Did David bring a gun to a knife fight!?!?

[@yeraycatalangaspar195]

About your last point, C.S Lewis condensed it very well “Since it is so likely that (children) will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise you are making their destiny not brighter but darker.”

[@dashrendar5320]

That is an amazing use of that quote. Brilliantly said by a brilliant man. Would you mind if I pin that?

[@yeraycatalangaspar195]

@@dashrendar5320 Go ahead, I just love Lewis stuff.

[@StormRider-t4q]

Sheltering children to the truth of the cruel and dark world is how we got here.

[@Raven.flight]

I think the thing with slingers is that many were shepherds. They had tonnes of time on their hands just looking after the sheep. Sheep are over there grazing… shepherd is getting bored… picks up a rock and has a few shots at… “that stump over there…” “That bird on the wing…” “That wolf that’s trying to sneak up on the flock…” “Two feet in front of that sheep that’s getting away from the flock…” All day… every day… from when they could walk. They were exceptional slingers.

[@dashrendar5320]

Oh no doubt. 100% better than I would ever hope to be if I practiced now until was dead haha, the skill level would have been unreal, but still a massive massive risk

[@lugo5678]

@@Raven.flight I started singing the summer of 2020 and that's exactly how a lot of my practice shots went, except instead of protecting sheep from wolves I keep chickens and there's coyotes in the area.

[@Raven.flight]

@ we are talking about the sling. I’m sure you have a beautiful voice, but not the same subject 😂😂😂

[@dequitem]

If I had witnessed such a fight, all my money would be on Goliath, so yes it was a hell of a shot, that no one could have expected

[@dashrendar5320]

My favorite man at arms. If anyone can speak about absorbing projectiles in armor, you are that guy

[@dequitem]

@dashrendar5320 😍

[@bentrieschmann]

@dequitem You are not the only one. I'm pretty sure majority of people thought that.

[@richardcope9803]

Love that you did this one. Love the clap-back at all the negative comments. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said they are generally unhappy in their own lives and want to drag others down. David didn't cheat, combat is combat. Whether you believe in the religious aspects of the story or not David had faith in his skill, he used his sling to kill lions and bears we are told, and Goliath was supremely overconfident. When he saw David he called him a dog and laughed that the Hebrews sent a kid to fight him. Overconfidence in battle is always a mistake. Love the content and love your humility. Great job.

[@dashrendar5320]

So glad you enjoyed it and I always appreciate you taking the time to write. I definitely enjoy having some fun with the negative stuff because at the end of the day when you look at everything you have it’s just kind of silly that people take the time to try and write things that Are an attempt to bring you down. And fully agree, overconfidence humbles many a strong man

[@richardcope9803]

You definitely seem like someone that would be a lot of fun to hang out with.

[@DanielEleveld]

There has been some great work on the sea people’s feathered helmets. It was a brass or bronze cylinder above the brow, padded with leather, secured by a thin thong of leather just in front of the ear. It left a majority of the temporal bone unprotected

[@dashrendar5320]

Oh that’s very very cool. I have not kept up with that, so will have to check it out and see want I can find

[@thejackinati2759]

Regarding literature, Don Quixote has an interesting encounter with slings in the novel... "Where art thou, proud Alifanfaron? Come before me; I am a single knight who would fain prove thy prowess hand to hand, and make thee yield thy life a penalty for the wrong thou dost to the valiant Pentapolin Garamanta." Here came a sugar-plum from the brook that struck him on the side and buried a couple of ribs in his body. Feeling himself so smitten, he imagined himself slain or badly wounded for certain, and recollecting his liquor he drew out his flask, and putting it to his mouth began to pour the contents into his stomach; but ere he had succeeded in swallowing what seemed to him enough, there came another almond which struck him on the hand and on the flask so fairly that it smashed it to pieces, knocking three or four teeth and grinders out of his mouth in its course, and sorely crushing two fingers of his hand. Such was the force of the first blow and of the second, that the poor knight in spite of himself came down backwards off his horse. The shepherds came up, and felt sure they had killed him." - Don Quixote, Chapter 18 It is all fun and games until the Shepherds bring out their slings.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha well said…when the shepards bring out their slings…all bets are off

[@pythonia5522]

nice one,,,, he knows Don Quijote!!! I am impressed....

[@horonin]

Not my sweet summer child SlingerSam!!! We must protect him from SgtAlphaBro at all costs...

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha don’t worry. He can handle himself 😂

[@t.j.payeur5331]

I was waiting for you to mention that after David knocked Goliath down he went up and took Goliaths own sword and cut his head off with it. When David held up the head of Goliath, that's when the Philistines started to scramble...

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I thought about it, but this was more of a video about this sling and how it could be used not so much aftermath haha

[@bookman7409]

@@dashrendar5320 Still, that does show that the shot didn't have to be an insta-kill. Knocked cold and died by his own sword is entirely possible. BTW Dash, sometimes I send your videos to my (30yo) kid, who's still into D&D, plays every Sunday.

[@StormRider-t4q]

Yes, they did scramble. But that means they broke their deal, they were suppose to lay down arms and surrender.

[@treforgowing2908]

As always, thanks for the great video! The Sling content is always a favorite of mine!

