Destiny Goes On The Defense In An Intensely Heated Debate ft. Sneako

Destiny debates Sneako on covid, voting and the Ukraine war...
Date: 12 Jul, 2022
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[@Guitarmaster7272]

Dude went from "The government is tracking your phone all the time" to "We should have a voting app for every individual issue" in like 20 seconds.

[@acason4]

💯

[@TrankDuo7]

You could make the same argument for Destiny's POV. He said the government couldn't just break into your phone (i.e. Apple/FBI), but then said a data engineer would easily be able to change votes. The government is full of people like that single data engineer.

[@navinmathew848]

@@TrankDuo7 i think destiny's argument was that it is harder to change a lot of votes on a paper ballot one by one, than it is to change something that is on a database. Obviously updating a database will require the right permissions, and will surely leave a log on what the update was and who made the update. I my opinion, there is room for a lot of things to go wrong from the client side of things rather than when the vote reaches the db. (user's downloading the wrong app, Man in the middle attack, etc etc ). Although inefficient and not as accessible as a mobile app for voting, paper ballots are the way to go for the time being, because tampering on paper ballots on a large scale requires a lot of coordination.

[@avacadocap9591]

😂

[@andrewcox5873]

@@TrankDuo7 the government is not full of people who can break into your phone, apple is

[@Visitant69]

This guy is the prime example of being confidently wrong.

[@Osiris2134]

Well if your gonna do something you might as well do it with confidence right? This includes being wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@avacadocap9591]

@@Osiris2134 🤣

[@gokuspride7440]

Ya but so is destiny

[@Shad0wack]

You are a prime example of getting your opinions handed to you by destiny

[@nicememes7570]

@@Shad0wack cope crybaby "adhd isn't real" - reminder this is the guy in your corner

[@gobtheglob7449]

this debate really shows that winning a debate over a smart person is hard but winning one over a dumb person is impossible

[@grahamdayam3693]

no it's not impossible. It's just hard. It's only impossible to beat a person who doesn't care.

[@kc_h7h]

@@grahamdayam3693 a dumb person is unwilling to change his mind. Like a famous philosopher (plato) once said" " wise men speak because they have something to say. fools because they have to say something"

[@grahamdayam3693]

@@kc_h7h well I’ve just heard the saying that beating a person who doesn’t care the true impossible challenge.

[@pointlessspike3016]

I don't think it does, because Destiny absolutely schooled him, as anyone would have.

[@scottwill19]

Anytime someone implies that the government has a room where people can pull up a live feed of your messages and posts is ridiculous and no debate should be had. If that were true Sneako wouldn’t be able to have these conversations and he would probably be brought in and regularly interrogated over his constant Nazi speak.

[@macwiley3484]

Sneako is the definition of a person who changes topics when doesn’t have a point

[@shanedsouza189]

The Steven Crowder strategy

[@906AKORN]

Or saying “you’re triggered bro” an other immature bs to weasel out.

[@eigna8914]

Repubs and redpills

[@acason4]

Exactly.

[@Warsong16]

Exactly why every sentence shat out his mouth is a completely different idea or pointless statement

[@codeinetcetera]

destiny's points were so satisfying and comprehensive, and then sneako be like "chat what you think"

[@Narcissistic_Penguin]

And then 0.25 seconds later be like “what I think is…”

[@tarkus9820]

W or L?

[@OneAndZer0]

FR, why in the world would you trust your own fans to not mostly be yes men is insane to me.

[@SoapSoapCrayon]

Literal echo chamber, just waiting for his chat to agree with him so he can get some validation.

[@Garudan0804]

malayali ano 😳?

[@extofer]

“Why educate yourself on anything. It doesn’t do anything. I didn’t educate myself and look at me” That’s my takeaway from this guy.

[@KumoriFox]

This takeaway is perfect

[@acason4]

👌🏻

[@itstoogooditswaytoogood3211]

36:18

[@avacadocap9591]

🤣

[@jerrickmarques8777]

@GedáOw He was referring to all the "researching" he had to do for canvassing and then crying because he didn't end up winning.

[@xdef1ne]

man it’s so good to finally see someone like Sneako be put in his place.

[@smutgod6125]

Sneako w

[@2isjesus957]

@@smutgod6125 👶🤓

[@jooniebewatchin]

@@smutgod6125 he embarrassed himself. Especially the second half.

[@chungusamongus69]

@@smutgod6125 sneako L on this one

[@darksalt4570]

@@chungusamongus69 he is a L

[@JVAN4L]

13:52 “W or L on Voting”💀 sneako is a bot bro theres no way hes real

[@ShinobiDaNinja]

Dude this kid is hooked up to literally every single conspiracy in the world holy shit lol

[@andrewcox5873]

The funniest part is I get the impression that this guy didn’t even know shit about the conspiracies he was spouting. His understanding of the world felt so surface level than probably even his conspiracy knowledge is surface level

[@komlat253]

I hope people don't give him money.I'd cry .

[@bignut3348]

Thanks Joe Rogan

[@lawrencespoo3965]

Dude straight up, a good 10% of the country just believes every conspiracy in order to feel smart. The saddest thing about this guy is how unique he isn't.

[@thurnishaley6649]

Sneako is a full-on fuckboy philosopher. Dude has publicly ruined his relationship twice by cheating and then tried to gaslight his girlfriends into believing they previously agreed to have open relationships. He is marginally smarter than most people but he is not even close to as smart as he thinks he is.

[@UnionJames]

I'm taking real comfort knowing that people who take this guy seriously won't vote

[@jerrickmarques8777]

Non-voters usually have dogshit opinions anyways. Good-hearted people and might have some valid concerns, but stupid nonetheless.

[@Urmom-gm1oy]

Idk if people who watch this guy are old enough to vote

[@nic_aya]

@@Urmom-gm1oy you’re very correct on that

[@beef458]

@@RCKola281 have fun in school tomorrow!

[@RCKola281]

@@beef458 What makes you think I'm in school?

