DETROIT RECAP & QUESTIONS! | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck, Paul Lauzon | Bro Chat

DETROIT RECAP & QUESTIONS! | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck, Paul Lauzon | Bro Chat #162
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[@FouadAbiad]

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[@m1ar1vin]

Please start chapter-izing the pod

[@frankgrowsdank1604]

lol you timestamp podcasts that have loads of information, not bro chat that a timestamp will be, “Do you eat ass?”

[@dtone9518]

The reason why Patrick got so much criticism was because he basically acted like he didn't even know who Milos was publicly, but in private he was thanking him for his help. I think Mike needs to watch the original video

[@healerr7914]

Exactly. Mike just always bitching like he some bad dude but we know he got emotional over a height and weight Q

[@vvscairo]

Milos didn’t even press the issue Mike. It was really Dennis that pulled it out of Milos.

[@jorgemadrigal911]

Patrick is legit

[@amansandhu7777]

​@@jorgemadrigal911not really he could have said yes milos guided me but Patrick completely denied that he even talk to milos about anything...when these dudes become gurus there egos get too big and they dont want qorld to know they had a guru too

[@willthomas7666]

Lol I could care less. But it was obvious Patrick was lying and trying to deny milos helping him... I think it's prob an ego thing and bc he's "a guru"... which is he is acting that way, but it was a bit odd..

[@graysongalich4053]

They really were speaking on something they didn’t really watch it seems. Definitely a Patrick bias

[@alexmaguire4319]

To be fair it seemed like Dennis was upset after their first podcast that Milo’s didn’t get more angry at Patrick for not acknowledging Milos so then he arranged a round two and had Milo’s all riled up to go at Patrick 😂

[@justsayin5084]

Exactly He even talked to Mauro Sassi to clear things up.

[@Basse7]

About the milos Patrick thing It’s not milos who started it He actually in first place let it slide It’s Dennis James who wanted to set the record to give milos his props You need to rewatch it to get it

[@moamerordagic2096]

I think Denis forced it for the drama to put some clicks on his pod as he tends to do it often with different people. It’s just sad that people fall for it this hard and bash someone over nothing really. And Milos acted very childish and emotional over nothing really in my opinion.

[@justsayin5084]

@@moamerordagic2096 Dennis didtn forced anythin. He only wanted to clarfy Milos is right after talking to Mauro Sassi. If he really wanted some Drama he wouldnt had stop the convo between them in the first run. Milos wasnt childish at all. He helped Patrick for competition &to build his coaching Business for free!! And than Patrick cant remember they even had contact? Come on

[@justsayin5084]

@Basse7 💯 correct Sir!

[@moamerordagic2096]

​@@justsayin5084 If a grown man is led by his emotions while trying to say something it's childish in my opinion, even if it's true composure shows strength period. Sure he did 20 years ago what's the big deal? U go around finding people u helped in high school and telling them remember when I helped u pass that test and now ur a doctor u should thank me now? That's bs. P tour did a mistake too with his reaction but u guys are making a huge deal out of nothing.

[@justsayin5084]

@@moamerordagic2096 yeah,fair point! I think Milos is still disappointed (rightly so) about the "Samson Causa"& more sensible than usual. On the other hand why Patrick obviously lied in the first Podcast? He cant remember & Milos must mistake him with someone?! On the other hand he still,after almost 30 years knows the exact protocol.Maybe bc. he used till today& won't admit it.. If he would have said,ya i remember it would have been No theme anymore. Makes No sense IMO. Maybe Patrick is Samson's new coach so these is such a big drama even on this Podcast. W'll see..

[@scogotti7055]

Milo’s didn’t even say anything about it on the first podcast.. He was more upset about Patrick acting like it was made up..

