Cessationism, Apostolic Gifts, & the Ongoing Role of the Holy Spirit

Cessationism, Apostolic Gifts, & the Ongoing Role of the Holy Spirit - Costi Hinn & Jonny Ardavanis

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@mnsrn Ай бұрын

Thanks guys.. I was raised Pentecostal (tongues, interpretation, drunk in the spirit, slain in the spirit - that camp). Then I rebelled. Then I got saved and ended up in hypercharismania/word of faith/dominionism and loving Bethel. Then my eyes were very shockingly and abruptly opened and now I hardly know how to trust anyone or even reality sometimes. I find it grounding to listen to conversations like this one. Thank you.

@aubrey1995 7 ай бұрын

First of all, I want to say thank you for this series. It’s been very informative for me. I have a cool rain story. I was on a mission trip to Kosovo, which is primarily Muslim. There’s a mosque every corner like there’s a church every corner here in the Bible Belt. We were headed to do a day of ministry in a city that is especially closed to the Gospel. It was supposed to rain all day and we were doing everything outdoors. We prayed that God would stop the rain. And he did. But what was wild was that it stopped raining when we arrived and started again when we left. However, even more wild… the only other time it rained the whole day was during the Islamic call to prayer. It started when the call to prayer started and stopped when it stopped. The sun came out again immediately after. I try not to over spiritualize things, but it felt like a very spiritual moment.

@chrisr5099 8 ай бұрын

This series has been instrumental in my understanding of the Holy Spirit! With every episode that I have watched I now have a better understanding of who He is, what He does, and how His gifts are active in me! Thank you Johhny and Costi for making this series! Cannot wait for what comes next!

@lewislibre 8 ай бұрын

This was one of the best talks I’ve heard on cessationism!

@felipewatkinson2101 8 ай бұрын

Good morning, dear brothers. I just wanted to chime in and say how blessed I am by your fresh Biblical look at this ongoing debate among believers in Christ. As a former Charismatic in the Latter Rain/MOG/Restoration/Shepherding movement, this discussion is near and dear to me. Although I wholeheartedly reject Calvinism, I truly and sincerely appreciate brother Hinn's humble, honest, and loving approach to this hotly debated topic.

@marcgunz 2 ай бұрын

@@felipewatkinson2101 I reject Calvinism too, are these 2 pastors that are discussing the gifts both Calvinists?

@felipewatkinson2101 2 ай бұрын

@@marcgunz Yes! Neo-Calvinists.

@marcgunz 2 ай бұрын

@@felipewatkinson2101 that’s what I thought, thanks. Is Costi Hinn any relation to Benny Hinn?

@mnsrn Ай бұрын

He is a nephew of Benny Hinn and used to work for him. @@marcgunz

@lisanyijimenez1147 8 ай бұрын

🎉loved this episode. Need to rewatch.

@jessicabaeza8338 8 ай бұрын

God Bless You my Brother's! Please continue with this series! ❤️‍🔥

@grettahucht5617 8 ай бұрын

I would love to see a video with you and Costi talking about Spiritual warfare!!!!

@inolino-productions 8 ай бұрын

Awesome conversation! Thankyou for your ministry. Praise God.

@cherylt.2444 20 күн бұрын

Thank you! Great teaching, now on to the spiritual warfare video 🙂

@anotherintrospekt6596 8 ай бұрын

Am impressed by this gentleman

@jeremycoleman318 8 ай бұрын

Absolutely loving this series and have shared with several people.

@dialinministries 8 ай бұрын

Glad to hear! Thanks Jeremy!

@Aidansvisual 8 ай бұрын

I’ve already watched all the previous parts of this series.

@dialinministries 8 ай бұрын

Glad to hear!

@ethantanatsiwasesedza8305 8 ай бұрын

Really needed this, Thank you brothers, Stay Blessed 🙇🏿‍♂️✝️❤️

@emmainjesus78 8 ай бұрын

Been really enjoying this series. Such a blessing.

@Talletc 7 ай бұрын

I learned so much from this video, thank you

@alfreddelacruz5134 2 ай бұрын

Tk you for this information! AMEN.

@Aidansvisual 8 ай бұрын

As I was watching an Isaiah Saldivar video I saw that you posted this 5 minutes ago!

@estevenn_ 8 ай бұрын

Got the book recently enjoying it thanks for these videos

@dialinministries 8 ай бұрын

Enjoy! Thank you!

@andreadilorenzo_ 8 ай бұрын

Really good, brothers ❤️‍🔥

@127fit9 5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@ruthstokes-wg6xb 8 ай бұрын

Great informative chat

@dialinministries 8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@anasantiagorusse 5 ай бұрын

So good.

@meghaneason4620 4 ай бұрын

So helpful!!

