Dev Server Reopened | NEW IR PGM\Range Buff & Kormoran Missile Test

[@clay9181]

"Oh boy can't wait to finally use my Kormorans!" ... "Yeah...."

[@Hunter_i86]

Ha ha ha

[@PvtPartzz]

At least they’re actually giving them some attention. Probably means they’re actively working on implementing more of these types of weapons. I expect the December update to be heavily focused on naval aviation and the weapons those aircraft would carry-like Exocets, harpoons, whatever the Russian equivalent would be, etc.

[@rifroll1117]

Y’all ever wish the Kormorans would actually hit the waterline instead of the friggin smokestacks?

[@flyingtower]

Hey now, can’t give Germany useful jet stuff now can we?

[@Taurevanime]

It makes sense though. Largest radar return is actually for the ship's superstructure and with potential for higher sea states, the guidance for anti-ship missiles has them hitting higher than the waterline. All but the very largest warhead AShMs are designed to more cripple than sink a ship.

[@thetrainshop]

​@Taurevanime yes but AshMs don't just target the radar return, they will keep a specific height off the water to hit belt line, and more advanced types will actually have a reference base to hit specific weak spots of ships returns they have intel on

[@gnaruto7769]

@@flyingtower nah all the good stuff got used up in undertiering german tanks, now planes have to suffer in return

[@nikolaieh0624]

I found the best strategy is to launch top down from directly in front of the ship. Then they might at least hit the deck. Can cause catastrophic damage to destroyers and light cruisers.

[@MichaeloApC]

Kormorans still hitting freaking chimneys insteads of sides of ships xD

[@Narsheo]

Weird I don't think they've treated a update like this before

[@oz314]

Im pretty confident it's because of RTX causing mayhem for people.

[@cerperalpurpose]

@@oz314 Yeah all the other updates are buggy messes usually but the RTX stuff has genuinely broken the game for people with those cards

[@ActuallyNotIlmatar]

Turning those features off is an option.

[@quocphu2826]

Vehicle tracking at 6km is mind boggling

[@ricardogunnz2]

Once again Hunter, I know we disagreed on this previously, but i think it would be a much better idea if they gave the Brimstones TV/IR guidance to "simulate" the radar it has in real life. I know in real life it doesn't have TV/IR guidance, but its just so it is fire and forget, just like in real life, without making gaijin have to introduce another mechanic into the game (ATG radar guidance for missiles), which now that I think about, it's pretty much what the Kormoran already has, except it only works(barely) on boats(and AI anti air for some reason).

[@Taurevanime]

Even just giving it a radar lock on at launch rather than after launch would go a long way towards balancing it with other weapons that currently exist for other aircraft and helicopters in game.

[@RedTail1-1]

They could easily implement radar for AGM so I don't see why they won't. The Apache could get it's radar hellfire so it can finally attack without having to hold LOS, and they could actually implement the AH-64D Radar making the Apache useful in Sim. Imagine using the radar to ripple off Hellfire missiles. It'd be like Top Tier Air with their ARH A/A missiles.

[@cobilgobsi7648]

@@Taurevanime Just make it more expensive :/ . And having actually realistic brimstones would be very good for air sim.

[@Taurevanime]

@@RedTail1-1 The reason they wont give the Apache the ability to fire and forget their missiles is because the Apache can carry 16 of the things. It would be an utter menace in ground RB. The Tiger UHT and HAD Block 2 are already quite the nuisance because of this feature. And they can carry only 8.

[@MrEsphoenix]

​@@Taurevanimewhat they need to add is a method to limit the armament on vehicles, then they could allow a limited amount of the better armament for the sake of balance.

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Bruh 18km max range on a slow laser guided brimstone? Bruh that's sad

[@XboxProdigy1]

Still keeps you outside of effective Pantsir range.

[@b.c.2281]

​@@XboxProdigy1 with any luck the brim might actually make it to the Pantsir before the match ends while you're stuck lasing it from low earth orbit.

[@Phapchamp]

​@@b.c.2281 >Gets intercepted by Pantsir before the match ends

[@user-su6ts9wm1h]

Bruh that's how it preforms like irl Bruh

[@errornamenotfound2513]

@@user-su6ts9wm1h bruh, it definitely does not have 18km max range nor it is purely a Laser Guided Missile, that would literally remove the sole reason why they created Brimstones in the first place

[@Pure_azure_Sky]

Classic Tornado sadness, i love PGM series of bombs, but they are so easy to intercept... and Brimstones in a form of scuffed plane launched atgm is also just tragic

[@Red_Lion2000]

I agree but people with anime pfp's are also tragic.

