The Frustrating Impermanence of Character Deaths

[@SheevTalks]

“Cobb was shot in the shoulder!” You guys are missing the point. They treated it like a character death in that it was the catalyst for our heroes being reinforced by the people of Freetown, who otherwise would not have gotten involved (as episode 6 states). The people of Freetown THEN strongly imply to Mando that he is dead. I don’t care if he was shot in the shoulder or shot in the foot. If you talk about a character like they’re dead, then don’t be surprised when the audience assumes they’re dead.

[@lemon1797]

herpes 😳

[@sonoftheway3528]

herpes?

[@erikanders3343]

No, the town got involved because they realize that if the Pike will do that to their small towns lawman they need to be destroyed. Small towns are more prescriptive and less revenge.

[@turinturambar1159]

I'm glad I read this. They should not have treated it as though he was dead, that was confusing and... Insulting. Very cop out. Tres lazy writing. Bad lazy, not that there's good lazy, but definitely bad.

[@TinNguyen-sw8uc]

@@turinturambar1159 It's doesn't make sense why cad bane, a experience bounty hunter who once work for Sidious somehow didn't lane a killing blow on some guy that he doesn't even know. They make cad bane a chump.

[@thechuube8442]

"Somehow palpatine returned" genuinely made me burst out laughing in the theaters

[@Woopor]

How the heck would people know the name of the emperor from 30 years ago who tried to hide his true identity and even by his soldiers was simply referred to as “the emperor”?

[@thechuube8442]

@@Woopor dontt think about it tooo much

[@Navajonkee]

@@Woopor I thought it was pretty well known that Palpatine is the Emperor, I mean, we literally see him in RotS announcing the foundation of the Galactic Empire, so he was pretty open about that. What wasn't well known in my understanding is that he was a Sith Lord. By the time of the OT, Sith and Jedi were more or less considered myths anyway.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@Woopor no no no, that’s not even remotely the issue. The far bigger issue is that the death of the antagonist from the previous two trilogies, who blew up *twice,* was undone and then given fuck-all for an explanation. The Dark Empire story line in the EU wasn’t even good, but fuck it at least explained how Palpatine came back.

[@argo9721]

@@Woopor I mean there's way worse about that line than the fact they know who the literal emperors name was

[@MoviesRemastered]

I was shouting "It's just a shoulder wound!" from the start. Boba had such sloppy writing it hurt.

[@BalrogSlayer00]

Thank you. This video opens saying he’s dead but he’s very clearly not…

[@flippy3930]

@@BalrogSlayer00 Did you watch the video?

[@swishfish8858]

The worst part? It didn't have to be so goddamn sloppy. It could have just been the tale of Boba's salvation, learning to come to terms with his past sins, highlighting the opportunity to change for the better by taking over Jabba's cartel and using it to improve the planet (which was never properly addressed), but no. It's a Filoni show, it needs pointless action setpieces and character easter eggs and to be a completely different show for a few episodes. Filoni can't just let anything sit, he's gotta remind us all that he made Clone Wars every five fucking minutes.

[@fabiankopp4035]

Tbh it makes sense for someone to not die from a shot to the right shoulder nowhere near vital organs

[@midnightcafe772]

@@fabiankopp4035 in Star Wars actually minor wounds from blasters are lethal due to the heat created when the bolt hits you causing the area to disintegrate and the blood to vaporize which leads to a ton of issues

[@ianpg9891]

I think part of the problem is that the initial deaths are unsatisfying. Personally I want Cad Bane to come back. But not because I want every character to be resurrected but because I don’t think he got a satisfying end of his character. He showed up for basically one episode of Boba Fett show but he’s such a massive character in the Star Wars universe. It’s a shame to waste him like this

[@AndreNitroX]

Well said if there’s still a story to be told with that character, I will approve. But bringing someone back just to show them off is pointless and stupid

[@Spootprime]

Cad Bane massive?

[@numberone2676]

What story is there to literally tell with Cad Bane anymore??

[@ianpg9891]

@@numberone2676 you could say that with literally any returning character. Obviously a storyline has to be created for characters in a story. The only people this doesn’t apply to are characters that we’ve seen from life to death and everything in between. Other than that every character has a story to tell, the writers just need to be creative enough to write a compelling one

[@nameynamename3758]

cad bane should have been dead in universe 25 years prior, he better be now i love cad bane, boba should've killed him before the empire even existed and reclaimed the fett's #1 bounty hunter status

[@darknessdescending6695]

The Rise of Skywalker had seven fake-out significant character deaths: Palpatine of course, Chewbacca, Kylo Ren #1, Bubu Frik, Poe's love interest lady, Rey, and Kylo Ren #1. That's genuinely sad.