[@kurokamithe7th900]

Holy shit my respect for Destiny went up so high! Holding this conversation and articulating every point so clearly without ever starting a screaming match is very impressive.

[@blake9668]

Destiny was unnecessarily emotional throughout the interview and he used several straw men ( which in his defense likely resulted from Sneako not properly articulating his position), but needless to say neither of them did a good job. Sneako didn't prepare, and Destiny got too emotional as the interview progressed.

[@kurokamithe7th900]

@@blake9668 Destiny was too emotional? naah and I think youre reachin with the strawman lol Destiny did pretty good I wouldnt say he did poorely

[@happycrimson]

@@blake9668 lmfao at destiny getting "too emotional". people really just say anything man.

[@mracc4240]

@@blake9668 when was he "too emotional"? give us a timestamp

[@blake9668]

@@happycrimson You must be new here. I've seen him debate better elsewhere.

[@xjaygumix4889]

Sneako can't ever be wrong lmao The pauses after destiny makes a good point kills me💀

[@mightymane2598]

I actually think this convo was super good for Destiny. Destiny really kept his cool and argued every point really well!

[@leonardodavinci7524]

He was playing Minecraft on side that's not even 25% of destiny's.

[@agenttomato116]

Mk

[@abshaheen5713]

Destiny was hiding his power level for sure

[@Ryoats86]

@@leonardodavinci7524 i wonder what his final form is.🤔

[@leonardodavinci7524]

@@Ryoats86 he take a L on one of they debate with vaush.

[@agking50]

This guy consistently has the "huh, I didn't think of that" face when Destiny is explaining him stuff

[@SirFingerLickin]

It's pretty clear this guy hasn't thought about... anything particularly deeply.

[@tehcrazGaming]

But that's a good thing. It means it's going to stick in his head. Might not be an immediate change but those 'huh, didn't consider that' moments stick with people.

[@khalidhatim7035]

Not everybody is constantly thinking about bs like this, believe it or not, some people have a life

[@tigerfestivals5137]

He probably didn't "think of that", which is probably why he kept pivoting and going on tangents the second he was stumped

[@woosh2055]

@@khalidhatim7035 It's definitely not bs.

[@Yoso_tv]

"I think voting is useless, it doesn't matter" "chat W or L"

[@alleyway]

The entire conversation on that matter can be pretty much summed up into if you believe in the existence of a “deep state” or not. And I think it’s pretty naive to think that the president is deep at all. I think it’s ridiculous to claim that any individual has an effect on the outcome of any political race when there’s a perpetual majority that will be captured by manufactured consent. Consent you will never have any control in qualifying because that consent was paid for with amounts of money 99.999999% will never see let alone control. It’s obviously more complex, dynamic, and contextual but for instance, the federal reserve is much more of a global mover than any president both domestically and globally. Fintech is such a vastly underreported and misunderstood global phenomena with extremely far reaching consequences, which IMO is by design. Like yeah let’s just overlook the fact that the greatest transfer of wealth in history happened during (and IMO a result of) Covid. Destiny’s comment on the increase of inflation being a result of stimulus is pretty dense when we’ve had media blackout regarding the trillions being given to a few centralized financial institutions through the repo market. Inflationary markets make assets king and that’s exactly what the majority of people don’t have. The vast majority of people have currency which has been continually stripped of its relative purchasing power every year since the conception of fractional reserve lending and corporate hand/ bailouts. No shot Squeezo or whatever tf buddies name is was going there with it but I don’t ever hear Destiny considering that angle when it’s arguably the single most important thing to bring up when discussing politics at both a domestic and global scale.

[@idkidc878]

Literal brainless

[@gSWG3R]

Unbelievable levels of stupid hey.

[@eli-ct5ny]

LMAO I didn't even catch that

[@AG-rz3ez]

I used to watch sneako when he was a kid. He was slightly pessimistic and a little controversial, but incredibly rational, creative and introspective. He was mature in a lot of ways for someone his age. Sneako nowadays is completely crazy and irrational. Not sure if it’s an act or he just lost his mind.

[@icantpursuewhatimtrulypass7335]

I don’t get it either, his “how people view you”, “20 years old” and “everybody has something” videos came at a great time and really resonated with me. Later he just became more and more of an asshole and forgot about thinking about the things he would say

[@grotoy123]

Thanks for mentioning that! I feel exactly the same way. At one point, seeing many clips of Sneako putting forth illogical propositions, I wondered whether this Sneako was different content creator.

[@justafella69]

Probably his age and fame. Most people are more radical in their early/mid 20s. Level out as they get older.

[@AlphabeticalNugget]

When he was actually smart and rational he was just a regular kid, then he found success through KZbin and became out of touch. Now his thoughts and opinions don't matter because he's a millionaire and that's all that matters to him.

[@icantpursuewhatimtrulypass7335]

@@AlphabeticalNugget some of his views were always very dumb though, he genuinely admired mr beast for making content that got him a shit ton of views regardless of whether he wanted to make that content. Back then already being succesfull was something he obsessed about

[@JoeJoe-ju3zi]

Sneako literally just changes the subject whenever destiny completely dismantles any argument he states

[@jerrickmarques8777]

To a conspiracy theorist, it's all connected. The deeper they get into it, the more alarming it looks, and they never bother looking into the credibility of any of it.

[@Ryattt81]

The confidence this kid has, while giving vapid surface level doomer takes that usually only work on 14 year olds is astonishing to me.

[@pauliePwalnuts]

Well, he's young and has probably passed up everyone he knows already with his social and asset gains. I think young arrogance is one of the worst traits, but if they are successful, then its a pretty logical mindset to have. It's worked well so far for him, so there's no incentive to change. Don't know who he is, and I am just speaking on the mindset that someone young and self-made might logically have, but these are rare exceptions. Most cocky youth have nothing to show for it.