[@dashrendar5320]

You are most welcome my friend and so glad you enjoy it 💪🪨

[@tatecrossette2855]

6:25. Style points are truly the only points that matter

[@dashrendar5320]

1000% 😂

[@DavidOlivier-y1b]

Yo, first KZbin comment in my life here: I think it's hugely relevant to note that Goliath made the first move in the fight, namely accurately throwing his spear such that David had to dodge it. This shows not only that Goliath could see just fine, but that David was in range of Goliath's own projectiles. Also, Goliath mocks him for bringing a sling, showing that, even as a veteran, Goliath had never come across a slinger that was a threat to him. Awesome channel.

[@dashrendar5320]

I am honored to have been the first comment. I fully agree that he was within the range of a javelin and at that distance I would argue. The javelin is the more dangerous weapon. I am sure he faced slingers before as they were common, but just did not take it seriously because of the defensive capabilities he had. Also, thank you. Glad you enjoy the channel.

[@jamesfrankiewicz5768]

Actually, there is archaeologic info on the helmets the Philistines were using at that time, which were basically minor variants of the Mycenaean helmet. That type of helmet is often depicted in artwork as being pushed up and back, exposing the face (and the forehead too, especially relevant for a rising shot with a sling). Goliath probably would have done likewise so everyone could clearly hear him taunting his enemies, giving David an open target. The story also notes that David picked up "five smooth stones from the brook", so we know he was picking his ammo very carefully to do the job. Several chapters later, after David is well-established as king, there's a passage about how David's "mighty men" (champions) took out Goliath's four "brothers" (could be either a literal or a figurative term), so some people like to hypothesize that when David picked out his five stones, he was planning one stone for each of the giants. Lastly, the story notes that after hitting Goliath in the forehead, David went in and cut off Goliath's head (with Goliath's own sword); David did not take a risk that Goliath might come to!

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes, I knew it was open face, but I did not know much other than that so it would’ve been great for a open face slingshot as long as he kept the shield low. The other thing I have heard about the rocks is that you can hold four rocks in between your fingers on the left hand For rapid reload. So that’s like a quick fire technique

[@themartyr9086]

We love ya brother, don’t feed the Trolls 😊 In War, if you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t trying 😅 Great vid 🎉

[@dashrendar5320]

I love that quote haha, I forget what it from. Glad you enjoyed it as always my friend

[@StormRider-t4q]

That's a very good point. Never in history did the army who fought fair ever win. Just look at the dumb pope who lost The Holylands.

[@Poisonedblade]

Two things... 1) If David needed to hunt every day with his sling, I'd imagine he'd be a great shot. 2) Many versions of the story say David stunned Goliath with the rock, Goliath fell down, and David finished Goliath off with Goliath's sword. So David didn't need a killing blow with the sling, just a head shot. This would be a lot easier to accomplish.

[@dashrendar5320]

Very true. I could for sure see someone getting knocked out cold with a sling to the head even with a Helmet

[@MrSquigglies]

I like the theory that David didn't use a traditional sling but the weapon he used was a staff sling which is why it really took Goliath off guard because it was hidden by his staff which Goliath thought he was going to fight with.

[@dashrendar5320]

I have heard that as well it’s hard to say one way or another, but it is an interesting theory like concealed carry haha

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

From what little I've seen of folks experimenting with a sling staff they also don't seem to really need the same wind up - which would be helpful if your not at real range to start with.

[@dithaingampanmei]

That's a great image. Maybe that's a potential topic Dash could explore on this channel. The Atlatl enhanced the Spear Thrower. So I'm imagining that a staff sling would do something similar. I believe the only time I've actually seen a staff sling in media was maybe an old anime called Spice and Wolf. A side character young shepherd girl uses it, I think.

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

@@dashrendar5320 Yeah, makes Goliath less of a dumbass cus ...I think slingers were relatively common. Everyone would know what a good slinger can do. Now someone which goes to a duel with just a long thick stick, a person like that has to be stupid and crazy, especially a smaller and scrawnier dude.

[@dashrendar5320]

I can work on constructing a conceal carry staff sling 😂 that would be cool

[@jonathanh4443]

There is a theory that Goliath was a Pituitary Giant similar to Andre the Giant and most likely had 'poor vision'. If this is true Goliath probably didn't even see David wind up the sling. Glad to see you put Gladwell's thing on it in there. His point on David being confident in his ability to hit Goliath came from him being a shepherd that probably spent his childhood being bored and spending his day slinging rocks at the empty Coors bottles that the teenagers left out in the fields after a night of drinking...that he wasn't invited to. History question, were slingers a known thing before David and Goliath?

[@dashrendar5320]

Most assuredly. The earliest known known cave drawings reflecting someone using what appears to be a sling was 7500 years ago. They’re hard to confirm due to the fact they are biodegradable, but that’s the first instance we have of them in the record.

[@deandavisusa]

Goliath of Gath was a Rephaim giant... a descendant of the Nephillim giants of Genesis 6...

[@NavySturmGewehr]

Sometimes I get the urge to make a sling video because of you. I'm just not charismatic or fit!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha well the world needs more sling videos my friend. 💪🪨 I say give it a try

[@demoncore5342]

You have a point man, we need heroes more than ever.