[@thomasgries704]

Eight if you count C3PO’s memory getting wiped and then restored an hour later

[@deadshot5007]

You have to be really dumb then. Almost all of those aren't fake out deaths. The only ones were Chewbacca and C3PO

[@iampfaff]

@@thomasgries704 lmfao what was even the point of that? disney writers are so afraid of permanence, even something as trivial as C-3PO’s memory wipe. i’m pretty sure no one would have cared if he stayed wiped. disney won’t touch real stakes with a 30 foot pole, the finale of kenobi was a snooze fest because of this. kenobi and vaders duel was uninteresting because they both survive. when reva comes after luke, we know that he, owen, and beru are going to be literally just fine. the ENTIRE show centered around leia, and you can probably guess what i’m getting at here.

[@fizzydrinkwoozy]

@@iampfaff To be fair, they really couldn't kill them considering Obi-Wan takes place before the original trilogy, and they're all fine during that time. (Though I do see your point)

[@iampfaff]

@@fizzydrinkwoozy right, it should have taken an entirely different direction instead of making the plot focus nearly entirely on characters of which their fates we are already certain of. and the characters that did die in the show held nearly no meaning, at least for me, because they weren’t explored or even built up.

[@randomspider725]

I swear, Disney is being run by an AI by this point. Who in their right mind thinks that fakeout deaths is a sustainable writing practice??? Any audience they have left is going to wane out with every “whoops, guess [character] didn’t die”.

[@Ryuk45]

those who cry about the impermanence of deaths in Star Wars are the same people who take the deaths of Luke, Han and Leia as a personal insult because they feel their favorite toy was taken away

[@Dookieman1975]

@@Ryuk45 Luke and Hans death were actually pretty good, Leia not so much. The reason why so many people are mad is just that they should’ve met each other one last time and their characters were done really dirty. Han went back to being a smuggler, Luke gave up, Leia was good but she makes choices that she’d never do and just died in the middle of a fight

[@disguisedcentennial835]

@@Ryuk45 because a death needs to mean something and none of theirs did you fool

[@rooracleaf561]

why di you say "any audience they have left" as if disney is struggling to hold an audience

[@disguisedcentennial835]

@@rooracleaf561 “too big to fail” never works out

[@SheevTalks]

Temuera Morrison has also advocated for the return of Mace Windu for The Book of Boba Fett season 2, and at this point, I wouldn’t even be surprised if that happens.

[@StevenZissimos]

Oh god... please no.

[@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother]

Not in the book of Boba Fett hell no if there’s ever an order 66 a Star Wars story movie that’s when he should come back and there should be a dual between him and Vader it is also just a common theory that many Star Wars fans believe mace Windu could’ve survived as being sucked out a window from 50 stories doesn’t always mean you’re dead in the Star Wars universe especially for a Jedi as bad ass is mace Windu

[@brickabang]

@@pattiaufzack with the budget these shows have, they probably wouldn't be able to get Harrison Ford

[@joeypieper6384]

@@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother MACE IS DEAD THE JEDI AREN'T SUPERHEROES!

[@joeypieper6384]

@@brickabang he hates han and only came back so he could die

[@Matthew-McCallister]

Big studios, especially in Disney, are so scared to lose a “valuable” character, that they’re willing to do crazy maneuvers to bring them back

[@AxlPatrol]

Disney is like "no we paid millions for that character"

[@erikanders3343]

Lucus has been doing this for literal decades

[@kingorange7739]

@@erikanders3343 like who?

[@insane_troll]

I thought they were overly enthusiastic to kill them off as quickly as possible.

[@MrDj232]

When Doomsday killed Superman in the comics, there were 6 months without canon Superman comics. When "Doomsday" killed "Superman" in Zack Snyder's Batman vs Superman there was a credits scene making it obvious "Superman" was really still alive. Even with the same situation, there's a right and wrong way to do it.

