Aba Actually LOSES Patience, Goes Glove Off In HEATED Debate

[@destiny]

Destiny Defends Himself In HEATED 3v1 Debate, Wins Over Debate Opponent ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHzRYoKqhZZkaM0

[@Astaroth-the-devils-advocate]

Is it stochastic terrorism to call someone who isn’t a Nazi.. a Nazi?

[@shanbannan17]

so when destiny sed in history. when the communists killed millions. this guy sed they ar nazis rofl this guy is crazy kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHzRYoKqhZZkaM0

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

@@Astaroth-the-devils-advocate Yes. Funnily enough, regarding the rhetoric MrGirl caused probably more harm than Fuentes based on his "softening" of pedophilia and such.

[@VisualConnection]

Mr. Girl - Is Nick Fuentes a Nazi? Destiny - That label doesn't mean anything anymore, and is therefore, unproductive to use in a typical political conversation. Nick is just going to use the confusion to his advantage, and therefore, obfuscate the question. Mr. Girl - But you still use the definition in formal conversations with your chat, etc, which means that you still hold that it has some meaning. Destiny - The mere fact that I have to explain my true meaning is proof that it has basically lost all meaning. It would be way more productive to to just pin somebody down on their policy positions. Mr. Girl - But you still use the defintion personally. You can still have a personal opinion as to whether Nick is a Nazi. What is your actual personal opinion, based upon YOUR actual defintion? Destiny - My personal opinion is that he doesn't fit the criteria outwardly. He might think something else internally, but who am I to speculate on what's going on inside his head. Mr. Girl - You are allowing him to weasel his way out through his wishy washy responses! You are allowing him to gaslight you! And now you are doing the same thing to me because you won't just answer my questions. You have been speaking with him for many months now. You should be able to tell as to whether he truly is a Nazi. And here is where we get to the whole crux of this debate. Mr. Girl wantss Destiny to label Nick a Nazi based on things like reading between the lines and speculation. Destiny however, doesn't view the world through that lens. It's not how he forms his conclusions. He doesn't try and guess what's in someone's head. He prefers to hone down on their actual positions.

[@bitterbrush2377]

Brooo...what seat in Congress did Destiny give Nick, MrGirl is unhinged.

[@arctic_beanz7503]

Aba's absolute hatred for mr.girl was so palpable. It got really awkward and tense near the end and Aba's rage was so blinding, that it almost overshadowed the whole debate and the fact that Destiny is a woman's name.

[@TyrianHaze]

All of that work, only to not bring it home by saying "women's name" instead of "woman's name."

[@WillChizzleMyNizzle]

excellently crafted, well done.

[@YovanComedy]

Amazin'

[@arctic_beanz7503]

@@TyrianHaze I'm sorry, my fellow misogynistic, nazi loving Daliban brother, I've fixed it but I must ask Allah and Des-tany for forgiveness.

[@Tavat]

*girl’s name

[@bjornnorenjobb]

I'm so relieved that Aba told him straight to his face how insufferable he is

[@ponetastic]

still dont give us two hours of our lives back. wonder if we can suck them out of mr girl and redistribute them to ourselves ala the princess bride method... if youve ever seen that movie...

[@sthaim1920]

@@ponetasticHe'd probably die of old age

[@serious7179]

@@shiiswii4136 anybody with a brain and intelligence would be triggered

[@j3n1us]

@@shiiswii4136 if feeling like someone is a moron is being triggered, then everyone on earth is triggered at least 7,000x a day.

[@serious7179]

@@shiiswii4136 I never said Mr girl was wrong. That's where your argument falls apart. I do not believe that he is wrong and I do believe that the general populace do not take the threats that Mr girl was speaking about a seriously as they should. However, Mr girl comes off as condescending, and an alarmist who doesn't calmly convey his point and doesn't really want dialogue or want to hear anyone else's opinion. That is why he is triggering. He is a terrible communicator, and if you really want your point to come across, the first key is to be able to communicate to people who have a different point of view than you. He failed.

[@ryanpercival9823]

JiDion multiple times just saved the conversation. That charisma.

[@briantrowbridge8134]

JIDion was literally the perfect streamer to pull off speaking with those white supremacist town folks, you're right about his charisma brother

[@yasserarguelles6117]

The weird thing is that if you look at chat when he first started speaking they're just shit talking him for no reason

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@yasserarguelles6117 probably because he did something like raid pokimane and tell his chat to spam something, think it was L+ratio. Wasn't a big deal, they hashed it out, he got banned (think it was perma? Twitch is retarded) because harrassment is against TOS. I could imagine some of the delusional people who watch her (these are crazy people, I don't know much about her audience, so I don't know if she has a normal fanbase or not) still hold grudges, and they're just intentionally hate watching, no? There are people who are willing to spend their lives haunting People who they think have hurt their gods or goddesses. I'm assuming this is why, because I haven't seen anything he should be disliked for, but I also haven't looked.

[@gammaboi6073]

Jidion is funny and charismatic but so uninformed, uneducated and ignorant that it’s painful lol

[@boondocktax5179]

Really? I just find him unfunny and annoying lol

[@liamandrew2481]

Aba has slowly become my favorite Destiny orbiter, not only is he incredibly cool and down to earth. He is also incredibly intelligent and provides a lot of nuance. Love that the F&F arc means we can see him more

[@trashee973]

I love Aba, I think he's the best person in this entire arc and the only one who's opinion I respect. But I think calling him an orbiter is a little disrespectful. He's got a channel much bigger than Destiny's, orbiter kind of implies that they don't have much else going on outside their relationship with tiny.

[@telstraRobs5]

@@trashee973 They orbit each other like the moon and the earth orbiting each other. But Aba doesn't have a stream so that's why he pops up here.

[@liamandrew2481]

@@trashee973 I guess it could be viewed as disrespectful, though I think it more descriptive since he's been on more than a handful of times. Not to mention Aba as an individual brand is not his main bread and butter so to me it's not like "Aba from Aba and Preach" but more "Aba who likes to talk about redpill issues". Which to me is more personable and chill, like a spaceship delegation from the "Aba and Preach" solar system 😋

[@coolcat1530]

@@KennedyIvy Yikers

[@liamandrew2481]

@@KennedyIvy even after this arc Nick is still number 1? Damn either Mrgirl is right or Aba is about how bad Mrgirl is for the conversation

[@deadzoneternity]

The absolute irony in Mr girl, a terminally online debate bro bringing up a fallacy in every other sentence, calling fucking Aba, a traveling comedian that spends most of his time socializing in the real world a terminally online debate bro, is fucking hilarious.

[@alswisha8519]

Calling him what

[@deadzoneternity]

@@alswisha8519 Edited it in, thanks

[@alswisha8519]

@@deadzoneternity glad to help

[@kingflamealot3714]

projecting as usual

[@keirscott-schrueder5625]

that actually made me need to pause the vid

[@lumayne8829]

MR. Girl: "we need the word nazi" Destiny: "we do not need the word nazi" MR. Girl: "That's not what i said at all youre gaslighting me"

[@Aura_baby]

Unfortunately the word Nazi has been buried into the mud so hard it has lost its meaning. 80 years later, and people still make Nazis out to be Fascists, when it isn't like that at all.

