Destiny 2 - THEY’RE TRAPPED! The Lost Voices Of The Witness and How To Defeat Them

The Final Shape has revealed a lot about the Witness and its species. Although we still have the raid and a mission, today we discuss some of the biggest mysteries. What the veiled statues are. The dissenting members that were forced to become the Witness and much more.
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[@EvazeOfficial]

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[@vgernyc]

IMO It wasn't The Witness that gave us Stasis but a Dissenter trapped in the Europan Pyramid.

[@levicarpenter5509]

We weren't given stasis

[@memecrider3585]

​@levicarpenter5509 yes we were? Did you play Beyond light?

[@bryan_hilo6263]

@@memecrider3585not excactly… we technically just took it.

[@lucaruxyz1075]

​@@bryan_hilo6263 it's not something you can give...it's something you take.

[@levicarpenter5509]

@@memecrider3585 yes I did, we took stasis, unless you are talking about bungie giving us stasis

[@DeusExAngelo]

The fact that there are several more statues within The Pale Heart than seen is very telling. It could well mean that as the Witness was enacting The Final Shape and corrupting The Traveler...alot of minds in it's collective were having second thoughts. Thus they were removed until The Final Shape was completed by those who still remained true believers. This might also explain why The Witness was so weak at the end of the campaign, and why the statues previously unable to commune now could. This could also explain why The Witness is so scared, because the number of the dissenters within are growing and growing. Meaning it's losing it's godhood.

[@c.d.mcclendon1264]

The accursed legion is coming apart at the seams... who would have thought self-doubt would be quite the poison for a self-proclaimed God?

[@hush6352]

ooh, that makes sense, and that also explains why the witness is saying "I" and not "we" how it used to.

[@adamherrick6077]

It’s seriously compelling stuff. I’ve always been very intrigued and behind the ideas of the witness. But this elevated it to a force of a villain.

[@markusjanz4226]

@@c.d.mcclendon1264 Man, that sounds so cool. Imagine it being voiced, now that would be awesome to hear

[@Jakepopper01]

After the development it got in this expansion, I think the witness is one of the coolest concepts for a character ever. The idea of a race of people merging themselves was already cool enough but to have dissenters that don’t exactly agree with the collective makes so much sense, and the design to match with all the faces, the voices, and hands of all the people is awesome. I was worried before release that the witness would be too flat for me to care about it as a character but now I love it. Also that thumbnail art is SICK.

[@ElToland]

Zavala kinda predicted how to defeat the Witness, I remember one of the entries of the Season of the Deep lorebooks, after Ahsa revealed the origins of the Witness. Zavala and Ikora were discussing about its true nature, and Zavala questioned if all the beings that merged to become the Witness did it because they really wanted and not because they were forced to, and if the Vanguard itself wasn't the same.

[@CrawfordPrime]

Spoilers: At the end of Salvation’s Edge, when the witness dies, and that final voice from it says “we… I, I don’t understand.” What if that voice was of the very precursor who conceived of the idea of merging together and thus was a driving force for the Witness

[@vexmyth0clast]

Bungie cooked so hard with this dlc. The campaign was incredible. That Witness art wallpaper worthy.

[@sakara75]

i see the statues as conduits for the Witness, which includes the Dissenters stuck within him. Outside of the Pale heart they had no way to speak to us. The witness uses the statues as a conduit to speak to people, even if those statues represent the dissenters, they have no power to fight back, until now.

[@blackbird13371]

When redoing the campaign in legendary difficulty i noticed something interesting. (SPOILER ALERT!!!) When we find Crow in that cave, he talks about hearing some whispers, whispers coming from the veiled statue. They were trying to warn/help us at first the opportunity. Funny how you only figure this "foreshadowing" when playing the campaign again..

[@greenwithevil6]

Also when Zavala is saying his "goodbye" you can make out that the statue is saying "help me"

[@Psion_Phoenix]

Could it be that the witness never gave us Stasis? Could it have been that these dissenters gave us stasis in order to fight the witness?

[@charmboy5241]

I predict the guardians need to use the sword for the raid or a sword where they have to destroy the statues with it in order to bring down his shield where he becomes vulnerable

[@marsmech]

Just like conan 2.

