Destiny 2: MORE Stasis Nerfs & A Small Crucible Rant - Season of the Splicer

[@unshiftedcobra7439]

Every time Datto does a crucible rant he’s always playing on Cauldron lmao

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

Holy shit you're right

[@coogi-craza226]

The Cauldron of crucible rants

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

Cauldron brings out the worse in crucible imo

[@clayaddison949]

Fitting lmao

[@buen0_]

@@epicgamerzfail4575 I believe anomaly does

[@TheAlphaZulu]

"Once I was able to turn the vibrant rainbow of purity and joy in my heart into a blackhole of despair and grenade launchers sometimes, I enjoyed the first 3 minutes of a crucible match. WELL GOOD FOR YOU!!" is the best damn line in this video

[@tomsheehy4142]

Got pulp fiction vibes ngl

[@lesser1086]

the fact that he nailed it perfectly is sad, I have never enjoyed crucible cause it is just people using the stupidest tactics ever, AND THEY STILL GET AWAY WITH IT

[@Forcer69]

I’m glad they’re addressing crucible, maybe in 4 years we’ll get a Gambit update

[@Murftree74]

I would take an over on that bet

[@ZayOsirisGaming]

Gambit needs its own set of armor mods, maps, & a unique chase to make it viable to spend your time in it. I love ornaments & shaders as much as the next guy, but there’s a lot of room for improvement..!

[@Mushnp]

Hopefully they update it out of the game.

[@PyraJord]

Gambit has the potential to be as competitive as Trials if treated properly

[@thrilla72]

I think Gambit is no longer a Bungie priority.

[@playdead1255]

Just to show how stupid shotguns are, the background footage is literally Datto running around with a shotgun the entire game.

[@BIGDDrome]

It ruins pvp, you can't use anything else if they decide to just use shotguns.

[@Gee-bg2rv]

@@BIGDDrome if you’re rocking double primaries yup. If you know how to use fusions/snipers/GL’s it’s easy to slap shotty users that just rush you

[@thegodhimself5554]

@@Gee-bg2rv lmao are you shitting me. You must be playing against ass shotgunners if you can actually snipe them and beat them with double primarys lol

[@natefroggy3626]

@@thegodhimself5554 just back away from shotgun lol

[@willdill7253]

people who main their shotguns get ran by any decent player plain and simple

[@benbutz4900]

“Reduced the tracking and the tracking and lessened the tracking vs players” Datto: What

[@tristansfun]

Please read Ben's edit of what Datto said OUT LOUD. I died when I did!

[@Bone-Owner]

This shall be known as the IceBreaker

[@Davey-lm1qq]

Damn, I miss that gun

[@s3m4jno5w4d]

Let's fucking hope so

[@oh033]

That’s where it was all these days... killing stasis

[@Cryhai]

Datto using Jez’s term “little dinkers” for Withering Blade makes me happy 4:45

[@MIDA-Multi-Tool]

"black hole of despair and grenade launchers" got me laughing my ass off

[@carts.g]

You don't have an ass, you're a gun!

[@ErioTouwaBestGirl]

@@carts.g I wouldn't have even noticed until you said something. lol

[@josiahallen9906]

You're my favourite gun

[@Red_Star_robin]

Laughing his... buttplate off eh eh?

[@GH-fi9fg]

On the down side less stasis means less insanely furious dark rants about stasis which have been a soothing balm to the otherwise painful and persistent chaffing that is stasis in pvp

[@distorted4378]

lmao

[@MaxStraesser]

Now more crucible maps, but this is a good first start.

[@evancarlson3789]

Not*

[@MaxStraesser]

@@evancarlson3789 nah bru I meant now as in "now please give us more crucible maps"

[@chriszalitach2462]

At this point I genuinely believe that crucible may not get any maps going forward. The radio silence has been going on for so long that I’m pretty sure Bungie is kind of waiting for people to just give up with pushing for new pvp content. It’s gonna take a a lot more than just complaining on YT to change it. This is just like vanilla D2 and the following two DLC. Why was Forsaken so good? Because the player base plummeted by 75% and their profit margins were horrific compared to projections. Losing money is how this changes.

[@ready1player31]

I'd rather have balanced gameplay before I get new maps. If we just get new maps the same old bullshit is here

[@lukestorms3733]

@@ready1player31 I think that giving us more varied maps will go hand in hand with weapon balancing. Cuz if you have larger maps with longer range of sight its a bit harder to ape with felwinter's

[@MTashed]

YES KING RANT

[@willdill7253]

RANT HE SHALL

[@Alexis0903]

The tash man 😈😈

[@dakisasunbreaker3353]

I read that as Rat King.

[@nicholaslowe2401]

I thought you quit destiny?

[@tcsess]

Come back to destiny:(

[@FrostReach66]

Stasis: “No no, please don’t do this sir, no more nerfs” Bungie with their felwinter, double shotgun scavenger, and removed triangle button: “It’s time”

[@blackjackell8939]

Deadass "removed triangle button"😂😂😂😂

[@SealFormulaMaster]

Don't forget Dead Man's Tale.

[@FrostReach66]

@@SealFormulaMaster or breach load grenade launchers, which even datto said is infuriating (which it is)

[@DeePal072]

We're going back to the reign of Arc Shoulder Charge 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@patsonical]

@@FrostReach66 At least GLs only one-hit-kill on a direct hit, and missing is punishing because you only have one in the mag (fusion rifles have the same thing since you need to fully charge again if you miss), while shotguns can shoot again instantly. They are just waaay too forgiving.