[@mgm8075]

his old content used to be so much better but even his fans are starting to point out his fall off. 2020 took a toll on him and he's become a parrot of surface-level conspiracy takes and nihlistic thinking. It's just constant "everything is pointless and anyone leaning left is bad". luckily he's 24 so he should get better

[@josh-hg1qo]

@@mgm8075 he’s been saying the same “misogynistic “ stuff since 2015

[@mgm8075]

@@josh-hg1qo yeah but he was much more introspective and spoke on a broader range of topics, now it's all red pill stuff.

[@marcsman07]

"Surface level doomer takes" is a really apt description.

[@kojiegner9789]

Sneako when you prove him wrong on every subject -"it's cause your white!," -"who did 9/11," -"chat is this W or L,"

[@TheTiredhermit]

It’s funny cause he was talking about how blacks hate Asians apparently and this time he’s saying “it’s cause you’re WHYTE”

[@mikelitorous5570]

SNEAKO is the kind of guy to watch only one side’s opinions and then try and debate those opinions when you don’t know the opinions of the other side but your opponent does

[@smutgod6125]

But u are gay and wrong

[@kanir3174]

nick fuentes brainwashed him

[@L0neSiPh0n]

I love how this guy's "argument" is literally asking vague questions like "You trust the government?" so that he can imply to his audience "Hah, see guys? He trusts the government" without having to argue a single actual thing. As if that proved anything whatsoever.

[@ryansiekert877]

Right. His whole deal is he says something really loud and sounds indignant, and you're expected to agree and repeat it.

[@SkeleTonHammer]

Dumb people with no arguments often use their own incredulity as the entire argument. It's painful to watch.

[@AfroDevil]

@@SkeleTonHammer Most leftist.

[@nikolastiscareno4963]

Well I think he was actually trying to see why destiny did which destiny did do and wasn’t just trying to appeal to his audience however he did approach them on their thoughts idk what his chat was saying but I guess if they are all black pilled maybe

[@L0neSiPh0n]

@@AfroDevil LoL what

[@thorhlavaty8345]

This was a great conversation. It always felt like Destiny was seconds away from actually getting through to this guy, which is rare. I hope they talk again, maybe Sneako will get less nihilistic.

[@MichelangeloBeats]

I like listening to destiny cause he settles down my own nihilistic takes a bit

[@Oppenheimer1967]

Nothing wrong with nihilism. It’s inevitable with increases in scientific literacy.

[@rumbleizer]

@@Oppenheimer1967 cmon dude, find your own purpose in life! the issue with nihilism isnt that its necessarily wrong, its that its inherently useless (and arguably, a little dangerous) to maintain as a life philosophy.

[@williamcozart8158]

I didn't get the impression anything Destiny said to him really "got through".

[@andregoncalves4365]

@@rumbleizer It doesn't have to serve as purpose that's the whole point right? If someone relates more to that philosophy there isn't much more one can do except try to be more open to others. I think nihilism gets a bad rep from all the edgelords, it can be quite conforting in knowing that your mistakes won't have a significant impact in the grand scheme of things and that you can just live for the sake of living (you can always go towards a more pessimistic route, which may not be as advisable)

[@ThinkAbstract]

If you're a young impressionable young man and want to follow Sneako's advice, just watch this video and decide if this person's logic will help you in life.

[@ayomalikmusik]

Destiny definitely earned a new follower in me.. I was kinda leaning towards sneako’s mindset before this and you dismantled all his points with facts and grace. That was some great debating

[@Theworldisyouroyster156]

If you continue to watch Destiny debates you’ll see that he does that quite often. He is very intelligent and skilled also thinks extremely quickly on his feet.

[@kanir3174]

me too

[@notsarthakkumar]

Already seen this " debate " , its painful to see sneako pivoting to a new topic everytime destiny shafted him on a particular topic. + The anti-establishment thinking of a random facebook article by a moron is way more credible to him than scientific research by people who dedicate thier whole lives to learning and experimenting. Just painful to watch this one , but also a little fun .

[@brennanbarber7469]

“It’s just- I don’t know…what do you think, chat?”

[@jerrywheyland7324]

Somebody should ask him why he trusts the car salesman that his car isn't going to fail. Or individual factory workers that they didn't fuck up, or the engineers that designed it. Anti establishment conspiracy nuts are probably the most exhausting to talk to. Meanwhile, even broad popular support on twitter and the like is empowering european governments to support Ukraine despite the risk of economic peril. If the majority of people were against supporting Ukraine, Kiev would be flattened by now and we'd enjoy cheap gas/oil. Politicians want to be re-elected. Fucking super pro-nuclear Merkel 180°d on Nuclear power after Fukushima because she wanted to be re-elected.

[@iwannabethekid34xc]

What debate did you watch? This guy fucking devastated Des(tiny).

[@frasermcardle4776]

It was meant to be an interview not a debate I believe

[@notsarthakkumar]

@@iwannabethekid34xc next level copium

[@Solidus__]

I can't believe this is a real conversation. This guy knows the surface level of every idea he's got floating around in his tiny brain.

[@PacifistBetaFish]

Populist brain thrives at the surface level

[@meatloafmen]

Him having surface level knowledge of anything is incredibly generous.

[@drewrobitaille7989]

And the fact that he called Destiny a sheep was f*cking the most ironic shit ever

[@kamahhl]

@@drewrobitaille7989 Believe it, as I've said before, I've had convos like this with coworkers, it is more "normal" than ppl think.

[@draunt7]

Don't be so judgemental. This is the majority of the Country. Frankly, he's more plugged in that most.

[@jamesreintar3412]

An hour of an Adult dragging a 15 year old by the ear and explaining consequences and responsibility. Lovely.

[@bobjenkins4925]

30 minutes in I'm like, 'WOW, this guy is wrong on basically everything! If he got his positions via a random number generator then they'd be better than this'

[@ryanforman8208]

Destiny's patience in this is great. He recognized immediately that this was an education scenario and not an elimination. There were a few times where Sneako almost got walked to the end of the road successfully, but just had to retaliate performatively when he realized the sun was too bright. I hold nothing against him tho. Sure the overdramatic indignation, nihilism and pure ignorance (no offence) to the way the world works was funny/ cringey, but I can sense the very real frustration at feeling like shit is rigged and totally understand how a person could come to similar conclusions. Destiny dropped all of the gems to be obtained but my man could not see the forest for the trees. He's young and needs time to grow. simple😁

[@colamity_5000]

You hit a point of diminishing returns on the analogies mate.