@markthomas4310 4 ай бұрын

Folks if your desiring the Holy Spirit open up your bibles daily and long for the word, the more you understand God's truths the more the Holy Spirit changes you in sanctification or being more like christ according to Paul. You don't need mysticism or special revelation of sorts because the cannon is closed. True believers are already anointed with the Holy Spirit at justification. You have everything you need in Scripture. Crave it and watch the Holy Spirit move through your life.

@ashleymoorex3 8 ай бұрын

Soooooo good

@godfearer4118 17 күн бұрын

I would say even as a Reformed continuationist, I still see a foundational nature of those certain gifts. Therefore, although scripture specifies they won’t cease until the end, we shouldn’t expect them as normal. I would just view the gifts as continuing as they have throughout history, distinguished from the charismania of the modern era. And yes, I agree tongues are actual foreign languages.

@Factoreffectsmedia 8 ай бұрын

The Spirit gives gifts as he wills.. ;)

@nopenoperton249 8 ай бұрын

Who’s saying otherwise?

@itsnow2023 8 ай бұрын

So how do you explain those who receive the gift of speaking in tongues? Are their experiences not real? There are millions of Christians with genuine godly experiences of encountering the in filling of the Holy Spirit

@rodneytumwesigye3423 5 ай бұрын

Question(s): What is the gift of tongues: Are the tongues earthly languages or languages of angels or any other?

@marcgunz 2 ай бұрын

@@rodneytumwesigye3423 the Bible says tongues are both known languages and unknown languages- in Corinthians it says he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks to God and not men therefore that is different from the tongues received in Acts where they were speaking in known languages. When tongues are used in a church setting there needs to be the interpretation of the tongo that’s what Paul was correcting in Corinth but there are tongues of men Snd supernatural tongues that is still in operation today, the gift of tongues that need to be interpreted is not given to everyone as Paul said ‘ do all speak with tongues’ that’s what he was referring to but the tongues we speak privately to God are given to all believers if they ask God for it. I have been edified in my personal prayer life by praying in tongues and singing to God in tongues and many times God has blessed me through this gift so no one can tell me it’s not in operation today I have the experience to prove it. God also has done supernatural miracles through me to others in the past 42 years for his glory. Yes I thank God I got saved in a Pentecostal church who believes in all the gifts are for today but I also believe they can be taken out of context and misused for show but that dosent mean it’s invalid. Also it’s not given by the devil as some have claimed the Bible is clear that if we ask God for the Holy Spirit he will not trick us and give us a counterfeit.

@mnsrn Ай бұрын

I was one of them. Honestly it was babbling. It was never any known language. I did what I was taught, and believed it was "tongues". I was misled.

@alekbuck8067 8 ай бұрын

Please do the video on spiritual warfare! This video was so helpful!

@Mr.Finley_Jamison 8 ай бұрын

Amen.

@michaelmagee4318 25 күн бұрын

I love this podcast and want to clarify MY position as a cessationist. While I do subscribe to the idea that the miraculous Gifts of the Holy Spirit have largely ceased, I do believe that where we see new Churches being planted in places formerly blind to the Gospel (parts of Africa and Asia) that we can almost expect to see these gifts reappear. That said - the Holy Spirit is by no means limited by our doctrine and I believe has continued to heal at his discretion. But modern apostles, no. Modern prophets - pastors in the true sense of the word but no other. And tongues today is babble. My opinion. God bless all

@caps_lock_ 2 ай бұрын

Question: what denomination are both Costi and Johnny ?

@ChamomileMineral 2 ай бұрын

Timestamps?

@gabrielcarrasco602 8 ай бұрын

I would say im a biblical continuationist.. 😂 if you claim it or you got it it better look like it does in the Bible.. 🙏 Great conversation and series.. What up pastor Costi.. thats my pastor by the way..

@srohre9513 8 ай бұрын

The undeveloped/remote country posit seems to have some gaps from my perspective. In the U.S. we have a huge influx of individuals that are ESL at best. Wouldn’t an outbreak of Tongues, speaking of their native languages, be a perfect catalyst for a genuine revival in the US.?? Additionally, I have seen YT videos from LDS missionaries talking about Tongues encounters. Early LDS members also claimed Tongues experiences. Won’t limit what God can do, but there is a strong correlation between money and signs/wonders worldwide.

@AGODLYMINDSET 6 ай бұрын

Those people may have been the exception but it’s important to know it’s not the norm…

@brooke9131 8 ай бұрын

My pastor, Craig Johnson of Gospel Hope church in Knox, TN, also doesn’t like the word cessationism. He coined his own term, like you, Costi. He calls it “completionism” 😂

@marcgunz 3 ай бұрын

All the gifts given to the church are still in operation today as we are still in the church age until the rapture then we will have no need for the gifts when the church is gone, When Jesus returns “ that which is perfect has come” not the Bible then we will no longer have need of the gifts. You can’t pick and choose which gifts are for today and which has ceased just like you can’t pick which 613 laws of the OT to obey and not obey Jesus fulfilled the law and the gifts given to the church are meant to be operated through the Holy Spirit until Jesus returns, we see them in use in Acts and Corinthians and if the church is still here then the gifts are still here. Don’t go by your denomination beliefs go by what the Bible says!

