Dice Control: Grip Basics

[@jeffreymorris2673]

of all the dice-control videos, you have the best. it's to the point, specific and instuctional.

[@koganinja777]

thanx bro!

[@brentbeard8670]

I'm a dice dealer and I'll say that I can tell when a person takes dice control seriously. A lot of ppl set the dice but they just pick'um up any kinda way and shoot. I've only seen maybe five really good control shooters in 10 years dealing dice. Very good video by the way.

[@AlBeebe]

+ThroneRush AchillesArmy Always foam and for good reason. They use closed cell phone always because water/alcohol cannot penetrate it. Those tables are built to take years of abuse, but the cloth and foam are built to take months of almost non stop abuse. So, they use closed cell phone, that is much thinner then a poker or blackjack table. I don't know the size.

[@yankeejedi2575]

Do the dealers let you do as the video describes?

[@xxmetallica808xx]

I'm a craps dealer on LV strip. The amount of foam differs from casino to casino. And yes, dealers allow you to set the dice.

[@acegibson9533]

most craps dealers can spot a controlled shooter is a Vegas second. most casinos will let a 'controlled shooter' play because most of them suck. 99.9999% of the people don't have what it takes to be a legit controlled shooter.

[@Aceinthehole1179]

Hey buddy I wanted to take the time to let you know that I have only found maybe one other channel on KZbin that I enjoy watching that’s associated with learning craps strategy ,how to play. I really appreciate the close-up on the camera, not a bunch of rambling on about yourself and how good you are, how you repeat yourself several times so that we can understand what you are saying, really good video! I’ve been a poker player for a long time, many years and have walked by the craps table I don’t know how many times, but my last trip I finally decided just to watch for a little bit and blues 40 bucks LOL, but when I came back home I decided to research more and learn more about the game. Not to waste your time but I just wanted to say thank you for making a good video for guys like me that are beginners any questions like this asked and answered. You just go a new subscriber 👍👍 I look forward to watching more of your vids and if you can give me any advice I’ll take it

[@b6493]

hey koga, I have to say that you are the man. I have watched all of your videos and have practiced my controlled shooting using your recommended dice sets as well as one of my own, 6/2 on top, 5/4 facing me. I shoot from the straight out position and believe me I have awesome sessions. I know dice controlled shooters feel the straight position is not a position for using dice control, but I have that position down cold, even on days when the dice are bias because of one element or another.

[@HaroonPoker]

45 minutes at foxwoods; 18 minutes at borgata; 16 minutes at sands without watching any videos and now looking for ways to go longer stumble upon this!

[@phongvong5470]

Hello! Everybody's interested in this Video. Here is a few tips to actually visualize this skill by holding the lighter exactly the same way, then it a somersault, double or triple, et cetera.

[@jasonclark5856]

I use this technique. If you don’t get the dice to split on the throw, you’re good. If the dice split. Good chance of a 7

[@winterguitarkingyea]

If casinos want to make trouble about dice setting DON'T PLAY an tell the bosses at the Casino... Everyone get together and join in to tell the casinos if you want to try to screw us with your "ADDED RULES" ,,, then Tell em ,,, your casino will go bust WITH NO ACTION From Players Saying No to your Rules Making always everything in your favor ...

[@salsagev4074]

This Koga guy doesn't know me, I don't know him. Of all the craps guys/gals out there, he is one of a few that knows his stuff.

[@Bluebird22200]

I immediately thought you have a voice I expect to hear when learning how to grip dice!

[@beaupeterson188]

Of course it’s possible. It’s all physics.

[@b6493]

hey koga, I forgot to mention that I use the 2 fingered grip, because I have large fingers. I also us a flick of the wrist or a whip action when I see the dice are bias. I have a very soft throw even though I shoot from the straight out position. I shoot craps at the Dover Downs Hotel and Casino in Dover Delaware. They have 4 tables that are 12 and 14 ft long. I'm really going for Patricia Demarco's record she rolled 154 consecutive rolls with a random roll, I'm going to use controlled shooting

[@k2matsumoto]

Thanks for the great information. Please show us how you roll the dice on your practice table. I n

[@nak1067]

If you can keep the dice for 4 minutes rolling you make millions

[@jasminedfields]

I always do dice control I have been since I started the game it absolutely works. I can usually roll a good 30 min.