[@ryanforman8208]

@@colamity_5000 I had to walk so you could run, my man. Sometimes you gotta risk it to get the biscuit🙃

[@StormbladeViper]

@@colamity_5000 I disagree, actually.

[@chadingram6390]

The arrogance is annoying, it's fine to be wrong but being this annoyingly arrogant about it usually means they will be stuck in their ways. It takes honest investigation to get away from conspiracy nonsense

[@blake9668]

You use a lot of big words

[@kaldrake2167]

Destiny: *makes a great point on how communities not voting is a self perpetrating problem of not getting change done in those communities* Sneako: *very long pause* "Who do you think did 9/11?" wow.

[@noahfletcher3019]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@russki_dabb872]

It's interesting that Sneako complains about what're politicians supposed to do and then goes on to complain about what can we do to vote for individual problems. Hey, Sneako. Why not have all of those individual problems be fixed by one person by voting them in. That's called a candidate.

[@Robeebert]

I think Freako thinks Destiny's real name is "Chat."

[@ozurafgc6235]

Well? Who did 9-11 Kal?

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@ozurafgc6235 The backstreet boys

[@kumasifitts2248]

I love Destiny's patience. Sneako is loud and overbearing and ignorant, lol

[@Scalesti]

Seriously he’s fucking annoying. The fact he even has people that listen to him is astonishing.

[@kumasifitts2248]

@@Scalesti has to be teenagers n ppl in they young 20s

[@Scalesti]

@@kumasifitts2248 has to be. I’m not that much older than the dude I’m only 25 but holy shit. I thought the dude was like 18 or 19 at first because he has the brain of a fucking teenager.

[@AntiRiku]

this was honestly a very interesting conversation, props to both

[@daviddunlap3968]

"ran for the supreme court". That is exactly the degree of knowledge this wonder of humanity has. Guess it's good he isn't voting?

[@vicariouschism86]

I literally almost died when that moron said that.

[@prod.royalsg1630]

Sneako: “Society sucks. Voting doesn’t work.” Destiny: “Okay, assuming you’re correct, what then should we do about it?.” Sneako: “SOCIETY. SUCKS.” Edit: I didn’t expect this many likes! Thanks guys.

[@lc7173]

UHhhhhh MAKE MONEYYYY

[@Sim0n98]

This Joker sequel sucks

[@prod.royalsg1630]

@@digjayd Gains = Functional society

[@lubu2960]

he said "working on yourself" but that's also can be a waste of time, many generations live in a cycle of poverty that it is very unlikely any individual will ever break from.

[@PacifistBetaFish]

"Uhh GO TO THE GYM DUDE"

[@Nortgron]

The fact people like sneako have a following is genuinely depressing

[@dogma4593]

I love how he just keeps yelling different unrelated things in response to getting an explanation he didn't understand. He communicates like a seven year old. That said, I like that the discussion ended on a wholesome note. We all love peeing in pools.

[@BrooklynBalla]

Lol I almost fell out of my chair when he tried to use Epsteins island as proof of a new world order 🤣

[@toontownwarnado7070]

This shit is like the Jon Tron debate to me. I watched Sneako and thought he was a bit weird, and now 2 years later hes gone full crazy. Insane stuff

[@theobell2002]

I don't think Sneako is nearly as crazy as JonTron.

[@toontownwarnado7070]

@@theobell2002 Both are pretty conspiracy brained

[@psionicstorm3961]

The gaslighting is strong in these comments. Not every independent thought is a "conspiracy theory".

[@maxwellsdemon10]

@@psionicstorm3961 he literally implied 9/11 was an inside job and thinks the world is run by a small group of people wanting to fuck everyone over. That's literally by definition a conspiracy theory

[@psionicstorm3961]

@@maxwellsdemon10 that's not what I'm talking about. There's many people who think 9/11 was an inside job. We don't know one way or the other. It's foolish to say one way or the other. Conspiracies exist for a reason. Many have been proven. Pedophilia and sexual deviancy in Hollywood was called a "conspiracy theory" for decades. You can't totally disregard something because it makes you uncomfortable that it might be true. That's vanity.

[@wavegroup1]

Unironically, I was in Sneako’s mindset and was starting to leave it towards the end of 2021. Listening to this conversation has convinced me to vote for the first time.

[@andrewcox5873]

It’s not easy to do, but I legitimately vote in all my local elections. It’s really tough to find information on local judges and what have you, but a few years back my town passed a “RAP tax” (recreation, arts, parks) that I supported. Now they’ve built a giant beautiful modern park right by my house that my kids play at practically every day. The idea that “oh it doesn’t matter who is your mayor” is hilarious to me

[@rakshas1340]

same, it's very comforting in a way to believe the elites are corrupted and against the citizens. It's much harder to admit that the citizen of the country don't share your beliefs or that the people disagreeing with you are just voting more and by not voting, you are part of the problem.

[@Checkmate777]

Vote for who?

[@andrewcox5873]

@@Checkmate777 your question “who did you vote for” is the perfect crystallization of the problem. Hopefully OP votes for dozens of people and referendums every year, not just one person every four

[@Checkmate777]

@@andrewcox5873 Okay buddy. I didn’t vote myself I’m just curious. Yeah the problem is me asking who you voted for. And the problem isn’t the fact you can’t communicate with another human about there opinions. Who’s really the problem. You’re a box of rocks

[@FastForward025]

Lmao I can't believe this dude was going so hard about the government spying on us and everything we do through our phones, then in the same breath said "we should be able to vote for everything on an app". You can't be this oblivious to how our system works and then be so confident that it doesn't work at all. If he knew half as much about how these things work instead of all the conspiracies on why they don't, then I think he wouldn't be so obscenely wrong about it.

