Diablo 4 Season 2 While Better Is Still... D4 - The Ups & Downs While Playing Blood Lance Necro

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Forgot to actually talk any about my Blood Lance build lmao, all info is below and I lvl'd with Lance the whole way, seems decent enough once you get the legos for it.
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[@darkweaver9901]

Waiting on season 17 to play

[@Sambhaid]

actually, season 18 is better 😏

[@caseykaiser8219]

Waiting for Diablo XVI to play

[@sanquineo]

​@@caseykaiser8219 playable only on Microsoft Surface Pro gen 57

[@SimonMester]

I felt the skill system was what made me super bored. Barely any choice, like 5 skills to use, and you really only spam one. Feels like the game just runs on rails, I'm not really making any choices.

[@Mathilification]

I like that, runs on rails, well said.

[@lolbajset]

Poe is all about one skill spam lol

[@Pyk0101]

but you have like 300 to choose from and hundred ways to improve it and make it decent@@lolbajset

[@lolbajset]

@@Pyk0101 yeah but it's still one button spam gameplay lol. i don't know why poe players act like they're above diablo one button gameplay

[@Humstuck]

@@lolbajset imo you are being extremely unfair. poe is more complicated than diablo 4. their 1 button has a lot more moving parts. I still prefer d4 though.

[@sephrinx4958]

Game needs an actual skill tree and talent tree... and endgame content... and actual itemization... and.. well... just to be a completely different game.

[@girthpapi]

Finally someone says this about the core of the game. So dumbfounded when I continually hear, "Oh, but the core is good though, just wait for the end game!" It's not going to matter, the core is, and will continue to be, this game's downfall. You could snap your fingers and put every single PoE end game mechanic into this game, and while it would be better, I still wouldn't give a fuck because skills are boring, items are boring, there is nothing satisfying about progressing a character in this game.

[@LinkOmega1]

I brought this up with my friends when the game first came out, I feel that they really need to add new skills to classes every so often to keep it fresh.

[@ChucktheMan33]

This and adding more random events to dungeons like the butcher would help the game a lot

[@Cracks094]

They don't even need entirely new skills, they just have to add Uniques to the game that change how skills function or interact with other skills.

[@joshuahensley9395]

Imo the whole one skill generates recourses and another spends it is so tired and boring, it would take a rework top to bottom to get me into it.

[@Cracks094]

a perfect example would be the sword set from diablo 3, which turn whirlwind from a spending ability into one that instead generates resource while using

[@terrypankhurst7601]

They just need to add stuff like new gems that add elemental damage and effects, would open the build diversity massivly.

[@stanyeo6650]

Thanks Mathil D4 is now only 2 chaos orbs

[@bocheduszko]

D4/10

[@stonefolk2778]

I don’t see where they go from here with their itemisation and build variety. To fix the issues they’d need to rework it all. The skill tree is so basic and the stats on items suck.

[@girthpapi]

Pretty much. I would need to see complete skill, class, paragon, and itemization reworks to begin to even consider checking the game out again, and that's not going to happen any time soon, especially when such a lackluster season can generate a decent amount of hype.

[@Maclain55]

D4stillbad

[@KamiSlayer86]

Man I can't wait for Poe 2 rofl

[@Mathilification]

Meanwhile PoE 1 is still doing pretty good things, worth playing imo ;)

[@KamiSlayer86]

@@Mathilification I play it every season lol

[@stevefreier3992]

I absolutely agree! Fun to play every class once and then your done.

[@Billebit]

Why, for the love of everything that is out there, are boss"MATERIALS" not in the MATERIALS TAB?

[@EssigSaureEthylEster]

I always *love* it when a game tells me that i cant play right now and should wait a few hours until my preferred gamplay is available

[@Gwith126]

Mathil, your takes are always on point.

[@dimitarangelkovski9877]

Waiting on 3.23. 😄

[@CouchOwner2]

the irrelevance of the addition of target dummies in this game kinda highlights a fair bit of the problem. in PoE they could be very helpful to workout how actual interactions work... while in D4 they're pretty much useless because you can just look at anything and figure out everything about how it would work, scale, play, in a matter of minutes, and worse yet that doesn't change really patch to patch. the PoE problem can at least be exciting to ponder and solve while the D4 problem is just a problem... it's just boring/annoying.

[@Essemlol]

Adding a new skill in D4 wont do all that much. OK, here you go barbs heres a new core ability and heres the legendary powers that go with it. OK, sure its new and fresh for a total of 3 hours. While in PoE adding a new skill. It can be played by multiple "classes" and it probably have 10 different ways of playing/scaling it keeping it fresh for so much longer.