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

Well, the problem with comic book films is that the source material already happened. BvS was made in reference to Death of Superman comic. When it was first written many years ago, you’re right, it took 6 months before Superman is back. But comic book films is not merely writing new stories, but rewriting old stories and themes from the comics into film. We already know how it is going to happen. Doomsday kill Superman, and we thus expect Superman is not going to be dead forever. Plus, we know they’re making a Justice League movie. Justice League movie without Superman? (Gasp!) Most people know that Superman is a big part of Justice League. Some can argue that the problem with comic book films, as done by Marvel or DC, is that they’re more focused on bringing written comic content alive on screen rather than writing convincing stories for them. Marvel is especially guilty with dropping off a ton of Easter eggs referencing their comics for fans to spot, even if it is to the detriment of the story.

[@fusionwing4208]

Even if its just rewriting a story, the story can still be just as impactful on screen when done right, even if we already know what will happen. I honestly believed the whole point of a film or show is to bring the comic story to a wider audience, not everyone wants to read a comic, but many more people will gladly watch a 2-3hr film or binge a tv show. If a tv show was written exactly how the comic went, sure, it may take a bit longer to get to the good stuff or see the outcomes of things, but when done right, that suspense and cliffhanger style writing will really keep people on their toes.

[@owyemen9367]

İ mean zsjl did some interesting things with his death so im fine

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

@@alexanderchristopher6237 It's real simple, you have Superman die in BvS, then you have several solo movies where the heroes are struggling to deal with all the stuff that's escalating, and Superman isn't there Then in 3-5 movies you have a Justice League movie where things are just, desperate and ruined and they bring back Superman.

[@Mortimer_RS]

Funnily enough in the DC Animated Movie Universe they did this exact same thing, Superman dies in a movie and then in the very next he revives, but it was done way much better as the first movie actually tried to make you feel that his loss meant something and in the next Superman doesn't come back until the final act of the movie, also his revival actually makes sense, instead of being revived by a Cosmic Box that who knows how Cyborg even figured out it could be used to revive an alien demigod, it is his own ship that has the resources to cure him from a wound that, let's be honest, wasn't that bad, simple humans have survived far worse so it is actually believable that Krypton with its advanced technology could make machines that automatically treat that kind of wounds while they are in coma. Also The Eradicator is dope.

[@AvatarYoda]

I've seen so many fake-out deaths that actual character deaths no longer have any effect on me, since when I assume a character isn't really dead, just missing, I'm nearly always right. This bit me hard when reading the latest book in one of my favorite series; one of my favorite characters died in a horribly tragic way, and I had no reaction because I assumed she was just comatose from blood loss and would wake up. Only two chapters later after she was buried did I realize, "Oh, she really is dead." I even wrote this to the author, and she was stunned at my reaction because she said she would never do a fake-out like that. I believe her, but it wasn't her works that are the problem: it's the cumulative effect of so many stories that tell us a character is dead only to bring him/her back. It's very frustrating. Every time a character is assumed dead by others, I always assume "alive" and I'm nearly always right. It's robbed fiction of a great deal of emotional impact.

[@silikaspider]

what series was that if you don't mind me asking

[@burtan2000]

Marvel MCU was as bad as anyone. But then they killed everyone and we all knew they were coming back. And they did but enough of them died for real that i liked it especially bc i could - if so desired - ignore anything after Endgame. it was the END - it's in the name. I've been entertained since tho. An android coming back is different. And then it's like different universes. Basically to me, it's just different stories with same characters after Endgame. As long as Stark and cap do not return more than a few flashbacks or recordings, i'm fine. Maybe i'm too accepting bc no one fakes out deaths more than my favorite storyteller: GRRM. It was several books and about 15 yrs that people thought Theon had been killed. Jon's return is (was) well setup in the story. He needs to return different tho. Like Stoneheart No one cared about Gandalf coming back. That impossible mission and thru the whole thing, the ONLY major characters to die are Boromir and Theoden King. Bilbo is 139 yrs old still kicking. But we are okay with it bc we know they ALL eventually die or pass into the undying lands. The king lives to 200-something but he does die and lives on the way we humans do: in our progeny. Or, like Baggins, in our words

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

I didn't cry when Aeris died, because I knew she'd be okay. I mean, her death just came out of left field; but I had played and Finished Final Fantasy III (6) already and they threw in that whole Terra-may-die bit at the end, but as it turns out, only her esper side did. Also, in FFII (4) Cid died liek a million times and got better every single time, so obviously there was no need to worry. Boy did I have a storm coming! (Yes, the remake is going to do something weird, that ultimately breaks everything... -as if they haven't already,- but that isn't my point.)

