Did Civilization Begin in India?

Mainstream academia says that Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization. But did you know that there are some who argue that this is a false history, and that it was in South Asia that the world’s first urban society appeared? In this video, Dr. Miano takes a deep look into the ideas presented by Hindu teacher David Frawley, who argues that the world’s greatest ancient societies are cultural descendants of India. Are his claims in keeping with the facts?
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References and recommended reading:
David Frawley’s original talk:
• The Myth of Aryan Inva...
A summary of Frawley’s views by Frawley:
www.indoaryans.org/david-frawl...
www.scribd.com/document/84898...
More about Frawley:
rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_F...
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/h...
On Hindu conservatism and history:
frontline.thehindu.com/arts-a...
sci-hub.se/10.1163/156852712X...
DNA evidence:
www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/sci...
www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...
qz.com/india/1243436/aryan-mi...
www.indiatoday.in/magazine/co...
www.indiatoday.in/india/story...
www.sciencedaily.com/releases...
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
scroll.in/article/936872/two-...
An Introduction to Historical Linguistics for newbies:
• Intro to Historical Li...
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[@Spoogebro]

god if only we knew how to decipher the indus valley language. i feel like being able to read that would paint a much clearer picture of what beliefs came from india and which came from central asia

[@Spoogebro]

@@philipthomas3938 nice, a schizophrenic post!

[@cgtim3230]

He commits every sin he accuse frawley of, he presents no evidence until much later, he poisons the well by making accusations regarding motive. While frawley is pointing motives of colonialists which are not in question considering as they literally propagated the idea of white man's burden, he one accuse frwaley of being a Hindu supremacist without evidence and completely acquits western academia of Racism which is again laughable notion if you are even remotely aware of the writing produced in western universities in the field of "indology". He shows no quote where Frawley claims other people are inferior. He then misunderstands a point of Frawley by stating that applying western model of understanding to Indian texts is valid. This is a supremacist view point if there ever was one, every language and culture has it's own model and writing style by interpreting a people's writing through a different cultures yardstick the resulting understanding would be flawed. So I am sorry to say in your biased thinking you have completely missed the point he was raising. His point was western scholars interpret Indian texts through a western cultural lense rather than through an Indian cultural lense which is whom those texts were written for. Let me give you an example to make it simple, it would be like an Indian watching a westerner call his parents by their name and then make the assertion western culture is immoral and decrepit because there children disrespect their parents by calling them by their name. In India calling your parents by their name would be a gross insult but no so in the west. I hope that example helps you understand the point better. He also conveniently omit the part where there is no physical evidence for this alleged precursor language of the so called Indo-European language tree... Second you say Indo-European language theory has come under no "serious" challenge... this statement again ignores the reality that most academia is dominated by Westerners and by leftists who are ideological committed to these theories and in propagating narrative of white supremacy and oppression etc. Additionally if similarities between languages Indian language and another language means that they are the result of common ancestry then can you please he explain how Korean and Tamil both have so many similarities. Even the word for mother is the same. Tamil people look nothing like Koreans and are South Indian. Why is there no theory of Indo-Korean language tree? Or Indo-Korean people? Completely giving a pass to colonial origins of these theories which have almost no evidence backing them is the equivalent of giving a pass to Nazi race theories. Incidentally colonialists ended more lives than Nazis but since the skin color of the dead was different colonialists are not considered as bad as Nazis by westerners.

[@deepika2440]

Vedas are an attempt to decipher the pre-flood world by a post-flood civilization. But the Puranas are our Itihaasas/history. The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it

[@qcpl3547]

I had some interesting information about it as an interview of person from India. He had very different approach in deciphering it. What he said about it is definitely a possibility considering the Indian culture and traditions. I'll share if I am able locate it.

[@adityas.7193]

@@cgtim3230 👏👏👍

[@jaiku99]

It is very difficult to be objective and neutral when it comes to Indian history and civilization. The comments is a prime example. It feel that most western scholars and historians have not quite understood the complexities or nuances of Indian culture or history but on the other hand many in India appear to be too eager to come to the conclusion that ancient Indian civilization was something so great that they are willing to sacrifice objectivity and reason to reach that conclusion. That may be from an insecurity in coming to terms with the not so glorious recent past. In any case the result is that the world had not been able to appreciate the real achievements of the Vedic or Indic civilization

[@malayasthana3412]

We are Indian so no one will agree 😂

[@Alephkilo]

@@malayasthana3412 Well u call urself Malay, so why do u say “ We Indians”😅

[@malayasthana3412]

@@Alephkilo 😂haha Malay is also a mountain in Indian and I am from U.P. Ab Hindi me hi baat kru to hi manengi aap!😁

[@Alephkilo]

@@malayasthana3412 Ohh ok

[@malayasthana3412]

@@Alephkilo and Malay is a proper Hindi name . In vandematram song the 3rd word is Malay😉. How can u say that malay is not Indian?

[@nachoolo]

Short answer: No Long answer: Yes and no. Civilization started in different places on their own. Civilization started in India the same way it started in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Mesoamerica, the Andes, or the Yellow and Yangtze Rivers (plus other small regions where civilizations of smaller size appeared). To point to a single place and say that civilization started there would be a *very* erroneous thing to do.

[@PriceyTomato]

I think he referring to ancient history where one group excelled in recording things in writing and hence complex lifestyle emerged like trade, wars, politics etc. Humans were in every part of world around 15000 BCE (which we have evidence of from archaeological discoveries) it can go back to 20000 BCE years. But when it comes to recorded history, it only started when sumerians gave us the cuneiform. And phoenician the alphabets. Indo European languages. It doesn't matter how advanced were the civilisation. If they had poor documentation capacity which the Egyptians and sumerians excelled at. While IVC had complex societies living even larger than any civilisation at the time. It still was a large settlement and not a proper kingdom until the Chariot riding steppe people called "aryan" came. Which gave us the vedas and they were 1st orally transmitted for years before they were written into manuscripts. The Spitzer Manuscript is the oldest surviving philosophical manuscript in Sanskrit,and possibly the oldest Sanskrit manuscript of any type related to Buddhism and Hinduism discovered so far. The calibrated age by Carbon-14 technique is 130 CE (80-230 CE). So documentation came thousands of years late to Indian subcontinent and most of them a source from other civilisations. In that terms the African and middle Eastern civilisations were more advanced. In warfare and governance too.

[@dipakbose2677]

From where the people like Sumerians and Assyrians come? According to the Historians History of The World, they came from India, and that view was supported by the Curator of the British Museum in the 1930s.

[@askmeaboutfreewill5791]

It's utterly ridiculous to me that our model of history proposes that agriculture was invented independently on almost every continent over the last 10,000 years. We can simultaneously believe that humans have been "biologically identical" for the last 300,000. No changes in our biology, but for some reason, we collectively decide to settle down and make "civilisations" in the final 3 percent of our know history as biological humans? We're missing most of the picture

[@davidmiller9485]

@@dipakbose2677 are you really relying on someone from the 1930's for an answer? Cause that's just stupid. Sorry but it is.

[@kennethkilian1971]

@@PriceyTomato and u somehow completely neglected the fact that except stone, everything rots in the humid weather in India including manuscripts. So maybe the weather of the region has something to do with the missing manuscripts, add to that the fact the Muslim invaders burnt the library of Nalanda and other important libraries of the past so a lot of useful knowledge regarding IVC or indic civilization must have been lost. Your argument centers around "hey we don't know much about earliest Indian civilization, they couldn't have been that advanced even if they developed the first drainage and public sanitation systems in the world"

[@rustomkanishka]

The anti-intellectual movement in India is gaining strength and pseudo-historians are louder than actual historians and archeologists in this country. I really wish to thank you for your work of sticking to facts and good research and not leaning into flights of fancy or self-congratulating lies that our dear pseudo historians make. I hope more of my countrymen watch your videos with an open mind, and realize that no matter how comforting pseudoscience is, it's not worth paying attention to. Also that major publishing houses stop calling unqualified and untrained people "historians".

[@kathymiller8358]

Yours is a very uneducated comment and surely proves that you are a champion anti-intellectual and pseudo-historian. And the heart sign from 'World of Antiquity' certifies that he is no better.

[@Breakfast_of_Champions]

The anti-intellectual stuff is pretty much the modus operandi of the "western world" by now, corruption is in everything.

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

do you not respect their differing opinions?

[@eyuin5716]

@szymonbaranowski8184 If their opinions are not based on facts but rather politics then no I won’t.

[@ranand089]

Well we studied aryan invasion theory in cbse history book in late 2000s..still the whole Dravidian politics in India moves around that North Indian invaded India around 1500BC and pushed the Dravidian people to south who are presently South Indian people which is utter bullshit. So yes, Islamo-communist historians did propogate Brit’s divide and rule history to further their political agenda

[@regal2311]

About Vedas it's not a book. It's collection of knowledge passed on over generations and language evolves over generations.

[@badri1221]

States nothing special. Trust me. It's an ancient Indian version of high fantasy.

[@SudhirDudeja]

@@badri1221 it’s not fantasy, it state really nothing but it’s not fantasy, it’s just Sanskrit poems about nature or praise of nature and it also question about nature of universe,self, death and many more things. The whole upnishad just written to explain vedas but trust me it’s not easy to grasp what they have wrote and in what state they did, we are also so conditioned by our education, prejudice that’s it’s really become difficult to understand vedas. I will recommend to listen j Krishnamurti.

[@badri1221]

​@@SudhirDudeja So do many other works of fiction in the world. They all talk about these themes at length. The validity of The Vedas is for a different debate but they do not say anything concrete on matters of the subject in question here - the origins of a society we now call India. If these texts are anything to go by, they indicate that humans were created by god - completely flouting the theory of evolution or the Out-of-Africa migration theory, let alone Aryan migration which happened millions of years later.

