Destiny 2 - THIS IS NOT IT! This Needs To Improve Right Now

[@EvazeOfficial]

Today we discuss the Story Of Episodes. The Issues and how they can (hopefully) improve moving into Heresy and Frontiers next year. This is kind of a rant and nothing completely new, but I wanted to talk about how this impacts the story. Some of these story beats are meant to bridge things and start new mysteries, but other moments could've been huge! How would you improve the story moving forward with the roadmap?

[@thomasfeasel7532]

id like Crimson days back the Haunted forest and srl lets bring back good events the Haunted lost sectors are boring

[@wezzy9437]

You do realize the episodes are the end of seasonal/episodic content right? After this D2 will have the reward track still, probably, but how content is structured going forward will not be like this anymore with Frontiers and the devs have been pretty upfront with that. I know making content is hard but stuff like this insults the intelligence of players paying attention, do better.

[@desertphoenix6980]

Give us Sparrow Racing back!

[@mr.schmoneybags3498]

You know its bad when the LORE guy is even picking apart the episodes and their format

[@vishnuprabhut]

I would take this video with a pinch of salt the lore guy could be worried about their views every week when content is drip fed every week. What makes you think splitting up 45 mins of story into 6 weeks will make it better?

[@Such_wow_much_cringe]

​@@vishnuprabhut both formats are bad.

[@Drifter4804]

*seasons.*

[@LAZERAK47V2]

I said it the moment they announced episodes: "This sounds like seasons with the content drought spaced out." Sure enough, that's exactly what it is. The formula hasn't changed, they've just set the pot to simmer rather than boil.

[@raz0rbladeapolo]

I agree, but I think some of the jankiness of this episode is due to the fact it was likely mostly finished as a season when the decision was made. I think the first "Episode" we get that was designed from the ground up to be one will likely be better. Hopefully.

[@GoersEdits]

I think theyre going back to seasons after episode 3

[@Zer0Tw0023]

​@@raz0rbladeapolo That's been the problem since the release of D1 "they were too far into development to change the story/DLC/episode/act for the better, next one will be better I swear!"

[@raz0rbladeapolo]

@@Zer0Tw0023 We won't know for sure how much Episodes will differ from season until Heresy. I actually enjoy the gameplay enough I can just mindlessly run strikes for hours, so I'll keep playing either way. I do hope, for the lore nerd inside me, that story delivery improves greatly at that point. Bungie has some major flaws, even more so when it comes to Destiny, but nothing wrong with hoping. They have their hands full honestly. It's people like me, who no-life the game, that seem to be the most vocal when it comes to a lack of content. Between launch and CoO I had 600 hours in the game, and sat at just around 800 when Forsaken was about to launch. Of course I was going to have nothing new to do, but as an outlier who loves the gameplay and aesthetic that much, it never bothered me.

[@primordialwind6090]

My main issue with the game is that pretty much everything new gets removed after a set amount of time which has made me play for efficiency rather then casual fun. Get the loot before anything because you never know when something irl is going to prevent you from playing for a while meaning youll miss out on a cool armor set or a strong weapon

[@carnage9536]

How? Every one of the new weapons is so easy to get and the stuff gets removed after a year. They even usually give you daily red borders for the last week or so of the expansion to really help you catch up if you're missing some patterns.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

@@carnage9536 A. RNG can really bend you over B. Red borders aren't guaranteed C. Did you miss the part where they said life happens? Not everyone can no-life the game like you can, sport.

[@denny8422]

​@@Lorentz_Driver what exactly was the condescending attitude for? i have friends that don't "no-life" and would likely say the exact same thing as he did. they swing through at the end of a season, or now episode and are usually fine

[@Drifter4804]

Thats why me and many are just going back to d1

[@user-kb6ey3dq7c]

​@@Drifter4804 genuinely delusional.... the loot system in rhat game is so outdated

[@dinckelman]

The story feels like it has no impact, and no consequence. Being able to do the whole act at once is an improvement, but the quality of the content is just miserably, and offensively bad. People paid money to access this, and yet there's 15 minutes of recycled story, with a pointless, boring grind. When you manage to lose your entire veteran playerbase, that says enough

[@coreyevans5734]

this. I'm a lore nerd, I have all the books and this feels like a return to curse of Osiris for me

[@ThaNarc]

​@@coreyevans5734 curse of Osiris was better

[@Spahki]

Hey guys! Remember Mars, Mercury, Titan, Io, and the Tangled Shore? Those fully fleshed out playable areas with Lost Sectors, secrets, and and NPCs? Imagine if they just... USED those assets for more than 3 seconds a year!

[@wattsactingdoc]

Seriously! Tangled Shore was an amazing area, and I would love to return to Venus! I'd probably play again if they brought some old places again.

[@v00.d00_child]

Too much space. Gotta bench em. What an ass backwards way of delivering content

[@jyeturk7]

They literally could just keep more content around for longer. At least have a rotator of 3 past seasonal activities. Many elements need to be on a daily rotation and imo, nightfalls should ALL be accessible ALL of the time. Every strike on every difficulty at all times, with different weapons dropping in each on a rotator. They have lots of amazing content but the delivery, execution, and availability of it all needs to be given more attention.