[@John-xr9ry]

@@burtan2000, didn’t it say in A Storm of Swords that Theon was being tortured and wasn’t dead?

[@timberd1513]

@@burtan2000Lord of The Rings was also like, perfect at executing everything in the story without needing to kill off many characters. Completely biased here. Won’t lie about that

[@eldestdragon5766]

Don’t forget Ashoka. As cool as it is to see her in live action, she should have died on Malachor. Filoni introduced an entire other dimension and time travel to spare his character!

[@lorealiiiii]

my thing is how she looks and acts in live action tbh

[@mercury2157]

@@lorealiiiii Dawson's line delivery is genuinely ass when you look at the years of work from Ashley Eckstein. Even if visual acting and voice acting are different, still.

[@alrightfritz9692]

“All part of the plan… THE plan”

[@danielanderson6933]

@@mercury2157 ya but Dawson has way more ass *wink *wink than Ashley so I'll give her a pass

[@dominothealphaandomega5512]

Bad OC*

[@tomperry5947]

Maul's resurrection made him my favourite character by far but they know they did it well and now they just think they can do it with every character because we want to see it. No we only want ressirections that build on important characters in meaningful ways - not immortal side characters

[@brickabang]

I think Maul worked because he didn’t do much in the phantom menace

[@gavamelon]

@@brickabang he was most underutilized

[@shinyagumon7015]

Maul worked because he was essentially a nothing character in the Phantom Menace, he was mainly Palpatines henchman who did all the dirty work and then was discarded. The Clone Wars built on that by having his entire arc be about finding his own place and showing that he could be more than just a tool.

[@britneyrose6309]

​@@smugplush No. It "worked" because he was a nobody in TPM and literally anything done with him afterwards would be better than where he was left off. That doesn't change how stupid his survival was, and all it did was open the door for everybody to demand returns of characters like Windu.

[@brianhale3678]

Our deaths will be permanent. How do you get to hell? Very simple: claim that you're innocent. How do you get to heaven? Very simple: Admit that you're not Innocent, you're guilty and ask for mercy. How to know if you're guilty or not? Simply: Compare your life to the Ten Commandments God gave you in the Bible. Everyone agrees that if people followed the ten commandments there would be no need for governments or police. Do not lie. Do not steal. Do not commit adultery. Do not insult God by using his name as a cuss word. There are six more but let's just leave it at that. How many lies have you told in your life? Have you ever taken anything that didn't belong to you? Jesus said, if you look at a women lustfully you've already committed adultery in your heart with that woman. How many times a day do you do that? Do you use God's name as a cuss word? Would you do that with your own mother's name? If you answer these questions honestly you know that you're guilty. God can justly punish you and send you to hell. Ask him for mercy. His name is Jesus. It's as simple as this, The Ten Commandments are called the moral law. You and I broke God's laws. Jesus paid the fine. The fine is death. Ezekiel 18:20 - "The soul who sins shall die. That's why Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins. This is why God is able to give us Mercy. Option A. You die for your own sins. Option B. Ask for mercy and accept that Jesus died for you. ,

[@pbh9195]

For me it was bringing back palpatine the destroyed the sequels for me. It's not just there was no explanation, but it renders the entire Anakin redemption story meaningless. Indeed the entire Skywalker saga was declared meaningless.

[@guzimAntonova]

Palpatines cloning was done well in extended lore tbh just not in the film. He had like rly scuffed clones that would die in like a year and didn't have much of his power left

[@aidan3917]

That’s what destroyed the sequels for you?

[@guzimAntonova]

@@aidan3917 I stg if u say because of "wokeness" I'm killing myself.

[@christiantowalski3850]

@@guzimAntonova It was a bad idea in Dark Empire too. Personally I choose not to acknowledge anything after ROTJ, EU or not. I like to make up my own ending.

[@epicdragonz5327]

I agree with this so much, and honestly they shouldve stuck with Colin Trevorrow’s original script. No Palpatine in it, just a wrap up of the crap set out in the first two movies that actually sounded like it would’ve been very satisfying for what we got in the sequels.