[@WardenDios]

Adding new skills in PoE: Those skills can be used by all classes and ascendancies, and can often be utilized in different builds, such as Dark Pact with skeletons or without skeletons. Adding new skills in Diablo 4: Those skills can only be used by one class in one specific build Conclusion: Adding new skills in PoE brings 4 or 5 fold more content than in D4. If D4 wants to add the same amount of content with each new season that PoE adds by introducing 4 or 5 new skills in a league, they'd have to introduce like 30-45 new skills at a time.

[@Deminese2]

@@WardenDios D4 doesn't even support builds they have concepts of at launch. Necro has thorns passives and shields that provide thorns but theres fucking nothing really to make it viable since launch. Also they barely even add aspects or uniques compared to PoE. Also "minor" thing but some of the uber uniques don't even have Unique art. Andariels Visage doesn't.

[@RevXSavage]

Nailed it right on the head. For me it's been the skills, the build spender system(which I can't believe they thought this was a good idea again) and what feels to be a bunch of wasted opportunity with the builder skills that could have been a core, definitely more limited then D2 skills in my eyes. I can roll Blizzard, Nova, Fireball Firewall Meteor, Hydra, Lightning, Chain Lightning, Charged Bolt, whatever as a core skill and usually pair it up with a second skill. In this game, its that one core skill with utility and mobility and thats it. Just feels like a game that wants to hold your hand from the moment you load into it, rather then learn, adapt, grow, create, design, choose. Even the Paragon board is just stat inflation, doesnt change the way you really play your character. Just...bland. Well see what Blizzcon has in store. Though my expectations are in a bottomless pit. Can't get any lower then that. Probably why Blizzcon tickets are STILL on sale. Not to mention all these bugged ways to do absurd damage.

[@kenjikodai]

Just got the game and played it, it's definitely limited to me and sadly I haven't found a build that clicks with me the same way HP Ice Crash is basically my life on PoE. Hopefully they don't abandon it and keep workin on it because it can be nice to switch arpgs every now and then

[@synen]

I got the vibe you made this video and played D4 S2 because you are content creator, else you would have said, screw it.

[@Mathilification]

Kinda, I felt some sense of duty to give the mechanic and changes a shot to be able to give feedback on them. Otherwise yea I may have skipped and waited for next big thing it has to offer.

[@illfate757]

I basically say it's fun/better but it's still the same game.

[@kylebusc3624]

I just cant get over the fact that out of all the league mechanics they could have chose from, we somehow ended up with green helltide. I mean come on... Where's the creativity?

[@Noxi843]

d4 bad

[@theinfernity1799]

Compared to PoE that has years of leagues, yeah. It feels lackluster. The problem is that Blizzard will prob drop D4 in 2-3 years latest before they can add more content to it... Cause then D5 will be announced. Or another game that will replace Diablo.

[@rusduderus]

BASED

[@jeffreyhodes]

d4 bad

[@theinfernity1799]

@@PeanutMike yeah. 10 years. It did grow with PoE and therefore it was able to grow content with it, just like PoE. But what now with D4? Which has not that much seasonal content? PoE is a big player and will always be. And D4 just lacks content. I am against D4. I dont even need to play it to say that. Too much different things that I dont like that sum up. But the thing is also: Is it worth for Blizzard to keep this up or not?

[@Asag321]

@@theinfernity1799 Ofc it is because alot of people still play D4. And PoE is a niche game that had like 300k player peak?

[@alemayehusolomon941]

Season is fun if you play like 1-2 hours a day. There are some people who play more in one day than others do in a month. It's really easy to level so it's not hard to get 100 if you try. Density changes and exp changes are great.

[@ggzii]

Picked it up on sale for £30 that seems more reasonable.

[@chicomanara]

Been saying this for a long time, they treat D3 as the target and "innovate" in areas that in realitty didn't matter. Now I change that, because had they got D3 learnings from the beginnings, they wouldn't get the game released with limited stash, spread towns and such. And I'm not even talking about D3 being a shallow game, that can be fun for 2 to 3 days at a season start.

[@CCSplinters]

hated how the item is right now, not just the affixes, but also the drops. It's like D3 all over again and D3 is understandable, characters are actually powerful in lore but in D4 is so much grounded and you just pick up godly powers now and then. It just doesn't feel right. Skills, Put aspects in skill tree that we can invest with like 3 points per aspect rank, etc and we still have skill points past lvl 50. Make the aspect in item utility based like ricochet projectiles, area of effect, attribute stacking mod, etc. In general, Aspect enhances SKILLS, it should be in skill tree. The actual aspect that could've been and probably better is utility based so that playing feels good and not limit your equipment on a certain skill. It hinders your equipment progression since you have to stop equipping good items or your build doesn't work.

