Destiny vs Pro-Life Activists | FULL DEBATE

Destiny vs. Lila Rose, Kristan Hawkins Abortion Debate | Whatever Podcast #8
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Date: 21 June, 2023
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0:00 Teaser / Intro
0:45 Introductions and stances
6:00 Human right to life
12:20 Are a seed and a tree the same thing?
16:00 20 - 24 weeks
21:00 Brian steps in
23:00 People in a coma that won't wake up
30:00 Can't deal w/ hypotheticals
37:00 Conscious and personhood
39:00 Do you believe in the right to life?
46:00 Conscious rights?
48:30 "How dare you!?"
50:00 "That is misogyny!"
55:10 Is puberty real? When does puberty begin then?
1:00:00 When does a child become a child?
1:04:00 Brian steps in again
1:08:00 Doing vs allowing harm
1:40:20 Terry Shivo
1:48:45 When does a baby acquire consciousness?
1:52:30 Destiny isn't equating
2:03:00 Lila believes best pro-choice arguments appeal to emotion
2:08:55 Pascal's wager
2:14:00 Lila and Kristan are inconsistent
2:15:00 Does puberty exist if we can't point to an exact start?
2:17:00 Tests for life, AI
2:29:00 2 cell organism
2:31:10 Artificial womb hypothetical
2:46:30 SUPERCHATS call Destiny stupid
2:53:30 Viability argument
2:55:00 dead =/= alive
3:00:10 Destiny refuses to let her ramble
3:08:00 Death as defined by Pro Life
3:16:50 Harm to a future person vs harm to someone that won't exist
3:20:50 What is arbitrary?
3:26:50 Eugenics is bad
3:43:00 Pro Lifers view of Destiny's stance
3:51:40 Outro
3:59:00 Chappelle joke and reaction
4:09:00 Destiny was pro life and then...
#destiny
#politics
#debate

[@destiny]

Shout out Brian for letting me post the full video here so we have a record of this special debate on Destiny's channel as well. Check out ►www.youtube.com/@whatever

[@jakeb2876]

Thanks Bee Rai

[@aidanrock8719]

Actually pretty chill of him

[@xbabu142x]

He's officially overtaken Brian from Family Guy in my Top Ten Brians rankings with this.

[@Chris-il5im]

W Brian if you see this. Please improve your moderation skills tho.

[@stonetemplepilot420]

What's the timestamp from where the last video ended?

[@jonkent928]

Gotta respect the girl next to destiny for respectfully sitting there quietly and listening.

[@titusgray4598]

Some say she’s still sitting there to this day

[@ryzikx]

i was like dang shes hot then i realized that i'm correct

[@wolfslipper]

Geez, I loled so hard. 🤣

[@M1SSK1W1]

too bad the girls he was debating couldn't stfu for two seconds and let him talk.

[@janhenrik4170]

destiny is such a loser for coming on there ,a podcast that only exists to bash women

[@Kainuko]

Kristan Hawkins is living proof that consciousness can take much much longer to develop than 24 weeks.

[@poerava]

Touché

[@DWG0619]

Savage

[@jh299110]

Is this an overweight joke?

[@quillclock]

@@jh299110 its a low consciousness joke....

[@quillclock]

best comment

[@luismata11]

I love how they demand that he answers all their questions, when they refuse to answer any of his 💀

[@TheMrBigJeff]

And refuse to let him answer those questions they demand answers to 🤣

[@bennypit4411]

19 weeks old in the womb...it is alive but it's not a human being. 20 weeks old in the womb(1 week later).... it is alive and it's now a human being. I don't really care about abortion but Destiny is making the dumbest argument I've ever heard. He's defending his argument well but it's a dumb as heII argument to make.

[@sovandeprins2663]

​@@bennypit4411 its more so from a legal standpoint is what im understanding? Im pro choice but i also personally would feel its kinda "gross" to abort after a certain point unless its medically needed. Bc after a certain stage in the development it is far more human feeling to me personally, but i also domt decide what others do. Destiny did just argue from a legal standpoint when a fetus/baby should have the human right to not be "killed"

[@Extracredittttt]

​@@bennypit4411obviously there is a line somewhere and that line will always be semi-arbitrary The idea that drawing a line anywhere is dumb is clinically insane. Moon logic

[@emperorborgpalpatine]

@@bennypit4411 how the hell is that dumb lol? would you destroy a computer that is installing sentience or destroy it after it becomes sentient?

[@robertshelton5011]

Destiny is incredibly patient. I would’ve screamed the 340,516th time she interrupted me.

[@bennypit4411]

He also just said an 11 year old child rape victim shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion.

[@sovandeprins2663]

​@@bennypit4411 he said after a certain point, which we can disagree with if we want but before that 20-24 mark hes 100% happy to let that child have an abortion.

[@dominicekezie2011]

@@sovandeprins2663and he mentioned mitigating factors, its just that legally, we should start there like we do any criminal act

[@sovandeprins2663]

@@dominicekezie2011 yes exactly

[@justthecraft]

Actual Time Stamps: 0:00 Teaser / Intro 0:45 Introductions and stances 6:00 Destiny get's cut off 12:20 Destiny get's cut off 16:00 Destiny get's cut off 21:00 Destiny get's cut off 23:00 Destiny get's cut off 30:00 Destiny get's cut off 37:00 Destiny get's cut off 39:00 Destiny get's cut off 46:00 Destiny get's cut off 48:30 Destiny get's cut off 50:00 Destiny get's cut off 55:10 Destiny get's cut off 1:00:00 Destiny get's cut off 1:04:00 Destiny get's cut off 1:08:00 Destiny get's cut off 1:40:20 Destiny get's cut off 1:48:45 Destiny get's cut off 1:52:30 Destiny get's cut off 2:03:00 Destiny get's cut off 2:08:55 Destiny get's cut off 2:14:00 Destiny get's cut off 2:15:00 Destiny get's cut off 2:17:00 Destiny get's cut off 2:29:00 Destiny get's cut off 2:31:10 Destiny get's cut off 2:46:30 Destiny get's cut off 2:53:30 Destiny get's cut off 2:55:00 Destiny get's cut off 3:00:10 Destiny get's cut off 3:08:00 Destiny get's cut off 3:16:50 Destiny get's cut off 3:20:50 Destiny get's cut off 3:26:50 Destiny get's cut off 3:43:00 Destiny get's cut off 3:51:40 Destiny get's cut off 3:59:00 Destiny get's cut off 4:09:00 Destiny get's cut off

[@pxxnxh]

This needs to be pinned

[@negatron86]

I’m dying 😂

[@Starcanum-]

2:18:43 timestamp for the first point Destiny could finish uninterrupted.

[@Reign31]

😂😂😂😂 You forgot the time stamps Destiny gets told not to interrupt Destiny gets told not to interrupt Destiny gets told not to interrupt Destiny let’s women speak Women cut destiny off Destiny gets told not to interrupt

[@bigbywolf5393]

Lmaoooooo

[@sheiky9633]

I've suffered so much brain damage watching the pro life advocates that it is now ethical to pull the plug on me.

[@gd8838]

based

[@doctorlove5668]

ethical to pull the plug on them*

[@PS-cq8qr]

Don't talk about it, be about it. At least you'll have the choice...

[@amberkierra]

😩😅

[@irradiatedbadger]

I have dain bramage

[@Amaz1ngTac0]

Holy shit. These girls did more to convince me to be pro abortion than destiny did.

[@gt7519]

i'm saying

[@sir.grumpypawson6598]

Extra late term abortion

[@spencerbuck1074]

I kind of entered this vaguely pro life and I really gotta say they didn't send their best. The argument deserves better, and I have a lot of sympathy for pro-choicers.

