Destiny Gets In Heated Trans Debate Against Entire Panel

Burning Man Debacle, America: The Redpill, White & Blue. Ft @destiny @ericjuly | SOSCAST | EP. 139
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[@IEVLB]

why are there always 15 random girls that don't say anything on these shows

[@bruh-nk6hi]

So the redpill dudes can make a few clips "owning them"

[@dawnkeyy]

The host is trying to get laid

[@ightimmaheadout290]

Because they know their place 🦍

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

Eye candy

[@TheSosKille12]

Eye candy obviously? U gay or sum?

[@owlson2527]

1 second in and Destiny is asleep LMAO

[@NotJam3s]

😂

[@Testicule]

Satisfactory is going on in his head: "Fuck, I'll need to remake this when I'm back.." is what he's thinking, only to wake up on the panel.

[@georgeiporgie]

He's actually checking the stream chat on his phone

[@Michael-Rosen]

Atleast he didnt eat pizza which is a debatetrick

[@deagle2yadome696]

lol

[@keiriant684]

I love how the woman who is very obviously under 25 is saying that the frontal cortex isn't fully developed until you're 25 as if that doesn't disqualify her from arguing about this.

[@FatherManus]

This is a dumb point. Not everyone is at the same level of maturity. She may be mature enough to realize that others her age are immature. When we talk about age restrictions we are talking about something that goes across the board to protect the most people. There may be some geniuses at the age of 13 that have the maturity of an adult but we still are going to restrict them for the good of the masses.

[@Ahrbok]

⁠​⁠@@FatherManusYou didn’t actually disagree with him. His point is that she should be disqualified by virtue of falling into a category. You’re saying she is an outlier inside a category while also claiming the category exists for the sake of conveniently protecting the majority, even the outliers

[@FatherManus]

@@Ahrbok You almost got it. Discussing an age restriction is not the same as being subject to an age restriction. So this person saying she would be disqualified from the discussion is erroneous. Anyone can contribute to a discussion about any topic. If said age restriction was made into law then she would be subject to it even if she's an outlier. Discussion ≠ Actual law.

[@HostileTakeover555]

Except she happens to be VERY correct.

[@heznise]

Being in your 20"s and being 14 is a huge difference in brain development

[@BuenPoco]

I love to see "libertarians" arguing for the state to legislate decisions between a child, doctor, and parent

[@Punchmemommy]

Unironically

[@MrZZsharka]

Typically the Dr is scared of being called Transphobic in the current climate of wokeism. Otherwise they would agree with the black guy.

[@kanekiken2376]

Congrats, welcome to modern society where you have to unfortunately give up the right to kill your child in order to live in a safe modern world.

[@Punchmemommy]

@@kanekiken2376 I should have a right to a post birth abortion. We can avoid people like you

[@DallasJack1]

That’s because it’s child abuse

[@razzle_dazzle]

Right at the beginning of the clip: "Surr at the end of the day..." Yep, Australian.

[@owlson2527]

‘Oarpening up’ 0:15

[@owlson2527]

‘Whork twords’ 0:31

[@MetalKenna66]

There's something weird about her accent. I'm aussie and it was hard to listen to.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

@@MetalKenna66 so it's not just me? Good to know.

[@Re-Todd_Howard]

@@MetalKenna66I hate it. Where in Australia is that accent from so I can avoid that place like the plague?

[@ataraxia7439]

Going to certain trans spaces online and seeing ppl say shit like “every child should be treated as gender neutral growing up to find out for themselves” or long lists of completely normal feelings as “signs you’re actually trans” is the creepiest craziest shit for me but then I see ppl like this and realize the internet or something about public discourse just makes every say the worst arguments regardless of position.

[@Yetinokles]

Not to mention in anonymous Internet spaces, it's always easy to troll by going false flag and pushing the opposing position into dumb territory.

[@ArthurDomme]

there is no problem about treating your children as gender neutral and give them space to think this will make your kid actually talk to you more often and you can challenge them

[@sjkdsfsdf52]

u mentioned two things that are mutually exclusive tho, raising ur kid as gender neutral isn't inherently bad aslong as ur not encouraging curtain behaviour over the other but assuming a child is something like if they're trans or not is an issue espicially of its based on curtain prefrences that shouldn't have been gendered to begin with.

[@littlewigglemonster7691]

​@@sjkdsfsdf52we live in a world of absolutes, and emotional thinking

[@alejandroevl5890]

Even thar arguments is true , we make the desicions foe those childs , because we believe what is best for them . The woman said "you can be rong and changes you idea of strar the transition" but she can be rong too

[@ernie.99]

Insane how different destiny looks by simply having lost weight and putting on a pair of pants instead of wearing joggers lmfao

[@Kurotama11]

Imagine bro in shorts

[@derusmares9508]

Booty shorts + tank top = BESTINY

[@T2G-DJT]

@@derusmares9508 me when i see the destiny gyatt 😲😲😲

[@bracero7628]

I know Destiny is trying to be a countervailing force against this, but this discussion just reminds me how perilous it is to live in a culture in which experts aren't trustworthy. We should be able to simply defer to experts on this issue, but we can't. Without the ability to do that, it's so much easier for random idiots to build a career off of talking about shit they know literally nothing about.

[@Duckman1616]

Just because you don't like what the experts say doesn't mean they aren't trustworthy.

[@redaderoua8816]

But thats what conservatives are doing lol, that what they've been doing with evolution and vaccines and climate change

[@cmike123]

Most of us DO defer to experts, fam. What YOU trust is up to you.

[@OBsurdityTV]

@@Duckman1616them being WRONG is what makes then untrustworthy. Where did you come up with that bullshit

[@heznise]

You can't just refer to experts because you have to account for where those experts are getting their funding. Example: Fauci

[@kallistikaleid]

Damn. This was wildly rage-inducing.

[@doesntMetter1]

Starting with "me and Destiny can argue and not hate each other" and then proceeding to say ridiculous stuff is such a power play from Amy

[@deagle2yadome696]

she didn’t say anything that ridiculous

[@aurizzistic]

​​@@deagle2yadome696She said 60-90 percent of trans people regret it bro lmao. It is less than one percent. And many of them are detransitioning because they are afraid or they want their parents to love them again, very few people go to through the rigorous process for almost a decade and push back their puberty for so long because theyre being brain washed. It's because they know. Let's not get started on saying kids get their genitals "mutilated" do notice the emotionally charged language. That's so you don't think about it. No hospital in the world does that operation under 18 and it's for a very obvious reason that isn't that it is unethical. What exactly are they going to use if the kid never had any kind of puberty or growth? Duh dingus. Bro if I didn't have a moral compass I'd love to be a republican commentator because God damn is it easy. You just repeat lies that are fed to you by think tanks and it does all the work for you. You realize that sex Ed for younger kids is a single day, very basic, and is done not to spread an agenda, but because it give the child the knowledge and most importantly the language to say if they've been sexually abused. If someone doesn't have the language how can they ever tell you what their uncle/babysitter/teacher/priest is doing to them? They can't they won't and now they might grow up to repeat the cycle. Get a grip on reality. There is medical consensus and yes I hate big Pharma too but there are much more lucrative things they could do for money

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@aurizzistic yeah imma be real with u rn. no shade or nothing but i am DEFFF not reading any of that fam.