[@tibitheking350]

My split: Day 1: Head Day 2: Shoulders Day 3: Knees Day 4: Toes Day 5: Rest Day 6: Knees Day 7: Toes

[@randomstuff8433]

I do left and right

[@anthonybenincasa]

Eyes and ears and mouth and nose. I didn’t expect to be brought back to my childhood in this comment section

[@LeeJoRo]

​​@@randomstuff8433I do front and back

[@anthonycollari2134]

Then on B week, Head & Shoulders on days 6 & 7

[@zackwander1681]

What is your gear protocol?

[@minchinator]

Mikes reasoning to keep the show date where it’s at is spot on if you ask me - make it a destination event - after these guys that’s skipped it this year saw what it was they will mark it in ink on their calendar next year

[@anthonybarreto6733]

I have clients that are planning to travel to this in 2025.

[@bwil5989]

@@anthonybarreto6733but wouldn’t they still come if it was say 2 weeks before NY? I feel like you get the best of both worlds

[@user-gs1hz2wi8q]

First time I've disagreed with Mike, definitely wasn't Milos pushing the subject. Doesn't it seem very fearful and odd that Patrick choose to split hairs and battle on this vs just giving credit and moving on. At the end of the day Milos shared his protocol, and helped Patrick. It would be interesting if Patrick is running some of those insulin protocols today, if so, he should be grateful. Love the podcast guys, keep it up!

[@FouadAbiad]

I think Patrick expressed his gratitude I don’t see what he did wrong to be honest.

[@user-gs1hz2wi8q]

@@FouadAbiad You are right, apparently he did show thanks multiple times to Milos, so I was wrong on that. I just think if Patrick let's it go and doesn't argue it then nobody talks about it and we all move on. Letting something so small be a point of contention is what sticks out to me. Anyways, appreciate you Fouad!

[@danvis6789]

@@FouadAbiadI think only thing he did wrong was that on the first podcast if you see it he says Milos never helped him at all. I agree on the second podcast that Dennis pulled them together on they’re both right and it’s a definition of coaching difference. That being said I’m sure if you’re casually mentioning coaching someone from your past and he was like “you never helped me at all what are you talking about” it’s kinda frustrating is all on a personal level. Personally I’d be flabbergasted lol. I appreciate you taking a middle ground tho and not divulging into all the bs hate

[@nirbhaychatani]

paul out here praying for his colonoscopy…that’s why we love the guy

[@Blake2703]

The OG’s are back ! I’m glad the band is back together again ❤

[@eeelaine]

Originally, Milos let the difference in opinion slide when Patrick first went on three weeks ago. Then, Dennis James encouraged him to speak up and defend his position during the following show and that’s what really lit the drama. How did bodybuilders work with coaches in the past? They didn’t have the tech we have now so it’s not like Patrick could have easily sent Milos twice a day. I feel like coaching back then was very different from coaching today.

[@justsayin5084]

Sending an e-mail vs..sending a.fax. Protocol is protocol which means getting coached. Patrick was lying IMO.

[@jacpope4364]

They should watch the following episode themselves because Fouad didn't explain it the best 😂

[@justsayin5084]

@@jacpope4364 ,💯 idk i think Fouad knows exactly whats the point but since the Samson/Milos argument Likes to throw shit-& talk bad about Milos

[@CLOUDKID11]

Exactly, but mike/Iian just jumped on Milos. Multiple people confirmed the long fax from Milos details his anabolic, insulin, diuretic protocols along with its appropriate diet layout. Patrick tried to downplay everything and at the end said I never used any of the information that Milos passed. Yet he's thanked him multiple times for what? Why does Patrick ask for information he'll never use and then go on to thank him for that information that was never useful to him. Either Patrick is straight up lying or there's something he's holding back. He's the one that looks suspicious by making contradictory points and not being truly transparent. Funny how Mike shit on Milos without knowing the whole story......just like how he said the comments are divisive and pick sides without knowing the whole story yet he did the exact same thing.

