Did Classic WoW Live up to Expectations?

[@CaptainGrim]

Classic WoW has been a huge thing for me and my channel and I've absolutely enjoyed interacting with the community and providing you guys with content around it. I also am aware that I've inspired a lot of you to even give it a try in the first place, which is why I thought it's only fair for me to give you my honest impressions of it. This is the first discussion-type video I've done where I really try to speak my mind and honestly it was pretty tough! I'm not too used to it, but I had fun making it and I hope it does the job! Again, I really appreciate all of your support so far, much love to all of you!

[@Smithington_]

Which song is played at 2:20?

[@thatffnerd9170]

Hey Captain Grimm, been watching your videos since the Monk Experience Video, and i just gotta ask, what do you feel about the game Final fantasy 14? Like the game is getting a new expansion, so i'm just curious

[@zextthenomad2916]

So, HUGE issue coming in BC with character cloning. People will just clone their gold cap characters and anihalate the economy.

[@crowmaster9652]

I'm so glad you mentioned tryharding, those guys are the worst

[@Infestedpee]

Your just keeping it real, and what happened in classic was really bad -- do not ever apologize for doing the right thing, no matter how bad it feels

[@FreddyGabriel]

I buffed a Druid with wisdom on my pally. He literally chased me a mile to buff me back. Welcome to classic.

[@SalariaStudios]

Ur welcome

[@tadascanovas7189]

Truly beautiful

[@FGazi-qf1hp]

I loved buffing people.

[@Kingx_xDucky]

I ran after someone for 15 minutes to give them mark of the wild lol

[@ekorean120]

Hes like "HEY MOTHER FUCKER GET THE FUCK BACK HERE DAMNIT STOP.........ok here you go * little buff*....... *buff noises*...... ok...bye ....../walks from middle of barrens to orgrimmar bank Puts 3 raw boar meats from inventory to bank .....spends 10 min trying to jump from box to the top of the bank sign /sits Trades his level 31 troll rogue friend 18g' Lol just explained regular play/idler time things until log out lmao

[@crendor]

I feel bad for Terry

[@bird4958]

Terry Sadge

[@waderoberts3701]

WoWCrendor!

[@xgetxsickx]

Wowcrendor take my like! Also, who's Terry?

[@danielglidewell]

Terry has a special place in my heart.

[@TheFancyKyle]

F for Terry!

[@quchi7232]

I remember being a Night Elf level 30+ exploring through barrens and I was so cautious because it was the enemy territory, and then I saw a level 12 Tauren and I ran because I’m afraid that he might call back up or something. Damn, I miss being a newb.

[@Lasershadow]

Should've made that a PVP feature for World PVP / PVP servers that you could summon faction guards.

[@mikoto7693]

Maybe it’s good I never played WoW then. Few things can turn me away from a game than forced PvP where others higher level than you can just show up and gank you. Makes me glad I ended up in FF11 then later/now in FF14.

[@Eramidas]

@@Lasershadow Nah, it's way more fun when players ask for help from each other. I loved running over to help

[@MrRedpanda2442]

@@mikoto7693 you can play non pvp servers

[@this.is.a.username]

@@mikoto7693 it's not forced pvp if you wander into enemy territory.

[@tarroes8797]

Basically, the problem isn't Min-Maxers. Its them forcing it on others.

[@danceswithchihuahuas]

Truly the problem is the ability of players to pay min maxers to do so

[@Lasershadow]

Pretty much the whole problem with WoW's player base in the first place. Just the player base.

[@navilluscire2567]

Peer pressure is never a good thing and basically turns everything good about the community into a toxic, sludgy, quagmire of misery.

[@Shiirow]

thats usually the issue with most negatives, its fine when a few people do it but when it becomes the baseline expectation is when it starts becoming an issue.

[@TheSteinin]

SO I guess all the Casuals, who didn't care so much about min-maxing have already left WoW, and only the min-maxing power-players are left.

[@IBrowneeI]

I had PTSD when I saw Derrick standing in front of Cthun. A fucking achievement that he's managed to get there, for sure, but god damn is that fight really gonna put him to the test.

[@Sanguiris]

lmao

[@throg4657]

He’s the raid leader

[@Rianoria]

It puts a warm feeling in my her to know he's made it that far despite everything

[@unknowndane4754]

The boosting meta made me really sad, I prefered the casual experience and loved running around just questing and chatting with people on the local

[@xoresgaminghub5412]

Most people stull did that, you cant judge whole game because few retards

[@Clavitz1]

this is something i believe the devs should have patched. i think it would have helped extend the life of classic.

[@notNajimi]

Same. I saw someone on warmane’s icecrown realm asking for a boost from level 72 to 80 and like, why?? Why are people so allergic to playing the game? Icecrown already has optional 7x experience rates so why do you need someone to boost you up to level 80 even faster than that? It’s wack

[@mbarko606]

Phase 1 brought us all back to the good old times even if it wasn't for very long

[@alihorda]

I only leveled a priest to lvl 34, returned to retail because I don't have much time to invest more in both, but I loved the leveling in classic, listening to music (back then I turned it off), slowed down, actually read quest texts.. classic reignited some love for WoW

[@EdgeyStyle]

@@alihorda you know you still can slow down, listen to the music and read the quest in retail like any other exp xD

[@alihorda]

@@EdgeyStyle yeah but I paid attention to these on classic

[@MalonzeProductionsGaming]

@@EdgeyStyle "slow" for retail is still x5 faster then classic.... also quest texts are absolutely not the same in retail vs classic... classic they actually tell you where to go because they had to. (most of the time) in retail is a big fucking arrow on the map and even if you turned that off in settings the text will only say "Hey we need X done.. go do t" it doesnt say where and are not nearly as indepth.

