Deus Ex Human Revolution: Last dialogue with Hugh Darrow

Last dialogue with Hugh Darrow

[@TerminatorHIX]

The real tragic part about this scenario is that no matter how you handle it, Darrow wins. He wanted people to fear and hate augmentations as much as he had grown to, and with 50 millon people dead from crazy augs, they do. Just look as what they've already shown of Mankind Divided. It's also a really interesting contrast between Adam and Darrow. Adam was augmented against his will, yet his body is basically tailor-made to accept augmentations. On the other hand, Darrow is practically the father of augmentation science, yet he can't use augmentations at all.

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@toplinefool444 Darrow wasn't right. He's just like Tong. Too busy fighting technology instead of tyranny that abuses that tech to begin with.

[@Spokenword]

@@macklinbutcher3145 Darrow is right because there's no alternative. Someone will have the key to control augmentations and even if now holders of those keys are good one day that will change. Paul Denton in the first game said "It's only a matter of time before someone clever and ambitious figures out that the tools of dictatorship have been ready-made by well-meaning governments." Tong was wrong because in Deus Ex 1 helios is an option.

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@@Spokenword Well yeah. Helios would ensure that no one can control augmentations. That's the point. Augmentations are fine themselves. But the system will pervert it for it's own uses. Destroying the system with Helios is the only way to ensure that the only one controlling augs is the individual who has them, as well as making it a public utility instead of enslaving the poor and allowing the rich to play god. Darrow has no interest in changing the system. He benefits from it just like the rest of the Illuminati. He only did this because he wasn't able to play god more. If he can't have it for himself, then no one can. He's a spiteful child. There are alternatives. Revolutionaries like the Dentons and Helios can prove it. Darrow ain't looking for change. Jensen is too much of a reformist, which will probably play a role in his downfall. Augs can be used to benefit and free all, but everything must change. And this a prequel so that can't happen yet.

[@Spokenword]

​ @Macklin Butcher Helios wouldn't ensure that no one can control augmentations, he would ensure that the people who have that control won't use it maliciously. The only way that a key that controls them isn't going to be made is if augs no longer get produced or existing ones never get improved or repaired. Even then some terrorist group could make something like it or it could even be demanded by the population (see: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided plot). Therefore, the best option is this human + AI hybrid that reads every thought of every citizen and will snuff out any trace of ill intent. You could argue that Darrow does it out of spite but it is possible that he thought that he knew best what to do. The thing about people like Denton is that it's ultimately a matter of chance. It's by chance that he was made and that he turned to the good side and in order to turn to the good side bad things have to happen and people have to die. Whenever augmentations are worth such a sacrifice is what i can't answer. The only two options for augmentions to never be used wrongly are either: all humans turn good or the perfect goverment is made (Helios). At the timeline of this video there were no such possibilities even fathomable so Darrow was right.

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@@Spokenword Nah. Mass murder ain't cool. Sorry buddy.

[@richards.5964]

I love winning the conversation by pointing out his leg. He breaks down in the most sudden and interesting way.

[@daviddolmatch9363]

You’re a sick bastard picking on a cripple

[@wesleyfilms]

@@daviddolmatch9363 he got the job done

[@novemberalpha6023]

@@wesleyfilms silver tongue

[@AnonymousUser-re4fz]

Dude ! I remember selecting that response in the vanilla version , but it the director's cut i tried a bunch of different options for Adam to say it but it wouldn't appear wtf!

[@bisthebis]

Too sad Mankind divided had not such a "philosophical" ending

[@feebtubereal]

"I'm going to blow up my bomb!" "No, don't." "I'm going to kill you then!" "No, don't."

[@WELSHGAMER99]

Becuase the game was split.