[@tjamajama4583]

It's so funny that the chick on the right asks destiny what he would say to god in heaven when confronted with the abortion question, then she can't understand what a hypothetical scenario is when Destiny does the same.

[@luvace3432]

*God

[@DiesiraeL]

Calling someone a misogynist for advocating for woman's rights is actually insane.

[@Oopsy75254]

You have to ignore another person's right in the case of abortion.

[@kaiza6467]

@@Oopsy75254only if you consider a tiny clump of cells a person. Destiny has repeated his position multiple times, that pregnancy is the process of creating a person. So if the fetus develops enough that brain activity can be observed (20-24 weeks), he considers that a person so an abortion shouldn’t be allowed unless the mother’s life is in danger. So if you cancel the person creating process before the person actually forms (no brain activity, no consciousness, no senses), no “person” is being harmed.

[@michaelperussina2835]

murdering children as birth control is evil and gross and insane

[@FACTS-mk5mi]

Like she said already she knows someone who had twins before the 20 to 24 weeks. Now do u still think it should be allowed?

[@kaiza6467]

@@FACTS-mk5mi it’s like anti-abortion people are TRYING to not understand Destiny’s argument lol What you said is basically: “If an abortion shouldn’t be allowed if the brain is developed enough, what about this one fringe case where the brain was developed enough at 20 weeks???” If the brain is developed enough that the fetus is conscious, then yes, an abortion shouldn’t be allowed. This isn’t hard. 😂

[@zaad5273]

"We know we won." Words from every loser of a debate.

[@PasteteDoeniel]

they have won the award of being the most insufferable debate opponents.

[@TheKomentor]

I remember she was already claiming "winning" in the first 20 mins of the 4 hour debate.

[@zaad5273]

9:33 "Can you respond to that?" While he's literally in the middle of responding to you!!!

[@nb4411]

Well, they did win, but we're annoying throughout.

[@VA-gu1jq]

@@nb4411no

[@Kilikina616]

I’m 40 minutes in and I want to rip my hair out. The pro-life side would NOT SHUT UP. Let him speak!

[@skyootos7672]

The sentence "The child has the capacity to deploy consciousness, it just needs time to developt it" is so inherently contradictory that it's mindblowing that they keep insisting on it. How can the fetus have something, but at the same time it needs time to develop it? How do they not see the logical flaw? If we assume this makes sense, then it also is fine to say that as soon as you get in Engineering course, you are already an engineer, you just need some time to develop. Wow.

[@skyootos7672]

@@KJJB12 Because, as per their argument, fetuses under 3 months old need time to develop the ability to deploy a counscious experience because they do not have it yet. The illogical part is assuming that, because they will eventually have something, that is the same as having it at any given moment. You are correct in saying that things like muscles, body, personality, etc, can be developed beyond their starting form, but I was talking about initial development, when the thing does not exist yet. For example, imagine you have a car without engine and wheels. You can't say it's a working car, at least not for the inteded purpose, even if the parts it's lacking will eventually be added. Once you add those two things, THEN it's a working car, but you can still keep adding other things to make it a better car, you can improve the engine, etc. Does this make sense to you?

[@hhjhj393]

@@KJJB12 That's like saying I can bench 400lbs you just have to give me 10 years to deploy it lol......... Like no I can't bench 400lbs, I COULD if I went to the gym for 10 years trained hard and took steroids and ate a bunch of protein. At the moment I can't bench 400lbs. At the moment that fetus can't think, it COULD think if given time to develop in the womb. That's how I see it.

[@ffffnnnnul2125]

A child has the capacity to become president. A child cannot be president at the current time. Pretty simple in that context, now apply it to the abortion context.

[@Imjak47]

“So he’s changing his position from 20 - 24 weeks down to 20” Couldn’t take her seriously after that

[@Araz907]

mfw 20 is within the range of 20-24 😮

[@damont5487]

She was so smug when she said that too 😅

[@bobzombie2710]

HOW DARE YOU

[@bruhdabones]

Kinda wish D didn’t attack their monetary incentives so early on. It’s obvious that they’re mentally challenged, possibly to the point where they don’t even understand what money is

[@shadowmonk9672]

Yeah I lost my shit when watching this last night and she said that. I figured for like 20 minutes straight that Destiny was just trolling her by not saying "okay fine 20 weeks" when she was all hung up about 20-24 being super vague. I figured all she wanted was for him to say 20 weeks and he knew it and he was just letting her stew by not giving her what she wanted. And then he did, and she still wasn't fucking happy lol it was actually one of the most bonkers moments I've ever seen in a debate

[@coltondaigle7963]

I swear I’m not a destiny fanboy but when he said abortion isn’t that relevant to the red pill space because 90% of the audience are virgins I cried laughing

[@jamiemunn9200]

I've met a few red pill guys, and that statement is accurate. I feel bad for them

[@mathewdebol923]

Totally! I spit out a little water when he dropped that bomb 😂

[@orlin800]

Time stamp pleas

[@RS-chino]

This is why he’s so popular, he can match a very emotionally charged opposition with rational hilarity.

[@Ronnock]

It's not whether they have the potential mate for sex or knocking up a one-night-stand. It is solidarity through their love of their fellow man, the least protected of which is the un/pre-born.

[@florianschmoldt8659]

"Age discrimination" is the weirdest term, when age literally starts at birth

[@maya_gabriella]

no that’s the only point that we can be sure of a number to assign them one since birth otherwise no one would have a birthday, because it would be impossible to decipher when they got conceived. human life begins at conception which is an irrefutable fact. therefore yes in the human concept of time that we have created it would make the baby their age+ the 6-10 months since they were conceived. although that is not we measure it.

[@florianschmoldt8659]

...Yes, we don't. You're shoving the goal post in very inappropriate places. Pro-life people move it in the complete opposite direction if they want to call someone "child murderer" instead of "zygote or embyro murderer" Loaded language. I get that. I personally think this wishful new definition of "age" confuses even most christians and you are arguing it with people who don't believe there is anyone to discriminate against to begin with. I respect your views and appreciate the answer but we have to find a reasonable middle when we use certain terms instead of making the other side look as bad as possible.

[@maya_gabriella]

@florianschmoldt8659 let me start by clarifying I am agnostic (more atheist) and that yes I use terms such as zygote and embryo, as they are scientific terms to describe stages of development in a baby so I would have no problem saying “human zygote or embryo murderer” because that is a human child merely in the earliest stages of life. The reason I may choose not to in the majority of the time, is because pro choicers use these terms to dehumanise the baby and use those words as a weapon to avoid the FACT that they are young human lives. I’m not moving anything in the opposite direction, I’m stating that in our society we have created that is how we measure age, (like many other human concepts that work to sustain a working organised society**, like the concept of TIME which is a human made construct which is what age is based on bc what does age mean without the concept of time. **bc let me repeat no one would ever have a “birthday” or perhaps “lifeday”, as in the moment their life began, not when they are born, exiting the birth canal) BUT For example in Korea they have a different system of measuring age as they start the ‘number of age’ beginning at conception, but since they have no clear day of when the baby was conceived they assign the new born baby as 1 years old when they come out, and that’s how it works for them which is only one example of this system being used. If it’s not age discrimination what is it? When do u think human life begins? Because if ur answer is any other answer than conception u are simply wrong there’s nothing else I can add to that, and the right to life is a human right , however for some reason in 67 countries we decide that the unborn just doesn’t count and we legalise the murder of them.