[@DCUOCover]

I was done before the first season and have never been able to get back into it since then lol

[@yunaashinaba1040]

I hate going from tier to tier cause it just feels like there is no point in putting any effort into already boring stats in t2 and t3 cause I will be replacing those items with any ancestral/sacret trash I come across as soon as I switch

[@Rothulian]

Completely agree. I actually thought I would get 5-7 days of enjoyment out of this league (so something like 40-60 hours). But honestly I got bored after about 12-15 hours and getting to level 70 or so. The seasonal mechanic has a horrible ui. The skill/passive/paragon board system are also just so uninteresting after youve played through it once or twice. The near infinite combos you can create in PoE always keep the game fresh. I dont know if I will come back for s3 without MASSIVE changes, personally.

[@gurraglad]

PoE players will always find Diablo games underwhelming in many ways, its hardly surprising.

[@jimb.598]

@@gurraglad POE ruined my Diablo 3 experience. I should of played Diablo 3 first. I wouldn't of known what I was missing.

[@gurraglad]

@@jimb.598 that is too bad. I think PoE has made a lot of gamers minmaxers which ruin the experience. Diablo games are a good change of pace, just slack grind with your buddies while having a good time.

[@antonego9581]

the game really is fun, combat feels great. and now theres a good amount of mobs to kill. but yeah, there's just no content. the loot sucks and there's nothing to do once you get higher level i do think this season was a good step in teh right direction. the loot is the big issue but the game overall is a good foundation to build on, they just need to add a lot more. More items, more skills, more content and a real end game progression system

[@Kluaos]

Tbh, after playing S2 for a bit, the game just feels like D3 2.0. With all the Boss nerfs, broken builds (overpower, lighntning orb etc) and the game generaly being wayyyy faster/easier spamming loot all over the place. Sad to see the game go the same route as D3. Hoped it would keep going towards the good old D2 days.

[@weedalism]

d4 is just a demo for ppl who are not into arpg so they can understand how it works. if they like it they will play poe after this "demo". thanks blizzard, more ppl who answer trades :)

[@Skaatje]

That is a very cool shirt!

[@copenormcbrokelegsproperra2909]

It's really nothing more than D3 but a bit more elaborate/involved but still has the complexity and depth of a shallow pond in the end. I also dislike the generator+spender concept of gameplay for D4 which is what they did for D3 as well.

[@TheTickyTickyTicky]

still waiting for season 5 where they remove all cooldowns from all skills

[@StraightSnag]

They need to somehow make the dungeons more fun, they're so lacking and they're such a core part of the game. Still burnt out from launch, hopefully playable in season 4?

[@severinschultheiss5213]

If they ever remove those fucking objectives and up the density again, im in for dungeons.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

yea just straight up turn them into maps like PoE, a fuck ton more density, not linear/objective based so you can clear in any order, more procedural generation to make each map of the same zone feel different to run through.

[@JohanCardel]

Yea, NM dungeon objectives needs to go, make them about killing monsters like they should be. If there was any objective, make it fun/challenging, but current stuff is just a waste of everyone's time.

[@shodan9843]

Could not agree more with your take on the game. I got my fill on release, enjoyed it for what it was, but on the whole so disappointed. The itemisation and loot hunting was so boring. Dungeons were so repetitive. Had no interest to come back for the seasons, which is a shame as a huge Diablo fan.

[@crabhmandu5819]

i wonder can you disable the "vulnerable" text spam yet?

[@guymcperson9300]

Yep

[@MyNameIsSalo]

but how will casuals know when mobs are inflicted with vulnerable then

[@Schizm1]

Can't say I agree. I respect your opinion tho. For me, last PoE league was where I drew the line. It was absolute borefest with broken mechanics and performance issues for the first 2 weeks. I just stoped and for now I think I'm done with PoE. I'm super hyped for PoE2 and this season of D4 game me tons of fun so I think I'll stick with Diablo till PoE2 comes out next year. Not to mention Grim Dawn is gonna get new DLC and Last Epoch is releasing at the begining of next year. With all that I just can't justify going through all that PoE bloat. Even thought of doing campaing for YET ANOTHER TIME makes me sick...

[@adamkondrk8999]

D4 buildmaking..... just chack keyword in passive tree and your build is done ................kid in preschool probably would make more interesting arpg passive skill tree.