[@magnitudefallout3944]

@@feebtubereal You're missing the point. I̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶w̶a̶y̶s̶ ̶m̶i̶l̶i̶t̶a̶r̶y̶.̶ ̶W̶e̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶c̶h̶e̶r̶s̶,̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ The storyfolding specificly seems to be meager, to showcase how even such dramatic and dangerous acts of one determined man have so little effect on the world. The scenes of Adam's doing are very shrouded and sometimes even boring, but the whole Deus Ex universe is still as huge. The surrounding charcters, political actions and just some poor souls you can help out. That is what makes that game legendary.

[@reeforeefo4087]

It could have had it if only the main story was about montag and daria

[@selemanecu]

My own take on it is Mankind Divided is the calm before the storm remember the prequel games are bob page's rise to power which Jensen cannot prevent since he possibly helps taking the Illuminati down as for Viktor it doesn't matter how you take him down if he doesn't play his intended part anyway his family (yup those pictures in his working office) is most likely toast.

[@davecrupel2817]

I really do feel sorry for Hugh. He feels like he created a monster. He was causing all this controversy, provided a new crime type. He was allowing the Illuminati a PERFECT way to control every single person. I wanted to give him a hug. ):

[@eveningstar7048]

darrow was right

[@domasbaliulis23]

you can give him a hug... when you get to heaven, if an aristocrat like him are allowed there.

[@PatrizzaEatsApizza]

Darrow's voice actor was a perfect choice, his voice is so smooth and sexy. It made him quite an interesting character.

[@SgtPepper1917]

Patrícia Vampyre Darrow sounds like he's German, it's very similar to the likes of Kraut and Tea, School of Life Narrator or Rogue9 on KZbin.

[@timcosgrove707]

It's Mr. Ratburn from Arthur.

[@OOIEatte]

He sounds like Chris Anderson, the head of TED

[@WailOfDoom]

Darrow's belief is sometimes misunderstood. His fundamental belief is that humans wanting to augment themselves, mentally/physically, is bordering wanting to become 'gods.' To resist what makes people human, our flaws, and our mortality. Amongst others. That is why he says, "People believed we should steal fire from the gods and redesign human nature." He believes that we have gone too far. He knows down the line immortality will be possible because of augments. That we will be able to manipulate and create new consciousness using augments inside a persons brain. Will they still be 'human?' Maybe he sees that being human is what stops us from killing each other in a genocide like manner. That's why he says, "But human nature is the only thing we have that gives us a moral compass, and the social skills we need to live in peace." Possibly once we become so far removed from being human, someone will want to end all of it. Maybe we will hate what we've become but at that point it might be too late. What our human nature is, is slowly decaying even in our current time if we take the time to look around. We progress, and we leave our humanity behind, piece by piece. We gamble, not knowing the consequences. Only time will tell.

[@dionwoollaston5717]

WailOfDoom I saw a documentary on this once using a virtual simulation they studied two groups of people one with the ability to fly like superman and the other in a helicopter, and their tests showed that the group that could fly was more likely to help someone in need than the group in the helicopter, Darrow is only looking at the bad side of his creation while ignoring all of the good that his creations have brought to the world, the people who can walk, run touch things and see the world

[@linuxtuxvolds5917]

Damn. And this becomes true in OG DX.

[@strider117aldo9]

@@dionwoollaston5717 Name of the doc?

[@cynicalmemester1694]

Lmao who cares about being human, I want to transcend beyond this meat pile we call the human body and turn into a digital god. If everyone is god, no one will be. Violence only stems from Power Dynamics, if no one has power over each other then they can't assert control over each other. Morals wouldn't disappear, they would simply change.

[@Raffney]

i love the end note of that conversation 6:27

[@Johnsen1972]

hehe

[@SueSakamotoTakari]

Johnsen1972 Hugh darrow has the easiest passcode ever: *ALWAYS CRITIQUE*, what happened, I thought hugh's diaologue passcode would be the intensest, not the easiest and least complex. Was this patched? It is so easy..

[@orenbartal8504]

Just like the David Sarif conversation, the correct choices for this one are randomized in every run - you need to either listen carefully to what he says or use the dialog augmentation.