[@DudeHunder]

"People die when they are killed " sometimes

[@RGC_animation]

People always say this quote like it's so obvious it's laughable, but no, it isn't obvious.

[@TheAnimenia]

Shirou best character

[@r.k845]

@@RGC_animation Which by the way, is the actual point of the quote.

[@r.k845]

@@TheAnimenia unironically

[@bigchungus6827]

@@RGC_animation To be fair, a lot of fate quotes come off as incredibly redundant, it's not just Shirou, though that specific quote makes sense, since it's referring to people specifically not dying after being killed.

[@SNER333]

Looking forward to "The Book of Dooku" in which Dooku joins Luke's Jedi Academy because the Sith art of "magically reattaching your head" let him do that and he's just immortal now. Grievous, Padme, and Mace are there too.

[@mercury2157]

If there was any character I'd accept blatantly stupid, completely unjustifiable contrivance to see again, it's Grievous. I fucking love Grievous

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

SHHH! They don't need any help!

[@theauthor6669]

I feel like you could bring back some kind of shell of grevious, he was an android and a majority of his fights were somewhat recorded they could perhaps make a grevious but pure robot. No talking, just like his intro in the clone wars. treat him the predator from the OG series.

[@benl2140]

Well, you know what they say, the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be...bad writing.

[@ivanviera1582]

@@theauthor6669 there is actually a story like this in the new canon where I THINK Vader encounters a group of mercenaries lead by a Mon Calamri that uses Grevious's rests as his prosthetic body to fight him, 4 arms and lightsabers included but it's a really dumb way to do this.

[@lllXanderlll]

I'm still pissed off that they retconned Vader being the chosen one and made it Rey. Cause that's a cool idea right ? Just render six movies of character development and character arc essentially pointless and make it so the new Jedi who has only existed for three movies becomes the true savior of the franchise. I don't think I can roll my eyes enough to express just how garbage that is and will always be, as far as I'm concerned EP 7-9 are an alt timeline because they're too dumb to be kept cannon

[@BonaparteBardithion]

Retcon aside, there was never actually any payoff on the chosen one element. It was loosely introduced in EP 1 and given a quick nod Ep 3, and it otherwise had no bearing on the plot. The betrayal in RotS hit hard because of personal connection, not because of any underdeveloped prophecy. Then it never pays off in 4-6 because it didn't exist when they were made. While it gets touched on in the expanded universe (both old and new canon) in the core films themselves it's a completely pointless detail.

[@Ferri-San]

Alt timeline? Nah to me they never even existed at all

[@castlewhale4746]

@@BonaparteBardithion I don't think I understand what you're trying to say? How is there no payoff to the chosen one plot point in episode 6? That's the entire conclusion of the film and final encounter with Sidious. The prophecy in 1-3 says that the chosen one would bring balance to the force. BALANCE being the key word here. Not just, the evil guy is dead now. Luke is a character that especially in episode 6 tows the line between the light and the dark. He is the balance of both sides and understands both in order to see the good that remains in Vader, in Anakin. It is through Luke (the balance) that Anakin sees the light that remains somewhere amidst his darkness, and in one final act of true heroism, sacrifices himself to kill the ultimate evil. He ends both halves of himself the darkness of Vader, and the light of Anakin, and brings true balance to the force. So personally I have absolutely no idea how you could be saying the prophecy isn't payed off. Even though it was made retroactively to what happens in episode 6, what happens in the throne room still happens just like the prophecy said it would.

[@BonaparteBardithion]

@@castlewhale4746 No, you're correct. He certainly was instrumental in bringing balance to the Force. But in that reading, the Chosen One role is filled by Anakin (who wiped out the Jedi) and Luke (who overcame the Sith by recovering Anakin) together. In that sense there isn't a chosen ONE, there's a theoretical destined set of events to reset the balance which the Jedi may interpret as a Chosen One. And the sequels certainly threw those events under the bridge. What's more, the events in the OT deliberately denied destiny - a word that Vader used several times in trying to recruit Luke. Likewise Obi-Wan and Yoda told Luke he had to confront Vader, and while he did so Luke chose not to do so with violence in the end. Vader taking out Palpatine wasn't fulfillment of prophecy, it was his last act of humanity. He chose to save his family over power and influence - a tendency that is very present in the prequels and drives almost all of Anakin's actions. Both the end of the Jedi and Sith occur because they both devalued family ties and underestimate the lengths Anakin was willing to go to save his loved ones. So, when I say the prophecy element doesn't matter (I guess no pay-off wasn't quite the right phrase) it's because the fulfillment is completely accidental. We can say that's what makes it great because it wasn't fulfilled by big grand gestures but accidently by very human motivations. But we can also take any reference to it out of the prequels and the plot of all six movies will run exactly the same minus some minor adjustments to Qui-Gon's lines, which makes it superfluous.