[@dashrendar5320]

I may be getting old but I feel like it’s getting truer and truer every year

[@mrcaster98]

the quality of production, comedy and content increases with every passing video! well done friend, im sure you've seen the videos of those fancy 360 shots where the sling is cracking like a whip. do you find that technique gives significantly more power? if so is there a more militant way to generate similar increases in power?(thinking about volley fire) and is there any historical precedence for that technique being used?

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks so much man. It means a lot and I really appreciate that. I’ve been trying to put a lot more effort into it certainly is for the whip. That’s actually more of just a trick so to speak you tie a small piece of string on the end of it and it creates a whip affect I have a sling that will do that. As far as the fancy 360 stuff, I think you can get it further for sure but I don’t know of any historical precedent.

[@mrcaster98]

@@dashrendar5320 oh hey right on, thanks for the info. Ya know I dont care what Sgt Alpha says about you. You're pretty alright.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahah thanks my friend, you are a real one 💪🪨🏹

[@ynk_8]

Great content, as always, sire!

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you my friend! Always glad to hear you enjoyed it

[@thefatefulforce8887]

Great vid once again Dash.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks man greatly appreciated!

[@danw6407]

You can get okay with a bow in a few months, getting okay with a sling is measured in years. Slings are hard to aim. There is a reason most ancient armies used bows instead.

[@dashrendar5320]

I for one can fully second that haha. Man…it’s hard 😂

[@daveslaughter8290]

To elaborate on a previous comment, this battle was actually discussed by an endocrinology professor of mine in med school. Pituitary giants have a pituitary tumor which releases abnormal amounts of growth hormone. As the tumor enlarges it produces compression of the optic nerves going through the optic chasm, resulting in deceased lateral vision, or "tunnel vision". The tumor can also cause the gland to decrease production of things like thyroid stimulating hormone, gonadotropins and ACTH. I suspect Goliath, if he had such a tumor which seems likely, suffered from chronic headaches, lethargy and slowness due to hypothyroidism, and decreased libido, and probably felt like crap. Having said that, enormous size can compensate for a lot of other problems. We will never know for sure but maybe that increases the fun of speculation.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I’ve heard about that as well, it adds an element to the story certainly but I think the most fun, like you alluded to, is just the speculation about the history and stories. We can all interpret it in our own way and it’s fun to see all the wrinkles.

[@mnk9073]

Single combat aka Champion warfare did depend on a unspoken or pre-arranged agreement that both champions would pull up with a matching panoply. Most of the time this was the homeric "usual" of javelin, spear, shield and sword as well as armour. Just like duels much later depended on gentlemen's agreements to use sabres or pistols, how many paces one would stand apart and how many shots would be fired. So yeah, David essentially pulled up to a napoleonic sabre duel with a baker rifle and smoked his opponent at 150 yards. Not even a proper bastard like Sharpe would do that.

[@dashrendar5320]

To that as I said in the video, it really is not equivalent in my opinion. The difficulty of mastering a sling and taking that shot is borderline crazy now obviously I am not near as good as ancient singers, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that skill with a sling is a substantially more developed skill than simply a gun and it’s a one shot chance. All you need to do is throw up that shield and move up close slowly

[@darrinrebagliati5365]

Except when you add the characters involved and compare them. On one hand you have Goliath: a Champion and therefore a storied and seasoned veteran Giant in battle armor bearing weapons of war. On the other you have David: a Shepherd boy with nothing but a sling, a shepherds staff and possibly a dagger and tunic with a rope for a belt andxa ssckful of rocks If they were to actually meet in hand to hand combat, David would not have a chance. He still had to be within reach to hit Goliath with a sling and kill him, as Dash just showed, so Goliath could've used his spear or his shield to defend himself. He was likely boasting that he'd already won and was beating his chest and roaring leaving himself open to the oneshot kill. I'd even argue that David had more actual kills than Goliath before their fight because David had to hunt for his food and to protect his flock. In my opinion Goliath threw his honor away by accepting the fight and got what he deserved. If he was a true champion and a honorable man he wouldn't have been there and got the swift death that he deserved as a champion. I say this as a man that could have been considered as a giant of the day.

[@mnk9073]

@@darrinrebagliati5365 If you step onto the football pitch you agree to play football by football rules. Don't get me wrong David was smart because that was the only way he could win and the shot was impressive af but they signed him up for a proper duel in accordance with the usual rules which he completely disregarded and therein lies the cheating. Saul was supposed to take Goliath's challenge but chickened out last minute, Goliath then stepped further towards the army repeating the challenge and depending on your translation and source David basically just ducked out of the ranks sling ready and essentially ambushed him with the shot. It reads very much like that famous Indiana Jones scene at the bazaar.

[@darrinrebagliati5365]

@@mnk9073 check out the updates

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

You're assuming rules that are not stated. How do you know what the expected rules were? It is true that some duels in history were done with matching weapons. Some combats were done with whatever weapons the combatants brought. It depended the time and place in history.

[@davel2839]

Experimental archeology, slings, wisdom and humor. That there is great stuff you are doing, in other words - thanks.