[@SplitFinn]

If you gave Oppenheimer the chance to undo the creation of the Atomic Bomb... would you? What would he do? "I have become death, the destroyer of worlds"

[@siZeDcuBe]

I'd undo it. It isn't useful to the world in any way whatsoever.

[@covertmisnomer7726]

It didn't matter as soon everyone else knew it was possible to have such destruction in a small package they would try to emulate it in some form or another. All you can do is curb the appetite for chaos with different applications.

[@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN]

Well said Puglous.

[@HunterShows]

Of course. There is no point to war if everything is destroyed. The point is to subdue your enemy, not destroy Earth.

[@adelkheir]

The irony is that because of atomic bombs the world haven't seen any third world war since the very nature of atomic bombs means that no one faction can win over the other without going through a war of nuclear annihilation for both sides. It forced everyone to play nice with each other rather than face mutually assured destruction. You take that out and a global active war between the US and the USSR or any other modern great power is inevitable.

[@GamingSuccub]

Hugh Darrow is an interesting man. Hes so convinced this is the right action to take and he fears that as time goes on, there will be no room for him. I think he is someone who was genetically incapable of augmentations which probably caused that bitterness in the first place. A sad man with nothing but hate for the world that is leaving him behind. I wish he was given some more screen time.

[@JBrander]

When you use the CASIE augment against Darrow, Jensen will point out that what Hugh did (caused worldwide chaos) was all because humans are becoming what Hugh wanted to be but couldn't because of his genetics that made Hugh impossible to adapt to augmentations (In which is ironic because he is the one who invented human augmentation). That this made Hugh spiteful of every augmented person and tried to justify this global genocide through his explanation of "The world will use my invention for evil"

[@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow]

+MiyuChan You haven't played the original Deus Ex and Invisible War, have you? Darrow was absolutely right. He did something utterly awful to try to save everybody, but it would have. Adam didn't listen, and that's how the entire planet goes to shit in Deus Ex.

[@trigger1377]

How Do Ya Like Me Now, Chucklehead? But I like that, Adam had a good morality and he was doing things with the best of intentions but in the end he did nothing but make things worse. It's sad but it makes him a badass, because for once it isn't the "hero triumphs and everything is happy" cliche. Don't you agree?

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow The Helios endings say otherwise.

[@HowDyaYouLikeMeNow]

@@macklinbutcher3145 In what sense?

[@danethehero2729]

"Nobody will be able to use the technology I created to make others into beings they desire! Something we both know has happened already." I really like how Darrow seems to slightly point at Adam, since that's what Sarif did to him when he had him augmented.

[@RynaxAlien]

6:30 finishing argument.

[@MAGNUSWAKERS]

And in the trailer for mankind divided, that "son" is Jensen, not biologically but allegorically (as the light shines on him, it shows wings made out of the rays of light).

[@orenbartal8504]

They really like that Icarus "flying too close to the sun" allegory (was also in the cinametic trailer for human revolution 5 years ago!)

[@arcadeguy781]

Someone needs to dub Hugh’s voice over Mr. Ratburn on Arthur

[@XSilver_WaterX]

Darrow is actually a good character with very bad views from his peers and his own students, especially the Perfect Clone of the Illuminati's founder being Bob Page, who as we all learn from the original founder, was quite literally the form of human evil. People CAN learn from Hugh's advice and desires for human-centered ascension, but it was actually our greedy tribal leaders and kings who wanted that power only for themselves. Jensen may not have seen it but, Hugh Darrow may have been interested in Adam becoming his successor and help the Denton clones be completed to end Bob's power mania? Shame we can't see the pov of the other evil or anti-evil characters like Zeke or Eliza.

[@arcadeguy781]

I have to admit that it’s funny to hear the same voice actor that plays Mr Ratburn is in Deus Ex.

[@TheFerbguy]

Mr. Ratburn? Yeah, that sounds like Mr. Ratburn!

[@hiss9989]

The punch was the best part.

[@willman3000]

His heart was in the right place, but he didn't think of the death involved.