[@rttp-righttothepoint6656]

your gaslighting mne just like hitler gaslighted the jews in the holocasut.

[@ezanadaniel9149]

destiny is absolutely wrong

[@20Tresten]

@@ezanadaniel9149 Explain. Destiny's whole point is instead of saying the word Nazi, you can attack every position a Nazi holds and destroy all the ideals of Nazism without invoking the word itself. There is so much negative connotation around the word Nazi, and its use is super ambiguous to now refer to most republicans, that it just makes more sense to not use it to attack someone. You can make someone look like shit by pointing out their world view is insane, without labeling them a Nazi even if they are one.

[@liam-398]

@@20Tresten The point here was (and I hate mr. girl) that Destiny can easily define if someone is or isn't a nazi by his personal standards. i.e. when Vaush by his personal standards defines Bush and Scalia as Nazi's, Destiny firmly disagrees. By that line of argument, Mr. Girl establishes that Destiny has a given position on what does and does not constitute a nazi. So he follows that up by asking Destiny if by that SAME line of reasoning, he would argue that Fuentes is a nazi. Destiny then evades the question by answering that Fuentes does not fit the 'dictionary' or 'literal' definition of a nazi. Thereby changing the question. Your argument invoking 'the point' is similarly evasive. Mr. Girl actually outright states that in spite of Destiny caring or not about 'the point', he wants to hear a clear cut yes/no/I don't know yet -answer.

[@Yellloow]

Aba such a great addition to the community. Not babying Mr.Girl.

[@briano9397]

It's specifically great for me because I never took destiny seriously before Ukraine. Aba n Preach was my favourite KZbin channel. Now I respect destiny's mind in this new arch more than anyone. Seeing all this clash and mix and grow is insane. Also has anyone heard from Mr Girls slave dead sex girlfriend ? Is she still breathing

[@nimloc1670]

Agreed, I never thought I'd see him on this debate side of KZbin, but he's just as entertaining as usual.

[@JakobChristensenAnimation]

Yeah thank god Aba calls out MrGirl's bullshittery.

[@EverythingKeem]

I think mr. Girls argument needs to be directed at sneako

[@dgnrt-z1260]

Aba is destiny's yes man all his convos are boring af

[@OJuggernautO]

Glad Aba went off on Mr.Girl like that. He said what a lot of people feel. I don’t care how intelligent you are, how good your argument is, how “right” you think you are, how right I think you are or even how right you actually are. When you’re CONSTANTLY interrupting people in a conversation or debate, especially when no one is doing that to you AND you’re getting to talk uninterrupted for long periods of time, I’m not going to give a single f*ck what you’re saying. It’s unimaginably obnoxious, annoying and frustrating to even listen to as someone who isn’t even apart of the conversation. It’s almost as if Mr.Girl believes “pushback” or whatever he wants to call it is being able to go on long diatribes and if you pushback on the pushback, you somehow believe you’re devoid of criticism. What Aba said was 100% correct. And I know Mr.Girl will say he doesn’t care, but maybe he should. Like at this point, I don’t even know what Mr.Girl’s argument or point is. Other than wanting Destiny to not be friendly towards Nick. To me, it feels like above all else, that’s mainly what he wants. He wants Destiny to treat Nick the same way he would Keffals, Vaush, or Hasan. But who really knows? Because Max is absolutely horrible at getting his point across without being an obnoxious douchebag about it.

[@obamastoes9736]

Can you time stamp that? I'm sick of hearing Max talk.

[@ezanadaniel9149]

whatever you said was probably cringe, mr girl made a fantastic point and i’m not sure why aba was so obtuse as not to see it

[@OJuggernautO]

@@ezanadaniel9149 What does this even mean? If you didn’t read anything that I wrote, then why the fuck are you even commenting on it? Inb4 “heh, bEcAuSe I cAn”.

[@2010narutovssasuke]

@@ezanadaniel9149 This is exactly what Ethan Klein did when talking about that Aba and Preach video. How tf are you commenting on shit you didn't even read/watch?

[@nokyap4638]

MrGirl had to defend himself in a conversation against 3 people and he was interrupting Destiny because he was dodging his questions. And the other 2 interrupted the conversation just by joining in the discord. So yeah he was interrupting people but righteously did so. Who are these 2 to just join in and talk without being invited. MrGirl wanted Destiny to admit that he has given power to a person that potentially can motivate people to harm others or themselves and Destiny was avoiding to admit at first and not answering clearly so MrGirl interrupted him because why do you want a person to answer fully if the person you asked a question is answering a question that no one asked.

[@kristinkirschenmann1163]

Aba just became my hero. Jesus Christ it has never been so satisfying to hear another person speak.

[@saidrew1030]

I'm loving how Aba and Destiny are having all these hilarious debates

[@desert_druid_xD]

Good duo is good duo

[@JuanPachexo]

Yo! Same! Content lately been straight 👌🏽

[@aSSGoblin1488]

destiny doesnt use the kkk argument against aba tho. he promised!! uWu

[@ZaZaZoo22]

@@ismailmekebri6724 😂 I miss mushrooms! I haven’t come across them in nearly 20 years. Good times

[@aSSGoblin1488]

love how aba told mr girl that that he has a moral imperative bwhwhwwhwhwhw to warn his good friend steven!!!!!!! shii i messed my keyboard with coffee spit tkae

[@edward3908]

i've never seen MrGirl this unhinged. what's the point of being in a call with other people if you're not going to let them talk? just put out a video essay at that point..

[@Namasknight]

Have you seen his sex talk with his gf? He's always been deranged

[@Gchildwarrior]

I would have dropped the conversation right there. I don't have the time nor the pettiness to deal with that bs

[@Kappi__]

Me girl need the views from destiny for his 'art' project

[@WanderTheNomad]

You've really never seen him this unhinged before? Really?

[@Crissybooable]

He’s like this all the time

[@ChaseFace]

Aba absolutely nailed MrGirl with PINPOINT precision why he's becoming so insufferable to listen to. Wants freedom to diatribe for 5 minutes, interrupts you IMMEDIATELY into your first sentence because he thinks you're insulting him by not addressing his point, and then whines about how you're mischaracterizing him. How fatiguing.

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

Well, another part is the following: He repeatedly cherry picks what you say, but lies repeatedly and emotionally appeals to bullshit. Dude is the definition of "My feelings are superior to your actual, factual statements."

[@radred609]

Mr girl means exactly what he said and never implies anything beyond his exact words, how dare you imply he might be implying anything beyond his exact words, but everybody else needs to ignore people's stated positions and criticise them based on their "real" inner thoughts.

[@uUuWolf16uUu]

@@radred609 Yeah. Dude is fucking unhinged. I understand why his therapist dropped him (not joking, he said himself that his therapist didnt want him around anymore)

[@igorpedro8995]

Could we say that Aba treated MrGirl like a little clown boy ?