[@SudhirDudeja]

@@badri1221 No Vedas doesn't say humans are created by god but infact opposite of it more true, Vedas questions how does universe or god come into existence, Vedas doesn't provide any definite answer on these but there is beautiful poem in vedas where it questioning, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasadiya_Sukta

[@prasunsingh7746]

@@badri1221 first read vedas urban illiterate , science, accountancy , rituals were their

[@gulzarali6370]

I would love to hear that civilization begins in india , but not at the expense of evidence against it. As always love from 🇮🇳

[@ArrowBast]

If you read old testament it will tell you civilization began in Canaan. Every nations formative myths claim that the gods blessed the nation's people with land and civilization. And then they tried to fit all their neighbors into a framework that centered around them. India is no exception .

[@carolusmalleus1243]

@@ArrowBast Nope, Old Testament has it that Civilisation began in Mesopotamia, so it agrees with scholarly consensus on that issue because if you read the book of Genesis, it says clearly that the Garden of Eden was watered by the rivers of Tigris and Euphrates, neither of which currently flow through Canaan but Mesopotamia. If you are an atheist attempting to say that all religions/religious texts are nonsense, that is your call but nowhere does it say in the book of Genesis that Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created was in Canaan, that is a strawman argument, so just clarifying that point for you.

[@ArrowBast]

@@carolusmalleus1243 The garden of Eden state is not a civilization - its before that. A state of bliss without the sinful nature of civilization - aka unfair trading practices, weights and measures, conceit , deceit , trickery and treachery. Humans were probably hunter gatherers and subsistence gardeners who lived off what God provided . I will agree that the best fit for Garden of Eden is somewhere in lower Iraq and Iranian Khuzistan . But you cannot deny that the Book of genesis tries to fit all humans as somehow descended from Noah , but on occasion some are attributed to descend from Adam . And then again you have some text that claims all are descended from 12 tribes of israel ( which is part of Canaan) . So the Book of Genesis is actually everywhere on this subject. Other religious texts are no different in attributing all humans originating within a self referential framework and describe themselves as the purest and the other folks as degraded ones owing to some violation of laws , oaths , taboos.

[@techsala2675]

@@carolusmalleus1243 Christian missionary spotted

[@carolusmalleus1243]

@@techsala2675 To your seemingly harmless rhetoric likely filled with hate, mockery and contempt in the background, I would say - of course, how can I not know my Bible well?. I read it everyday and I love my Jesus more than life!

[@bapatmanas]

Thank you for this! Much appreciated

[@alanmv01]

Thank you for this video. Here in India, it is difficult to form a rational opinion about these things. After Independence (may be even before), there has been a big push for Indian traditionalistic views. IMO, a lot of over-correction has occurred in our minds and it is difficult to disentangle fact from fiction. First video of yours I am watching, and I like the structured way of your response. Keep up the great work.

[@hyperzchannel8972]

The person behind this channel is certainly a White Supremacy apologist. he can't accept the fact that the type of History on which whole Academia of Western Scholarship is based upon is being Challenged and their lies are being exposed. Come out of you "whatever the west say is Best" thought process.

[@evanssamuelbiju4315]

Ah Malayali

[@jennyjames2673]

Are you from srm university?

[@understanding.everything]

He is talking bs India is the first civilization because we are in India not because we are superior because of geography and fertile land and resources and We are at the centre of the ancient world

[@johnnycashew9101]

Sometimes this guy disproves people's arguments I didn't even know existed

[@sankalpkpandey]

Let me help explain, lot of text in India is based on local dialects, not everything has come out of Sanskrit and Vedas are not alone source of truth. Sanskrit was one of the most sophisticated version of languages used then. There are lot of diverse dialect in Indian sub continent and origins of that are still to debate and not clear. History has been biased on cultures and predominance. Things should not be viewed as a country here, rather how cultures evolved with time in a particular region. Though texts have revealed that science, medicines, architecture and trade were more prominent in this region and had their own forms prior to imperialistic invasions and were not properly propagated to help west agenda to systematically showcase supremacy . This caused a huge damage and loss of knowledge and further enhancements on these skills.

[@michaelkp5390]

Rg veda may be the first knon written book of knoledge. But pure knoledge existed long before this book. Original knoledge is distorted and deviated in this book... So Rg veda can't be considered as true veda. People ignore this truth . K. P. Michael.

[@omthakkar7801]

@@michaelkp5390 on what basis do you say that Rg Veda is NOT a true veda? Also, you are correct that the knowledge of truth already existed. Actually that's the thing where you people make a mistake. As we are taught in Hinduism that Ved Vyasa only COMPILED & SEGREGATED the Vedas and not author them. That's a huge difference. It were the different male and female Rishis who got the knowledge and contributed to this event of noting it down.

[@MrHmm-cv6gs]

@@michaelkp5390 thing is vedas and other scripture before bring in written form were being passing through stories and narration I.e. vocal ways... Not in written form. It was latter complied by saints...

[@krishnanunnimadathil8142]

@@omthakkar7801 You may be right. There was a controversy around the time the Vedic knowledge was committed to paper by those who maintained this knowledge orally - or the Srauta traditionalists. They felt that committing it to paper would - to use a modern metaphor - expose their knowledge to copyright infringement. They preferred to carry the knowledge with them orally.

[@juliusjanardhanseptimus352]

@@krishnanunnimadathil8142 More likely it was written down but due to the Indian climate and age, the books became fragile and fell apart making the ancients realize that an oral tradition should survive.

[@rajkumarmeena5974]

so far the strongest point mentioned by video poster is genetic data which show significant mixture of stepp and iranian genes. I have seen AIT/migration theory videos and OIT videos. OIT proponent videos do raise some good questions such as sarswati river description found in the vedas, astronimical observations mentioned in the text which pose a questions on antiquity of the events. I will watch the next video to see if more explaination if provided by this channel.

[@Sush1111]

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[@rishabhadarsh5227]

Peoples tend to forget that north - west of India is ruled by Persians,parthian,Greeks & Central Asian for hundreds of years. So it's natural that you will find mix Genetics

[@sayemansari1881]

Great work the way you are dispelling misinformation in the comments answering point by point, subscribed!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks and welcome!

[@zetro6311]

@sayem Why don't you first start dispelling misinformation which is being given in your madarsas? Oh I forgot madarsa chaap graduates like you are not supposed to discuss logic and evidence. First go and stop the radicalisation being done in your community and then try to educate others. And also try to read history out of your holy book where you have got brainwashed from.

[@ramyafennell4615]

Thank you for this work...much appreciated and much needed in this topic so full of obfuscations.

[@Albetroz1415]

*His point about Marxist historians are TRUE, coming from a Indian citizen who went through the whole of school & university without reading a single page or even a mention of the Wadiyars of Mysore even though I was born in Mysore 🤷‍♂ while our history books were filled with countless pages on the Mughals who were basically Turko-Mongol invaders from Central Asia, that's like 600 years of history wiped out existence as if doesn't even matter 🤷‍♂

[@BaronBytes]

@@revan552 Well Leninism/Stalinism needed to destroy local history to establish the idea of a Slavic Communist Empire over a lot of sub cultures that had nationalistic ambitions.

[@someonejustsomeone1469]

@@BaronBytes that's doesn't mean Marx is to blame. Marx predicted, Lenin wanted it to happen.

[@chanakyadevil]

what is marxist about that? bro you have no idea what you are talkin about.

[@Albetroz1415]

@@chanakyadevil Cultural Marxism, go read Einstein.

[@keshavfulbrook6698]

35:25, cultural strength might refer to soft power and ability to "project" cultural forms in an influential way. No matter where I go in the world, I can find an American movie playing in a theater. That is incredible. This "projection power" of cultural forms can't be understated. The whole 'Indianization' of Southeast Asia occured due to the "cultural strength" of India. Societies who were newly entering a phase of agrarian-urbanization adopted the cultural forms and religion of its more established neighbor who already appeared to have "figured out" the challenges the SE Asian societies were facing.

[@thefurrybastard1964]

Enjoyed the three vidoes I have seen, so I have subscribed.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Awesome, thank you!

[@PoliticalFuturism]

Great video! Thanks for creating this!

[@scienceexplains302]

Just because a racist says “Group X never invented anything,” doesn’t mean Group X invented everything. (Basically, I’m commenting for the channel’s algorithm.)

[@chickenslayer2119]

Says the bunch of White people who call Sub Saharan Africa as stone age. You are not Greeks or Roman.

[@ravenxrgaming4672]

Just saying india is not a race.

[@pearcat08]

​@@ravenxrgaming4672 True, but irrelevant to the comment. The European historians of the past that Frawley refers to were motivated by racism to deny the possibility of technological and cultural advancement among the peoples of India. Ie saying India never invented anything. Frawley and people like him are now arguing that all civilization came from India. Ie India invented everything.

[@PraveenKumar-pr6el]

Great presentation❤️

[@nathandalton8243]

Love history. Your channel is an excellent source. I have a class each month where I let the students pick what topic they want to learn about. Your videos are on the list of acceptable topics. Keep up the good work!

[@alexandergerolimatos4682]

The students will learn government lies from this guy lol. He denies the water erosion at the sphinx and pretends there's no way ancient people used advanced tech to build shit we can't, because "The books say so". Don't be a follower, think for yourself and ask.

[@variablex6928]

Hahaha ..your students rely on this chap's videos? This sensationalist stuff? Oops! I wonder what's happening to their brains.

[@pearcat08]

​@@alexandergerolimatos4682 Hahahahahahahahahahahaha 😂

[@MossyMozart]

@@alexandergerolimatos4682 - One could the exact same thing about you.

[@doggod07]

OMG! I was just thinking about this very subject just before i checked my you-tubes.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

My timing seems to be right! :)

[@themaskedman5954]

@@WorldofAntiquity can you show evidence of migration of so called aryans?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@themaskedman5954 See the references in the description below the video.

[@themaskedman5954]

@@WorldofAntiquity articles from The hindu,pathetic article by kai friese of India today,scroll.in I had already read the idiotic article of kai friese I don't trust politically motivated leftist medias

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@themaskedman5954 There are plenty of scholarly articles cited. Do you need help finding them?

[@SgtPwnVids]

Thank you for taking on this topic. The disinfo is so hard to sift through.

[@GEOARKADIA]

why did you belive the next disinfo?

[@agold2125]

Thx for the point by point analysis. It’s a killer. I love it. I’m likin’ this.