[@SuperAJ1996]

I actually found this conversation really refreshing. I didn't agree with pretty much anything Sneako said but it felt like it was coming from a genuine place, unlike the majority of these debates where it feels like the other person is playing some weird game

[@zvxcvxcz]

If a genuine idiot is refreshing... I can't handle it. Dealt with way too many of them. I literally can't anymore, they'll give me a heart attack before they shut up long enough to even hear how anything functions in the real world. I'm not even going to watch this debate, I saw Aba (or Preach?, I forgot which is which) try to talk some sense into him and I can't handle any more of his bullshit. I'm reading comments that Destiny kept his cool, Destiny must be a freaking saint.

[@monolith2001]

Destiny got him shook. The first half of this discussion was kinda chill but you could tell he felt he was taking too many L's with Destiny's logic and went nuts in the second half.

[@ubuu7]

Jesus, I stopped half way through because it was so much concentrated nonsense. Now you say the second half is worse!

[@jamesmitch9792]

Destiny: explains how government works. sneako: "but but muh feelings, I don't feel good about it"

[@jean-philipperameau4220]

I agree with Destiny, but I do have to rant a little bit: I'm just not comfortable with allowing bureaucrats to decide what is "essential" business and what isn't "essential" business during the pandemic. There's too much corruption involved with allowing government bureaucrats make these kinds of policies. One point there. I feel some of lockdowns went way too far. Sure, you could make an argument for the beginning of the pandemic, but the bureaucracy in Washington continually shot itself in the foot and lost a lot of credibility as the days went out (as if they had much left). Continuously mixed messaging regarding safety protocols (under the guise that 'science changes', which is true, but the government bureaucrats abused that excuse to high heaven), originally disparaging people who wore masks in the beginning and then trying to say that they were saving 'supply' for nurses (instead of telling people to at least wear a homemade mask in the mean time if that was the case, be f*cking honest), lying about what the actual 'herd immunity' numbers would need to be, confusion from the FDA/CDC with different guidelines, forcing Americans to only choose from 3 vaccine companies and not allowing Americans more choice because of stupid FDA restrictions, constant hypocritical actions (rules for thee not for me) from members of government, trying to implement the OSHA mandate regarding vaccines, firing nurses for not taking the vaccine (you know, the nurses who were saving lives during the peak pandemic while the losers who cheered on their firing and supported it were sitting at home sipping their Starbucks), demanding that misinformation be simply 'shut down' instead of actually trying to address it, continuing school closures/shutdowns and forcing children to wear masks when there were already multiple studies showing that none of those measures helped much at all and probably made things a lot worse for children's emotional/psychological development, and a lot more. Also, across the Atlantic Ocean, let's talk about the tracking program in the UK that cost 30 billion pounds and was a complete failure and total waste of tax-payer money. It didn't accomplish what is was supposed to do at all. Sorry for not wanting to trust my government, they didn't earn my trust any step of the way. The government failed me every single step of the way. There will be NO accountability for the people who had wasted billions of tax-payer money and ruined so many people's lives. Yes, COVID destroyed, but so did government.

[@Jake42O]

Trans ppl be like

[@charlestealeaf5011]

I thought this was going to be a decent conversation to challenge my ideas. Turns out it was just Destiny having to deal with absurd radical talking points for an hour. Fucking loved it

[@noahb7947]

i really enjoyed watching this. Great stream destiny.

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

Destiny: I trust in our institutions and our democracy. Sneako: yOu'RE WhiTE!

[@crasykills4718]

Tbf that is a white thing to say given that they are the most privileged by the institutions that drive governmental interests.

[@DatHombre]

It's funny because on the other side of this, Ive heard people criticized for not voting because "you're white and privileged so you don't have to care!". So either way you lose if you're white lol.

[@draunt7]

If you want to actually understand what he's trying to say when he says "you're white", he's referring to Destiny's perspective towards the US government as a white passing, successful, and decently treated individual relative to the perspective of a brown skinned latino from the hood. Replace "white" with "privileged" and it makes more sense. Undeniably Destiny has had more fundamentally greater material circumstances that developed him into who he is, and that compilation of experience with the state, political education, etc. provides him a level of faith and trust in the government that those marginalized and victimized by the State would obviously not have about that same entity. With that being said, we didn't get rights till a generation ago, and we are still heavily discriminated and exploited against, so its gonna take time for this mentality to be shed and class consciousness to develop.

[@mgm8075]

Funny thing is, Sneako is mixed(black and asian)

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

@@draunt7 Wow, that was well said. Thanks. That makes sense.

[@TheOneTheyCallFrost]

This is not a debate I thought I would ever see. I remember watching Sneako when he was a CoD kid. He was pretty smart for his age. Sad to see him devolve like this. Essentially, just shouting normie blackpill talking points the entire time. Nothing deeper than surface level talking points that he probably heard from his friends. "VOTING IS SO POINTLESS YO" -Sneako

[@mikoi7472]

Its actually a funny trend that a lot of intelligent younger people fall into this mindset easier. Its probably similar to cults actually wanting intelligent rich people in them and those rich intelligent people being more susceptible to those things because they want life to be more interesting, they want connections to exist that they can point out and so on.

[@fl_cko]

ur a sheep unironically open your eyes

[@Sunkem1Not6Hacks]

Lmao Nathan has a more sophisticated take on Ukraine than sneako has on anything. Its so weird how a human can be like this, well its not but I don't want to accept it

[@KamilDeKerel]

@@Sunkem1Not6Hacks haha damn so true

[@nikolastiscareno4963]

I mean after a while it’s easy to head into these head spaces right I mean I was in a big spiral of Dave Rubin ben Shapiro and Steven crowder videos

[@moistmalone2181]

“Chat is voting a W or L?” Kill me now

[@arttukokki]

Love it how even after you guys had big differences and things got heated you both could stay respectful

[@HDWABBIT]

Sneako: "i dont think adhd is real" Also Sneako: *changes topic every 2 seconds* Sneako is actually too dumb to be debated.