[@EdgeyStyle]

@@MalonzeProductionsGaming oh yeah I see what you wanted to say, it's just that I don't have enought time to play classic I forgot how long it was xD

[@Bgh583]

I grew up with vanilla. And classic didn't disappoint me. I experienced the same community I knew. I remember being ganked in westland as a lvl 16. I cried once for help and an entire guild came and sweeped the area clean, then giving me a cookie and a class of milk and patted me on the head. Classic for at least is the childhood I cant go back to

[@mikoto7693]

I remember that feeling albeit in a different way in FF14. I was having real difficulties with a quest boss in the frozen Coerthas zone. I’d started the quest the night before and by morning I’d forgotten I was supposed to use an item on it first to weaken it. So after my third death I /shouted for help at my co-ordinates. I wasn’t expecting any reply but a full team of four lvl 80 (capped at the time and I was around lvl 40) responded to my call. To me, who hadn’t unlocked flying for mounts yet, it was incredible. They swooped down out of the sky and asked what I needed help with. I explained my predicament and they were amused but it was a good-natured amusement. They reminded me about the item I was supposed to use but said they were going to kill it for me anyway. So they had me spawn the mob and honestly it was half dead before I’d even managed to use the item. Once I did though the other half of it’s hp went down so fast it happened in a fraction of a second. I got the key item drop requirement to turn in the quest and they asked me if there was anything else they could help with. I thanked them for helping me but said I should be fine because I could ride my chocobo back to safety. A moment or two later they seemed to remember that I couldn’t fly on my mounts yet. So one of them got out a peculiar looking mount that resembled a park bench tied to a balloon above it. She said “This is a two seater mount. Hop on and I’ll fly you to the outpost.” I agreed and it took me a moment to figure out how but I did it and my character sat on the bench next to her. Now as a newbie who hadn’t experienced ingame flight since the jetpacks on Risa in Star Trek Online, the flight back to the Ishgardian outpost-Whitebrim I think was the name. Might be wrong about that- was awesome. It looked great and the other three of the team kinda flew around us in a loose escort formation. I was mildly disappointed when it ended. Still I was looked after. It felt like they’d given me cookies, a warm milk, a pat on the head and sat me down near the fireplace. I barely had time to thank them once again before they flew off into the sky to resume whatever is was they’d been doing before my call for help interrupted them. I’ve never forgotten that kindness, nor the other examples of random acts of kindness I’ve had since I started my journey in Eorzea. Especially from my FC. Usually if I get stuck or need help they come running. For example I was having trouble with one of the Smn job quests around lvl 60-65. It had been created when pets stayed out all the time when summoned instead of that “it’s all through carbuncle” shit they got since Endwalker. Worse that the quest had been designed when Titan had been a tank. The modern Smn just doesn’t have the damage mitigation abilities anymore. Luckily it’s a mob spawn quest instead of a solo instanced Duty quest. Even my chocobo specced into tanking couldn’t handle this. So I asked my FC for help. Everyone was busy including my best friend in FF14 but he spoke to some of his own friends not part of the FC and three of them came to help. Invited me into the party saying that my friend had sent them to help. I explained the situation, they acknowledged. After checking they were ready I spawned the mob. Against three players between lvl 80 and 85 with the new cap being lvl 90 thanks to Endwalker, it died in less than three seconds. And that was that. I thanked them and self-disbanded so they could go back to whatever they were doing. I thanked my friend in the FC and he was happy that it’d all worked out. Of course one day when I’m lvl capped and far enough into the endgame I plan to offer to repay the kindness. As a Smn for solo content and Scholar for group content I’ve already raised a few defeated newbie myself now I’m lvl 65, but as both a Sch and Whm I’m a healer. Apparently there’s a shortage of us if the queues for group dungeons is anything to go by. It takes absolutely ages for a dungeon queue to pop when I’m a Smn or on my Dragoon alt while I usually don’t even have to wait thirty seconds before I’m matched up for a group dungeon run as either Sch or Whm. Lucky for me I’m one of those oddballs that actually like and enjoy being the healer… except in cutscenes. 😛

[@Bgh583]

@@HateradeConsumer wow a 20 something single white male who obviously haven't grown up and is dissatisfied with his life that he has to seek comfort in a child show and act " tough" whilst being protected by a screen and hidden IP. 25 PEOPLE are already disagreeing with you. But you haven't matured enough to act like fully developed adult. Go troll somewhere else.

[@Mr_Edwards_1995]

Two of my closest friends and I made toons to level together throughout classic. Once a week we get on to play, they never played before MOP so everything is new to them. I haven’t had this much fun playing a video game since I was a kid. It’s the care free exploring and adventuring I’d been missing. Every time we log on we pick a zone and quest while just talking and goofing around, no rush to a level, no worrying about weeklies. We just play when we can or want to play and enjoy the little time we have. So far we’ve gone from 1-50 together.

[@Zaranthe]

That is the sweetest thing!! Keep having the time of your lives

[@Max-dv1kq]

@@Agon1stt thats a good point, but everybody has the option to play a game the way they want it to play even if that upsets other, like why would they even care

[@Shyftus]

Same man. One of my best friends went far away to study for 2 years. We both made wow classic Chars to have a thing we can do together while talking on discord. Leveling with him was almost like he never left.