[@ashhodgson8561]

All the elements of the campaign will be in the raid. They do it every time to prepare people - So the balls which protect you from darkness, the shield, the sword, it'll all be in there. Probably Mara flipping reality to see what the taken see etc.

[@David-i7n2m]

I wonder if we will ever get a physical image of the Winnower (or the Travelers opposite)? The Gardner (the light) takes physical form in our universe as the Traveler. People always thought the veiled statues was the winnower, but we know now it’s always been a representation of the Witness’s species. Cloaked, no individual identities but all the same collective. It would be awesome if we get to see an actual light filled humanoid form the traveler reveals itself as apart from the sphere. Hope the same eventually happens with the darkness/winnower. 🤞

[@flyernight8807]

Yeee

[@qoni_swe]

The bird (eagle, falcon, idk) maybe is a represantive of the traveler. It’s not a human but close anough?

[@connorricketts1323]

i also hope we get to see the traveler or lights real form it's got to have one

[@gaiofattos2]

@@qoni_swe Like the story that Mara Sov tall us ? The one about the falcon and a storm.

[@forgottenvy]

I can 1v1 this guy (Clears throat) (....remembers memory of deleting destiny 2) EXPECTO PATRONUM 😊

[@kingk4882]

Wasn't there this old concept art from Bungie with an alien race leaked as the Veil? They looked similar to the veiled race that merged to the Witness. And on top they used the Veil as the source of darkness... So this species from that concept art eventually found its way into the game.

[@CosmeGamerXD07]

During the campaign I was thinking how to defeat the witness, first thing comes to my mind was "what if we make the voices fight each other" and kinda is what happens 😂

[@TrepidDestiny]

After years, we finally face our ultimate enemy. The mighty, the legion.... Oogie Boogie. We're going to rip at their seams, and the writhing mass will unravel.

[@HuskySansVergogne]

to me it doesn't make sense that the statues are not all somewhere in the same place, protected inside a fortified pyramid ship or something. If they are part of the Witness why would he just let them scattered across Sol and other systems for all to see, potentialy being destroyed and hurting him ?

[@Rodneygonazaled]

Why wouldn’t he he’s been an unbeatable force until us

[@colorknight736]

If only we knew this sooner… They are the weak minds that the witness doesn’t want. Clarity is so limited Disposable Expendable

[@cptbuxbaum]

This also brings us to the point that we may have received the powers of darkness from a member of the “Witness” who did not fully stand by him.

[@Stigness23]

The Witness kinda reminds me of Emperor Palpatine

[@marlo22]

G comment

[@HuskySansVergogne]

for a moment when Zavala was being all depressed and all, and The Witness was tempting him, I thought of it. Like Anakin becoming Vader.

[@lolbots686]

Ok so ive done digging of my own,and id like to add to evaze theorys and make my own in a fashion. I do not believe that the dissenters were helping us,at least not at first. My take is that due to the pale heart,the witness cut out a great many dissenters,in attempt for the greater hivemind to focus its corruption on the traveler more clearly. Yet despite it the precursors all made up the witness,and within the darkness manifest each as statues,when one statue is destroyed or harmed in some form,the witness feels it,and if enough are unmade,so will the witness. So in short i do think maybe its possible we had help from 1 dissenter perhaps,its because of the pale heart of the traveler that now the witness is vulnerable and ways into the dark are possible,and perhaps with salvations edge we perhaps lay the souls of the precursors to rest,destroying the witness in the process? Idk.

[@Seeker_420]

After the Mainquest from Beyond Light Zavala said "They say that they are our salvation. But we will be theirs"

[@Dubediton7]

What part do the nine add to this?

[@colorknight736]

6:14 I can’t help but feel there are references similar to this one. If there’s more than this artwork, the more likely this story Bungie had it cooked, is mostly repeated before.