@rorysullivan4913 2 ай бұрын

Agree. I see room for the gifts as given in today's world for the edification of each other and the church. Yes I do believe these gifts are misused by many, unfortunately.

@JewandGreek 8 ай бұрын

It's a common cessationist misconception that tongues were used to preach the gospel in foreign lands. There was absolutely ZERO need for tongues to communicate the gospel in the Roman Empire because everybody had a common language - Koine Greek. And not everybody heard their native dialect, because some apparently heard gibberish because they mocked them and said that they were drunk. The tongues on the Day of Pentecost were a sign to get the attention of the Jews gathered in Jerusalem for the festival. When Peter preached he would have spoken in a language they all understood, either Koine Greek or Aramaic. There's nothing in Acts 2 that suggests that Peter was preaching via the gift of tongues.

@samuellundin5328 8 ай бұрын

@JewandGreek can we have discussion sometime about pentecostal history especially oneness trinity divide.

@juanmaldonado2848 8 ай бұрын

This is so misleading it’s sad

@jeremycoleman318 8 ай бұрын

“Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs-we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.” And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.” But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: “Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams; Even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit And they shall prophesy. And I will grant wonders in the sky above And signs on the earth below, Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood, Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come. And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ bible.com/bible/100/act.2.5-21.NASB1995

@nopenoperton249 8 ай бұрын

“Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14‬:‭22‬ ‭ESV‬‬

@jakubkrticka1040 8 ай бұрын

Well at least one part of your comment is right, it was the sign for Jews about coming judgement, that happend. You dont need tongues anymore...for what? There is no new doctrinal revelation. And if you want to say that the gift is also for individual benefits, why would you speak to God if you dont know what you are saying, 0 sense, its pointless

@royalpixelfam 3 ай бұрын

Love this video, there are some not-theologically comments. Interpretation of tongues, and the gift of tongues are not 100% always available at all times. Also, there are many examples of prophets in the Old Testament that made errors.

@Bearthowlemew 3 ай бұрын

Please provide scripture when a prophet prophesied falsely.

@royalpixelfam 3 ай бұрын

@@Bearthowlemew Hananiah, Pashhur, Shemaiah... you can literally do a quick google search. There were many so-called prophets who misused their position of authority in the Bible to say things God was not in fact saying.

@Bearthowlemew 3 ай бұрын

@@royalpixelfam they were false prophets. Not true prophets. Just like there are false Christians and true. New agers prophecy... does that mean they're true prophets?

@royalpixelfam 3 ай бұрын

@@Bearthowlemew There's a lot of debate and discrepancy. Lots of false prophets and lots of people doing it for the wrong reasons. But yes, the Bible does point to the fact that there will be people prophesying as they did in Acts, until the day of Jesus' second return. I have myself also seen this firsthand, although it is not as common.

@royalpixelfam 3 ай бұрын

@@Bearthowlemew Also, the claim that "they were false prophets, not true prophets" is said nowhere in the Bible. That's a claim, and that's fine for you to believe it!

@markdoherty754 8 ай бұрын

Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 1 Cor 14. Biblically, it's clearly not just used for speaking to people in other languages.

@dittoman1995 27 күн бұрын

One verse taking out of context does not make it doctrine. Quote the others including the ones in that same chapter how interpretation is required so that others may be edified . Like Paul says " For you were giving thanks well enough but how is you're brother supposed to say the Amen." This implies that that yes it is edifying to the tongue speaking because it's an unknown language being spoken amongst God and the person. God knowing all languages is able to be spoken to in any language

@markdoherty754 27 күн бұрын

@dittoman1995 so you believe that the spiritual gifts are still available to us as God chooses?

@dittoman1995 27 күн бұрын

@@markdoherty754 I'm not advocating for one or another view I'm just saying it was a known languages and interpreted tongues are still a valid form of prayer not because it's magical or a better way of praying but because it's ordinary prayer just done in a foreign language

@markdoherty754 27 күн бұрын

@@dittoman1995 ok but I'm still interested in whether you believe that the spiritual gifts are available to us today or whether you are a cessationist.

@markdoherty754 25 күн бұрын

@@dittoman1995 in fact the context, if we look at the whole of 1Corinthians 14, suggests both. Paul says praying in tongues is good, but if done in church, you should pray for an interpretation. Still no word on whether you believe these instructions are still valid for us today?

@Christianchoose 8 ай бұрын

There is another testament of Jesus Christ! Ezekiel 37: 16-17, The stick of Judah and the stick of Joseph in your hand! Lehi is a descendant of Joseph and his descendants are eyewitnesses of Jesus christ's resurrection. 3 Nephi chapter 11!