Did Deadpool and Wolverine ruin Logan's ending?

[@SheevTalks]

Deadpool fanboys in the comments 💀

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@SheevTalks Imagine defending what the Deadpool character stands for. 💀

[@Redoren966]

@@SheevTalks Dude your not helping your case because it feels like in the video your not that informed in the subject of the multiverse. Like Deadpool 3 could not exist but a lot of the problem you brought up would still be there. Like Logan being part of days of the future past regardless of what the director says. Or Logan kind of ruining the ending of days of future past. So I struggle to be like “Yeah Logan was ruined” when the higher x men franchise was ruined by Logan it’s like complaining about a retcon being retconned

[@Redoren966]

@@SheevTalks I am not a Deadpool fanboy I am just pointing out “Uh if you love Logan despite what it did to the x men franchise then why be mad about Deadpool for doing the exact same thing”

[@Multiversal_Productions]

*Makes a video directly attacking a Deadpool product* "Oh no, Deadpool Fanboys are in my comment section!!"

[@MovieMaster-98]

Deadpool fans can't handle someone criticising their sacred cow.

[@sirhcx]

15:36 Wolverine's skeleton is covered in Adamantium and it has been slowly poisoning him him for decades. The problem seen in Logan is his healing factor cant keep up with the posioning anymore and it's causing him to suffer health problems and "age". So he keeps an Adamantium bullet because its the only thing that can penetrate his skull if he ever gets so low and finally pulls the trigger. It's also a symbol for one of the last few things he has control over in his life as well.

[@nicplaybr1243]

wasn't it the corn syrup drink that was poisoning him? Rice did say it was directly responsible for no more mutants being born

[@Cornholio174]

I don’t think it’s that, more like the additives in all of the food that has been killing mutants

[@sirhcx]

@@Cornholio174 Adamantium Poisoning has been a thing in the comics for over couple decades. When the X-Men lost their powers it nearly kills Wolverine due to him due to losing his healing factor.

[@trevorparker6400]

​@Cornholio174 it's both. The additives weakened his healing factor, which then couldn't keep up with the adamantium poisoning

[@Liberator130]

How did he get the bullet? Why would the bullet kill him when the last adamantium bullet in X-men Origins: Wolverine only gave him amnesia?

[@garuga1512]

"How Deadpool and Wolverine stole my skin and let my lifeless corpse crumble into nothing"

[@Сайтамен]

How Deadpool and Wolverine beat me with a sketeton dug up from a grave

[@TemporaryTown1744]

"How Deadpool and Wolverine killed my dog and stole my wife"

[@Nvrmind65]

How da fim deadpool and wolverine killed me wife and took me bloody son

[@TemporaryTown1744]

Oi huey

[@Thesavagesouls]

You guys are cringe manbabies

[@TypicalGreeny]

15:36 The adamantium bullet isn’t what stoped Logan’s regenerative powers, it was the food and water supply’s being drugged to kill all mutants by the government. I don’t understand how you think Logan being near the bullet is killing him when his literal bones are fussed with the same material

[@alosim1541]

Is that the reason? I thought it was just the adamantium was starting to poison him over time and he was just slowly dying because of it

[@TypicalGreeny]

@@alosim1541 it’s been a while since I last watch Logan but if I remember correctly in the film it’s either said or implied that the food and water supplies were being tampered with to suppress the mutant genes by the government so they could create artificial mutants they could control, I think it was corn syrup or something else to do with corn

[@alosim1541]

@@TypicalGreeny I’ll have to rewatch it but I don’t deny that could be the reason. I just haven’t seen it in a while

[@zCREz]

@@alosim1541 I also remember the adamantium poisoning. But tbf, it could be a combination of that and many other things hes been thru the past decades, lol

[@netriosilver]

The movie gives you multiple big pieces of evidence of food tampering, such as: A. The writers go out of their way to explain that the food supply is controlled by the same people hunting the mutants B. Mutants went extinct and wolverine got worse powers at about the same time

[@ryanbigguy]

15:36 - "The proximity to the bullet is slowly killing him." Brother, what? He explicitly states that the adamantium in his bones has been slowly poisoning him and has finally caught up to him.

[@brucardi]

Not even just the adamantium poisoning either but also the fact that the food was tampered with to get rid of and suppress mutant genes making Logan more susceptible to the poisoning

[@donovan4222]

I like much of Sheev’s content but he is like the Michael Jordan of nitpickers getting nitpicks wrong.

[@CinnamonBob]

@@brucardi that raises the question of why other mutants still had their powers then, or how the mutant kids were supposed to keep theirs upon leaving for eden and living outside of the control of the doctor responsible

[@brucardi]

@@CinnamonBob as for the kids, since they were technically artificially created, they were probably created to withstand the effects of the food since Essex was trying to create mutants they could control but ultimately failed which is why they went the cloning route with X-24. As for other mutants who were around before the events of Logan there’s no explanation I can find for them.

[@ccelite3782]

​@CinnamonBob the mutant kids most likely didn't eat for days on end until they reached Genosha or whatever that place was.

[@caden2185]

Logan sacrifices himself to give children a life in a universe that would’ve had another 2k years his death clearly still had meaning

[@donovan4222]

@@caden2185 Yeah and also, being pruned by the TVA is a lot better than being killed

[@Gragel_Fragel]

⁠@@donovan4222is it? Being pruned sends you to that hell hole with a demon cloud I think I would much rather be dead

[@donovan4222]

@@Gragel_Fragel I’d rather be alive, Laura’s got superpowers and although I’m sure living in the void isn’t that great, it didn’t seem that bad

[@princeodauniverse]

6:10 to be fair that's actually what happened in the comics. When Kitty went back in time to prevent Senator Kelly's assassination and end the Days of Future's Past timeline, all it did was create a branch where DOFP specifically didn’t occur. But DOFP lived on. One of its characters (Rachel Summers) even migrated over to the main timeline. Marvel's multiverse has been bullshit for a long time lmao.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Well will people realize that writers have their own ways of time travel?

[@DSu77iViN]

Yeah, I wanted it to go away after Loki season 2. I thought that was the point of the ending lol

[@somethingfunny2199]

To be fair despite how messy it can be at least we have a simple set of rules in place. If you change the future: Your universe will branch off. If you bring your past self to the future: As long as they get their memory wiped of the event or never learn anything they shouldn’t. It’s still your past self and not an alternate version of your past self

[@demon_warrior870]

I will be honest, for dofp I love that movie but it has so many issues and this is coming from someone who hates the fox xmen films other then first class along with dead pool films and the wolverine movies.

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

Media should get better over time not get worse.

[@Jackal_El_Lobo34]

I mean the opening of the movie was the equivalent of a scene from SpongeBob. “Am I really gonna defile this grave for money? Of course I AM!”

[@SnobbyBird_]

Omg that’s legitimately what it is and I never realized wtf

[@obaso.]

Yeah, that’s the joke

[@Rhinoxsaurus]

7:41 how is the guy who breaks the forth wall, traveled in time to kill himself twice( killed Deadpool in X-Men origins: Wolverine, Killed Ryan Reynolds when he accepted the Green Lantern role) finding Logan's grave surprising?

[@limoneadeGlass]

"Ironic shitposting is still shitposting" The Movie, The Franchise.

[@RogueCoup]

a think the anchor point thing is more like an allegory to how marvel droped the x-men timeline when wolverine died also deadpool digging up logan and saying thats not how regenerative abilities work are just a joke on how fans said the same thing when logan came out. wolverine shouldnt be able to die but the writers can do anything.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Allegories are suppoused to be a theme in the subtext, NOT A WORLD BREAKING PLOT-HOLE

[@lukescrew1981]

@@RogueCoup Yeah

[@Mortimer_RS]

​@@ArcTrooper269this.

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@ArcTrooper269it’s not a world breaking plot hole. Marvel has had poor to no consistent in universe rules for several decades. You can’t make an assertion without proof, such as claiming an allegory can’t also have story issues.

[@ChawedMirthPrattEnterprise]

​@@zzodysseuszz"you can't make an assertion without proof" the proof is literally in the video you're commenting under. You have to be a troll.

[@WildCharger]

“Deadpool & Wolverine threw my bag full of Flash figurines into a metal shredder”

[@Blazecap]

@@WildCharger “Deadpool and Wolverine dug my skeleton and used it as a weapon”

[@Redoren966]

I don’t think Deadpool 3 ruined Logan unless you want to argue Logan ruined days of future past because Logan the film did that by existing in the same universe that is established multiple times

[@HRGAMES-rw7yd]

Finally, someone said it!

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

They always went back and forth on whether Logan took place in New timeline. The director contradicted himself two times on it

[@Сайтамен]

He addressed that point. Logan was always in a separate continuity from rest of X-Men franchise.