[@Fier07112]

The unanswered questions are to restart intrigue and mystery again. We just came out of big 10 year journey so I’m cool with that. It’s the time to set a new table and build towards a new frontier. They definitely have to do something about the length of story. Why I was against changing it from week to week in the 1st place!

[@sillysiji5257]

@Fier07112 you say that like Bungie will even come back to any of these story threads. Look at Xivu. They built her up for what seemed like it was going to be a huge battle or war against her. They beat her off screen with Eris and leave her behind from the main campaign thread. Amidst the final act. Bungie is just incapable of good writing these days. Let alone deliver meaningful content.

[@houseflygames]

ive stated many times, if they actually innovated, the game would improve. The vault has so much oppurtunity to not only bring older players back, but give so much context to the original saga. If they unvaulted fan favorite seasonal activities, ramped up the events, and secrets, it would fill the void. Since the Leviathan is still sitting idle on the moon, they could re-do Menagerie, but hosted by Caital to cleanse the Leviathan or simply used as a training grounds for her soldiers and the guardians. Bring back older strikes and campaigns, re-do and re-work the older content to make them fit the most recent version of the game. So if they brought back Red War, they make Gaul more difficult than how we older players expirience them, and perhaps give players a Gaul themed armor and weapons for completing said reworked campaign. Re-work the Destinations UI, have it as a list to scroll up and down on, instead of the clustered mess it is now, select a planet, then the maps slides into fray. Making returning and New destinations fit with ease. Make Destinations playable again, instead of giving nothing but glimmer.

[@lukeduwa]

all this is so true, maybe then you can actually recommend the game too a new player. and he wont be so overwhelmed to the point of quitting. they can just play through red war-final shape.

[@jdjamiso1]

PoE is such a letdown. They mentioned it being like the Coil but it's nothing like it. I've played through it one time and was like this is boring and has no loot so I'm out.

[@Bum-t9x]

Wait did you do contest of elders or prison of elders cause prison of elders is the shitty one and the actually good one is contest of elders

[@jdjamiso1]

@Bum-t9x I did both and wasn't impressed. The coil actually had rounds and you could invest in upgrades between each one. You also were hunting those little collectibles for the best score and PoE is just some lame objectives.

[@Synnota]

Big agree. Like conceptually, the arenas are good spaces! But the part that is missing that the coil had was after every round, you’ll have a currency you could use to power yourself up for following rounds. To take it another step further, I really liked the season of the Witch, where we were empowering Eris. The use of the tarot cards in that seasonal activities added a flavor of RNG and built on top of everything, giving buffs that could help the whole team while not being guaranteed every run because of the RNG nature. Deep dives had something similar, and that’s honestly what I thought tonics were going to be like kind of, where they’d make me want to dive deeper into the seasonal activities, but ehh… I don’t see a point to PoE

[@sillysiji5257]

​@jdjamiso1 this single-handedly has got to be the biggest problem of Tomb of Elders. It has no activity specific loot like PoE. How could they not do a House of Wolves themed armor or the original PoE weapons. I swear people freely give Bungie more excuses than any developer in existence

[@jdjamiso1]

@@Synnota exactly. These objectives are like kill some stuff and then flip switches 😴

[@SNUSNU-lz7dh]

I’d like Eva Levante to have her shop back in the tower with weekly quests to get old removed raid shaders , iron banner and even D1 shaders and armour pieces like Xur & his strange coins

[@03bankzy04]

We just need better development overall. Doesn’t bother me if it’s weekly or all in one go. The current model only shows how little content we always got now that the bloat steps have been removed. The problem is internal. They can make great content. However it is clear that there is a problem with their staffing and management. Maybe they should start making games we want to play again. Or is that too offensive to the current team 😂

[@Tygersbyte]

If i could atleast craft the weapons i could chase the patterns. I actually resent Bungie for removing seasonal crafting

[@mothmarx398]

Yeah but being able to craft EVERYTHING is not good. Whats the point in giving weapons multiple perks if the same 4 get put on basically everything? I agree that crafting shouldn’t be removed completely but im not upset that this seasons weapons arent craftable when GoS weapons are and got fresh perk pools

[@Tygersbyte]

@mothmarx398 you gotta remember only having raid weapons craftable in possibly the most disliked raid punishes many players that don't have access as easily as other players. It was a bad decision.

[@nikolaibelinsky2484]

I wish bungie would do an overhaul on deepsight crafting, and how you get them instead of dropping the harmonizers in a season pass and are limited to one or two new craftable weapons per season

[@Dargon1o1]

I kinda stopped playing as much as I used to during episode because it feels like their “gimmicks” for that season are pointless since they’ll leave after a few weeks so I don’t bother with them. Like the potions for this season feel so pointless, I’ve only used them for the quests and that’s it, I don’t touch them at all. It’s not like they’re going to stay and it just feels like busy work when I’m interacting with them. I wish they actually added things that were going to stay in destiny longer than a few weeks

[@TziDavid]

We're getting a fresh batch of Deepsight Harmonizers this season but with no new red borders. So uh... maybe reinstate craftable seasonal guns?