[@dashrendar5320]

You are most welcome my friend, and thank you. So glad you enjoy it, it truly is one of the highlights of my week to share and create videos

[@digitaldogs233]

Yes spot on, i think writer's back then enjoyed putting some flourish into their strory, even if some of it was true, it makes for a more interesting and exciting written piece. And wow, your wife is indeed stunning. Sorry but just writing how i see it lol. No creepiness intended 😂

[@dashrendar5320]

100% agreed, gotta have that flourish! And not at all my friend. I have chatted with you enough to know no creepiness intended 😂

[@geogemini8528]

I read that the place where the fight took place is known to have heavier than average rocks due to the iron content. Giving David a little extra kick. Plus, all he had to do all day every day as a shepherd was to sling rocks. I would imagine he was way better than most modern enthusiasts will be able to achieve. That doesn't mean I am going to stop trying, though haha.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, I have read that as well about the density of the rock. Very interesting if true , and again, I fully agree that we can try to do is create some semblance of the skill that was possessed, but it will never be as good as those in history by a wide margin

[@geogemini8528]

@dashrendar5320 Oh yeah, you're doing way better than me. After a couple of years of practice, I can hit a cooler from 20 yards, maybe, 20% of the time. I won't be challenging any giants to duels any time soon. I found a great place to practice is at old train tracks. Plenty of space and the rocks they lay down under the tracks are the perfect size. The shape isn't the best but it works.

[@MrLozer1]

I think he would have serious neck injuries even with the helmet.

[@dashrendar5320]

It would jar you for sure…but keep you alive

[@bh-2198]

A front of sixty or more slingers firing at a tightly packed group of two-hundred spearmen with shields is a reasonable sized target to hit at distance. The real question then becomes how fast can they fire and how fast the other side is approaching. There is no way a missile unit will stop every infantryman coming towards them, but they do thin their numbers so that friendly infantry are able to deal with the other side. In single combat, it depends very much on the distance the battle starts apart. One may only fire once or twice with a sling before his opponent is upon them. Even today, people are able to rush people armed with firearms and succeed; though at a greatly diminished rate from antiquity.

[@dashrendar5320]

Very true especially if what you are carrying would be pretty close to the equivalent of a ballistic shield

[@luckrequired5382]

There was no fight contract so meh. It was early Krav Maga as far as I can tell. :P Reminds me of the Conor Vs Aldo and Fury Vs Usyk fights; David aced it. GG for underdogs. Goliath was a betta! But seriously, people do win the lottery every now and then. And 19:08 sums it up perfectly. Totally agree with your sentiments. Who you got in the Fury vs Usyk rematch?

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha true true, no officiating body governing the fights. As for fury I am not sure. He is amazing but it looks like he is not as crisp as he was

[@soldat88hun]

How much does the shape of the rock matters? Is it spinning in flight? It would be interesting to see if something like a golf ball would have a better accuracy.

[@dashrendar5320]

Shape is very important also depending on the sling type, split pound needs oval shaped and hammock slings round and smooth are best

[@StormRider-t4q]

I find oval works best, as it has the well fitting and aerodynamics of round, but with more mass.

[@danisaz7405]

I think that it is possible, just really hard. That's why it becomes a legend. If it was just like cheating, nobody would remember it. Leaving that topic aside, leaving an enemy without a helmet with just one stone, even if the enemy is not hurt, is a huge advantage I'm warfare!

[@dashrendar5320]

I would agree. If it was something that was frowned upon it wouldn’t be used as a way to bolster up someone’s reputation. And yes, no helmet is death, no matter how cool you think you look 😂

[@grbdevnull5611]

It's okay; I'm 5'7", so I have long way to go before I have value.

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha short kings are still kings 👑

[@StormRider-t4q]

Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this, I was in youtube jail. 💪 Raaaaaah! Fight the power! Anyway technically Goliath could have just chosen not to accept him as his challenger. All he did was test if David really was the challenger he was waiting for. The one Hebrew in the entire army who still had faith in their God.

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha the infamous KZbin jail! Yeah the story as it’s laid out does not give a lot about the terms of single combat etc…we can really just compare weapons and types and have fun speculating

[@LeftCatcher]

One thing that is overlooked a lot, is that using a sling to hunt small game was common amongst boys at that time, in that area. David was probably really good, and probably had also dealt with charging predators to protect his flock. Very skilled, a little cocky, and just stupid enough to be brave. A smarter man would've reasoned himself into fear and performed to a lesser standard. But one only needs to look at "shock & awe" or "blitzkrieg" to know that the age old parable of "fortune favors the bold" rings true. "Nothing a little luck and a good blaster can't handle."

[@wickdghost3639]

I believe that David didn't use a regular sling either. I believe he used a staff sling. Goliath is said to have questioned David's bringing of stones and a stick. And if you've ever used a staff sling, once you've got it set up and you use it a hand full of times, it's sooo easy to use accurately, and you can hurl larger stones, a lot harder too. And with David being a keeper of the flock, he had a lot of practice with his slings. Just a thought I wanted to put out there

[@mattdefreitas525]

For me that's Kevin sorbos Hercules. I take on the values he has and apply them in my own life. I love the David vs Goliath story's, I don't doubt it happend or could happen. He must of knocked the helmet off and then killed him haha. They must of practised all day and night because it's damn hard to be accurate with the sling. Love the intro 😂 what a way to get even with the nasty commenters..... Best way to do it, very classy and hilarious dash 😂

[@dashrendar5320]

That’s amazing. Man that show takes me back, I love the shared social community history We have with media presence and fictional characters giving guidance in daily life. It’s such a fun cool uniquely human thing. Also glad you enjoy the intro. I had a great time making that one.