[@donovan4222]

@@ManiacMayhem7256 The Chad “Logan is a good stand alone movie and nothing can change that” vs the virgin “umm the director stated in an interview something contradictory about the timeline so now the movie is ruined and unenjoyable 🤓”

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

​​@@donovan4222 Blame the director and Fox Marvel for not being able to make up their minds, not me for simply stating what the director said. I myself am the "chad" here since I treat Logan as a standalone via headcanoning D&W as never happening. Simple as. It's a good film and nothing can change that, not even a bad multiverse movie

[@firesong7825]

18:58 "Logan didn't actually save anyone. Laura is doomed no matter what." He did though. Just because it required a joint effort by characters in two separate movies to reach a true victory, it doesn't mean that the actions of characters in the first movie suddenly weren't necessary for that victory.

[@BradLad56]

Short and to the point. Nicely done 👍

[@ColeWorld2002]

You could very easily argue deadpool and this new wolverine get all of the praise, because him dying doomed the universe and had the tva come in to prune it, meaning he actually doomed it, and deapool saved it...

[@cookieelement3467]

⁠@@ColeWorld2002 no you can't? Wolverine couldn't have known his death would cause his universe to fade, so none of his actions are in any way accountable to the TVA. And the only way he could've "prevented the pruning was to live forever. Which he physically can't do. That's a horrible argument to use stuff completely outside a character's knowledge and control as a point against them.

[@ColeWorld2002]

@cookieelement3467 Ok two things you gotta consider. It dosent matter if Logan didnt know or didnt intend to do it. It still happened. "Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best of intentions". Second off, yes I agree, the only way he could have not doomed his universe was to live for ever... Its a shitty writting decision that should have never made it past the conceptual phase😂

[@cookieelement3467]

@ Wolverine is not responsible for the actions of the TVA and his sacrifice saved the lives of all young mutants. How about you look at it a bit more logically? Wolverine saved lives by sacrificing his own The TVA decided to destroy that universe to make that sacrifice meaningless because Wolverine was no longer alive in that universe Deadpool stopped them from destroying Wolverine's world, allowing Wolverine's legacy to continue without it being erased

[@JPKloess]

If anything, the best way to honor the Fox movies was to carry on the legacy of having timelines that don't make any sense

[@councilmanbanks6528]

Honestly the TVA as a concept tends to either ruin stories plot wise or theme wise. I’m so sick of them.

[@ArcTrooper269]

This goat speaks my language 👍🏽

[@Mortimer_RS]

Almost as if the idea to introduce written fate in your universe undermines all the stakes

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

Not for me.

[@rennythespaceguy7285]

​@@Mortimer_RSYeah, especially when you're trying to retcon older movies into this shitty universe

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

Yep, It's by far the worst part of D&W. There's like 3 main error with it and it's number 1. TVA Destroying logan+Year continuity Paradox Dumbass plan.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

"Logan didn't actually save anyone" - That is objectively wrong. His universe doesn't end until thousands of years later, so he still saved all those kids, and by extension; the mutant race. The kids did get to grow up free and happy, and everyone except for Laura (before she gets saved in this movie) got to live full lives.

[@Сайтамен]

So he didn't save Laura, the person who he did all of that for. Great.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@Сайтамен Yes, he did. She didn't die, she just got put into the void years later but then gets restored and not only gets to live free and happy, but also gets to live in a world with a Logan.

[@NiklasMJ]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 i mean try to understand where he is coming from, Logans Death is the direct reasoning for her pruning, and if not for Dead Pool she would have spent the rest of her days in the trash world, or died soon.. it still takes a bit from his sacrifice, sure it doesn't erase it completely. But yeah it's kind of a lesser version of what Disney did to Anakin/Vader, they made it so that he isn't the actual person who stops Palpatine for good, only for a while, if the pruning wasn't due to his own death then i wouldn't have that much of a problem with it, but since it is then yeah, it's kinda like he didn't really save her at all, only gave her extra time for somebody else to save her, like Anakin giving time for (can't belive i am saying this) Reylo to end Palpatine and bring ''Balance''... Yuck..

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

​@ShimmyFr Wade stopped that universe from dying in this film though, and that universe is saved by the help of another Wolverine, who only got involved with the story because Logan was the anchor-being, and who got inspired to save said universe by the Laura that Logan saved. If anything, that makes Logan's sacrifice even greater, because: 1. If someone else (who didn't save Laura) was the anchor-being, then that universe would not have been saved in this movie. 2. Wade and Wolverine didn't just save Logan's universe, but ALL universes, since they stopped Cassandra Nova from using the time ripper. That's how I view it at least.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@NiklasMJ "she would have spent the rest of her days in the trash world" - That doesn't happened though. If it didn't get reverted than I would be with you, but it is. And he still saved her "it's kind of a lesser version of what Disney did to Anakin/Vader" - Not at all, those two are not comparable. Logan still killed all the bad guys, he still saved all those kids and gave them full lives, he still gave Laura at least 7 years, and when she gets put in the void, she's still alive, that's better than being dead at the end of Logan. And Anakin didn't actually bring balance to the force, while Logan did still save those kids. And the heroes victory in Return of the Jedi only led to peace in the galaxy for like 20 years, while the kids in Logan got to live full lives, and the mutant race got to continue on for a minimum of a thousand years. "if the pruning wasn't due to his own death then i wouldn't have that much of a problem with it" - Why? If she got pruned for a different reason, why would that change anything? "only gave her extra time for somebody else to save her" - and that somebody else was another Logan... who got inspired to do the right thing by Laura... because Logan saved her. And another Logan got to redeem himself. And Cassandra Nova was stopped from destroying every universe. To me, that just increases the positive benefits of his sacrifice. There are 2 things that lessen the positive benefits: 1. The universe ending, 2. Laura getting pruned. (Both of which are undone), and 4 things that increase it: 1. Logan-2 only getting involved with the story because Logan-1 was the anchor-being, 2. Logan-2 being inspired by Laura, 3. Logan-2 getting to redeem himself, 4. Cassandra Nova being stopped. You could also add: 5. Paradox receiving justice for what he did. 6. Wade getting to save his universe.

[@randommoroccan1262]

The anchor being thing apparently is a self-aware wink to the fact that franchises die after the main character end. Kinda like how Avengers started to dive after Iron Man's death.

[@NiklasMJ]

that doesn't matter, the concept is still incredibly stupid especially as it is taken literally in the movie and makes it so the Universe deteriorates and eventually dies.. and for the obvious reason mentioned in the video, the concept makes no sense at all and has no consistensy to it, and yeah ruining the logic and immersion of the franchise for a ''meta joke'' is so god damn annoying and frustrating to deal with, like was it worth it?

[@donovan4222]

@@NiklasMJIf you’re looking for an immersive movie that isn’t 4th wall breaking and is meant to be taken seriously, why would you buy a ticket to any Deadpool movie? Lmao

[@skyslasher2297]

That's fine for the purpose of a meta narrative device it's just the mechanics of how it works in application are confusing. Even for a meta narrative movie like this its still be confusing in its application. Probably why it isn't elaborated on they were aware anchor beings in universe don't make any sense as is and trying to explain it would just make things worse.

[@NiklasMJ]

@@donovan4222 4th wall breaking doesn't mean that there can't be immersion into the universe and the story.. like what are you talking about? so you didn't immerse yourself in the slightest in the first 2 movies because he talked to the camera or talked about real life events and actors a couple of times?? why even watch the movie if u can't enjoy it then? Lmao

[@donovan4222]

@@NiklasMJ Yeah in the first 2 movies never once did I think “oh no the character of juggernaut is ruined because he’s completely different in Deadpool 2 than x men. Now I can’t enjoy the movie” lol

[@mckenzie.latham91]

17:22 Correction, Shane knocks him out not because he doesn't want him to dirty his own hands but because he is no match for rancher, his foreman and jack palance (whose character is a hired gunfighter brought in to kill the homesteaders) Shane is hinted to have gun fighting experience and that’s why he goes instead because he knows the other guy will be killed

[@conorowens8382]

Your entire problem stems from the fact that you treat the movie like a standard MCU film. The Deadpool movies have NEVER made canonical sense, even when they were made by FOX. Collosus is suddenly Russian in the first Deadpool movie, the 80s versions of the main XMEN make a cameo in Deadpool 2 despite it being set in the 2020s, during the end credits scene, Deadpool uses the time machine to jump into XMEN Origins Wolverine, a movie that isnt EVEN IN HIS CANON. The list goes on The deadpool movies have always been satirical, inconsequential meta movies that make fun of the main franchise. Youre completely right that we'll probably never hear about the Anchor beings again, its was just a meta joke about franchises losing their lead star. Take a look at SHE-HULK. Theres another 4th wall breaking character who, in the final epsode, literally stops the plot, breaks into the writers room, and rewrites the ending. Are you going to make a long video about how that ruins the MCU? These types of characters dont matter, you aren't meant to waste time and energy making them make sense. Going back to your problem with ruining Logan, its a fucking multiverse. The entire premise of the concept is that there are infinite versions of everything. So relax, your precious Logan remains untouched somewhere out there in the Multiverse. Thats why writers love the concept of the multiverse, they can have their cake and eat it too.