[@ProperlyGaming]

Well sneako is a wealthy man, id more 5hen likely chop it up to some grade A cocaine before i jumped to him having ADHD

[@youraverageblackgirl4621]

I was a huge fan of Sneako. He helped me out with a lot of stuff when I was younger, and is one of the reasons I feel more comfortable with myself. That being said, it was really disheartening to see his newer content. He went from this confident guy that had a reasonable outlook on life….to this. I hope he gets better, soon.

[@nendu4316]

hes just going through a nihlism phase and your watching it in real time, shit hard. this was embarassing but i think hell come out a better person in about a year. He jsut needs to keep talking to people like aba, destiny,brittany.

[@ThoughtsOrange]

Same

[@EldritchBladesgaming]

Not soo unreasonable from his point of view. Its kind of black pilled though and at the same time good. Fuck the goverment and do you

[@crescendo5594]

@@0doublezero0 Spears, of course.

[@crescendo5594]

@@0doublezero0 I don’t know who that is, but I don’t trust anyone who has two first names.

[@arthurporter131]

I love the tactic of asking questions and then asking the same question again but much louder instead of letting the person answer

[@connorjl7]

I love listening to this whole convo, its interesting but side note, its hilarious to have this conversation while one of the most peaceful games minecraft is being played in the background

[@HaiRiley]

'if you're trying to study for an engineering degree, it's probably going to fuck you hardcore right?' *crying into software engineering textbook* n-no...

[@nikkan3810]

it's okay you can do it 😂

[@iwannabethekid34xc]

Sounds like a blast idk wat the porblem is

[@Visitant69]

I was where you are. I did it. You can do it.

[@ccash3290]

No dude software engineering is engineering for babies, lol. You don't even need to learn advanced physics

[@PuddingXXL]

Software engineering is valuable af tho. Trust me my man you can decide your own wage that's how easy the negotiation process is in informatics rn.

[@yukana.]

I had no idea SNEAKO was this unhinged nowadays. . .

[@ichorous7434]

yeah he kinda fell off the deep end ngl

[@benevolentbaphomet]

He always been, pay attention

[@yukana.]

@@benevolentbaphomet Sure, but he was mostly about his whole "Better yourself" and less about how "the whole world is against you, trust nobody" type of mindset, but I also haven't seen a video of his in over 5 years so I don't know when exactly he fell off so hard...

[@agenttomato116]

@@benevolentbaphomet 🐶👺

[@JackTheKnife.]

The part in the debate that impressed me the most is the part where Destiny is trying to explain to Sneako that the reason his votes don't matter it purely because everyone from the hood has the same mentality of not voting so all that's left are rich old white men so of course their community aren't getting shown support because they don't vote on a grand scale, never thought about it like that.

[@sangun123]

lmfao for real, i mean like getting young people and minorities to not vote has literally been the conservative election strategy for decades now... it's how we only have old white folks running shit

[@Mishoce]

Dude just won a debate while growing wheat in mincraft

[@JPEGBLACK]

saw this live and it was like watching a physical manifestation of the Dunning-Kruger effect slowly eat away at my brain cells.

[@garywebb2432]

It's like Sneako pre recorded talking points he heard on conservative television and just pressed play in every response to Destiny lolololol

[@gigachad3925]

@@kalivnis7680 Just general populist anti establishment shit.

[@noahfletcher3019]

He's a Liberal. Get off the Internet, you're getting too confident putting people in boxes.

[@garywebb2432]

@@noahfletcher3019 keep telling yourself that

[@noahfletcher3019]

@@garywebb2432 you have no clue how silly you are

[@garywebb2432]

@@noahfletcher3019 ok

[@runwords_]

This debate is so one sided that it’s like a debate against a real life straw man. This is so much better than an AMA or policies page on DGG

[@Josh-sh6oy]

The irony of thinking that your phone could be tapped easily, and thinking that an online voting app wouldnt be rigged

[@TheAwesomoe]

For people complaining about Sneako, this is how a conversation goes with a normal person. If something has an emotional core or is a deep belief, you can't just go in and argue your way to that person changing that on the spot. If you expect to, you will become frustrated and probably take it out on that person (which they will remember more). If you're lucky (if), you will find someone who considers it and leaves it be for a while to contemplate the issue. Most people will repeat the argument for a bit and not really change their mind. However, the feeling of not having a good response has a deep impact and you've basically crowbarred that position a bit to loosen it. "Winning" a debate like this is not pointless, but it's not going to look like a win. If people fly all over the place during a single conversation, then you know they don't have deep opinions on the topic.

[@ThoughtsOrange]

True

[@woosh2055]

People are different. Calling him normal seems pretty rude to people who don't operate in the way he does.

[@novac1990]

@@woosh2055 you offended?

[@woosh2055]

@@novac1990 Yes, a little bit.

[@kamahhl]

@@woosh2055 I've literally had convos like this with a co-worker or two

[@ChaseFace]

I like the part where he realized he could no longer bullshit his way through this exchange and just said “you’re smarter than me.”

[@swolsauce9923]

This was entertaining. Destiny always had a meaningful responses even when sneako was just constantly jumping to subjects.

[@stevenscorse5588]

He is literally the Meme about losing faith in democracy after your first ever election cycle not going your way. When he brought up bernie I lost it haha.

[@TOFTS77]

You can't argue with a guy who says the Government can access your phone, use your camera, listen to your calls then 5 minutes later wants a Government system reliant on an APP to vote on all issues.

[@jerrickmarques8777]

It would be fun to have a debate with a non-voter where Destiny doesn't disagree with them, but instead goes over their opinions and lists them back as reasons why they shouldn't vote and that by not voting, they're doing a great service to their country.

[@assboyzent.2941]

This take is so stupid, the govt rigs physical elections, you act as if digitizing elections would cause some sudden change and rise in corruption.