[@florianschmoldt8659]

​​ @maya_gabriella If someone asks when MY life began...honest answer: The day I was born. If you are sticking to "human life"...the collection of cells you are refering to are less complex than plants who could be labeled "alive" and definitely less complex than the animal you had on your sandwich. The only difference is your projection what that organism will become. Good on you being an atheist but it only makes sense if especially human cells are sacred by default and I can't see any good reason for that claim. Even if we casually say "I'm having a baby", there is a reason science seperates cells, zygotes, embryos from babies. Not to dehumanise but I don't like it if someone shoves a picture of a 8 month old baby in my face to emotionalize the discussion either. I'm german. We have 12weeks and if someone want's to argue it reaches into a questionable time frame, fair enough. I personally don't see much of a human to dehumanise up to 6 weeks. Back to the "age discrimination"...Even if I entertain the phrasing...what does it even mean? American humans have the right to own guns, cars, pron, alcohol. We restrict the access based on good reason and science. Or is it just age discrimination? There is a line that needs to drawn.

[@satellitestargazer2770]

There is nothing wrong with age "discrimination." We deny rights to minors all the time. Children can't vote or drive in most cases. Because they lack maturity. Fetuses don't get the right to life because they lack a consciousness and autonomy.

[@TheJim9191]

This is the worst moderator in the history of moderators. These two just stacked up 50 questions on destiny at a time, allowing him no time to answer before posing another, and the moderator just sits there doing absolutely nothing about it. How is this a debate? This is 2 people screaming at someone who thought he was attending a debate.

[@mynchux]

He is the ultimate poser. He is the reason I stopped watching his stupid channel. Absolute garbage, all the time

[@PsychicSploob]

To be fair, when the moderator tried to control the discussion, Destiny also refused his help lmao

[@skoto8219]

Beyond jumping in and telling everyone to stop talking over each other there really wasn’t much the moderator could do other than jump in and say “enough on the 20 to 24 week thing! Let’s talk about cases of r*pe and inc*st.” That seems like the obvious move that a “pro” moderator in legacy media or academia would make and I don’t think that’s what we want to see here. Just let them fight lol Destiny can handle himself

[@AvenuNM]

"OH my apologies, I interrupted your question with my answer" - Destiny lmfao

[@mathewdebol923]

Straight snort laughed at that one

[@Kyoudontknowme]

Haha I choked 😂

[@knjparadise]

time stamp?

[@AvenuNM]

@@knjparadise ah I don't remember, it's been awhile! I should've clipped it

[@ndjarnag]

wtf lmao

[@Chikken553]

I feel like the conversation would have been more productive without Kristan.

[@zombeach9589]

Melissa McCarthy but even more insufferable**

[@MyName-vg8yu]

"thats right"

[@tm5123]

It would have been a much lighter conversation.

[@gamercatsz5441]

@@tm5123I C what you did there 😮😂

[@eavesdropper0]

This was uploaded 5 mins ago. Watch it fully before commenting for likes

[@jakemp42]

I LOVE how at around 1hr 15, they proved Destiny’s point and pretended they didn’t. They even claimed that when a baby is in the womb, they’re “not on life support.” What?! Of course they are!

[@zdtu8]

What? Life support? There is a massive difference between life support in a medical setting and womans fricken body that was made for supporting the life of a growing/developing fetus. The fetus is developing as we speak and getting closer and closer every second to viability. Someone on life support in a hospital may be dying and beyond help. As someone that was part of a family decision to pull life support on my mom last year after she was unable to rally and restore organ function, that is unfortunately how it works sometimes. Destiny is making a losing argument and he fucking knows it.

[@geonnabvby8218]

@@zdtu8a baby in the womb is absolutely on life support because if you took you mom off life support she would die if you take a baby out the womb too early it would die the baby is depending on the mom to give it life just like how people on life support are depending on the machine

[@Ryl3925]

OK if we pretend that logic makes any sense when a full term baby is out of the womb then I guess they're on life-support to because they're not sustainable as an infant

[@sashacaba8698]

Based on each of your evidence I thought you guys were each going to take a different approach It seems like the same evidence can be used in a way to defend both sides

[@T.M.034]

​@@sashacaba8698not really because zdtu8 isn't using logic to defend their argument. They're adding extraneous qualifications that aren't relevant. It's life support in both situations.

[@adriensmith392]

It's absolutely insane how outraged these chicks get when Destiny treats them exactly how they've been treating him the whole time. They wanna cry about how unprofessional Destiny is, but have no issue constantly overtalking him, cutting him off, avoiding his questions, attacking his character, or just being outright rude. These women make me wanna be pro-choice even more lol

[@mohammedtaher1344]

Destiny isn't a woman who would never androstane and this is isn't his argument.

[@P3RM3TIAN]

Not letting him finish a statement and continuously talking over him apparently equals a “win” to them .

[@bobvance-]

These two women are so fucking stupid. I admire the patience that Steven has. I would have burned that place down.

[@thefluffyyeti677]

And then saying “excuse me” fuck it’s awful

[@MrObveous777]

@@TheEverFreeKing You sound like you knew who was going to win before the debate even started. Yup we all know what 'team' you were cheering for...🙄🙄

[@isaiasortiz100]

@@TheEverFreeKingYoure trolling.

[@gavinn1647]

@@TheEverFreeKing Every time those two bitchy karens spoke I kept craving Advil 🤢

[@Peacemaker100028]

“I’m interrupting your question with my answer” -Destiny sums up this entire debate accurately 😂😂😂

[@zayr]

this was the perfect response

[@nikkfrostt]

34:20 You'd have to go back a bit to hear the question, but i don't think it mattered, she really didn't wait long to interrupt.

[@zachary_smith1]

Yea I loved that. I’m sorry I’m interrupting your question with. My answer. I’m stealing that

[@companyspammers7770]

“If you put a baby Tesla in a room with oxygen and gasoline things on the wall.” I hope their understanding of conception is better than their understanding of Teslas.

[@KoopaWasTaken]

Bro, you needed to clarify they mean to say "POTENTIAL" every single time they say "capacity". They have swapped those words 700000000 times. It's incredibly infuriating.

[@ssscout]

fucking insane hearing them say you're all over the place when you're repeating the same exact thing over and over again

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Destiny lost this debate

[@Sexykittybangbang]

​@@just_a_turtle_chadNo offense but that is a pretty magical opinion. I don't know how you could hear these two people completely ignore anything destiny said and just talk over him to the point destiny stopped taking it seriously

[@tb8654]

​@@just_a_turtle_chadwhat parts of this debate caused him to lose?

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

​@@tb8654all parts

[@justinbeavers8923]

Lol source I made it the fuck up

[@rtobata121]

The smugness coming off Kristin is suffocating. She clearly wants to win the argument more than she wants to hold the right position.

[@2750djbt]

​@TheEverFreeKing she won nothing. This must be her burner account, since she's the only one who believes she won.

[@boonaw]

@@2750djbt I think they're joking, they have to be

[@abstractsymmetricity]

She shrieked "MISOGYNY" unironically. She's a smug buffoon.

[@Long-live-vacation]

​@TheEverFreeKing it's a lil sad you think that was a win 😬

[@udukamjoku8860]

@@2750djbt look at his other comments😂 he's trolling hard AF just to start arguments 😂

[@beetoven8193]

34:30 "I'm so sorry I was interrupting your question with my answer." Bwahahaha!

[@companyspammers7770]

Those women are so obnoxious. They spent an exorbitant amount of energy trying to frame Destiny’s position instead of just asking him. Then when their emotional argument doesn’t hold up, they start virtues signaling, and calling destiny misogynistic. Go back to debating college kids, let the grown-ups talk

[@giloteen]

the level of respect i have for Destiny skyrocketed with this debate. his ability to endure immeasurable degrees of obstinance and weaponized ignorance is on par with David Blaine magic.