[@Max-dv1kq]

@@Shyftus ouch dude my feels..take care you both!

[@MrNo1fan]

👍👍👍

[@bass-dc9175]

"Silly ways to mess with the bots" I feared one GOlden Pearl bot from center Azshara all the way into deep water. Then locked him down with a succubus and fear, untill he drowned. Result? He now walks back to his exact corpse location, tries to drink and eat (because he is below 70% health and mana) and drowns. Rinse and repeat. I also took a paladin bot in Winterspring and kited him to the Draconic for Dummies quest cliff. Then I feared him towards the edge and positioned myself in such a way, that he would fall down. He walked back to his corpse and ran towards a wall for the rest of the night. Another bot was hardlocked by killing him, but not his pet. This hunterbot was coded, so that he would allways resurect his pet after he died, because normally: He can only die after his pet does. So there he stands: Trying to res is still living pet on repeat.

[@BlunderBuns]

Thank you

[@Ocyla]

That's beautiful.

[@restinpieces7]

kek

[@dartog4967]

Chad bot destroyer.

[@GoGo-251]

Gods worker

[@jmanjman2685]

I had so much fun with it. I already have nostalgia for it, when it just came out. I never would have guessed I would level 3 characters to lvl 60. To me reaching lvl 60 as a kid took almost a whole year.

[@boomshoot5350]

at least you we'rent scared in traveling. As a kid when my cousin introduced old wow classic to me I was scared from the mobs being everywhere and looking so intimidating

[@stoi_]

I just hope some other developers have noticed that the "you think you do..." and "just nostalgia..." contempt for players is literally leaving cash on the table.

[@Tyrann86]

ya when i played vanilla at release it took me 2 months to get to 60 and it took roughly the same amount of time in classic for my first character. Then I learned about boosting and got my alts to 60 in roughly 2 weeks lol.

[@Monsteretrope]

Despite how hyped i was when classic was announced, i ended up never playing it. I dont play any multiplayer games anymore tbh, people are just too serious for me. It ends up feeling like a job.

[@dmitrygerasimenya9041]

Barrens ambient literally cleans my soul. It's so good...

[@ToucanMurk]

That's how I feel about STV. Sometimes I just sit my character next to a lake, zoom all the way in, and just sit in the ambience and music.

[@leeccilee7605]

And then there comes the barrens chat....

[@rolizei8902]

i quit classic and wont start tbc because of exactly what you mentioned: minmaxing and botting, with blizz doing NOTHING. ruined the fun for me.

[@rolizei8902]

@k1z2oo8 not on my server. and cheating problem still not solved. not paying for that "experience"

[@cattysplat]

I love levelling. Boosting with mage aoe and WoW token will kill levelling. The classic experience will be officially dead.

[@xeonwow1272]

You are absolutely correct its not worth it... and not gonna hold my breath for blizz to come to the rescue :P

[@yogg-saron7785]

When it came out it was awesome. People actually playing the game, helping each other etc then later on turned into a toxic boosting fest.

[@dapred00]

Blame Blizzard for this, they are the ones who turned people that way with a huge load of rewards to get every week in a limited time. Missing these or failing to get boosts meant you would not be picked in activities.

[@Nayrock]

I hope they come out with a classic fresh start server! I'd do it all over again-again!

[@noctusowl]

Me too buddy, me too

[@lesteracunajimenez2077]

A classic from phase 1, a literal fresh start! Would be amazing

[@imperialanvil6826]

And they did it ❤

[@MortMort]

I enjoy the first few months of Classic but then all the cons you named kind of took over and killed it for me

[@mysterymastermind175]

Same

[@NachozMan]

I got my druid to 58 and when phase 2 rolled around I quit because of how unfun it became.

[@bamagrad99]

Same here. I spent a year getting hyped up, played like crazy at launch, but was gone and not thinking about it after a measly four months. It was fun while it lasted though! My launch day memories from Classic are just as good as when WoW originally released.

[@jaimecortes1269]

@@NachozMan go back to retail lmao

[@oluftheexplorer9476]

@@JJ-ic5vf Shadowlands got boring after day one because it has nothing to offer. Blizzards idea for content is: 1) Raid with same exact mechanics as the past 8 years. 2) world quests that don't award you anything worth the time it takes to complete them Ans 3) that stupid follower mission table, which should have only been a gimmick in WoD and never be used again.

[@BBweed420]

I remember using my big brain to convince a pair of warlocks to soul stone me so I could skip the elevator down to thousand needles and then after they finished yelling at me I convinced the second one to do it again so I could skip the elevator down from town.

[@soutagull1675]

I love this longer format, it was so relaxing and fun to watch!

[@CaptainGrim]

Happy to hear it man, thanks!

[@p-chan3319]

100% agree with all of your points. There is a reason why the hype for TBCC is only a small fraction of what we had for Classic and what it could have been. Such a shame. Worst offenders for me is the GDKP / gold buying culture and on a overall level the "how can i exploit that" culture. There is no respect for the game itself and no respect for other players.

[@Makofueled]

For this reason I'm super glad I played 3 years of private before classic was released. I got to experience a snapshot of the community when people were just playing to play rather than GDKP, mage boosts, bots and other nonsense taking over the whole place. Plus I was disappointed with the whole thing being on 1.13, as well as not having the original Alterac Valley, though I'm sure the new min/maxy community would've just ignored each other in that too.