[@MrseCode]

Putting Sneako on the title would please the algorithm ngl. Lots of Sneako viewers would see this ngl. 💀💀💀💀

[@diegogonzalezvazq]

His fans were actually hating on him surprisingly. Usually doesn’t happen with these like third eye living in the matrix youtubers

[@will_9910]

@@diegogonzalezvazq That's not surprising. Sneakos audience always disagrees with him on a lot of his stupid takes.

[@diegogonzalezvazq]

@@will_9910 oh really I acc didn’t know. Haven’t watched him in like two years. I always noticed he had some dodgy takes but hoped that he would eventually develop and refine his ideas more.

[@PacifistBetaFish]

ngl

[@MrseCode]

Ngl

[@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori]

This is just gold. Thank you KZbin.

[@wraithwakasamyst4524]

Best debate I've heard all year

[@Pancakegr8]

I grew up in the Nation of Islam and, when I was Muslim, one of the things they always taught us was that voting was basically useless. Imagine the political power the Black community would have if they went out canvassing instead of giving out Final Call newspapers. Anyway, I’m really glad Destiny pointed out how important voting is.

[@yorhahoudini4531]

Sooo happy I got out of that

[@Amir_yute1]

How did Islam tell u to not vote 💀

[@Pancakegr8]

@@Amir_yute1 By spreading the idea that our political system will never give us justice, and that we can only vote for “the lesser of two evils” implies our vote never mattered in the first place.

[@BobbyJ529]

If you listen to enough black conservatives they'll have you thinking that black community voting is useless because "they all vote democrat" and that black community would have political power if they voted republicans.

[@ramizvallie5027]

Nation of Islam?

[@lazarlazar1000]

You know it's probably a good thing this guy doesn't vote

[@RHtonyflowCP]

The problem is he votes for republicans without miss because “they know the truth”. He’s braindead

[@aaronh9653]

A man I know in his early 30's in the Army, worked out, ate healthy, did everything right still died from Covid.

[@MrPham310]

ive seen sneako with the most outrageous takes on tiktok clips and im glad to see him finally get wrecked by someone who could articulate their words

[@Amonfobious]

Sneako is like that well spoken argumentative guy in high school who is able to talk over and beat other kids in discussions who haven't questioned anything they're arguing about, while he's got some surface level understanding on some issues. This type of people are usually the smart person for dumb people especially if they're bombastic, loud, argumentative, and if they can posture their way into seeming right, because most people 1. dont have the skills to stand up to it and 2. dont question their own beliefs or how certain things work so they can't figure answers out on the spot. Its satisfying to see someone whose whole worldview doesn't instantly crumble upon being questioned and who actually knows his shit standing up to sneako, who then in turn, becomes the person whose worldview starts breaking down in real time. And then you see it. Defering to chat (who no shit is going to agree with you, they're your fucking chat), pivoting the topic, making jokes to calm down the conversation and redirect the focus from the discussion and looking bad. And then post stream all the insecurity comes out in forms of mocking, exaggerating positions, strawmaning. Glad this convo happened. I've been watching sneako for a while and this is always the way he came across to me. A smart person for dumb people. Hope you can have more and longer discussions with him, pressing him more to stick to a position until he yields instead of letting him jump around and not being forced to accept certain truths.

[@noahfletcher3019]

This is the perfect description of him

[@richarddominooo]

Spot on

[@professorreall]

Very well said I agree

[@inafridge8573]

You're absolutely right, and also I think Sneako will seriously grow from this

[@Marshmellow3971]

In real life who wins arguments is based more on charisma, assertiveness, body language and who talks more than who has the better ideas or logic system. It’s an unfortunate reality for quiet smart people lol

[@BouncinBrandon]

Even as an avid Destiny watcher, I feel as though I know very little about politics but I try my best, but this fucking dude makes me feel like a genius, I really do wonder why some of us in the comment section don't make YT channels if these chuckle fucks can do it.

[@TimMcKjr]

Chuckle fuck is a highly underutilized insult. LOL

[@PuddingXXL]

Because we would realise that we are not one bit better then these chuckle fucks. It's one thing to contextualize and define your thoughts when you are in your own. Doing it in front of hundreds of people especially if it's a stream is wildly different. I consider myself confident in my position but I would be a stuttering no good if I was to debate destiny on lobbyism even if I disagree with him. This guy is just infantile and that's it. He didn't put much deep thought into his ideas not out of malice but out of frustration. His Opinion is what you're gonna hear a lot in real life so better get ready to tackle it like in eal life so similiar to how destiny did here.

[@FlyingElbow]

​@@PuddingXXL I agree. When it comes to entertainment (in this case specifically streaming/youtube) the talent is extraversion, charisma and confidence which doesn't always coincide with intelligence, knowledge or rationality. There's plenty of people smarter than sneako that would be significantly worse and less successful streamers.

[@kampfkeks6619]

Isn't it chuckle-fucks? Sorry I had to feel smarter

[@Powertoolz]

Because it's not easy. It's way easier to consume than produce. You need to Brainstorm ideas Research said ideas Create title and thumbnail Actually record Edit said recording so it's not boring Publish and promote Do this for years while nobody watches, no money no fame etc. Also be comfortable having people delve into personal life the way you look and sound. It took destiny 11 years to get here and 2500 videos to get here. If you want....upload a video everyday using that outline i gave early and in 2032 you will have a voice on the internet too but guaranteed it you won't say it was easy. That said destiny is probably rich ASF. Maybe you can too.

[@ketchupcake4397]

Destiny's patience here is next level

[@brageoevergaard9869]

Dude this guy is so fuckin well articulated and GREAT at responding to everything Sneako sayin

[@TrentonF505]

This is not a crossover I thought would ever happen lol. Also, Destiny’s car analogy was great.

[@vicariouschism86]

And it's a shame the idiot he was talking to couldn't parse it out and understand the analogy.

[@eNoqfOu]

It's not, the car company is liable if the car randomly explodes and causes injury. All the vaccine companies are protected, you cannot sue them if anything happens to you because of the shot.

