DESTRUCTIVE TESTING of 6 WRENCHES

[@greg5639]

I could only dream of my wife texting or ringing me about buying any sort of tool for me. You lucky bugger .🤣😂👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@dougvanallen2212]

Hey Mr Pete you made our day watching you bounce around your garage we’re glad you didn’t hurt yourself we’re going with curves on the spokes thanks for another great movie

[@washingtonstreet7084]

Straight spokes were an advancement in casting. Curved spokes were necessary to keep the outside diameter of the wheel to the size desired when foundry folks hadn't figured out how to keep the expansion and contraction under control. To get the right diameter, the curves would fluctuate as the wheel cooled but not change the diameter of the wheel. Later on, "SCIENCE," progressed to a point where straight spokes were possible. Straight spokes are stronger, but we lost the beauty of the spinning curved spokes. Go get em, Lyle!

[@carrollprice1213]

Thanks for the explanation. I assumed it was done for style.

[@rickkyriakopoulos1103]

That was fun !! And to the fella that said it was fun watching Mr. Pete bouncing up and down . I just purchased a jointer from my friend Mr. Pete and when I knocked on his door he was down in studio B and he ran up the stairs like he was 20 years old !! Haha I'm 8 years younger and I struggle to run up a flight of stairs !!

[@mrpete222]

👍👍👍👍😄

[@theupscriber65]

Thank you for doing this test. To make it easier in the future without needing any special equipment, maybe consider putting a floor or bottle jack on the scale and using it to push the bar. Then, you can pump the jack until the wrench breaks and see how many pounds of force it required. Multiply by 3 feet for the torque. (I have an old ser of popular mechanics btw)

[@malcolmtill]

AVE did a quite technical spanner testing video.

[@German_MDS]

Well, all things I was going to say, you already said at the conclusions of your own video, so nothing more to add. You are a legend Mr. Lyle. Cheers.

[@Rottingboards]

That curve spoke wheel was amazing!! Fantastic engineering, design, pride, and beauty went into older products.

[@renaissanceman7145]

The most basic definition for Fire that my brain can generate is, energy conversion from potential energy or chemical energy to heat and light energy by way of combustion. An example test rig for the wrenches. A tube/pipe that fits over the wrench, 5 feet long. At EXACTLY 4 feet from the center of the hex, drill through the pipe with a half inch bit (maybe larger if necessary) for a bolt sufficiently long enough for a container hanging beneath that you fill with heavy items until wrench breakage. For added safety a saw horse or other object could be placed under the weight container to catch it, the shorter the fall the better, when the wrench breaks. When breakage occurs total up the amount of weight it took, do a little math and there's your foot pound to breakage number. Always a pleasure Mr. Pete.

[@dannyl2598]

Thank you Mr Pete. You made this test a "SNAP"! Curved spokes are my favorite. Fire is........ Wait for it.... Hot

[@Manf-ft6zk]

Thank your for all the ideas. The method with the scale is perfect if you increase the load continuously, so it will be better with a longer extension as you mentioned. I will try out the other idea for clearing the workbench, mounting a vice and shaking it until it is cleared up.

[@rexmyers991]

You can bad mouth twelve point sockets and wrenches but there is a place for them for sure. My automobile mechanic friends will choose Six point every time because they have relatively open areas under the hood to affix the wrench whereas I, the aircraft mechanic, have very limited clearance to affix the wrench. A twelve point wrench will drop on to the bolt (or nut) where the six point won’t. Further, rarely has Bubba been in there over torquing it. And corrosion from road salts, etc., are not present. Thanks for the lesson, Teacher, I watch every episode you make.

[@ernerstowerdum3942]

Thank you very much Mr Pete for your video. In fact, there are some keys better than others and the last one, which did not say the country of manufacture, I suppose it is not made in the USA. I see that the method you use to determine the resistance is the correct one. What should be noted is that no wrench is designed to work with an additional lever and that is why each one has a length that limits the torque performed by one hand, both to protect the key and the bolt to be adjusted. Thank you, master

[@snocrushr]

The Torque test channel has nothing to worry about.