[@chromeshellking]

What did me in was the guild I was in I started out as the winter's chill mage since I was the new guy, all the other mages eventually stopped playing, new ones joined that out did me as dps so the gear I was given was never BiS and then I just got passed over. Made it to tbc and then was on the casual side then I was informed that I was passed over many times over for loot prior. Lost all respect I had and dropped them. I get it but I am a firm believer in if you aren't happy say it. Time lost I could have spent finding something that worked out better for me. All in all was a good way to finally break the hold mmo's had on me. like the Wc3 dev said, its over and its ok to move on. havent touched mmo's or anything other than console/emulator super casual shit.

[@blackjacka.5097]

How does GDKP work exactly?

[@Chelpard]

I thank you, from the bottom of my heart to put one of the most Beautiful pièce of music in WoW history in background (grizzly Hills), as introduction. I am, to this day, still crying about how much i loved that music when i first enter the grizzly Hills with my Tauren Druid in 2008. That is my core memory from this game (i stopped during BFA)

[@ryanhodge9342]

This is a perfect review of what makes classic great. Thank you for the always entertaining, and hilarious videos Grim. I watch every video, even when I'm taking breaks from WoW!

[@CaptainGrim]

Thanks for the support

[@hicks26]

Great video, I’ve been enjoying classic myself, I’ve not come across many bots, but I don’t have the game time I used to when I started out either. I’m yet to get a character to 60. Sitting at 58 now, but I have found it difficult to get runs, guild members are raiding, most people as you state are power levelling and charging more for runs than I have had on my characters at any one time. I do remember back when I started playing Vanilla WoW, if we found a bot from the same faction we used to duel it, the bot got confused and you were able to stop it for a while, then the operator worked out it had stopped farming.

[@BBweed420]

I legitimately wonder if gold farmers are paying off blizzard employees to ignore them.

[@TheDorianTube]

Could easily be the case. EA employees got busted giving away premium/rare soccer players in FIFA for huge amount of money. There's no reason to not believe your theory can't be true.

[@stafan2757]

Imagine if blizzard are step ahead and employees make private server ONLY for bots to make gold because this is only metod to broke economy and ruin experience. Biggest suprises you must buying this shit.

[@BBweed420]

@@stafan2757 if they were competent they would shuck all the bots to one layer isolated from the rest so they aren’t aware their bots aren’t broken. Then just hide their auctions from normal players.

[@falain5117]

I wonder if they are blizzard employees, or blizzard bots. if people buy gold anyway, why not selling it yourself and get that sweet $$$? It's not like blizzard actually cares about any of their titles, they care about the money.

[@Masterwar15]

Gold farmers can probably, unironically pay them more than Blizzard does.

[@nicklionberger7229]

I had a blast as someone who wasnt around for vanilla WoW, got to meet tons of people and struggle with them. Loved it

[@TheSaiyanKing]

I'm gonna be honest: the leveling experience in Classic has been amazing. After reaching 60, it started to go downhill for me.

[@sinfroste]

@Captain Grim, 6:30 Gave me a LONG laughing fit, I mean this video is spot on and I love all the parts, and all your content. But man!!! The night elf bopping the BALD DWARF on the head was truly comical talking about the RET PALADIN lmfao.

[@Leonidasthegreat1994]

No it did not. Big streamers at phase 2 did their best to ban pvpers that ganked them for "cheating" and they succeeded. The community with each phase became even more toxic and literally sucked the life out of the game when it comes to raiding and pve. People blame the bots but i blame the community that repeatedly bought gold.

[@matthewirizarry8467]

750g level 45 items. Gold buying screwed the economy so hard.

[@Iandrasill]

blizz could've prevented a lot of it if they only looked at private servers and learned some lessons especially in regards to fucking world buffs, that shit should've been banned or changed cause it's been a serious cancer on the game, always fun to see them intentionally skip on changing the most cancerous aspect of classic while they tune PvP a ton to make sure people aren't allowed to queue as a group even tho for the whole of vanilla it was possible to queue as a group and was often encouraged after raiding to get one going. Blizzard is just being lazy af putting their fingers in their ears and going 'you think you do but you don't, we've been telling you from the start! go play our retail instead' and shocker no one cares and retail is still dying cause it's just a bad game made badly by people with no real design vision or philosophy other than 'how can we make reward loops more efficient', the most cancerously stupid players of vanilla are now designing the game and people are shocked it's not fun....... I will repeat that: the most sweaty no lifer shit nerds of vanilla and TBC that by todays standards royally sucked at their classes are designing your modern game, and you're surprised they dont do a good job........ big shocker.

[@ddoumeche]

Nothing wrong in banning people who stream snipe, you have no idea how ugly it can become

[@aislingyngaio]

Captain, you have earned my undying respect for the callout to demon kotick. Bravo!

[@Phara_2]

I definitely feel you on the GDKPs. I decided to go to a Naxx GDKP last month to make some extra gold, but my jaw was on the ground when I watched a mage pure buyer drop 11k gold on the Tier 3 cloth helm token, 7k on Leggings of Polarity, and 13k on the Sapphiron caster cloak. If that doesn't scream gold buyer, then idk what does...