[@cassidy99ful]

Jasmine Fields Sweet. How long did you practice for before you started at the casino? And what is your record before missing out? Do you know or keep track? Just curious.

[@jasminedfields]

it took 5 years. I use to keep track in the beginning but not anymore.

[@cassidy99ful]

Jasmine Fields Wow! That's dedication. Keep up the good work. Do you live near a casino? How much do you usually make? Sorry for all the questions. I just started learning about dice control and find it to be fascinating.

[@cassidy99ful]

Jasmine Fields Sorry to bug you again but I just saw a video saying that some casinos are starting to ban dice setting. I was just wondering if this is a wide spread practice or can you still set he dice in most casinos still?

[@jasminedfields]

I have never gotten in trouble. only when I don't hit the back wall but I can set my dice all I want except at ellis island. I live in las vegas btw

[@justvideos5170]

People should try to set the dice if they're at the craps table.

[@razorbacks1983]

I was at the casino in Shreveport I held the dice 20 minutes on 1 occasion and about 12 minutes the second time I got them it works won big

[@whenincourseofhumane]

Do you have a video showing more details of the dice stacking throw technique? I've been practicing the golden touch methods but I'm always open to new ideas especially if they work fast. Thanks and have a great day.

[@koganinja777]

No I don't, when I show that it was way in the beginning of my dice control career. As of now I don't recommend dice stacking throws, I never did it was just something I saw back in the day. Stick to learning over hand grips throws as they have been shown to work more often.

[@frankweaver4779]

I use the 3v set..my logest time on a session was and hour and 15mins...my best night ever...i do play daily and sometimes take a day off..i do see alot of different ways people set and throw dice...i know for a fact that this does help with the dice out come...i try the 4s on top here and there..i had some good and bad with that set so I end up back with the 3v set...thanks for the video

[@sebastiansebastian370]

He sounds like John Marston.

[@unhinged.2]

still helpful 10 years later!

[@koganinja777]

Yep!

[@k2matsumoto]

Thanks for doing the research. I made my own practice setup and was wondering if you think the amount felt on the table makes a difference when it comes to dice control. I played in several casinos where the dice sound loud when they land, and others casinos have a softer sound. Have you noticed this while you've been playing? Do you think more padding (softer sound) is better?

[@joefran619]

The problem I had with the grip your using is the dice always felt like they fall out of my hand. The yuri grip gave my control especially shooting from the entire length of the table as a lot of time the table was pretty full and I could not get to the stick position.

[@kflashcarr]

Dats the same way I tried to throw today. I rolled like 15 times before 7. Which is great because it was only the second time I've ever tried that.

[@kflashcarr]

New update if you want to make money this is not the way to do it. I throw continous craps.

[@xfactorb25222]

KflashTV lol. love the honesty.

[@quick___silver6389]

+KflashTV Then bet the CE and Don't Pass bar

[@frankandes3425]

Steven Ramon ok nice 7

[@Justin-General]

Can you get surgery on your fingers so they will be more even for the dice throw?

[@unbeatable7772]

Geez- lmao hardcore

[@smeckjee]

Now that’s smart

[@stock929]

Thanks, I just had a hour and 50 minute roll at the horseshoe Hammond, incredible, made close to 200k, thank you I owe it to this video!!!!!!

[@koganinja777]

Hey bro if that is really true then Kick Ass Bro!!! Glad I could help!