[@farawayseal]

if the next world war is gonna be the Iran-Iraq war, Maybe we'll see Exocets?

[@Hunter_i86]

Maybe! :)

[@oliverodell3105]

Hahaha more missiles to hit smoke stacks and be totally useless :(

[@BeedramWallatusk]

Why won't Kormoran's lock tanks?

[@sakyuz6080]

Kormorans are still bad but i guess they hit something now lmao, took like 8+ of them for me to destroy the test drive destroyer, no chance to destroy stuff like a carrier or a destroyer in a actuall battle

[@xWizardxRF]

Well, they have 70 kilo of tnt, so its obv they are weak

[@theperson5185]

@@xWizardxRFmeant to punch holes in modern ships, doesn’t need to be a massive warhead as often just a waterline hole sends it back for years of repairs in the right spot.

[@xWizardxRF]

@@theperson5185 i dont think modern is suitable word, because Kormoran is from 70s. That thing can punch holes however it likes, but it still will be weak, especially considering wt dmg model and repair system

[@Hunter_i86]

At least it stopped hitting the flag pole in the most elevated spot in the ship LoL.

[@weir-t7y]

​@@theperson5185 Too bad they don't hit the waterline, ever

[@tangohotel2599]

For the Kormorans, if you do a ranged shot on a broadside vessel, they’ll spread out more. First dev server I feel had better targeting, with the missiles reliably hitting turrets, range finders, fire directors and bridge

[@janusz4156]

Tornado must comeback in Ace Combat 8. 50 years of Panavia PA-200 Tornado "Tonka"/"Tornie" in 2024.

[@SussyImposter9856]

very nice to see the Brits get some improved strike capabilities. with a new dev server instead of the update this week, do you think you'll have a chance to look more into the new LG bombs for the Su-34?

[@Kelgo102]

The after burner is pretty ❤

[@STRYKER1467]

I will never understand why they add komorans but you cant do anything with them as well as anti submarine weapons and vessels and no subs.

[@Hunter_i86]

They can simply add smaller ships than Destroyers in sim, like crafts and frigates in Denmark map for example to give Kormoran a purpose.

[@STRYKER1467]

@@Hunter_i86 These small boats would just get destroyed by fire & forget missiles, it would only work if they were AI i doubt a player would like to fight a tornado with komorans while being in an LS-3.

[@Hunter_i86]

@@STRYKER1467 Sure, more AI ships I mean, in Air Sim EC mode

[@zeta4687]

no surprise Kormoran is still shit as before still go for the center of voleum( the smoke tubes most of the time) instead of the water line

[@Seedless-Melon]

The kormoran is so disappointing because i want more anti ship missiles but with how warthunder tracks them they always hit the top of the ship.... it defeats the purpose of the missile if it wont strike the ship appropriately...that or add Frigates to sim.

[@aviat_r]

Kormoran anti-ship missile ? I'll be really pissed they had this and not the EXOCET but when I see it hits the chimney instead of the waterline, I'm a little bit relieved. One day maybe they'll make everyone happy ...

[@TaeSang_WT]

seems komoran is back

[@Space_Reptile]

Do you think they would ever add the Agm88 and the prowler to this game?

[@kiri101]

The Kormorans really do target a random module, huh :/ At least they hit something now

[@hawkiii8930]

Hi Hunter like always nice video and do you think the PGM IR will be a new super weapon? Have a very nice day

[@Hunter_i86]

Hello, it has the ranges of KH-38MT which is great but it is still Mach 1. Thanks :)

[@Wotplaya4]

It's essentially a fatter Maverick. It's a bit slower, though the average speed at long ranges are similar to the Maverick (which really says more about the Maverick's speed than anything else), but packs a much bigger punch. Even the PGM-500s pack a sigfnicantly bigger punch and the 2000s of course could easily kill multiple enemies if they bunch up a bit. It's a nice addition for the UK (and France).

[@Owlberightback]

Why are they trying to fix the kormoran now after how long since it came out?