[@charlottedodd5113]

Its mr ratburn but with a british accent

[@Poet482]

I always admired how they explored this concept. In Fullmetal Alchemist, though I don't believe it was ever directly said, but it is shown time and time again that having metal "replacement" limbs is nothing like having the real thing, and certainly never preferable to what the human condition desires deep down, to "feel" more of the world in the truest sense. Sure, metal limbs have endless potential, but it could be far too easy for humanity to be willing to intentionally throw away their humanity for a downgrade. If I were in the Deus Ex world, I genuinely do not know where I would stand on the issue in any way. Practical, spiritual, reliance, the stripping of humanity, etc. There's so many ways to look at it. Not having a clear answer is what makes it so interesting, after all.

[@procraftinator]

Reminds me of Watchmen ending

[@maty1a]

Ironic, Jensen represent himself as Icarus, son of Daedalus, who dont listen his advice to dont fly too close to sun and becouse this, his wings made by Daedalus broke and he fell to sea. Hugh Darrow represent himself as Daedalus. Son and father.

[@novemberalpha6023]

This legendary game is full of epical references. It's not a game. It's a masterpiece ✨️

[@soku890]

The fucking music

[@mortemssoul6342]

The funniest part He’s up being right in the end

[@MrJellyshark]

Mr ratburn voice from Arthur tv show in (1996)

[@mrwires232]

Tbh Darrow was right. The story of Icarus flying too close to the sun is his whole philosophy

[@macklinbutcher3145]

No he wasn't. He just wants to stop progress.

[@SEMPERPERFIDUS]

@@macklinbutcher3145 What exactly defines "progress?" Divorcing humanity from its very nature? Turning them into machines that can be hijacked or controlled by greater forces at any time? Destroying and altering the human experience, the ability to love, laugh, scream, cry, to feel moments of triumph or moments of defeat, rendering people to serial numbers on plastic cartridges? Humanity isn't built to be soulless automatons, and the attempts we've seen to do so in our modern world have lead to great suffering and mental disorders. When you stop people from undergoing struggle and finality, there is no "progress." There is only dissolution and madness, where men become monsters and degenerate.

[@elijahhernandez906]

THANK YOU you've done what I never could... k.o ' ing the man.

[@DutchGuyMike]

lol

[@arcadeguy781]

Hi Mr Ratburn

[@sulimanthemagnificent4893]

Darrow was right. It’s just that his methods of showing he was right were extreme.

[@tech-bore8839]

Honestly, Darrow could've made his point by having the biochips cause people to do something benign, but noticeable.

[@Peter_Siri]

Can somebody please get this man a cake?

[@hyliannerd4541]

"Oh, are you having cake?"

[@devintariel3769]

Get cake against my orders

[@arcadeguy781]

Mmmmm Brownie Cake

[@Portolinha]

My dear Hugh Darrow takes the punch like a champ

[@ColonelBragg]

i always found myself agreeing with him wish just sitting down and saying fuck it lets have some tea while the world burns was a option lol

[@kanrup5199]

and eat biscuits...

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@@kanrup5199 Idiot.

[@kanrup5199]

@@macklinbutcher3145 okaay.

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@@kanrup5199 Shut up.

[@macklinbutcher3145]

And let millions die because of a petty child like Darrow? Great thinking genius.

[@projectpems8304]

I feel so bad for him...

[@danielloreand7819]

Same, I feel so terrible about the spoilt millionare man-child.

[@projectpems8304]

A shamefur dispray!!! well to be fair he can't evolve with the rest of humanity

[@Elround4]

Brian Ngo He could still make used of external technologies and/or try to counter-act his genetic disorder with biology (a gene-thereby?).

[@projectpems8304]

Elround4 In the world of Deus Ex, that's insanely improbable. The ability to do that was only possible by 2052, when Deus Ex 1 took place

[@Elround4]

Brian Ngo You make a good point about the latter. But, what about the former?

[@siZeDcuBe]

Whats the music pre-conversation?

[@richbattaglia5350]

Great intentions with wisdom in experience, yet terror in execution. I agree and disagree with him.