[@mattdefreitas525]

@@dashrendar5320 it's weird it happens but I guess when we watch them they activate parts of ourselves that crave or aspire to be similar. I guess we all want to be heroes in our own right. I know I do haha. I'm training my butt off and gonna dress like him for comic con too hahah. Did my first sprint Trainning session last night, first time in over 8 years

[@lovelandfrog5692]

“Has never actually been with a woman” took me OUT

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha I gave myself quite the chuckle with that one

[@yeraycatalangaspar195]

If we are also talking about the Iliade, the stones killed a godly amount of people too, not with slings, but in sheer badasery, take that stone to kill each other way.

[@dashrendar5320]

Dude I know haha. Just straight throwing stones and mercing people

[@joranfokker7477]

I mean David fought of lions and bears But also david was lucky or blessed enough to hit Goliath between the eyes

[@dashrendar5320]

He certainly had no lack of skill with the sling or bravery, but when it comes to actual combat experience versus a person, I would still say he is very much a novice in this battle

[@markbreidenbaugh6033]

As for the fear it did say that he killed a bear and a lion I would say that would be roughly equivalent life and death situation. At the very least he had been tested to a point.

[@dashrendar5320]

I agree, tested for sure so not a novice in all things. However, getting in a one on one with only one result or one outcome is going to probably be a different experience. I would imagine more akin to hunting versus fighting. But that’s just my take on it. We can never be certain for sure but inexperienced in single combat and war for sure.

[@philipcohrs7498]

"I am one inch away from having value as a man..." ouch

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahaha

[@VonDorn1887]

Do not let the truth get in the way of a good story. We need heroes.

[@dashrendar5320]

Indeed we do

[@elacosasosa553]

Whether it's real or not, David was lucky enough to give a critical blow and on top of that to his HEAD, just like in fallout or lol, 💥💯👀💪🗿 anyway, nice video, and especially that reflection at the end of the video. PD: seeing Luke or Jones be a shadow of what they were before hurts too much, and the orcs having families and being good, or seeing Galadriel being an ancient elf behaving like a girl, makes me think that Tolkien must be wallowing in his grave 🩻

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend. Glad you enjoyed it and yeah, I am sure he would be less Than thrilled by the way things have turned out for his universe and the lore at large

[@WhatIfBrigade]

As an anthropology major I find the concept of "cheating" in combat in that era dubious. If either combatant had shown up with a war elephant, what are you going to do? Ask the ref for a penalty? The only cheating David did was with his subordinate's wife.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahahaha that last part was absolutely epic!

[@OfftheMarkOfficial]

Honestly, it’s better to be both a lover of medieval warfare and modern. I enjoy both. I wish that I had the time and money to purchase the kit you’ve got and start practicing with it. Honestly, I think you should try and connect with the Shadiversity guys. I think you’d both have some good takes on older techniques and warfare.

[@dashrendar5320]

I agree. Honor the past but respect the present as well. Would be very fun to team up with some dudes one day honestly. But travel is hard with actual work and kiddos..maybe one day

[@OfftheMarkOfficial]

@ I’ve got two of my own. I understand the struggle. I’m definitely more of a gun nut these days. But I grew up reading about the longbow, the Welsh, and all about the Middle Ages. There’s a certain aesthetic and feel of looking at plate armor, a bow, or a sword and shield that just appeals to me on a certain level.

[@grbdevnull5611]

Excellent moral to the story.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thank you, my friend. Glad you enjoyed that.

[@Garfield91076]

The comment about no true/paragon type heroes anymore in pop culture is pretty interesting. I haven't really thought that much about it before, probably since I generally like characters that have had to make hard decisions for the right or wrong reasons. I wonder if its possible that writers have just gotten bored of making heroes and villains that aren't morally grey. Maybe its easier to write an interesting grey area character than it is an interesting extreme one way or the other. Could also just be that extremes are hard to relate to. Don't know where I'm going with this, but it seems like for all time so many stories were pure good vs pure evil and that's changed significantly in the past 20 years.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, it is an odd recent development. I don’t know if it’s a social conscious movement or what but I tend to enjoy the more black and white stories because life is pretty grey, but stories can have true heroes and true villains.

[@tatecrossette2855]

What's the lore of the Dash Extended Universe?

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha I will have to expound upon that at a later date

[@tatecrossette2855]

@@dashrendar5320 Sweet. I'll look forward to it

[@tomholroyd7519]

Since you mentioned it, "At last it is finally dawn under the mountain!" -- something no dwarf king said, ever. Those writers just destroyed the original completely, forget "retcon" it was just a "con"

[@dashrendar5320]

It was bad bad…i try to not be over negative but man….that was hard fathom that it actually happened. More like shock

[@Alexalicious]

You just KNOW the guy making the HRT comment has a Vegeta hairline XD Also your final speech; chef's kiss~!