[@justsayin5084]

@@CLOUDKID11 truuueee,couldnt have said it any better. Gesture& facial expressions from Patrick says it all. He knows he wouldnt be the Coach he is today without Milos & i am sure he uses Milos informations even nowadays (as so many other "Gurus") & that was so uncomfortable for him to admit. Thats why he bitched around (although knowing every! liitle detail from peak week f.e.) 🤦‍♂️

[@ChePlay3r]

Mike is missing the personal aspect with Milos and Patrick, he probably felt emotionally betrayed by a friend, not hung up on props he should be given, a friend is lying about a favour he felt, which sucks and would hurt anyone not autistic.

[@datnip79]

A favor isn’t coaching. Patrick stated he didn’t even use the advice. I’m with Mike, Milos along with Dennis poking the fire, feels like he needs to be center of attention. Just like the Samson thing, he sure didn’t mind getting all the praise when Samson was third in the world. He was on every podcast shouting at the top of the mountain about Samson having the ability to win. Then when they split it was all the sudden “ he didn’t follow the plan and wasn’t doing cardio and won’t eat fish”. Well if Milos knew all that then technically you aren’t coaching him either. 😅

[@ChePlay3r]

@@datnip79 My comment isn't even about who's right or wrong, im just saying that Milos' reaction is that of a hurt friend and not narcissist.

[@datnip79]

@@cuminyermum awww, the poor baby doesn’t like to read constructive criticism online. It’s called Social Media. People watch pods and then give their opinions.

[@datnip79]

I think what Mike is saying is that why does it matter that much? So much so that y’all had a podcast about it and argued like children? It was 20yrs ago. Milos has gotten plenty of credit and is on every podcast talking about his passion of the sport, which he no doubt has in spades. They obviously disagree on the degree on how much help was provided or received. So that’s one disagreement that was 20yrs ago. Let’s just look at it like a scoreboard. Milos has 200 points was it worth the podcast and all the negative comments for his score to be 201? I’m not saying who is right or wrong either. Just stating how I see it and whom I agree with. That’s all….

[@lankymason3365]

I think I’ve rewatched the beginning of Paul’s prayer about 50 times and can’t stop crying laughing 😂

[@BelloBruh]

Why does Mike think Milos was calling him out because Milos wanted to credit himself. Patrick was blatantly lying and anyone would be upset in that situation.

[@Inyourbox-kr5uf]

Patrick wasn’t lying my guy

[@willthomas7666]

Lol tf he wasn't, anyone with a brain could see, that Patrick was lying and trying to deny that Milo's helped him... I could careless, but come on.. it was pretty obvious

[@Inyourbox-kr5uf]

@@willthomas7666 Milo’s barley helped him my guy

[@Inyourbox-kr5uf]

@@willthomas7666 nah it’s over blown. Milos doesn’t need everyone to know who he helps. Bro wants attention

[@porteralberss7730]

who cares

[@pstaplehurst]

That prayer at the end from Paul had me in tears, honestly him and Mike together makes my fucking day, because Mike cracks up at everything Paul says and so do I..... absolute class lads.

[@Arch_Stanton.]

Paul's prayer was a brilliant ending. I'm dying of laughter. 🤣

[@mikecox6170]

OMG! The prayer and power bottoming😂😂😂😂😂. Iain looked BAKED! LMAOO

[@ozzyalis]

Big bit missed on the Milos bit Patrick pretended he had no idea who Milos was on a previous podcast but and on a more recent podcast (just before the one you seen)Milos said how can he not know who i was when i sent him information to help him with his show thats whats happened. Patrick is 100% in the wrong agree they are both right (aabout what coaching is) but Patrick brought that on himself

[@scottboyer8903]

Next year Detroit pro needs to have the Ian Vallières 41% award!

[@henz_solo]

The athlete with the most shredded glutes. And The award will be of a bodybuilder doing the moon pose

[@JohnDoe-rj8nd]

Nice try Ronnie 😂

[@oglanza4451]

Iain looking like a catholic monk from the dark ages with that trim😂

[@EchelonDon]

Im addicted to the podcasts 😂

[@baboigae1029]

When i graduate from undergrad, RBP is going to be responsible for getting me through college. You guys are awesome!!

[@SriRam-bn9pe]

They got me through masters, so you'd be fine😂❤

[@fostercreque4110]

Same here, currently finishing up my first year!