[@russell154]

Maybe not strictly scientific but still telling. I enjoyed this very much thanks Mr. Pete.

[@scottbenauer1189]

Loved this I have a set of those popular mechanics wrenches I had to get a set when I broke down about 30 years ago. I still use them. I like curved spokes.

[@Radiotexas]

That was great! The twinkle in your eyes when you started-- priceless! Naughty boy!

[@mrpete222]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@brianatbtacprod1989]

Tie a couple of 5 gallon buckets to the handle of the 6' bar, add large pits of metal until you get to 50 or 60 lbs, then add smaller pieces. When the wrench cracks, bends ets, weigh the bucket. If you can't lift the bucket, take metal out and weigh pieces individually and add them up. Easier to shoot, and more accurate. It was interesting watching your bench wobble though. All in all, it was a good test. Maybe if you were going to do it again, people could send in some of the more prestigious wrenches. Even if it didn't get concrete results, it was still informative.

[@kevinkoepke8311]

I think we need a bigger boat, I mean boy! Thanks, Mr Pete! I have had great performance from my Tekton tools, made in Taiwan and the USA. I still remember the first time my grandmother handed me a book of matches to light the trash pit in her back yard. You should have seen the look on my mom's face 😆0:09 0:09

[@kevinmartin7760]

The wrenches where the box ends survived had noticeably thicker sides to the box end. Although this makes the wrench stronger it also means the wrench needs more clearance around the nut to fit. Given where the box ends failed (just next to the handle) it would seem reasonable to make a box wrench where the end wall tapers from the handle end to the far end. This would give one area with thin walls to use where there is tight clearance without sacrificing strength. There would, of course, still be low-clearance situations where it would not fit.

[@xoxo2008oxox]

I learned that...don't underestimate the ingenuity and strength of Mr Pete!

[@billwentworth3108]

I have had many PM tools over the years. I bought most of them on a shoestring budget in my youth from Walmart. I have used them fairly hard and never had any issues of any kind. I truly can’t find fault with them. Also, I have been around some Tekton (moderately priced Taiwan brand) that I have been very impressed with. Thanks for all of your great content!

[@jerryshrigley2902]

Fire = Rapid oxidation accompanied by heat and light. I studied fire science in the late 1970's, that was the definition our text books gave us back then.

[@gorak9000]

I'd say your textbook was pretty inaccurate - some flames like burning pure hydrogen don't give much if any light at all

[@ckvasnic1]

Mr. Pete…. Another very nice video. AvE did some wrench testing…. That is interesting. All the best. Chuck

[@mrpete222]

Thanks 👍

[@larescats9228]

Hello Lyle. Just the moment you said looking at my stuff in studio G - i was lol. All ways enjoy your videos Larry

[@jodydoakes8754]

Thanks for the fun video. I enjoyed. Confirmed my uninformed opinion that stuff made in Taiwan is good. Since made in USA is a thing of the past, mostly, I am always pleased if I find Taiwan stuff. Let's hope that can continue.

[@doctajownz8307]

In my opinion, this was a closer representation of real world use. It might only be empirical data, but I would argue it's more valuable. The jolting and variable force applied seems a better test than perfectly consistent torque, at measured intervals, applied to a perfectly rigid fixture with little to no round over or slippage. That's the kind of laboratory testing that makes for absurd claims. We all know that people are going to use a 3-6 ft cheater bar and jump on the end of it when an impact won't fit. At any rate, keep the videos coming. Love your content. 💯

[@mrpete222]

👍👍👍👍

[@siddhartaperezrodriguez3238]

Mr.Pete is now líke one of those movies where you have to sit for 5 minutes after the movie ends because he might keep going unphased after he goes "Thanks for watching"

[@tonyn3123]

Test process failure was still enjoyable to watch. Thanks

[@johnquinn3899]

Hey Mr Pete, I learned not to use a 12 point tool for very stubborn fasteners from this video. I really enjoyed looking around your shop to see what’s what, is that a Gertsner tool box on the bench ?? I could not guess what the cost of tooling would be to set up a truly scientific method to test the strength of the wrench’s - but I was satisfied with your method. John

[@mrtomsr]

My unscientific thought would be a scale on the end of the pipe being pulled with a pulley to gauge the effort. Nice video.