[@Rudra-991]

Unfortunate is the fact that the library of Alexandria was burnt by Julius Caesar, destroying invaluable texts which would've helped us decipher vast tracts of history. Similarly, Khilaji invaders from Central Asia burned the Nalanda University in the Indian subcontinent at around 1200 AD, which was said to be the oldest University in the world, standing for centuries. Along with it was burnt the hundreds of thousands of leaf bound manuscripts and books on numerous topics ranging from astronomy, medicine and matter to warfare and spirituality. Just imagine the amount of knowledge these libraries held.

[@isaacmadhavan]

Exactly! Apparently, Nalanda burned for days. It pains me to contemplate our loss.

[@Noone-gz8li]

F

[@arkadeepchanda9524]

Yes

[@logohub1234]

Platonic academy is Oldest University not nalanda

[@srijansrivastava592]

@@logohub1234 lol kid! no Nalanda is the oldest! but not the surrviving one

[@PrashantKumar-zm3yq]

Thanks from India ❤️ Welcome to ur forgotten family Vasudhav kutumbakam

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Aw, thank you!

[@popuchii]

pls consider adding eng cc 🥺 rlly love your channel

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I want to. It's just that I have to do everything myself, and it takes time.

[@nikhilPUD01]

Thanks for this It's an interesting video to watch. Can we have an updated video on the indus valley civilization. There are some new evidence on this.

[@imranlodhi90]

Hi from Sweden! Love your channel. Could you please make a a more specific video about the Indus Civilisation? Thanks! Keep up the good work!

[@understanding.everything]

Asking someone who believes everything is invented by whites so 😂😂 he is biased

[@Great_Olaf5]

40:45 Not to say I agree with his argument, but I do have to point out that creating languages has become a hobby and source of gainful employment in the modern era. I don't think I'll ever get paid for it, but I've been working at constructing a language intermittently for a few years now, pretty much just because I feel like it.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I met the guy who created Dothraki.

[@Great_Olaf5]

@@WorldofAntiquity O.O He's practically my idol. His book got me into it in the first place!

[@kitjohnson2767]

Tolkien referred to language creation as his "secret vice." There are many far worse vices one could have.

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@Great_Olaf5 Tolkein invented several. {:-:-:}

[@SHDUStudios]

I love conlangs!

[@TerribleShmeltingAccident]

Really love your channel! Your knowledge is extensive, your style is entertaining, and your editing skills are impeccable. All combining to produce extremely consumable content! Thanks bud, keep up the hard work as your channel is destined to blow up!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thank you so much!

[@rudra957]

@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for making video on this topic🙂. Can you talk about the fact that Sanskrit literature of India talks about river Saraswati which existed before the migration of Aryans. Isn't it supporting the fact that Sanskrit originated in India? And what about the proofs found in Sinauli village of India?

[@biswsjitbordoloi4329]

@@rudra957 most of theories like Aryan invasion made by non Indian or western people are just theories based on similarity between Indians and west not on evidence based researches... So it's inconclusive.

[@jayakrishnan26]

@@rudra957 sinauli doesn't prove Aryans are indigenous to india..sanskrit came from Russia ukraine areas..

[@jayakrishnan26]

@Akhand Bharat comparative study of sanskrit and European languages like Latin, Greek, Russian, Lithuanian etc prove that sanskrit has a strong connection with them..there are numerous words in sanskrit that are cognate with European languages such as numbers 1-10, words for family members etc..so sankrit is a European language..

[@MrMikkyn]

I have a this discussion quite frequently with religious Hindus in India and they lean towards the conception of the Vedas as eternal, that Aryan Invasion Theory is debunked. And that Dravidians are not a real thing. Despite me believing in Vishnu, I don’t deny Aryan Migration theory which I considered different to the Aryan Invasion theory. I also don’t deny the evidence of linguistics, history, archeology, or comparative religion. I believe in seeking truth, as opposed to accepting things on the basis of a guru, authority or particular academic. I study the writings and decide based on critical thinking and experience.

[@jasonallen6918]

The religious beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism respectively have to an extent a root in the religious traditions of the Indo-Aryans who migrated from Central Asia into South Asia through the Khyber Pass in the Hindu Kush mountains within Afghanistan and Pakistan respectively and would first establish the Gandhara grave culture and would also later intermingle with native cultures of South Asia and ultimately give rise to the Indian or "Dharmic" religions I just mentioned previously but they still retain some elements of the ancient religious beliefs of the Indo-Aryans.

[@krishanumitra9211]

@David - Thanks for the video and the great research work you do. My question is, if the cradle of civilization is Mesopotamia then isn't that contradicting the Aryan movement to India through Central Asia theory? (I am sure Syria/Iraq are not called Central Asia) and scripting the Vedas almost immediately (1500 BCE) in India?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

No, it does not contradict, because cities appeared in Mesopotamia c. 3600 BCE.

[@birupakshapal2800]

39.26 it’s claimed by the narrator that Rig Veda has many non sanskritic names of plants, animals and rivers. As far As I know river names and mountains are most resistant to changes even after a new population and language takes over. I would like to know which pre sanskritic names of geographical features like rivers, mountains are mentioned in Rig Veda. Could the narrator also mention some pre sanskrtic names of the dasas as mentioned in Rigveda?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Hi Birupaksha. From what I understand, place names ending in -wari or-wali or -musa are not Sanskrit. Foreign tribes such as Kikata and Pramaganda are not Aryan. There are also a number of presanskritic farming words (tilvila, phala, pippala, khala, langala). More information can be found in this article, pp. 21-27. www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/EJVS-7-3.pdf

[@myquantumstate2668]

@@WorldofAntiquity These names you mentioned most likely are the eastern Munda languages where as Sanskrit or proto-Sanskrit originated in the kashmir and Indus region. You also see Dravidian language family in south. and Tibeto Burman language family was also there in far north and north east areas mainly in Himalayas and the foot himalayan areas. This argument is no good for India where as stated above, four language families co-existed. But there are NO non-Sanskrit words in the Indus Valley region or Saraswati Valley region or western Ganga/Yamuna valley. This goes against the argument that Sanskrit arrived and replaced local languages where as nothings non-sanskrit exists in the Sanskrit area.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@myquantumstate2668 How do you know where these names come from? I would like to see the linguistic evidence. We know of more than 500 languages that have gone extinct in the world. There were probably many more that we don't even know of. Just because a language is no longer spoken in an area, that doesn't mean no other language was ever spoken there. Languages get stamped out all the time.

[@myquantumstate2668]

@@WorldofAntiquity The loose argument of that many languages could have existed does not prove it. Thanks for making that point for yourself. The word Kikata come from far east and is the old name of Magadha, which was in present day Bihar state and usually identified with South Bihar. The Sanskrit or Rigvedic area is the Indus, kashmir and western Yamuna/Ganga Valley as I stated in my comment. The name Parmagandha is the king of Kikatas, whose name is connected with Magadha = Pra-maganda As stated in my original comment. The Sanskrit or proto-sanskrit area of Indus & Saraswati Valley region has NO non-sanskrit names for rivers or animals etc. I will give you the benefit of doubt as you just referred Witzel without confirming it first.

[@myquantumstate2668]

World of Antiquity and Pramaganda is not Sanskrit really? It is the name of king of kikatas which is another tribe. Only because the kikatas were fighting Sudhas so that make them non-Aryans as per Witzel. Well this seems like a scholarly work. Since when Arya is a race. The tribe already have names such as Sudhas, Purus, Anus, Drihyus and Kikata are also same like them. Just because Sudhas are more Noble men it doesn’t mean that their race is now “Noble” Arya is not a race. This is the biggest flaw in this whole thing to start with. About the other words Phala = profit or reward or fruit Pippala = pippal tree it’s 100m away from my house. Tilvila = fertile How come these are non-Sanskrit. I understand why Witzel has such a bad reputation among Indian scholars. We should give him a Noble prize and Witzel will call it “Arya” prize and may reject it because he is not aryan race. I am just using Witzel’s logic though. 😅😁

[@bok2bok333]

I was always interested in Oppenheimer quoting ancient Sanskrit relating it to the invention and use of the atom bomb that he was involved in. Are you able to talk about these texts....how old they really are and the translated meaning. Is there anything to what he was quoting or is it just a point he was trying to make/get across about how dangerous these weapons are?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I hadn't heard about this, so I don't know what texts he was quoting. There are quite a lot of Sanskrit texts, written over a long period of time.

[@bok2bok333]

@@WorldofAntiquity FYI As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”. It is, perhaps, the most well-known line from the Bhagavad-Gita, but also the most misunderstood."

[@alvanalvino]

These weapons were nuclear weapons because the ancient Indians documented nuclear fallouts and radiation. Similar to what has happened in our recent nuclear history.

[@philipthomas3938]

Mohenjo daro an irradiated ruin with ground turned into glass intense heat etc etc ancient nuclear wars mainstream academia does everything it can to hide

[@ranjithperimpulavil2950]

Oppenheimer quoted some lines from Bhagawat Gita

[@Crush0819]

I’m glad I found this channel

[@harshalhayatnagarkar9199]

I liked the video. Gobekli Tepe has informed us that answering such questions is harder than anytime before. I think that - 1. We need to agree about definition of civilization (which itself is incredibly hard e.g. Gobekli Tepe), 2. By rejecting siloed practice, we must become an interdisciplinary community which is comfortable with vocabulary of archaeology, linguistics, genetics, geology, palaeoclimatology, paleoastronomy, etc, 3. Develop computational methods & tools (e.g. Seshat), 4. Do all of this really well and really fast.

[@SWOTHDRA]

Gobekli tepe showed us that oir civilisation is way older then expected and I strongly believe the origins lie in Asia, china, India, the oldest cultures in this world

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

ofc free, decentralised and not funded by anyone community any time I see "we need" I hear a centralist trying to force some vision of his own

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

​@@SWOTHDRAand so has lots of sources not one and in many cases converged as people moved sometimes and culture diffused slowly there were lionman cults in Europe 50000 years ago it was kind of civilization

[@Sanjay-gx2gd]

I have one comment about the migration map you show at 16-17 min. In the paper it says path taken to migrate into India is not clear. Why? - We are already told that "Sarasvati has also been identified with the Helmand or Haraxvati river in southern Afghanistan, the name of which may have been reused in its Sanskrit form as the name of the Ghaggar-Hakra river, after the Vedic tribes moved to the Punjab. To be consistent is not necessary to provide Genetic evidence along the same path. Or it is ok to say linguistic migrations happen thru Afghanistan and Genetic migration happened thru SWAT valley. Linguists claim that the word like Bija(seed) is picked up in BMAC complex by migrating Aryans. No genetic evidence in BMAC that they passed thru it? (Paper says migrations bypassed it). And once Aryans reached India, Indians started to use farming related substrate Aryan words by abandoning earlier words? Which model explains this?