[@Tygersbyte]

Yes yes yes yes

[@mothmarx398]

Garden of Salvation are all newly craftable and have updated perk pools. So they did give us new craftable weapons

[@Tygersbyte]

@mothmarx398 mate, everyone's aware of the raid weapons. It's the seasonal content which is accessible to everyone that is the issue

[@TziDavid]

@mothmarx398 I am happy for you who still can do raids with players you trust. That is no longer the case for me as my clan has pretty much moved on with their lives even before TFS. I've seen too many clips of players getting booted out just before the end of activity loot chest to even trust the Fireteam Finder. So for me, I am pretty much stuck to solo activities.

[@TziDavid]

@@mothmarx398 I'm happy for you who still get to raid with players you trust. However in my case, my clan mostly moved on with their lives even before TFS. I've seen too many videos of players getting kicked out by Fireteam Finder randos just before the end-of-activity loot drops to trust that feature by Bungie. So for me I'm mostly a solo player now and being able to craft this season's upcoming stasis scout rifle would mean a lot to me.

[@DeusExAngelo]

Honestly, this was going to be major issue following The Final Shape. The Final Shape was the culmination of the 10 year journey, and a final fight against an ultimate enemy of the franchise within the god-likw entity representing said franchise. While I wish BUNGIE did reveal more lore details regarding the nature of the Traveler, Veil, Gardener, and Winnower...the expansion's story and conclusion did overall bring a satisfaction resolution (especially with the introduction and mastery of Prismatic). The problem is now following up with compelling story and gameplay after said conclusion. What transpired in The Pale Heart is the pinnacle of "Become Legend." Along with what the end of the "Light & Darkness" saga means. As it has been established, the Light and Darkness are fundamental, paracausal aspects of reality from which all other things are derived from. Not only that, but there are still major mysteries in this saga that haven't been given closure yet. Beyond that is the fact that there is now a smaller team with few vets. While I feel bad to a degree, another issue arose in that BUNGIE was too spread out on all these different incubation projects when Destiny and Marathon should've had all hands on deck...especially for the former as it was basically keeping them afloat. Especially with how difficult live-service games are to make, maintain, and keep players engaged.

[@christrites4251]

I agree. They seem to be struggling since the Final Shape was dropped. That would have been a great time to end Destiny 2 and make Destiny 3 with a whole new story and characters, they missed an amazing opportunity IMO.

[@SealFormulaMaster]

The issue is the amount of content compared to what they claim they want to make, an ARPG. What we get are 9 step quests, with 3 to 4 quests that are dialogue heavy instead of action heavy. Dialogue is great for telling a story, but it's terrible for keeping the player engaged. If we need to have dialogue heavy quests, then we need motion and acting. A static hologram or a simple shrug doesn't tell the tale. The one scene I constantly think back to in The Final Shape is when Zavala finally reunites with Cayde. It's a powerful scene because we see the actors reacting to what's going on. Then looking at this season, the closest we get to that is when we break Eramis out of jail, but Crow is already there waiting for us. Mannequins are suppose to be for cheap jumpscare horror games, not an action game of any kind. That is the quickest thing they can do to make things more interesting if they can't reduce the number of filler quests. The next thing they need to do is innovate on the types of quests. Right now all we have are "Kill. Kill things to get thing. Kill a specific enemy". Why not give us an infiltration style mission where we need to sneak around? Or, a protect the VIP style mission where we have to protect a person (Human or NPC, don't matter) while they do a task? Just something other than "Go to this room and kill before going to the next room and kill, before going to the next next room and kill, before going to the boss room and kill, before getting teleported out and killing your way back in, before killing the boss".

[@denny8422]

they mentioned something about rogue-like and ToE being similar to Coil and I just don't see either of those while playing through it 😭 the rewards aren't as enticing either. I used to do Coil almost solely for ascendant shards towards the end of the season yet ToE I feel no real incentive to go in. just kinda fell flat for me

[@redlefthand36]

Something I would dearly like to see established into the seasonal gameplay is using patrol zones in a similar vein to expansions. Let me actually wander around the setting to get to objectives. De-sunset places, let me actually walk around Mars or Titan. Even better, it would be excellent to see, for instance, if Oryx's dreadnaught was brought in next episode in a similar fashion to how the Leviathan was used for Season of the Haunted. Making the setting at large more interactable as opposed to just constantly tabbing to Destinations and clicking on the helm for every quest is certainly one step forward in the right direction, in my opinion.

[@darth_satoshi]

It would be pretty cool if they added Legend/advanced/master Patrol zones as well. It’s hard to enjoy patrolling when the Guardian just stream rolls everything. You can’t even get the feel for builds and all their caveats in the Patrol zones as they are now

[@angelgustavoulloagalvez3366]

The game has ran its course at this point. We need to accept that D2 is done for and move on.

[@Yvaelle]

I honestly didn't even know this was supposed to be a Vampire Hunter season until you said it. I thought Slayer Barons were just their own thing.

[@wolfsbane3252]

Not to mention the designs on some exotics were changed like not even the buffs but the designs like vamp bracers they no longer have the claw design.