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha the daddy of all widows peaks! That’s a man’s hair right there!! Also thank you for that, glad you enjoyed the sentiment

[@briannamorgan4313]

Just because David took a gun to a knife fight doesn't mean he was cheating. To win in hand-to-hand combat against Goliath he would have needed far greater skill than was needed with a sling. To kill Goliath with a sling he just needed the accuracy and maybe some luck to hit the right spot. In hand-to-hand combat he would have needed the skill and speed to get through Goliaths armor with no chance of competing with his strength. Using a sling David at least had a chance to run away if he missed.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah, if it resorted to hand to hand, I guarantee he would not have won that conflict based on the weaponry brought. Basically you have the height of military technology against string and a rock slings were certainly common and if they were that devastating they would have been used in every single combat probably

[@briannamorgan4313]

@@dashrendar5320 It may have been a string and a rock, but it was used for a thousand years after the story of David and Goliath was supposed to take place. The Romans are most likely responsible for the phasing out of the sling in combat as the Marian Reform in 107BC replaced slingers with pilum, javelin, and archery. It took the advent of iron and steel armor (which could definitely block a stone) to completely invalidate the sling as a weapon of war.

[@joranfokker7477]

When did your long form videos got good, enjoying the content 👍

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha I would say probably not too long ago haha. Been learning a lot and trying to improve

[@gonetoheck]

David already had killed a bear and a lion...so that's some sort of wild combat experience...according to the story in 1 Samuel. I'd heard from the neighbor's dog's radio pastor that (must be true) that the region where the battle took place with Goliath had a peculiar geology...with rocks being very dense...making for great slingshot ammo if you could find smooth stones of the right size. If all David saw were lightweight sandstone cobbles, it may have challenged his confidence in volunteering to battle Goliath...using a sling anyway.

[@dashrendar5320]

I feel like I heard something like that in the past but can’t remember where haha. A good dense stone is absolutely key for sure

[@Desert_Dog_Studios]

Another great video! I made a sling a while ago and I’m happy when I hit a sheet of plywood 😂

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks man! They are a blast for sure but man is it a learning curve…and when they bad days are bad…man they are bad as well 😂

[@Snarlacc]

You can estimate how bad it would be, if you know the energy of the projectile (speed and weight). Google says it's around 50J (I have no idea if that is accurate, 80g projectile, 35m/s), a punch has between 100-400J, so with the padding inside the helmet it would probably feel like a punch from someone who didn't mean it. It might give the hit person some pause though, a "something just happened but what, am I hurt?" moment, less likely on a seasoned warrior though.

[@lugo5678]

Have you heard the theory that David actually used a staff sling? There's a line in the text when they're squaring off that Goliath is offended that a boy without a proper weapon is challenging him "Am I a dog that you bring a stick before me?" The theory says David held the stone close to the staff making it look like he intended to melee fight Goliath with a stick, using the staff sling when Goliath was closer for an easier shot.

[@dashrendar5320]

I have heard a few different scholars and people reference it could have been a staff sling but it’s hard to say for sure, at least I don’t know enough to say for certain really. However Being close could make it an easier shot but really ups the risk factor

[@lugo5678]

@dashrendar5320 it would absolutely increase the risk, but it also allows for the shot to be a surprise by only lowering the stone away from the shaft immediately before the shot.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yes they have a very fast release as well and generate power very quickly. So it could defiantly work in that way

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

As far as the historical nature of the account there are tablets that have been found from surrounding kingdoms that refer to Israel as the kingdom of David so he was a real king of Israel. That's about as far as most historians will say with certainty. There is a detail in the story that I find interesting. There are accounts of slingers that would hold 4 stones between the fingers of their off hand and load the sling with another. When they threw their stones they would load from the stones in their hand. Apparently they could throw 5 stones very quickly. David picked 5 stones for his combat. It might be worth testing. On a point I disagree I would argue that David was not a combat novice. He was a shepherd. At the time a shepherd would've faced dangerous animals regularly. Using a sling to hit a wolf that was attacking your animals would be a pressure that was at least close to combat. If you were faced with a bear or a lion that would be even more adrenaline.

[@dashrendar5320]

I understand that for sure, but I do think there’s something that is a little different when dealing with single combat. There are variables dealing with animals as opposed to being locked in a certain death match, but having never done either for real I can’t say for sure. As far as four stones in one hand, that’s a technique. I have never actually mastered, but that would be a really fun one to try and do well

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

@@dashrendar5320 I'm also speaking from personal experience. Fortunately only a small amount of personal experience. I have a theory that the modern way we raise children causes people to freeze in conflict. My dad decidedly did not raise me according to modern norms and I've never experienced a moment of hesitation between training and using that training in real life. Fortunately I've only needed to use the training a few times. I think that a iron age childhood and practical experience killing dangerous animals would be enough preparation for killing people. I don't have sources available but I remember reading medieval writings about preparing people for battle by killing boar. Egyptians and Greeks hunted lions. If ancient people considered it proper training I'm inclined to believe them.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Maybe the slingstone was coated in poison and all he had to do was draw some kind of blood from any kind of wound, maybe yeah?

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha +10 poison damage

[@czarbuscus1475]

Oof not the heretical comment😅

[@dashrendar5320]

😂😂😂

[@Twiceborn_by_grace]

SlingerSam, ask SgtAlphaBro if he’s heard of a book called ‘Tip of the Spear’ by Ryan Hendrickson. 😂

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha okay I will pass that along

[@Twiceborn_by_grace]

@@dashrendar5320 My friend bought it for me for my birthday/Christmas and just one chapter in, it’s really good!