[@mofbombay6290]

AvE , has done some testing using Hydraulics for tensioning with a pressure gauge for reading.

[@angelramos-2005]

Interesting to know,mrpete.Thank you.

[@mrjc4949]

Superb video as usual. Thank you for sharing.

[@henrikskott]

I would probably have done some elaborate thing with pulleys and the like, but wouldn't have gotten any more consistent results. What I'm slowly learning is that the first time is for learning, not for doing. Thanks for sharing your learning process, and now we all know that next time, use a longer cheater bar (which might actually be a universal remedy, eh? 😉 ).

[@Ray-r5j9u]

Interesting AND entertaining 👍. Thanks Mr Pete 🖖

[@67L-88]

The PM wrench "won" but it also has a thick box and handle. Sure it's strong but it probably won't fit in the same places as the better wrenches. The thickness and shape are some of the things that make expensive brands expensive. Now that we are Monday morning quarterbacking the testing. On the length of the pipe, I would have welded a lug and installed a threaded rod to the lug. Then depending on what materials are hanging around make a way to stack steel on the rod or basket. You can then weigh each piece as you stack them. This would have also given you a true static load and an easy way to give an actual ish load on the wrench.

[@Fefotwo-ps6hd]

This was useful in the "grip and rip" style of destructive testing that did not kill us but I encourage the young to use it as a place to improve from. And straight spokes are nicer, the other conjure nightmares of Medusa kind of vibes. I enjoy your scientific shop talk...

[@CharlesBurkdoll]

I lost my wife of 40 years. You should cherish every minute you have together.

[@wrongtown]

Matthias Wandel has a good approach where he has DIY software constantly monitoring the force and so you can see the peak force applied before it drops (because whatever he's testing has failed). Maybe outside of your comfort zone? I don't know your full skillset mate 😄

[@FDog16]

AvE test wrench with hydraulic.

[@theseldomseenkid6251]

The Wilton is so beautiful. I think Pete's doing something with wrenches. Isn't the Wilton gorgeous. What a stunning vice.

[@richardcorcoran1151]

Remember Columbo. LOL Remember he was famous for saying OH, one more thing. He was also beloved. You are always interesting and worth the time. Thanks

[@mrpete222]

Thanks for that

[@psilocin6739]

I believe the Torque Test Channel did a video on wrenches, they've got a pretty good dyno set up.

[@mitchs323]

Back sometime in the 80s Sears started getting some wrenches made overseas. I had a lot of craftsman tools which i had to exchange every now and then. After the overseas wrenches were used they failed quite often. Sears brought production back onshore and the quality went way up I broke every one of the overseas wrenches usually within a month, I still have the domestic made wrenches today, although in they break, I would think twice about replacing them with their current wrenches.

[@tom87pate]

Mr. Pete is getting in some 'end wrench anaerobics' today!

[@57WillysCJ]

I have an old PM 1/2 drive ratchet that I beat the snot out of, even jumping on a cheater pipe, still going. I bought that as an extra to my Craftsman over 30 years ago. If I remember I had to drive 80 miles to a Sears store as my Craftsman ratchet's quick release had quit and I needed one now. I don't think I have ever destroyed a box end and I beat on them with a large rubber mallet. That's what happens when you live in salted road country. I think if you set up in a hydraulic press you might have more readable results.