[@Pittsburgh2Va]

Jack Kim stop lying 😂

[@islandboy9580]

lmao😉

[@TamTranTriZzle]

I do believe that there can be some manipulation on tossing dice and I find these techniques interesting to learn, bt I just canot see how any method can actually control the outcome of a die. The diamonds on the opposing wall where the dice bounces off from elimitates ANY advantage that can be obtain by the die beforehand. Yes, I have heard stories of someone rolling for 30 min+ on "controlling" the die, but i would juts argue it was just a random good streak of "random" tossing.

[@joefran619]

I prefer the Yuri grip! It has worked well for me!

[@koganinja777]

Yep the old Yuri grip which has become very popular as of late from other videos on KZbin. The Yuri grip is a very specific grip for a very specific task. And in my opinion should be avoided until you have MASTER The Three Finger Over Hand Grip. The Yuri grip when learned incorrectly which almost everyone does will cause you to pick up some really bad habits that will be super hard to break when you finally begin to learn dice control correctly. Also what you will find when you learn and MASTER The Three Finger Over Hand Grip you will not need the Yuri Grip as the The Three Finger Over Hand Grip is far superior and much more versatile. However, thats just my opinion.

[@quanlam6318]

Hi Koganinja:How far your dice lands from wall? and how high dice in the air from surface table? Will dice roll fast after it gets off from your hand? Thanks!

[@jpmc04]

Bro..blowing in your hand with enough hot breath creates condensation which helps the dice stick together...try it dude!

[@TheSlyman123]

Fascinating. I love casinos and gambling. Not much with craps though. Do u win regularly with this ? Does it really work?

[@dicesensei5690]

Are you doing in video chats where I can get some help I've been dice setting for 2yrs and need some extra pointers, I have trouble with y'ing out I know it work because I've rolled for 20 mins straight but didn't know what I was doing to get that outcome

[@koganinja777]

buy my video course and stop wasting your time trying to learn from yourtube videos. my video course puts you on the right track and will answer your ying out question. its not something that i can answer here. go buy my course you will not regret it!!!!! gumroad.com/l/koganinjakadcc

[@frankandes3425]

DiceSensei mio love lol l ok cviv

[@Telthien]

Do you have any chi squared analyses of your rolls?

[@ipaulosan]

cool shirt

[@koganinja777]

Thanx!!!

[@justinwatson9917]

Nice video

[@koganinja777]

Just to let everyone know, the presale is about to end in the next few days.

[@shelbyhelton3121]

last time i threw the dice i hit five points in 36 mins. i do it differently

[@36FullPressCraps]

Excellent video! Well done

[@whootywho]

Bet I won’t be able to do this

[@koganinja777]

sure you will, if you practice your ass off!!!

[@hanksylvan509]

Explain what you’ll doing wrong when you seven out with a 6-1, 5-2 or 4-3

[@tylerabbott7108]

Not on axis most likely one is spinning more than one rotation relative to other. Of course other random factors such as if it’s hitting the alligator to hard

[@TAMPATLBLACK]

I call that the Golden Nugget or Kalifornia grip ;)

[@justinwatson9917]

Do you offer classes

[@mudslidemac9613]

Hi. I don’t imagine you will respond to a comment on one of your first and BEST videos but here goes. For the record this video is the standard with out a doubt on haw to grip the dice. All the best, Mudslide

[@koganinja777]

Sure I will whats the question?

[@mudslidemac9613]

koganinja777. No question just a comment about the fact that this video is the gold standard for how to grip the dice. It was a game changer for me in developing the skill. Just wanted to personally thank you for putting it out there. All the best, Mudslide

[@aquarius9491]

Can the casino kick you out for setting the dice? isn't that kinda like counting cards at blackjack?

[@koganinja777]

They will not kick you out for setting.

[@aquarius9491]

@@koganinja777 Thanks, I was licking my index finger when disquising a cough just prior to touching the inside side of the dice that you squeeze together so the dice would stay constant while in the air. Anyway it's like glue & practically undetectable. Have you tried it?

[@koganinja777]

If you like jail, keep doing what your doing because that is where you are going to end up!!! Yes, I have known about this cheating technique for many years and I have never done it. And yes the casinos know about it too. Just know if you get caught your most likely going to prison!