[@404Dannyboy]

Linguistic and genetic movement are not identical in most cases. People learn languages that are different from what they may consider their ethnic original language all of the time.

[@-rate6326]

peoples don't even know who aryans are

[@Sanjay-gx2gd]

@@404Dannyboy I did not get what do you mean. it may happen does not mean it has happened. The whole premises is IE language was introduced in India thru large scale population movement into India. That is the reason- Earliest Indian texts are dated to match the movement of people. If you are proposing IVC people learnt new language (for trade may be) on their own - then at least dating of Vedic texts has to be adjusted accordingly. And researchers acknowledge there is no concrete proof yet. Here is quote from Vagheesh M. Narasimhan paper additional material - Modern Indian Cline is a mixture between a point on the Indus Periphery Cline (the ASI) and a ghost population that once existed on the Steppe Cline, which we haven’t directly sampled but which we hypothesize existed in the Late Bronze Age and Iron Age in northwestern South Asia (but not in the Swat Valley which is the only place that we have extensively sampled). We predict that individuals from this population will be found in future ancient DNA studies.

[@isaacmadhavan]

@@404Dannyboy Individual persons might learn primarily due to curiosity and secondarily due to their job. However, most common people don't learn new languages or adopt new words unless circumstances force/encourage them to.

[@sayansecular8604]

The question is why the invasion theory at 1st proposed?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

That’s an important question for late 19th - early 20th century history, but not for ancient history.

[@JonnoPlays]

KZbin is recommending me your old videos and I'm good with that 👌 💯 🍿 👀

[@asirvathamdevasahayam9586]

Pls also add video about language comparison between Tamil and Sanskrit. Their possible origin, literary warehouse, the main gist and underlying themes in the vedas and Tamil literature like Thirukural etc. Many thanks for your great efforts

[@texanfilms]

Great analysis.

[@BalvinderSingh-uh3my]

Another excellent video, I am fast going through all your videos thanks.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Glad you like them!

[@joanhuffman2166]

Based on the fact that the most closely related wild relatives of domesticated plants are in the fertile crescent, I'm thinking that city living is more likely to have started in the fertile crescent.

[@Cryingwhore]

This channel is highly underrated

[@ChristopherMitchell1]

Thanks for the time you spend to make history fascinating

[@WorldofAntiquity]

My pleasure!

[@eliotanderson6554]

@@WorldofAntiquity ur video seems completely trash 🗑 😒. Why does people see everything as black and white. Ur entire topic talks about language and a right wing idiot no mention of detailed city evidence of carbon dating delta values. Ur sub shows ur knowledge Regarding indias influence in western culture its better I start a channel to explain things to u dear. Now I have exams write. Sorry to bother u.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@eliotanderson6554 What carbon dating delta values are you speaking of?

[@eliotanderson6554]

@@WorldofAntiquity of the Indus and Mesopotamian cities compare most of cities most are around 3000-3700 bce

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@eliotanderson6554 They weren't cities at that time. Only towns and villages.

[@ishanbajpai6940]

17:43 You would've known that it was an Indian archeological team that FOUND THE EVIDENCE which was credited to British archeologist. European didn't sought it out.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

British and Indian archaeologists both sought out this evidence eagerly.

[@AK-od3rc]

@@WorldofAntiquity you know india is weird all indians are not Hindus and they hate Hindus that much that they can change their fathers rather than accepting what's truth

[@anitahiawatha6060]

Like I said a fake white christian expert.

[@sonups8483]

@@WorldofAntiquity bro why is it so hard to find the actual truth sitting here in india 😥how do i know what is the truth of aryan migration i dont mind whether it happened or not considering how much we have mixed even during colonial period and after world war globalization we r all one family. also btw isnt it possible that the cities in both sumeria and indus valley be older than what they really are. like they have been rebuilded over time and artifacts were broken since its clay? since egypt sumer and indus valley have almost same range of carbon dating almost between 5000-5700 years old and have neolithic site as old as 10000 years (except egypt maybe we may discover some after) isnt it possible that someone among the 3 started with small settlement and neolithic people in other 2 places adopted these things in few years maybe like 100 years or so and then they gradually growing sharing technology with each other.

[@jenkijazbeat]

@@sonups8483 ceux du ciel descendu vers la terre ont aidé l'humanité à plusieurs endroits ! Toutes les civilisations antiques parlent des même ""dieux "" qui n'en sont pas! En vérité !

[@thomasbyg4795]

Where can I find a geography book with map overlays of the same areas showing evolutions through time including names of regions?

[@riscnx]

Do you really think if he knew, his sources would be as stupid as News article written by communists like Tony Joseph? There is no such book. And till date the study on evolution is very vague. For starters, These ancient historians are obsessed with stone structures! Common sense why would human being build first cities with complicated stone structures in middle of desert? Then they live with assumption, that humans must be burring their dead bodies! Daa, Indians burn bodies, since as long as we can tell.

[@riscnx]

In fact the estimation of human population over the history ignore many major things. Like, How many epidemics have occurred, how many wars may have happened... Did only HomoSepian population matter? Which if human like species were civilised enough. I understand how science works, & that's the right way. But the reality is these histories & archaeologist make too many assumptions. They may do it right in their way, but common people don't understand it & just pick fragment of what suites them.

[@dara_1989]

39:00 could we have some none sanskrit rig vedic vocab examples plzzz

[@bernietaylor728]

Interesting presentation. The topic is new to me.

[@PraveenJose18551]

I appreciate your patience in going through a responding most of these comments. It takes a dedicated amount of effort to sit down and rigorously engage with pseudo-science/history.

[@GEOARKADIA]

White racist worldview is the real pseudo-science

[@user-xn2hc5it8q]

@@GEOARKADIA Please provide any source if you think their narrative is false or pseudoscience. I am an Indian and Sanskrit being completely indigenous is wrong. There is a mother language Proto Indo Iranian which gave birth to Vedic Sanskrit in India and Avestan in Persia. Your claim of sanskrit being indigenous doesn't explain how persian and indian languages are similar.

[@parveenchahal1]

@@user-xn2hc5it8q the area which is called Satpsindhu Himalayas is the place from where indigenous Sanskrit originated. The Parisian area is attached to it so it's very natural that language and content of Jindavesta and Rigveda shares some similarities as they both shares the same or adjacent Historical area from where's they both originated. So in overall the proto indo Iranian language was indigenous and so is the case in Sanskrit and Parisian languages separately , both are indigenous languages more or less getting affected by each-other and other different languages in the course of history.

[@dewansharma658]

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[@aryan.kapoor]

@@user-xn2hc5it8q kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5PWqpxqr757hpI

[@vipulpaliwal13]

The issue with the society is that pseudoscience (glamour) travels faster than reality.. Keep going friend 🙏

[@LS-ql4wp]

Aryan invasion theory was science whe n nehru ji wrote -discovery of India. I think truth travels slower than lies

[@MossyMozart]

@@LS-ql4wp - "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on", Mark Twain, published in "Standard player monthly", 1918, Volumes 3-4, Standard Pneumatic Action Co.

[@ryanvalicek7291]

Man I was hoping for something on Dwarka... You nevertheless made an excellent case as usual! Ever consider a law career back in the day?

[@deepika2440]

Look up Atlantis and Jambudweepa's descriptions, concentric seas, 7 islands, 9 kingdoms, mountains on the north, oblong plain in the south surrounded by two coastal mountains in the east and west and even the length and breadth of the central island! India used to be called Jambudweep/berry island! But how can India be an island? Unless sea level was at least 200m higher, which apparently it was according to Exxon Petroleum company's past sea level calculations! Now go check out Indian peninsular mountains and plateaus & river valleys. Plato's twins Atlas and Gadeirus or was that Arun and Gadura? Gadura did launch a campaign upto Euro!

[@deepika2440]

The flood happened 15k bp during the younger dryas event according to star positions in Manu's story. After the flood, There were the snakes/nagas & there were the eagles/gaduras who although shared same paternal ancestry were the dasas(slaves) of the Nagas. Then they revolted and conquered the four directions (even upto eastern euro) with their 2 headed eagle emblem which became the emblem of Sri Vishnu who was the patron lord of the snakes and their ancestor. Which is why you find that emblem from Egypt to sumer, iran to euro. Many North Indian people like the Jats claim Naga lineage, while the south Indian kingdoms have the gandabarunda, two headed eagle emblem. They have a broad-er nose base meeting into a sharp and low beak like end and close-r set eyes like a bird of prey. Now you know why the euros who stumbled on it in India did everything to hide/distort it

[@logical1976]

@ArmanAditya Basu if history is very old then it becomes mythology. People in the next 1000 years will not believe that there is a language called sanskrit.

[@GroovyStyleUnbox]

@ArmanAditya Basu mythology isn't history, so how came they discovered Dwarika under sea?

[@utubetruthteller]

Yes career in law would be great because in this profession u must be a best liar 😆

[@um-vl6on]

wow I wanna know more about those non-saskritic names in vedas. that's new to me. could you or someone give me a link?

[@mrbabyears]

What do you think about the ancient structures under water around India, Cuba, Japan and other areas around the world.

[@el_iron_duke]

Considering there are non sanskrit names mentioned in the Vedas, is it possible to draw similarities from them and try to decipher the Indus Valley Script?

[@angelicareyes7106]

Hello , can i use your video to my channel because it is so full of information . Thankyou very much .

[@WorldofAntiquity]

You can show clips, and you can talk about it.

[@stillpaulk6864]

I'm so glad I found you. Thankyou for being a voice for the university educated. It really helped me beat back all my own TV education. You really helped me see all of the sides.