[@FireFlyMaxx]

I started to think about the story structure of D2. I think what's missing more than anything is a B plot, or several alternative plots. TV shows don't focus on 1 narrative. This is how you engage audiences without having character burnout. The lore we get in weapons and armor would definitely make engaging B plots if made available either in game or as cinematics. They could be used to for shadow or divert stories, introduce new characters or subvert expectations.

[@Competent_Cobana]

To answer the question about the Destiny 2 team size, it has been confirmed by Bungie that about 40% of their resources are currently going towards Destiny while the other 60% are going into marathon.

[@Bum-t9x]

Jesus , bungie might honestly get closed down if marathon flops or atleast a lot of layoffs again , and the chances that marathon fails is pretty large at the moment

[@stevem.9340]

Source? You better not be making it up.

[@Apogenezis]

I don't need marathon. We need DESTINY to continue. SIVA, VEX origins, 6 missing planets, the heck with NINE... so many stories untold!

[@Competent_Cobana]

@@stevem.9340 It was either Paul Tassi or Jason Schrier that released the info, can't remember which.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

@@Bum-t9x Good.

[@DragonBornHero]

I’d like to see more truly unique weapon variants that aren’t exotics but have their own unique niche. For example; how the BXR has the unique intrinsic Legacy PR-55 weapon frame. More Legendary weapons that have unique intrinsic traits that fit their own little niches would give new and old players specific reasons to grind for what they desire most

[@mostafa-ep6rk]

I think it all ended with the final shape i don't see this game go back to being awesome and content heavy like before which is sad but i believe is true.

[@kd-pt1zy]

Agreed and its going to get worse frontiers. Im stepping away after the last episode.

[@chase5436]

Episodes were a con to get you guys to pay for the deluxe edition instead of base Final Shape and being done with D2.

[@JacobConstas]

I agree with him on the story’s are not that bad it’s just missing that emotion

[@flamingscar5263]

This was bound to be the case after final shape On the timeline, we're back to D1 vanilla, 10 years before the "biggest baddy" is defeated

[@Prodigy1998]

It's the avengers endgame effect. We had a decent story with a satisfying conclusion and now they're trying to piece together stories to build off of the conclusion/start the next arc and they've essentially written themselves into a hole. Bungie themselves has always known that this is something that they could totally have happen to them which is why they've made it a point to never over deliver on anything in the game including the story because every time that they over deliver on even the story we get a ton of lackluster story for a while after like they're trying to re-lower our expectations or something. Hopefully they'll be able to pick up and start a new arc successfully soon

[@FearedTheFox]

one thing they could do: bring back the old destinations. increase ad density on patrol destinations, add a survival mode. no fancy mechanics. just endless waves to fight until you fail, or get tired. or having missions/adventures like MY FAVORITE mission, was the one with cayde and crow, setting up camp, going around doing random things. investigating things then at the end of it, fighting some boss.

[@pedrob7374]

I think these three seasions are a band-aid untill the next expansion... it seems they are going more RPG in their format... I'm willing to bet people will complain about it not being linner enough

[@cremeybrulee]

I think this model just failed. And in every video they do before this stuff is released the overhype it

[@RonOverdrive]

Honestly the problems with the Episode content to me is Two Fold: 1) it just show how badly Bungie is going to Under Deliver on content in a vain attempt to keep customer expectations in check to minimize the content creation investment and 2) the content is too short for the stories their devs are trying to tell. If they let their devs just tell the story there wouldn't be a content shortage in the episodic content model because the stories would be properly fleshed out. So to me the solution is for Bungie to stop with the under delivery mindset and just let their writers cook for once.

[@michaelpaola80]

Wish list: your Transcendance meter should fill when you Rally to the Flag

[@weirdandcreepy]

7:48 When you said "secret moments" you reminded me of the telesto event that was driving alot of ppl crazy"

[@guitarman3190]

Where the hell is the Rosetta stone for the language of the dread? They literally advertised that and it's in the lore for the raid exotic.

[@haydenw7981]

What we need is two warmind's / curse of Osiris's every year. 3 to 4 hour stories with lots of side content and stuff to do with some mid-content-drop mini content drop

[@connort4712]

That's wayyyy too much work. They will never do that unfortunately bc that's too much money for pete parsons to spend

[@IAmTetsuo1]

​It's like he woke up out of a deep sleep and missed the last 2/3 years lol​@@connort4712

[@s1n1st3rs0ul]

they have actually said thats exactly what is happening. There are having 2 dlc per year with a season attached to each one, but there will be a total of 2 major updates per season, so four in total each year

[@MrNuclearz]

Those expansions sucked too.

[@purewhiteloverbizarrejelly]

Never thought I’d see the day when people long for “two tokens and a blue”. While Echoes lacked a robust story, we got way more replayable content than Warmind or Curse

[@wattsactingdoc]

I remember most of my destiny 1 time being logged in patrol areas. It was super fun to explore and do odd missions for the factions and vanguard. It always felt like there was a purpose to it and it was nice to engage in these areas that the developers poured god knows how many hours of designing into.

[@TLHGONZO]

3:23 This shit happens way too much. It’s annoying that practically everything counts as a projectile.