[@HMTRu]

Haha, for some reason I didn't get the code from him and knock him out then pull him all the way to the outside and left him out COLD xD

[@HMTRu]

@seinankhan1 It is wrong yes, but when you have finished it a lot of time, it is kind of fun to try out something else.

[@Walt_Xander94]

So this guy's plan was to make everyone fear & hate augments, thinking that will help humans survive another century. First off, augments would help humans survive. When we get such tech, it will never be abandoned. Why would people *not* want augments & content with, Idk, being cripples? Secondly, its hilarious that Hugh compared Adam to others, when the augments were never his choice in the first place.

[@Jonathan83X]

You're missing the point of what Hugh Darrow was trying to do. He was trying to stop humanity from destroying itself with augmentations, trying to stop them from turning themselves into machines and destroy what defined them as human beings. While it is true augmentations were helping some people, they were overall being abused by society. Just look what Tong's Harvesters and the Illuminati were doing with it before this took place. It was only going to get worse. While Hugh's methods were extreme and over the top, I can't say I fully blame him. He wanted to stop the problem before it got out of control, which is inevitably did as we see in DX1

[@SEMPERPERFIDUS]

Missed the entire point of the game. Read "Industrial Society And Its Future."

[@arctik2928]

While it's obvious that Darrow is meant to be akin to Daedalus to Jensen's Icarus (he even calls himself Daedalus), you ever noticed that Darrow shares Jensen's hairstyle and beard? Hardly a coincidence I believe. Whereas Jensen is naturally ideal for augments, Darrow is naturally completely resistant to them. They are two sides of the same coin in that manner, and when you consider how Jensen, an orphan child was basically saved from a horrible death, completely transformed by Darrow's technology, this in some manner makes him the brainchild of Darrow's work. The parrallels in this game are amazing, if a bit unsubtle.

[@Talematros]

soundtrack?

[@TheCraftKox2132134]

And it starts the Mankind Divided, the Accident :)

[@SueSakamotoTakari]

shutdown code: 2012 - life support shutdown.

[@Portolinha]

His name is Arthur Holden!!

[@SicariusCZ]

please know someone that music behind ? thx

[@Kestrel1509]

i need that background music °_° it sounds like "Everybody lies" from the OST but it's different somehow...

[@cavl894]

I like Darrow

[@HMTRu]

@seinankhan1 come to me dude, I live in Norway, Nordland, Narvik. You can message me on youtube whenever you are here. And let see if you can do like your mouth said. btw, it is just a game. None of this even have ever happen. But if you are in to this game that much, then message me whenver you are here.

[@SiNCry0]

PUNCH! Lol.

[@MidasImperius]

it's kind of cool, but at the same time really annoying how these conversations are randomized. i found guides telling me it was extrapolate, appeal, appeal, extrapolate, then there's critique, critique, critique, critique, and on my run, it was extrapolate, appeal, critique, appeal. makes guides pretty much useless.

[@orenbartal8504]

I actually liked this very unique approach to dialogs - if you listen closely to what he says and what your options are you can get it right yourself, or, ofc, use the dialog augmentation.

[@Vara91391]

your last answer choice was wrong

[@razz11]

For 100% the last option should be "Appeal" not "Critique", not that it really matters.

[@Scarletraven87]

I have always been pro-progress. I'm not worried about genetic engineering in the future, and even as an Elon Musk fan I don't worry about what an super AI could do to humanity. Yet I've chosen Darrow in the end. Why? Is it because the character design is marvelous? Or is it because we all know that our society is fucked up in giving us every chance to abuse on each other? It's no coincidence what is the first thing Jensen says when the clip starts rolling.

[@josendo101]

I chose darrow too not because I hated augmentations (all contrary, I think they would be a great advancement) but because I thought people deserved to know the truth about what happened

[@JustinCage56]

This aged like hot milk

[@seinankhan1]

@atikoon1 hahah ...i was in the story/...it seem that was wrong...