[@MrTW-iv4cx]

guess now they can fly a for a little more before being destroyed by aaa

[@MilenKitsune]

Only thing left is to buff the speed because it's easy to be intercepted by pantsirs

[@marshall-yo5ho]

try using the agm65, that thing flys at about 200 mph after it's booster is done😂

[@Faedz]

i mean it’s a glide bomb it’s not supposed to go fast unfortunately

[@petrkdn8224]

I wouldnt say really a "buff" , if you double clicked the lock on button for PGMs (or any TV guided missile) you can loco the area/ground without locking the tank/target, and it will acquire the target once its in range itself. So if the range is 50km, you vna shoot at 50km , but the actual target lock will be later(closer)

[@Hunter_i86]

it is a fix or a buff for the max launch range, point lock was 20km, now it is 35-40km, it is an enhance.

[@matus_wuki]

Is the event IDS Tornado from German tech tree also getting this guiding pod with the guided weapons?

[@Sky_King7]

20km TGP lock range :''''''''''''''''''''( so stinking sad

[@rodneycook3674]

F15 best for pantsir after the update you think? 5 GBU 39 followed by a maverick? I think it’s good they are buffing these minor nation CAS options but with only a few of these on the plane if a pantsir is paying attention it will just shoot them all down.

[@Wilde_Insel]

I didnt even know there was a difference between point and track locks... for me it was just a lock, so i would shoot lmao

[@Hunter_i86]

Watch this for more understanding kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJy6i32op6-LgtUsi=KjNQVms-3lAp7GBg

[@TerzoOFFICIAL]

Bro, for the first time I entered into the Dev Server. As it has been reopened, I will ask you one thing. As soon as I entered, I was instantly going to test the F-15E, but everything is locked, but I tried to find a way to know, why's everything locked? So I asked an AI and it told me that every vehicle is unlocked by default (tell me if that is true or false). I didn't joined as "Guest", I used my real account, but I keep wondering why I can't get RP, just SL. I don't know why is this happening. I don't know if my same situation is happening to someone else to happened. I don't know if that only happens if you are new in the Dev Server and it doesn't happens as you join for the second time and more. Can you help me with this? Thank you

[@Hunter_i86]

Yes my friend, vehicles are locked by default. However CCs get tons of temporary GE to unlock vehicles fast to make videos about them and make feedback as well. The only way for you to unlock F-15E is by activating all boosters you have and farm AI in random battles to unlock it fast in dev server days. Your boosters will not be wasted in the original account of the live server version.

[@TerzoOFFICIAL]

@Hunter_i86 Ok, but what you mean with "CCs"?

[@Iden_in_the_Rain]

@@TerzoOFFICIALcontent creators

[@TerzoOFFICIAL]

@@Iden_in_the_Rain oh ok

[@guyperson6567]

dude asked an AI lol

[@yomellamoberny]

Hunter, my man. Is there any video where you show us your keybinds, and the use of each one of those dedicated to the optimal use of TGP?

[@Hunter_i86]

I don't have such video, but if you want I can send my control file in Discord anytime :)

[@ZelkriegIV]

Will M2K-5F get these weapons?

[@Hunter_i86]

No, only RMV will get the IR PGM. 5F has TV optical PGMs

[@rodneycook3674]

@@Hunter_i86 that really sucks because at top tier you need to fire AAMRAMs at people just to give you the freedom to drop ordinance. Especially if there is a pantsir up.

[@Sterben026]

Wait what can we even use the anti ship missiles against anyways? The one map that spawns ships at BR 11.0?

[@desertfalcon1539]

ASB (air simulator battles) the Denmark map spawns various ships

[@exseque21]

Just to clarify If it says point will it lock on after it gets nearer to the target? Or do you need to wait until 13km for it to say track?

[@Faedz]

they will track if the seeker can detect it once its around 13km

[@Hunter_i86]

Yes, it will track lock vehicles mid flight.

[@maxmax-lo7pj]

@@Hunter_i86 So its some LOAL type of missile. Would be cool to see these type of guidance for AGM-114L Longbow

[@Hunter_i86]

​@@maxmax-lo7pj all TV weapons perform like this since years, it is not a new thing. I explained it in how to use TV weapons video 👍

[@maxmax-lo7pj]

@@Hunter_i86 Im pretty sure a TV bomb/missile can't track after launch. It's either you point on the ground or track but there it can't track mid air.

[@suhaibawad4479]

Am I dreaming or did Germany finally get something good for the first time since 2 updates

[@unutentequalsiasi5669]

Hi Hunter, 1 question, do you know if the kormoran missile can be an adding for all Tornados? Thanks

[@Hunter_i86]

Hello, only Marineflieger Tornado has it.