[@goddessrick8734]

​@@deagle2yadome696 Her and no one on the panel actually engaged with the data around trans. The suicide rate is lowered by 70 plus percent with gender affirming care and only 1% regret surgical changes. No one ever engages with the data around trans.

[@raiserverg]

what a ridiculous notion NOT TO permanently alter a child's body when they're an immature minor

[@MrZulu2607]

Imagine hatting big government and in the same breath wanting the government to control someones ability to talk about getting transition surgery

[@klemperal]

yeah, imagine hating big government and at the same time saying murder should be illegal. Guess it's either complete libertarianusm or conservatives are hypocritical for not wanting to allow the butchering of children.

[@michalrehacek3462]

Doesn't it all just come down to "should the government protect childern from being tortured or killed by their parents?" If yes, what else is it allowed to do and where is the line?

[@kevinwalter4078]

Children probably shouldn't be having their genitals mutilated, whether their parents or a doctor thinks it's what's best or not. And if you can say "well that's not happening", fine... we agree. So what's the issue?

[@RealFreedomMG]

​@@kevinwalter4078So if someone under 18 has an infection in their genitals that requires surgery you would rather them be left with permanent damage rather than getting medical treatment?

[@kevinwalter4078]

@@RealFreedomMG Yeah see, that's the problem. You want to compare physical illnesses to mental illnesses. Obviously, if a child needs actual medical care because of an ailment or injury, then that should be done. Literally no one disagrees with that. The only reason this concession even has to be made is because of idiots like you who insist on comparing necessary medical procedures to elective cosmetic surgeries. A person who has bottom surgery is no longer able to use their mutilated genitals. That function is gone. Whether that has even happened to someone under the age of 18, I don't know. That's debatable. Can we both agree that it shouldn't happen though and move on with the conversation, or are you just going to continue dancing around the point?

[@katiealways]

PLEASE END THE RED PILL SAGA PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@antpz6724]

~someone whose chronically online

[@bdaarmy9736]

​@@antpz6724 -also someone who's chronically online.

[@Khazzz]

I agree with some of the sentiment in this comment section that Destiny’s arguments weren’t the most compelling, but the panel did not even come close to address the basic point he was making. They kept framing it as a minor consenting to a treatment when Destiny was pointing out that it’s a parent consenting to a treatment - who is not a minor. No one is opposed to children getting medical treatment IN GENERAL, of which kids mostly never consent to; their parents do on their behalf. The argument that kids are too young to consent to transition immediately falls flat for this reason, and there are much better arguments to be made.

[@User28870]

How were they not compelling. Destiny correctly pointed out that the regret rate for trans surgeries is less than 1%, so the moral panic surrounding the topic is not justified. The other guests completely ignored that point.

[@dartskihutch4033]

@@User28870 so i actually took the trouble to find the study hes referring to, and its actually an overview of 27 relevant studies. the issue I found with it is that the most recent studies were in 2018 (only 3 of them while the rest progressively got older all the way to 1988) which is before the skyrocketing numbers of trans kids/teens/adults we're seeing now. also, the ages started at 13 which does not include children in which many of the conservatives are concerned with. another issue i found was that 36 studies were excluded, but ill have to assume there was good reason for that. so, what im truly concerned with is that fad of being trans especially for impressionable kids and teens whos life essentially revolves around fitting in. I want to see new studies done of the many others who have recently transitioned possibly due to the social pressure, or rather, social praise thats become rampant as of late. im willing to bet that the large increase in trans people now will reflect more regret in the coming years.

[@ddawg3230]

​@@dartskihutch4033why would under 13 kids and random kids dyeing their hair blue and putting on a septum ring matter to the study though? Isn't the study primarily concentrating on those getting hormone treatments and surgeries? I doubt if kids under 13 are relevant for that. Most of the skyrocketing seems to be of so called 'non-binary' 'trans' people who are mainly just teen girls trying on edgy clothing and calling themselves they/them. I really doubt if there has been a comparable increase in people who actually want to physically transition.

[@HobDavid]

Getting an appendectomy is not in anyway comparable to having your genetals removed.

[@erics3538]

@@HobDavid I don't believe you can get sexual reassignment surgery as a child, in the US at least.

[@etasjo]

its all so tiresome

[@Rex13013]

Agreed

[@noterrormanagement]

Dude took on the whole podcast and won. Respect.

[@Kurotama11]

Eric July being there has got to be one of the most random thing I’ve seen all year 😭 I thought bro was swamped with the new comic company

[@fungdark8270]

Ah, the often politicized tonsillectomy

[@sarinat3101]

I love listening to religion-loving conservatives taking the high road on "indoctrinating children with ideology".

[@jb31969]

Believing in an omniscient sky father is a far cry from sterilization, and I'm not even religious.

[@mreszotnik]

@@jb31969 That and losing function in perfectly healthy body parts for the sake of just looking different. You do not get any function of the opposite sex. The transtion process is only about putting an elaborate costume.

[@deepforestfire]

​@@jb31969Who gives a shit. The less people having kids, the better.

[@ELDENLORD89]

@@jb31969Ah yes the sky daddy that is only worshipped and it’s not the foundational element that Christoids use to push legislation to make all our lives worse. Please an hero in roblox.

[@redaderoua8816]

​@@mreszotnik Relegious people are for circumcision (permanent body alterations) and it's not even consensual or medically necessary like hrt may be, conservatives are not medical experts to listen to about gender dysphoria or whether it's medically viable for a minor to use hrt.

[@warrencapaldi9544]

It’s wild to compare gender reassignment surgery as the same as someone having adhd

[@brendanrussell4365]

what a great comment! you definitely heard and understood the point he was making 😄 Good Job!

[@warrencapaldi9544]

@@brendanrussell4365 please do enlighten me.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

Before I make any comments about the irony of Americans rallying against having an ideology imposed upon them from an early age, can I just check if their schoolkids have to do the pledge of allegiance every morning? They probably don't anymore, right?

[@Garoslol]

Its crazy how some people in the US hate the country more than the people they bomb in the middle east. Its like patriotism is a crime to them.

[@Kan-ova]

you're not forced to do the pledge of alliegance dude.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

@@Kan-ova I didn't ask if they were forced.

[@jahamilton]

@@KyleS3m3noff well to be fair, you asked "if they HAVE to" which would imply force or coercion to which the answer is no.

[@alexanderg9670]

Spreading culture memes on your children is an extension of spreading genes as such. Totally different than mutilation

[@rikachiu]

Tell me what progress can be made when two people fundamentally disagree wholeheartedly?

[@allelitememesaem3916]

It's not really about those individuals. There's a benefit to society as a whole

[@FatherManus]

Progress is made when the two can put their differences aside to achieve things they both agree on. Progress is also made when one side provides unbiased facts and the other side acknowledges those facts. The problem lies when one side accepts a position because of an underlying ideology instead of what's actually true.