[@juliootero1510]

Community: "Yeiii Stasis is finally nerfed and in an even ground with light classes" New Corruption/Poison subclass: Hello There fellow Guardians

[@arrowsmith000]

"Even ground" is strong wording. Stasis isnt even worth using anymore on any class tbh. Outclassed by something else each class has

[@Dubtoy94]

Oh god your so right and we have to pay for it lol and we are gonna

[@SeeIn2D]

@@arrowsmith000 I'm not sure this is necessarily true, but even if it is, GOOOOOOOOOOOOD

[@wood5596]

Stasis will still be top tier. 1.35 seconds is still long enough for a quick kill, you just have to capitalize on it more. Not to mention the bunch of stat boosts fragments give. Slows still suppress jumps and makes it easier to win fights since they have increased flinch.

[@throg4657]

@@arrowsmith000 good.

[@limbo_darkness]

I'm hoping light subclasses getting improvements means Nova Warp finally gets the love it deserves.

[@CommandantLuna]

100% this. I hated initial launch nova warp as much as the next person, but it didn’t deserve to get murdered the way it did😓

[@swordmaster009]

@@CommandantLuna Yea, but the reason why it got nerfed is because everyone complained about that too.

[@KeenScout.]

Would rather not see handheld brainlessnova everywhere again

[@rev-bx6pk]

I doubt it bungie hates warlocks dont believe me it took 9 days for them to nerf shadebinder warlocks right after it came out.

[@wood5596]

To be fair shadebinder was like twice as broken as revenant and behemoth on release. Revenant and behemoth were still broken of course but release shadebinder was a monster

[@PokeCraftHD3]

“Light subclasses don’t need to be any stronger” *Sad Nova Warp Noises*

[@helix7398]

I wish they rework Blink to be an Air ability just like Icarus Dash with high 5 or 10s cd for the Void Subclass. That will help them from getting sht on by stasis's slow while having a fun neutral game.

[@PokeCraftHD3]

@@helix7398 i want D1 pre-nerf Blink it wouldn’t be broken in todays sandbox imo

[@MachinimaaminihcaM]

@@helix7398 blinks fine, its really good with the helmet. If anything we should complain about how terrible Nova Bomb is

[@catinusz.4741]

@@helix7398 that will be stupidly strong lol. Blink is the jump that can get you from cover to cover the easiest and safest. Bungie just need to fix the god damn blink head that the weapon ready speed is not working since season of the fucking opulence

[@ianwalker2205]

Cries in Stormcaller and Voidwalker

[@AdzPower]

The fact they moved this patch tells me one thing - stasis was starting to cause player drop-off at a time in the new season where crucible play is usually the highest, and they panicked and bought this patch forward.

[@trendkill3333]

They’d be right about that, I was one of the people that stopped playing a lot of crucible this season. I play it for pinnacles then don’t bother because stasis makes me want to off myself with a rusty razor blade

[@robertpalmer8080]

I cannot wait to see people blaming other players for "whining" about stasis for the nerfs rather than realising that they in fact are more likely the cause of the nerfs since Bungie make these decisions based on usage as well as player feedback.

[@ericx6969]

@@trendkill3333 get good

[@ericx6969]

@@robertpalmer8080 did you even read what you wrote lol

[@trendkill3333]

@@ericx6969 I’m not just saying this but I am pretty decent. Stasis has no place in PvP, if you disagree then you clearly use it as a crutch and can’t play without it

[@pcrassen4975]

"Hunters just flicking their dinkers" somewhere in Australia, Jez just smiled from pride.

[@MuuToo]

The “abilities are getting out of hand and we want to bring more focus to guns” part of the twab makes me jokingly think that in a few years we’re gonna be back to D2Y1 for PvP in a few years.

[@Egosquid]

i would love that because it would actually take skill to do well

[@MogFlintlock]

@@Egosquid While I wasn't around for it, wasn't the problem with D2Y1 that, if you grouped up as a team, the only way to counter you was to ALSO group up as a team?

[@phanta_rei2910]

@@Egosquid then you would have people patrolling lines of sight with their MIDAs lol

[@The5lacker]

@@MogFlintlock That would be what "focusing on gunplay" will encourage, yes.

[@Marcus-cq2nv]

@@MogFlintlock it was only like that because we weren’t allowed to run specials

[@Messatsu01]

I swear, 80% of the time I get into a fight is with a shotgun ape. I'm in scout rifle distance and I see them beelining from 50 meters away. Sure they still die everytime because they're dumb, but it's obnoxious that just about all assaults are by people with a white light on their rifle. It makes pvp so one note even before stasis was implemented.

[@togashi3892]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I find the shotgun apes more annoying than stasis.

[@marklo6283]

If you getting ur ass whooped in pvp might wanna stop using a Jade Rabbit and pull out a 120, stop whining

[@Messatsu01]

@@marklo6283 learn to read. I never said I keep losing to them. I stated that it's a monotonous playstyle in every match. Destiny has so much diversity and yet pvp is just shotgun central. 100s of ways to express a guardians fighting style and yet it's so stagnant.

[@yhelloh]

@@marklo6283 did you even read it? He still kills them... most good players will, but in order to play against apes you have to play passive.