[@JcgLounge]

The multiverse idea has been overused and abused tho. We can’t argue that. Like I love D&W but the multiverse stuff wasn’t handled the best.

[@JimBeaz]

exactly in deadpool 2 deadpool says how wolverine died and has a prop of logan being impaled by the tree.

[@medibirb6912]

Pretty all I wanted to say summed it in a nice package. The Logan that sacrificed himself? He’s untouched, this is a new Logan. I don’t normally say things like this, but his point on actors overstaying their welcome is something I just find to be complete bullshit. Hugh wanted to play Wolverine again, so he did so. Logan still exists, this movie was just meant to be fun.

[@donovan4222]

Exactly, you have to look at the Deadpool movies the way you look at spaceballs, or any other satire/parody. It’s not meant to be taken seriously, it makes references and uses characters for jokes to entertain people and that’s about all there is to it. Trying to seriously analyze its implications on the timeline is just a waste of time.

[@OneNidim]

For real. I like sheev sometimes but he gets so ridiculously nitpicky that you can’t even follow what his rules for things are

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

One of the first lines in the movie was like “How are we gonna bring Wolverine back without respecting Logan’s ending?” Ends with something like “we’re not”.

[@butcherpete2286]

I think they could have made the whole "anchor being" thing work with some minimal dialogue tweaks. Instead of just saying "the universe lost its anchor being" (which as you point out makes it sound like the universe only exists while that person lives) they could have had some lines like "...your universes anchor being died, prematurely." (Here you could make it a bit of joke, easy enough) And "he was supposed to pass the mantle to the next anchor being" (that being X23, giving the TVA a reason to pluck her out of the universe but then she fought back so they had to prune her. There you go now there's a reason for the different times to get her) and could start off with a little spiel about "Each universe exists with a continuation of anchor beings, one to the next to the next. It's our job to ensure the safe transition from one to another" (giving a little more depth to the TVA as an organization that clearly represents studios)

[@Zygomatic_Bolt]

Your idea makes sense, instead of an individual it's a line of succession. Although, you have to wonder how the universe sustained itself before the birth of the 1st anchor being 🤔😅

[@butcherpete2286]

@@Zygomatic_Bolt see you can wonder that, but also it's one of those "the answer is in the question" situations. The universe came into being with the first anchor being. Boom

[@Zygomatic_Bolt]

@@butcherpete2286 so like a celestial or something

[@butcherpete2286]

@@Zygomatic_Bolt definitely could have been. I mean it's a comic book movie it could also be like the first mutant

[@minerman60101]

@@Zygomatic_Bolt It could be something like universes only start to diverge when people exist to make decisions, or the Celestials existing as ancient beings

[@viciousbagel]

deadpool and wolverine dug up my grave and slaughtered my sacred cow

[@Logan_Bishop_YT]

Perfect Sheev-style video title.

[@johnsmith651]

Logan destroyed the timeline first.

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

It didn't because it was always on its own timeline/universe

[@ejn8982]

@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS Not if you ask James Mangold

[@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS]

@@ejn8982 give a source of him saying Logan was canon to the other xmen films

[@spider-manunknown9193]

No it didn’t.

[@donovan4222]

@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS The fact that no one really knows if Logan takes place in the x men movie universe kind of proves how this irrelevant nit picking about timelines in movies that are mostly just stand alone experiences anyway is just a waste of time.

[@someguyinazoo]

To be fair the XMen films have had such a messed up timeline I just went with the flow in the movie

[@joaquinmuniz3055]

“What are you? The internet?”- Deadpool 2024

[@overlooting2195]

Yes D&W ruins Logan's ending, but that was a foregone conclusion from the moment they decided to bring Hugh Jackman into the movie at all. I kind of like that they decided to go ham and desecrate his corpse and stuff rather than pussyfoot around it.

[@Blazecap]

@@overlooting2195 can’t argue with that mentality

[@Jose-se9pu]

Not at all, they could've put the Wolverine variant in it, and leave Logan's continuity alone

[@technorue9899]

​@Jose-se9pu and why would deadpool as a character in any media leave it alone

[@donovan4222]

@@Jose-se9puIs that not exactly what they did?

[@TA-zq3ez]

@@donovan4222 no... watch the video... They dug up Logan's corpse, scattered his remains and the X Laura left there, and then made him the most important person in his entire timeline, which then deteriorates upon his death. Nobody forced the writers to do any of that. Logan (2017) is now much worse off because of it.

[@chrisk9001]

I mean, Deadpool literally said in the movie that they cant do this scene without disrespecting Logans ending lol

[@donovan4222]

Chadpool told Sheev to his face “yeah we are goona parody your favorite movie”

[@levicarpenter5509]

That doesn't make it okay just because the character said that they can't do it without disrespecting Logans grave, the writer has the power to just not put the character in that position

[@chrisk9001]

@@levicarpenter5509 then it wouldnt be a Deadpool movie kek. Shitting on everything and making fun of fans and haters is just how it rolls. Its neither good or bad, some people just cant deal with it

[@levicarpenter5509]

@@chrisk9001 by that logic deadpool 2 and 1 aren't deadpool movies, you can make a deadpool movie while not taking a massive steaming hot shit on the grave of a beloved character, God you shills try to find anything to defend this movie let alone defend the movie desecrating the grave of a beloved character and invalidating his sacrifice but I guess it's alright because it's funny right, we should just turn our brains off and laugh at the funny ha ha jokes, God standards are dead and shills like you are just dismembering its corpse

[@jacobhamlin450]

I think the whole point is that they didn’t have to do the scene in the first place or reference Logan as a movie at all but they did cause they thought it was funny which it just wasn’t🤷‍♂️ Deadpool 1 & 2 are great but objectively the only way to actually enjoy DvW and not just have a few laughs here and there is to simply put a bullet through your brain before watching it😂

[@daniquemaxwell5070]

Trying to fit the Deadpool movies' timeline with the Logan movie's is really hurting my brain because of how contradictory and incoherent the events across the movies are

[@donovan4222]

It’s a waste of time, the movie is written as stand alone experience, trying to make sense of Deadpool’s meta jokes and retcons is just missing the point that makes both movies enjoyable.

[@daniquemaxwell5070]

@@donovan4222 It wasn't written as a stand alone experience because establishing that the events of Logan happened in Deadpool's universe makes this movie canonically a sequel to the Logan movie And what makes the movie enjoyable requires turning off your brain or going into the movie expecting anything but internal consistency

[@donovan4222]

@@daniquemaxwell5070 You’re technically correct, but my point is that it’s more a sequel in the same way Spaceballs is a sequel to Star Wars. Deadpool is in many ways a meta satire/parody of the characters it’s referencing/using. It technically is a sequel, but it’s not really meant to be taken as a serious continuation of the story. The only thing that even changes is Logan’s universe was ending in 1000 years and Laura got pruned by the TVA some undisclosed time after Logan. Even if you did take Deadpool seriously, I don’t think that changes anything relevant about enjoying g Logan at all.

[@daniquemaxwell5070]

@@donovan4222 Nobody is saying that you can't enjoy Logan on its own anymore but since its movie is canonically a sequel you can't view Logan without acknowledging what comes after and as Sheev explained how Logan being the anchor being undermines his sacrifice The movie also has some serious scenes like when it was revealed that DP's universe was going to be erased because of Logan's death so the movie is coming across as a continuation with some levels of seriousness

[@donovan4222]

@@daniquemaxwell5070 I don’t really view it as a sequel any more than I view it as a sequel to green lantern or fantastic four or blade or any of the other movies deadpool references. Even though it’s technically a sequel, the movie really doesn’t anything do anything with these characters that changes or directly connects to their respective movies like a true sequel would. I feel like a movie like this can’t really can’t change much about Logan treating it this way.

[@ashertbt7435]

I think this film is too meta about just saying "When central actor leaves - the franchise dies", and asking serious lore-questions about anker-beings is like asking poet for physical explanation behind his metaphors with cheese....

[@tankdestroyerman]

yes but shouldn't a good Poet be able to craft there art so that it works in the metaphorical as well as in the logical.

[@kingacrisius]

Is it actually spelled anker-beings or did you misspell anchor? I haven't watched the movie so I genuinely do not know.

[@dimitriig]

Exactly!

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@dimitriig Isnt that kinda the point of deadpools character?