[@connoremerick7405]

There’s every chance I’m forgetting something, but it feels like the statues mostly just ask people to embrace darkness. I’m not sure if it was for the witness’ benefit or trying to get help lol

[@pokerus4511]

What if a person of great magic but limited fighting potential planted the seed of becoming the unified witness. Like a parasite that told an individual what to do to get others to join. Together the “Parasite” joins and is the main Voice/Drive

[@richardthompson5363]

I think it’s something along these lines too. Maybe the Witness has never truly been a united being, but one individual tricking and/or dominating the rest. The first knife. This is out there but maybe that controlling individual isn’t even the a precursor. What if the ritual with the veil allowed the winnower (if it exists) to possess the newly created witness.

[@Devastor2041]

It's somewhat funny that two of Bungie's greatest villains turned to be collectives of sorts.

[@nicholastrotter4781]

I feel like this expansion so far is okay; it's not done yet so ofc you cant completely judge but we havent learned much of anything we didn't already know. It is cool to see the veiled dissenting members but I was really hoping we would learn more about the traveler after all this time. So much of the campaign was finding the vanguard but I feel like we are literally inside the traveler, we should finally know clearly what the traveler is, where it came from whatever, and the same goes for the darkness and the veil too. Seeing Zavala be angry against the traveler was so cool, they should've really gone further with that but it was over before it even really began. How cool would it have been to fight zavala as he took the witnesses side or was possessed but in the end of the campaign he betrays the witness and gives us the opportunity to strike or something like that ???? I feel they are still holding back narratively (maybe because for so many people the final shape will be their last expansion, and they dont want to completely explain the universe and lose this interesting mysterious destiny air?) AND for being nostalgic ??? i like the vanguard and its great that cayde is back and all that but we can be nostalgic years from right now in the last chapter of this story. Now is the time for like wild storytelling and really pushing their pen. Anyways chile

[@superior_nobody07]

it makes sense for the traveler to not give us answer imo. The whole existence of the witness came from the fact that the traveler gave life but no meaning, no answers. It just sat there never communicating or giving guidance

[@cjallenroxs6239]

Dude give it time goddamn shit just came out

[@raptorprimal1077]

I wonder who was the first original precursor that even thought of the idea to create the witness in the first place, that is truly the most evil precursor

[@carla.n.5078]

Personally, I think the Witness and its many voices are and were afraid of their own mortality and afraid of being forgotten. The final shape is just their means to put the universe on hold.

[@mizznekoxfeko10]

Nightmare fuel!

[@adapterchris3047]

They try to warn us

[@Blakarot11]

“What was made, can be unmade.”

[@cy282x]

The Witness is a Commie >A collective >Exiles/Bound/Purge Dissenters Therefore, Destiny 2 is a Commie hunt Simulator

[@dannykrakt736]

I hope either the actual raid boss or the campaign ending fight is a singular individual after all of the other dissenters are freed. The true character behind all evil doing this whole time

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

I think probably most of the faction that wanted to make the Witness to begin with should be held responsible, but it has existed for millennia, so it's easy to imagine the less zealous ones changing their minds and wanting out.

[@ZarMationStudios18]

I wonder if RS was the Dissenter who was trying to guide Zavala... it would bring all the letters in the lore-book back full-circle.

[@jaredhussey6968]

What if bungee pulls a lynch king? And our guardian or someone crow ikira whoever has to become the witness? Maybe they’re always has to be a witness or at least someone to control the darkness

[@TommyGunnz26]

I think the witness as a full body is only there to make us sumbit by force, but i feel a lot of dissanters have their own tactics to tempt us to the darkness. It like when they merged, a lot of them had the idea of doing the final shape but some by different means. Maybe some take different tactics to draw us into the darkness. Some with power, some with riches, some with the dreams of being a god. But after that statue sound like it got upset and told you embrace the darkness little light, i stopped trusting any of them.

[@Rynobii]

Yea we knew that hes scared when he keeps convincing us to join

[@Cellardoor_]

The Witness is a next level cult.

[@taylorsps12]

do we know 100% that the statues are the forced to turn disenters? i interperated it as thats just the end result of the ritual he uses to become 1. like they all are statues but the statues likely hold their *fears and pain they cast away.* so their mortal bodies and so on are stuck inside the statue. and by destroying them it releases the emotions they locked away during the ritual making him vulnerable again. even the ones that believed and wanted to be part of him became statues. unless they became like rhulk. at least thats how i understood it at least.