[@Ianfrm901]

Is the IR PGM on the Mirages?

[@zenitu6914]

On the new d variant not sure about the 5F

[@Hunter_i86]

On the Mirage 2000D-RMV only

[@xxnomgxx]

Wait you can stabilize over 20km now?

[@Hunter_i86]

No, only a cheesy way for test purposes in test fly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ7KmYJnpM2ahsUsi=mNkxBSABfuK6FPc8&t=49

[@Gurubashy]

and they cried about grom-1...

[@bigtony4930]

Russia main spotted. Opinion invalidated.

[@happychayka]

​@@bigtony4930 democracy is when the only valid opinion is mine

[@Gurubashy]

@@bigtony4930 true NPC line right there. gj mate

[@Hunter_i86]

Comrade, KH-38MT still has 40km point lock range and same track lock range of Maverick D or IR PGM, only it is better because Mach 2.2 speed. Grom 1 was not going to be OP in Ground RB, that's understandable, but it was going to be broken in air modes, spamming bases one minute after take off is the dream of players who do "botting".

[@Sneaky_69]

@@bigtony4930 You sound like the people that cried about F15E engines

[@Peter199204]

I am sad that kormorans only for event Tornado 😢

[@flyingtower]

Did you not see how bad they are? You aren’t missing anything.

[@gammafox5431]

​@flyingtower I can confirm, I have it and its a bad experience all 'round. The tech tree tornados are better.

[@plisket91]

dear youtuber, do you plan to make videos with raytracing?

[@Hunter_i86]

I tested it the other day, the performance went from 140fps\70% GBU usage to 20fps\100% GBU usage. It is unusable in the current state.

[@TakehanaMigozu]

I feel brimstone still bad😢

[@pat6734]

What is the utility to have new IR lock, on PGM ?

[@Hunter_i86]

GR.4 gets the IR PGM

[@fantazitron8998]

it basicly locks heat signatures instead of the picture so it has a way more reliable lock on vehicles

[@Hunter_i86]

@@pat6734 I didn't understand your question at first, you just press the same lock button "lock weapon air to ground" to lock the vehicle by IR or to lock surface.

[@pat6734]

@@fantazitron8998 @Hunter_i86 thanks !

[@pat6734]

@@Hunter_i86 Sorry, I should have asked what the difference is between the two types.

[@Loser-v1i]

هو التحديث ده هينزل امتا يا هانتر ؟

[@Hunter_i86]

يا ريت لو اعرف 😂

[@Washinyot]

if it didnt lock for chimneys

[@NguyenNam-zu6sd]

When update 😢

[@hotrodgreg504]

Do most targeting pods get the longer range?

[@Hunter_i86]

No, still limited to 20km, this is just a cheesy way by pre lock then never touch the mouse again while on TGP haha, useful in test fly only, for test purposes.

[@hotrodgreg504]

@@Hunter_i86 Damn, well I should have known better than to get my hopes up.

[@aidenkim9096]

What's that afterburner skin ?

[@Hunter_i86]

new afterburners next major update

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

honestly is all this super long range stuff not just a bit silly in WT?

[@MJRSoap]

So since AS.34's actually fucking *hit at all now*. When is the Super Etendard getting the Exocet? Its radar is permenatnly locked in fucking ground search right now so it would be nice to have a *use* for its radar. It doesnt even trigger RWR last I checked.

[@Hunter_i86]

Super Etendard radar is naval only, I just checked it.

[@kennycom9]

غيرو مدى القفل بالليزر ؟

[@Hunter_i86]

اعتقد .. ما عاد موحد، كل سلاح يختلف عن الثاني

[@RalfG999]

is this only a nado thing? or is IR range buffed for all weapons?

[@Hunter_i86]

Like what? Maverick D and KH-38MT for example already 23km & 40km ranges for point lock and around 12km track lock range against an MBT size target, they don't need a buff.

[@Mala_suerte71]

Those kormoran are useless, maybe targeting a fishing boat had a chance XD

[@Red_Lion2000]

lol, cant get a reliable track on moving targets outside of 6km with the pgm, and of course they dont give the brimstone fire and forget. Need to remember that Gaijin has a special hatred of Britain for some reason.

[@Hunter_i86]

PGM track lock range is 6km, like Maverick B. And IR PGM is like Maverick D, has 11km track lock range against MBT size target.