[@everythingfootwear08]

Same bro

[@brentkarai5395]

That makes no sense

[@gabeporges9288]

So true

[@Riddzey]

I agree with Mike. I think you set a precedent with how great Detroit turned out. The quality is going to bring guys in. Carve your own spot during the year.

[@minchinator]

If you watch the first time Oatricj was in their podcast he acted like Milos had never even talked to him or sent him anything ever - I believe it was that complete supposed amnesia that upset Milos

[@vixhnumohan]

"Balls of Steel"😂

[@michaelpyatt9086]

Love Paul!

[@amfitness5598]

Production company 😂

[@erclsr]

I prayed to Leader for Paul to return, and he did! All praise Leader

[@joereed9580]

This early in the morning is awesome. Both cardio sessions gonna be listening to bro chat, that’s a blessing

[@jonathan6009]

Paul is like the cool father figure for these three boys 😂

[@MrTeezbar]

OG crew are back. Will keep me entertained durnig this busy morning. Thanks fellas!

[@flexluthor1691]

“Nice to be amongst men….i got a colonoscopy comin up” 😂😂😂😂 great transition

[@zachreynolds1054]

Thank you for bringing bodybuilding back to Detroit! I went to the prejudging and night show. Literally amazing. Vito looked great 🔥

[@619behem0th]

Paul’s throw up in the shower story is crazy! 🤣 😂

[@fattdamon1980]

i loved the old school wrestling conversation lol, Guy Cisternino would have been Hornswaggle.

[@alexandrudumitru2435]

Just in time for the cheat meal of the week, took some time, made myself a feast from my own kitchen after demolishing back&biceps today. Love this podcast man, it has become a part of my life

[@jamesjackson4715]

Paul's prayer , priceless 😅😅😅😅😅😅 all about him & his colonoscopy powerballing I meant power bombing 😅

[@brockjenkinz]

The lighting was so amazing for the show that I’m actually planning my classic debut around your show next year! Great work guys!

[@scogotti7055]

“I had to take a shower because I was sweating” 😂😂

[@zackwander1681]

One of my favorite moments of every podcast is watching everyone hide their giant grins as soon as Paul begins his “prayer.” Also, as someone who has given/heard a lot of group prayers, I’ve never heard anything regarding “power bottom” in a prayer delivery. Thanks guys!

[@lethabochuene]

Oh yeah! Another fresh podcast with the crew! Brilliant stuff 👍

[@judecharlton6980]

Thank you for the consistency of posting the content on all forms of media at the same time , missed Spotify timing, glad it’s now fixed !

[@nixxrunner]

Yesssss they are back! every week i am waiting for this!!

[@TheShady380]

God damn, Paul’s prayer had me crying 😂

[@danielsaviation4490]

Paul’s prayers are just comedy shows at this point😂 We need to do a compilation of those lmao

[@PaigeSabedra]

I loved the throwing of shirts. I wore mine yesterday! people love free stuff and it made people literally get out of their seats. haha THANKS GUYS. great show.

[@OmarMartinez-qr8yy]

Always love when Fouad drops in the morning, great pre workout video

[@danesimonson1672]

This pod makes my 10 hour shifts way better! Keep it up boys!

[@shawnott2519]

Fantastic way to start the day with this pod.

[@scottblankenship2773]

I hope you all know how much we enjoy these podcasts every week.. really look forward to them esp when I’m at work and can kill a couple hours

[@pramathanarayana867]