[@AJJYTHEGREAT]

The issue with these times are that we get impressed with the most articulate person rather than the most knowledgeable one. Look around,its the same everywhere

[@somefuckstolemynick]

@@AJJYTHEGREAT that’s not an issue with “these times” though, it’s always been like that.

[@adammead9287]

How amazing is it that when I try to find videos on ancient India, youtube recommends videos like this first. It seems like all of the channels with the most funding and that are favored with the algorithm all have the same view. How interesting!! Especially considering there are cities in the Indus valley much older than Uruk. The city of Bhirrana for example is thousands of years older than Uruk. The bias in this video is insane and your condescending tone shows what a real hit piece this is. How interesting is it that all of these videos by people like you all have one thing in common. They want to prove that ancient Mesopotamia was the oldest civilization. That's the real conspiracy. All of Frawley's views are quite logical. Especially that all humans decsended from Manu. It's quite bone chilling to read Roman historian Tacitus's accounts of the Germanic tribes in his book "Germania" when he reports that the Germans claimed they descended from "Manus."

[@WorldofAntiquity]

You seem to be confused about when a settlement is founded and when it becomes a city.

[@adammead9287]

@@WorldofAntiquity Early Mature Harappan period of Bhirrana started at around 4500 BCE. This is when archeologists say this emerged as a city. So this pre dates your own claim of Uruk emerging as the first urban development in 3700 BCE. If you want to go down the settlement route we can do that too, since Bhirrana as a settlement is probably at least 2 thousand years older than Uruk in that respect as well

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@adammead9287 Bhiranna urbanized in the Mature phase, around 2600 BCE.

[@nimeshkachhela5086]

I m Indian. And agrees with your video. Lots of lost knowledge.. And instead of filling the gaps in knowledge everyone is using these gaps to fulfill their agenda ... I want who were indigenous people of Indian main land before Aryan migration. Where did they come from. I didn't find any authentic literature on it .. Can you guide.. Please 🙏 Thank you for great videos.. Humbled by your efforts

[@MossyMozart]

@nimeshkachhela5086 - There are links in the description section - under the video window to the left. There is a logical fallacy many Christians in the USA use when there is an as yet scientific unknown, or they don't like the science that applies, called "God of the Gaps" that I think applies to what you are saying.

[@blueishgreen76]

He's probably using "Marxist" as a general (pejorative) term for people that ascribe to the view popularized by Marija Gimbutas that the Kurgan /PIEs were a violent patriarchal culture that invaded or subordinated what were peaceful, egalitarian cultures. My understanding is that this view was embraced by some Marxists because it lined up well with their ideological beliefs about the state of nature and ideal classles societies. Of course this "Marxist" viewpoint doesn't have to be remotely true for the migration theory to be true, so it comes across as invoking guilt be association.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Ah, interesting. Thank you for the background!

[@AbhayPeshin]

@@WorldofAntiquity this opinion is gold. It's exactly like this in Indian universities.

[@utathyamanna6435]

@@WorldofAntiquity I think that by Marxist he specifically means historians like Thapar, D. N Jha and S Irfan Habib The Indian Marxist movement had Heavy links with the pan Islamic movement of the late 1910s , they were never true Marxists ,in the sense that they were not atheists/religiously neutral but only wanted to ensure Russian support for the ottomans For example one of the earliest of these pseudo Marxists, Maulana Hasrat Mohani justified killing infidels as jihad in the moplah massacre (Gandhi supported such attrocities ) The(pseudo) Marxist movement in India never grew out of its Islamist roots , some of these people were active players in the partition of India And when individuals with such minsters were appointed as historians and history curriculum guides , they started to mess things up To justify Islamic iconoclasm they latched on to the Aryan invasion hypothesis, you of course mentioned in the video that the Aryan invasion hypothesis is discarded, rather there was coexistence , the reason this theory gained traction in the first place as I've learnt from reading "the mythical massacre at mohenjodaro "by George F Dales is that historians are obsessed with flashy climatic endings, in this case they made up theories of violence where there wasn't any violence These historians also used quasi mythological texts like divyadana and rajtarangini and non contemporary texts like huen tsang to propagate myths of Hindu - Buddhist violence in ancient India, Completely ignoring contemporary archaeological evidence and contemporary writers like song yun and dharmaswamin, who unlike huen tsang didn't write hearsay accounts (Huen tsang wrote hearsay accounts of sashanka and mihirakula persecuting Buddhists while song yun actually visited mihirakula, Huen tsang wrote that Mihirakula was a shaivite, this account is used by historians like Jha to prove that Hindus killed Buddhists, but Song yun wrote that Mihirkula was an atheist ) You take a look at modern india you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about , the situation is horrible, liberals would wish merry Christmas to Christians and Eid Mubarak to Muslims, but post obscene remarks and pictures especially of Hindu goddesses, a far left group even distributed pamphlets calling Durga a prostitute,then there's a right wing response to it equally abhorrent, screaming slogans of Hindu Gods in front of Muslim processions ，something similar occurs in historiography the rule of Delhi sultanate and the Mughal empire is glorified, while fake accounts are used to throw mud at ancient Indian history , in reaction to this there's people like David Frawley who're absolutely moronic as well What I mean to say is Indian historiography is stuck in a deadlock between right wing morons who believe that there was internet in Mahabharata era, and anti Hindu Islamists masquerading as communists,

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@utathyamanna6435 You know more about the political situation that I do, but of the three scholars you mention, only Habib is a Marxist historian and identifies as a Marxist. Romila Thapar was instrumental in the dismantling of the Aryan Invasion Theory. Your other accusations, such as that "these historians also used quasi mythological texts" carry no names, so I have no idea who you are referring to, but I get the impression you are lumping everyone together.

[@t-t8961]

@@WorldofAntiquity romila thapar said the yudhister of mahabharat left his throne by inspiring from ashoka. timeline doesn't match . how is this possible?

[@saliksayyar9793]

Your map of British India is inaccurate because it omits over 500 plus princely states in South Asia.

[@tuberobotto]

Every civilization, every culture, every language is an orphan. The crucial thing to find out is "when and where" it happened, eventually the "how's and the why's" will sort themselves after. The most important rule to observe in order to achieve this is to throw out all forms of biases and prejudices, as well as hubris and ego. Let adults be adults.

[@joqqy8497]

The takeaway is, go wherever the evidence leads, no matter how problematic or unproblematic it is for you.

[@spacescout1457]

15:25 actually what he said is right to understand that one must look from British point of view. Starting from Thomas Babington Macaulays point of view of changing Indian education and similarly boosting divide and rule and till this day that thing has not changed in India and rest of world. Why we still study North up-ward and south downward...

[@spacescout1457]

The all Indian have same DNA wether they are from north and south

[@lolololllll]

@@spacescout1457 there’s more genetic diversity in India than any other place other than Africa where humans came into existence (though this might not be true anymore with the recent colonialism)

[@emani2704]

@@spacescout1457 Yes, Most of them have common DNA but also there is diversity in DNA which little different in appearance.

[@starship3812]

Macaulay is the man who destroyed india more than anyone. Becz he takes out indianess from indians.

[@lolololllll]

@@starship3812 not really, only those who are stuck in the past care about that stuff.

[@ghostagee5232]

Just because views are abandoned does not mean we don't talk about them or the damage they may have caused. They remain secondary sources.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

That's true.

[@mr.marquez1257]

The more I watch your videos, the more I feel like you are an apologist for the nonsense of years past, especially since defending the views and the prejudices of past historians and anthropologists only serves to fuel them and their flaws even further. To say that overall historians have completed shifted their thinking in the main regarding anthroplogical study is to ignore the fact that we still talk about these ideas and couch them in language like "race" et. al, rather than changing the narrative and rather than representing a true paradigm shift in the thinking about antiquity.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Nonsense of years past? I make considerable effort to make sure the information I provide is up to date. And I don't know where you are getting the impression that historians and scientists still use words like "race," but that certainly is not the case.

[@Tareltonlives]

"A single polity is what spreads languages!" (Laughs in Koine) It's interesting that there were parallel developments in India and Greece in both archaic and classical periods: in both cases, you have city states with various subcultures united by a common cultural and economic network, worshiping the same Gods to different capacities, speaking the same language.

[@philipthomas3938]

So the same people ruling both societies ... Buddha was a fair hair and skin blue eyed prince of a nobility sharing those features 2500 years ago despite the popularized versions of relatively recent times... just as the Greeks were of the same fair physical makeup

[@chanakya8149]

@@philipthomas3938 Bs, no where in indian, Chinese etc texts say he was blue eyed or blonde. How shameless you have to be to lay claim on someone's else culture as yours. Typical white supremacists.

[@rahulpaturkar1425]

No way, Indian antiquity goes further far back . Indians saw Greeks and Romans starting building in front of their eyes..

[@cgtim3230]

@@rahulpaturkar1425 how? were they using the most powerful binoculars ever invented?.... Indians were building cities as far back as 3500 years even this biased youtuber doesnt dispute that but you cant accept it why? Hate Hinduism that much or hate all of India?

[@cgtim3230]

Yeah who rules has no effect on the spread of language.. tell me again why English is the most spoken language in the world?... it has nothing to do with British being most successful colonial power? How many people today speak Welsh or even Scottish... I get that you are biased and want to reject everything frawley says but really some using commonsense would be good...

[@texanfilms]

Thank you so much for doing this so thoughtfully.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

My pleasure!

[@rjrastapopoulos1595]

There are many theories regarding the collapse of the IVC. I recently read about one of them. It said that the civilisation was dependant on another river apart from Indus which was rain fed and it dried up because of a gradual change in rainfall patterns. In other words, climate change was blamed to be responsible for the slow death of the big urban centres of the IVC. It said that no evidence has been found regarding a large scale military invasion around 2000-1500 BCE. Also to account for the extremely mixed genetic makeup of modern Indians, it said that that was probably the result of more peaceful mixing of cultures and migrations from West and Central Asia due to the IVC's mercantile culture. It is quite plausible as there have been several instances of migrations from those parts even during peace times for thousands of years after that. Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushans, Huns, Arabs, Turks, Mongols. Even the Ahom kings, who ruled most of northeastern India had their origins in southern China. So even though no evidence has been found to support the AIT, it is still a bit rich to assume that the Indian civilization is pure and has had no outside influence.