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@Hunter_i86 diffrence being that a chimp could intercept the PGM with ease whie using aa.

[@Crusader6A]

Abrams

[@zelf0moord0eend]

now try to get hit by your own missles, lol

[@TimoWT]

Bruhhh do u have RTX4090?! Full setting / ultra RTX on but your fps locked 140 crazy😂😂

[@Hunter_i86]

poor RTX3080, and ray tracing is OFF 😂

[@cobilgobsi7648]

I am so annoyed how everyone is talking about GRB and completly forget about ASB. Is this really so hard to make the game interesting in more ways than just PvP action? Is this so hard to add more PvE gameplay? Oh soRRy But tHe EspOrtS dOnt pLAy PvE... pathetic.

[@vladpodolny3143]

очень медленные ракеты.

[@popajpopaj9768]

Ok

[@guvyygvuhh298]

So they removed grom 1, a GPS rocket assisted bomb, and added the same tbing but IR guided to the new tornado on top of buffing the range from PGMs from 20 to 50km Interesting

[@Hunter_i86]

The IR PGM still worse than KH-38MT, your comparison is wrong by the way. IR PGM: 40km point lock range, 12km track lock range, speed: Mach 1.0 KH-38MT: 40km point lock range, 12km track lock range, speed: Mach 2.2 Grom 1 wasn't going to be OP in Ground RB, that's understandable, but it was going to be broken in air modes, spamming bases one min after takeoff in the biggest map ever is the dream of players who do "botting".

[@guvyygvuhh298]

@Hunter_i86 Wtf does the IR PGM 2000 have anything to do with the kh38 lmao? One is an actual missile and the other is a guided rocket assited bomb. Everyone loves to completely ignore the argument and say "uhm akthualli kh38"

[@Wotplaya4]

@@guvyygvuhh298 Probably because many people, initially at least, complained that the Grom 1 was going to be OP in ground or something and since its removal people think that this was the reason too. Hence why Hunter probably talked about the Kh-38 for comparison (which is just a much better weapon for CAS than the Grom 1), emphasizing on how more powerful the Kh-38 is than the PGM already, hopefully making clear that the reason for the Grom 1's removal was not CAS/GRB related but something entirely else irrelevant (base bombing, farming). Now that's merely an assumption made based on how a lot of other people reacted. Now if you comparison was actually to compare them both in the base bombing context, in which yes the Kh-38 has 0 to do with this all (although I must note that the Kh-38 also beats at least the PGM-500 in the base bombing category as well, but of course not the PGM-2000 due to payload), then it's a valid complaint. But the Grom 1 is still a significant step above the PGM. I feel the Grom 2, the unboosted variant, is actually much closer to the PGM, despite the PGM having a booster. The rocket on the PGM is just that weak, and the wings of the Grom 2 level the two's performance when it comes to basebombing. The PGM is probably a bit faster for shorter ranges, but at longer ranges, it might be closer but I'm not sure. The Grom 1's rocket booster make it more of a missile than a mere "rocket assisted bomb", so it would just blow the PGM out of the water for this same purpose, hence why the Grom 1 was problematic enough to be removed and the PGM isn't. It's a bit sad that Gaijin decided to remove it anyway because of the basebombing reasons, as I would've still liked to see it used in GRB, as it has some things over the Kh-38, while still mostly being outclassed though.

[@guvyygvuhh298]

@@Wotplaya4 Grom 1 was removed bcz ameriturd mains saw the range and cried about it. Like u said I dont think it has anything to do with the OP factor, it was probably (most likely, sight stabilisation stops after 20km) the base bombing thing (free ez rp and the snail cant allow that even if it takes an entire game to kill a base). As much as I love soviet tech for being somewhat different from the copy pasta NATO nations been getting lately, I cannot defend in good faith the kh38, I think its very toxic to the game and imo cas in grb should be limited to 15, at most 20km. Even that is a bit much since almost no spaa can even reach that far

[@1NSANEx]

​@@guvyygvuhh298 Yeah it's strong but take away the KH-38MT or add something with similar capabilities to NATO countries and you suddenly have 0 reasons to play USSR anymore. It's already sad having worse flight models that bleed speed for no apparent reason, worse ARH and worse Fox-2s and no IR for most CAS planes

[@Neckstabba]

Me first

[@magamer_8i]

Grom 1 is so op please delete this gayjin plsssss 😢😢😢😢

[@monhauly]

Is grom 1 back to the game?