[@rabd3721]

Well, if a rightwinger wants to disagree that gay marriage/trans people shouldn't exist, that's one thing. It's an entirely different thing when those rightwingers want to vote for policy makers who will actively attack gay marriage/trans people with laws. If rightwingers would simply retract their claws, I'd call it progress. I don't mind letting rightwingers be wrong, but it's when they take action on those beliefs that I have a problem.

[@WaxPaper]

You win power by voting, that's progress. Hence why voting is so important, despite what people say.

[@AveSequoia]

@@rabd3721 nah we need to double down your types have done enough castrating and indoctrination

[@mrslap1924]

Damn Destiny. I came here to see you do what title said but since you compared getting your tonsils taken out to getting son’s little man cut off you completely lost that battle. Have you or you not seen these parents pushing their kids to be what they’re not at 4 years old. Those parents are the reason why these laws are put in place. It’s to protect your son from his weak father. This is a new level of spoiling your kids and we all know how most spoiled kids turn out. Long story in the history of mankind,no one has ever said “man I miss my tonsils”.

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

Please provide examples of parents "pushing their kids" to be trans at 4 and, more importantly, doctors going along with this. All I see are conservatives fear-mongering about something that isn't happening.

[@frostdracohardstyle]

Yea 1-4 people ever. If you need a law for a single person that ruins the lives of thousands, your priorities are fucked up.

[@BranoneMCSG]

His point was that he’s a lot more willing to trust a medical professional’s opinion about surgery than some random conservatives who have literally nothing to do with the situation. If my child was experiencing symptoms of tonsillitis I would take him to see a professional whose job it is to decide the best approach to the problem. The decision then gets made ultimately by the parent, and hopefully the decision is educated and not one based purely in political bias. So obviously there’s a level of trust that needs to be had in parents to do what’s best for the children, but that’s how society already operates in all other facets of life. We don’t have the government come in and decide how the child should be parented. It’s down to the individuals. That’s what’s so weird about conservatives on this particular issue. They seem to have this very intrusive view of how the government should step in and make decisions on behalf of the parent and child even though conservatives usually place high value on individual liberty and small government.

[@SIGSEGV1337]

​@@jonathanhenderson9422 ...it's not like there's a financial incentive to push for more surgeries or anything...

[@darkarokay8921]

Cool, so lets not allow all surgeries because hospitals make money? Are you a communist or something?@@SIGSEGV1337

[@jmw1982blue]

Honestly, I'm a fan of both Destiny & Eric July. I would love to see a full conversation with both of them.

[@storysurgeon5922]

That'd be a dope convo. Especially since they have crossover in their networks with Mauler being mutual followers of both

[@specialedclass2982]

Maybe they talk about warehouses and trademark law

[@shadowprince101]

I've been waiting for it tbh. Didn't expect to see them in the same room here

[@stefanlvkc7986]

Maybe they can discuss "them bitch-ass roads".

[@youtubesewers915]

L on this one Destiny, you compare someone wanting to take life-changing hormones under the age of 18 that will change the rest of their life to someone with type 1 diabetes and requires insulin to literally stay alive. Huge L

[@sjkdsfsdf52]

all of it can be life changing tho, and a lot of gender affirming care for minors are intended to reversable more than even some adhd meds, it should be a decision made by parent and their doctor not the goverment.

[@yoyo-lf3ld]

​@sjkdsfsdf52 kids on puberty blockers is irreversible.

[@rj_7adventureready231]

Dude agree. Needing insulin is way more necessary, than getting puberty blockers, followed with hormones then getting ELECTIVE procedures. People need to take into account getting puberty blockers and hormones all will still take time to actually have lasting effects.

[@FDTFDTFDT]

It's funny that conservatives always think these decisions are being made like they're Botox injections These are decisions made with a team of doctors who get sued for malpractice when their treatments cause harm to the children. It literally takes up to a year of appointments before these decisions are even made. Y'all have strong opinions on things you have no knowledge about

[@zuffin1864]

Eric being in this crowd is hilarious 💀 he just sticks out from the girls

[@goldentrichomeshydro4260]

Eric is the only reason I tuned into this panel! 😂💯

[@Baggerz182]

repent to God

[@aParanormalEvent]

It's a tough subject. I just turned 38 and only 2 years ago finally decided I wanted to be a parent, after having lost both of mine. Point being, it took me over 30 years to find myself, despite having fully thought I had. I've never been happier where I'm at. So on one hand I want people to be happy, but on the other, you need time to find that. I fully believed I knew what I wanted in high school. But my beliefs were so dictated by those around me, movies and pop culture and the radio. You feel like you're this single person but you're just a vacuum of everything you see and hear.

[@Awaken_To_0]

So Imagine there's a man who didn't realize he wanted kids till he was 50. Should he be able to stop you from becoming a parent at 38 because "You need to take 12 more years to find yourself?"

[@bosshog8844]

@@Awaken_To_0 the discussion is about under-18s.

[@Awaken_To_0]

@@bosshog8844 Not even a response nice. Imagine if we let someone under 18: drive a car, or have sex, or sign up to be an organ donor, or get a passport, or change your name, or work full time, or be put in jail, or _literally sign up to go fight in a war overseas. _ Good thing right? God, could you imagine? We gotta protect the kids.

[@jayargee492]

It's my understanding that young trans people (under 18) generally have a long while of therapy and consultation with doctors and psychiatrists before anything considerably life-altering is considered, like surgery. I don't think you can just go to the clinic and say you may be having questions about your gender and the doctor just gives you hormones right there; it takes some time for those decisions. Like anything else there are probably a handful that may have "gone through a phase" and only realise afterward that this was the case, but I would think this probably weeds out a lot of people like that. I'm not saying you think this, but I think the discussion can be dominated by people who presume it's way easier to actually get this treatment than it is. It's a process. Every trans person I know (which admittedly is few, I'm in a very rural area) had to go through a very long process with medical professionals to get to the point in transitioning they are at. Most people probably aren't being malicious though, they just don't know.

[@camronbitzer3159]

Destiny killed this one. 👏👏

[@TAAtoday]

What video were you watching? 🤣

[@camronbitzer3159]

@@TAAtodaylet's think real hard about it... probably the video I commented on 🤣

[@TAAtoday]

@@camronbitzer3159 oh ok. Was just trying to give your IQ the benefit of the doubt 😢

[@camronbitzer3159]

@@TAAtoday aww you're cute for a moron 🤣

[@WhackCalZone]

​@flexiblecontent You siding with the pearl clutching weirdos who couldn't answer a single one of Destiny's questions? You have negative IQ pal

[@freekout1]

i dont think kids should be having surgeries but allowing them to see a doctor and socially transition should 100000% be allowed

[@AllThatsLeft24]

Kids below 18 only ever have surgeries if their condition is so bad they would commit suicide if not for the surgeries. Other that that it's not necessary for it to happen before 18.