Fouad, as a fan of both milos and patrick... On the first podcast, the topic of Milos and Patrick linking up through a mutual friend came up organically. Milos tried to talk about the one show he coached Patrick for including the peak weak protocols. While Milos was simply bringing something up for nostalgia sake, Patrick got instantly defensive repeatedly saying he must have mistaken him with someone else. Milos didnt even press the issue further. Dennis later on was the one asked Milos why he didn't clarify the situation further. The thing is, Even if Patrick had a different definition for what coaching is... he sort of exposed himself when he said on the next podcast that Milos indeed did give him a bunch of information but he never used it. On the first podcast Patrick didnt say what he did on the second.. he made repeated efforts to make it look like Milos was confused with someone else. Thats why people are all over him and rightfully so, especially when Milos was being so respectful. His second appearance on the podcast was definitely damage control. Otherwise he had no reason to come back on. Patricks whole approach seemed to stem from the insecurity that people would discredit his achievements as a coach because he got some help from Milos 20 years ago? Fans arent stupid. Saw right through it thats all

[@FouadAbiad]

I think fans are making assumptions about a person and a situation they have no real knowledge of. That was ultimately my point. If you don’t know, why assume one guy is a horrible person and a liar.

[@latman1]

I listened to both podcast and in the original podcast Patrick didn't even acknowledge that Milos had done anything for him which seemed quite disrespectful after finding out that he had helped him. I don't think Flex Lewis had the back width to hang with Hadi or Derek. And the reason he didn't make it to the open is because he couldn't keep the food down he was having problems with his digestion.

[@yasht1675]

Best ending prayer ever you can't even make this shit up,I was dying PAUL FTW🤣🤣🤣

[@alexanderjobrien]

Finally back 😂 missed this for to long.

[@joshuahowser8892]

i’m getting written up for laughing so damn hard at Paul’s hiccup story😂 it was worth it my boss didn’t find it to be as funny I guesss

[@jmorale7798]

Its not that it was Trivial of Milos to be hung up on it. He even let it go intially until Dennis dug deeper into it. He brought it up as a fond memory in his perspective, not to boast. And it was more so that it the first interaction of Patrick made it appear like Milos was making stuff up or losing his mind to old age lol. I agree patrick really just interpreted his advisement wasnt concrete coaching

[@eamicorb]

This is by far the best podcast in the body building space lmfao it’s just the authenticity and jokes and everything …. Just a bunch bros chilling and having fun

[@daveclarke8913]

YES!...!The 'A' Team back together 🙏😎

[@Longevitypersonalfitnessnj]

TREMENDOUS conversation fellas;)TY

[@scogotti7055]

“It’s happened before” 😂😂

[@gerardschaefer6495]

Balls of Steel is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

[@tonyZgfm214]

I think that was the best Paul Prayer to date😂😂😂

[@badman3170]

Absolutely 😂😂😂😂

[@96sinister]

Detroit show was amazing. Was my first bodybuilding show mainly due to there not being many in the area or state. Grand Rapids does the big NPC championship show and a couple others but not much in Detroit. I think it'll grow in interest alot by next year. The meet and greet was great. Got to shake hands and meet face to fave Fouad, Justin Harris, Dr. Mike, Sam, qute alot of competitors. Was very down to earth, so to speak. Everyone had good vibes. The judging was interactive, moved at a good pace and the visibility was amazing. Good job guys I'll definitely be attending next year.

[@ethanbecker1578]

Detroit with the photos, lighting, backdrop, everything was one of it not the most, well produced show and really sets the standard that these bigger shows with more money should be doing

[@MeLoNHeAd00]

Olympia will never do it. I could really see Arnold doing it .

[@kmatheson4]

Perfect timing 👌🏼

[@cubencis]

Great show gentlemen 👏

[@josiahwilliams6646]

Perfect timing I agree keep your date because the show will be the biggest show if not next year or the following year

[@alonzoterry3123]

To be clear everyone should watch the full podcast of Milo’s. Milos NEVER asked anyone to advertise him. He simply brought up him working with Patrick conversationally and then the difference in perspective became apparent

[@fredk6890]

Hearing Paul’s ending prayer had me laughing harder than I have laughed in a while! 😂

[@WilliamLagakos]

Love that you guys mentioned Nick's S&P and Marx Max Muscle. Helping out the smol guys in this space + I love their videos.

[@RemingSt33l]

Early for the podcast 😎 Thank you hoss

[@OGgrinder]

Perfect timing, Therapy session!