[@sandy29tu]

No outside influence!!!!???? Really!!!! India is the most culturally mixed Culture on earth. I mean not by modern time. There are some major cultural branch Austronoid, Dravidian, Vedic, Santhalese, various hill tribes, Different eastern indian culture. This region was historically rich & very fertile. So many many invasion & migration throughout history from Aryan Greeks muslims central asian to latest european.

[@rjrastapopoulos1595]

@@sandy29tu I think you should read my comment properly and, more importantly, slowly this time. Especially the last sentence.

[@sandy29tu]

@@rjrastapopoulos1595 Yes the last one. Pure & no outside influence!! If you come to contact with another culture specially ruling class, there will be huge influence. See British influence in India.

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

bullshit

[@countbooga6997]

​@@rjrastapopoulos1595AIT? you mean Aryan MIGRATION theory? Genetics have 100% verified that as a fact. Its indisputable at this point

[@mirzaabdulmoeed9168]

I commend your usage of the term South Asia. Since Harrappa was centered in Pakistan, around the Indus River, it would create alot of confusion and potential appropriation if you used the word India for it.

[@mirzaabdulmoeed9168]

@Himanshu Dwivedi Countries keep changing shapes, friend. All of Europe was also part of German Empire, and all of India was also under Muslim rule for a lot of years. So South Asia is very correct here considering India and Pakistan both did not exist before 1947.

[@mirzaabdulmoeed9168]

@Himanshu Dwivedi The academia has consensus that it wasn't the case. The Pashupati seal does not represent that. But that's besides the point. Even if the Ancient Pakistanis were Hindus (They were Buddhist for the most part), that still makes doesn't make that much of a difference.

[@shehzadadarashikoh9463]

@@mirzaabdulmoeed9168 it doesn't matter buddist or hindu both are indian Religions. Pakistan is part of subcontinent and shares history with India. Hindus , Buddhist , Dravidians lived there

[@mirzaabdulmoeed9168]

@@shehzadadarashikoh9463 Who lives there now? And no, Dravids did not live here. They're genetically different too.

[@shehzadadarashikoh9463]

@@mirzaabdulmoeed9168 indus valley civilization was dravidian civilization. Dravidians are native south Asians. Still dravidian Language like brahui spoken in Baluchistan. Majority of scholars said that indus valley civilization was most likely dravidian. It doesn't matter who lives now because we are talking about ancient history.

[@harishthethird]

Would love if you would just make a video laying out your position and take on the Aryan invasion rather than packing it in within a response video :)

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I probably will at some point.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@Antares And how do you know this?

[@preethishetty6179]

@@WorldofAntiquity because aryan was not an race . Where is the proof to claim it was one ? Arya in Sanskrit means noble personality . It was basically used to address a highly ethical person or one that has some stature in society .

[@preethishetty6179]

@@WorldofAntiquity you should check on some of the valid researchers work rather then a religious person like David . I would suggest you look up for modern research like Nilesh oak , who do muti -level study . Like astrological , astronomical, archeological and scriptural evidence is looked up for before putting forward his work

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@preethishetty6179 "scriptural evidence" generally isn't actually evidence. Like, at all.

[@Dick_Interritus]

My only question is where can I get "Soma"?

[@RajeshKumar-qy7ij]

You need to go to a planet in taurus constellation located in pleadis with spaceship There you will find aliens that look like humans and Thier related to us genetically There you need to request the king of pleadis named purandar that you need soma He will not give u lol

[@pratikaghor987]

Glad to see all your videos adhering to the scientific method. I am an applied mathematician from India and I love history, but it is saddening to see pseudo-rationalist ideas spread. At least someone's there to question them! Thanks for your videos.

[@smritibajgain6914]

Can we please say “ South Asia “ instead of India ? India is only. one country out of seven located in the continent.

[@whym6438]

As someone who studied linguistics, even just as an undergrad, the way Frawley talks about languages is full of value judgements, e.g. Sanskrit is "more sophisticated" than European languages, that no academic linguist would make. Oh, and if by "more sophisticated", he means that it has more complex inflectional morphology than most European languages, then I would like to introduce him to the modern, non-Indo-European languages of Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian and Basque, all of which are "more sophisticated" than Sanskrit by that measure.

[@soorajvasu2714]

First, its not Sanskrit , its samskrtam. Next, Do you have any knowledge about samskrtam? If so tell me in what way the above languages are more sophisticated than samskrtam?

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@soorajvasu2714 um, they explained what they meant clearly, in that the languages they listed were more sophisticated, meaning having a more complex morphology, than Sanskrit. Oh, sorry, samskrtam... 🙄

[@zitools]

the indo-European languages and the cultures that spoke them created civilizations that were more sophisticated, more successful, and more widespread than the other languages you mentioned. these are just facts, and in no way am I implying anything but that they are different. or that these differences were always this way in the past or will be in the future. I'm also not sure if civilization was started in one place and spread out, or sprang up independently in various places at various times. but the Indian civilization was one of the greatest, first or otherwise. I have a feeling that civilization, or at least human developments to lead to civilizations will be found to be much older than I was taught at the end of the 20th century. there are songs that sing of ancient times, when bread was first invented, back in the early sumerian times.

[@chickenslayer2119]

@@MaryAnnNytowl Sanskrit has the most well defined grammar and the most wide variety of words. Do not compare some Euro languages as similar to Sanskrit. Cope. Mud House Dwellers.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@chickenslayer2119 well, "Chicken Slayer," I don't know what to tell you other than the definition of "well-defined" doesn't really come into play with language. _Things_ can be well-defined, _people_ can be well-defined, _places_ can be well-defined, but a language? Not really. It's not a _definable_ noun, except for the definition of the word language, itself, as basically being a verbal or written tool one uses to communicate ideas and concepts.

[@alok_singh]

You are very hard on Dravid Frawley. Please go through the out of India theory based on linguistics and archaeology. Rig Veda is oldest book of not Hindu but for the world also.

[@OkusTenet]

Seems like until Indus Script is deciphered everything is hypothesis except DNA/genetic studies. We'll still need more clarification on Linguistics and Archeological evidence to come to a conclusion.

[@aashishsingh6295]

about the rig veda.....in rig veda it is discussing about the saraswati river. which is disappear around 6000 years old.

[@arranwalker2647]

I like your explanation of DNA of migration individuals it would be nice if you could do a complete work of all the migrations of all the civilizations how they coordinate with each other only a historian would be able to map all this correlation out and piece of a puzzles together of the new data of the r1a and other genetic traits.

[@Sush1111]

Here is a talk that maps maternal DNA and maps why Paternal DNA might not be only reason. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5PWqpxqr757hpI

[@rustomkanishka]

For that we'd have to test a lot more people. It's not too affordable for most citizens as of now. As more testing centers open up, it would become cheaper and hence more people will be able to access it. As far as privacy goes, I'm not too comfortable with the government having access to it.

[@pasupathykrishnan5949]

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[@bhootnathbaba]

Would request you to make a video on the myth of king aurthor

[@1994arup]

Do you know all Indic kings... Faltu communist

[@saratmodugu2721]

Myth? He was most likely a small general or warlord fighting the english

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@saratmodugu2721 there is much myth built up around the character of King Arthur, even if he may have existed at one time.

[@saratmodugu2721]

@@MaryAnnNytowl again, small general fighting the English. Maybe Roman, maybe Celtic, maybe sarmatian who knows

[@paramvir27]

This is basically a reaction video - similar to other videos posted on this channel. There is genre for such videos and are termed as I put it as a reaction to original content and should be marked as such.

[@cmcb102]

Shoutout to Sonny Webster of team GB weightlifting at 35:22 lol

[@phanikishan8432]

Also, it is not surprisinG how ancient hindu literature is seen as strictly reliGious by western historians. There is a lot of GeoGraphical study involved in the vedas and it is verified and accurate.

[@lakshay9975]

They can't digest the truth that India was great. India was also known as Vedabhoomi ( Land of knowledge). Chinese traveller Hiuen Tsang called India as In-Tu means moon. Leonard Bloomfield regarded Sanskrit as the Linguistic achievement of Indians. These westerners distorted our history and brainwashed our people. They not only looted wealth but looted our knowledge also. That's why I hate westerners.

[@amrtadas5539]

@@lakshay9975 I totally agree with u that westerners not only colonized Bharata but also hijacked and distorted its history and legacy... they blame on natives for all the crimes of invaders... but don't think hate westerners is the solution... it's against principle of akrodha in Veda and not all westerners are against vedic hindu heritage... myself a westerner that is 100%grate to all India and Hindus gave me I would never be able to repay it back... and I try my best to spread right information about it in Brazil my nation at same time spread Vedic traditions here bringing Gurudev... Yoga Ayurveda Jyotish... Itihas Purana...

[@JPVillalobos27]

Not only geographic, there’s accurate astronomical references. This guy’s bias is obvious. So many westerners write on Ancient India and have never even actually been there. That’s crazy!

[@JPVillalobos27]

@@lakshay9975 Check our Raj Vedam’s lectures on the Sangam channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHjcm6mvjap-msU.

[@tychocollapse]

Cultural supremacy is the idea that your culture is greater than others.

[@paulhenryharvey8531]

I have come across similar examples of persons that have failed to reach an audience within the culture into which they were born and brought up. Along with their bruised ego and powerful intellect they introduce themselves to a more receptive and open minded public. The subject matter isn't really important, not as important as his opinion being taken serious, the fact that those opinions can cause offence to others who have invested a life in a career which just happens to conform to the mainstream, mainly because they're backed up by facts built on facts. But I suppose they're simply being lazy they have no intention of searching for knowledge and bringing a clearer understanding to a subject. They just aren't creative enough, inventive enough, what's needed is a new perspective, someone who has an unprecedented accumulation of knowledge on the history of these people. We are lucky he's willing to help.