[@papageorgio123123]

Facts

[@TheAlex11880]

I actually quite disliked him before from what little I've seen from him before. Completely changed my opinion on him, especially since he uses arguments I've discussed with friends before.

[@giloteen]

@TheAlex11880 Yea, I have my ups and downs with him, but it's hard to say he's not good at what he does. And this is one of his best showings as far as staying locked in and consistent with his arguments.

[@S.Marquis]

Well said

[@buttmunchmcnugget328]

I wasnt really a fan for a long time, id heard small things and i was a infrequent watcher of.. HASAN...but then the whole thing with him calling people saltines(code) leading me to Destinys reaction of that whole kerfuffle. Ever since ive slowly become more and more of a fan. I share a lot of his core beliefs, if not always his attitude or views. He did great here, idk if i could have stuck through the whole videos if i hadnt had a logical buoy to grasp onto in the sea of bad faith.

[@Superfission]

Kristan: "You're arguing from emotion" Also Kristan: HOW DARE YOU?!?

[@pxxnxh]

😂😂

[@chadingram6390]

Lila steel manning Destiny: "Destiny's arguments are shit but the emotional arguments are the best and really get to me we should really be helping those poor women."

[@SupplySideJesus]

"How DARE you compare miscarriage to child neglect!!1!" 5 minutes later, dressed tuxedo wojak: "whoa are you triggered Destiny? Are you triggered? Triggered huh??"

[@lisah8438]

Both sides usually argue with their emotions in this topic.

[@luckydiamond77]

@@SupplySideJesusListen I completely agree with you, but this is the corniest comment I’ve ever read I’m sorry bruh this sucks

[@devana3842]

WHEN YOURE IN A DEBATE AND YOURE UNABLE TO LET YOUR OPPONENT FINISH A THOUGHT - YOU LOSE

[@markansas101]

Worst debate I've ever seen - how can a moderator not stop them from interrupting Destiny when they are doing it OVER AND OVER FROM THE VERY BEGINNING ?

[@kofiaddison5402]

At first I thought they were intellectually bad faith but as time went on I realised it was just stupidity.

[@CEWIII9873]

this is what happens when people base their entire lives and belief systems on a nonsense book of lies about an omnipotent sky wizard

[@tofoooh9009]

I think the fat one was self aware and being purposefully 'bad faith' but the other one genuinely was lacking coherent view on the issue and understanding of destiny's take. I wouldnt be suprised if she was coached to interrupt like the fat one consistently did but after being called out and made fun of for it too many times she stopped mostly.

[@lubu2960]

activists are the worst to debate. They never have thought about their positions, they inherit them from their family or environment and just advocated for those things since young.

[@sarahrobertson634]

@@CEWIII9873 I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who is an omnipotent sky wizard, so HOW DARE YOU.

[@sarahrobertson634]

@@tofoooh9009 So one is fat, and the other is dumb. That's a good summary.

[@unintentional_smile]

This is why debates need proper moderators. These women were insufferable.

[@gocartmozart2649]

I had to give up 10mins in.

[@spencerrichmond5845]

Fr starting to realize how useless Brian is. Just sits there and interrupts to read chats instead of controlling the debate

[@carlosperalta1714]

​@@spencerrichmond5845The doll there would have been a better mod 😂

[@dalminehoff8985]

It's hard to moderate when there is 3 women in an argument

[@Khronokai]

2V1 wasn't enough, they had to cut off Destiny every other word. It was completely ridiculous. The silver lining is that it did make them look bad. 😊

[@jackferdinger4180]

There were parts where Lila looked genuinely embarrassed by what Kristan was saying

[@scotthonig8318]

Does a fetus have the right to use another human's body for survival without their consent?

[@user-dq7rx6jp6t]

No.

[@TheMagev]

Right to the real facts of the matter. This particular point also proves the pro choice position as being more coherent because as soon as technology is available that allows a fetus to survive outside a womb at any point outside conception we will almost all decide it is no longer okay to abort the fetus because we have a way to keep it alive that doesn’t affect the bodily autonomy of the mother. No matter what you do with the pro lifer’s position they are trying to say your body is not your own in some way and society can decide when you become a slave or not.

[@user-dq7rx6jp6t]

@@TheMagev we don't abort fetuses. We abort pregnancies.

[@JEDUBBELLE]

​@@TheMagev And with global overpopulation and the growth of an average theistic household, even artificial wombs are arguably immoral.

[@brownbear112]

My brain wanted to self terminate 20 minutes in. I like the girl with the blue hair, she contributed greatly to this conversation.

[@InLoveWithaPaladin]

😂😂😂

[@bystander265]

Bruh 💀

[@zhenyucai8688]

Which one?

[@lambertar]

She's my anime waifu.

[@twit6973]

@@zhenyucai8688yeah people don't know here that Destiny is a woman's name

[@ceresmarkley3996]

I still can't get over the fact she doesn't know 21 is between 20-24.

[@MrWolfy08]

i was thinking the same, during entire debate

[@TheJordanK]

They either actually don’t know how ranges work or they are being very bad faith, which felt like they were for a lot of this.

[@TheSiSuck]

As bad as they were, I think you missed the point. Fatty`s argument was that you become human at week 20 while destiny was saying 21-24 at the start, and then moved it to 20-24. Her point then was that he moved the range 1 week, making the embio "human" sooner. His point was it is redundant, which it was, but fatty went ballistic over it.

[@PraisetheSun150]

I can’t get over the fact she’s allowed to have a platform

[@TheKomentor]

@@TheJordanK They can't help but be bad faith because they represent anti-abortion organistations and just can't afford to concede a point because that would affect their donations and their careers. I just feel a younger Lila without an organisation to represent would have debated in good faith. Can't say the same about Kirsten.

[@indigoherr1550]

The amount of times I yelled stfu this entire video. It’s so unprofessional to be in a debate and not even hear the other side out…

[@brightshining]

Destiny is the most kind, empathetic, caring debater you could ever encounter who takes any philosophical hypothetical into consideration and hears people out through their complex points and all the way through in order to have an enlightening conversation or good faith argument And he is just being talked over, called a misogynist, and shut down I have never been so flabbergasted in my life

[@Extracredittttt]

​@@KJJB12lmao you say a bunch of unhinged things in this comment but I will just point out the obvious The OC is making a comparison. Comparatively speaking, the two women interrupt Destiny SO much more than Destiny interrupts them. It is not even close. What's more, when Destiny speaks to people who don't interrupt him, he treats them in kind. He has debated this exact subject on this same channel with another person and the conversation was normal and respectful And I say all this as someone who generally doesn't like Destiny very much. But the comparison makes these two pro-life people look SO bad. And their hypotheticals and analogies were beyond the pale Nice try with your flowery, religiously charged language though lolol

[@shedshitley]

these two were so convincing that i totally changed my position - i'm now in favor of 105th term abortions

[@danielsurvivor1372]

105th term is how old? 😅

[@TheMatt_SD]

​@@danielsurvivor1372roughly 34

[@scottconover7569]

Same 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thefamilymealgaming]

bro i thought i wasnt for it but after watching this it all just sounds dumb XD

[@instantsus_]

that simp donator is full evidence we should abort some babies.

[@darklucas0721]

Kristan finally recognizing that Destiny was consistent after 2 hours of screaming the opposite until Lila lost the plot actually fried my brain cells

[@ALostMap]

Please bless me with a timestop dawg, cant stand listening to these two for the whole thing, but that sounds funny

[@1socom]

@@ALostMap no no no.. we suffered and you have to too!