[@redshift912]

@@radred609 calm down

[@atlas-3012]

MrGirl: "Stop interrupting me. You're gaslighting me. Stop changing the subject. Let me finish my point." *_Proceeds to Interrupt, Gaslight, Change the Subject and not let Destiny finish his point for 2 hours_*

[@nikolaskoutroulakis571]

Mr Girl: you’re derailing the conversation Also Mr Girl: derails the conversation

[@off6848]

Everyone in Miami: does rails during conversation

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@off6848 I heard that COVID really fucked up drug distribution. People putting Fentanyl in everything to make up for shitty product

[@mass_stay_tapped_in528]

@@off6848 W

[@penpointred]

Mr.Girl is always derailing the conversation. Always and it’s so fucking annoying.

[@nikolaskoutroulakis571]

@@penpointred Tru. It’s really frustrating too, because buried in all that cancer, there is occasionally good criticisms I think. He is just so bad at delivering them.

[@albinnn4]

Aba is so on point with everything he says. Max came off as an incredibly likable and introspective person at the start, but has proven himself the opposite as time goes on. He knows how to wield language, but he can't engage with anything outside his own ego driven mind.

[@benjammin775]

100 % Aba had the wisdom and integrity to lay it all out like that I respect him even more now

[@atriiio4244]

Aba is amazingly articulate with his rant on mrgirl.

[@Rob1Esco]

Thank you Aba. I’m sick of Destiny going so easy on Max all the time. Max just seems not not give a fuck about anyones opinion but his own and Destiny needs to start pointing that out more. Just annoying seeing a grown child get away with being so self absorbed all the time

[@thepubquiz3198]

I think what Mr Girl needed to do, was to just bring up the definition of Nazi, (You could argue, that Max was trying to trap Destiny in a sense by not bringing it up, or didn't want to bring it up, just so he could keep spouting his opinion etc but then Destiny didn't bring up the actual definition either) It just seems odd to me that no one did this. Oxford Dictionary: Nazi *1* "Belonging to or connected with the National Socialist party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945" Okay so Nick isn't a Nazi in that sense, but..... Oxford Dictionary: Nazi *2* " (Disapproving) Using power in a cruel way; having extreme and unreasonable views, especially racist or anti-Semitic views (= feelings of hatred for people who are not white, who are Jewish, etc.) Does Nick have extreme, unreasonable and racist views, I would say yes, and I think so would Destiny, therefore, in that sense, Nick is a Nazi. Now you can say, I think that definition of the word diminishes, the importance of the original definition, so I don't want to even engage in it, and refuse to, on moral grounds. I would rather just state, that he has, extreme, and unreasonable, racist views. And I would say that personally. I refuse to engage with that definition of the word, on moral grounds, so in regards to *1* No Nick is not a Nazi, but he does have extreme, unreasonable and racist views.

[@HOFxBoards]

I appreciate destiny. No other left wing person is doing what he’s doing right now and it’s working. Allowing other ideas and then pushing back on those ideas is exactly how you deradicalize people, not disregarding them entirely. I think destiny can genuinely transform a lot of people.

[@corneliuscapitalinus845]

I appreciate his LibSwag but none of us hardrighters are gonna be converted. Maybe the folks that literally just latch ont9 whatever the algorithm feeds them- the types that were essjaydubbyaOWND and then got contra promos and did the whole "i used to be "Altrite" oh the humanity" (and anyone altrite can tell that yeah this was just a skeptic).

[@Solidus__]

This is a pipe dream, all these people like destiny are doing is farming views for money. Nothing is ever going to be solved when one side of American politics is a insane cult. Get real

[@surfingbilly9654]

Except for the fact that the left wing is probably one of the most radicalised groups of people right now.

[@chrisbosh584]

@@cwilliams6884 true, but because he has changed his mind on multiple occasions mid conversation with people, your point is irrelevant

[@Syn741]

@@cwilliams6884 your point is irrelevant. destiny has mention many times he swayed from right leaning to left. that's also a good indication that you're wrong.

[@somerando8615]

1:13:58 Aba took 5 seconds to demolish Mr. Girl's argument from 2 debates and a bigass reddit post.

[@m4anow]

1:08:36 Aba with a strong W. 2 politicians one says they lie for effect, the other doesn't say they lie for effect-more trust goes to the one that says they'll lie . Perfect takedown of mrgirl's biggest talking point against Fuentes

[@THEG00DF3LLA]

Aba speaking for the people ✊🏿

[@Eridu]

🙏🏽

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

SOY!

[@tonyhacker5980]

🙏🏻

[@colbyrob4814]

THAT DUDE ACTUALLY MADE MY NIGHT

[@jdkingsley6543]

No hes not, I actually sided with Mr girl.

[@blingximus]

Aba was on point. I was actually on-board with the points MrGirl was making and I can tell he's a smart dude - but holy fuck is he accusatory, judgemental and just plain rude.

[@DJ.Generation]

He comes off as self righteous

[@wout4yt]

I wonder, why do you think mr Girl is smart.

[@blingximus]

@@wout4yt his ability to quickly identify fallacies mid argument and verbally point them out in a succinct way. Like when he called out Aba trying to be facetious with his argument about what Jidion did with the KKK

[@dru9217]

hes a jeew.... alot of them are like this.

[@LuciusFox24]

@@blingximus so you ignored all the times that he misused terms like gaslighting, false dichotomy or strawman? Either you missed it or you also don't understand what these terms mean because he constantly threw out terms where they didn't apply, he is not good at pointing out logical fallacies at all or he would've realized all the logical fallacies he made himself. His entire argument was an appeal to emotion, which is a logical fallacy. Also Abas argument wasn't facetious, his point about what jidion did with the KKK actually isn't any different from what destiny is doing. Destiny is actively disagreeing with nick and attacks nicks arguments instead of throwing labels around, why does it matter that he gave a platform to a racist when we can just show how ridiculous those ideas are? Literally no different than going to interview the KKK so you can show this is how some people think.

[@MixedMamba]

MrGirl being incapable of seeing anyone else’s point, just like the first convo about this, was pretty painful. Aba popping off on him was the most productive part of this.

[@glenrichardson8266]

@@kyle2 LITERAL GASLIGHTING

[@Karmitify]

@@kyle2 repeating it and seeing it from seeing it from someone else's perspective are worlds apart. I really used to like Max but that got old real quick.

[@cp3190]

People not knowing what a communist and what a nazi is, is quite painful.

[@someguy3414]

1000%

[@ab-hx8qe]

Since this is the highest rated post, mr girl should probably have it tattooed on his body momento style.

[@unclebobboomergames]

Abas breakdown of Mr girl at the end was perfect. Summed up my entire emotions of the last 2 debates with mr girl.

[@ljsquared3210]

MrGirl is proving himself wrong every 5-10 minutes when he says Destiny is Gaslighting him. Destiny isn't manipulating him into questioning his sanity he is simply telling him he is wrong and doing so demonstrably throughout the argument. Making someone question whether or not you are right or wrong isn't gaslighting its making a good argument. Literally erasing the meaning of gaslighting in an argument about the importance of words and how they are being erased smh.