[@slimbandicoot281]

Im glad somebody caught on to that..kuz it definitely do happens alot in this episode

[@christiancastillo0753]

Bungie's decision to reveal the episodes so late in time made me never get into the game since I played the first part of revenant, I got lost and didn't even understand what I was playing, I felt like I was skipping important parts, it's very sad so many bad decisions, it seems on purpose.

[@GrzmotOfficial]

I would personally like to see more secret quests, rewards could be, emblems, shaders, exotics. It doesn’t always have to be big. I also agree with secret legendary weapons too. I think we need a balance of Themed weapons. Make a few more. Give half of them us as craftable weapons, and half of them as grindable activity rewards. I also think that nightfall weapons need an update. Keep the normal weapons in the rotation. But i feel every strike, should have a rarer drop for a “boss themed weapon” mindbenders is a perfect example. But maybe shift it to something other than Fikrul this time… give the bosses something thats a memorable reward. Make the drop low. Make the role static, but make it unique. Make it something akin to old school Lunas and NF. Not quite as broken, but somewhere between the power of an exotic weapon and a legendary. The important thing is that it’s unique. It would even be cool if each of these had an origin trait that was similar to one of the abilities that the boss had that it came from. I think if were going to continue this episodic model, I think each act should have something new to bring to the table. A new strike weapon I think would be an amazing addition, even if it’s just reskinned content for an act 2 addition. Cus im kinda sick of waiting for the new exotic mission in act 3, for all of act 2.

[@brandonleecross468]

They need to stop lore tabbing storybeats

[@darth_satoshi]

11:36 dude I’ve been looking for that feather forever!! Ty!

[@Tavalii]

Once I finished the pale heart stuff I never touched it again only to change exotic perks🤣 , not even to farm exotic class items. I just wait for double loot and double xp GMs and Zur class item week. **Chefs kiss**

[@MatthewAdams-n9y]

What if we get a dungeon pantheon mode? I feel like that'd be fun, with it having the dungeon exotics as a reward

[@callumthetaken6708]

What we need is: Less Artificial Gatekeeping or dumass increase in Difficulty via Champions. We need more Puzzles/Harder enemies a progression System involving Weapons and Armor. Instead of Giving us 1 Boss per activity give us many bosses and the Sequence of killing determines the Loot. They need to reinstate Weapon crafting. The Missing craftable Weapons from Revenant are a Gut punch and ball drop. We need but that is Confirmed armorset. We need More viable and Strongly adjustable Armors. Cause the Dry humping to gain a Good roll is insane Why would a Titan want 30 mobi on a Piece why would the Average Hunter want 26 strenght What is a Warlock suppose to do with Discipline since his entire build is focused on Returning nade energy. In Terms of Story: What happend to Xivu Arath? What will the Cabal do now? Will we fight together to retake Torobatl? Are all Pyramids now gone or are they still there and maybe even still active? The witness was OUR big Bad. But what about the One he served? Where is the Traveler actually from. Will his Creators retake it sometime soon? Why are there still Sunjugators and Grims alive after the Witnesses Demise? Is Nezarec now actually Immortal for he lives on as long as he is rememberd? What did Shin malphur do all this time and why haven't we met. If an Ahamkara can bring people back(Cayde) might that be possible for the Speaker or Amanda? We interruptes Oryx's return in the GotD dungeon but will Savathun do the same for lets say Crota? What happend tonthe Upended, residing in Rhulks Pyramid? Is is inactive for ever now? Destroyed? Or just Just waiting to be used again? We have destroyed rivens taken body, made peace with her Ghost and Slayen Savathun why is the Dreaming City not cleansed again?

[@MisterMischiefplays]

I feel the issue comes down to a lack of randomness. Everything being on schedule takes a lot of the surprise of things changing in the world. The game needs more random events happening, weird anomalies, indicating the world is changing, and all three Episodes should have dropped their first Acts within weeks of the end of the Final Shape. Then slowly introduce the second acts of each episode at random times, giving the illusion that something has changed.They could even intersect with each other, giving incentive to see how the intersects happened in the lore from different episodes.

[@RaulSandrea]

In my case destiny stopped being fun when I stopped caring about the crucible, for me the gameplay loop would be, go to activity, get a good weapon/roll, take it to PvP, rinse and repeat, but when PvP is no longer a factor, I don't see a reason to go get a better weapon, add to that the "weapon tunings" where they make a weapon archetype overpowered while nerfing just about everything else to the ground, it makes the crucible stale, you can check IB this week, there are pulse rifles and telestos everywhere. I haven't done any dungeon released after duality, I don't see a reason to, why spend the time and go through the pain of dealing with the ultra elitists in the fire team finder. I don't know man, it's just such an ordeal now for me and I do love the game, but man... 😢

[@byrdson]

I feel your pain 😢

[@R9YRay]

Literally if it just coil 1.5 give the same loot at least upgrade materials (shards, ascendant alloy/shard, prisms, or like even light motes if you still need them for prismatic) or give us a strike back per episode that is updated or worked into the story and will atleast be around after these seasons are over (not battlegrounds)

[@LinusSWE]

The lore is usually not the problem, it's the delivery. They are currently with Episodes delivering the same amount of content that we had over two weeks before (during seasons), and the acts are way longer than a season. I would have liked to see... * a bit more open world, so you can move across the world however you'd like. * a slower gameplay (more story with 48 hours gameplay unless you're rushing through, slower leveling, and more side quests in the open world). With this maybe release the first dungeon after a month, and raid after 3-6 months, and release the full story for a year. * that if acts would stay, to have a start and a ending. Not leave things open like they are now. * them not removing old story content. Just like WoW where you can play the story from the beginning, or jump to current release. PvP available from start if you're not interested in PvE. * Endgame content locked behind paywall (Trials and Raids), so less cheaters are around. * Better anti-cheat, since some cheats should be so easy to detect. For example, if you shoot quicker than the max fire rate of the weapon, moved through a solid object, and so on. This could probably be written better, but these are some of my thoughts.