[@hikaz8704]

@@ALostMap You have to pay the 4 hour tax of brain rot t to experience the few great moments.

[@peewee0224]

@@hikaz8704you guys are the opposite of those hero’s who provide time stamps. You’re super villains.

[@hikaz8704]

@@peewee0224 idk if we are cool enough to be "super" villains but sure.

[@TPJ1016]

55:01 is the greatest part of this

[@asitmohanty9662]

This episode is a prime example of why you need to go on offensive during an argument when you are facing idiots. Destiny should have brought up more of woman rights and then let these idiots stumble on how they would articulate their responses without going anti-feminist.

[@suttonread9412]

47:26 “that’s your opinion” “obviously that’s why i’m representing it” LMFAO I love Destiny

[@Xalgucennia]

Christopher Hitchens had a better version "Of course it's my opinion, who's opinion am I supposed to have? Your's ?"

[@TheNickelback12321]

Kristan: "I've very seriously considered what if i was wrong" Also Kristan every time someone disagrees: "thank you for the misogony" I've gone through medical hardships in my life easier to endure than hearing her talk throughout this video

[@majinvegeta420]

I've been and still am going thru multiple medical hardships most of my life and I can confidently say being in excruciating pain every second of every day is far easier to endure than hearing her talk and even more preferable...

[@Testicule]

She is why men, on average, die younger than women!

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@@TheEverFreeKingReally?

[@ugotgamesonurphonee]

@@TheEverFreeKing ur making me consider whether I have autism or not, can u please add emotion indicators at the end of your text so that I can decide whether to think ur funny or r worded.

[@justinbeavers8923]

​@@TheEverFreeKing simp

[@joshhidalgo2588]

The most amazing thing about this is that it went on for 4 hours......

[@AquaMarina.]

The other lady, not Lyla, it’s so condescending, not a good debater, always interrupting, hard to take in.

[@contentmanager7611]

It's actually incredible how well Destiny performed in this 1v2, considering he literally wasn't able to speak 95% of the time without being labeled a misogynist, immature or RUDE of all things.

[@beanybabyrabie]

Oh please, he interrupted plenty

[@JohnDoe-dr3vw]

@@beanybabyrabieafter it was repeatedly done to him

[@krit_j162]

@@beanybabyrabiehe had to interrupt

[@FeterMalgorzata]

He wasn't even being any of those things. Kristin was the one who was prejudiced against men (misandry) by the constant amount of contemptuous, patronising comments.

[@majinvegeta420]

@@FeterMalgorzata HOW DARE YOU!!!!!

[@teddybear-ic3it]

Yes kristan was annoying but PLEASE do not let lila off the hook . SHE COULD BARELY LET HIM SPEAK AS WELL . Both were horrible . Lila gave less smart remarks an I’ll give her a 1% chance of good faith in her argument 😂. But other than that they are both horrible debaters . I’ve never seen Lila interrupt this much. I think she knew destiny has very strong points . She didn’t want him to ask questions so she could not get challenged.

[@jessicacarbonejc]

I also can’t stand that she is so upset but her eyes are smiling it’s so strange

[@CarosAnon]

Lady literally bit the bullet on "If I take your brain out are you still the same person"

[@arturocardona140]

@@CarosAnon I literally gasped and my eyes widened. Then it I stayed like that expecting to relax when she backpedaled but she never did. What a damn loon.

[@samfoord943]

Tbh kristan was def the better debater between the 2 but she was also like 5 times as annoying so 🤷

[@anaphielas]

While both were horrible interrupters I think the difference is that Lila was at least actually engaging with Destiny's arguments (to whatever extent she allowed herself to do it)

[@timkrupar]

This is the second debate I’ve watched recently (Cenk Ugyur being the other) in which Destiny is able to land on a middle point in a very polarizing issue, where he is able to concede certain points raised by his opponent (that do not disqualify his own argument), and in his doing so, the opponent(s) reactions illuminate the extremeness of their own views (who perceive ANY concession as weakness) and their unwillingness to meet at a viable solution in the middle. It’s really a battle between intellectual honesty and dishonesty, and I respect Destiny for being able to bring and maintain it in these debates where it’s often otherwise absent.

[@jakemp42]

I love how when Destiny said, “do you understand,” the women immediately got offended and accused him of misogyny and then just a few minutes later they said the exact same words to him. Their injection of those accusations just shows how incapable they are of defending their position or being able to answer any of his questions. When his voice was raised, they’re like “I love when a man yells at me,” as if they weren’t shouting and talking over his answers the entire debate.

[@laurenledbetter5591]

To be fair m, the girl on the left didn’t do that. It was the girl on the right.

[@kuroichan101]

Most frustrating debate ive ever listened to. They are purposely misunderstanding just to "win"

[@2750djbt]

​@@TheEverFreeKingyou're miserable 😂😂😂

[@Falroth]

​@@TheEverFreeKinglol

[@aadn.]

Right? I’m literally pro-life and 100% side with Destiny… yikes

[@slain4ever]

Throughout the whole thing I kept trying to decide if they were being bad faith or if they were just stupid. I honestly still am not sure. I think Lila was somewhat trying, but seemed to play off kristan a lot. But Kristan I'm not sure which one, perhaps both.

[@Myblacknadz]

@@aadn. if you side with destiny you cant be pro life lol. unless your just being stupid.

[@hannahmayz]

This is the worst debate I've ever seen, the moderator did not moderate whatsoever. Both ladies need to learn how to debate properly, constantly interrupting while screaming is not a debate - yikes!

[@cannakage7114]

Gotta remember bro, the true purpose of these videos isn’t actually to debate, it’s to entertain and farm content.

[@fvb7]

A) This is in no sense a serious channel. 100% for entertainment. B) He did try once but Destiny told him don't worry I've got it don't be a third person interrupting me. And I'm not sure the birds even remembered there was anyone else in the room.

[@stevesanders5348]

Holy fuck Gish gallop

[@Chatillgbt]

The irony of this all is that being “pro life” is actually anti feminist

[@ballisticfish1212]

Destiny’s argument at about 49:00 about miscarriages is actually really good. Under their pro-life logic, accidentally having a miscarriage because you didn’t know you were pregnant is equivalent to letting a child die due to negligence

[@65impact]

I saw these two give lectures at colleges and debate with students and they seemed so intelligent that I thought this would be a challenging debate for destiny. The only challenge he seemed to have was getting through their insufferable bad faith method of argumentation. I guess anyone can look smart debating kids lol.

[@LipSyncLover]

Steven crowder is a prime example. He's not exactly smart

[@Ajinzem]

Benji as well

[@psahota9306]

That's why they target college students.. its easy to look intelligent when debating a 19 year old.

[@amp4105]

holy these 2 are creating rad-fem college karens, 2030 is gonna be wild.

[@gadoatl5133]

They had him on his heels the whole debate. Let’s be honest.

[@missinterpretation4984]

I like how right after Kristin says she’s against socialized healthcare, Lila says she wants child tax credits and for birth to be free. And they smile and nod at each other right through that with no irony detected.

[@LunarLocust]

You're asking for logical consistency from women...

[@laurendaryani4893]

There were so many moments where their lack of self-awareness made me want to rip may face off. They're legends in their own minds.