[@Aliyaaaa]

Thanks to Aba for his Service. He said what many were thinking. Mr.Girl seems to know what everyone can and cannot the best. What they feel and want. He knows. He was so uncomfortable to listen to while cutting off everyone.

[@autumneagle]

MG: "Do we need the word Nazi?" Destiny: *explains why the word Nazi isn't needed if you can hold a person accountable for their specific beliefs and how the word Nazi now has lost its meaning* MG: "You're not answering my question!" Destiny: *explains again why the word Nazi has lost meaning and why it isn't needed or necessary if you can hold people to their specific beliefs* MG: "YoUrE gAsLiGhTiNg Me"

[@supersuede91]

gaslight. gatekeep. mrgirl.

[@sthaim1920]

@@supersuede91 Hotel? trivago

[@SirAdamK87]

I don't think Max needed any help looking insane

[@jrthehunter4309]

1:45:15 As soon as Aba said "Me Personally", I knew we were about to hear something truly special. He then proceeded to say what nearly every viewer was thinking. in the words of Rick and Morty, "Even if you are right, if you are so much of an unrelenting, unlikable asshole like this, no one will want to give you the satisfaction". Of course, being right is important, but it's very difficult to read a letter ✉️ if the paper smells like shit 💩. And that's what watching many conversations with Max feels like. It's like trying to read a psych 101 textbook that you just lifted out of a pile of Manure. Max, I don't often disagree with the content of the book, but please wipe a little bit of the shit off of it.

[@beastmasterbg]

good comment

[@righteousrawb7225]

Damn lol

[@Rakstawr]

W comment 💯🔥

[@Zenith_Nulls]

😂😂

[@kyla_vina9410]

These analogies are hilarious yet true lmao

[@jackhawk8997]

De-platforming Actually does the exact opposite. People start talking about the de-platformed party and start digging. Some people dig and end up seeing something of value. Andrew Tate is the prime example of this

[@Hemroyd_Skankins]

@@uhhhfrick9767 Deplatforming hurts the current Andrew Tate, but it help the next Andrew Tate who can use the danger of deplatforming to further legitimize themselves. The ideas that Andrew Tate propagates are not new or unique, they have resurfaced before and they will resurface again. Populism will never go away as long as there are unpopular authorities to rail against. Instead of deplatforming, its far more beneficial to just debate these people and make funny videos about them.

[@SimonBJJ]

Aba - "I get your feelings are hurt" Mr Girl - "MY FEELINGS ARENT HURT"

[@damnedifido1062]

Aba really took the gloves off this stream

[@brysonius]

@@milkman1649 wat

[@ameshizen381]

@@milkman1649 how you take yo brain off.

[@lampad4549]

@@milkman1649 how was he not critically thinking?

[@jackhawk8997]

@@milkman1649 The irony

[@creativefantasybox2462]

Aba is dumb acting Cool

[@z144p]

I love how max is now the type of person mr girl would hate. This whole conversation is max pushing his idea that we should take peoples ideas and put labels on them and be cautious of hearing what they have to say and being scared of them dogwhistling even if we are gaining their true ideas from it. This seems entitely contradictory to his cuties arc.

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Dood literally came up from the hood into a nice neighborhood, but wants to shut + lock the gate after himself, ensuring no one else from the hood can come in.

[@z144p]

@@DSPHistoricalSociety Say what you want but only in the way i want you to type shit.

[@sarcasticdragon8673]

@@DSPHistoricalSociety true

[@trashee973]

Max tries to twist reality around however he's feeling at the moment. He's not consistent.

[@gottablast918]

He didnt do that. He’s saying you should be able to call a spade a spade.

[@Kappi__]

I love how Mr.girl is basically arguing about if destiny should platform him. If destiny starts only hosting reasonable opinions then we saw max the last time

[@Aliyaaaa]

Lmaoooo

[@MrSporkdude]

Honestly less mr girl would do the world good

[@GeekyC]

Always love when Aba makes an appearance 🤣 imagine if preach showed up this would of been gold

[@Gchildwarrior]

He would curse out in Mr.Girl with Haitian fire subtitles

[@randybobandy9828]

Does preach ever get on these destiny debates? I have never seen him.

[@UnCh4rT3D]

preach would probably leave the conversation immediately. he wouldnt put himself through this shit. afaik hes not the type who would have a conversation with people like mr girl cuz theres just no point in it.

[@UnCh4rT3D]

​@@randybobandy9828 he doesnt engage in this type of stuff at all

[@sk8ermGs]

Preach is barely coherent most times 🤣

[@kensword73]

I think it’s ironic that Max said that the average random person on the street has a good fundamental understanding of politics yet he called out everybody else on the panel for being “terminally online debate bros” for believing the opposite

[@ryansullivan2635]

Ironic because people like Mr Girl are exactly the type of people that make Fuentes look more appealing. People will take someone who says fucked up shit to their face over someone who says or thinks it quietly to themselves. At least you know what your dealing with with Fuentes.

[@jokersdemise]

Mr girl vs Mr girls name Finally a worthy opponent.

[@lighturpl3]

I've had people try to do this to me IRL and it's so aggravating when people try to enforce their sentimental experience on any interpersonal interaction.

[@natalier5102]

I feel like this sums up my daily social struggle. You’ve explained it without me asking.

[@MrArthurT1100]

MrGirl is exhausting. Can't imagine trying to have a conversation with him.

[@Namasknight]

Feel bad knowing he has a girlfriend who he asks to play dead when they have sex.

[@Rin-id2sd]

@@Namasknight poor girl damn

[@kimbonice]

He's one of those pretentious dudes that thinks he's way smarter than he actually is then when he actually takes an IQ test he's about as average as you can get

[@colbyrob4814]

@@kimbonice bro let’s be honest, he’s probably sub 80 with his ego in the way

[@WanderTheNomad]

I think we should be talking about his EQ instead. He can't seem to understand another person's perspective to save his life.

[@amekgomo5250]

I'm so tired of people fear mongering, telling me how I should feel about x and y and then trying to shame you for not giving a shit. Acting like if you don't get riled up at the mere mention of the kkk or nazis then there's something wrong with you. Shits tiring lmfao.

[@ChenKaifeng]

Truth, I'm just like "please go have your panic attack over there, not near me."

[@Rich-ms8dm]

So Reddit

[@lethabo713]

is Kgomo your surname and does it mean cow?

[@yusuka4ev830]

Mr.Girl slowly became intolerable as the conversation continued. I'm so happy Aba said what I couldn't.