[@TipTheScales27]

@@AllThatsLeft24That too! It’s extremely rare for a doctor to sign off on the surgeries

[@Geist_AD]

@@AllThatsLeft24 Darwinism - they’re not gonna make it anyway

[@anubistv1154]

Saying someone would commit suicide if they don’t get what they want is super anti-science anti-medicine. There’s no way to prove that after the fact, the stats don’t reflect that at all, and it’s a very hypothetical thing based on someone who already has mental problems making a threat to their parents like a spoiled brat. More often it’s just the “hammer” being used to justify what will amount to one of the greatest cases of organized mass child abuse when we all look back on it from a future where common sense makes a comeback

[@anubistv1154]

There’s no way a person could know what it’s like to be the opposite sex enough to say that they are that… what, cuz they like dolls and pink and sucking dick they are a woman now? They just know it in their spiritual core? I though those things were socially forced onto women to keep them soft and domesticated lol. And a parent CANNOT consent on behalf of their child if we’re talking about ABUSE. Letting your child think they are in the wrong body(???) or worse, feeding into that idea and letting the therapists and doctors just fast track your child onto this terrible path is a horrible disgusting thing for a parent to do. Puberty blockers are NOT reversible, and the fact that medical staff and therapists and the media keep repeating that lie PROVES that there is something truly sinister about this whole trans movement

[@dkeelin]

Appendix and tonsil removal isn’t comparable to gender reassignment surgery

[@fuegofootball758]

It’s not…….

[@dkeelin]

@@fuegofootball758 those things aren’t removed for no reason. Typically they’re removed to avoid things like infection and death

[@mahaajbradshawthelegendamo7631]

@@dkeelin false equivalency, we’re talking about two completely different things. Getting a body part removed with the motive of saving your life is not the same as changing your gender because you don’t like you sex.

[@dkeelin]

@@mahaajbradshawthelegendamo7631 oh my bad lol I just realized I put “is” instead of “isn’t “ shouldn’t comment while driving

[@mahaajbradshawthelegendamo7631]

@@dkeelin my fault.

[@ThePalisky]

destiny did not regret her top surgery in this debate

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

*his top surgery. don't be transphobic

[@ThePalisky]

@@opensocietyenjoyer way to make no sense champ Destiny is a girls name there's no trans to be found here

[@traviswall1982]

Impressive, any time Destiny changed the subject, Eric July would come in and say "I agree, let's do that" and then goes on to make a point that ties to the left field example Destiny uses to beat that point down.

[@machone539]

I agree with parents rights. But I also agree that the gov should step in for certain things. Should parents allow their minors allow to smoke weed? drink? have sex with adults? There is a line.

[@akaliicez]

Generally, the line is one in which doctors agree it should never happen. There will "never" be a benefit to a 12 year old drinking 6 shots of wiskey. There could be benefits to a 12 year old going on puberty blockers, and it should be between a few doctors, parents and the kids for that scenario imo.

[@Taylor987-h8j]

There’s no benefit for blocking puberty. It leads to extreme health complications, and sterilisation. If a child is suicidal they should receive counselling like they would in all other mental health instances.

[@Kurotama11]

@@akaliicezso, say a 13 year old girl is getting *relentlessly* bullied at school cause she’s a late bloomer….she’s miserable every day and hates her body an how “flat” she is Would you support her getting a BBL that young?

[@sub-harmonik]

parents should allow minors to drink, a bit

[@derusmares9508]

​@@Kurotama11no because no data or doctor would ever show that it's effective. The solution would be to change schools.

[@klemperal]

why are we making laws dictating what parents can do to their children?!? if a parent decides they want to molest their child...oh

[@Lyxtwa]

You left out the doctor and medical treatment. There is no medical organization that has evidence that molestation is an appropriate medical treatment for children.

[@andressantos9130]

i'm a little confused. is destiny doing a devil's advocate thing because in his other remarks on this topic he's seemed more skeptical

[@cappehnkrunch]

From what I've seen, he understands the concern honest people have with the trans stuff and that medical transitioning could reasonably be gatekept by being required to be part of a medical study as its also a societal good, but he absolutely shits on most conservatives because they're not honest, claiming to be for parental rights and getting the government out of people's lives while simultaneously trying to use the government to force their political view on decisions that are made in the minors best interest between a parent and their childs doctor.

[@StFido]

It’s different when the position “children transitioning is always good” versus “children shouldn’t be allowed to transition”, the first is usually given by lefties and Destiny will push back because the medical science isn’t all there and it’s really complicated, the second destiny will push back against for the reasons in this video. From what I’ve seen his position is much like he states in this video, it should be up the the child, the parent, their doctor, and their psychologist. If every one of those parties agrees the child is dysphoric (assuming they’re all behaving up to medical and ethical standards) then some kind of gender affirming care should be given. But conservatives will say no child should ever be given any level of care and lefties will say any child that even might be trans should be given, both positions are not defendable.

[@fifiadan]

@@cappehnkrunchNobody on the panel Is conservative so that’s just bad faith

[@cappehnkrunch]

@@fifiadan what does that have to do w what I said?

[@defaultname7685]

this kind of sweeping generalization is doing this country no favors @@cappehnkrunch

[@ELDENLORD89]

Nice to see Eric July being meek throughout most of the convo because he couldn’t take Destiny. They never can.

[@ryanunknown4181]

Please. yeah that’s why he ducks Ryan Dawson.

[@pinkaltercation]

​@@ryanunknown4181 nice alt dawson

[@ELDENLORD89]

@@ryanunknown4181 I see you just woke up from cryo sleep. There’s a Fresh and Fit episode that will shock you :3

[@OldBurnzy]

​​@@ryanunknown4181they had a debate on fnf a couple of weeks ago....

[@Kurotama11]

Since when was he out doing these discussion panels???? I’ve been following the dude for *years* and have never seen him do anything of the sort

[@TipTheScales27]

I’m on destiny’s side. All medical decisions need to be made with the child, parent and doctor (unless the parent is refusing life saving treatment). Plus gender surgery on a minor is extremely rare. I think there was only like 6 done last year. Doctors are very hesitant to do it. As long as the child and parent are 100% aware of all of the risks and side effects involved, more power to them!

[@herOhface]

1. Destiny is right 2. The USA won’t recover from this divide

[@Dan-xw8kx]

Destiny again can’t debate without his phone

[@kamii_999]

All he can do is speak fast and hope people didn't hear the bs 😂

[@liyanqil]

Lol and? You make no sense.

[@Orangejulius4414]

​@@kamii_999what BS are you referring to?

[@kamii_999]

@Orangejulius4414 usually when his mouth is open

[@Orangejulius4414]

@@kamii_999 okay so you're not gonna give an example?

[@SquirtlePower809]

I would LOVE to spend 10 minutes debating Destiny's. I would wreck his entire world.

[@cephas5053]

Bro create a KZbin channel and start growing. I’ll even support you if you really believe you can take on Destiny!!

[@SquirtlePower809]

@cephas5053 I have thought about it so many times, but I can't. In my profession it wouldn't end well if I were to be very public with my opinions. Which of course is a sign of liberal infestation. We no longer have free thought. Anyway, I'm not impressed with Destiny at all, and I know he would crumble against anyone with actual trained debate skills.

[@gvd72]

@@SquirtlePower809I’m not a destiny fanboy but anytime someone says that, then typically end up losing.