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo the whole concept of Green Goblin is murdering Spider-Man & everyone he cares, does he be allowed to do that in a main-continuity

[@Hammerhead0276]

Probably also worth noting that apparently according to Reynolds - Disney rejected every script for Deadpool 3 that didn't involve Jackman - so it really seemed like a "Break glass in case of emergency" sort of deal.

[@rosestar1324]

I didn't even have to see thks comment to know that Deadpool 3 had a lot of influence by Disney. I could just tell based on the difference in quality from Deadpool 2 and 3. I still enjoyed watching the movie but I understand that it's not a perfect movie.

[@skyslasher2297]

7:40 Ok tbf Deadpool's meta knowledge gives him some leeway with info like this since he'd have the same awareness as the audience that would've watched Logan. As for why he'd assume Logan wasn't actually dead that can be chalked up as him coping being in denial, assuming Logan is actually in some kind of regenerative healing coma, and the movie needed an excuse to have the Bye Bye Bye sequence (Worth it BTW). Honestly the anchor being stuff kinda reeks of the we didn't know how to get this plot started and a writers strike happened during production and is frankly the weakest part of what In My Opinion at least was a great movie.

[@ZoomToMalware]

Before watching the video (idk how much of this you'll mention, but even without external sources it's obvious): I despise the X-Men movies "continuity". And even without mentioning how all the main movies have a really bad connection with each other: -Deadpool 2 is in a separate timeline, but it's totally ignored. I guess we can chalk it up to "this movie generally fucked up time travel mechanics". Doesn't change the fact that they don't even research their own stuff. -Logan is also still supposed to officially be an alternate future. -However, The New Mutants (which nobody watched) takes place in the Revised X-Men timeline and shows us footage from Logan, which implies these events also happened in this universe. -If Logan truly is the definitive future now, then still, it's supposed to take place in 2029. So, if it's retconned to happen before 2024 (and after 2018 because Deadpool 2), how are Colossus, Negasonic and Yukio just... hanging out with Deadpool? If it still takes place in 2029 and in the revised timeline, then... we have two Logans now? Is Deadpool going to warn the 10005 Wolverine? No? Okay. I know it's a Deadpool movie and it's intention is to make fun of how messy this continuity is, but, idk, it's probably because I'm also a comic fan, there's just so many things ignored "because it's simpler and funnier now" that I can't enjoy this movie that much.

[@donovan4222]

I’m usually not a “turn your brain off and just enjoy things bro” kind of guy…but god damn I just can’t imagine caring this much about trying to make sense of marvels multiverse/time travel logic and getting all the timelines from 40 different unrelated properties right. I really feel none of this affects my experience of the movie at all…but to each their own.

[@Baristapher]

I like it when i am able to think deeply about the stuff I'm watching and it still making sense. Which is why the mcu has been super disappointing to me ever since they introduced the multiverse stuff. It doesn't hurt anyone when a movie/tv show is both enjoyable and holds up to scrutiny.

[@Luna-pk7gz]

​@@BaristapherOK but sheev takes this shit way too far. Not to mention how much on twitter he wastes his time arguing about Cape shit or star wars shit. Like I get debating people but it gets to a point I look at it and go, what's even the point ? Its embarrassing.

[@donovan4222]

@@Baristapher I’m not against thinking deeply or reflecting on the movie at all, but there is a big difference between critique and just nitpicking things that don’t matter like cinema sins. Everyone prioritizes what they want from a movie differently, I just think Sheev may not prioritize the same things I care about in a movie. For example, he starts talking about the MCU time travel rules and “why didn’t Deadpool do this” and even starts applying the time travel rules to fox X men movies that aren’t even part of the marvel universe….meanwhile Marvel basically admitted to the audience all the way back in avengers endgame that their time travel rules are contradictory and don’t make much sense. They are mostly used as a storytelling device, just like most comic time travel and multiverse stories, they don’t hold up to logical scrutiny. So we’ve kind of moved past this fact already, I don’t really like the way marvel plays fast and loose with time travel/multiverse rules either, but it’s already been done. So spending so much time trying to analyze the rules 5 years after endgame feels like a waste of time and it s not what I (or probably most people) care about in terms of getting entertainment value out of the story.

[@TopBurger239]

@@Baristapher Hey I like doing that shit too but if youre walking into a marvel movie about deadpool and wolverine just strap in for the themepark ride at that point. Go just cuz its fun and you want to see some characters do some shit. Deadpool literally goes "get your special socks out nerds" right before him and wolverine decide to fight for literally no fucking reason other than that theyre angry and they want to.

[@motor4X4kombat]

Watch everything everywhere all at once is a much better film.

[@quandalehumpernickle5108]

They could have had a need for Wolverine, but “oh no, he died in Logan.” Then they must find a Logan from a different timeline, possibly one where he went off on his own, and throughout the film he learns how much damage he has caused by not being there and taking up his own responsibility. We could meet an X-23 who ended up becoming a weapon and wasnt saved by Logan but then also get a glimpse of the X-23 we know and show Logan, “look how much you impact the people around you.” This would similarly parallel with ‘Shane,’ as Logan tried to go off on his own, but realizes he cant just give up if there is nobody else. I will admit this may be too similar to his arc in Logan, but its technically a different character, and this could reinforce that character growth and show that across all timelines he struggles with this but is deep down a good person. Similarly, this is sort of a meta-commentary on the way Hugh Jackman left the character, but eventually came back for a final appearance due to his love for the fans and the character. In this version, Deadpool and this new version of Wolverine get glimpses of the Logan timeline, a timeline where Logan made the right decision, as well as a glimpse as the timeline where Logan fully left his life. This way, they can look at these timelines with reverence or to learn from their mistakes, but not touch or affect them

[@NadwornyBlazen]

You do you, but I think you can simply choose not to see Deadpool frenchise as canon to all the other MCU movies, while seeing other MCU movies as canon to Deadpool. It's a high budget fanfiction, but not in a bad way in this case.

[@donovan4222]

Ah the age old “if no other movies ever reference it and it has no broader consequences, is it really canon?”

[@a.g.m8790]

So after an anchor being dies the universe is culled in 2000 years? It sounds like Marvel trying to make Jesus canon

[@lasercraft32]

Deadpool _literally_ digs up Logan's grave in the movie... They were well aware of what they were doing. :/

[@XDX13]

Deadpool digging up a corpse ruined my comfort character even though said character is already dead and can’t give a fuck

[@totem311]

@@XDX13 What are you 5? "Comfort character"

[@XDX13]

@@totem311 are you 5 that you don’t know I’m being sarcastic and making fun of the comment above?

[@totem311]

@@XDX13 Yeah man I can surely read sarcasm through text, wouldnt be surprised if you were backpedaling considering the Valorant pfp. Worlds most mature game scene

[@XDX13]

@ because you know me better than myself. Also you ever consider I picked the pfp because I liked it? I didn’t even know it was from valorant until a few months back. And I was being sarcastic with my comment, I was mocking the comment above because of how stupid it sounds.

[@Redoren966]

19:25 the kids are doomed regardless because there is going to be someone hunting mutants regardless and Logan was the only line of real defense. So you kind of have to argue that there is no more mutant hinters ever

[@daniquemaxwell5070]

If they cross the border no one can come after them anymore because it's out of their jurisdiction

[@Remix-pr4xd]

I mean the only thing that was actively hunting them was the organization that they escaped from. I don’t think anyone else knows of their existence since everyone in the organization is dead.

[@donovan4222]

Idk why Sheev kept saying he thought that Laura was living a “happy normal life” when there is absolutely no indication of that in either this movie or Logan. She said that Logan gave her a life, not that it was “happy or normal” and in fact I would assume her life would be the opposite of that given she’s a mutant living in the x men universe…but again, that’s better than being dead…which is what would of happened without Logan.

[@Redoren966]

12:12 The problem is that Logan established to be the same universe as the x men franchise long before Deadpool 3 if you ask that to any fan they hope it’s a different universe but it is established in the same universe already

[@alex_whiteman172]

4:40 Pruning a timeline sends it to the void, so I think the explanation is that a “time ripper” just erases it from existence.