[@supan00bFTW]

I felt the opposite about that analogy. There's probably a better one for this situation. Sneako's question was if he trusted any part of the system, or politician, and destiny's analogy doesn't work, as Destiny CAN list specific tires, engines, oils, and parts of a car that he trusts. However there are NOT politicians that he trusts because unlike them, parts of a car aren't slimy, POS, backstabbing, lying, components of a system.

[@SeeWhyAt]

@@supan00bFTW being able to name individuals you don’t trust is irrelevant to how the government functions. It’s just buying into identity politics that leads to the overarching government having the ability to slide through shady laws or corrupt dealings. If voting is based purely on the policies of a party then the majority of people will have their best interests represented and corruption gets punished.

[@unfinest]

Yes! lets go! A screaming 25yr+ child in this episode! This is gonna be fun! 🤣

[@travelerfinder7840]

sneako is 23

[@Ghee_Buttersnaps]

@@travelerfinder7840 Destroyed

[@mgm8075]

he turns 24 in September..which is even worse. I have little faith in most people under 27 debating most of these issues.

[@Sir_Cube]

Now this is a certified classic. Excellent performance from Dest

[@Pavidota]

29:50 so cute of Destiny to give Sneako a sip of his redbull

[@jonteguy]

Arguing politics with a guy that says the majority of the hood where he grew up doesn't vote and later proceeds to say government doesn't do anything for us in the hood is...a dead-end if I've ever seen one. I don't know if it's true that people in the hood vote less, but if that is in fact true they should 100% start voting more. He thinks of a vote in a very bizarre way as well, it's like doesn't understand what majority rules means and the fact that if you don't vote you give your opponent more ammo. Even if you *don't think voting is important* you should still do it. It's so fucking easy, just fucking do it. Do some minor research if you are not into politics and just pick something that lines up with your own beliefs.

[@viggecokarlittecola4655]

of course thats true

[@andrewcox5873]

I’m trying to imagine how his cell phone voting idea would work out in real life. It’s the middle of WW3, we get a text message, “Should we enforce a nationwide blackout to prevent city lights from creating targets? Should we ration beef and fuel to conserve resources?” “Lol no”

[@viggecokarlittecola4655]

@@andrewcox5873 is this the real Andrew Cox?

[@majort.poirier4998]

You're completely right, going to start looking for the closest thing to an alt-right party for the next election

[@elijahgavin6706]

People in the hood don’t vote because they’re immediate life circumstances and environment dictate that they invest any energy that others would place into politics, into obtaining essentials and surviving.

[@Pieceofcandy]

Destiny, such a Saint spending his free time talking to disabled people.

[@finnish_hunter]

Take my like champ

[@Modjammit]

Destiny. You've changed my life. May your life be full of blessings. For real. Thank you.

[@nathancardenas2719]

"my car doesn't tell me what to do" Does this man just ignore his check engine light.

[@runwords_]

Holy fuck this is my new go to video for showing people who is Destiny. We’ve been trudging through the terminally online politics for so long it’s so refreshing to have something that the grass touchers can see as a clear W.

[@sarinat3101]

When he said "my car doesn't drive/control me", Destiny should have asked, "do you trust your car when it tells you how fast you're going? Or if your tire pressure is low?"

[@oodam]

The ‘love you bye’ at the end made me smile ear to ear.

[@finalgirlisla]

The most fascinating thing in this conversations is the pause Sneako takes every time Destiny says something. It's like... he's taking it in, he's thinking about it a little but then he reverts back to these talking points that are his comfort, or he just dismisses it.

[@SLC-Smudge42]

“I’m a nihilist…….that’s a ……philosophical…stance” hahahahaha! This dude is special.

[@jerrickmarques8777]

Try to have this conversation with real world people and it will be less fruitful.

[@empiricus2211]

This debate was actually super satisfying. Cherry on top was the wholesome exit after all the intensity, those are the best conversations :)

[@catxxcrack]

god i love when sneako is just silent and searches for anything to grasp onto to try to be right. "Chat what do you think???"

[@wordfromzic]

First time watching destiny but love how he can look at topics holistically while sneko is the opposite

[@michaeljeffreyjordan4966]

Destiny names 3 politicians: “Oh wow you’re naming policies again” 🥴🥴🥴

[@ser0t0ninaddict94]

I genuinely don't understand why some people are so opposed to voting. Even if you believe it has a minor effect, you can't be bothered to spend a few hours every few years to vote?

[@richardhands904]

It shouldnt take a few hours to vote

[@3self]

The options

[@Oppenheimer1967]

Some people are strongly opposed to voting but I think the majority of people who don’t vote just don’t give af or just were lazy the weeks or so leading up to X election.

[@william4996]

I work the elections in my province and I don't vote. I used to spoil my ballet but now I just don't. I'm literally in the building and I don't. Why? I legit just don't have any options I agree with. I'm just not happy with the people and parties running so I don't want to put my backing with anyone.

[@williamcozart8158]

People are getting to where they wont accept anything that is not instantly gratifying, and voting is something that they do not see immediate effects from.

[@polarpolar8199]

He came into this trap confident and collected, throughout this call he retained his confidence but slowly started sounding more and more drunk until he was just loud angry belligerence XD

[@BillyBiceps]

Did I just time travel back 5 years to listen to Destiny debate the skeptics again

[@christinavillarreal4827]

This guy is so uneducated about the basic things that have happened in our country in the last 5 yrs. Has he just been living under a rock? I can't believe Destiny even entertained this convo. More patience than I have.

[@NayshunNinja]

It’s especially frustrating when he stated he only does political shit for entertainment not because he believes in anything and can’t grasp the truth that what he says has influence politically

[@komlat253]

he's talking so loud and probably much faster than his brain is moving. like he's making everything too simple with his words . like it sounds like talking to a 15 year old. his world view is a little sad .

[@sk3tchyguy]

10:15 "I don't think that we have anything to argue about, I don't think it's even worthwhile to have any hard stances on anything because ultimately, we can't change anything." right before 50 minutes of intense arguing lmao

[@voidication]

I've seen so many clips of this and had no idea that he was just casually playing MC while debating like this 💀

[@tyh4969]

This a good one