[@SquirtlePower809]

@gvd72 I don't understand why though? I'm seriously not even remotely impressed. I mean, he's not unintelligent or anything. But, I would understand no circumstance consider him an expert level debater. And I would know as I have multiple national titles for debate and train the best college debaters in America (my students won both 1st AND 2nd place last year). There are plenty of other commentators that I would struggle to debate- this guy is not one of them. Just curious, what do you find to be particularly great about his skills?

[@AngelCaroline9]

@@SquirtlePower809 How about debating him anonimously, like on his stream lives? I'm seriously itching to hear your thoughts! Also, is it your debate skills you're confident in or your views ?

[@almostnine372]

I'm a conservative and I follow Destiny!

[@zeex9338]

While I usually am behind Destiny on most topics because he uses basic logic but he really didn't look good in this debate. He kept bringing up "Why are you getting between me, my child, and the doctor's relationship and what i think is best for MY child." But he ultimately doesn't engage in their side very well either. People DO come out that situation regretting what they did when they were younger, and I can totally see this becoming a problem. They didn't really engage much in each other's points.

[@bronzee548]

He actually did address that towards the end.

[@zeex9338]

Addressing it is one thing. Actually responding with a proper answer is another. I myself would say we should be cautious when allowing kids to be turned trans, but thats cause i know the stupid shit i thought of when i was a kid.@@bronzee548

[@darkarokay8921]

He used this argument because he is highlighting people with no professional understanding of the topic are preventing medical intervention for actual ailments (That Amy said they accept exists), while they are simultaneously trying to say the government has no place in that relationship of parents/children/professional/society. You cant have both of those arguments at the same time as they are contradictory. The studies say under 1% regret the interventions, will that boundary remain for other medical interventions or issues youd defend?

[@Mant111]

Going by this logic the government should do nothing to tackle stuff like Munchausen by Proxy. After all that's just between the child/parents/doctor, right? Makes no sense. Deluded children can exist, bad parents can exist, and corrupt doctors definitely exist.

[@8020drummer]

I hope everybody who thinks destiny is a transphobe watches this

[@MrLebowski1980]

Destiny saying republicans banning insulin for children would be similiar to banning sex reassignment for children is FUCKING MORONIC beyond words.

[@markharrison6498]

It’s conceptually the same. Conservatives are still trying to prevent a child from receiving potentially life-saving medical treatment

[@Jonjy69]

Yeah, he's like this super brainiac when it comes to things on the left and progressives but when he starts talking about the right and conservatives he's just like the people he debates the left.

[@markharrison6498]

@@Jonjy69 it’s the opposite

[@Jonjy69]

@@markharrison6498 sure

[@markharrison6498]

@@Jonjy69 his arguments against leftists are highly emotional and irrational. He was arguing that IsraeI is right to blockade biscuits the other day because he thinks terrorists have the technology to turn them into rocket fuel.

[@ComicBookVault]

Love destiny but he’s wrong. 2% of the population isn’t trans. It’s way lower

[@Sr68720]

Destiny lost

[@simplybri3608]

Anyone who thinks children should medically transition should not be around children period

[@Hubin12]

Funniest part is the black guy complaining about using the school system to forcefully implement an ideology lmao.

[@Existential8Ball]

Literally the same arguments anti-Civil Rights advocates would make. "I just think we should tread carefully when using social or state coercion to address the whole integration problem. We are making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be."

[@BranoneMCSG]

He’s a massive hypocrite. The worst part is that he openly preached people having different views and not coming together on every issue but then in the same breath says that children aren’t capable of making rational decisions and therefore everyone should come together and vote for a government which decides what’s best for everyone. If he was consistent in his views about humans rights and the differences in peoples beliefs, then he would leave this up to the individuals rather than advocating for a collective sweeping decision to be made on everyone’s behalf.

[@FatherManus]

You guys care about race so much. Especially when someone of a certain race disagrees with you.

[@FatherManus]

@@Existential8Ball Grasping at straws. Ideologies being pushed in schools has always been a problem. First it was religion and now it’s left wing politics. The topic is children getting procedures they cant consent to. That has nothing to do with integrations.

[@Hubin12]

@@FatherManus I'm literally black dipshit, but nice try.

[@jasonschad5379]

"In the medical world things become politicized..." Self-Awarewolf moment....

[@hand230]

Just looking at that last comment, Doctors are paid on a salary, they don't get paid more for doing more surgeries, and in fact, they probably are incentivised to be more cautious about these sorts of things.

[@Taylor987-h8j]

As a general matter, Doctors are incentivised by pharmaceutical companies to medicalise patients, I thought everybody knew this.

[@cappehnkrunch]

@@Taylor987-h8j bruv, that's not even a word, let alone a verb

[@Dan16673]

Totally. Wrong. Im a med device engineer and work w docs constantly. More surgies = more money

[@bladeboysfv5646]

You need to actually sit there and have your child tell you whether he's gay or straight and you think that that's important for elementary school children to have graphic novels in their school libraries when parental advisory labels were required for music albums in the 90s how can Destiny act like he does online in DCFS has not taken his child why should your child's delusion be made as more important and significant than 98% of society

[@bladeboysfv5646]

Why should we have to tell our children & subject our children to your child delusion just so your child feels accepted under false pretense equivalent of a schizophrenic's delusions!

[@dkeelin]

Diabetes is not comparable to gender dysphoria

[@dawnkeyy]

In terms of who should be able to have a say in diagnosing it and treating it, it's totally comparable.

[@dkeelin]

@@dawnkeyy no it’s not. Diabetes is very concrete

[@dawnkeyy]

@@dkeelin Is it?

[@dkeelin]

@@dawnkeyy yes they just measure insulin levels

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@dawnkeyy so hypothetically, in ten years we could accurately diagnose GD to the degree we do with say cancer or diabetes , then you have no issue with transitioning correct? Because if you have no issue with that hypothetically, then yes the other guy is correct. If you do have an issue, then the issue has nothing to do with diagnosis and you have some other problem with it and are just obfuscation the issue.

[@J.JamesTheKid.]

Why do these conservatives not go after circumcision

[@daviddavidson6278]

Christians

[@parsleyisthicc]

Because that would imply they'll actually criticize their (((panhandlers)))

[@kooganh6276]

Crazy I’m sitting here cooking listening to Destiny get cooked 🤒

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

cooked? whenever destiny discussed a point they made, they dropped the point immediately and went to a new poiny

[@subjectivepersp1937]

Very unconvincing from destiny here. Looks like he's assmad from something earlier in the discussion?

[@destroyer841]

It’s amazing how blind destiny is on this subject. Literally so many logical fallacies back to back and nonstop. He usually presents sound arguments.

[@J.JamesTheKid.]

The Conservative Party’s the party of yelling headlines without any context.