[@VijayKumarIITSrExecutive]

Were Mughals and British of Indian origin? This may be the case as per OIT (Out of India Theory). This is the ancient migration path of Vedic Hindus: Ahimsak civilized Vedic Hindu from India --> Central Asia (yamnaya, sintashta, Andronovo who were nomadic and violent) + Afghanistan + Iran --> Europe + England. This entire Vedic land was "Bharata". Then logic says these very same people came back and ruled India as Mughals and English! So Indians came back to rule themselves?🤔 Prithvi gol hai bhai, sab moh maya hai!

[@dara_1989]

5:20 smaller frame with d timer ... looks very spooky can't u use normal frame 🤨 to seem genuine

[@SunnyE_Mechwarrior]

I find whenever people have bias's either religious, ethnic or cultural that it does colour their view point and we must take them with a grain of salt. The irony of Dr Miano criticizing the colonialism for twisting their view point and not recognizing his own is not lost on anyone here. The sad thing is India is one of the cradles of civilization, and is recognized and respected as such today. I have studied Harappan civilization and it has an old fantastic culture but going on ours is the first or Mesopotamian is the first or Egyptian the first is kind of stuff I expect from kids in high school arguing which is better Nintendo, Sony or Xbox. Mesoamerica is also considered a cradle and so is the Yellow river basin. The Mesoamerican cradle was the most recent one does it mean it's inferior or influenced by the others? No definitely not. All it shows to me that each cradle went from a neolithic culture to slowly urbanize and and organize from rural villages to towns to urban environments kind of an evolution. Mesopotamian did not make Egypt nor did it make Harappan culture. The same can be said of Biblical Archeology, they based their findings on the Bible and went looking for clues, instead having clues on archeology and this still colours people view and have given it a bad reputation that slowly been reforming itself.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I agree with what you say, which makes me confused as to what you mean when you say I am twisting something.

[@SunnyE_Mechwarrior]

@@WorldofAntiquity I am so sorry, I am an idiot, I mean to say David Frawley is confusing, I copied the wrong name in my comment and didn't realize it.

[@SunnyE_Mechwarrior]

One more thing I like to bring up about David Frawley made the comment he didn't believe in the Aryan invasion. Was there an invasion? I don't think so, but we don't know (please keep in mind it's been 25 years since I read into the Indus Valley Civilization) The Harappan culture ended around 1800~1700 BC. There wasn't a destruction layer as one would expect to see as you find in some sites of the bronze age collapse. The Rg Vedas are believed to date 1500 to 1000 BC. You can't categorically say there is no invasion, but you can't say there was either. There is a theory of climate change forces the people of the Indus Valley to leave that location and later on people were migrating and moved into the area which does in my opinion pass the smell test but I think there still alot of studying needs to be done. I understand people wanting to be proud of their heritage and the Indus Valley is one of the great centers of Civilization, it's a great thing.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@SunnyE_Mechwarrior Ah, I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying and for sharing your thoughts.

[@jenkijazbeat]

Tout ceçi est très sensible et humaniste ce qui me fait penser à Jésus Christ: tendre l'autre joue... ( création judeo chrétiens en la personne de Paul de tarse saul de son nom juif) c'est l'occident qui a tout occulter tout hégémonisé tout asservit!? penser être légitimes en pointant du droit ceux qui veulent rétablir la vérité !!??? Comme il est mentionné dans la bible, l'armaguedon est à notre porte et il s'agit de l'accepter qui mènera certainement une extinction peut-être la 6ème !!? Et peut être aussi que l'humanité comprendra ses erreurs..mais j'en doute car les commentaires montrent un certain agacement au changement de paradigme qui dérange! En oubliant ou feintant la réalité des misères, des morts, des violences,les extinctions de peuple le travail forcé perpétré par l'occident a tout controler, penser que l'occident pourrait avoir le même comportement avec les cobras que les indiens( les protéger malgré les risques...!? L'occident est le demon de ses égrégores et de prés ou de loin, les défenseurs des ces pensées, vulgarisées,standardisées!!

[@spurohit6976]

Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950): “The entire world will accept Hindu religion one day and if it can not even accept the real name it will accept it by name only.” West will accept Hindutva one day and Hindu will be the religion of those who have studied in the world “

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

Dave down the pub (19??-20??) "I reckon all the rulers of the world are lizard people from the moon and they harvest human babies for telekenetic powers" Must be facts then because someone said it

[@EternalRainOfLight]

I am Indian born and living in India, but tbh I do not care where human civilization began. When I look at the universe, when I look at the picture "The pale blue dot" it makes me just feel something which I cannot explain, it's something my mind cannot comprehend. Like is are we living in an atomic world???? Sun's and planets are like nucleus, protons and electrons,,, we know that 99.99% of space inside of an Atom is EMPTY, so is in our universe. What are we living in,

[@yashraj4855]

I came to this video to learn about the Indus Valley Civilisation but rather got some questions about the topics being discussed :- 1》It is being mentioned here that haplogroup cannot be native to India because it is not that diverse here. While in the origin of sanskrit video you said the exact opposite. There the diversity was acknowledged as true but that wasn't used for categorising as native. Is it not the same changing of sources as per need? 2》How did you infer that names were not in Sanskrit?? Can't independent words be names in a language? 3》And why were you shouting in between?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

*It is being mentioned here that haplogroup cannot be native to India because it is not that diverse here.* My newer video was correct. *How did you infer that names were not in Sanskrit?? Can't independent words be names in a language?* I'm not sure what part of the video you are referring to. Do you mean words found in Sanskrit that are loan words from non-Sanskritic languages? Languages have identifying characteristics. That is how they are able to tell. *And why were you shouting in between?* I am not aware of any shouting.

[@25years66]

Most of the Indian people have mass pychological issue most of them suffer from dunning kruger effect due to thousand year of foreign invasion.....

[@tomorrow.]

@@25years66 As an Indian I kinda agree to this! Since I see people who are generally overestiamating the cultural aspects and greatness of India, forgetting what needs to be done. I always thought there was some issue as ppl are struggling to get more attention from outside world in different forms and the surpressing mentality is still prevalent within different communities, the outside world is not doing much great in making this better either.The only good part is, lot of ppl in the younger generation do understand this, all I can hope is nomatter how long it takes, surely but slowly get rid of it.

[@25years66]

@@tomorrow. agreed

[@ThatBernie]

As someone deeply interested in historical linguistics myself I found this one particularly cringeworthy. Not because your debunking wasn't successful, but because Frawley's argument was just so painfully bad.

[@ronakbhadra6400]

@@broadcastwithatg5195 Done with your strawman?🤣🤣🤣

[@babalootukeke]

@@ronakbhadra6400 This straw man could be used to teach the concept of straw man! lol

[@deeppurple883]

Personally I don't care who came first, it's irrelevant. Most people don't care about the place or who they were , but they want the truth. The history is important and interesting.

[@debasishraychawdhuri]

we are all mixed genetically by now anyway.

[@MrPrav76]

there’s lot of us that wanna kno where civilization started..

[@shaneomahony5469]

@@MrPrav76 Yes, or what they were like before, how they lived and how advanced they were but too often do ego and pride interfere with the truth. Its a constant battle that every group faces.

[@klila16]

Now a days the view is that agriculture and civilisation arose independently across a number of sites during the Palaeolithic period.

[@oldschool1993]

This guy looks like a refugee from the age of aquarius, of whom there were many who rushed off to India to follow some guru and find nirvana. Most wandered back home and became insurance salesmen, but a few are still clinging to the myths and mysticism they hoped would bring order to a chaotic world..

[@MossyMozart]

Very judgmental.

[@jacobcantrell82]

What did he even mean at the beginning when he said Sanskrit was more "sophisticated" than German or Slavic or Romance languages?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I have no idea!

[@noctiscaelum9845]

@@WorldofAntiquity it's more evolved, its known as a highly phonetic language, that means each syllable is more utilized, but like Ancient Greek, and other dead languages no one speaks today

[@TheLazyVideo]

I think he’s referring to the grammar rules of Sanskrit which are algorithmic, and the the various codified linguistic rules of its poetry.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@TheLazyVideo That doesn't make it clearer. What is "algorithmic" grammar? And what about the codified linguistic rules of its poetry are different than all other languages' codified linguistic rules of poetry?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@Anand Sharma Those are all great things about Sanskrit, but none of them have to do with sophistication (a high degree of complexity).

[@PathsUnwritten]

And this guy's claims are only scratching the surface -- from there, you get the Ramayana literalists claiming that Sigiriya and the Adam's/Rama's Bridge are artificial and thousands of years older, or the Tamil nationalists claiming credit for ancient Angkor, Champa, Borobudur, and even South & Central America, and then there are the ancient alien people like Tsoukalos and Mohan who will jump on any theory they can. Hard to keep them all straight. Really looking forward to Part 2!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I totally agree that there were different centers of civilization. It would inappropriate to say that all stemmed from one. This is what I have been trying to tell believers in an advanced lost global civilization about.