[@grntitan1]

I don’t know about the wrenches, but your workbench and Wilton vise were both screaming in pain. 😂

[@kitmaira]

I’m 67 years old and I have never broken a wrench like that. I have broken plenty of sockets though, using breaker bars and cheaters when I shouldn’t have.

[@davedunn2124]

Had a set of those popular mechanic wrenches from walmart when i was a kid some 30 years ago. Still have a few floating around and yet to break one. Who would of thought.

[@russellherold272]

You are the man!!! Keep them coming.

[@Ekanselter]

Interesting. Thanks Mr Pete.

[@oldfister7460]

It was sstill a great video and use of your time. Many thanks for thinking of this episode. Fire is a change of one eliment into energy? I probably just showed my inability to remember science facts.

[@glenwallace8152]

I had to remove some steering clutches on an international crawler 45 years ago. Had use a 3/4” wrench and broke every wrench in the shop except for a MAC wrench.

[@rogertaylor1589]

I would be interested in a comparison of Snapon, Williamson, Bonney etc. old school wrenches

[@paulhunt598]

Bonney had a version of the flank drive in the mid 1970's. This was before I was acquainted with the Snap-On version. A fellow tech school student had some Bonney wrenches that had the feature. I have acquired a few used Bonney wrenches many years ago. I have never seen anyone that sells or sold them new. I used one of those Bonney wrenches as a daily use tool until I could afford and purchased full Snap-On sets. It was a nice tool. I have stocked many Snap-On sets since then and have almost forgotten about Bonney. Are they still around? Did they offer a full range of tools?

[@EVILDR235]

I just came from my local big box tool store. On the wall by the cash register was a picture of Mr. Pete with a sign that said ( DO NOT EXCHANGE REPLACEMENT TOOLS FOR BROKEN TOOLS FROM THIS MAN )

[@mrpete222]

lol

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

Thanks for the show! Never thought You would go fysical like that. Supoose You skipped the gym that day.....

[@carlcarlamos9055]

With a couple of the stronger wrenches, you were doing a disservice to the poor table leg. Thanks and take care.

[@100yojimbo]

Hello Mrpete that was a very interesting demonstration 👍👍 really enjoyed watching you do this.

[@edl5074]

Great job enjoyed your testing

[@plainnpretty]

Very interesting thanks Mr Pete

[@rustyshackleford928]

I am sad now. I love you Mr Pete!

[@nottoday62]

Brian from Ma Great video very informative anyhoo the package will leave the building today Ilove a . Good bon fire hope you had fun Besafe

[@RobertBeck-pp2ru]

I don't believe Craftsman branded tools provide replacements since the company changed hands. I tried a couple of years ago to get a 1/2 inch drive socket replaced at Loews. (The 12 points had become rounded). They refused.

[@ssboot5663]

The PM has a crack the way it looks. They all did well!

[@terrycannon570]

I have sockets and combination wrenches that were made in Tiawan at least 25 years ago and I have used the sockets on C/P Ingersol Rand and Cornwell impact wrenches and have never cracked one.

[@evan7123456]

Does the PM winner have a partial crack that allowed it to flex open a bit and round off the hex stock? At 14:15 and 14:18 there is a line on it in the same place most of them broke, but it doesn't got all the way through.

[@peteengard9966]

My 50+ years of busting my knuckles on big rigs I have broken my share of wrenches. All brands have their weakness.

[@mce1919A4]

Thank you.

[@chuckmayerchak3071]

I enjoyed watching your test video. It appears the Harbor Freight wrench was a bit over hardened. It looks like it was very brittle. It would be interesting to see how easily the open ends would have sprung. I'll bet the HF would have spit!

[@Jimmeh_B]

Curves are always more pleasing to the eye. ;) As for fire... I don't know. You'd have to ask TROGDOR!!!

[@bcbloc02]

Fire is a chemical reaction as matter changes states. This is a conversion that results in an excess of energy that we know as heat.

[@mrpete222]

👍

[@washingtonstreet7084]

A new line of Snap Offed Tools.