[@castlewhale4746]

@@BonaparteBardithion I guess my biggest issue was the "Lack of pay-off" part. You're completely right about the rest of it though and I quite appreciate your interpretation of it. Exactly as you said about Luke being destined to confront Vader and choosing to not do so with violence, Destiny can not be avoided in Star Wars, but it CAN be approached through unconventional means.

[@CassDaMan1138]

Actually off the bat, no... I just thought Cobb got shot in the arm and was just fucked up from that. I didn't even think he needed to get a robot arm, just his arm would be in a sling for a while. I for real thought Cad just winged him to send a message as he's the one in charge. Deputy Dan tho... yeah he dead.

[@thevillainousqueenofhearts4976]

Same, so that doesn’t bother me

[@blackmask2699]

Why would he do that he also is one of the most accurate gun slingers in the Star Wars universe

[@thevillainousqueenofhearts4976]

@@blackmask2699 wanted him to deliver a message ? Idk

[@CT-1255]

@@blackmask2699 he is but I would imagine he also has respect for a fellow gunslinger as to where he obviously did not have respect for the deputy

[@theendersmirk5851]

@@CT-1255 Yeah, he acts the part of only wanting the money, but he and the Fetts both had a sense of honor towards those they hunted that few other bounty hunters in universe tended to have, treating all foes as worthy challenges. Which is honestly my main reason for hoping Bane survived the bit in Book of Boba Fett, for no other reason than that he and Boba shouldn't have been placed against each other. Cad would've likely had more a mentality of "wait, lil' Boba has a gang now? I wonder how that'll go. Might drop by and offer him my... services. That is, if he lasts long enough. If not... oh well, that's how things go in this business."

[@hisshoes1107]

Fun fact: Boba fett’s scenes in Mandorlorian where he threatens Grougu (he literally threatens a child’s life to get his armor) is after the Tuskin raider ark.

[@erikanders3343]

so? Grougu is not part of his tribe. His life with the Tuskin's did not make him into a good guy, not by a long way.

[@poultry-lover6665]

Grougu is 50 he ain’t a child. Also anti hero boba fett is awesome. The new boba fett sucks

[@taffy9447]

@@poultry-lover6665 grogu IS a child. Just, not in our age anyway.

[@creed8712]

That seems really out of character for somebody who’s supposed to have like an honor code or some shit from the lore. Then again he can fight Vader to a standstill but got taken out by a blind guy with a stick so did his character ever really make sense?

[@erikanders3343]

@@creed8712 well an honor code does not mean you respect a alien child, especially in his prospective the child of a thief who took his armor. honor codes are a necessity in business, not a substitute morality. You have an honor code because otherwise a customer has to wonder if you will kill them and take the money rather than do the hard work of getting the bounty. Having an honor code does not mean you are a good guy, does not mean that what someone else may think is morally dubious is not perfectly ok with them. Lets take the Mando's " I can take you in warm or cold" line. He basically is saying cause me trouble and I will kill you. Do you think he questions what will happen to those bounties when they are delivered, likely to crimelords who will enslave or torture them? No. If you are paying you get what you paid for, end of discussion. Hell, Mando straight up disintegrated people for trying to steal parts from his ship. That is not the action of a good or moral person. He did it because the jawa's were too numerous and he wanted to keep his stuff. Look at Shand... she kills people for a living, for the advantage and has no morals about it, no qualms, but she has an honor code because it allows for customers to be assured that what they pay for they get. Hell, Fett worked for a slaver, a sexual predator and did most of his dirty work.

[@chasehedges6775]

“Im not dead.” “I feel fine.” “I feel HAPPY!” - Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

[@peterholmes2364]

Ti's but a scratch

[@theauthor6669]

the only good fake out death

[@HerobrinesPizzaGuy]

I would love to see a story where death is inconsequential, a temporary setback as everyone can be revived. People become overly cocky and throw their bodies at every problem. Then somebody finds out how to stop the resurrection and deaths become real

[@locklyle10]

i think this is unironically the plot of venture bros but don't quote me on that

[@machine7angel]

this sort of thing happens in gantz a few times

[@suddy2250]

You should watch Re:Zero

[@shleaumeau7740]

Everyone is Deadpool?