[@aquarius9491]

@@koganinja777 Yo Ninja 777, No I don't want to go to prison for two reasons I'm not gay & am a bit claustrophobic not to mention I still enjoy my freedom. With that being said I still want to keep the integrity of the dice paired up in the air so now I'm enjoying a grapefruit with honey in the casino buffet & completely forgetting to wash my hands. LOL

[@koganinja777]

You should just learn to throw correctly and that way you will not be cheating and won't possibly end up in prison.

[@crapsplayer]

Excellent Job, man! Thank you for sharing this.

[@koganinja777]

Thanks!

[@chenryrex]

I watched a guy, who was wearing a dealer shirt from a competing casino, roll and he set the dice, then he appeared to pick up the dice, using a closed hand grip. He rolled for just about fifteen minutes, before he rolled his point, then took down all of his "up top numbers", then put $900 on the front line, rolled a seven, and left! It was AMAZING! What I think was MOST amazing was his grip. I haven't been able to find him again, even at the casino, whose shirt he was wearing. I asked some of the dealers, at that casino, if they knew who he was and nobody did. :/ You could tell, though, that he was setting them and picking them up, then he would even shake them, (I'm sure he was keeping them just barely apart, to make the clicking noise), so they would hear the dice being "mixed". Then his roll was what he had set for. Does ANYONE know anyone who shows this grip, in detail?

[@jasonclark5856]

chenryrex nobody can share their throwing procedure with you for sure because you have to find the way that works for you and when you do it’s bitter sweet. Just get to the table, make pass bets only and shoot away to find out what works. Get to that table when it just opens or when no one is there and shoot

[@scottdupont2968]

dude unreal pic

[@kevinjackson9196]

Do u still have the grippers ifso price?...

[@Birdmanbrian1]

@ JPMc4... Blowing on dice in hand for condensation, that's funny, extreme maybe, funny still none the less (: I'd rather practice the right grip and release versus succumbing to blowing on them, lol, but I like the idea anyway (: B-

[@perfectsleeper808]

Koganinja you make life easy! Thank you for everything you post on you tube. Although I didn't make a killing on my vacation in vegas I shot really good! At times I was complimented on my performance. One of my best rolls was 21 rolls at the freemont, guys was giving me high fives before I walked away. "PRECISION SHOOTERS 808"

[@MrCasinosNightmare]

Hey Koganinja, love all your videos, find them all very very useful! I was just curious to know the grip you talked about at the beginning of the video, where one die is stacked on top of the other, what is the name of that grip please?

[@jackhobo6597]

Is GoldenTouchCraps legitimate?

[@koganinja777]

Its better!!!!!

[@CmdrPewpeez]

being a casino Shift Manager with nearly 20yrs of experience, and my knowledge of gaming, anybody who says that you can't control the dice, you aren't very smart. I've seen guys in our usual game protection seminars do amazing things with dice. I've seen them bank off of concrete walls, diamond padding (most casino's use this), slide the dice, helicopter throw, tons and tons of things.

[@koganinja777]

+Swatz TwentyFive Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! Thank You for finally telling the truth!!!! WOW! You just made me whole year! Also I probably know one of those gaming protection guys personally you speak of.

[@perfectrotation3107]

+Swatz TwentyFive i am a seasoned dice controller and the just the other night a stickman leaned over and asked me "how long ya been practicing?" and gave me this odd smirk.. i shoot from the dont pass bar. like 7 or 8 times in a row i would set the point (usually a 4,9,10) then almost an immediate 7.. i left the table +400 and thats the 2nd time ive done that THIS month.. so dice controlling does work if you hone in and take the time to practice.

[@JNhutPham]

if luck been on your side automatic IQ when right up. do you know why the end of the dice table have the spike?

[@45CalChoad]

O k i use Ice Tongs 3 finger & Back roll the hell out of ive done 45 minute rolls Killed it in LV

[@Telthien]

Welp, okay. No need to be hostile. I'm not attacking you or anything; I actually think this could work. Just curious about more concrete evidence.