[@dravengandling7552]

Cool video m8. Thanks for adding me in, even if it only was for 3 sec. Brought my view per 42h on the video from 11 to 120, now I can feel relevant again

[@Varindran]

I didn't play much of Classic only hit 42 on the warrior i made but the time i did spend i had a lot of fun meeting people to do quests with and running dungeons. even had a few guild mates help me with my WhirlWind axe quest. I'm really looking forward to BC going to try Prot paladin.

[@dylie4303]

I didn't get crazy far in classic, but I leveled a human paladin to about level 40, got my mount and was really enjoying it. Probably the most fun time I ever had was doing The Deadmines, which was my first ever classic dungeon.... my god. I went to stormwind and found some other people who wanted to find a group too, I joined, we later got a healer and the tank and we set off. Not too far of a run, we get to the place, and one of the other dps got lost in the mines leading up to the dungeon. I had to keep trying to lead him, it wasn't irritating, just funny that he just couldn't figure it out, but then later knew the dungeon off heart. We delved into the deadmines, cleaving, smashing and burning all in our path, getting various pieces of gear for the spell casters and healers. We finally arrived at Mr. Smite... and his hammer dropped. My best in slot from the whole dungeon really, but alas, the tank also would have wanted it. Everyone argued at first, but then we decided to just roll on it like civilized people. I won. I got my big piece of bone to cast down evil with. Aaaaaaaand.. the tank dipped. I was defeated... until the healer said "Were good bro, you can just tank the mobs, your a pally". YES, that is true sir healer. So we pushed on, with me doing my best. I had never tanked before, so I just tried my best. We continued, and came upon the ship that housed the sinister brigand... Edwin VanCleef. We battled our way to the deck, and at last came face to face with the vile villain. We positioned ourselves, and let ourselves loose upon him. The last few hours had been about defeating this... man, this savage bandit. His blackguards crept from the shadows, and fell upon our mage... I wasn't able to save our ally, but with a renewed spirit of vengeance in us, we resolved to cut them all down, along with Edwin VanCleef, casting the Defias brotherhood down. Bloodied and battered, we regrouped, and celebrated, as our rogue was lucky enough to have the Cruel Barb drop. A fine reward for our harrowing experience. If the tank had stayed, he might have rolled for the sword, but alas... some people do be salty. We made our way out of the mines, into the sunshine and felt truly heroic. It was one of the best feelings ever. It felt like an actual fantasy adventure. We danced, we waved, the dps that got lost on the way out of the mines somehow, so the healer went back for him and then we danced again. I gave some of my gold to the healer, as I felt bad that he didn't get any blue gear like the rest of us. It was so wholesome. We parted ways, I continued my quest, and that was my first dungeon experience of wow classic. I'll never forget it

[@ericbentz4597]

Found a great guild and made lasting friendships. Classic was way more than I hoped for.

[@abdukystain9411]

I am deeply offended youtube didnt recommend me this video for a whole day

[@josejuanandrade4439]

I was expecting a *"less then three"* after that /kiss at the end LOL

[@wcc70]

God the point on min-maxing and just paying for dungeons hit hard. I got back into WoW Classic sort of late, but still wanted to see if I could capture some of that good nostalgia. After scouring chatlogs for a solid 40 minutes I finally got a crew together for a Deadmines run. Let me tell you, the amount of encouragement, selflessness, and just all around comradery was really something special I hoped was going to continue through the leveling experience. Once I got to around level 25 that quickly faded with the exact points you brought up, and it totally killed that previous sense of adventure/immersion. Sure dungeon finder is great and all for grouping but there's this weird sense of satisfaction of actually interacting with people, getting to know them on some level, and then doing content. Great vid!

[@WoundedSnake]

Classic WoW had a different experience than Vanilla, different times different people so different experience I would rate it above retail but below vanilla Just my opinion

[@zirilan3398]

It was a different experience indeed because back then it wasn't as commen to use guids and tbh most of us don't knew anything and that made it fun.

[@dannyp9210]

Very good video with nice points! It was interesting to see your take on it in this manner!

[@CaptainGrim]

Cheers man, I'm glad to hear that :)

[@Balloonbot]

"Adventurers Manual" is such good name for the bot item too. Just the kind of RP title to guise something so corporate.

[@1un4cy]

two leveling tauren "AAAAAAAAAAA" "RUN" yep that's southern half of The Barrens all right

[@mysterymastermind175]

Oddly wholesome too

[@Max-dv1kq]

You brought a tear to my gamer eyes, so, thank you.

[@Vince-tt1uj]

That part from 3:45 reminded me my first days in the game when I was playing as my Tauren Shaman at WoW release. Good times.

[@diode_wow]

I started playing Classic about a week ago because I can't take Shadowlands anymore. I've had fun with the slow leveling, I've met people at various intervals and zones and have recognized even helped each other again on quests. It truly is a different experience.

[@lawlestest]

because systemlands is the worst timegated shit to this date. it's so bad.

[@mailowmailow5207]

ew social interactions who even likes that

[@madtitan4892]

@@lawlestest Imagine defending a game that literally requires you to grind re and gold/resources to enter a raid while complaining about "timegating"

[@kekelapp0r]

@@madtitan4892 That's because it's still better than being time gated. Classic promotes doing stuff at your own pace, while retail defines that pace for you. If I want to take a week off and grind basically any faction's reputation to exalted, I can do that in Classic without a problem. Will it be tedious as hell? Sure, but at least I'll be done with it afterwards. In retail, that's not possible. You have to login and complete daily / weekly quests to advance your rep in most cases, and if you don't feel like doing them for a week, you're missing out.