[@thomasdickey356]

Definitely some interesting results. Bye the way, you have some great shirts!

[@grendel1960a]

curved spokes, and fire is hotness personified.

[@wibblywobblyidiotvision]

Hello Lyle. Glad to see you're properly back on your feet. Fun video, shame about that hole in your wrench rack now, though. Still, it could have been worse. You could have used the important, metric, ones ;-) Looking at the footage, I'm not sure if your PM wrench doesn't have a hairline crack in the same spot as the others. If so, that might explain why it managed to round off the bar stock - just enough "give" to jump the hex , and once you have some movement going, inertia does the rest. If it is a crack, it certainly wouldn't be easy to spot in real life with the eyesight that we all end up with as the years advance, but it might be interesting to hit it up with some NDT crack detection spray if you have some.

[@Oldsmob455]

I would think the different lengths of the wrenches would skew the results.

[@carrollprice1213]

Fire occurs when a combustible material becomes hot enough to emit a flammable gas while in the presence of oxygen and an ignition source. Although it appears to burn, the material itself does not burn in solid form. Once ignition occurs, self-sustained combustion continues until no solid material remains to produce a flammable gas.

[@davehiggins5903]

I wish you would had a JH WILLIAMS SUPER WRENCH, just out of my curiosity. Thanks mr Pete. Enjoyed the video.

[@leewaken5059]

Important observation, for me, is none of these 12 point box ends failed in stripping out the tool or "fastener". That is a win for all.🏁

[@j.f.christ8421]

The best nut is a round nut. The rounder it is, the better.

[@rickhand8228]

I suppose you could have set it up on the milling machine and chained the pipe to the floor with a spring scale between and raised the knee slowly while observing and video recording the results on the spring scale. I was an ag mechanic for many years and don't share your dislike for twelve point wrenches. Not all twelve points are created equally and Snap On is the best that I have used. Their "Flank Drive" is not a gimmick. One of our young mechanics radioed back to the shop one day to let me know he could not remove the 1/2" bolts from the knives on the shucking rolls of the corn head he was repairing because the bolt heads were rounded, since they engage the crop. He had a brand new set of Craftsman tools and when I arrived to help him, he showed me that they would slip and chew up the bolt head a little. I produced a well worn Snap On twelve point socket from my box and he looked at it and said something in disbelief. He did however try my socket and proceeded to remove all of the bolts with it. All of the young guys then bought Snap On when they were able to afford them.

[@mrpete222]

👍👍

[@RambozoClown]

Once the wrench can take the torque it takes to break off a bolt with that hex size, there is no real point in making it any stronger.

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Thanks Mr Pete enjoyed the test

[@PaulSteMarie]

IIRC, AvE tried 6pt vs 12pt and didn't find any difference. Very surprising that the Duro snapped like that. The ring of the box end is the thinnest part of the wrench. It's not surprising that the MasterCraft broke where it did, since the ears on the the socket area tomorrow than the handle.

[@debcamp2359]

AVE utube did one of these. Very entertaining.

[@rexnemo]

1) I think that the standing on the scale method was inaccurate because you were applying an impulse load to the wrench by quickly bouncing up and down on it . Looking at the footage you are using an acceleration due to gravity multiplied by your weight and the scales are a system which is under damped , hence the bouncing around reading . With load testers they generally apply a load slowly , you can try this with a torque wrench tester , if you snap the load quickly the instrument is too slow in response to get a reading . 2) Also from looking at the footage and the results of what the wrenches look like after testing you can see permanent deformation of the wrench in some cases which indicates a plastic deformation meaning that the part of the wrench which broke was soft . 3) On the other wrenches where they broke at the ring part the breaks are clean and show small crystal structure which indicates a hardened material and a brittle fracture with little or no elastic deformation . Conclusion . Spanners are designed to give a reasonably consistent torque due to their length and attaching pipes to extend them is not necessarily going to improve the locking of the nut and bolt combination . There are recommended torque loads for a good reason , which is to prevent failure due to over tightening . This is a safety consideration and as such very important . What was shown here is that any tool can be broken by misuse , also with the load extension graph of material a bolt and nut can fail even if no more load is applied due to over tightening .