[@nigelharvey640]

Mr. Girl fundamentally doesn’t respect the practicality of engaging people where they are and making the little wins. He only wants people to engage from where he is and for them to prove to him why he is wrong. I think Jideon’s question about going to war with Nick was actually a really good point. If Mr. Girl genuinely believes what he does, he should be debating Nick on the spot or killing him or getting him off the platform. Something extreme to match the extreme threat. But trying to convince other people that they should feel the same without using the practicality that Destiny is trying to is just him being too attached to his own purity, to the point of martyrdom, instead of actually changing things for the better. If he doesn’t want to be effective with how people work and doesn’t want to do what must be done in such a dangerous situation, then it’s just complaining. He doesn’t take his own concerns seriously. Why should anyone else? When Destiny said that Max contributed more to people not taking his points seriously, it’s true. And it’s because he doesn’t engage with people’s emotions practically. Max thought he was saying it’s because he didn’t make good enough points or he didn’t grill his friend enough. But it’s the opposite. He doesn’t know how to chill, make a connection, and let people hear the truth in a way that they can digest. Also, thank god for Aba saying what needs to be said.

[@PrimoPete]

I don't think he's attached to his purity to the point of martyrdom at all, I think Max is only slightly more distrustful of Nick that Destiny is, I absolutely honestly think he only escalated to "muh Nick super Nazi" to win the argument when Destiny cooled down his objections in their last stream. Otherwise, he wouldn't even think about the "intimate Mr Girl interview" with Nick since Nick's a couple of years away from a Nazi Germany style dictatorship. Isn't any platforming of Nick leading to a Nazi America(a la 'Man in the High Castle')?

[@nigelharvey640]

@@PrimoPete Max said in the stream that the difference between him and Destiny is that he is willing to destroy his career if it destroys Nick’s career while Destiny is not. I took this to mean Destiny is immoral for keeping his career afloat and taking a calculated risk on Nick instead of burning the bridge and clearly putting down Nick. To me the only reason he would say something like that was if he felt that dying (By this I mean extreme self sacrificing) in the name of something good was better than taking risk to acquire the influence to do the same good. They both agree on what is good but not how to do it. So to me that’s him valuing purity (or another word is integrity) over effectiveness and leverage. And because of this He couldn’t see why Destiny would take such a risk other than to profit off of it himself. Max has always been like that in the convos I’ve seen him in and it’s not a problem to see it that way. That is a value difference in the two of them. However, I think the way Max looks at what Destiny is doing as weak or malicious is an unfair perception (and a big blindspot projection) of what is a ontological difference in how to live life. Max is willing to risk it all to embody the greatest principle. Destiny is willing to risk it all on the influence of the greatest principle (that’s why he said if Nick was able to convince his audience so decisively of his views, we should all be Nazi’s). Very similar values (and it looks like to the point of martyrdom) but different enough to cause this tension in them often and in many forms. I am uncultured swine so I don’t know the reference in the last question but personally I think yes and No. The way I see it, having influence is ammunition for power. The hardcore people that would find solace in Nick’s views are ammunition destined to find him eventually when he starts making moves unless massive action (likely near tyrannical level) is taken to stop Nick entirely. But that middle (including those in Nick’s audience) is what I believe tips the scales in the end. I think this is what Destiny is betting on in building the bridge (and that might be where Destiny and myself are bias and projecting). It may be a huge mistake to bet on those people to make change happen when it counts, but then that’s a conversation on what types of people create the most leverage/power. Interesting topic but one I’m not really equipped to be sure about.

[@Rakstawr]

​​@@PrimoPete assuming in the other extreme that people wouldn't see his ideas for what they were. the whole reason we got Trump in the first place is because no one took him seriously or actually debated his ideas. it wasn't until we understood him that he was able to be defeated. and that could also be the reason Hillary lost too on the flip side of things, she was too well known. it's almost like the opposite of "better the devil you know" holds true for politics nowadays. so I don't disagree with Destiny approach to Nick at all.

[@robinthrush9672]

I've also, despite only seeing him 3-4 times, seen him torpedo his own position by being antagonistic to poorly phrase agreement, rephrasing of his position, and belligerent to others' terms while offering synonymous terms to clarify ("You didn't hurt my feelings, you touched a nerve."). I don't find him to be sincere anymore and simply wanting attention through controversy or complaint.

[@AnubisEternally]

Literally all of this!!

[@Jumper76Anton]

This year's buddy of the year award is going to be so difficult with Aba being so based all the time. And Dan being his usual sarcastic self.

[@EminusSleepus]

You clearly don’t know what based means

[@JasonLucas2]

I thought I loved Aba before this...but my love is so much bigger now. After FINALLY hearing someone say everything I've ever thought about Mr. Girl outloud...Aba you can be the godfather of all of my children forever and ever. I trust you with my family's life. Good god....THANK YOU for finally saying what so many think about Max.

[@Nikifuj908]

Hearing him say that was better than sex

[@zacharydrake7557]

I think we should all come together to appreciate just how based aba was when he was yelling at mrgirl

[@RingThatBell]

Destiny: “Words don’t have the same meanings anymore.” MrGirl: Proceeds to prove Destiny’s point by constantly accusing Destiny of gaslighting.

[@Tubleorne]

Mr Girl made a really good job making himself look insane lol

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

When you're new and watch the drama in reverse... lol

[@machobsful]

Same

[@legin777]

Who would've thought Mr. Girl would go on a censorship arc.

[@randylynch4330]

Aba is a traveling comedian and runs a cultural commentary channel (which often crosses over into the comedy aspect of his career). To call him a "terminally online debate bro" is one of the craziest things ever considering it came from a guy who is a "terminally online debate bro". Most random people think "nazi" is over used

[@-godsspeed-9159]

Mr. Girl just seems like he wants to win the argument instead of meeting common ground, what a terrible way to debate

[@cceste6885]

He doesn't think there can be common ground because the situation is so dire and the solution is so simple. I honestly agree, the way that Destiny has been interacting with Nick is rhetorically weak. Every inch Nick gets on Destiny's audience is more people contributed to Nicks movement. Nick says things that Destiny doesn't push back on, which lets Nick gain ground with Destiny's audience. Nick comes off as a harmless right-winger to most, which just lets us lend him a bit more good faith than he deserves. I also hate Mr. Girl, he just can not have a conversation without throwing out bad faith accusations.

[@robinthrush9672]

Sometimes it doesn't even feel like he wants to win; just that he wants the argument. Look at that White Grievance discussion and how he's antagonistic to people agreeing with him, but not the way he wants them to.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@cceste6885 Mr girl could not have come across rhetorically less effective than this conversation though. Mr girl definitely didn’t convince anyone who didn’t already agree with him and likely pushed a lot of people who did agree with him further away from him. Mr girl is such a terrible listeners, interrupts constantly and is so aggressive, bad faith and unbelievably uncharitable to the people he’s talking to that it makes him so absurdly dislikable to the people watching. If anything mr girl was providing cover for Nick Fuentes here by providing such an unbelievably rhetorically ineffective argument against Nick Fuentes that convinces no one who disagrees with him and will only push away people who already agree with him, just due to how unbelievably dislikable and rhetorically ineffective mr girl comes off.

[@colbyrob4814]

@@cceste6885 actual autism. Take a deep breath buddy. The scary Nazi man that ate chicken and waffles with Destiny isn't going to slam down your door and gun you down. This fake as fuck, Soy ass way of talking about Nick and his America First shit, like he's going to be gunning down people in the streets because Destiny talks to him is actually so bad faith and just straight cringe.