[@madtitan4892]

@@kekelapp0r Rep is completelly useless outside of cosmetics what the hell are you talking about?

[@Khazulduhuens]

you are a blessing for the wow community and an exelent content creator my man

[@CaptainGrim]

I'm humbled man, I appreciate the kind words

[@alperhalit7722]

The best 1-2 years in my life! i love Classic Forever and never forget.

[@Rakyr]

Wow classic during lockdown was one of the happiest times for me. Chatting with guildies until 1:00am having a laugh and appreciating the atmosphere of the game. Honestly the best and most wholesome gaming experience in my opinion!

[@volvodoto4053]

Can people stop hitting me unexpectedly with that grizzly hill music please? I can't just cry in the middle of the day ffs.

[@jaharnarishma5373]

I have not stopped laughing watching this video. You're a phenomenal content creator, just from this one video I've watched. I'll definitely be tuning in for more.

[@Zeltor]

I remember Silkroad Online having a cool anti bot mechanic, players could get an item that spawns a sphere with the same name and properties as NPC's in the area, if you'd kill it you'd die so bot's just suicided themselves (and players that didn't know but hey it's just a 1 time thing).

[@BlunderBuns]

Definitely better than what we have now

[@stevebarrett9357]

I have to agree with everything you said. For me personally, I haven't observed a large number of bots although I expect they exist and it is a puzzlement to me why Blizzard (seemingly) chooses not to do much of anything about them. I remember one streamer said that he got into the min/max rat race but finally left it to do pugs and added he had way more fun trying to help make such a group succeed. I am a casual player and haven't done many dungeons/raids because I enjoy the journey and especially those times when I can help others or when someone else helps me. I've experienced the good stuff as you have. As for the 'bad' stuff, I guess I just turn a 'blind Nelson's eye' to it. Thank you for making this (and all your other excellent) videos. You are a machinima god (with a small 'g' : )

[@CaptainGrim]

[@Deathpony9000]

Thank you Grim! This video was an integral driving factor in guild direction as a GM. "The real classic feel of the game in the current day" exists in Classic Era on Netherwind (PvP East 1) with the guild This has been our primary focus since August 2021 where we have steadily grown since then! All the negatives Grim lists here, we have eradicated on our unique server and guild environment. Look us up!

[@RayRay-uw6ms]

Cool!

[@NeoRazor]

Man your experience has been SO different from mine. I have been getting dungeon groups easily and haven't experienced any toxic min-maxing expectations. And I play a Ret paladin.

[@Tugger3891]

Damn i wish i could relive the Classic experience again, It went by so damn quick. Honestly one of my favorite games to play. How ill miss ya boys and girls

[@rocketdogticker]

Amazing and well thought out video. This was spot on. Capt Grim speaks for me here. I came back to classic after quitting in mop beta and well I'm done with this. The cheating was overwhelming not sure how people ever put up with it.

[@CaptainGrim]

Cheers man :) And yea I get you and have to agree. It's a pretty sad situation. Very off-putting :/

[@rocketdogticker]

@@CaptainGrim I'm just really shocked everyone accepted it like you pointed out. I kinda of felt like I was the only one freaking out about it. The video means alot to me, thank you!

[@mountainbiketobi4309]

I didn’t play classic past lvl 50; but that’s simple because I already achieved everything in vanilla and I didn’t want to spend 200+ days played again xD But damn, I had more great moments in a few days of classic (and nostalrius...) than in years of retail. It is really crazy if you think about how many things have changed in a bad way in 15+ years of wow

[@dommart4697]

I haven't even started the video yet, but I just wanted to say you're videos always make me laugh.

[@dommart4697]

oh this was gud

[@KayossSZ]

I honestly tried to get into Classic. Got my warlock to 42, but hours of shouting for help with elite quests and being ignored wore thin after a while. Mind you this is after I helped a bunch of others with their quests. Just crickets when it came time for me to need help. I did eventually solo most of them after outleveling and being a warlock who was capable of it, but in the end I decided that if I was just going to be forced into solitude, I'd go back to Retail where all the better solo content was. If I couldn't get help doing an elite quest out in the open world, what hope was there that I'd be invited to a dungeon or a raid? I didn't really see much of this vaunted "community" I heard so much about. But I did give it an honest try.

[@Ceece20]

I leveled a paladin to 60 to give it a try. Completely solo the whole time. Because literally no one would want to do the “low” dungeons without doing a carry. Spammed cities for literally hours for nothing. Got literally none of the “group” experience that Classic people seem to constantly praise. Never got the paladin fast mount because no one wanted to do the group quests with me. Meanwhile Retail, you can spam low dungeons constantly because they actually want you to be able to run group stuff.

[@KayossSZ]

@@Ceece20 Sounds about right hehe. All the "world buffing" and raidlogging and dungeon carry selling...yep, that is not classic.

[@insanemang9983]

You were probably on a low pop server for your faction cause I have had nothing but positive experiences thus far

[@KayossSZ]

@insanemang9983 It was on Bloodsail Buccaneers. Idk if that was low pop but I doubt it.

[@LadyKeykay]

"the gaming community has matured" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA, best joke of the video

[@ДмитрийГусарев-ж8ъ]

WoW community may have matured PHYSICALLY. But it also got younger MENTALLY. Seriously some 30 year olds are acting worse than actual toddlers.