[@BPRFilmz]

@Mark Lo do you not see the problem with your comment? As a scout main, I use scouts because I enjoy them. Scouts and sometimes pulse rifles are my thing. Sure, certain maps can favor specific weapon types, such as long range maps and close quarter maps, that's just diversity in map design. The issue is when one weapon type is considered dominant in general. A "just use a 120 (or insert weapon type)" mindset speaks of a large problem, unless you're referring to specific maps. In a perfect world (yeah right), each weapon would have their fair share of moments and situations to shine in.

[@115zombies935]

As a PVE player the change to hedrons makes me sad. PVP changes always end up hurting PVE in someway.

[@thitpoulsen352]

i got the impression they were keeping how it works in PvE and changes affect PvP only. i may be wrong tho. Stasis is really fun for PvE currently it just sucks dick in Crucible.

[@asaabed4200]

@@thitpoulsen352 I hope you’re right. I’d be inclined to agree, simply because I think they said at the beginning that all of these were intended to affect pvp only, but didn’t mention that for every single change because of how many there were

[@robynna_]

Honestly I hope so cause, I just got back into destiny 2 and been really enjoying stasis in pve

[@nadadjean-julien5755]

@UCa6ElQ-FTtiY1S0osehsO3A you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree

[@noahhoan]

They are keeping stasis the way it is in pve I think

[@liquidrufus]

"No YOU'RE BITTER!" Jeez Datto don't attack me like that.

[@ryoukobe]

I can’t wrap my head around people saying stasis is good for the game because it lets them kill better players. It took 2 seasons for them to make any significant nerfs despite the majority of the community complaining the entire time. Honestly I’m just glad to finally see them

[@Zyres7]

"because it lets them kill better players." this is them literally saying they needed a crutch to kill better players.

[@DonZillaDaGod]

@@Zyres7 or them wanting skill based matchmaking back

[@rageknight2340]

They were going to nerf Stasis sooner or later, but the “Beyond light sales” were not quite there yet. I figure, now they have made enough money, and Witch queen is right around the corner. Nerfing stasis make sense for them. It’s all about the money. Datto is right tho. Playing PVP is painful af. They took QuickDraw from Astral and Felswinter and gave us Found verdict and Riiswalker instead lol. That’s how Bungie operates. But you wanna see them fix some quick. Remember that GM nightfall when Pally adept first dropped and people where kill that dude from top of the arena. How long did it took them to fix that lol.

[@thegodhimself5554]

Because it kills better players? If they were better, they wouldn't have been frozen in the first place. Stasis should be the default shotgun ape killer, but somehow your more skilled for not being able to jump over a coldsnap.

[@3ternity_412]

@@thegodhimself5554 🧢

[@lionheartzcs2]

I think the perfect middle ground for abilities is build-centric. No one complains about Ashen Wake titans building OHKO fusion spam builds. Because 1, it's hard and inconsistent to get rolling, 2 relies on an underpowered subclass in middle tree hammers and 3 isn't a constant always active build, you have to take the time to position and work the lobby to get your burning flames stacks and then you get the payout of fireball spamming all the goomba hunters in your path. If ability usage was more like this then things would be better, wanna spam an ability tie it to a playstyle and an exotic and make unique but not unfun to play against.

[@Xerlocke]

The simple thumbnails are just perfect

[@Feetism]

Datto progressively getting more and more insane in his rant was beautiful EDIT... Well fuck ne sideways this is the most likes ive had on a comment

[@iihavetoes]

Insane? He was speaking fax

[@BigRoss-cc2jh]

I want his rent as a quote

[@weiistone]

he's evolving from datto-chan who use to be so cute and bubbly in D1 into datto-kun that is just ornery and angry and jaded. its beautiful. i can't wait to see his final transformation.

[@Farengast]

I think Spicy Datto might be the real Datto.

[@caribbeanwarlock]

Thank you for your work on this game.

[@hutchservesgaming]

I hope you feel better getting all of this off your chest Datto. Love the Datto Rants

[@Fraserhansen]

The player base has really been consumed by the darkness, was this bungee trying to see how far we would go?

[@SeeIn2D]

Shayura is one of my favorite lore characters even though we know next to nothing about her, purely because her entire deal, is straight up perma-killing guardians who she catches using stasis.

[@jacobkern2060]

@@SeeIn2D She was already unstable before she was "betrayed" by her friend, since she hallucinated that an enemy Guardian was a Knight and her friends were Thrall. Now she's just completely lost it. Even Aunor's more reasonable than her, since Aunor at least recognizes that there are those who aren't corrupted by the Darkness. Shayura will kill anyone, even if they're not a threat. This includes you.

[@dakotakillett3606]

You speak my mind so well with the abilities and special weapons issue. I’m glad you are the only content creator that expresses there frustration rather than just letting it pass by like nothing is wrong and abusing the meta. I’ve thanked you 5 years ago I’m thanking you now. Great job

[@redjetson317]

you really love to see this, although I would also love to see a new crucible map that would be the cherry on top of this season

[@khalilfarah901]

New maps what’s that

[@redjetson317]

@@khalilfarah901 honestly no clue

[@babytricep437]

Won’t happen. They don’t give a shit

[@MapleYum]

Grenade Launchers: “I don’t know that stasis guy. Never met him. Gotta bounce. Bye!”

[@matthodges7225]

Super glad to see this level of change brought in. I still think stasis will be strong and freezes will still be oppressive, but this is definitely a good move.

[@addder7385]

I think being put in 3rd person when frozen is the worst thing because when you thaw you gotta basically readjust your whole self.