[@C-cf9vl]

I was hoping you would spend some time commentating on the other 4 guys who competed at Detroit. I’m sure they would appreciate the exposure. Anyone that surprised you?

[@Brodie.Leigh1]

The end has me in tears 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JayDavies_UK]

I think with regards to your show date, the position you hold within the industry and how you (the team) continue to hold yourself to a certain standard the April date makes perfect sense for the direction your whole brand is going. As Paul said, build it and they will come 🤝🏼

[@alexmathew9759]

Pastor Paul….you are the f’ing best brother!!!! 😂

[@MrScottyT21]

Fouad is spot on. It’s literally a difference of opinion on what “coaching” is. Such a shame with how the industry is so divided

[@iNCApacitated]

I can see the veins (of laughter) in Mike's head during the prayer 🤣🤣🤣

[@tybossey]

Best Bodybuilding Podcast 🏆

[@joereed9580]

Bro the prayer 😂. Laughed the whole pod this was awesome

[@alexandrudumitru2435]

Detroid Pro is what proper bodybuilding stage & lighting should be at every pro show. The special awards is a amazing thing to do. Amazing show from top to bottom. Looking forward for next year.

[@Angeliquestrength_fit]

No Hosstile booth at the Olympia Expo?! Damn that sucks. Was looking forward to seeing everyone again since I live here in Vegas.

[@PeterHernandez-vn9tq]

May 3rd is Perfect. There’s always someone getting ready for the CALIFORNIA

[@GeorgieGiven]

Just noticed Mikes name in the bottom left corner is “tell ur dog I said hi” 🤣🤣🤣

[@MeLoNHeAd00]

New York show quality lighting !!! Great job !!

[@adamwallace8765]

Needed this!

[@Haparican]

Hey 👋🏽 guys! In response to Fouads question regarding female competitors “peak age range”. It seems like for the more muscular divisions it’s very similar to the males. Andrea Shaw: 40+, Cydney Gillian: 30+, Jessica Reyes Padilla (#2 in figure): 42(?), Fran Mattos: 38!

[@AugustusGray]

Paul's bingeing stories have me crying 🤣

[@mariel76146]

Referring to the question on good people vs bad people. Having gone through Criminal Justice, in psychology class, we had the same debate over this subject. Upon further studying in this area, the conclusions reached were some people learned conditioned responses, and others are a products of their environment. However, there are others who are born with a chemical imbalance in their brain as well. So, there are a lot of determining factors regarding people individually. It was a very interesting study. Aside from that, thanks for another amazing podcast! I always look forward to them 💯

[@Disneymagic24]

i think what iain said at 50:13 is a good reminder for people that you dont have to give people money all the time or at all to support their business or support them as a friend. just sharing and reposting stuff is a massive way to help people out that people dont even realize

[@KubaSylvesterCielen]

Immense work on the show! 🎉

[@JasonCsokrates]

Let people decide what classes they want to see, it would be cool to have a survey or something like that next year for the people that are actually buying the tickets, to know what they want to see, and make the come back.

[@bali3021]

If we talking about brand just for bodybuilders not for the norm, then Hosstile is no.1❤

[@antonhallergren588]

Best lighting and backdrop in like over a decade or more.

[@killmosely]

you know its gonna be a good one when paul is on

[@joshkiernan1023]

Another hilarious episode

[@NattyMuscleDude]

The show looked great! The fact that these athletes didn’t step up for a spot to be qualified to the Olympia is ridiculous. Next year it’s gonna be a show to watch! Great setup and amazing potential. I completely agree with Mike. Let this show standalone.

[@mandyperez5080]

The best podcast ❤

[@faamalositafa805]

😂😂😂😂The Boys are back. Uncle Paul your prayers are amazing. 😂😂😂😂 Thank you Gentlemen.

[@justinmontgomery1255]

i want the intro song to this podcast played at my funeral and after service everyone has to watch an episode of bro chat

[@javierramirez2437]

Waffling down the grate is wyldddddd 🤣