[@Lichen1]

i think this is what happens in warframe with the orokin

[@ob2kenobi388]

Fakeout deaths have become so common that, at least once, I've seen what I now believe to be a true character death but at the time didn't believe for one second. When the credits rolled and the character was still dead, I was just confused by it. This is the worst-case scenario for fakeout deaths, for them to become so ubiquitous that the concept of death itself in media no longer has any real weight or value. I don't remember which character it was, unfortunately.

[@joaopedrorosa6198]

Yeah. This need to be said too. Even if the explanation for the "not death" being cool, develop a underdeveloped character or makes sense. If you have abused this fakeout deaths so many times you shouldn't do it even in those cases. Let people die. After this video we already have more 2 fakeouts: Grand Inquisitor and Reva. If i'm not forgetting anyone. but probably there is more.

[@Silverymooncity]

Glory to Arstotzka!

[@ob2kenobi388]

@@Silverymooncity Cause no trouble.

[@suzanneclark7706]

That was me with Loki

[@ob2kenobi388]

@@suzanneclark7706 The series or the character (or both)?

[@John-xr9ry]

Got to love how Rise of Skywalker does this 6 times! We thought Palpatine was dead, never mind he’s back. We thought Rey killed Chewbacca, never mind he’s still alive. We thought C-3PO lost all his memories (not a death but still), never mind R2 brought them back. We thought Kylo was killed from being stabbed by a lightsaber, never mind Rey can force heal. We thought Kylo was dead from Palpatine flinging him off a 15 foot cliff, still alive. We thought Rey died after fighting Palpatine, never mind Kylo revives her

[@theshredder103]

You say "we" but I can assure you nobody truely believed Kylo Ren was dead either of the times you mentioned that, and thats ok, the movie was not trying to make the auidence think kylo was dead in those moments because his death would be meaningless to the plot. Similar for Chewie, nobody actually thought chewie was dead because it served no purpose to the story at all and would have been the most dissatisfying death ever. Also I don't think people thought Rey was dead because it would make absolutely no sense, if she was truely the one to bring back the jedi, which is what they were clearly implying, they were not going to kill her off before she can do that. Nobody thought C30 was going to loose his memories in the movie, the trailers imply it but when watching the movie they clearly say R2 has some sort of backup. I'm not defending this movie but I don't think this argument is good against this movie expect palpatine.

[@Protosilver97]

Well, to be honest, if people paid enough attention they would have noticed Rey destroyed the other ship.

[@Ferdoe]

@@theshredder103 Nah they obviously want you to think they're dead in the moment. At least for most of them. Chewie was heavy bait with sad music swelling. The others a bit less so except the force heal part.

[@RictusHolloweye]

@@theshredder103 - Accidentally killing Chewie might have led to some interesting character development for Rey... but I guess the writers looked at each other and burst out laughing at the idea.

[@alexsiemers7898]

The C-3PO one pissed me off so much even before they undid his memory wipe, since they basically turned it into comic relief

[@ashleyberkowitz8772]

The thing with the character deaths is that it's an arms race between the real deaths and fake deaths, because real deaths want you to not call them out for being fake, but fake deaths also want you to think they're real.

[@xrphoenix7194]

I think the consequences of impermanent character deaths IS to a great degree objectively measurable. Investment is built on stakes, and as Jay Exci says "stakes are built on cause and effect" as soon as the line of logical cause and effect is broken, stakes drop. Fakeout deaths are an extreme form of this

[@bananaman8274]

Rey: I used two lightsabers to deflect force lighting Mace Windu, Obi Wan: You only need two lightsabers? I used one Yoda: Lightsabers, you need?

[@tarmairon431]

Luke: You guys block lightning?

[@lenabach3047]

Vader: You guys survived force lightning?

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

I remember when Disney first obliterated most of Star Wars cannon that people tried to defend it by claiming that "oh they just wanted to get rid of all those Emperor Palpatine has a clone body stories and the messy dark side space Tyranid war" What a load of crap that turned out to be.