[@sunsetvibe1063]

So your basic argument is that Logan’s sacrifice doesn’t persist forever. Just because they bring back Laura & establish that she had another conflict years after that story. I get it if they put a number on how long it’s been for Laura between her Logan’s death & getting sent to the void. But honestly if they did specify how long she’d be able to live her own life. Would that have made any difference. Especially when you don’t bring up the fact that all of time is past for TVA people. So it’s left intentionally vague as to how long it’s been between Laura watching her father die & getting sent to another universe. Plus you say that Laura’s been in the void for some time. But what evidence is there that she’s been there that long. Again they never specify & do you really think that would make it any less disrespectful than what you claim. Also, I didn’t think certain things needed to be stated through the use of putting pieces together in your own mind. Like asking why Paradox needs another machine to rip apart Deadpool’s universe when the TVA already have devices that do that. I felt like them explaining that they’re doing this process in secret is already enough context to realise that they probably don’t have those devices. Hence why they would build their own. I didn’t think that needed to be explained out loud. Same goes for the time travel rules. Like why would they pick Deadpool out from 2024 specifically. Even though I thought I thought it made enough sense to assume you’d pick a Deadpool at a time when he wanted to join the timeline. You really think Deadpool in 2016 was going to give a shit when he was still trying to find the guy who mangled his face. Or 2018 when he was trying to be with his girlfriend in the afterlife. Do you really think Wade would’ve cared at all about what the TVA had to say. And the same applies for Wade trying to save his universes Logan. Do you really think Logan would’ve taken the time to hear Wade out while he was doing anything else before he died. I would assume the time to recruit someone is after all their work is done. Especially if you’re in a state of bargaining & you don’t consider logic for the sake of solving a situation. Again, I just assumed Wade’s logic on healing factors was not meant to be taken as fact considering when he digs up Logan’s grave. He’s desperate & is trying to rationalise digging up a mans grave for the sake of solving his own problems. I thought that didn’t need explaining but I guess the people who act like their suggestions would be any better story wise really do need every single world building detail explained to them point blank. And all for an opening fight scene that I don’t get the complaints of. I thought desecrating Logan’s corpse was meant to be a sign that they could never bring back that character back. Whether you think it’s funny or not is irrelevant because there’s still a point to it. Showing there are no signs of this character coming back. I also don’t see the point in complaining about the credits being actual credits. Like regardless of it’s meant to be tradition. Would you really have found it funny the third time round. Plus it’s really bald of you to say ‘God forbid not everyone gets proper credit.’ in a way that’s very easy to clip out of context. I guess it doesn’t matter that Ryan Reynolds refused payment at one point of production to get the film made if it means he can’t also not credit himself in a bit that wasn’t even funny in the second movie. And while I’m here. What version of the previous two Deadpool movies did you watch? Between Deadpool 1’s constant overcast grey skies. Deadpool 2’s ugly as hell yellow filter in some shots. How does this movie look worse than those two which could get away with it because they had lower budgets. Do we really need all movies to have golden hour Michael May looking ass colour grading to be considered colourful now. Is that really as far as people are going when it comes to talking about colour grading. Yes the void could look a little more colourful. Especially considering it’s a place made up of dead timelines. But don’t act like the other two Deadpool movies looked any better.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

Why can’t Deadpool 3 just be a continuation of his adventures with all his friends from Deadpool and Deadpool 2, but just add Wolverine? Where’s Colossus, Negasonic Teenage Warhead, Cable, Russell, Dopinder, Domino, and Yukio? Deadpool 2 ends with a good setup for their next adventure (Deadpool finding a family among a bunch of misfits and possibly mentoring Russell) and all those characters were fun to watch. The time travel mechanics (Cable’s time traveling device) in the franchise was pretty tight and controlled before they start merging it with MCU’s TVA.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Deadpool films should have stayed in its own separate continuity along with Dark Phoenix and New mutants.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

This movie is not Deadpool 3

[@tomiadedeji53]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 ok so I may NOT be crazy I remember reading somewhere that if this did well Deadpool was gonna fold into the MCU after secret wars and an emphasis being made that this wasn’t Deadpool 3

[@DSu77iViN]

@@tomiadedeji53 that seems like the logical path. But we are talking about Disney and Marvel who can’t seem to get out of their own way. Epic flop after epic flop + the definition of Insanity. You’d think they’d throw all their virtue signaling and trying to change the world shit out the window after a Billion and a half Dollar W. But nah, I’m sure they’ll just run back Secret Invasion Season 2. Cuz if at first, 2nd or 3rd, you don’t succeed…. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Jose-se9pu]

It's ok, because Deadpool jokes about people not liking Cable.

[@papermr.magolorguy7957]

I feel like the type of meta humor, fourth wall breaks, and references has just got me thinking more about movies. Not just with marvel but with a lot of movies and TV shows nowadays, even ones that I genuinely do enjoy. It's not superhero fatigue. It's meta humor fatigue. I'm saying it.

[@esshor.]

It’s not the proximity to the bullet that’s killing Logan. It’s his adamantium skeleton that’s poisoning him

[@cogsworther1639]

Remember when not every comic book movie needed to be connected in some elaborate, overwrought manner? Good times. I mean, seriously. Just let stand-alone movies be stand-alone movies. Studios need to stop trying to tie every little thing together

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I agree.

[@XDX13]

Someone did not read the comics to know that these characters literally exist in the same fucking universe

[@devilninja7787]

While I agree with a lot of what you had to say (Not all, but most of) I really did enjoy this movie and I think it was fun to turn my brain off and have a good time with it. I really loved seeing Wolverine come back and wear the iconic suit, and Ryan as Deadpool is just too good. I do wish they just didn't tie this movie into Logan at all, as the concept of anchor beings is just ridiculous, and I hope secret wars just does away with the multiverse entirely and we get a new fresh start.

[@donovan4222]

@@devilninja7787 The movie is hard carried by Deadpool and Logan’s interactions

[@rosestar1324]

I heard that Disney rejected every script that didn't involve using "Logan". It seems like this movie was forced to use that version of wolverine in some way. Heavy Disney interference makes sense for why there's such a gap in quality from DP2 and DP3. I still enjoyed DP3 because I have wanted Deadpool and Wolverine to be on the screen proper since Ryan Rendolds redeened the character when the Deadpool TEST FOOTAGE came out 😂

[@JB-mf9ob]

I see your confusion. Deadpool and Wolverine is a fan service popcorn flick designed to allow two of the most popular marvel characters the opportunity to be in a number of visually appealing set pieces together and allow for visual gags and “what if’s” with little to no stakes or impact on any future direction. It also allows the teasing of or satisfaction of a lot of fan theories that may or may not be used in the future. The TVA is what’s called a “contrivance” to allow the various skits to play out with a little more cohesion than just hard cuts for the next set piece gag. It was successful as a light hearted fan service visual extravaganza that gave viewers a lot to talk and laugh about. It’s not a serious investigation into the methods and implications of time travel or multi dimensional travel.

[@steel7670]

😂😂😂😂……a-are you serious???

[@khamul64]

Fan service? WTF? You think fans of Wolverine want to see his grave desacrated? Logan was perfect send off. Why spit on that?

[@lothara.schmal5092]

@@khamul64Most people did find it funny or amusing. He literally dug up Hugh’s Wolverine. Haha.

[@JurassicGojiFan1993]

As a Wolverine fan I fucking loved it. It was hilarious, but I understand how people can be upset about this.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

I disagree, I think D&W makes Logan's sacrifice even greater, because that universe [Logan-1/Laura's universe] is saved by the help of another Logan [Logan-2], who only got involved with the story because Logan-1 was the anchor-being, and who got inspired to save said universe by the Laura that Logan-1 saved. If someone else (who didn't save Laura) was the anchor-being, then that universe would not have been saved in this movie. And Logan-2 doesn't just save Logan-1's universe, but ALL universes, since he stopped Cassandra Nova from using the time ripper to destroy every universe. Also, the disturbing of Logan’s grave is reverted when the TVA restores Laura's universe at the end of the movie. You can definitely still take issue with it happening in the film, but at least it was undone. A possible explanation for why Wade doesn't go back earlier and save Logan from dying could be because that would risk Logan not become the Anchor-being, since Paradox says that Logan "died in an act of self-sacrifice so epic that it sent ripples down the timeline", which sounds like it's implying that Logan became the Anchor-being when he sacrificed himself to save the kids. But if it isn't Logan sacrifice that makes him the Anchor-being (which I think is the case), then it's not his sacrifice that dooms his universe, but his death, which makes it even more wrong to say that this movie ruined Logan's sacrifice, since he was already dying due to adamantium poisoning, meaning that his world was going to die anyway, with or without his sacrifice. EDIT: The reason why Wade doesn't save Logan from getting killed is because Logan was already dying from adamantium poisoning. It doesn't make sense for Wade to get a Logan that would die soon anyway.

[@windowsVD]

You're suggesting that Logan became the anchor-being, AKA, the being whose existence binds his universe together...by getting himself killed, which consequently also dooms his universe? Dude, just admit that this plot point makes no sense logistically instead of coming up with explanations that are 10 times dumber.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@windowsVD I'm just going by what the movie tells us, if it's dumb, then it's not on me. Logan's sacrifice could've been destined to happen... I mean, I assume that's the case, since the universe was able to exist before he was born. There obviously has to be a reason for why Logan is the anchor-being, and it's either because he saved the mutant race in Days of Future Past, or because he saved the mutant race at the end of Logan. There is at least a 50/50 chance that it's the sacrifice that makes him the anchor-being. No, it's higher than 50/50 actually, 'cause saving the mutant race once might not have been enough to make him the anchor-being, it possible that someone else would've been the anchor being if he hadn't saved it twice.