[@Crazy09starkillor]

They are geniuses, they're actually portraying the typical 2 brain cells that conservatives have. So deep, would recommend this play to anyone

[@komlat253]

Hahaha that's hilarious wtf 🤣

[@ericomfg]

Well the distinction is that there's still a market involved in the latter solutions

[@user-xy4qr3mc6e]

this was the most biased moderator ever. those women talked over him the ENTIRE time, and then the minute he interrupts even briefly the moderator steps in

[@rossgoldman8264]

Destiny, you are in an uneviable position...good on you for fighting this fight

[@AtomicProBomb011]

Her: You can't use a hypothetical that's not based in reality, it doesn't match the situation! Also her, 10 minutes prior: So what if you talk to GOD and he tells you that you were wrong? Edit: And it doesn't end there folks Her: I hate when men ask these stupid questions like "Do you understand that blue and purple are different?" as if you're stupid UGH Also her: "Do you honestly believe that consciousness is just injected after conception at some point" / "Do you honestly think the mother's body tells the child how to grow?"

[@Mant111]

More stuff that never happened? When the heck did she say that about God, did I miss it? Timestamp?

[@crzyprplmnky]

​@@Mant111maybe halfway through, I watched it in pieces

[@heechanlee8603]

@@Mant111 yeah she def said it i dunno the timestamp dont be lazy

[@AtomicProBomb011]

@@Mant111 15:17

[@CEWIII9873]

yeah, we had some songs in the nineties about this already "What if God Was One of Us" "Tell Me All Your Thoughts on God"

[@theweeklydaily2024]

the amount of intelligence I gained listening to Destiny’s arguments was completely offset by the brain damage I suffered while listening to these two women. I’m at a breakeven. I’ve basically gained nothing. 😂

[@theweeklydaily2024]

@@TheEverFreeKing you’ve been under like every comment saying weird shit dude. go outside.

[@Tikisamurai]

@@TheEverFreeKingthat horribly written comment says everything I need to know

[@beyondtv7]

😂😂😂😂😂😂same

[@Nezgog]

Likewise, jfc

[@zedmak]

If $hit was sugar farmers would not plant cane.. if we leave the fetus it will grow into a baby. It’s not a kid. It becomes a child. Only if the mother wants it. The fetus was delivered and got life saving measures so it developed consciousness because it survived and the parties involved wanted the fetus to survive, if the fetus died it would have been a miscarriage.

[@TwitchyEatsYourFace]

Abortions do NOT dismember anything, she keeps bringing that up. Partial-birth abortions are illegal in ALL 50 states, REGARDLESS of reason.

[@jasonvancleve8140]

14 minutes in, this is already the stupidest conversation I've ever heard.

[@a1ph4z3r0]

I hope Lila and Kristan read my comment and discover that they single handedly cemented my belief in being pro-choice. They did the exact opposite of their intention by being combative, inattentive and downright obnoxious

[@luanaalmeida809]

Lila was not so bad, but if you'd like them to read your comment you should comment on their channel where they post like they've won the debate or wtv's channel assuming they posted the full debate there too.

[@justinabajian1087]

Let’s be honest. No one changed their view on either side

[@luanaalmeida809]

@@TheEverFreeKing That's not how I see it at all 😂

[@tumultoustortellini]

@@justinabajian1087 Actually, I'm kind of sliding towards destiny's position. I defined birth by dead, heart beat and brain activity. The biggest problem is that it's hard to tell when those things happen in certain situations, so you may be locking women o out before they even realize they're pregnant. The idea of consciousness being the thing that's defended follows basically the same argument but gives women more time, it's tugging at my position the more I think about it.

[@MrObveous777]

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[@schmokay]

The best part was when she said, "I love it when men yell at me." After talking over him for half an hour. As if those are the magic words to silence men. Those two women were horrible, disingenuous, narcissistic, self absorbed, bad faith debaters.

[@sg5720]

They were upset because they trying to get a man who is not an Dr or expert in this to understand where they are coming from as biological women. They will lose cause 1. He is a man and his ego will not allow him to see the bigger picture 2. He will never understand what women and carrying a child entails. 3. He already feels he is superior than them on the basis he is a man. This debate is so pointless. He will disagree because men are not the agreeable type. These ladies wasting their time. One thing my father taught me is don’t bother argue with men. They will never listen to women or only listen to the parts that benefit them. Save your breath. My father was right - as a woman I want to keep my peace.🤷🏽‍♀️😌

[@brigadierharsh1948]

@@sg5720They we’re upset because they have about three lines they use to stump most low-information people on abortion topics, and neither of them bothered to deal with a destiny’s slightly nuanced argument. There’s nothing about being a woman which makes you or them incapable of making a decent argument to a man.

[@wruzzer]

@@sg5720 he will lose cause 1. they are women and their emotions will not allow them to see the bigger picture 2. they will never understand what men and impregnating a woman entails. 3. they already feel superior than him on the basis they are women. this debate is so pointless. they will disagree because women are not the agreeable type. this dude is wasting his time. one thing my mother taught me is don't bother argue with women. they will never listen to men or only listen to the parts that benefit them. save your breath. my mother was right - as a man, i want to keep my peace.

[@WalterBurn]

@@sg5720 I agree, listen to your father and talk as little as possible.

[@dehistoriapisciumfish7639]

@@sg5720 Stop being stupid. The vast majority of women want to keep their right to abortion. You can do whatever you want but leave other women alone and don’t pretend they are on your side

[@michaelmeola3753]

The sleeping or unconscious person argument is the same as saying finding a dollar on the ground and taking it vs taking a dollar from someone who has it. If you find it its nothing, if you take it from someone its theft

[@RalfePoisson]

I'm obsessed with this video. It is like watching a 30 car pile-up on the highway in slow motion. I think the debate would have been more pleasant to watch if it was only Destiny and Lila. The other participant was basically going through the list of logic fallacies to demonstrate how not to debate. She did the ad hominem quite well (the "I'll treat you like one of my children" was quite a striking glimpse into her private life). A lot of people seemed to complain that the two women were interrupting, but to be fair, Destiny was doing the same thing. Although I would have done so too out of frustration. Every time Kristan used the word "magic" I had to mute my blood pressure monitor.

[@LilVukie]

Kristan was being super bad faith when she said that Destiny was a misogynist. As we all know, Destiny is a strong, independent woman herself. It is always so sad to see this woman on woman violence going on. So toxic

[@ajaycyriljose9419]

Lol since when do y'all started referring Destiny as woman? I'm curious coz I actually don't know the deets.

[@Szhusma]

@@ajaycyriljose9419 Jesse also said that Destiny is a womans name during a podcast with him

[@De_Selby]

​​@@ajaycyriljose9419 it's an inside joke of sorts I'd say. ?

[@lucy4cp3]

If she says “it HAS the capacity for consciousness it just needs time to DEVELOP it” one more time…

[@thegrunbeld6876]

I'm actually a genius writer, I just haven't written my magnum opus yet.

[@anjolatope-babalola2338]

What does capacity for consciousness mean?

[@tastethecock5203]

​@@thegrunbeld6876but fetus to human being and human being to writer are in different relations to each other

[@sg5720]

This is where these women go wrong- she is saying wait for the baby to have consciousness which means have the baby at full term since nothing is wrong with the child. Yet, women should not have to have babies if they do not want to it is forceful. Also women debating men on this subject is ridiculous. These ladies will never get their point across and Destiny will never understand what these women saying because he is a MAN and they are WOMEN. His ego will NOT allow him to hear- and these women will lead to others emotion and automatically go on defence. Pointless. Some subjects should be left for the master of that subject, just sayin. 🤷🏽‍♀️😌

[@SneakyBarker]

@@sg5720 huge difference between feelings and logic. These women so far deep in their own feelings its pathetic

[@kristaleeraffaelli5858]

"Have you ever considered.." MINDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS!?!! every Christian ever: "no."