[@Scarachnophobia]

I wish we can prestige our ranks with Petra Venj for more Queen's armor, shaders, weapons, ships, sparrows, emotes, banners etc. The same idea from Destiny 1 when we had to rank up to unlock certain things. I have just about everything you can earn that's Queen themed. Even the rare Queen Weapon wrap for Petra's sidearm. A social space in the dreaming city or at the tower dedicated to the Queen fans or something 💜just some ideas i had💛👑

[@Shahmane666]

I just gotta say that the concept art for Frontiers looks awesome. If there’s anything Bungie does right, its the art

[@hugomungus7306]

The biggest problem is knowing a lot of the new bugs and cheating exploits (minus weightgate) are caused by the brutal staff cuts. They gave us wine, and the owners cut off their feet and hands for their service. The vision isn't there because the studio is an Echo (lol) of themselves.

[@ChildOfEnki]

I love for bungo to stick to their word about console being 120fps in pve as well as pvp. It’s been nearly a year since they announced that. I would also like a GM playlist that plays random GMs. We can’t gain anything extra from it other that weapons/armour but nothing you can grind for. This would clearly be to pass time but you could set yourself personal bests by how many you complete in row? I would also like the artefact mod to stop favouring 2 subclasses and focus more on weapons. I’d like bungo to stop forcing players to suffer through game modes to get a weapon (pvp). Finally, I’d like my money back that I used to pay for dlc that was taken away only to pay for it to come back. Who’s ever idea that was I’d like to see them hand themselves into a police station for daylight robbery on a global scale 😅

[@sillysiji5257]

I'm with you Evaze. Bungie said Episodes was going to give them the flexibility to deliver bigger and better stories than Seasons. It turns out to be less than Seasons, far less! At this point Bungie should either quit while they're ahead or start producing real meaningful content. If they don't, I'm sure Sony is hoping for them to fail and take full control. Maybe a Sony lead Bungie will do actual work. Who knows?

[@sasouchi6546]

The real problem i have with the game right now is that the narrative sucks badly. We were told we'd get access to 6 weeks of content in one go. Bro, i did 6 weeks of content in 1 hour. Care to explain how they were suppose to spread that on 6 weeks??????????

[@user-ru2mu5nd4e]

I completely agree that into the light was great with the shiny weapons but I just hope that they dont milk it too much bc it will grow stale just like almost every holiday event.

[@bwayne4781]

How about this : story of guardians v guardians where there are version of story content. Light guardians face darkness story with guardians being corrupted. Other side of story is darkness guardians story content of them having to stop light side guardians from fulfilling the mission. Each side can only use either light powers or darkness. 2 stories told from different views. Each class can only be 1 of either light or darkness. Different weapons obtained from each version. But it doesn’t have to end in 1 week because of the raid. The raid is at the end of the season as alt ending only. Level cap is nonexistent and the stronger a guardian gets the harder the enemies.

[@angrylionsfan2605]

I have all the gear I need. I have more than I will ever use. I don’t think I’m alone with half my vault has never been used. It’s there for a potential new meta that may never come. Tonics are overly complicated with a very short duration. I don’t want to have to reference the artifact on that character to see what tonics would be useful for the current build. Last season they tied the end into the exotic mission. It was the first one I didn’t finish. I’m not sure I’ll finish this episode.

[@Angel_11_legnA]

If its quarterly release for episodes, then they should take a page out of Remnant 2's new DLC releases. Since the scale of Destiny DLC's are larger, episodes now resemble the timeline of Remnants DLC releases quarterly. Stand alone stories with abiut 3 to 4 hours of content.

[@jockejezuz]

Speaking of releasing Eramis, I would like some player choice in the story. A good writer can give us the illusion of choice at least. Anyone know whatever happened to the "choose drifter over the vanguard" or vice versa thing from years ago?

[@christrites4251]

I agree 100%. I always figured when they went to the seasons/act, whatever they want to call it, it was the beginning of the end. The same thing happened with The Division, and it killed it. Sometimes it feels like they have given up. They keep doing new versions of onslaught and now we're running around the prison of elders, next its the dreadnaught...can't they make something new? I was elated when they made new space inside the traveller but was disappointed when much of it was reused landscapes. Also, how many times do they want us to do Encore? Is redoing the same mission over and over considered new content? Don't get me wrong, I love the game but I think they have lost their way in the story and the artwork and new environments. Lately the new armor sets have been bloody awful as well. I find myself lately looking on the Playstation store for a new game but there's not much out there that intrigues me.