[@rahulchawla6256]

Baseless claims are always there. Such as British clonialists trying to fit entire Indian Puranic and Vedic cronology in the period post Noah's flood. The evidence of this is in the public domain. It is disastrous when scholarly concensus is biased and is citing those references. William Jones writes "Either the first eleven chapters of Genesis are true or the whole fabric of our national religion is false (The gods of Greece, Italy and India, Asiatic Researches, Vol 1; 1788 p225) Max Muller - the great western translator of Vedas say (in a letter to Duke of Argyll) "I look upon the creation given in the Genesis as simply historical" oxford feb 4, 1875 1. This is the guy British gave sanskrit dictionaries to translate Hindu Vedas. 2. Be my guest see if you can use dictionary to even find meanings of classical sanskrit verses, let alone Vedic Sanskrit. These are the people being cited again and again in the current times by western scholars. Linguistics - Then they constructed an artificial language called Proto Indo European (PIE) - they commited an academic dishonesty that used only Sanskrit to construct this artificial language. When Srikanth Talgeri pointed it out, linguistics completely refused to even provide answers, let alone refuting it. This dishonestly also occurs in genetic studies. For example the geneticists added the people of Andeman islands into Indian genetic models with south Indians to create an artificial gradient and concluded that ASI and ANI are different. The moment you remove the Andeman people genetics data. You dont find different betweem ANI and ASI. People of Andeman stopped mixing eith indian about 40-50,000 years ago. This is called acedamic dishonety to fudging the data to make it fit a certain narrative. Then we have this Narmada man whose skull was found in central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. Paper published by an american scholar AR Kennedy assigning this Narmada man is an "early homo sapian" based on his cranial capacity of 1155-1421cmcube. This evidence esserting that not only Indians lived in the subcontinent but they rather evolved in the subcontinent. Then precision tools found in India which are 185,000 - 350,000 years old. Western scholars say Homo erectus dissappeared about 600,000 ago and homo sapiens came to India 85,000 years ago. Then who was making these tools? - again the published evidence is ignored to be discussed in the public domain and did find place in western narrative. We have found pottery inscriptions in bed dwarka, which has been decoded as transital script between indus script to Brahmi script. - again published evidence ignored by "scholars" Mool dwarka city under the sea near the coast of Dwarka, Gujrat is found to have been submurged under sea at the time around 5550+- 30to40 BCE. it is the same mentioned in Mahabharta which got burried under the sea some years after the Mahabharta war. Vartak and Nilesh Oak both by testing 300+ astronomical observations which were recorded in Mahabharata found the 16 Oct 5561 BCE to the first day of Mahabharta war. How interestingly these two disciplines of science prove the dating of Mhabharta. Again ignored by western "scholars" Indian Valmiki Ramayana talks about two pole stars at each pole. Abhijit pole star (Vega) at North pole and Agastya pole star (Canopus) at the sputh pole. Anyone can go and check, these two stars Vega and Canopus were both pole stars at around 12,000 BCE. Then RigVeda talking about the grand status of river Sarasvati flowing beautifully from himalayas to ocean then it talks about river Satluj started to seperate from Sarasvati and started to turn west, then Satluj competely stopped feeding saraswati, then monsoon fed sarasvati river then Saraswati completely drying up. These life stages of Sarasvati river can be found in many different sanskrit texts like Vedas, puranas, ramayana, mahabharta. Manu papers have been published asserting that Satluj started seperating from river Sarasvati around 18-15,000 yeats ago and completely stopped feeding Sarasvati around 9000 years ago. Sarasvati being a grand river around 20,000 years ago confirmed by studying the Ghaggar Hakra paleochannel which was course of Sarasvati river. Snakdrit texts even mention that Sarasvati flows between Satluj and Yamuna. Which is ehere the paleoochannel is. What I mentioned above is a drop in the lake of evidemce we currently have. Apparently - western narrative is still stuck in the Aryan Migration Theory. By the way, where does the word ARYAN come from? Any single evidemce of this word ever existed in any world language?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Rahul, the good news is that nobody today believes in William Jones' and Max Muller's theories. Isn't it a nice feeling to be able to let those go? As for the other things you mention, there are several incorrect claims you make: 1. that linguists reconstructed Proto-Indo-European only from Sanskrit (not true) 2. that "precision tools" were found in India that were 185,000-300,000 years old (not true) 3. that a city near Dwarka was submerged around 5,550 BCE (not true) Can you please provide me with the numbered verses of the Sanskrit texts that speak of the Satluj separating from the Sarasvati and turning west? Thank you.

[@rahulchawla6256]

@@WorldofAntiquity I will quickly give you some information on published papers. I can't talk too much given my time constraints. A new revolutionary DNA results of Rakhigarhi women - An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers - very interesting paper and invalidates many of the earlier hypothesis. www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)30967-5 1. Construction PIE language - you should read the works of Shrikanth Talageri. I cannot explain here. We all know that how linguistics relate to political and Identity issues. Indo-European languages are a fact but the claims of origin in PIE are false as per the Indian scholars. This is not something I can explain in a comment, you should read Talageri's work, some other scholar have also worked and much more work is happening. Now a lot of work is happening, good thing is that there is so much advanced scientific tool available to help figure things out. For example the use of modern astronomy tools to go back in time and find out when the 300+ astronomical observations of Mahabharata were recorded and when 600+ Astro. observ. of Valmii Ramayana were recorded. Isn't it fantastic? that how you find nearly 1000 astronomical observations in Indian epics, which are not even the texts on astronomy. Let alone other proper astronomy texts. I am very curious to see how again and again you have completely ignored this fact of so much astronomy in Indian epics. Rather I would be very curious if it was western ancient epics containing so much astronomy observations. 2. The tools found in the India 350kya - 185kya (please refer to the article and it also contain the link to the paper published in Nature) www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/01/very-old-very-sophisticated-tools-found-in-india-the-question-is-who-made-them/ Narmada man (an Early Homo Sapien) - about 250kya journals.lib.washington.edu/index.php/BIPPA/article/download/11291/9931 3. 5550 bce was for the black sea rise in level. Below is more specific evidence for Mool Dwarka, It was mentioned by me as a corroborative evidence to the dating of mahabharata and the events mentioned in it. One of the even is the destruction and flooding of Dwarka (not present day Dwarka) on the cost of Gujrat (present day state) There are many published papers to support the destruction and flooding via the Seismology and Sea level rise in the 6th millenium BCE. This is a corroborative evidence bioone.org/journals/journal-of-coastal-research/volume-29/issue-6a/JCOASTRES-D-11-00147.1/High-Resolution-Seismic-Stratigraphy-and-Current-Induced-Bed-Forms-in/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-11-00147.1.short rise of sea level in the arabian sea - about 10+ metres in the 6th millenium BCE Seismology record of 5540+-130 years as per the paper published by Kusala Rajendran of Indian institute of Sciences about the Gujrat area coming to the dates of a major earthquake. Again this corroborates with the dating of 5,561 BCE for Mahabharata as proposed by PV Vartak during 1990s and Nilesh Oak of 2010. There are many more published paper which are corroborative to the 5,561 BCE dating of Mahabharata. 4. River Saraswati is no longer alive is fact one - it was the Ghaggar paleochannel - please read this paper. It gives you a life-time timeline of Sarasvati river. www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01643-9 I don't have enough time to collate the information here but would summaries briefly. When I have time, I would love to collate information and may be put that together in a blog or something :) The descriptions of Sarasvati from Rigveda refer to evolutionary geographical history of river Sarasvati - a river that was considered the grandest (on all counts - river, water, divine status) that flowed swiftly from high mountains all the way to the sea, which continued to flow in later times however was deified and identified with ‘goddess of speech, intellect and such’ to being one of the rivers (as opposed to the grandest river, Rigveda 10:75) based on the most recent/latest portions/content of Rigveda. Where river Sindhu (Indus) have Grand status and Saraswati is just one of the rivers. Its not only Rigveda but Ramayana (12209BCE) and Mahabharata (5,561 BCE) describe the state of Saraswati river that corroborates with the contemporary state of Saraswati river. I can't write all that here. P.S. You only said "not true" which is rather a convenient response than informative. I would love to read any contrary published papers.

[@rahulchawla6256]

@@WorldofAntiquity By the way if you are interested. read Shrikanth Talageri. talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html Feel free to ask him questions regarding his research. I am just one person who agrees with his claims depending on my personal multidisciplinary approach of analysis. For Archeoastronomy read Nilesh Oak and ask an expert about his work and his claims and his multi discplinary corroborative evidence. nileshoak.wordpress.com/

[@ahklys1321]

What is your claim to expertise, good Dr.? Just curious.

[@mritunjayy]

28:40 In another video you said R1A has more diversity in India but this may be due to massive population in India. Here you say R1A has very less diversity in India. Which one is it?

[@shraavanhegde5870]

Was wondering the same

[@thelordandsaviorgigachadrr888]

Also he...he does realize that there were Ancient Indian Atheists and Rationalists, as well as the fact that Vedic Texts differed within regions and different texts had different philosophies, right? Also, outside of the Gangetic Plain, and especially South and Northeast, the Vedas weren't really important during the time called the "Vedic Period".

[@rahulchawla6256]

At 3:10 in the video you are reading from website "Though India had more than enough of its share of foreign invasions, it managed to maintain the civilisational continuity through the ages" - then you say " what that means is that it was not influenced by foreign ideas" Now everyone will agree here that this is not what that line means at all. To an English reader - this line means that though many foreign invaders looted and tried to invade India but that did not disrupt the continuity of Indian civilization. To an indigenous Indian who clearly understands the context- this is what that line means. Though in recent times (in the past 1000 years) were attached simultaneously by Arabs, Turks, Afghans, Persons, Mongols, French, Portuguese, British etc. We did not just manage to survive but saved our culture, traditions, festivals, 100s of languages, Dharma, Panths(religions), books, etc etc.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

It is certainly possible that I misinterpreted that statement. Can you clarify--if migrants into India brought with them a new language and new traditions, which some of the people adopted, isn't that the same as influencing the land with foreign ideas?

[@rahulchawla6256]

@@WorldofAntiquity 1. Thanks for agreeing that you misinterpreted Frawley at 3:10 which is pretty much the start of the video. 2. You asked me a Q - "Can you clarify--if migrants into India brought with them a new language and new traditions," My response: its a big "IF" and an imaginary statement. Interestingly decisive evidence exist such as presence of agriculture in SriLanks nearly 20,000 years proving the existence of Indian civilization. The "Tested" astronomical observations (supported by climatology, seismology, study of rivers etc) provide dates of upto and older than 20,000 years old across many different Sanskrit texts proving not only the language existed but also advanced astronomical instruments, mathematics, astronomy etc. If we find such profound and testable/confirmed evidence from anywhere in the world - I would be very exited to see that. :) so Lets close this comment here.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

You didn't answer my question.

[@rahulchawla6256]

@@WorldofAntiquity In original comments, I asked questions which you did not answer and conveniently again avoiding to do so. regardless, I don't have agenda. So I can answer you Q. No culture or language can stay purely of the origin there are always influences on each other. this is not something to accept, this is a normal evolution of society. who would understand this better than an Indian? we have 19,000+ languages, you want to teach us about culture and influences. Oh com'on

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I fully agree with you that no culture or language can stay pure without influence. The Aryan Migration Theory is in harmony with that idea. Why should it cause offense, if it does not deny the continuity of Indian culture? Please rewrite the questions you asked me, because they are not in this thread.