[@dicesensei5690]

I know what my problem is, they both travel on axis but my right sometimes moves faster

[@LabrnMystic]

I get that too. So then I try to pivot the die to compensate.

[@rahsta106]

How is your dice controlling now? Can you put a video up showing your throw? Im a few days in myself.

[@SY-tk2eg]

I believe its real because my dad does it! 🤣

[@MrCasinosNightmare]

Thanks for the reply! Would different outcomes come, from using different grips?

[@Arch1994]

You are not scared of getting problems in casino for cheating?

[@ttwotigers1]

GOOD

[@perfectsleeper808]

Hey bro what's up? I've beendoing practicing every single day since I got back from vegas 2/24/13. Now learning "strategies". Betting on "any craps" $5 bets bro! It's fucking mean! I wanna go back to vegas tomorrow. That's how confident I fucking feel about the any craps bet. Give me you response on this on. Any comments my friend?

[@colombianito561]

that money adds up take it to the bank and deposit it forreal F!!~!!!!

[@JP73551]

HIS SUBSCRIBER COUNT IS 666

[@koganinja777]

"The Number Of The Beast" "Woe to you, oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the beast with wrath Because he knows the time is short... Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast For it is a human number Its number is Six hundred and sixty six" I left alone, my mind was blank. I needed time to think, to get the memories from my mind What did I see? Can I believe that what I saw that night was real and not just fantasy Just what I saw in my old dreams Were they reflections of my warped mind staring back at me? 'Cause in my dreams it's always there The evil face that twists my mind and brings me to despair The night was black, was no use holding back 'Cause I just had to see, was someone watching me In the mist dark figures move and twist Was all this for real, or just some kind of hell? 666 the number of the beast Hell and fire was spawned to be released Torches blazed and sacred chants were praised As they start to cry hands held to the sky In the night the fires are burning bright The ritual has begun, Satan's work is done 666 the number of the beast Sacrifice is going on tonight This can't go on, I must inform the law Can this still be real or just some crazy dream? But I feel drawn towards the chanting hordes They seem to mesmerise... Can't avoid their eyes 666 the number of the beast 666 the one for you and me I'm coming back I will return And I'll possess your body and I'll make you burn I have the fire I have the force I have the power to make my evil take its course

[@iezyoucpvp5529]

@@koganinja777 8 year old vid and ur still answering comments, you are a beast

[@LAKid2.0]

Hey u Eva came to Louisiana r do u have any contact info

[@BoldBot_Kyle]

Hey bro do you live in Vegas? Where do you play?

[@damienwaters420]

I have an extremely set shot with regular size dice but couldn't get the hang of it with the bigger ones at the casino. Gonna see if these tactics work for me

[@anthonyborruel2971]

It's a question I was looking for while researching ways to control the dice... I stack my dice on top of each other... Wondering about floating of my dice... And I do release as you stated ; except I tap my chips on the pass line... And float them gently joined together with a soft bounce no more than 2 or 3 rolls off the wall...

[@koganinja777]

Its just another way of softly tossing the dice, if it works for you then keep doing it.

[@anthonyborruel2971]

Thank you for your assistance... Looking forward to seeing you at a table for a 40 min. run... thanks again.

[@perfectsleeper808]

Aloha from honolulu my friend!

[@frother]

I am skeptical that you can actually influence the roll by setting the dice.

[@koganinja777]

Words such as "dice control" or "dice influence" are misnomers, what we do is precision throwing. So yes when you "set dice" its helps with the precision throw, absolutely it does.

[@5inthehole]

Because your full of horseshit

[@ScottMartinD]

Hey Koga, do you still use this grip (where you push the dice together)?

[@koganinja777]

Yes I still use this grip, however I do not lower my thump I keep my thump inline to my middle finger always.