[@Hornet_Legion]

Goliath's spear was probably heavy because as a throwing weapon it needed momentum and front heavy stabimization for accuracy. Possibly something like a whaler's harpoon. The bible said it was like a weavers beam. A weaving shuttle or beam is connected to a spool of yarn. Naval weapons used on land were nit unheard of. In the trojan war ajax wielded a naval pike 33 feet ling. The phillistines belonged to the sea peoples originally.

[@octaviusmorlock]

Not a ballistics expert, but I'm pretty sure most bullets have more penetrating power than a fast rock.

[@dashrendar5320]

It’s based on impact not penetrating power I believe. Like the impact force

[@aaronsantics1470]

Please do the larger ones... everyone has the best if you believe them.

[@duckduckgoose2733]

Keep in mind that David killed a lion and a bear, before his encounter with goliath. Also the bible mentions he showed no fear. It's also interesting that he took 5 stones from the river. That's because goliath had 4 brothers, and David prepared for all of them. What a Chad. With God, nothing is impossible. And finally, there's a chance goliath wasn't even wearing his helmet.

[@stevenpowell1991]

The thing that most peolpe miss is that the story of David and Goliath is not about the fight. It is not even David and Goliath. It is David and Saul. The entire story is a contrast between the bad leader and the good leader who has been chosen to replace him.

[@jylbo]

I always bring a sling to a gunfight. Cheating is ok if you're the winner. Winners write rules.

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha can’t argue with that 0

[@willywantoknow2563]

🤣 to: "one inch away from having value as a man". no amount if inches measured anywhere will help anyone become a man. Stature of the heart is.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahaha yeah Just having some fun but good quote nonetheless

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

I'd love to just see you measure out how far you can even toss a weighty rock (perhaps a range of them) without worrying much about precision with your slings. You have enough time with a sling and are probably at least in the right ballpark for muscularity to be a slinger of the past. Which would really give a baseline for how reasonable the historians assertion is on range - no doubt there would be many folks that could do better than you but as David by description probably shouldn't be able to even match you... Not that I'd actually expect the conflict to my recollection of the story to actually been at any great range - the very nature of the story strongly implies pretty close range.

[@dashrendar5320]

That would be very fun to do, I have thought about that and trying to really stretch it out but that hardest part is finding the rocks or lead. I need like a really big paved area I think

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

​@@dashrendar5320 Perhaps painting the projectiles with UV glow paint - even if you can't see 'em in the daytime with a reasonably powerful UV torch they will be the only thing glowing when it gets dark - so as long as they haven't managed to dig themselves a deep hole while leaving no obvious crater...

[@dashrendar5320]

Ah that’s not a bad idea…would be a good thing to trial run at least

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

@@dashrendar5320 I'm full of ideas worth trying, don't always pick a working one first time though. So a second slightly inferior seeming suggestion is to try moving up a projectile size while keeping the mass reasonable and the surface finish smooth. For which my suggestion would be to fill some of those cheap playpen balls with something. As they are brightly coloured and large enough to be easy to see - going to have some impact on the aerodynamics but at the speed these things are travelling and being a pretty darn smooth sphere I don't think it would be that meaningful. I'd probably go with 2-part epoxy for the filler of the quicker set variety probably thickened and made heavier with a filler like metal powder and try to spin/slush cast the outer face in effect - if you keep the not yet set epoxy content moving around over all the surfaces it will skin the inner surface fairly evenly as it hardens. Though to really build up the weight you'd probably have to do it a few times after the previous mix has gotten at least semi set to build up the layers. As if you just pour in a huge pile no matter how much you keep spinning it around it is probably going to stay too liquid to distribute that evenly (though adding something fibrous to the mix should help).

[@nickdavis5420]

I feel like if the sling is how I eat I'm going to get really good but still incredible

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha hunger is the best motivator for sure

[@pythonia5522]

Peter Pan is a compliment ,,, jajajajajja

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahah If that’s the case I will take it 😂

[@Kent4OughtAldridge]

David cut Goliath's head off, with Goliath's sword.... Was he dead, or was he simply knocked out??? How much force does it take to knock someone out??

[@StormRider-t4q]

Testing if I can name a character Fag'nar without pissing off the bot.

[@StormRider-t4q]

Seems to have worked. The name is in another langue btw but English speakers would laugh at him. This is for comedic reasons.

[@fulcrum789]

David was Left, handed

[@fulcrum789]

Try a lefty sling just to see.?

[@dashrendar5320]

Oh man hahaha if anything that would be hilarious to watch 😂

[@fulcrum789]

@@dashrendar5320 I have got to say I agree with everything you said I enjoy the content and so do my kids David did what saul should have done and showed Trust in God. That is what we need to teach our children. Hero's are always needed And for the record 5.11 makes great pants , I good to see a man who accepts who he is and is willing to speak the Truth.

[@dashrendar5320]

Thanks so much for saying so my friend, I am so glad you and the family enjoy it. It’s an absolute blast to share and so fun that people enjoy this stuff as much as I do

[@timesthree5757]

Sargent alpha bro has seen 4 combat tours.

[@dashrendar5320]

Hahahahaha

[@timesthree5757]

@@dashrendar5320 knew you love that! Hoc Defendamas.