[@ataraxia7439]

I completely support the idea that ppl are better at making decisions when they’re older than when they’re younger but not getting gender affirming care is still just a much a choice that can have serious negative repercussions as choosing to have gender affirming care. Growing boobs and hips and an adams apple and masculinized skull are things that can be somewhat adjusted as an adult at best & completely irreversible depending on your resources at worse. If I had a cisgender son (XY chromosomes, penis, etc) who started growing boobs and hips and would never fully grow like a normal guy due to some weird hormone quirk or mutation unless we got medication to stop it, it would be crazy for me to say “well my son says he hates the idea of growing boobs and hips and never expecting a regular male puberty, but if we stop it there’s a chance he’ll regret it in the future so let’s play it safe and not do anything”. You have to do an evidence based risk/reward calculation instead of just assuming no treatment is risk free.

[@MrRockapoodle72]

Oh shit destiny and rippa were debating each other!? I need more of this

[@wyattharrison5350]

This dude seriously tried to compare circumcision to a sex change? Just lost a lot of respect for destiny 🙄

[@Duckman1616]

Because you don't understand the point of a comparison?

[@MurasakiMonogatari]

​@@Duckman1616Because you don't understand that different medical procedures have drastically different outcomes? False equivalence much??😅

[@Duckman1616]

@@MurasakiMonogatari No one is saying the outcomes are the same, it's a comparison, not an equivalency.

[@SquishypuffDave]

Focusing on logic rather than vibes, his opponent had just argued against allowing gender reassignment for minors on the basis that it's an irreversible surgery. Destiny argued that circumcision is also an irreversible surgery, and therefore in order for that argument to hold you would also have to disallow circumcision of minors, otherwise you need a better argument. If you're focusing on vibes he seems to be arguing in favour of gender reassignment surgery for minors, but that never actually happens in this clip so I can't really determine where he stands on it. If I were to guess at Destiny's strategy here, he seems to have avoided taking the bait on the specifics of gender affirming care in order to focus on his broader objection to political interference in healthcare.

[@FatherManus]

Both are bad and should be banned, but obviously the sex change is far worse and more invasive.

[@dwamnationn]

Sorry destiny can’t get on board with your logic

[@Alisha1686]

I like Eric July. Hope to see him and Destiny debate

[@megatron111184]

He can show him the plot of Isom lol

[@bloodysolaire2168]

you a hater@@megatron111184

[@angryretailbanker5103]

@@megatron111184 As a superhero writer, it pains me to see someone who is primarily a political commentator use that as a crutch to justify his third-rate superhero comic. It pains me even worse to see someone with as little intelligent things to say as Eric July. His contribution to this conversation could have been achieved just as well by putting a potato with a sign that says "Isom #2 on sale now!" in that chair.

[@sebastianpizxa1553]

@@angryretailbanker5103🎻🎻

[@lancevance6346]

@@angryretailbanker5103 You guys mald out about people making the same old "he lets his wife F other men" comments but have no issues writing your own insecure ramblings just because destiny is debating someone. Grow up.

[@shedshitley]

if guests had to prove they could pat their head and rub their belly at the same time in order to appear on this show it'd be out of business in a week

[@kezicss]

7 million trans people in the US? You are out of your mind 🤣

[@jb31969]

7 million is high but I'm willing to bet people who self ID and larp as trans dwarfs the people who actually have gender dysmorphia, by several orders of magnitude.

[@lancevance6346]

There's a lot of trans-trenders and social contagion cases. Nowhere near all of them have actual dysphoria.

[@maxsmith8196]

Heck i might start watching womens sports in that is the case

[@dkeelin]

The sexual orientation question was irrelevant

[@AgentSeventyOne]

I think she got her words mixed up. Probably meant to say why ask an underaged kid their gender ID (probably just as dumb lol).

[@AgentSeventyOne]

ok just watched it again, I don't think she mixed up her words lol

[@farlanghn]

7:35 "I have never heard people cry about circumcision." I am against circumcision Destiny is the only one who got heated here.

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

congratulations for having a single reasonable take. now tell me more about how you want to ban transitioning for everyone.

[@farlanghn]

@@opensocietyenjoyer you can’t transition. It is impossible.

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

@@farlanghn you can take hormones and do surgery which makes you indistinguishable from the desired sex (except if you do a dna test). so yes, transitioning does exist

[@gvd72]

Most conservatives don’t make a big deal out of circumcision. I’ve never seen conservatives make documentaries or KZbin videos or protests about it like they do with trans stuff.

[@farlanghn]

@@opensocietyenjoyer Cutting your genital's off does not mean you have "transitioned" because it is impossible. Take your religious beliefs to someone else. I am not drinking the kool aid.

[@gosias751]

My parents and Sister are medical dr. Men are men women are 😂women

[@ricorico5664]

There just flat out correct destinys so weird like just fucking wait til there 18 bro 🤦🏻‍♂️💀

[@x1cryptic1x]

why does it matter if its less than 1 percent you should not be making that decision as a child

[@n1trotdolcntro961]

Sweden released its long-awaited guidelines for the care of gender-dysphoric youth. These guidelines represent a major departure from the WPATH "Standards of Care," and are a vital step towards safeguarding vulnerable youth from medical harm. Sweden’s new guidelines emphasize that gender-dysphoric youth will continue to receive care. However, health care for gender dysphoria is no longer reduced to “hormones and surgeries.” The recommendations now call out a key role for psychiatric and psychosocial services. The guidelines assert that based on current evidence, the risks of hormonal interventions outweigh the possible benefits. Thus, these interventions (often referred to as "gender-affirming care") will not be available outside of research settings, except as "last-resort." Sweden is realigning with the classic “Dutch Protocol” model, where only early childhood-onset gender dysphoria cases will be considered for hormones and surgeries. Those with post-puberty onset of trans identity will not be candidates for hormones/surgeries as minors. The guidelines highlight the unexplained rapid rise in trans identification in youth, especially teenage girls. They also note the worrying rise of detransitioners & regretters, which contradicts prior estimates of "low regret." They cite Littman 2021. Individuals Treated for Gender Dysphoria with Medical and/or Surgical Transition Who Subsequently Detransitioned: A Survey of 100 Detransitioners - Archives of Sexual BehaviorThe study’s purpose was to describe a population of individuals who experienced gender dysphoria, chose to undergo medical and/or surgical transition and then detransitioned by discontinuing medicatio…link.springer.com/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w The guidelines also note the lack of knowledge about how to treat "non-binary" youth (the predominant presentation today). They assert that access to medical interventions should be based on the presence of gender dysphoria, rather than the presense of a transgender identity. Sweden is centralizing its gender care for minors to a few centers for highly specialized care. Individual clinics and private providers will not be allowed to provide "gender-affirming" services. The guidelines express concern that little advance in quality knowledge has occurred since "gender-affirming" interventions were first recommended in Sweden in 2015, and that generally, little is known about how to best care for gender-dysphoric youth. In summary, Sweden has changed direction because of a lack of evidence to support medical interventions for gender-dysphoric minors. A new emphasis has been placed on psychiatric care and psychosocial support. Hormonal interventions for minors will be highly restricted.

[@terrytrollface]

Thanks chatgpt

[@jordanpolo5392]

I love every conspiracy theorist thinks Doctors are these evil money hungry crooks. But will go to random health gurus who say sea salt rocks are great for hypertension when researchers literally recommend people with hypertension should reduce salt intake.