[@elvinhaak]

Nice one. Measure with a bagage-weighter on an even longer rod and slowly move down.

[@MichianaFisherman]

Next video? A High Dollar Vise on a Junk Workbench!

[@davidsorkin]

For the purposes of "edutainment" this was a great video and I did watch it to the end. However, I have a doubt that this is actually a useful way to understand the pros and cons of different wrenches. Personally I'd be more interested in a Mr Pete video that explorers the nuances and benefits (or lack thereof) of higher quality tools for scenarios one might encounter in the shop.

[@greghomestead8366]

This showed me that if you use a wrench correctly with only your hands, they are all good. Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan

[@dscott1524]

If one cannot break a wrench during normal use, it is a good enough tool. Using a three foot breaker bar and jumping, (impulse loading) is a little over the top. The fundamental question is whether or not the Harbor Freight wrenches (inexpensive) are good enough for daily use. Based on this testing, what do you think? Cheers.

[@MrShobar]

A suitably long bar for leverage with an inexpensive beam-type torque wrench coupled to the end of the bar. Watch the scale on the torque wrench until failure occurs. A few calculations will give you the force applied to the end of the wrench for comparison purposes. A pyrolitic decomposition of the fuel with the decoposition products (hydrocarbons) combusting (chemically combining) with the surrounding air.

[@buckeyejim2989]

🗿a fire is chemical decomposition, resulting in a solid transferred into gasses , solids and energy.. curved spokes, especially while in use. Thanks Mr Pete 👍

[@danbreyfogle8486]

I am not worried about scientific, the fact is they broke and in different ways and that was interesting. I liked your hex stock method as I suppose a bolt in a plate of metal woold have snapped the head off and not proven anything.

[@mrpete222]

Yes, that’s why I did not use a bolt

[@duron700r]

Wow! Have to admit that was interesting. Beavis or Butthead said, Fire, fire is cool! No I didnt watch. Three wrenches here with blown out ends. 5/8 Craftsman (old) I blew out at work. The other two are chinesium yet the only one I recall is a 10 mm blown with a hammer on a tight. All blew the ends off. Interesting!

[@ericcorse]

Very interesting testing method, too bad the scale was so noisy. The curved spoke is way sexier. That stump might take a while to consume.

[@ligius3]

If you want advice from the internet, don't ask, just do something and everyone will start screaming that you are doing it wrong. I would have used maybe a longer bar and a large fish/luggage scale and slowly put my weight with one foot in the other end of the scale. Even better, have something like a winch or ratchet strap pull on that scale end. Fire is oxidation, but it's self-fueled by the two agents: the oxidizer or air and the oxidized or the fuel. Since for some combinations it's enhanced by heat, it's self-propelling in a way, so that more heat leads to faster oxidizing. Make it really fast, contain it and you have an explosion. Take away either of the two elements and the reaction might stop, unless it's very heat-sensitive. That's why you cannot extinguish lithium battery fires.

[@skooterfd]

On the socket wrench you could knock the pin out and replace the handle with a better metal handle.

[@m9ovich785]

HAHAHAHA Loved the comment of Snooping ... It is a right of passage to Snoop with KZbin videos... Thanks Much lyle... Mike M.

[@tomarmstrong750]

Regarding 6 point v 12 point wrenches, most nuts and bolts used for commercial aircraft have 12 point heads and thus a 6 point socket is not an option.

[@componenx]

I would have used a cheap ($25) crane scale like Ton Lipton demo'd last year- they are amazing for the price. Also, I would never use a t-slot table to support a side load like you're suggesting for the bender; while not as bad as a mis-applied t-nut, I'd still hate to see it crack the table! They aren't designed for massive side loads.