[@dashrendar5320]

Till the end 💪

[@pythonia5522]

2 things,,,, first, keep in mind the kids would be playing with the sling since like 5 years old,,, so they are good at it,, or no rabit dinner tonight. secondly,,, sorry to say you are just starting,,, so you are not actually lobbing them rock at full force posible with the sling, I understand you dont wanna knock yourself out,,, but you CAN use the sling with a lot more force. dont do it, for science this is good enought,, it is not a life or death situation.

[@dashrendar5320]

No, it is very true, I don’t pretend to be anything but a shadow of what they could accomplish. It’s a different world when people have been raised on something like that.

[@StormRider-t4q]

@@dashrendar5320 They should go back to that. Trust me, you don't want to end up in your late 30s and have still not tasted rabbit. Not able to help but notice that something is missing in life every time you sit down and.... No rabbit.

[@zachcd390119]

The favor of God is a pretty big advantage in a fight.

[@Anubirai]

They’re just jealous they’re not as talented or sexy as you or your wife.

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha I know I would certainly be jealous of my wife if I was not married to her 😁 she is absolutely amazing in every way

[@Anubirai]

@@dashrendar5320 I’m still jealous of my wife. I wish I just had her beauty 😅

[@dashrendar5320]

That means we married up 💪

[@Anubirai]

@@dashrendar5320 Took me three tries, but I finally found one that was a positive addition to my life lol.

[@Jon-ti1rb]

The scripture says that the rock sank into his head which seems to indicate that the rock was relatively dense and/or slung at a higher velocity then normal. Try to replicate that on one of your zombie dummies.

[@dashrendar5320]

Indeed! I don’t have any ballistics dummies at the moment but I think I could do it with lead shot. Those can generate faster velocity and more density in tight package

[@bentrieschmann]

Im 5'8"😢 I have less value😂

[@ludecom-cz1wz]

Did David cheat? Is David alive?

[@deandavisusa]

David had the empowerment of the Holy Spirit of YHWH... to face and kill Goliath of Gath... whom was a Rephaim... one of the descendants of the Nephillim (Genesis 6)... the hybrid unholy mixing of Rebellious Fallen Angels and human women.

[@gadlicht4627]

The hero part is very important to me like you said. I think people forget two things: some stories were meant to be fantastical including to people of the day, they would be boring and uninspiring if it was based on easy logic and defeat often in format made. Imagine if David and goliath story was David was giant strong athletic man with the best weapons and armor of the day and he defeated puny, unarmored inexperienced peasant Goliath. Not fun story. Second thing is through so many battles and stuff unlikely things did happen every now and then, yes they were rare but given enough time, weird things do happen.

[@dashrendar5320]

Yeah I think it gets lost in the shuffle of trying to discover new things no one has ever thought of reading to much into it of in lieu of interpreting the story as a moral or life lesson and a goal to aspire to to teach us

[@billwendt9571]

Interpersonal psycho babble ain't cuttin it. We subscribed because when you are YOU, you're great. Pretending to be an actor is getting too cringe to watch. Chill brother! Your actions speak louder than words, so just do your thing as you explain the science behind your weapons.

[@dashrendar5320]

That’s fair my dude, haha, as I create more long form stuff I try to find a balance for fun humor and the like. But it’s not always perfect 😂

[@billwendt9571]

@@dashrendar5320 Have you considered taking professional acting lessons? While I am not an actor, I know the good ones do a lot of "Getting into character" before speaking their lines. In contrast, your approach on these intros is more like funny discussions between you and your bros around a campfire after too many shots of Jagermeister. A little bit of that is okay, but after 90 seconds or so, that's when cringe sets in.

[@dashrendar5320]

As for acting lessons that would be cool…but I only have like maybe 4 hours a week to actually do filming with the kiddos and work…so that’s not an option at this point…but I will work to keep it short and sweet to the and keep the cringe at bay

[@conradswadling8495]

lol, again

[@decay79]

If there is any truth to the story, i think it is much more likely that it has been exaggerated in large, most likely if it did David landed a hit on the enemy's head with the sling, stunning him enough to finish him off before he recovered.. It's like the story of some knight (cant recall his name) who according to the written story cleaved his enemy's head with an axe while the enemy had on a great helm, it's just near impossible as i am sure you know well from all your testings.. But stories are told, retold and exaggerated to the extreme. I cant recall any of my bible, it's stored under s***ty fairy tales for me, landed there around the age of 7.. But why was it David was chosen to fight this duel of champions ? Who ever chose a lad with no combat experience to represent his country, i think it much more likely that part has also been exaggerated. But heck if i know..

[@dashrendar5320]

Haha I don’t disagree but as with many things I think it’s more likely to convey a message and an ethos about courage that can be applied to our lives and a guiding rod of how to conduct ourselves

[@decay79]

@@dashrendar5320 That is highly likely, that or again exaggerating the prowers of your warriors, when the weakest take down the feared enemy champion, would make your army sound powerful.. Think either is really a possibility..

[@SoundManStudios]

I think its easy to forget that the Lord was with him. the power that god has the strength he can give is amazing and unthinkable. So to think that David did it all by him self without the glory of god in his heart and with the strength of god in em he made that shot he did what he had to do. And god gave him the strength and skill to do it.