[@Quplas]

@@ДмитрийГусарев-ж8ъ Behind every toxic orc male warrior player is a balding 30-year-old man who never really left high school.

[@nrieh4553]

Yeah, well....nope. Because "anal [link]" viral chat is still a thing. :P

[@pepsastomna7758]

You can easily mature into something terrible.

[@jacksepticeyesdadisburning7982]

Not sure about the Classic crowd as i don't play it, but i actually quit Shadowlands after 3 weeks because the WoW community is so shit. I hadn't touched the game in years so i didn't know what i was in for, but it seems like it's nothing but elitist pricks and cringy memers. I left and never looked back, and it ruined any chance of me returning in the future.

[@TheHorreK2]

The sad thing is how likley it feels for a "botting software/manuel" in the cash-shop

[@DarkMegaPlague]

My precious memory from WoW vanilla was during a quest in 1000 Needles were u need to kill a giant mean hyena (with my Tauren warrior lvl 24-28 something in 2004). Problem was that the damn hyena was glitching/stuck in a centaur camp with 10 of those damn horsemen and when I pulled one horsyman got like 6 of them on me and they killed me within 3-6 seconds. How did I finish this quest, well a nice fellow warrior tauren at same lvl as me came and helped me because he also wanted to finish that quest and he heard my wimpering in general chat. We massacred that village and left it burning with our HP at 15% and our message of that day was: nothing 2 warriors cant handle.

[@thecauldron2212]

Phase 1 in the undead zone: "RESPECT THE LINE!!" "GET IN LINE" Good times

[@MrStoffzor]

That was pretty much every starting zone, and the crazy thing is that most actually respected the lines ❤️

[@WysteriaASMR]

I remembered this one mage, we technically leveled side by side, encountering each other from zone to zone…I never saw him again…until this week in hellfire, was great to see him again

[@ValensBellator]

0:26 Wow Derek made it all the way to C’thun??? 😂

[@garrosh9215]

still rocking the same gear too xD

[@hayescharles45]

Priests are hard to keep in ahn qiraj so they probably put him there to fill up their roster

[@preds43]

@@garrosh9215 Of course! It was a mix of Shadow and Life resistance gear! Why do you think Derek sucks ass at the Fire mech? Lmaooo

[@MattMorseTV]

GREAT VIDEO!

[@CaptainGrim]

haha thanks man, it means a lot!

[@MorRochben]

The bot issue is a problem in live wow as well, herb bots everywhere. They even go stealth when you target one of them.

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

I had a lovely time with it, only stopped playing because the only remaining content was repeatedly grinding raids. Very much been enjoying TBC so far too! Already had many wonderful adventures and made a few friends too. c:

[@megarachnid]

Good to see people appreciating the WoW music. I would say the music is a very important part of the experience and the best part about the game. WoW has one of the greatest soundtracks ever made.

[@almosthalo]

Dude I fracking love your channel. You do a hella great job. Def subscribed. Keep up the great work.

[@lordcorgi6481]

I still play Classic. I haven't logged into retail in 4 months...and that was just to help a friend.

[@ipsyc]

You hit the nail on the head man When I first heard that wow classic was coming back I was like ... OK this time I am going to be there ,since all my life I have heard and watched all the great times vanilla was ... and then I started playing ... and I knew there were experienced players BUT GOD DAMN I dropped the game after 4 months because nobody wanted to make a random party for a quest or help or chat or anything ... in fact I distinctly remember someone asking me why do I bother with it .. And the very few times I got someone new to the game like me and I admit it was very fun ... i could count the incidents on one hand Min maxing was the biggest problem for me and still is

[@Tython82]

And now you see why the Dungeon Finder/Raid Finder was made.

[@Ceece20]

Yep, leveled a paladin to 60, had to solo the whole time because NO ONE wanted to do “low” dungeons. No one wanted to do group quests. None of that “community”, just people looking to get carried which was so idiotic. Went back to Retail and leveled a paladin from there. Got to run any dungeon I wanted. Got to choose the zones I wanted. Got to choose the expansion I wanted to level in.

[@yanomamo89]

12:30 The best example of the phrase "if you cant beat them join them".

[@burningheart2909]

I have a picture on my wall of my first toon hitting 60 in Vanilla. Good memories! I miss Classic, but can't get back into it. Hopes for the future!

[@chl2161]

Always on point. Love your vids, even not being able to keep up the pace on game.

[@ZickZak]

The "right class / right spec" is dumb. You can finish the raids with 57s playing on a touchpad, so bringing a ret is pretty much irrelevant.

[@XAntssX]

Indeed but most people wanted to finish raids fast as possible for loot instead of letting people play what they want and enjoy the raid experience.

[@slyzetv7850]

I was bench a lot of time juste because i was an enahncement shaman

[@hotarushidosha]

good Lord, this video.... everything you explained... it was like you were reading my mind. I agree with everything you said and then some. I was having so much fun and then it turned into a lowkey retail WoW with ppl scrambling with items and raids. It's hard to capture the feel of how the game had been back then but for some time it seemed to be going well until the hard raiding began. It was fun while it lasted and between ppl's attitudes from retail seeping back into Classic and all the money Blizz wants for things (or the forced sub amounts) I was looking forward to TBC as well but am not so sure anymore. Ah well, we'll just have to see how things go. Great video, hope you have more inspiration for more funny ones in the future :)

[@mariusastrupclausen7888]

That opening actually made me emotional.

[@escobari]

I was so dumbfounded about the amount of people trying to min-max in F molten core....