[@MrSporkdude]

It's just endurance he's hoping to just widdle destiny down until he agrees then when destiny doesn't do what he wants he'll hold it over his head classic manipulation

[@Trigonxv1]

Mr girl is a great example of someone who thinks they are smarter than everyone in the room

[@railguncs]

like every leftie

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Honestly, I take MrGirl's side despite his arguments. Even though Destiny obviously argues against Nick, Destiny should be more careful about the manner he platforms him.

[@railguncs]

@@Shark-hn4mv careful in what way? the leftie way?

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

He has a point of view and is expressing it. Terribly sorry if the exercising of free speech intimidates you

[@TheTGOAC]

@@roarbertbearatheon8565 a lot of people exercise their free speech everyday, like me when I call Mr. girl a pompous prick who couldn't debate his way out of kindergarten.

[@generaldane]

I can see the argument against platforming someone if you're gonna invite them on to just spout their nonsense unchallenged but if you bring them on and allow give them enough rope to hang themselves whilst systematically bit by bit countering their rhetoric in a clear and concise manner I say that's doing a positive overall because how these people build up their influence in the first place is by remaining unchallenged and using pseudo intellectual arguments that have just have the right amount of appeal to sound reasonable if left unchallenged, but as soon as they come under any kind of scrutiny they tend to fold like a piece of paper.

[@ArlindoBuriti]

that is why you dont deplatform people... you can debate him.

[@creeperrobot6859]

Aba was right about Mr. Girl. It was so infuriating watching him talk over people. Even though he made some good points, I found myself disregarding them completely because he's so annoying.

[@righteousrawb7225]

Damn

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

Disregarding points because someone is annoying is very illogical. I hope that you can value facts and logic in the near future so that you can find the truth.

[@creeperrobot6859]

​@@JoeMama-gi1so What I meant by that, is that even though he was making good points I was so annoyed, that part of me didn’t care. I recognize they were good points, but his delivery made me feel like disregarding them. Mr. Girl needs to improve his delivery, like Aba said, in order to better reach more people.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@JoeMama-gi1so Illogical maybe, but not unreasonable. At least not to a normal person. You can either wish/force everyone to be completely logical unfeeling robots, or you can meet them where they're at and treat them as they are. I personally think the latter would be more effective at accomplishing whatever goals you wish to achieve.

[@JoeMama-gi1so]

@@WanderTheNomad I know what you mean but I think sometimes I have a large character flaw, I'm just too logical sometimes.

[@wintermintmojo2418]

Its hilarious to me that Jidion and Aba came in and proved Destiny’s point exactly.

[@moopuspoopus]

The main issue I have is that Max is arguing from a point of, "Worst case scenario", which, by his own admission, is beyond unlikely to happen. Not that it WON'T happen, but the likelihood is incredibly, incredibly slim. To Max's credit, I think giving someone more influence/wealth, albeit as a secondary means to trying to, or successfully defeating their ideas, is definitely a negative. HOWEVER, I think the incredibly important position that Destiny/Aba/JiDion are taking, is that obtaining a broader idea of what Nick believes is of inestimable importance, because not everyone is going to be as remotely open as Nick is to talk about their beliefs, OR they will be even sneakier with their language. They also may not even be on the same side of the political spectrum as Nick, (just as a throwaway example, those on the left who also don't like interracial marriage) so calling them a *bad WW2 person* won't help you win any real points. In general, being able to say something beyond, "I don't like this person because they're a *insert prototypical belief structure/bad word here*" and INSTEAD be able to say, "I don't like this person because they believe in these 357 awful things that I personally detest or disagree with" is far more helpful to the individual. Not only because they can understand why they disagree with the things they disagree with, instead of being mindlessly against some sort of abstract web of beliefs; but it means you aren't painting your opposition with a giant broad stroke, and avoid getting caught in situations where you assume they hold beliefs that they don't actually hold. Which would then weaken your position, and allow your opposition to be able to sneak in a "gotchya" moment. That being said, I also think it's super important to keep in mind that said opposition is still a human being, and should be treated like a human being; no matter how awful or abhorrent you find their beliefs. So treating them as though they're simply crazy doesn't really help any sort of realistic or helpful discourse progress (even if they ARE crazy). But hey, I'm just a fucking internet nerd with plenty of shitty opinions, myself ;)

[@moopuspoopus]

However, to stick up for Max a bit again, I don't think he has a bad point or that he's wrong by any means. I simply think his idea of how to handle the situation, and the priority he puts on attempting to prevent particular outcomes is different. That's all.

[@ChemicalTen]

LOL Jidion "Wait....why are yall calling him a pedophile?"

[@HaleyStark.]

Wish I could have seen all their faces 😂

[@WhyILoveNYC]

“Sometimes you just need to shut up!” Aba you said exactly what I was thinking. A bad listener is usually a BULLY screaming, You’re gaslighting me, you’re gaslighting me!

[@Meatwad650]

Aba coming in with the truth.

[@SteamedToast]

57:21 This back and forth is actually comical! D: It's possible I contributed MG: HOW DARE YOU HIDE BEHIND 'POSSIBLE' D: It's a possibility MG: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? D: Do you know 100% Nick would have talked to Sneko if it wasn't for me? MG: I didn't say it's 100%! I said it's probable! D: Okay! So it's probable / possible. MG: PROBABLE AND POSSIBLE ARE YOU HIDING! YOU'RE GASLIGHTING ME!

[@REDDAWNproject]

Mr. Girl is literaly embodying that old 4chan pol meme of "I may be a pedophile, but at least i'm not a nazi". (I know its more nuanced than that)

[@REDDAWNproject]

the end of this debate was orgasmic. BASED ABA.

[@norsegaud]

Destiny, the reason I subscribe to you and not MrGirl is exactly because of your stance on debating people. Labeling them just polarizes and shuts down any opportunity. Keep doing what you're doing please.

[@justanothernick3984]

Help me understand one thing here; Between two nitpickers here, MrGirl, annoying as he is, is holding Destiny's feet to the fire. How is he wrong? I agree to understanding to build bridges instead of shutting down conversation but Destiny just went Jordan Peterson on definitions and it's fair for MrGirl to point that out. This I say as a long time Destiny sub and as a guy who dislikes most of the conversations with MrGirl. Don't know why I entered this video...

[@norsegaud]

@@justanothernick3984 Who said MrGirl is wrong?

[@justanothernick3984]

@@norsegaud Destiny isn't engaging in the question and is slithering like JBP when being confronted. That's all.

[@norsegaud]

@@justanothernick3984 Hmm... I didn't see slithering. Are you sure you aren't just imagining that because you're not getting the reaction you want?

[@justanothernick3984]

@@norsegaud Nope, I quite like Destiny's centrist takes but not enough to hide the ball.

[@spicymayo3242]

I have a feeling MrGirl was the person that made that comment that he has such a problem with Destiny deleting. MrGirl is the worst kind of person to have on the internet. Everything hurts his feelings. He's the weirdest mix of those white people that get offended for other races and cultures when they themselves aren't mad and a Karen. it's terrifying.