[@windowsVD]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 The movie never directly explains the anchor-being nonsense because it’s essentially just a meta gag in reference to the fact that studios tend to abandon franchises once the most beloved actor leaves, just like Fox/Disney were doing with the Fox X-Men universe once Wolverine was killed off. It doesn’t make sense because you were never really meant to think about it beyond its function as another 4th wall gag. Again, your explanation makes it sound even dumber. The act that made Logan the very being holding his universe together is simultaneously dooming it. 🤦‍♂️ Dude, it’s okay to admit when something is dumb and makes zero sense.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@windowsVD "The act that made Logan the very being holding his universe together is simultaneously dooming it." - That was already the case.

[@windowsVD]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 It wasn’t? Your logic makes zero sense. His universe presumably existed for billions of years just fine. His sacrifice makes him the anchor being to his universe, which simultaneously unanchors his own universe into certain doom. 🤦‍♂️

[@nbucwa6621]

Logan was ruined when it decided to set itself in 2029. I realised that the minute I watched that movie in 2017. The timeline in Logan makes no sense and therefore requires a retcon of all other films even slightly connected to it. But I understood the quandary of the directors - they wanted to set the film in the far future but they also wanted charles to be alive which limits how far they could set it. They decided to priorotise the aging of charles (even though as you pointed out even that barely makes sense because they couldn't decide which xmen version of charles they were using) in setting the timeline of the movie. Not only did the timeline of Logan ruin all the other movies around it but it also ruined all future possible movies because then future movies timeline don't make sense if connected to Logan unless you assume that Logan is a seperate timeline to all other mcu movies. But the existence of the Loki series as a foundation in the mcu also ruins that because (as you mentioned in your other video around timelines) it just Fs up the whole multiverse/timeline of everything in the mcu in its attempt to tie everything together theoretically. Logan being a really good movie (arguably one of the best to come out of the mcu) doesn't change the fact that it messed up a lot of the universe's possibilities. With all of that being a factor, it very hard for me to take seriously any claim of Deadpool ruining anything when it is the least serious version of any of the MCU or Xmen films when all those films took their lore way more seriously but still messed things up irrivocably in every way in terms of retcons. Being upset about Deadpool lore being ruined is kinda like being upset abou Joker lore being ruined by changing in every iteration in the DcU

[@sleptonitsundays9531]

Bro I love your channel but I’m 3 minutes into this video and I have to stop. Look how easy this sums up. Dead pool goes to find Logan. Dead pool digs up Logan’s dead body. Dead pool kills TVA with Logan’s skeleton and then he simply leaves that universe to find another Logan. The only way they “tarnished” the ending of Logan was Wade digging him up and using the bones to kill the TVA. That’s really the only time Logan from Logan is even in the movie. X23 mentions him later and that’s literally it for that Logan.

[@donovan4222]

Bro started talking about the timeline of x men from 2004 🤣

[@LGigaIce]

All of this just convinces me that time travel and multiverse concepts, while fun to think about, probably shouldn't enter a major franchise. Whatever set of rules you choose are ultimately arbitrary and none of them are foolproof. You can never tell a time travel or multiverse story that will remain consistent in its ruleset. It's futile and I don't think it's a coincidence that the MCU started to see diminishing returns the moment they started to lean on these concepts.

[@ilikesnakes4695]

Same guy who said The Boys is an awful show. Dishonest critic with dishonest criticism. Get outta here.

[@motor4X4kombat]

Isn't that show that calls you a moron for beeing a fan of the superhero movies because they are corporate f4cist nonsense that force you to workship fake heroes and celebrities, and vote for awfull people to get into politics just because of their celebrity status? Words from the show runner himself not mines.

[@poppag8281]

how is he disshonest?

[@Murdo_]

no.

[@tiffanyy6376]

modern fandom video essayists be like: Why are they singing pop songs in Shrek? This movie clearly set in a medieval fantasy, this doesn't make any sense this is a massive plot hole, this movie is litteraly disrespecting the audience.

[@donovan4222]

@@tiffanyy6376 “Am I to believe that Shrek has some sort of magical time traveling device? If so, you would think that fairy godmother would have mentioned this.” 🤓

[@carnifex423]

I think no matter what the existence of the multiverse and worlds and divergent timelines will generally mitigate any impact a movie has. Like sure yeah, we won in this timeline but in the three quintillion other ones we lost actually - it’s hard to attribute meaning to anything when anything and everything has already happened in every possible permutation to ever exist. I guess you just have to enjoy things in a vacuum or you’ll never be happy.

[@keller8821]

idk this dude sounds like a debbie downer. like at a party youd go "ya i enjoyed infinity war" and this dude would pull out a white board and explain why your opinion is wrong. sounds like he had no fun watching this or any other movie.

[@Luna-pk7gz]

He would. Someone on twitter said they liked the movie a lot and he said "it's a 3/10 let's be honest" like nobody asked.

[@ParticularFix]

Yet you come to his video and start acting like he's the asshole

[@ParticularFix]

​@@Luna-pk7gz Because those are equivalent actions.

[@Mightymewing360]

@ParticularFix To be fair he kinda is, this is the same guy who will complain not criticize in any intelligent manner about something that happened may years ago that’s not even of any relevance anymore like the guy needs to move on

[@Mightymewing360]

@ParticularFix Also his twitter replies don’t really help him on this manner too

[@zamn7937]

I just chalk it up to a quote from cable "DAMN IT WADE"

[@mosshivenetwork117]

That's a big oh dear moment.

[@Saki-Malo]

Oh this was a miss. Your other videos are great, well thought out, and well written but this one? Huge step backwards

[@ArishemTheJudge-19]

Madvocate was right, a Celestial should have been the anker being.

[@devilninja7787]

your pfp and account name makes this reply so much funnier

[@MrJedabak]

The Deadpool movies are not to be taken literally. The pruned variants are just the cancelled Marvel characters that were supposed to have more movies but didn’t happen because of the Disney buyout or because they just weren’t that well received. The movie over all is about the rejects and the failures coming into their own, while also simultaneously being about Disney buying Fox and being the X-Men characters to Marvel (the TVA and Paradox being Disney and the X-Men universe and the Void being Fox). It’s simplistic but that’s what it’s about. Deadpool absolutely had to touch on Logan as a movie, I’d say, if that was going to be the theme. The whole “anchor being” is just “these movies were never going to survive Hugh Jackman retiring as Wolverine”, so the movie absolutely needed to deal with that and also comment how it is cynical to bring him back despite Logan’s perfect ending. And it makes sense to me that if Jackman was coming back to play Wolverine for Disney, that the first movie bringing him back would comment on how difficult it would be for the new Wolverine to fill the shoes of the old one (there’s an argument to be made that it would’ve made more sense for that story to feature a new actor playing Wolverine, but if you want to make a sure-fire hit and Hugh Jackman wants to come back, you don’t say no). It’s Deadpool, taking it so seriously misses the point. It’s like complaining that Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe ruined all the other comics. It’s different senses of humor, you either get into it or you don’t. I enjoyed it for what it was. I liked that it made fun of the Logan movie while simultaneously putting the events in it on a pedestal.

[@TheWabbaGhoul]

While I agree with most of your points, it reallyyy hard to not just see the Logan movie in a vacuum. With all the dumbass time-travel shit that every super hero movie pulls, I could never unironically rewatch Logan and think "this is all worthless" or something like that, to which I am happy. I think the anchor being concept is holy shit levels of terrible, but the idea that his death "doomed the universe", i.e making his sacrifice pointless, is dumb only in the sense that the universe is *supposed* to be around for another 2000 years, so every kid including Laura would have been able to live a long happy life. Anchor beings are dumb, the pruning is dumb, it's really hard to see the deadpool movies as anything other than in their own universe, there's sooo much bullshit that I'm surprised you tackled all the subjects in this video, but I respect the venting lmao.

[@thomasb6283]

Don't forget whenever Wolverine takes a sh*t he's creating an alternate timeline because what if he waited to sh*t? Something to think about

[@yamummyyummy4785]

wow, you really can't take a joke, can you?

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

What I dont get is that a real bullet would work just as well on Logan if he put it in his eye socket, right? If not, his healing factor would regenerate his brain regardless of the bullet, as Logan suffered memory loss from an adamantium bullet to the skull in xmen origins

[@konstancemakjaveli]

This is just contrarianism by this point lol "Modern thing bad, old thing good"

[@SheevTalks]

You think Logan is old?

[@konstancemakjaveli]

@@SheevTalks when Logan came out, it was just as old today, as supernatural season 5. So yes, i consider it old, especially when you are so easy to criticize new media such as Boys only bcuz its profitable to do it now.