[@bolowbc]

How dare they redesign the mount for traveling purposes, obviously game-design wise you're supposed to be Horse Simulator 1850 in an ARPG

[@Sile]

Outside of the green zones (blood harvest) the game is still pretty lack lustre. QoL changes are good, but more needed. Nothing of any real meaning changed though. Itemisation is still bad, no end game, game is easier overall. It's pretty much a one-and-done for me. Can't be bothered leveling paragon glyphs as NMD are boring. Will probably hit 80 and give it away. Almost done all the uber bosses now anyway.

[@drazendadic6666]

Yay

[@SawtoothGrin1986]

I just bought D4 because it was on sale and hey fuck it i'll give it a shot even with all the negativity and wow.... It just feels robotic? It's really difficult for me to play for more than 2 hours before I just get so bored.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

The story is really good for an arpg and definitely worth the money. Immersive world and good voice acting. It just has no endgame so feel free to quit once you finish the story. The story is worth it though, definitely not robotic.

[@SawtoothGrin1986]

@@MyNameIsSalo Probably true but I typically don't care at all about story and am more interested in gameplay and making unique custom builds which this game is horribly lacking

[@MK-dq1bt]

Your video says one thing but shows your having a blast playing literally every feature the game and s2 has to offer😊

[@and-jz7cx]

if you are 10y old d4 its ok 😂

[@hertvang1]

This season is for everyone, much better than S1

[@CyberPrimal]

And previous was for?

[@Manashroom1]

I enjoyed doing the campaign for d4, but the end game man is it fucking boring id rather just play poe lol blizzard really haven't learnt anything over the years. same goes for bethesda lol

[@MyNameIsSalo]

D4 is just dead on arrival, nothing is going to fix this. The whole skill tree and class system is horribly outdated and makes it impossible to expand upon. Like if you add 1 skill to D4, thats something one class can use and it creates exactly 1 new build and maybe not even that if its worse than existing builds. PoE on the other hand makes 1 support gem or even a fucking annoint on an amulet or unique ring to make projectiles return back to you and suddenly there's literal hundreds of new builds from a single mod on an item/gem/tree. And PoE gets new mods on trees,gems,gear etc multiple times a league. D4 just cant have that explosive build diversity when everything is tied to classes and passive trees, they can try and make unique sets or whatever that change how skills function, or make new skills, but every change they make will at most make 1 new build and never any more. So once you've played a class once you've kinda played it forever. No reason to replay. Maybe in 2-3 years there will be enough changes to justify replaying it but honestly I doubt it.

[@gurraglad]

While I agree with many things its still Diablo, not PoE or another arpg. It wont get more skills, really difficult bosses and mechanics or anything like that 🙂 As a casual I enjoy D4. It is simple, easy to get into and I dont really need guides or lots of knowledge

[@luccampeau7541]

Remember when poe was a loot collecting game instead of a currency collecting game. D4 isn't all bad. Just need tweaks and more content, obv. It's a big company and the price tag attached should've given more, yes, but i think it'll come. I do agree about the feeling of uniques being diminished as they are basically a given farming the "end game bosses". Hopefully the game has a bright future. Honestly, i watch all your shit but poe is life draining and this game, for me, is a breath of fresh air. Ha.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

really depends how many hours you've put into the game. D4 runs for about 50 hours and then it's time to quit forever because theres no content, can push it to 100 if you want to try all classes but no more than 50 if you only play 1 class. PoE is essentially infinite. I'd wager that you've played PoE too long and didn't know when to stop, but only have like 10hrs into D4. So D4 feels fresh. Play D4 for the same amount of time as you've played PoE then revisit your comment.

[@luccampeau7541]

@@MyNameIsSalo Oh yes, you're right about all this. My point is that fundamentally, D4 is *good*. I feel that at least for me, fundamentally, PoE is not good. It's never been good. L:iterally the idea is to not know what's going on on your screen, math doesn't add up, always need gimmicks to do dmg / survive. It's annoying for me now and more of a chore to play. I can't just pick up poe and play because i have to farm currency in a loot collecting game because loot doesn't drop. The market is just ripe and it's the only game worth playing. All D4 has to do is add to their tree, more to the paragon board with maybe some more customizable things on the boards, and add more content to farm with a balance of "wow a cool drop" and "nothing drops at all" type of feel. It's still a "new" game. Long story short, you're not wrong. haha

[@luccampeau7541]

@@MyNameIsSalo And i mean there's tons they could build off of in D4. I'm having fun but yes, it's not gonna be a 500 hour season or anything near that. They need to add 6 stats of lesser strength on gear, expand the tree, at least start with not being forced to pick the one node after the skill. Odd design decision there. Changing that and adding another passive to each and every skill would be a good start. End game has been watered down completely it feels like, and i hope to %^&* they don't just recycle content with "uber uber uber duriel". This whole uber thing is stupid, i think. They also need more mob types like the dmg reduction mob where you target that mob. That is a good design choice. "More dmg and more health" is not a good design imo. Neither are any form of immunity phases/abilities. As far as the complaints about loot drops, i really like it. Ever look at what drops in PoE since that's the big comparison? you need a strict loot filter to see the currency because items are useless.