[@zaktilzer5130]

I actually agreed with Max on some of his points last debate. But hes wrong overall. Destiny does not let Nick get away with dancing around his beliefs or past. He called him out multiple times in the panel with Aba. The big reason for me, that the platforming argument is garbage. Its not 1995 anymore. We have to engage these people. And hopefully bring some of them back to reality.

[@Jo-bs2uu]

Max's biggest weakness is he thinks ideological differences=the other people lying

[@Deneteus]

@@Jo-bs2uu They are lying because people when confronted will waffle to prevent having to risk admitting they were wrong. His cognitive dissonance was showing. If he thought Nick really wasn't a Nazi he should have called him one considering he has known him for years. The fact he can't answer with a straight face on stream means he doesn't want to face the truth.

[@jackhawk8997]

True.

[@Solidus__]

You don't believe you can bring these people back, you along with the rest of this ridiculous debate bro bs just want content! Keep talking to these nutjobs, I'm sure they care

[@Jo-bs2uu]

@@Deneteus he called him a nazi he just dosen't think it's useful to call Nick a Nazi and thinks he can reach Nick's audience. you can disagree and say that's dumb but the mind reading is Dangerous because you can dismiss arguments and never have to think you're wrong

[@bayazwow]

I feel MrGirl's pain on the non-committal language part. It's so out of character for Destiny too because in the past he would get frustrated with far left people for never owning their positions, now he is doing the exact same thing. But somewhere down the line MrGirl's argument changed from just being annoyed that Destiny won't speak out against Fuentes with strong words, to MrGirl having a problem with Destiny platforming Fuentes at all. And that's just horseshit. Of course then it devolved into memeing and Aba and MrGirl hating each other

[@25uzumaknight14]

who's gaslighting whom more ? The one who digs for specific position case by case or the one who's asking the other to say the same words as him? (I know its been a year but MrGirl is always doing the same type of speech)

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

So I was not the only one that thought that MrGirl was not good at listening. I had started having this feeling for a couple of weeks, and after that white grievance panel, I have started to see it even more. I do not think he is dumb or being malicious. He thinks he already knows what someone is thinking, so he seems to feel it is sort of pointless to keep listening.

[@WanderTheNomad]

"He thinks he already knows what someone is thinking" I would consider that being dumb. The problem is when someone is so dumb that you can't tell if they're being malicious or actually that dumb. And you just assume they're being malicious because there's no way anyone could be that dumb.

[@nwgverified]

YESSSS PUSH BACK ABA

[@AkaroXIV]

Based fucking Aba. MrGirl's best points is his willingness to give thought to sensitive topics, but holy fuck it's like he just talks to himself with how he just projects onto eveerybody. It's tiring, and I've been waiting for someone to tell him this for fucking ages. Pity he didn't hear a word of it.

[@Tero133]

Listening to him speak for extended periods of time actually leaves me feeling physically exhausted. It’s such a slog.

[@Shniedelwoodz]

MrGirl is pretty good at projecting his own thoughts onto others.

[@cosipurple]

Empaths in a nutshell

[@odst2247]

Pretty sure that’s communication in a nutshell..

[@C1umsyJester]

@@cosipurple as an empath I’d like to say mrgirl is absolutely insane and has no ability to regulate any of their thoughts or emotions. Just because you feel at extremes doesn’t mean you need to act on all those things

[@unfortunate000]

@@odst2247 then you lack communication skills

[@odst2247]

@@unfortunate000 communication is literally projecting your thoughts into others the hell are you talking about. How else are you gonna communicate, telepathy?

[@jackorlove4055]

Mr. Girl is agonizingly pedantic, like to an unproductive degree. And it doesn't help that he can't move on from a point, it's seriously like listening to a broken record. He keeps saying the same thing and keeps getting the same answer. This was more like an interrogation than a debate or conversation... Mr. Girl already knows what he wants to hear come out of Destiny's mouth and keeps pushing him to say it, but the problem is that Mr. Girl is assuming Destiny isn't being honest, when he is. Like at some point dude you need to realize when it's time to move on and let it go. You're not gaining any ground, so maybe it's time to reassess your assumptions about Destiny, and your assumptions about what he's doing? There was so much whataboutism too.. why aren't we talking about the potential benefit of what Destiny is doing, versus if he wasn't doing it? Like it automatically is just bad? Again Mr. Girl is just making massive assumptions and leaping to a conclusion. I also hate how he constantly feels the need to speak over people as if the words coming out of his mouth matter more. Aba is right, it is highly egotistical. Mr. Girl, the Reason you probably feel gas lit all the time is because it's legitimately insane how inflexible you are, like to an irrational degree. You were starting to sound like that guy in the Klaus Schwabbe debate who basically refused to debate Destiny and spent half of it reading this massive essay on the new world order. It's like if you don't hear the answer you want to hear your brain just melts down and you assume he's being dishonest. It's give and take dude. Learn when it's time to move on to a new point. Destiny gave you an answer, and again, if he's being honest, there's only so much to pick apart, which is why you kept going in these huge circles, over and over and over.

[@bookoo0193]

I feel bad that this comment is probably gonna get berried but i feel the same. at first it was endearing but after watching a couple of conversations with others, under the suedo intellectual veneer is just someone with his own idealized vision of the world in his head and an absolute refusal to see the world as it actually is. The fact that he keeps harping on about how destiny has the power to define words to a community that is extremely loose and dictated on loads of extenuating circumstances of which he is only the figurehead for is extremely telling.

[@robinthrush9672]

As someone who is pedantic, he is exhausting. He takes pedantry to a whole new level. If someone doesn't agree with him _they way he wants it to_, he will make an antagonistic remark and push it away. Dude won't win because he makes it impossible for himself.

[@sanudasa5652]

If this comment was on Mr. Girl's reddit it would be deleted

[@jenispizz2556]

Mr. Girl appealing to what a normal person thinks a Nazi is was legit a moment of pure disconnection. Normal people accuse Trump and Biden of being a Nazi even though they're on opposite ends of the spectrum. He made a complete fool of himself by doubling down on this.

[@dumdude1083]

That aba rant kinda made it worth listening to Mr girl repeat himself 20 times to get to

[@ZachariahP15]

Aba really hurt him deep when he said 'I dont like you'

[@AdamantiumGooner]

Aba speaks truth

[@TheRealPoppaNickles]

It’s conversations like this that make me realize that MrGirl isn’t a great communicator. He wants to bash Destiny over the head with his beliefs, and the only correct answer is to agree with him. Nothing will change his mind, nothing ever does or ever will.

[@pedro15305]

Damn man, I'm absolutely on mrgirl's side of the argument. Destiny is overly friendly with Fuentes, which makes him and his abhorrent views more palatable to a highly influential audience (which he knows but doesn't care cause the exchange is positive from his perspective); but god damn mrgirl engages and attacks it in such a garbage way its hard to be on his side. He only makes it look worse. Edit: Based Aba

[@samflynn3670]

yep, right message, wrong messenger maybe

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@samflynn3670 I would say definitely, not maybe.