[@ScottMartinD]

Also, you mention that the dice should only spin 2-to-6 times. Have you ever tried to have them spin close to _zero times_ (like a baseball pitcher throws a knuckleball with very little spin)?

[@koganinja777]

NO!!! You need the backward motion to make the shot work so the dice do what they need to do!!!

[@elgringoprincipal2982]

Great video. Quick question on the 3 finger grip you show. Have you noticed the position of the little finger influencing the result of the throw? There seems to be a different bias when the little finger is straight up, curled under, or right next to ring finger. Have you found that to be true, or is difference because of my inexperienced/underdeveloped grip mastery?

[@koganinja777]

El Gringo Principal No it's just your inexperience. just lightly place your pinky finger next to your ring finger and make sure it doesn't touch the dice and you should be fine with throw. I have never experienced the pinky ever getting in the way and causing inconsistencies during the throw with me or any of the students I've ever trained.

[@elgringoprincipal2982]

OK thanks, that's good feedback. It is still kind of voodoo to me. I will keep working on the grip then, because the pinky straight up position seems to tweak the right die slightly differently than with the pinky curled under.

[@sidneybear]

I'm impressed, you explained that perfectly and i appreciate that.

[@anthonydionne4703]

what is your thoughts on tiny craps table open during the daytime at my local casino?

[@koganinja777]

+Anthony Dionne Take it down! That Simple!

[@anthonydionne4703]

+koganinja777 yea? recently had a 150$ into 1250$ win on a normal table in a couple hrs. was gunna go up to my other local one, and I know they have a 6 seater mini craps table during the day. any tips before I go? gotta adjust the throw to just a wrist flick, but looks like a better set up to hit the casino hard.

[@LAKid2.0]

Which is a good spot to shot at a table, is it true to be closet to the dealer? Please help

[@koganinja777]

+Keion Snyder Stick left 1 is where you should be. You should consider purchasing my new Dice Control course you find it in the description above for this video.

[@Kurtiskurtical]

Your dominant hand should be as close to the back wall as possible.

[@jeffreymorris2673]

definitely, I will be taking lessons from you. right now, I am down on my luck. once, I develop some money as a counter in black jack, I will let you know. thank you for staying in touch.

[@koganinja777]

Sounds good, just let me know?

[@acegibson9533]

you are wasting your time as a counter, the casinos use too many counter measures. Been there, done that.

[@beastmode-wo3yw]

What about the ice tong grip

[@koganinja777]

What about it???

[@beastmode-wo3yw]

koganinja777 is it effective? And if so how can you execute this grip?

[@koganinja777]

It is effective but not for this throw. The 3 finger over hand grip is way better for this throw. Yes I can execute the grip and throw anybody can really, but its just not that good for this throw. This throw being the 45 degree GTC or Parr throw which everyone does on KZbin. 99% of the people who attempt dice control don't know what grips they should be using for certain controlled throws and they end up mix and matching grips to the wrong tthrow and they end up doing more damage to the dice control careers than they realize.

[@beastmode-wo3yw]

koganinja777 what's wrong with the ice tong grip?

[@koganinja777]

Its not designed to be used with 45 degree GTC or Parr throw which everyone does on KZbin.

[@ecosports6982]

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[@cowboyweightlifter]

I'll be honest with you, I don't gamble or try to use dice control. I play D&D and I actually try to get dice that are MORE random. But that being said, I enjoy the information you are sharing and I appreciate the way your videos flow. Thanks.

[@strictlybizness2013]

Hey man are you still in Vegas I'm interested in getting to pick your brain about the game of craps and dice setting. Holler back at me

[@warehousegeekrq]

Im in vegas u down lets go make money

[@koganinja777]

Thanx for the invite, but I no longer do meetups anymore.

[@jasminedfields]

warehousegeekrq the best tip I can give you on dice control is when you throw you dice, when they land, try to keep them no more than 12 inches apart from each other. usually that's a controlled throw. its hard to do but when you learn you will see a big improvement

[@jasminedfields]

***** lmao after I posted this comment I see your video where you said the samething