[@smokers1231000]

I totally agree though im not a veteran player who plays the game day one and does not fully invest my self in the story yet but imo final shape is great and a proper send off to cayde 6, Zavala's character arc, even a powerful character like him has its own flaws and weakness. I just hope Bungie will do more story like that, unlike this episode revenant I cant see a good story in it.

[@johannlopez6949]

episodes could be better, i agree, but instead of wanting more, look at what we get. we have 3 episodes that lay out (potentially) 3 major plot lines for the franchise for years to come (ironic to think about when one of the complaints is that bungie doesn’t have things planned, maybe they do and people dont see it cause they want it easy to understand). i do agree that we should get stuff to do in between releases, more real fun activities to do in locations post campaign etc. but dont ask them to conclude plot lines in episodes to then complain about not having anything to look forward in the future, maya is obviously coming back later, if we ended her story in echos that’s one less thing to do in the future.

[@punchline1729]

Recently I've been playing other games and I can see how well they are handling their stories and how well they are executed, I wish Destiny could do the same

[@derek2346]

Where’s the loot? Is my big question. What am I playing for?

[@NIRANDUR]

6:57 yes I do play enigma protocol. Those double perk dawn weapons are VERY good. Best in slot even.

[@dreamzz9425]

Give me queenbreakers bow back in special slot like D1, bring back crimson days, SRL, roll back exotic drop rates and stop making the new exotics so easy to get (roll it back to D1 style but little better drop rates) that way it’s actually exciting getting exotic engrams again. Add in filler story on the side of the episode story to go into further detail with some things

[@anosvoldigoad3021]

Bungie should do what they used to do, and provide an excellent story while dropping subtle hints that they is something greater behind it all. Right now, the new dungeon is the biggest question we have right now- what the hell is on the other side of that portal/what is puppeting atraks dead exo corpse/what is that energy radiating from the portal? Those questions have so much potential but my personal issue with it is if it had anything to do with the echo? Was its power (the anomalous energy from the portal) an interest to fikrul? What relevance did it have to the echoborne scorn? Bungie is desperate right now and i think they need guidance

[@ErnieOporto]

It's not great, but it's also only $15 per episode, or $5 per act. We're not paying for great story right now.

[@justinleon4862]

Would love to see destination public raid type events and maybe more dynamic environments

[@brianholcomb933]

I just want them to stop making things so ambiguous. like unlocking certain exotic weapons.

[@cyrae117]

are they leaning into budget priorities?

[@TheLitman72]

I think Bungie needs to bring back cut content... I dont see future content being good ether. The writing lately is bad outside the light/dark saga.

[@solaris_]

To me, episodes were a kind of breather after TFS, while Bungie worked on whatever was next. Seems that way in execution as well.

[@ParsoJr]

Story in episodes isn’t hitting at all, because reality is Bungie laid off hundreds of staff so they are putting out the bare minimum content wise. It seems like Bungie wants to limp over the line with tying up a couple of loose ends before frontiers lands.

[@finalbladecrisis]

Simple start. Bring back adventures. Take some weapons that have interesting lore and tie them to said adventures, as opposed to random drops with the lore just text. If its a weapon using golden age tech, have us rooting around some old tech facility for parts. That sort of thing.

[@kurtnordli1381]

I think when it comes to these unfinished story beats bungie is trying to set up future events so like the whole idea with Mia Sunderish AKA The Conductor disappearing into the Radiolarian Fluid i think bungie wanted to create a new "Big Bad" for the destiny universe and this unfinished story will probably be concluded in the future.

[@anosvoldigoad3021]

The new big bad is already there. I just wish they would execute things better instead of hitting a damn exo with a Nova bomb

[@kurtnordli1381]

@@anosvoldigoad3021 lol

[@Stainlesssteele4]

I don't understand why they don't try to tell *one* story over three seasons/episodes instead of 3 short and unsatisfying stories. Take Maya, for example. She's got great presence, her proper introductory cutscene is rather good. Nessus changing slowly is also extremely cool, but it only existing inside missions was a letdown. Now instead of having us run the bass pro pyramid mission 4 times, why not continue her story into episode 2; Say she merged with the Vesper mind and now has control over the Fallen, working the dungeon into the narrative. Actually change nessus in patrol, work her into the reworked strikes. Build her up over 3 seasons and then do a raid with a final confrontation.

[@Z0MB1ESLAYER115]

My issue is with the story, like echos could have been good and then they turned into maya can't find her lover garbage. Like the vex could have had a part that becomes a new threat, not seeking their ultimate goal. With revenant, the story feels all disjointed from it all being there at once. but the bigger issue is no crafting so im not intrested

[@pauldupont5560]

I feel like we get about the same story content than in a season, except it's drawn on longer. We need more stuff happening in each act so they don't feel so short !

[@ElevatedScvrecrow]

It would’ve been cool if they added the ability for some of the Scorn to latch on to you and drain your health as if a vampire is sucking blood from a Human

[@DCR4GRIF]

Echoes felt more like a fanfic about Osiris and Saint's relationship than anything else.