[@wood5596]

@@addder7385 Isnt being in 3rd person an advantage

[@blakeerenhouse943]

@@wood5596 it is when your using it to peek around corners, but that involves having control

[@addder7385]

@@wood5596 It is, but if the change is forced and then you're brought back it feels pretty jarring imo

[@Sobergamer61]

“A collective shriek is heard from all the stasis/felwinters crutch noobs who bet it all on that load out” You are all about to be exposed.

[@sneaklone_]

bungie is gearing up to reveal WQ, gotta advertise the new darkness subclass

[@Gerkion1994]

Prepare for poison status effects that last 15 seconds and do 50 ticks of damage

[@eggplant8214]

@@Gerkion1994 it’s gonna be stasis v2, v3 and so on every time they add a darkness subclass lol. Assuming the next one is poison, I can guarantee that it will ruin crucible even more than stasis did, though if bungie learned anything from stasis then it most likely won’t be an issue

[@Crimson365]

Hahahaah yeah, right, and like they'll probably add some stupid fucking ability that literally freezes you in place!!? Nah they'd never do that. That'd be INSANE.

[@Gee-bg2rv]

@@eggplant8214 I highly doubt it . Poison and taking DoT isn’t as broken as stasis & ice because stasis literally took away your opponents ability to fight back or defend themselves . With poison and DoT you’re not gonna take away your opponents ability to defend themselves or to fight back. It’ll probably be top tier but definitely not as broken as stasis & freezing players stopping them from doing a thing to you giving you a free kill.

[@yhelloh]

It’s going to be the thorn of d2. Except you don’t have to aim.

[@ekajjah2288]

"Pre-Beyond Light things felt pretty good." *Screams in Arcstrider*

[@XaKeR167]

Yeah, it's time to nerf stasis, because new subclasses is coming with witch queen that need to be OP xD

[@Sn0w037]

LOL

[@mcswisscheese3031]

i doubt itll be as broken as stasis since stasis is a freezing subclass. wq is probably gonna be dot or blinding which is easier to balance than freezing

[@noahhoan]

Hopefully it wont be as broken

[@michaelcunningham2111]

@@mcswisscheese3031 my guess it'll be some type of poison class. Since eruopa was tied to ice. Savathun might tie to hive magic and we'll probably get pointers from eris to use it against savathun

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@mcswisscheese3031 It'll be just as braindead to get kills with though, which is less frustrating than taking away control from a player but just as broken.

[@ultimate3885]

That Hedrons nerf is really gonna hurt in PvE

[@ShirleyTimple]

Already removed it in favor of something actually useful. No point using a dead perk walking, might as well find a replacement

[@caj1264]

this is the part of every nerf pass that always sucks ass. bungie refusing to separate the sandboxes 7 years in is depressing.

[@Retro--]

@@caj1264 the thing is, the merging of the 2 is what makes destiny destiny, ever since d1 you could seemingly transition between a strike to a crucible match without having to swap too much in your load out, if a gun in pve, however, started to function differently than it does in pvp, there becomes a disconnect and the player that uses x gun will now feel obligated to use y gun in pvp, this is the dilemma bungie faces and why they don't separate the sandboxes

[@ivory867]

@@Retro-- I’d rather have than then constantly having my stuff nerfed especially if I paid for said thing

[@ryankendall3716]

Really enjoying the constant stream of videos, glad to see you’ve found your rhythm with content creation again.

[@blank4142]

I stand by this so hard Datto. The fucking special weapons in this game piss me off so much. And when it's not felwinters one-shoting me from 20 meters out, or getting spawn killed by grenade launchers, it's the two-tapping hand cannons. These really need fixing.

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

Will these nerf affect stasis in PVE, that would suck a little if it did?

[@UphillHook]

They said just pvp changes

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

@@UphillHook ok good to hear

[@morganr9825]

Some of them are universal (like with the Coldsnap Grenade), but the vast majority are nerfs to interactions with other Guardians, which are PvP-specific.

[@coffeeguygaming]

"No, YOU'RE BITTER" I felt that in my soul. Sincerely, A person who despises little dinkers

[@snarferyasmr3739]

Haha he hit it dead on the head. People whining cause without stasis they'll suddenly suck at PvP

[@wood5596]

Bro i just wanna use revenant without feeling so dirty. Hopefully this makes withering blade a bit more skill based now.

[@snarferyasmr3739]

Man, as a year one D1 lifer that rant was beautiful. Too many people in the crucible just looking to win who don't care about balance or the health of the game.

[@nathanschmit5841]

Just adapt kid, this isnt the same game so stop pretending it is

[@snarferyasmr3739]

@@nathanschmit5841 no thanks! 🖑 *waves goodbye to stasis and stasis players*

[@nathanschmit5841]

@@snarferyasmr3739 no stasis is amazing and it shouldn't have been nerfed. Shurikens required perfect precision and knowing where the enemy was to just do 60 damage and if you can't recover from 60 damage you are bad. Coldsnap grenades can only be thrown when you are safe or they will just shoot you with their stupid fusion rifles and stuff

[@snarferyasmr3739]

@@nathanschmit5841 shurikens required what now? The bouncing heat seeking shurikens? Those shurikens? In the words of Datto "No, you're bitter."

[@graysonkenna1464]

@@nathanschmit5841 SHURIKENS REQUIRED SKILL MY ASS. Those fuckers tracked harder than a predator missiles, there was no goddamn skill required.

[@evilmorty4052]

Imagine messing up so bad at the introduction of a new subclass that not a single one had small changes done, they all got hammered

[@Zenlore6499]

1:38 that was a nice rocket, for two different reasons.