[@captainobvious9233]

I enjoyed it and am enjoying BC as well. Like the original Vanilla the sense of community is there and thriving. The only thing missing and something you will never be able to replicate is the simple fact that this time around you are not a newbie. (Though I did forget about the talent tree until I hit level 15 ) You can't replicate the sense of wonder at seeing everything for the first time while running around on your Mage trying to figure out where to learn how to wear plate armor or trying to get from Stormwind to Ironforge by walking through Redridge, etc.

[@TheSteinin]

If I were in charge at Blizzard, I'd strip any preexisting buffs from you when entering a raid instance, to prevent stupid min-maxing abuse like that.

[@melissas4874]

My husband was farming in BC, mainly fishing for like an hour just to level it. A GM wrote him to ask how he was doing it. At the time we assumed it was to make sure a person was actually controlling the character and not AFK or using other ways to bot.

[@connor3198]

God dam the min-maxing section of the video is so true

[@SirMalorak]

As I see it, Gaming has become 100% mainstream. And that has positives (telling people you like gaming usually just sparks the question of what game you play, there's very little scorn thrown your way), but also negatives (People trying to profit off of it in ANY way possible, people pressuring each other into being super mega 1337-gam3rzz, goldbuying and botting even being seen as ACCEPTED and prestige basically being gone as an aspect of the game as a consequence). This is a big problem that no patch can magically, 100% fix but there's ways to counteract this. Stuff like the Chronoboon is JUST what is needed. I hope SoD goes well. I am having a lot of fun playing WoW right now but blizz is on thin ice.

[@Sioolol]

Classic reminded me why I loved this game in the first place, while retail passionately and vigorously tries to make me forget

[@degenesis21]

Excellent video essay - you never disappoint, not even on more "serious" content. - a game arts student and avid fan :D

[@CaptainGrim]

Haha thanks for the support! It means a lot :)

[@BaldoTheHuman]

Phase 2...... Never forgive and never forgetty

[@dangarlo2160]

Thank you Grim for all the Videos. You should get a statue at the gates of Stormwind City. 👍

[@nickmagrick7702]

I chose ret paladin when I first started playing wow back in classic and id choose it again. Fun pvp class too

[@atishdowlat1058]

I think u mean the best pvp classic when it comes to all round good like a druid is too

[@nickmagrick7702]

@@atishdowlat1058 shamman was probably best in pvp, then druid, then warr if they were good Pally is only good if you get super lucky with procs, and can actually get into melee range

[@nikola4107]

I love that ret paladin part so much !

[@nikola4107]

haha funny , funny : )

[@margotrosendorn6371]

Classic is a nice change of pace from retail, but I really get stuck when trying to get a dungeon or raid group. That content may as well not exist

[@Ceece20]

Yep same with me. Got to level 60 completely solo because no one wanted to group for dungeons or group quests. I don’t see any of that “community” anywhere.

[@Magnum__Dong]

Beginning of Classic was fun but I hated how everyone already knew the best classes/strats for leveling and dungeons. Leveling a mage i would get invited to dungeon groups very quickly but on my Druid I struggled to find groups even if I was healing because everyone wants the best classes for every role even while leveling. The game to me didn't feel harder than retail just slower paced. I sure enjoyed classic wow back when I was younger and had plenty of time to play games but this time around I couldn't keep up unless i dedicated every second of downtime i had to playing this game which i just couldn't. But ultimately i did enjoy classic much more than retail. Every class feels much more unique in classic and each have their own identity.

[@Level-ts7xl]

playing classic when it launched was magical. really shows that the old blizzard was pure gold.

[@brotheralaric7177]

i'll probably never replay to that game, but the soudtrack will always stay in my mind. Elune song, i love you.

[@christiangs277]

6:31 my main its a ret pala, and this one really hurt... But bro HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@christiangs277]

@CaptainGrim. hi, has past 1 year, now my main its a Mage fire, thanks for the words. /kiss

[@christiangs277]

Luv yu CaptainGrim /hug

[@theFarticle]

So many lolz in your vids dude. Love your style.

[@simbian5900]

He has a voice that makes the whole video sound like sarcasm 😅

[@Gobro-z1g]

I started playing in Wrath of The Lich King like many others, never played Vanilla nor in any Vanilla private server, so going to Classic was a whole adventure that taught me what made WoW great. With ups and downs, I think I can say that this has been the best experience I've had in WoW, I explored most of the aspects of the game in a way I had never done before, met new friends, and even if the end game content was not the most challenging, every step of the way to get there was worth it. It was 100% success from my perspective, and I am beyond hyped to play Burning Crusade as I also never played it.

[@paratrooper508]

I played vanilla. Do'nt miss it. Didn't touch the classic re-release. This was nothing but a nostalgia circle jerk for people excited to do things slowly and have everything take a frustrating amount of time for minimal rewards. I just don't understand the rose tinted glasses. It was fun in 2005. It isn't 2005 anymore. Give me my flying mount, dungeon group that I can actually find in a reasonable amount of time, class specs that have at least some kind of usefuleness beyond one level 30 talent (looking at you BoK), and not farming world buffs for 2 hours before a raid. I view my wow classic time as the same as my army service: once a soldier... once is enough.

[@ScreamsGeo]

At least someone else sees clearly.

[@Kumigumi101]

Didn't even play classic more than a few sessions but this was very well written and informative so I ended up watching the entire thing.