[@ElloWabbit]

After the sunset content, I couldn’t get many of my friends to try Destiny. The few that I got to try were just left confused and overall didn’t feel what I felt through the story bc they didn’t have that foundational story. And that made me feel horrible. From that moment on I kind of stopped caring about the story. I don’t even know what echos really is. I know it has something to do with remnants in the aftermath of the fall of the witness. But idk anything about this seasons story…or last season. I just know I have to do seasonal to get tonics that help drop rates (doesn’t feel like it) and to buff your build. And I don’t care for tonics much. As far as content, I may be in the minority, but I don’t mind playing the same few things over and over. PvP control, Into the light (midtown onslaught ONLY), and double loot nightfall. Other than that, I’d just join my clan if they need help to do raids or whatever else. But I don’t have any interest in it otherwise. TFS was okay as I didn’t preorder and just got it a couple of months ago, so there’s a lot to keep me occupied. But I still just basically rotate my main game modes and only do seasonal stuff if I see a weapon I like. BTW this seasons loot grind is atrocious. You have to fight loot drop RNG and then fight perk pool RNG bc there are so many weapons with so many perks. Multi perk weapons feel non existent. It’s demoralizing spending hours playing to either not get a single weapon you’re chasing, even with tonics. And the slim chance you get it, it doesn’t even have the roll you want. At this point I don’t care what else bungie puts out. I don’t expect much out of it. We’re all too addicted and they take advantage of it lol.

[@Gibbo263]

They need to drop support for older consoles. They’re holding the game back. With frontiers, it needs to be PS5 and series x|s only

[@NobleGuardian04]

I'd like to see a raid that they've been working on because xivu arath is soooooo important and a huge part of destiny. They better do her right cause i swear to god the amount of build up better be good

[@brandonnazzise8137]

SRL would be a good start. Maybe bungie could look at how they did things in the past, like D1 and Red War!

[@JTvTK]

comment was from 12hrs ago but the vid just came out? how??

[@dinckelman]

Unlisted/pre-scheduled video

[@martinezantonio4061]

I have a crazy idea. End episode 2 with a raid i know it sounds unlikely but imagine a raid where filrul is the final boss with encounters being reborm fallen bosses like skolas and or taniks(again)

[@hawaiianmango4556]

Bungie as a whole needs to go, their management is a complete incompetent disgrace! Sony needs to clear house completely and hire actual eager talent that WILL NEVER mention the words “underdeliver” and minimize the damn management from ever thinking in such a cowardly act!

[@Moey-N]

Wishlist make a 3rd subclass with 2 supers( one roaming and one off super) and 1 can be in prismatic

[@ac4th371]

I miss seasons of the Splicer and Seraph quality story. Imagine how thin Revanent would be if it was stretched out over weeks. There's even less seasonal challenges each week as well. Love the game play and activities and the story is good it just needs to be MORE! And bring back Crafting God Damn it! I hate RNG rolls.

[@sharpar1]

PoE should have had better loot rolls for gaining Warden’s favor. Warden x2 has two perks in each column and x3 has 3. Also it’s too easy and the bosses all feel the same.

[@Sfirezx]

weekly story is bad. but the change to all at once shows me how poor the effort was...its like a panic release. Would be cool if fikky is gettin some dark avengers together if we get to sundial and grab some amazing dead guardians to counter. Ultimately we need srl permanently.

[@nickkennerson2708]

pets I think a really cool addition to the game would be pets what can you do with pets? well you can get them armor weapons and they can do a little small things. For instance you can have them shoot little laser beams or have little machine guns or rockets or project a shield to you and your allies. imagine a cabal war beast decked out with heavy armor and a machine gun turret on top or a flamethrower because why not or imagine this a harpie shooting laser beams in the air while projecting a rotating shield around players Or has a fallen Shank / servitor firing blinding missiles and healing players of course the healing would be slow but healing nonetheless Imagine a hive worm that has molted into like a zerglings from StarCraft it jumps towards its enemies and it heals for every attack it does like a mini frontline tank That gets stronger the more enemies it kills. Give it a overshield or Have it multiply up to like a certain number from kills Now while you're also doing this you can also make the weapon or armors synergized with subclasses verbs You can have them summon in after charging up a bar

[@Jofishial]

While I don't like how short each act feels, I do like that it's all there up front. I've been taking this game way too seriously and being able to finish the highlights of the act early on makes it much easier to play casually. I can do the story and new activities in the first week then just go to a different game for a while. It didn't even take me a week to finish the 50 levels in the pass either. Yeah it's because I saved some of the seasonal triumphs for xp, but that also needs some rework I think. Once you max out a given act there's just no reason to turn those in. Why not hoard them? It'd be nice if there was at least a looping part of it at the end like LoL events with seasonal weapon drops or something. Maybe even some high-stat seasonal armor and not the crap 50 stat rolls I've been getting...

[@TheAntWatcher]

They just need to drop the acts part. Let us play and experience the full story. I lose interest when it get chopped up. They can do an A plot and a Bplot. A would be about fikrul and all of the story for that is dropped at once. The B plot would go to the separation of acts. So like the mythrax stuff.

[@smoglessmeat]

I love the aesthetic of this season. Cosmetics are awesome! But the delivery of 4 hours of total game play for the whole season truly feels like wtf, I paid for way more