[@mutantraze3681]

“36% of trials players use Revenant Hunter” And I guarantee that that percent along with another 30% are using aggressive frame shotguns with opening shot. But we nerfed quickdraw so yayyy....

[@Astro-hd8iy]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 80% of that population using an AF shotgun. Crucible is fucked.

[@laggers54]

I love how they say warlock is 9th best super like I should be impressed by that.

[@perceusshadowmantle9538]

It’s top 10!

[@bestgun9994]

That's in the top 33% it is one of the best

[@ronin9380]

Wow...Datto REALLY hates Withering blade because of the auto aim after bounce! Unlike those high skill Warlock and Titan melees that require pinpoint accuracy (btw Warlocks have those high skill aiming requirements on every class..you know..shotgun someone to low health then take 2 or 3 seconds to aim your Warlock melee THEN get the kill. Don't get me started on the High Skill requirements of Titan melees).

[@komierror5129]

Datto: "I don't have any footage of me using stasis in the crucible cause it makes me feel gross" Also datto: Has footage using felwinters lie and dead man's tale the entire time

[@theREALp1kles]

Datto: "Grenade launchers take no skill" Also Datto: Using the literal meta and slapping with it.

[@e8zsy832]

as a revenant hunter the only thing im really sad got nerfed is the weapon damage buff from freezing. hunters dont have a way to boost weapon damage anymore, so no more eriana's vow 1 taps for me :(

[@zorusk517]

Charged with light would still work for you

[@e8zsy832]

@@zorusk517 charged with light is much harder to proc than freezing, i would know i just spent 3 hours trying to find a viable alternative lmao

[@parcelofstardust3382]

Datto: Angry about GLs Me, a Fighting lion main: Sad

[@frootsaladd975]

Hedron nerf made it kind of useless for PVE, unless the recovery is actually a heal instead.

[@ShirleyTimple]

The fact that they replaced a single damage buff with 10 other buffs tells you all you need to know. If hedron gave you a +10 to damage, you can bet that +10 is being evenly divided between the consolation perks. Hedrons is dead, switch to the kinetic weapon buff if you want damage

[@viepoulelubin7619]

Datto this is easily one of your best vids ever. I feel exactly the same way. The comedy you provided while being totally serious was fantastic

[@unknown123455]

Fair points all around. I try not not to use Stasis in Crucible because it's unfairness is palpable. Plus I'm still working through the Light Ability triumphs. Makes me think that the only way the next two subclasses they introduce in Witch Queen and Lightfall will work is if they are just re-skinned versions of Arc and Void. If Stasis is cold to Solar's heat, what's the opposite of lightning and space magic? Fast Poison and time manipulation? So Venom and Temporal!

[@Blazemaster306]

Do we know if the stasis nerfs will affect pve as well? The wording seemed much more vague then last time

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

Most only affect PvP i.e. how stasis interacts against guardians (so its a nerf against the PvE stasis enemies too not like they mattered tho) But some abilities are nerfed universally like whisper of hedrons. To tell the difference look for "against players" in the patch notes and if it doesnt say that its universal

[@wood5596]

It mentions "Against players", so most of them are PVP only. But some stuff is nerfed overall like howl of the storm or hedrons.

[@XxSigmusxX]

@@wood5596 that's been said before in a similar fashion, yet the nerfs came over to pve. honestly, bungo shouldn't nerf *anything* if they don't actually playtest it instead of "looking at data".

[@ShirleyTimple]

Most won't but some will. For instance, whisper of hedrons was changed entirely, removing the damage buff and giving us a bunch of nonsense instead

[@Stoney_17]

“I don’t want abilities to be affected in PvE with changes.” Stasis changes for Behemoth doing literally all of that. If they’ll do that to the new toy they want everyone to play with, imagine what they’ll do to the stuff we’ve had for years.

[@trevorromein14]

ok this IS the right step to take Bungie, now we need to see special weapon tuning, more Crucible maps and a rework for light based subclasses, not in the sense of "more powerful" but rather "more customizable". Like look at Stasis; we can choose Any Aspect and Fragment setup we want to try, but the Light classes pigeonhole you into one set each with little customization. You have light "Aspects and Fragments", Free them up!

[@MilkChugger369]

Completely agreed, I believe we need more open or bigger maps. Kinda like the maps back in vanilla d1 with vehicles. It would make shotguns less viable and give the low performing scouts a reason to be used in a sense

[@foist101]

I know the idea was to keep the game the same in PVE and PVP for consistency but it's not healthy for the game anymore, especially if we are going to keep getting more crowd control and powerful abilities for PVE content.

[@kirbix1]

special ammo unironically needs to get hit with the d1 treatment, special ammo dropping off every body for free is garbage and creates this special weapon = primary feedback loop

[@wood5596]

They mostly have to nerf scavenger perks in PVP, just make them not work there. Then we can move on to other potential changes for special ammo

[@11ducksinatrenchcoat76]

D1 struggled with special ammo, especially near the end of its lifespan. I think nerfing scavengers would be better.

[@bloodledge]

Isn't it only if someone has a special weapon equipped they drop the ammo? As in if someone rocks two primaries if they die no one gets special?

[@sehyunjun251]

@@bloodledge Yeah, but pretty much everyone runs primary + special in crucible. So it's pretty much special drop on every corpse.

[@trendkill3333]

I think a big thing would to change it so only when you kill someone they drop ammo for you. It stupid how someone on my team killing the enemy also drops ammo for me.