[@jordanpolo5392]

@@zeroz82 2

[@cephas5053]

@@jordanpolo53922 booster shots? You have no idea what you’re talking about hope you realize this 😂😅

[@ChronicDreamer1st]

False equivalency’s by destiny and then he dodges the issue of child consent very weak performance here for those paying attention

[@trevoravery9270]

its called 'pulling a Destiny'.

[@TotalWater-d2o]

*"[60-90% of the who identify as transgender will outgrow it]"* - These figures are correct and reflect those who purport to be transgender WITHOUT delineating between those that received gender affirming care (that's a subset that isnt elaborated on and if you wanted to claim the data wasnt applicable to them you'd need evidence). See the following meta-analysis: NCBI: "Gender dysphoria in adolescence: current perspectives" "the numbers for the people who begin treatment even prior to 8 years old and then desist out of that treatment is less than 1%" These figures are factually inaccurate as they do no support the claim Destiny is trying to make. What Destiny is alluding to is a single study out of Sweden pertaining to 'regret' concerning gender transition surgery: a) The study is limited to analysis of legal applications only (it ignores all purportedly transgender people who did not submit these applications). b) The study infers regret based on whether the individuals submitted a separate request to withdraw their initial application (it ignores all purportedly transgender individuals who were unsatisfied with the results but did not submit a withdrawal form).

[@ricorico5664]

Nah facts they are just flat out right … U DO NOT NEED TO BE HAVING ANY OF THESE CONVOS WITHHHHH YOURRRRR CHILDDDD atleast until they are an adult … destiny is weird asf 😐

[@darkarokay8921]

You understand relationships are present everywhere in society right? You understand most kids actually will go to their parents with their problems, especially about feelings/relationships/sexual questions, right? And if youre a dogshit parent that isnt open to answering those questions they will seek out the answers anyway with different people/sources. Conservatives are just terrible parents.

[@relaxed8365]

I hope you have a kid one day, just so that once he reaches 18 you sit down to talk to them and realize they've become a complete schizoid serial killer 😂

[@ricorico5664]

@@relaxed8365 says the wierdo who talks to children about se***uality lmao I already have 2 one of them is off to college this year and my other is starting high school we are religious people over here we had the conversation 1 time and that was it and we didn’t have to get into if they are a male or female cos they already know wassup this is what I mean when there’s some conversations u don’t need to have with ur child when u raise them correctly

[@relaxed8365]

@@ricorico5664 Damn bro, you kids are already developed enough at 12 years old to have children? I guess people really have changed.

[@ricorico5664]

@@relaxed8365 wish I was 12 but thanks for the compliment I guess

[@Rowe104]

Destiny is wrong. All those laws r actually to strengthen parents ability to decide medical treatment for their children and make sure they aren’t so easily sucked into this gender clinics. And a lot of these kids being put on this stuff is confused autistic kids. It’s one thing to allow ur son dress in skirts cuz he identifies that way, but then to allow him at 13 to cut off his penis… we don’t think that’s a tad extreme. And if he is suffering from gender dysphoria and suicidal ideation- shouldn’t we first try therapy first? Imagine a 14-15 year old girl begging her parents for a boob job cuz other girls have developed and she hasn’t and it’s making her suicidal. I think we would all agree that it’d be wrong to allow that at such a young age and that therapy should be done first. Hell- I’m a paraplegic and back in 2010 when I was trying to an electric stimulator for my spine- they first had me go thru therapy to ensure that I was mentally fit

[@Snuzzled]

Nobody is getting bottom surgery at 13. Stop consuming propoganda.

[@pend8484]

Destiny is wrong here. He is taking the pure libertarian position that the government should not have any say in this matter, only the child + parent + doctor. But that is never the whole situation, we are highly social animals. Should children be allowed to get tattoos? Where do we draw the line? Should incest be allowed if all parties agree to it? It is only between the parent and the child right? I agree that most things should remain in the private sphere to have precedence over any government involvement, but there are points where we as a society step in and say that there should be intervention.

[@126644]

It's absolutely wild that you're comparing health care to child to incest.

[@tulaloo6526]

I watched this and it is evident to me that Destiny is bored to tears and getting irritated with all of this. Destiny should not waste his time in these pretty girl panels, there's no real intelligent discussion and it obviously bores him.

[@jasonwhite6463]

Right wingers must go to a mechanic when they get a toothache and to a dentist when their car makes a funny noise.

[@beasley_unborn6729]

theyre definitely not sending their kids to $_$ eyed doctors to get their balls chopped off

[@daviddawes293]

I know right.. only non professionals are able to give the best advice..

[@AveSequoia]

why?

[@Mpacitto]

Mechanics never lie to you for ulterior motives? No one believes you don't believe all experts, and if they do, they are not in the conversation. the argument is you don't trust experts just because they are an expert. My doctor told my wife she didn't have a concussion after a car accident because she never hit her head. I think the problem is there are reasonable arguments that are made by smart nuanced people, but many people take an over simplified view and make it black and white

[@jasonwhite6463]

@@Mpacitto Really?!?! 1. My comment was not about how trustworthy mechanics are. 2) Of course right wingers (in the trump era) disbelieve all experts. That is why they have mounted crusades against books and colleges and disregard the words of subject matter experts for someone like trump. 3) Of course even experts are human so they get things wrong. That does not mean an inaccurate medical diagnosis pushes you to get medical advice from reddit. You should consult a different physician. 4) It is black and white bcuz we can hear it with our own lying ears. The transition has happened right before our eyes.

[@meatpuppet311]

Destiny don't always talking about your child, people also talking about their own child. Look at California

[@dm_1236]

8:17 Destiny lost against the African American guy. You can’t argue that something irreversible should be allowed to happen to children. What if as a parent I don’t want to vaccinate my child? Should that be allowed? Or not send them to school? The harms and benefits should be weighed before the government interferes.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

I thought Eric (African guy) wasn't able to contest Steven' callout on circumcision.

[@schwifty148]

Just watched a RIchard Dawkins conversation where they said that they don't believe gender dysphoria exists... I think a lot of conservatives don't

[@ricorico5664]

Lol not destiny trying to make that point that less than 1% try to go reverse it …. AFTER SAYING ONLY 2% OF AMERICANS ARE TRANS 💀💀💀 IM DEADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD😂😂😂

[@napalmsticks6494]

Destiny can be good in debates but why did he let them get away with so much bullshit, no child is getting castrated, you need to be 18 to get those surgeries. He is a good debater i just wish he was more educated on these topics.

[@fifiadan]

Quick google search says you are wrong a non zero ammount of children have gone through it

[@SaraTBV]

​@@fifiadanthese people never take time to research anything they talk about

[@doug6839]

Big L for our girl destiny. It's not just a medical operation.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Right, it's not an operation at all. People under 18 don't get to have surgery. So they were arguing over a fairy tale.

[@bigdaddylee2011]

exactly! I thought I was trippin for second. I just feel like this should be common sense. needed insulin for your type 1 diabetes and gender reassignment surgery are on far opposite ends of the spectrum. This was a definite L for our girl.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

@@bigdaddylee2011 definitely on different ends of the spectrum! Which is why nobody under 18 is getting considered for any sort of gender reassignment surgeries. So that's a dumb point.