[@kennethnoisewater4423]

@@luccampeau7541 I feel the opposite I guess, find it's a chore to look through 30 rares in D4 and then have to run some abstract equation in my head over +30% vs cc'd or +35% vs burning, bc I can burn with an ability every 20s but I CC when I crit. all for an increase of like 0.9% of my total damage in a game that's forever scaling around my level. in PoE currency is loot in item form, it's just an additional layer of that itemization. more deterministic if not just bc you can choose the base to generate the item, and I'm not sure having to stop every 5 mins to check your inventory and dump/sell rares is really that great a gameplay loop. you're expecting to get maybe a 1000 rares a session, do you really wanna look through them all?

[@joshuahensley9395]

Just seeing gear having stars on it in your inventory feels so mobile. Like they don't actually have content for you to do so they are artificially infalting play time by making you grind for your items to work like they are supposed to.

[@carlosporrais]

D4 BAD Baseg

[@Parashroom]

D4 bad baseg

[@Schnaqer]

so there is still 15% of viewers who will downvote diablo videos for the sake of it

[@Geechi_]

Much higher than that, especially in Mathil video 😂

[@samuelhipperson8503]

100% agree with the game being soulless Mathil, you should checkout project diablo 2, its the opposite. older graphics but the core arpg elements are perfected!

[@CelphTitled7]

i love how most people still didnt learn to buy games after the release and after people made revives on it, still laughing my ass off at everyone who keeps complaining about the game 😂

[@doaks31]

TLDW: gamer who plays PoE for hundreds of hours each season continues to not like (which is fine btw) the much more casual friendly D4 but feels compelled to make D4 content because it is very popular

[@TakeItEasy.]

d4 bad

[@cosmicillusion788]

D4 is soo damn trash. The game itself should be 5 dollar atleast or maybe 1 dollar because it's bad. I'm feel soo angry. I can't be angry otherwise my hair will fall and gonna be like Asmonbald.

[@GW2KillerBEE]

People forget that POE launched in a horrible state even worse than d4 had no endgame content at ALL and was one of the worst servers i have ever played on they have done so much to improve the game to a 10/10 in POE atm, but you have to be honest POE at launch was a 3 out of 10, at least Diablo 4 had a super hard endgame boss was it 1 or 2 weeks after launch? POE we had to wait 1 whole YEAR for a super hard boss.

[@nwthrowaway3804]

dont compare a game launched from a basement funded by magic cards a decade ago to a game made by thousands of employees of a multibillionaire company with almost 30 years of arpg making experience lmao

[@GW2KillerBEE]

@@nwthrowaway3804 This is so brain-dead of a take. 3 people from a basement had more passion, dedication and vision for what they wanted POE to be then 1000 employees of blizzard that's how POE got to be so successful. You are one of them people that think more workers = better product or service, right? No, it can actually be worse for a product or service, way worse. Looks like you never finished college or got into any real life jobs, so you wouldn't know that bloat or bureaucracy in companies is a thing and can slow down development/things to a snails pace compared to an efficiently running team of 50 or so people that just put their heads down and work hard with a sound vision for a game. Sick of idiots like you.

[@Deminese2]

PoE on launch definitely had endgame. It still had the map system and very powerful build enabling uniques like Shavvs or Bringer of rain at the time + way more builds than d4 to explore. But yeah a tiny ass budget so the comparison is dumb. Within a couple years PoE evolved the arpg genre to what we expect as a standard today. D4 is lagging behind that 9 year old evolution.

[@GW2KillerBEE]

@@Deminese2 You mean the lottery system? where it was super hard to sustain high tier maps? and had 0 endgame bosses? it took them 1 whole year to add a endgame boss. the players were so unhappy that the game dropped from 30-50k players down to 6-12k for a long time. Most people who worked on d2 has left blizzard so the arpg experince is not really in blizzard anymore. Like i said in my other statement someone that is passionate devoted has a clear vision and has a good work flow can be 100x more efficiently then 100 employees that have a meeting every hour to discuss the "vision of the game" or to discuss "pipeline content" with 5 different teams working on 5 different builds of the game trying to mesh it all up concurrently i think you are another person who has no idea what you are talking about ow well.