[@danielforslin]

Datto, I stopped watching your videos for the longest time, for exactly the reasons you highlighted in your “heart to heart with myself post” since then, I’ve started tuning in again, and I gotta say, you’re killing it. Thank you, good job self reflecting and being honest with yourself, and implementing feedback. Keep it up!

[@33Isaiah96]

Felwinters has pissed me off way more then stasis has ever have.

[@trendkill3333]

You’re tripping, I’d rather have Felwinters in the game than get frozen every 10 seconds and killed by a rogue whithering blade that some numb nut just mindlessly threw across the map

[@coolginger9660]

Datto, how do you feel about light subclasses getting stat bonuses? One of the things I have fun with, is making stat builds that are super optimal or really high (triple hundred stats). I would love to see light subclasses get bonuses, like each class having a natural +10 bonus on their class ability related stat.

[@SunSun-sk4si]

Datto: _rants about GL spam_ Me, a Fighting Lion main: 👀

[@MrSpencer222]

Datto cries about everything. Literally everything except what he uses

[@thealldayspecial]

I mean GLs aren't even that big of a general issue considering just how much movement and speed based played exists in PVP, you also gotta aim and have some skill at cradling and banking shots for the ricochet detonations. Yeah sure you can see some 2 minute clip of some guy going nuts in a bot lobby just slideshot reloading, spamming ignition code but if you're whiffing or not really using your head with it, you're not at some infinitely stronger advantage because of the grenade launcher. There's more skill involved. Idk what lobbies Datto keeps getting dragged into to have such disdain for GLs but I feel like Mt Top getting toned down and sunset was probably one of the better steps in the right direction.

[@Lylybeebee]

Honestly, Stasis was doomed to be this way the moment it was designed to be cc themed. No one likes movement restrictions in this kind of way, so it was going to be either too powerful or too inconsistent to be useful, and just annoying

[@Blindluck92]

"And then afterwards they'll be taking a look at the Light subclasses." ...Well so long Way of the Warrior, it was fun while it lasted.

[@3ternity_412]

No, I swear arcstrider needs zero nerfs it can't even compete at it's own job.

[@Blindluck92]

@@3ternity_412 Okay, so there's this thing called PvE. While absolutely nothing in it has as low a TTK as anything in PvP (hell, even wipe mechanics aren't remotely close to 067 seconds short because they want it to feel like post-mortem taunting), it does have significantly *more* things that are actively trying to you. All the time. So having a class that lets me just melee kill for lifesteal, backflip for a melee, rinse and repeat ad nauseum, especially while wearing an exotic that gives health *and invis* on a melee kill, is extremely useful. "But this build is useless in PvP" I can already hear you saying. Yes. Yes it is. And you know what? That's perfectly fine by me because, at the risk of sounding blasphemous, I don't *like* PvP. At all. I actively avoid it save for when an Exotic Catalyst or some other quest that has copious amounts of dialogue, which I enjoy, force me into PvP. So,yeah, if something I enjoy gets taken away because people are unhappy about the overall ineffectiveness of simply shooting other players compared to nuking them or freezing them, or both, then yeah, I feel a bit upset.

[@wood5596]

@@Blindluck92 The thing is, Arcstrider is pretty garbage tier in PVE as well lol. It's super is a close range roaming super so in activities that are actually challenging ( GMs, Masters) It is basically a death sentence, as well as the super just not doing good damage at all and only good for ad clear. However, hunters have a MUCH better class for crowd control, named Revenant. Stasis does Arcstriders crowd control job WAY better, so you're not going to use it for mob clear either. Tether is also good at ad clear while having much more benefits. Like I said before, you are never going to use Arcstrider for DPS either since it has pretty bad damage, you are going to use Gunslinger for DPS. (Other than the liars handshake combo, which imo is the only reason you would ever use arcstrider in PVE, but it requires you to be extremely close range so not really worth in harder activities). You mentioned Assassins cowl but you can use Assassins cowl with any subclass. It is particularly good on Revenant because Revenant has 2 ranged melee charges, but honestly if you want survivability while being invisible, you would go omnioculus nightstalker. All in all you are not going to see an arcstrider nerf at all, because it is EASILY the worst hunter subclass at the moment, for PVE especially lol. It can be fun but it is nowhere near good, and only good for playing around in strikes or patrol, where everything is good. This class needs all the help it can get.

[@3ternity_412]

@@Blindluck92 I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that it's outclassed. I run middle tree arcstrider and raiden flux. I have been playing arc hunter since D2 beta. Not only did they take away it's air attack, but they also took away it's build and duration. It's super doesn't get the justice that it deserves. I hope you can agree on that.

[@Blindluck92]

@@3ternity_412 Oh absolutely, I can respect that.. if it got nerfed any further on any tree, it may as well be a Bladedancer: Completely nonexistent in D2 altogether.

[@kantanna435]

I personally would enjoy if we got the same build your own tree treatment for the light classes. Like I wanna use the middle tree knives on solar hunter with bottom tree gunslinger.

[@crimsonarrow1884]

As long as you can freeze someone & totally take their agency away by clicking a button; stasis is going to be frustrating :(. The patch note on shaderbinder put it well, it's demoralizing to die to. While they're there, can we tame supers in crucible or at least give us skirmish back so we can play a decent 3v3 mode? Trials is so far removed from the D1 TTK-era experience. A plethora of team-wipe supers allows players to just play high intellect and slow the pace of the game to a crawl, then press one button and negate actually taking gunfights. Ability design means you can play lanes & peek through barriers or into angles with OS's & passive healing. Playing apex arenas is super revealing because it doesn't snowball like destiny does. You can lose the first 2 rounds and still come back. In destiny, you're now down on super & special ammo, reversing it is so tough. If they're playing high intellect, your opponents can have 6 opportunities to secure rounds with supers. This is coming from a 1% player who has little trouble going flawless & can meme around in 6s. I cannot imagine how soul sucking d2 pvp must feel like for regular players. It's such a shame.