[@evantri5916]

I lost brain cells everytime kristen talked. After 4 hours i lost all conscious experience and its morally and ethically valid to abort me at 30 years old. 😂

[@robg7430]

literally same down to my age 🥴

[@voLumez]

Self aborting at 30 years old

[@yajy4501]

I feel ya dawg. I’m older but at this point I think I need to be aborted as well. I didn’t even make it through the whole thing. 😂

[@missinterpretation4984]

Facts

[@PraisetheSun150]

Would it still be valid if you were in a coma and your consciousness was suspended?

[@afrodudei]

THEY CONVINCED ME, I WOULD RATHER SAVE THE 10 EMBRYOS THAN THESE 2 WOMEN FROM A BURNING BUILDING ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

[@characters.inc_1233]

Iconic comment

[@steveschenker1380]

Love it

[@TPJ1016]

Kristin literally will only hear whatever she wants to hear.

[@wtfyoumeaninvalid]

"Refusal to engage with the question demonstrates the weakness of your position." Well said.

[@egodrive]

Quick recap so you don't waste 4 hours of time you'll never get back. Destiny: "Human life starts at consciousness." Pro Life Activists: "No, it starts at conception." You're welcome.

[@EsTornino77]

Yep, well said, and they are religious so they can never concede or change their views, there is no debat here.

[@darkfoxxbunyip]

​@@EsTornino77Religion isn't the only thing, biology, science also holds the position that life starts at conception. It has less to do with what religious texts say, and more with what the definition of the word life is.

[@jamarharris9465]

When talking about life , by default you have to believe there is a God which goes to religion. Example - Amino acid,

[@darkfoxxbunyip]

@@jamarharris9465 No.

[@patrickfinnie8076]

@@darkfoxxbunyipthey say that life starts at conception not personhood which is what probably should be used to determine what gets moral consideration

[@poorhomie4121]

Kristan contributes absolutely nothing to this conversation. Lila and Destiny had some genuinely interesting exchanges (despite Lila and Kristan frequently interrupting), and Kristan made it her mission to bulldoze as many logical discussions as possible. I feel that she definitely set the tone for interruptions from the two women. I found myself cringing every time she began to speak, because she was unable to form a singular cogent argument or provide one constructive point in a four hour long conversation. Kristan is insufferable. Truly the bottom of the pro-life barrel.

[@CrimsonWolf69]

This is largely true. I watched the whole thing. Lila and Destiny, imo, were both legitimately good faith arguers. I will even say that Destiny saying THEY were bad faith was wrong, it was only Kristan who was obnoxious and had cringey bad faith takes. Maybe he didn't want to pick sides or whatever. Kristan is better at arguing with college students with terrible arguments. Destiny is not that - and Lila was, to my surprise and delight(never heard of her before this, that I recall), willing and able to engage in the heat of battle - and I will even say held her own pretty damn well. Kristan should not have been there at all, and I hope Destiny takes Lila up on her offer to do her podcast; ideally without Kristan and just 1 on 1. She's (Kristan) not the bottom of the pro-life barrel. Trust me, there is worse. But she was WAY out of her league here. Destiny's arguments were coherent, consistent and reasonable - and Lila threw it back very well, and correctly attacked the few 'mirky' parts of his argument that even he conceded were not entirely the strongest. Destiny won by far - and Lila may have tied if Kristan wasn't there. I say this as a pro-life person myself.

[@thegrunbeld6876]

Kristan actually "almost" managed to raise some good points when pressing Destiny on which one has much more devastating consequences, but she just would rather load it with bad faith arguments instead.

[@CrimsonWolf69]

@@thegrunbeld6876 Yes that's true. The idea of applying Pascal's Wager to the consequences of abortion is actually a strong pro-life argument. His argument of probability is actually fairly weak - given that the consequence of abortions is humans lives(infinite value) vs inconvenience women for ~9 months(finite value).

[@thegrunbeld6876]

@@CrimsonWolf69 right? I dont see the reason to be an insufferable jerk, instead of simply arguing like a normal person. I've seen her debates with destiny before and she just didn't even want to understand the other side argument. She came to preach.

[@CrimsonWolf69]

@@thegrunbeld6876 Wait, she has other stuff with Destiny? Yikes.... dare I google.... I really liked Lila - I hope she does other stuff with Destiny. She seemed genuinely good faith.

[@TheUntamedNetwork]

its like a sport, I think the two scoring metrics would be Cut offs per minute and GISH GALLOP MULTIPLIER. So far i'm 45 minutes in, the cut offs per minute is are 20, and the GGM is at an unprecedent 18. Which is strange, because theres only been about 4-5 unique questions asked.

[@user-fu4ey6ph9u]

name one time that Destiny was actually able to answer the question and supply his answer with reasoning without getting interrupted. I will wait

[@isaacvelasco6498]

Brian really dropped the ball, he needed to get involved more and the constant interruption. Even potentially kicking out one of them because they time and time again, continued to interrupt.

[@Kyoudontknowme]

He is pro life and a red piller, ofc he dropped the ball 😣

[@wtfimcrying]

@@Kyoudontknowme probably not that tbh

[@Kyoudontknowme]

@@wtfimcrying huh

[@nadyazify]

@@Kyoudontknowmethat’s the first thing I thought when I realized how much interruption was being allowed by the pro life.

[@Kyoudontknowme]

@@nadyazify yeah, on the whatever podcast he is literally insane

[@iiyuxxi9920]

Kristen was so genuinely infuriating to watch. Constantly throwing questions at Destiny and then tossing another one at him before he even got two words out, and wasn't even listening to anything he was saying. She was just waiting for her turn to talk the whole time. Incredibly emotionally driven and when she realized her arguments weren't winning resorted to calling him a misogynist and made snarky comments towards him. It was like watching a 5th grader arguing with the principle. The narcissistic vibes are absolutely off the walls. Had to stop halfway through because I genuinely couldn't stomach how absolutely insufferable she was.

[@johnwelch8735]

I get the feeling she has never been told no.

[@dvl00]

​@@johnwelch8735 the lunch lady should've said no a few more times to her

[@Antikukos]

Same. It's just so disgusting to watch, how on earth can someone try to reason with people like this, it's just... I have no words.

[@Shim4444]

Gish galloping pro

[@TwitchyEatsYourFace]

Seriously though, how many times did he say the cutoff would be 20 weeks before she ACTUALLY realized he said it 🤔

[@apriljk6557]

1:19:30 Yeah that's EXACTLY WHY you cut elective abortions off at 20 weeks. Because in a few more weeks the fetus *might* have the capacity to feel pain. DUH. And there aren't a bunch of women or doctors wanting to do abortions even that late. In CA, 20 years ago, I had a diagnosis of intrauterine growth retardation, which meant I wasn't producing enough amniotic fluid to sustain the pregnancy and I had to rush, because of 20 wk limitations on abortions, to decide whether i continued an unviable pregnancy or had an abortion. And continuing unviable pregnancies poses a ton of risks to mom, one of the most common is infertility or death. I was prolife before this happened to me and I'm sad i lost my baby girl but I'm glad I grew to have empathy and realize i didn't know sht.

[@thesebone5]

I’m more on the pro life side yet this debate brought me more towards destiny.

[@TomDoesTech]

My favorite part is when Destiny gives them the logical extension of their own argument and they get super offended by it.

[@JaneDoe-px9nm]

So the entire debate?

[@TomDoesTech]

@@JaneDoe-px9nm Well, yeah. I was talking specifically about 48:50

[@majinvegeta420]

My favorite part was when they cut him off..

[@majinvegeta420]

...so the entire debate

[@bluefacedquack2799]

Did she honestly just say: "You keep talking when I'm talking!" after interrumpting, shouting, talking over and being condecending for about two hours? Holy heck, the self-awareness of these women..