[@idontlikeachu]

Thinking of it now all the statues had such weird spots but I'd say the statues that were up high on pedestals almost like in the Europa pyramid and the moon were for the witness as a way of the witness being able to control the ship through the statue cause they all seem to talk through each other then other statues like the one in garden of salvation and the pale heart and the one in the red room in root of nightmares and in odd places could be the ones that got put in time out then all the other places could just be to be made example of or to keep an eye out or the witness is an artist who likes statues

[@LAKush90]

What if at some point in this DLC all the guardians morph into one *LIGHT* like the *witness*

[@Elnato23]

Man Gabriel better win art of the week with that absolute masterpiece, really well done, great vid as always too man 👌

[@devilghostface8798]

What is the anomaly though ? Could it be the black heard ? Or something?

[@sm5pac3]

does it make sense? I'm not sure the statue explanation makes the most sense in context of how we've encountered them prior to final shape.

[@sdkingz84]

I think the Witness kidnapped them somehow and they are reaching out to us now since we are within the Traveler and for us to fully free them we will with Prismatic which is light and dark to destroy him. All he is pure darkness and we are both but are able to control both as the Witness is still trying to fully control it.

[@WillBillBilly]

wow great artwork!!

[@codscientist4877]

Correct me if I'm wrong but does anybody else hear Riven's voice on few occassions, such as 0:47

[@vac59]

The witnesses is the Borg

[@resher]

The power of the Witness is the power of the Deep (Darkness/Winnower). The Witness is not the Winnower, rather as the prime servant of it.

[@stew-03]

As Savathun said, it “wears the Darkness like a cloak”.

[@Fantasygod930]

Cool video and all but I want that cool picture of the witness I went into the guy twitter and artstation and I couldn't find it so could you please give me a link I know I'm a random guy in the internet but I really want that picture or download of it not for any malicious Intent I can assure you I just really like that picture

[@EvazeOfficial]

He will post it

[@Rafinha_estraga_rabo]

I wish we could side with the witness

[@THEMULTIVERSEMASTER]

The thumbnail hits hard tho!

[@gabetrout9930]

I have a theory(spoiler warning), remember when the witness enrages and suddenly his voice becomes clearer yet enraged, what if that is the leader of those souls and as soon as many begin to doubt, we may see who the "real villain" of the destiny franchise truly looks like

[@Dubediton7]

What is the opposite of the traveler and its purpose

[@stevenschultz9323]

The veil

[@Dubediton7]

😂

[@MrJamesBondYT]

Can’t wait for this saga to finally end

[@officialshadowgamerx6734]

Lol why I'm guessing you hate it? Tsk

[@snapfrostzz9946]

There’s always that one idiot that has to say something negative, go play something else and it will end for you 🤡🤡

[@memecrider3585]

​@officialshadowgamerx6734 it lasted for 10yrs lol

[@blacknoir606]

Why? So we can enter a new far less interesting saga?

[@EmTuu-v7b]

sooooo....what is the veil? lol🤭

[@stevenschultz9323]

Veil is darkness traveler is light

[@bignutty5180]

The other half of the traveler

[@HighTierExo]

within first 43 seconds

[@espectrodelayautja6320]

Bungie might be holding back stuff but prismatic is severely underwhelming. As predicted, the enemies disappear before it expunges or it does what all other classes already do. Much rather had a SIVA plague as a subclass.

[@q8_cyber]

Siva is not paracausal

[@bignutty5180]

Siva as a subclass literally makes zero sense

[@calus_bath_water]

Worst take ever

[@Astrapionte]

I love your voice 😍

[@Levendula5448]

First

[@am_rzq6819]

The thumbnail goes crazy! Is it AI generated??

[@PokemonBigSad]

No

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

artist's X account is onscreen at 6:14, it was painted digitally

[@am_rzq6819]

@@xXx_Regulus_xXx thanks!

[@stew-03]

The Witness looks badass in the artwork. I love it