[@galaktikpotato9318]

See see, this is what trials of the nine solved. If you didn't play the objective, you lost. This made matches way faster and harder, and with no specials it was the perfect end game pvp mode destiny has ever had. If only people didn't conplain with their nostalgia goggles on we might be having a better time right now.

[@Hoss47]

honestly just want light subclasses to have the same format as stasis so I can get the stat bonuses

[@johng479]

Wait, these are all pvp nerfs, right? I’m going to lose my shit if the hedrons nerf is for pve too.

[@ShirleyTimple]

It certainly is. Hedrons was changed entirely to give a bunch of useless shit nobody wants rather than the single damage buff we selected it for

[@Ai-Ai-O]

Yeah this and the slide getting impacted both in PvE? Wtf

[@johng479]

@@ShirleyTimple omfg I hate Bungie. Now my entire stasis pve build falls apart. Well, not entirely, but I can’t look at it as the same again. Way to go bungo.

[@GeorgeDaDragon]

I feel called out about the GL, but I've been maining a GL for ages, i like smart bounce shots because they are satisfying, then again I've been focusing on improving my sniper game recently.

[@killerdonut1194]

I haven’t played Destiny in almost a year and a half but I still watch Datto’s videos just to witness his slow descent into madness

[@invertedpolarity6890]

Stasis wouldn't need the mega nerfs if they would update the other supers and abilities to compete and/or counter stasis.

[@bonefat21]

“A black hole of despair and grenade launchers”

[@streetshredder5]

This is the Datto I subscribed for all those years ago. Good to see you having fun with your videos again

[@helmsruss]

I am slightly worried. The hedron fragment board change based on PvP without insight on how it affects PvE kinda worries me for future changes. There's a lot of changes with things solely for PvP while leaving the PvE part intact but then here comes hedrons just nopes everything to solve one problem and possibly creates a new problem for other side (PvE).

[@MaestroEspada]

Except there's no real problems with PvE unless we're talking some sort of a bug/glitch that let you Super spam and even then that literally and most likely it's not that much game breaking to a point it makes PvE unplayabe, specially since we already were the strongest could ever be even before Stasis got released

[@jacobsmith6254]

The shotgun part of the rant really got me, came across a hunter today with over 5k kills on his felwinter's lie but only 7 kills on his primary.

[@everrest8830]

I feel like stasis is the equivalent of giving a light subclass user 5 exotic armor pieces. It's kind of crazy how much they get even after these nerfs, hopefully more to come.

[@ShirleyTimple]

You're a scrub lol

[@alliedmussel1011]

I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the light classes get buffed. Bottom tree tether has one of my favorite neutral kits but the super is SO bad that it feels like you’re putting yourself at an insane disadvantage for just a small amount of utility via invis smoke bombs. Also even with these nerfs revenant hunters are still gonna be insane. Like bakris alone could hold up that subclass as viable due to just how insane that helm is imo. Like it just lets you get out of situations you have no business getting out of, let’s you run the reload dodge with no penalty, and the light shift buff leaves on death meaning if you waste your shift you don’t really lose anything. You just wait the standard like 12-14 seconds to get it back.

[@robertpalmer8080]

Exactly. Thank God someone else understands that dying is the simplest trade-off for this exotic. How often do you die in 6v6? If you're not dying often then there's no real drawback on the exotic, if you are...? Plus if you're running an arc primary its even more crazy since I believe the dodge gives an arc weapon boost too doesn't it? Plus as you said, it gets you in/out of situations you have no business being in.

[@alliedmussel1011]

@@robertpalmer8080 it actually doesn’t give you the increase to arc damage in PvP. Honestly I just can’t stand the fact it’s a resource that is 1: INCREDIBLY strong and 2: can’t really be wasted (kind of like how if you’re killed during chaos reach you still keep some super energy). I think if they wanted to “balance” it they could make it to where it just straight up gives you the increased timer for your class ability instead of you not being able to gain class ability energy while you have the light shift buff. Like if you had to wait like 30 seconds after shifting in a place that you somehow couldn’t get out of and died that would suck (and by that I mean it would be slightly more balanced)

[@Azrael-XIII]

Lol says there’s no stasis pvp cottage because it “makes me feel gross” while playing footage of him playing crucible using one of the most OP weapons...

[@motivated106]

I would rather be a shotgun ape than a shotgun ape using stasis

[@DarkRenegade95]

i wouldn't mind getting what is equivalent to shards on light subclasses tbh. maybe 1-2 per branch (esp for the branches not used much)

[@sandmanlive3790]

I'm so confused! All these nerfs, un-nerfs, re-nerfs, sunset, un-sunset, most likely re-sunset 😥... Soooooo, are we happy or mad about this?... At this point I'm not really sure what game I'm playing anymore. But... the shooting is the best in the business sooooo.... guess I'll take the ride.

[@SeeIn2D]

Everyone is happy about this except for the degenerate bottom feeding leeches who are gonna be sad that every single cooldown of theirs will no longer be a free kill.