[@dehistoriapisciumfish7639]

At least the other one changed her behavior after a while and realized she kept interrupting

[@travisreifke4356]

Yeah...because he was interrupting them constantly as well. I keep seeing Destiny groupies saying this as if it's valid. It's such a one-sided, ridiculous claim. You know damn well he was interrupting too. It's a debate. 🤦🏼

[@bluefacedquack2799]

@@travisreifke4356 I'm, by no means, a "Destiny groupie". I just started watching his debate videos about a week ago. To me, it just seemed like if he wanted any sort of chance to get a word in edgewise he had to interrupt them every one in a while - compared to them doing it constatly. But as he states, it's a pointless debatemne since they are so invested in their platforms that they will never chance their minds or concede on any points whatsoever.

[@travisreifke4356]

@@bluefacedquack2799 I'm not saying you are a Destiny groupie. I was simply saying that I saw Destiny groupies saying that same thing.

[@savvyjohnson]

I think they know they are obnoxious and hypocritical to the point it makes people puke. That's what got them into the positions in life they are in now.

[@ButterPants]

“Im sorry I was cutting you off with my answer to your question”, I’m fucking dead 😂

[@liamjames5470]

I love how people seem to think a human being can just magically have life because they can breathe air. And here’s a reason why time is crucial. If you go to a court, and you say someone did a crime against you. If you cannot tell them the specific date of when that happened, your case gets thrown out. Even if it’s a crime did happen. If you cannot say exactly what time that happened it’s done it’s thrown out.

[@blankchangeling7353]

But there are cases where you can't give an exact time on when something happened. Just like the puberty analogy Destiny brought up, you can't give an exact date on when puberty happens cuz it fluctuates between people, but you can still prove it happened.This is the case for developing consciousness between 20-24 weeks. Using the judicial system as an apology for your case meaning nothing without an exact date isn't logical because it's very evident nowadays how unfair/rigged the judicial system is.

[@dkaik]

This debate made my pro choice position so much ingrained and justified. These women had no convincing arguments and relied on bad faith tactics to try to wrestle control.

[@CEWIII9873]

of course because for these people - it is a matter of "their faith." they want to interfere in other people's lives, and are seeking justification for doing so. It is that simple.

[@fungusz_4292]

go actually research abortion then

[@fungusz_4292]

@@CEWIII9873i’m atheist and reject degeneracy so i reject abortion. no faith involved

[@donet0death240]

@@fungusz_4292pretty unique definition of degeneracy lmfao

[@thatboi134]

⁠@@fungusz_4292Bro really woke up and decided thinking was overrated

[@zoegaines8212]

This embarrassed me so hard. How can someone not be self aware? They both talked over him, interrupted him, and seemed angry... but then attacked him like he was the one doing those things? What the heck????

[@merlin_24]

It's hard to watch these debates as someone who feels second hand embarrassment easily

[@deedee_31]

cuz the truth hurts they met their match and its about time im so sick of them especially big girl

[@deedee_31]

he's running circles squares rectangles and triangles around these delusional grifters

[@knjparadise]

gurl they were wanting to fight from the start🙈

[@davidrocha5480]

He was

[@borthYT]

Brody has never heard of a moral hypothetical 💀💀💀💀💀

[@brightshining]

This was a beautiful setup of an amazing group of people and an atrocious exemplification of how to care more about preserving the image of your ideology, and winning, than listening to the real concerns and empathy from the human being in front of you

[@drexelrep]

Welcome to youtube debate

[@brightshining]

@@drexelrep truly 😄 But still sucks, could have been such a good debate :)

[@lanicidem]

This was agonizing to listen to. Four HOURS and damn near nothing was actually discussed. I about lost my mind when Kristan said it would have been nice if Destiny stated upfront what his beliefs are after he had repeated himself over a dozen times as well as being very clear in his opening statement. Destiny is right, they know they're fucked if they engage at all so we get this travesty of a "debate".

[@CEWIII9873]

meh these people believe in an invisible sky wizard therefore they are superior to everyone else

[@aja2942]

@@CEWIII9873ese people are the ultimate bad faith actors. Their beliefs stem fundamentally from religious belief of a soul and that's why you see they won't engage in the hypotheticals. But they'll claim it's because of "Science" lmao like it matters when it comes to their religion and dress up their arguments in emotionally provoking language to play up to the audience and when that fails they try to win the argument by semantics or pointing to using a word wrong technically whilst from the context being utmostly clear what was meant. They never engage with the real argument because then there would be no debate.

[@nocturnalpie]

Oh god, when she said they got him to change his stance from 20-24 down to 20, AS IF 20 ISN'T IN THE RANGE HE INITIALLY STATED. Drives me insane.

[@thenightlifenj1]

2 of the most dishonest people I've ever seen in a debate. The loaded language was nonstop, the lack of charity was astounding, the victim mentality, it shows how weak their position is when the wont even let destiny speak for more than 5 seconds

[@markg1727]

Your mom won’t even let Destiny speak for 5 seconds

[@muzien87]

They even admit their best argument is based on emotion

[@thenightlifenj1]

@@TheEverFreeKing you're delusional if that was your takeaway from that debate .

[@bobvance-]

@@TheEverFreeKing Nice trolling, now say psyche. I would love if you could actually tell me HOW he was destroyed instead of taking the side of two people who wouldn't let him answer a single question?

[@miketesauro]

@@TheEverFreeKing simp

[@emilycaswell9593]

I'm only 40 min in, but I'm pro life all the way. But it is infuriating to watch this and see that the girls are not only talking over each other but also not letting Destiny even get a word in. Now I'm about an hour in and just wanna say that Destiny's sarcasm is making this 10x better

[@guidodurante9495]

Every time someones starts a sentence starts with "I think your position is...", and then discusses that affirmation, that whole assertion is immediately invalidated. It doesn't make sense to discuss with someone that argues that way.

[@guyfromdubai]

Just remember guys: - Never answer an opponents hypothetical and question its validity - Answer a question with an unrelated question - Question the validity of your opponents questions, but give no reason why they are invalid - Steamroll your opponent so they cant respond to all of your points - Interrupt them at all times to prevent them from responding to your points Did I miss anything?

[@lolwhatidk]

you forgot "make up your own hypothetical that is outside of reality"

[@miggydoms]

Call them misogynistic

[@mikaelawatches8225]

- Infantilize them, be condescending & call your opponent at least 2 types of bigot

[@a-ron.5040]

Wait heres one, gaslight your opponent to make them defend argments they didnt make. She kept trying to make destiny defend bodily autonomy so bad💀💀

[@wisemage0]

Make up statistics on the spot and then when you're opponent doesn't believe you: _"Oh so you don't agree with science?"_

[@ShelvedGamer]

Lila&Kristan: You're making an argument from emotion. Also Lila&Kristan: So you're saying the doctor drags the baby out of the womb with a plunger, ties the placenta to a rocket and launches the baby into space? What kind of monster are you?

[@lavellelee5734]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bonesberattled8362]

The doctor grabs the fetus with his bare hands, slams it onto the table, smashes it with a comically large hammer, and eats it.

[@cg12675]

Does that not happen though? Do they not get ripped out of their mothers wombs when an abortion is performed?!

[@ShelvedGamer]

@@cg12675 My comment said babies so no. Babies do not, in fact, get removed from the womb with an abortion. Even so. The hyperbole was everything after that.

[@IsaacLungu]

​@@cg12675Yes but it's bad faith to describe it that way. It is meant to paint him as a monster by illiciting emotion (from us)...

[@Lackie703]

"Full debate" aka "Destiny gets approximately 3 words out 4 hrs"

[@joonalehtinen5462]

Destiny is trying to explain his position and the girls interrupt him by demanding to know his position