[@bigdaddylee2011]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421 ok we can even use the example in the video. type 1 diabetes and chemical castration are on opposite ends of the spectrum. better?

[@darkarokay8921]

Maybe you didnt parse the arguments being presented...They were saying medical interventions and treatments cant be done on minors because they dont understand the repercussions of the future and they have right that adults shouldnt decide that risk for them...That means ALL medical interventions shouldnt be done on minors because there is no possibility of consent, so that does mean diabetic interventions, kidney surgery, really any surgery is significant treatment. Operations and insulin are indeed different, but both under their argument would need to cease if they remain consistent. @@bigdaddylee2011

[@Comisioned]

Just leave kids alone.

[@nickhopwood4233]

Destiny getting real close to arguing against age of consent laws here

[@oyah999]

didn't a whole bunch of european countries ban transitioning for minors recently cuz of health concerns lol

[@fatherlucid4995]

Destiny is making false equivalencies

[@luiscuba9188]

Please list them with the specific bias

[@ermerk]

Destiny looks good, You can tell she's been working out

[@JayPrim-bh8on]

CONVERSION THERAPY IS A MUST FOR MY CHILDREN

[@TheErtybgh]

Destiny is so brain dead on the trans issue. Anyone under 18 should not be allowed to transition or take drugs that have serious permanent side effects. Period.

[@sjkdsfsdf52]

that's the dumbest take anyone could make, any drugs so any medical treatment?

[@TheErtybgh]

@sjkdsfsdf52 do all drugs permanently sterilize you? Cause you to end up being under developed? And for no reason other than vanity? Grow up

[@alayhaferron1972]

@@sjkdsfsdf52you should re-read. They said drugs with serious side effects. Not all drugs.

[@sjkdsfsdf52]

all drugs has side effects. it is up to the doctor and the parent to decide whether the risk out ways the benifits not the goverment :) @@alayhaferron1972

[@takeshikovach5165]

No period. It's for their parents to decide.

[@User28870]

Conservatives love big government when it suits their interests.

[@JBTFan124]

I feel like Destiny always pulls out this Libertarian argument about parents with Trans kids and completely ignores that schools are teaching kids about gender identity and sexuality without parents consent and are actively helping kids with their gender identities without their parents consent. You can't have it both ways. If a parent thinks transitioning their child is a good idea. Cool. That also means the government should respect a parent that doesn't want their 8 year old taught gender identity.

[@daviddavidson6278]

Any argument about trans representation in society is separate from any individual trans person. He is arguing about the ability for people to be trans. He can’t talk about all facets of the issue all at once.

[@JBTFan124]

@daviddavidson6278 No he isn't. He's talking about why the republican argument for blanket bans on transitioning for children is anti libertarian, ignoring the fact that it's only half of the argument. I've never heard him speak up about schools (aka the government) thinking they know better than parents when they are pro transitioning. It's two sides of the same coin and should be talked about holistically.

[@tedmarley4341]

Which school is that? You full of BS.

[@chrisnorris9844]

Honestly that point at the end is super weak. He is taking that 1% that get the surgery undone from the whole of trans people. But the number of trans people that get surgery is less than 20%. So that 1% is really 5% to 12% of people who get surgery regret it.

[@Yetinokles]

Source?

[@SquirtlePower809]

Because Destiny-- cutting up your child and sterilizing them is NOT HEALTHCARE it is literally a crime that should end up with life in prison.

[@smokej2388]

Destiny was destroyed in this one

[@mattw9446]

Rare L take from Destiny on this one. Ain’t no way a child should be changing his/her gender. This is worlds different from a standard operation like a circumcision. I’m surprised he would even say that nonsense…

[@Amick2003]

He’s had this take for years dawg.

[@mattw9446]

@@Amick2003 Then he's been holding that L for years

[@XSRVX_01]

They act like children dont have feelings. No one (or atleast no one should be) saying that the child can make their own decisions. Thats why the parent and the psychologist is involved

[@nubzz]

Transitioning children with hormones and surgery, with as little data as we have had on the consequences of such tells me it's not about money necessarily but about legalized experimentation. Destiny's argument on this is bad. If decisions on a childs welfare should only be between the parent, the child and a doctor, what other wacky crap could happen?

[@Axolotlian]

Sadly as we all know politicians want what's best for children at all times and are in no way just trying to get votes from their base that's largely uneducated on the specifics of scientific rigor. No way could a government banning treatments that even if I want to be charitable to the other side are debatable granting everything the other side questions is true. Using science and supposed facts have never been politicized ever in American history. Clearly only one side of the aisle cares about empirical data and the other doesn't other side is ontologically evil and only want to harm children and trans people. Humans should of never left the caves could be monsters outside.

[@Caesar2001]

My point of view is simple give people actual freedom if you're a real progressive. Let people who believe in the pride flag have their own classes where they send their children to and let the others choose not to. Simple as that congratulations nobody is forcing anthing on each other and we all don't have to see any more trans headlines in our news feed. Man I'm so tired of these social topics of conversation they're so boring and unintresting and ulitmately you learn nothing because you always come with an already predetermined agenda to the table.

[@ricorico5664]

That lady was right 🤷🏻‍♂️… shouldn’t be talking to your child about his or her s****uality nvm transitioning them at a young age 💀🤦🏻‍♂️ let them figure that out when they are an adult . There is Some things ppl can an should figure out on there own and not have some weirdos in there ear telling them how it should be done

[@darkarokay8921]

"We are mandating youre not allowed to listen to your kid, learn who they are, asking them clarification questions, what they are interested in and ignore any friendships in the event you may discover their sexuality or notice a trend" Smart bruh.

[@deponensvogel7261]

You will be fucked up, if you start figuring out your sexuality when you're of age.

[@ricorico5664]

@@darkarokay8921 bruh none of that has to do with talking to them about there se***uality at a young all that can still happen with out letting ur child chop there shit off or make changes that are barely reversible what are u even talking about bruh ? Like I said there’s some things that should just be left alone and that’s one of em … go make that decision when ur an adult other than that ur parents and a doctor shouldn’t be telling u what’s best for ur sex***** uality while ur a child

[@darkarokay8921]

1.) The fact that you cant even type sexuality means youre incredibly immature, be an adult. 2.) Kids talk about, ask about they sexuality, their orientation, their likes, their problems, their concerns, their fears. They are literally discovering the world in front of your eyes as a parent (if you pay attention, seemingly many dont). You are pretending parents are trapping the kids and interrogating them and then doing good cop bad cop with a doctor to cut their dicks off. There are protocols in place to make best sure it isnt a phase, there is a diagnosis, there are requirements, there are years are therapy before any steps are taken for even blockers. Surgery is incredibly incredibly rare. Yall conservatives are so scared to talk and listen to what your kids are feeling and saying that you are quite literally pushing them into the arms of people who you dont trust, dont know and more likely to hurt your kid. Grow up.@@ricorico5664

[@gvd72]

@@ricorico5664Why can’t you just say sexuality? Why censor it? You write like a child.