[@jacobkern2060]

The only people who are disappointed are the parasites who use Stasis as a replacement for their lack of ability to win gunfights. The more crutches you have, the more it hurts to have to think about having them kicked out from under you.

[@benw5036]

Saying "The biggest thing to me with stasis is just the fact that it's so rewarding, with such little effort" with 10 minutes of Felwinter's gameplay footage running in the background is some 200-IQ tongue-in-cheek meta commentary

[@arbiter-]

Man I'm so tired of influencers like Mtashed and Gigz constantly complaining about shit in the game leading to inevitable changes that leave us feeling less powerful. It's like D2 year one all over again. They threaten like every month that they're done playing Destiny, but they sure as hell will do their best to ruin the game before they do the same thing over some other insignificant shit they die to. So tired of this.

[@lovekairos]

i don’t know man, the warlock shadebinder subclass feels really good, but the actual super in crucible is dogshit (imo) i can’t tell you how many times people just dodge the seekers. it’s easy to kill a shadebinder warlock in their super if you see them first. as for hunters, same thing. the silence and squall super feels very weak compared to before. if you don’t land your super directly on a target (which i guess it’s how it’s intended to be used) it doesn’t do anything

[@Thrillkilled]

It’s kind of amazing how tired you can tell datto is getting progressively

[@kiranlast4593]

I'd love for a return to something like D1's subclass options for the light, because it already seems like they're willing to let players do whatever build options for stasis, but it seems pretty set in stone that three trees is all we'll get in D2, especially after the forsaken middle trees were added.

[@MUSEandredpandas]

D2 PVP has been brain dead mode for the last few months 😞 I still refuse to use stasis in the crucible ☝️ I REFUSE. It’s just not fun anymore.

[@DavidJohnson-zu4or]

As a voidwalker I love how nova bomb is now but I wish the tracking was a little bit more consistent as in surprisingly commonly the smaller orbs dont do their tracking at all and hit the ground or just the point blank shots it it misses it doesnt track anything at all but also stupidly I shot it at 2 frozen enemies...it doesnt track frozen enemies

[@matthewhaselhorst1778]

“Maybe you actually have to aim when you throw them now instead of the game doing it for you!!!” Cough cough warlock melees cough cough.

[@matthewhaselhorst1778]

Also Titan shield super is literally the definition of let the game play for you. Throw a shield across the map and it will likely rebound directly at an enemy

[@guygiy909]

Lol this is completely not true. No melee in the game tracks like withering. The next closest is celestial fire but it doesn’t bounce off walls, travel in a straight line infinitely and isn’t as fast

[@midward.tentacles]

wait so is whisper of hedrons not going to apply a damage buff after freezing in PVE too?? that’s a main part of one of my pve builds :(

[@ShirleyTimple]

Correction: it WAS a main part of your build

[@midward.tentacles]

@@ShirleyTimple feelsbadman

[@Kurai_ez]

I feel arcstider is so under powered for most part anyone else feel that way

[@terryrobinson4484]

Kind of. It needs more health and speed

[@MegaBeanHead0]

I feel like the light abilities are fine, but we need more options to pick from, like stasis. I want the ability to pick and choose what i want, and the main reason i use stasis, is the stat increases for recovery, intellect etc.

[@kruntyart4291]

that gets a thumbs up from me datto.Stasis is pvp on training wheels.

[@BrettnButtah]

They need to add back the system in D1 where there were special ammo boxes scattered around the map on a cooldown similar to heavy ammo.

[@traviswilliams2348]

This stasis nerf is big enough that I will actually bring stasis into the crucible for the first time ever. That's how huge this is.

[@Ai-Ai-O]

*"I definitely don't mind seeing ability usage come down a little bit. I want crucible to get back to guns."* But please not like Destiny 2 vanilla days.

[@FoxGT34]

Light subclasses were an issue before beyond light, there’s countless threads complaining as always.

[@thedarkdojo5115]

Not as much as an issue as Stasis, I mean, the Crutch Subclass... What do they even have to complain about?

[@hallowjupiter6305]

Waiting for the "Non-super stasis abilities no longer freeze players, only slow" that would be the best stasis nerf

[@terryrobinson4484]

Yeah and it would take away the supers primary purpose

[@hallowjupiter6305]

@@terryrobinson4484 only in pvp. If it just slowed it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it was. Or make it so that the supers are the only thing that can freeze.

[@Death900600]

Abilities need to be equally as important as weapons, otherwise this is just another COD like shooter. The classes, abilities, etc are what makes this game more interesting.

[@YuriG03042]

no it's not. this game shines because of the shooting mechanics, the abilities are just icing on the cake to give outplay potential

[@averagefirstcurseenjoyer5684]

I hope they address special ammo economy some time soon. In its current state special weapons are used for the majority of kills which just shouldn’t be the case

[@blakeerenhouse943]

Imo, if you have less than 1 shot of special, nothing should drop on a kill and scavenger perks should be disabled. That would go along way in helping the special ammo problem

[@averagefirstcurseenjoyer5684]

@@blakeerenhouse943 special dropping how it currently does is fine and worked well in destiny 1. Scav mods need to be removed for sure. The biggest issue with it right now is that special weapons have a shorter TTK than primaries. People W keying with a shotgun to close this huge gap just shouldn’t happen. Primaries as a whole need faster TTK

[@Juiceair77]

Datto’s nerd rant was hilarious.

[@pkmn1558]

when they say they are going to look at light based subclasses i hope they mean the customization of them not the power of them, most are fine where they are at minus some outliers like nova warp or arc strider