[@SheevTalks]

@@konstancemakjaveli Alternative explanation: both Deadpool and Wolverine and The Boys are badly written and I wanted to explain why

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

@@konstancemakjaveli the boys isn't new

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@SheevTalksBoth aren’t bad.

[@mildlydazed9608]

With most of the videos on the channel being negative I'm starting to wonder if there's anything Sheev actually enjoyed in the past year lol

[@full-timeanimeman4341]

Movie viewers are engaged in the act of providing critical feedback.

[@mysteria_a]

Yay, new Sheev video I'll rewatch 20 times

[@righteousham]

In regards to Laura, considering she's a clone of Logan, it's very probable she looks younger than she actually is. Not that this helps with the slew of other issues you've mentioned, but as Laura never specifies her age during Deadpool and Wolverine, it's entirely possibly she could be in her thirties or forties. So when she states that she was able to grow up, this might not have been a gaff but the actual truth.

[@KorrinBeck]

But it didn't. The ending is still intact and it doesn't change any outcome. Nothing you say changes that and even admit it in the beginning basically.

[@TA-zq3ez]

At least you admitted you didn't reach the latter stages of this video.

[@KorrinBeck]

@@TA-zq3ez I absolutely finished it and nothing he said changed what he said in the beginning. At least you've admitted you don't have language comprehension skills.

[@pyromanic8]

His point later on is that, introducing Logan as an anchor being means the kids are doomed no matter what - if he sacrifices himself, the world ends, if he doesn't, they die. There is nothing he can do to give those kids a better life now

[@TA-zq3ez]

@@KorrinBeck He said Laura did not get to live much of a life because she was pruned and sent to the void. Are you dense or just deliberately ignoring what was said in the video?

[@ammonite0257]

@@TA-zq3ez bro is the biggest Deadpool meatrider

[@Toshiro93]

Since first watching Logan, I've only had one complaint: the absence of Liev Schreiber (Sabertooth). It would have been a great way to recover his character, put him as X-24/lobotomized version of Wolverine (showing how he sold his soul to the devil in order to have the adamantium too) and in the end the two died each other, passing the witness to Laura.

[@windandfireproductions5358]

I heard he was supposed to be in the movie but was filming something else a the time

[@channel45853]

wish they also included deadpool from xmen orgins, i really think it would have been funny and entertaining to have him as a member of cassandra nova's team, and he could even reference deadpool shooting him in the head, as he could be from the original xmen movie timeline

[@Daigunbrig]

If Deadpool and wolverine has no haters I'm dead and buried

[@Sousabird]

That's so needlessly extreme. I dig it.

[@lukescrew1981]

Very funny

[@BleachIsYum]

To be fair they did say they wouldn't weren't going to have Wolverine in the movies without ruining the ending. So at least they were upfront about it

[@trans_ben_shapiro]

you really are just a hater, huh? respect a lot of your opinions but you just can't enjoy something if "muh timeline" is just a little bit imperfect

[@user-lo3wv2be7e]

Yessir sheev uploaded preciate it my guy

[@COOLAUSTINO]

dude, it’s a Deadpool movie, this is like doing a serious critique of a Garfield strip lmao

[@spider-manunknown9193]

😂

[@donovan4222]

Imagine having a parody of Logan ruin Logan for you

[@exylos_m]

youre a special one arent you?

[@j.jonahjoestar7924]

Bro didn't watch deadpool in ages if he thinks it's just an SNL skit. Deadpool has many serious moments that you can take seriously e.g Deadpools first fight with Francis, Deadpool stopping himself from talking to Vanessa, Vanessa's death.

[@COOLAUSTINO]

@@j.jonahjoestar7924 i've been reading the comics since the 90's and something i can tell you about all marvel/super hero content in general. it's not real and not that serious lolol

[@Maximus-z8y]

Loved the movie. Subscribed today. Agreed with mostly everything you said. However, I happen to like the opening credits scene so I tuned the video out halfway through. Absolute masterpiece, Sheev. 10/10

[@controlroomguy]

This is what lack of grass does to you

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@controlroomguy omg 🤣

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

Hilarious hearing that come from a Deadpool fan

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

Quite the opposite. I'd say he's been smoking too much

[@jonny.prime.the.collector]

@@ManiacMayhem7256bros allergic to grass 😂

[@donovan4222]

The virgin “I can no longer enjoy Logan because a separate movie said the universe would end in 1000 years 🤓” Vs The chad “Logan is a great stand alone movie experience and my enjoyment can’t really be changed 🗿”

[@hrafnagu9243]

I didn't have any issue with the movie myself. It doesn't make me look at Logan any different after watching it at all.

[@shellsterdude]

While I kind of agree with this videos central premise, I don't think it's true that it makes Logan's sacrifice pointless. Maybe true in a literal sense, but he didn't know that at the time. Sacrifices aren't validated only if they pay off, the character needed to make that sacrifice and from his perspective what he was doing wasn't pointless. Therefore, it doesn't really matter if it is ultimately pointless. This is even more true when anyone in his position would have thought the same thing. If the gods can flick their wrist and rewrite the timeline, it doesn't follow that we must simply account for this in our every action, it's completely beyond our control or ability to predict.

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

I enjoyed this movie a lot and still do, but you definitely gave me a new perspective on the whole thing and I agree with everything you said. Hopefully Daredevil: Born Again continues the legacy of the original series and BY GOD I hope they bring back the Agents of SHIELD. Hopefully in their own film

[@Vaerenn]

You should pick on these movies more. They deserve it

[@drskull.]

20:45 this is also another really stupid point because A LOT of this movie was based around how cool, meaningful, and impactful this wolverine was and how the wolverine that actually assist Deadpool doesn't stack up and the fact you decide to talk about none of that and how it correlates to the wolverine of this film, but instead you treat Logans grave like its mecca and treat the clear and shameless gag scene as something that genuinely undoes what Logan accomplished, which again, it doesn't This entire video feels like you saw the opening of the film along with snippets from clips online or trailers of the film and went "WHATTT??? THIS MAKES EVERYTHING THE FILM LOGAN STAND FOR ABSOLUTE DIRT! CURSE YOU HUGH JACKMAN D:

[@Doddser]

I mostly agree, but the fact that this movie existed at all, as you mentioned, was going to fuck with the legacy of Logan as the last hurrah for Jackman's portrayal of the character. In that sense, I sort of appreciated the "fuck it we'll literally desecrate his corpse" approach in the opening. And if that were all it was, I think I would have been fine with it. But the thematic dessication was the more agregious thing which I agree was unnecessary and poorly handled. Anchor beings are a dumb concept. As much as I can sometimes enjoy the idea of tying meta importance to in-universe importance (like Superman as the centre of the DC metaverse) - the idea that a human being dying causes a universe to collapse raises so many logical questions like you pointed out here that it's just mind boggling dumb.

[@KevinATJumpWorks]

You can't compare those two movies. D&W was fun with a cool emotional twist in the end. Logan was dead serious and I loved it for that. I don't understand how you can let an obviously overall silly movie ruin your experience of a very different, very mature take on the Wolverine in Logan.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Continuity

[@joaocarvalho6336]

He spelled it all out in the video. Watch it, it's good.

[@captainziggy82]

Watch the video.

[@KevinATJumpWorks]

@@captainziggy82 I did. I made a general point since people seem to get so mad over D&L. I just don't get it.

[@gs4011]

It's because (in my opinion) it's just one more example of "nothing can ever end anymore" no character or movie gets to simply tell it's story and be done. It has to be remade, rehashed, revamped sequel-ed, and eventually, its rotting corpse exhumed and re-sacrificed on Hollywood's golden altar of profit.

[@bottleofgreed4415]

In my opinion. While it was a fun watch, the movie (with all the hype it built for it's release) really did not manage to achieve anything really. Nothing was changed, as in Deadpool was chilling, then he got sent to the end times, did a montage, before coming back to chill like nothing happened. The story felt a tad forced too, where the characters just walked up a pageant to show that they are here without properly taking the time to flushing them out, and instead came in and out for the sole purpose of cramming as much guest characters as humanly possible with the budget they had.

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

Loki and the TVA have had worse consequences for the MCU than Captain Marvel or Endgame did.

[@donovan4222]

Endgame basically admitted to the audience 5 years ago that their time travel rules are not going to hold up to logical scrutiny and it’s being used as a storytelling device. So I just don’t get why people are still trying to analyze the rules 5 years later, especially in a meta comedy movie like Deadpool. Do people still care about this stuff?

[@motherplayer]

​@@donovan4222 If that's the case, why go though all the effort to try to make sense with it using the TVA and such anyway? What's the point of putting that much thought into the mechanics if it's just "a plot device? If it's going to be put that lightly, just say the magic bullshit fairy just comes around now and again and causes it rather than putting thought that is going to be held under scrutiny.