[@emishi3779]

I found your channel after seeing you on fresh and fit and was so shocked that you were the only voice of reason in the entire thing.

[@sirfreakish]

Destiny gives Mr Girl a chance to clearly state his two points or two questions that he wants answered. Mr Girl only states one of them and goes on a rant creating a bunch of micro arguments. This is a strategy that he just complained about against Destiny.

[@vergil8833]

This debate boils down to "Jew gets mad at black people for not listening to him"

[@oniondesu9633]

"I don't wanna see Nick Fuentes erased from the internet, I think he should be allowed to have a youtube channel" "I'm willing to end my career to also end Fuentes'" -mrgirl, about an hour apart from eachother don't think this guy is being as honest as he likes to pretend

[@colbyrob4814]

I’m actually about to make Aba fucking rolling mr.girl my ringtone

[@voidless1]

I agree with Mr Girl's position about Nick, but I'm curious about why no one brought up the fact that one of the first things he did after meeting Steven was hosting an interview with Richard Spencer...

[@jacovichstabs841]

There's nothing hypocritical about Mr Girl's platforming of Spencer. Mr Girl explicitly says he's pro-platforming and he'd have a one on one convo with Nick. The problem Mr Girl has is with the way Destiny is platforming Nick. He believes Destiny shouldn't be having food with Fuentes, joking around with him etc because he believes the result is that he's sanitising Fuentes to his large audience.

[@voidless1]

@@jacovichstabs841 Maybe, but his goal was also to get people to empathize with Spencer so isn't it a little more hypocritical?

[@jacovichstabs841]

@@voidless1 From rewatching the intro to his "mrgirl talks to Richard Spencer" video, Mr Girl says his content is about bridging political divides by understanding and empathising with people on the other side. I don't think Mr Girl would have an issue with Destiny having a fairly casual/non-combative conversation with Nick about why he believes the things he does. What he has an issue with is Destiny joking around with Nick using semi-ironic racist humour that provides cover for his racist beliefs. Mr Girl wants them to be out in the open so people can see Nick for what he is. Wheras Nick wants to hide them so he can gradually normalize them and he's using Destiny to do this. So I don't think it's the same thing. The issue isn't people empathising with Nick, it's the potential for Destiny to sanitize Nick and allow him to work his insidious tactics for normalizing actual racist views.

[@SuperSayinPanda98]

You can clearly see the difference in maturity between Aba and Mr.Girl. When Mr.Girl gets heated they shut down the argument by calling it Gas lighting, or by speaking over the rebuttal. Where Aba is calm and speaks clearly while attacking the Idea head first, and is Honest instead of Grandstanding.

[@nighttrain5006]

Donating $1 to Nick for each time Mr Girl interrupts someone

[@robinthrush9672]

Damn, now Nick can afford a presidential campaign.

[@rando8831]

Mr girl needs to stop saying aba and destiny are gaslighting him and let talk god damn bruh

[@another.nikhil]

38:55 "These are not the points that I'm making" Umm hello? Destiny literally took notes of his points and responded to them directly.

[@MachineManiaOG]

I feel like the whole point of people watching Destiny is to hear all sides and have interesting discourse. The idea that Nick is going to become mainstream because of his exposure is wack. From what I understand and believe myself, the more you let extreme views stay in the shadows the more extreme they become. It’s good for civil discourse to hear them out then argue on their actual beliefs instead of just name calling or shaming based on what you perceive their views to be. I heard parts of Nick and was like yeah that’s crazy. I don’t feel any inclination to follow him or listen to him. However, it’s good to see and hear that viewpoint so you understand what they believe. You can better protect yourself from it. Also, I think Destiny is right to remove just negative posts with no actual critical evaluation of the subject matter. What’s the point of just having someone rage and call you names etc, it doesn’t push the conversation in a meaningful way. Exposing the flaws in an argument is great. Just attacking the person is dumb and a shitty take. It’s wild to me that people actually agree with MrGirl and think Nick is somehow going to become somebody with a huge following just off of Destiny debating and talking to him. I would have never been exposed to his ideas and would never even realize how deep seated and racist a lot of people still can be. It was eye opening but there is no way people are going to fall for it unless you allow him to be in an echo chamber and be a fringe person. Let him say his peace and dig his own grave with it. There isn’t going to be some fascist loving conservative movement to take over America. That’s such a bad take. I know a ton of conservatives and never have I been exposed to Nicks ideas. To me, it’s a entirely over blown scare tactic and trying to delete someone or remove them does not fix the problem. If he wants to be racist, let the world know and I guarantee he isn’t going to garner this huge following that is going to radically take over power. America is way to big and Americans while very dumb are not going to follow a cause like that.

[@onetrickekkowr]

I still don't get why calling someone a Nazi is so important than addressing and engaging with their ideas. This is not some exorcism that you have to name the demon before you get rid of it.

[@creativefantasybox2462]

Because there's no such thing as a reformed Nazi. A Nazi is always Nazi.

[@Bluurji]

@@creativefantasybox2462 I’ve never heard nick say that he wants genocide

[@creativefantasybox2462]

@@uhhhfrick9767 Nick has made his views and ideologies clear long Time ago. You already know his stand. his anti-Black, Jews, Arab, Muslim, gays, LGBTQ, authoritarian, native American. His main desire is to create a white Ethno-States at the expense of others. So what are you trying to debate him, when his made his views clear. Nothing destiny gonna say, gonna change fountes views. If you know this, then why platform him and make it cool. If Joseff Goebbels appeared with the same Aryan rhetoric would you Platform him? Destiny knows his wrong that's why he couldn't logically argue against Mr G

[@creativefantasybox2462]

@@Bluurji you're very Naive, if you think Genocide doesn't come to his mind, when he talks about Ethno-States. So how does he intend to achieve an Ethno-States? Do the people suddenly disappear and everything falls in place?

[@creativefantasybox2462]

@@Bluurji kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5PVep6MlNxsa8k

[@dvondvon1]

Mr.girl = looping over the same topic for two hours and getting nowhere.

[@someguy3414]

MrGirl, after being called out by Aba, immediately went on to cut off JiDion with his following breath.

[@ianicharia3499]

Some people deserves to be told to STFU

[@okami-chan9772]

OMG the more I hear MrGirl talk and using his manipulative mind games, the more I lose brain cells because of him.

[@TheWinterfox10]

Steven, the way you responded to Max's remarks had me absolutely rolling! I understand his criticism, but I think he's being hyperbolic

[@herbb7281]

The fact that mr girl is talking about nick like he’s ACTUALLY CAPABLE of doing any of the stupid shit that he says… What we even talking about here!?!

[@eemmvvee3155]

Destiny is wrong here

[@SaxaphoneMan42]

MrGirl really plays the victim so well, must come easily with such frequent practice. Dam Aba hit the nail on the head about him.

[@zilch2653]

1:49:21 the silence after Aba leaves and Jidion abruptly going “so yea when we pulling up to cozy” LMAO

[@DoubleO88]

That literally happened as soon as i saw your comment lol