[@donovan4222]

@@motherplayer They didn’t go through much effort though, they just used the TVA as a plot device to bring multiverse/time travel into the Deadpool movie. And I think the way they did it was pretty entertaining and funny with Deadpool talking to Jon Favreau to try and be an avenger, then having him steal the time travel device and meeting a bunch of Logan variants. Marvels time travel/multiverse rules were already broken, they didn’t make sense when they first introduced them either…we all know it’s a plot device for them to do crossovers with other characters/properties…I’ve already moved past that fact and am mostly just looking to be entertained by how the characters interact.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

This is why Infinity War is the true ending of the MCU. Half of everyone dies. The end.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp , I would've been fine with Infinity War being the finale of the MCU if Disney just kept Thanos's motivations the same from the 90's comics.

[@ParkerCS2]

I’ve been saying this for a long time: Universes and timelines are not the same thing. Timelines are realities/dimensions that branch off a single universe. Every universe is a tree. I even have a yt short of me discussing this. Hollywood has ruined multiverses by just saying they are only alternate timelines. Just like how they’ve ruined time travel and multiverses saying they are both the same thing which they are not. Rick and Morty, Endgame, and Loki have damaged these concepts for films and television. I want Hollywood to stop ruining SciFi.

[@ArcTrooper269]

You know they fucked up WHEN EVEN THE ARROWVERSE GOT THAT BETTER

[@ParkerCS2]

@@ArcTrooper269 how so? Explain. I never watched ArrowVerse.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@ParkerCS2 Barry constanty travels back in time & changes the timeline, whenever a character from other earth (Like Harry Wells or Supergirl) come to Earth 1, they remain unchange & don't recognize anything changes from the altered time-line because the time travel only affects earth 1

[@ParkerCS2]

@@ArcTrooper269 so characters from other earths can remember the previous version of that universe’s earth? Also how does time travel affect the larger universe beyond each? Or does only that specific planet get affected by time manipulation? I know time travel is large concept that isn’t simple, but still I’m not sure how big it works. Is it like JL Dark Apocalypse War where when Constantine has Barry Allen undo earth’s damage by Darkseid and the being that punishes Constantine says, “you changing earth’s history is forbidden.” So therefore meaning the rest of the universe isn’t affected and timeline shenanigans work differently depending on planets that either receive time travel changes or if people or individuals make different decisions in alternate timeline realities within the same universe. Am I overthinking it or do I bring up good points?

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@ParkerCS2 in the Arrowverse Time Travel & Multiverse are 2 completely different concepts, unlike the MCU & the DCAMU/TOMMORROWVERSE

[@angmori172]

Man, Logan is a hot contender with Joker for the spot of 'best superhero movie' in my heart. They're both so different that I decided to allow them to share that space.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

Both are peak

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

Joker doesn't deserve that spot. Not because it isn't a 9/10 masterpiece, but because it's not a superhero movie. (If you count it as one, you're admitting that genre classifications are just meaningless bullshit.)

[@omarimus2260]

Joker???

[@TemporaryTown1744]

@@PowerfulSkeleton Counterpoint: nuh uh

[@threex0xthree]

​@matthewharner1744 rebuttal: uh huh.

[@ArcTrooper269]

I keep comparing this film with RVB Restoration(on how both try to be a celebration of 20 years of a long runing franchise but fail at it due to the poor writing thx to studio intromision & lack of liberty in the drive of the story choices), & this time won't be the exception beacuse I noticed how unlike most Marvel Fanboys(& I'm talking about the obsessive stans, not about the common person who happens to like Marvel products once in a while) who heavily defended the movie ignoring their evident flaws & making headcanons to defend it, RVB Fans ACTUALLY were able to vocalize their discomformity, pointing out the issues in the writing & the techincal stuff & gave valid criticism on why the season didn't worked(even the ones who likes it), I guess it shows the side-effects on spoiling your own fanbase.

[@MovieMaster-98]

I've been waiting all day for this 😅 I love your takes and opinions on movies and media.

[@Supherodude]

One thing worth mentioning regarding the timeline is that in Avengers Endgame there was a 5 year time skip. If the X-Men timeline runs parallel to the MCU then Deadpool and Wolverine would take place in 2029 which is also the year Logan takes place.

[@SheevTalks]

Were shown that Deadpool 3 takes place 6 years after 2018 for both the Deadpool movies and the MCU timeline. It doesn’t have to be set concurrently with any of the MCU films releasing now

[@Goober12345]

I just hate when fun movies are fun 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫

[@donovan4222]

@@Goober12345 Me when Deadpool has a line of dialogue that doesn’t take into account every intricate detail of the timeline from a 20 year old x men movie: 😡

[@poppag8281]

@@donovan4222 thats a complete strawman of sheves arguement

[@donovan4222]

@@poppag8281 I’m not sure what his argument because he started the video saying he’s not going to try and make sense of the timeline but then spent like half the video critiquing how the timeline is contradictory.

[@Geperd1]

Remember, Deadpool knew Logan died in the second movie. The most likely reason for Deadpool to think Wolverine cant be dead is because he denied the fact his world was dying. In a desperate attempt while grieving the fact his world is doomed, he thinks Logan cant be dead since he has his healing factor, then realizes that Logan is dead and tries to figure out a way to stop his world from dissappearing.

[@misssongbird6611]

I don't want to be this guy; but it's like trying to apply logic to a parody movie i.e. The naked gun or hotshots. Is it frustrating as hell, definitely.Are you digging into this too deep , absolutely. Deadpool 3 is a love letter to the 20 century fox abandoned stories/franchise. Everything in this movie is a joke to that ends. Internal logic be damn . Sounds like you just like Logan ,& upset that they messed with it after saying they won't.

[@bee-zeesoul1018]

How It Should Have Ended is a parody. Superhero Movie! is a parody. This isn’t. This is an official MCU movie with the established rules and continuity of the MCU. And also, why shouldn’t he be upset that they lied? They lied.

[@donovan4222]

@@bee-zeesoul1018 It’s not just “an MCU movie” it’s DEADPOOL. Sheev should be smart enough to understand that Deadpool is full of meta jokes/commentary that aren’t meant to be taken literally and don’t make sense within the MCU. Deadpool’s 4th wall breaks and meta commentary doesn’t make sense in the comics and it didn’t make sense in the first 2 movies either. Green lantern canonically exists in this universe my dude, trying to act like it has serious implications on the stories/characters that it’s referencing beyond just being a joke is a waste of time and kind of childish tbh.

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

I think you can fit Logan in the good 2024 timeline of DoFP by saying Logan was conversationally rounding 23 up to 25, setting the silent genocide of mutants to after 2006, where the kids in 24 would be turning 18.

[@samanthaspino]

It's almost as if Deadpool's entire point as a character and a franchise is to be a parody that makes fun of other part's of the Marvel Universe

[@Sousabird]

Intentional does not equal good. The Last Jedi wanted to subvert Star Wars and did so. That doesn't make it good.

[@TA-zq3ez]

So pruning Laura and deteriorating Logan's universe because of his sacrifice is just poking fun? Alright, you do you

[@mike_diz]

"B-b-b-but it lampshaded that what they're doing is bad so it must be goooood!!!" > still multiverse crap that doesn't make sense and doesn't follow any remotely consistent logic > still disrespects the character of deadpool > the entire premise of the movie goes against everything we know about the character and the overarching plot of the previous 2 movies > the entire premise of the movie goes against the plot of the same movie Oh but he admitted that "multiverse bad" so clearly it's absolute cinema. Btw the end fight of deadpool vs deadpools also makes no sense because ah yes let's all lie on the floor for 5 minutes until he deals with the last of us so we can stand up all at the same time.

[@samanthaspino]

@@Sousabird Trying to use "good" in this context is funny since it's a purely subjective point of view as to whether you enjoy parody. If you don't like Deadpool as a character and a franchise and do not like the thing he has been known for half of his lifespan as a character then why watch or try to critically analyse his content at all? You're admitting that you will come to a negative conclusion about Deadpool-related content either way. If that's the case then simply choose not to interact with it at all, whether from a critical point of view or not. For the record, I don't actually like or care about this movie enough to have a full debate on whether's its good or not. The film was okay and managed to keep me thoroughly entertained. It's not the best film ever and it's certainly not even the best Deadpool movie but it did manage to be better than what I was expecting.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

And I think Deadpool is being flanderized as just a 4th wall breaking, irreverent character. Deadpool’s acting up to hide away his deeper insecurities and how he never seem to be able to hold genuine connections with other characters, not because it’s his purpose in life. He has morals, knows when something is serious, and knows the right moments to keep his mouth shut. Yet as he continues to be depicted more and more as some irreverent character who’s out to poke fun at everything, he would lose all the nuance in his character.

[@matthewroth1]

I think the anchor being was the friend we made along the way