[@omarimus2260]

In Infinity War all the deaths that weren't from the snap felt permenant but now loki vision and gamora are all back like nothing ever happened

[@anakinlowground5515]

Well, none of those characters are completely different people functionally, and huh, did WandaVision revive Vision? i should really watch that and see.

[@omarimus2260]

@@anakinlowground5515 they made a white vision but at the end he got his old memories back so he's basically back to his old self

[@omarimus2260]

@@quicklyform5162 Natasha died in Endgame

[@Goomyx1492]

Welcome to comics stories. That stuff has been going on since comics' inception. It is absolutely not exclusive to the MCU.

[@Agherosh]

@@omarimus2260 If he was his old self, he'd be with Wanda and the Avengers, not leave on his own.

[@raptorshinryu]

The Book of Boba Fett single-handedly derailed the train of good will that came from Mando seasons 1 and 2. Boba's character was utterly assassinated, Grogu's training was walked back because "he's the face of the franchise", and Cob Vanth and Cad Bane's death fakeouts proved Disney is willing to reverse any permanent consequences if a character might sell them more action figures.

[@anakinlowground5515]

Dude, Cobb Vanth got shot in the shoulder. A tiny bit of bacta fixes up that kind of wound really well. I was doubting if he died throughout. He got shot once in the shoulder, and his deputy got shot multiple times. The shoulder is, perhaps, the most unlethal place to get shot in all of fiction. There's absolutely no way that someone would die from one shot in the shoulder. Also, everyone rushed to Cobb's aid

[@frostycane5134]

What’s your opinion on when a character dies but comes back in another form IE a ghost or alternate version ?

[@skelebonez1349]

I know I’m not the one your talkin to but I think it could work if they either make the ghost a bit wiser or more vengeful, or for alternate form as basically just feels almost like a different character

[@jacobg8640]

That's really just another method of reviving them in my opinion. If it's a ghost, it's still the same character that you are bringing back into your story. It can work if the character has a purpose like Obi Wan, but I've also seen it as a cheap way for characters to get closure and cope with grief. Even worse is when it's an alternative version, because it's often used as a shortcut to developing characters and changing them into whatever is convenient for the plot at that time.

[@skelebonez1349]

@@jacobg8640 I kinda think it could work. The movie ASTROBOY does this take on the “alternate version” very nicely

[@mercury2157]

@@skelebonez1349 Red vs Blue perfected it with Epsilon Church

[@oldkingspook]

I think, so long as it's done right, this is fine. It's a permanent consequence, the character is still dead and, unless they're corporeal undead, they have a limited ability to interact with the story.

[@SSJPENGUIN]

Moffat kept reviving characters during his Doctor Who run When he finally killed off a fairly major character, I didn't believe they were really dead until the of his writing run

[@insertclevernamehere1186]

Anyone else notice that Cobb Vanth twists as if he got shot in the shoulder BEFORE he got shot in the shoulder? Either he has good reflexs to try and lessen the damage or they just messed up the timing in post...

[@thejackal9834]

There's a saying in the art world "Kill the child" it mostly refers to giving up on your idea which is also like your baby when it's not working. But I think you can still use that approach when killing off characters. I'm drafting a little story right now and two of my favourite supporting characters are gonna die, one being a close friend to the protagonist and the other being the protagonists mentor/surrogate father. They die rather close in time to each other and it nearly breaks the protagonist. It sends her down a dark path of self loathing and depression because the reality of the situation is made real. She comes back stronger and more willing to do good in the end but the mourning process is an entire arc in itself, and she never truly gets out of it. But if this story wasn't set in a gritty cyberpunk setting where the dead could get brought back at anytime, I think the reader would be furious to have spent so much time focusing on the aftermath of these characters dying only to bring them back, the emotional weight would be suddenly lost and any fear for other supporting characters biting the dust would cease to exist. On top of that it would've been a waste of time showing the protagonist going through the stages of grief. Which I believe would piss off the reader if ever they decide to read the story again.

[@simplegarak]

Historian note: Darth Maul was probably also a bit easier to accept because the video game DF2: Jedi Knight had established Maw - a dark jedi who was cut in half but nonetheless survived through sheer hatred and the dark side of the Force.

[@Сайтамен]

That was dumb too.

[@simplegarak]

@@Сайтамен it was more acceptable when you needed to make a gimmicky video game boss

[@T-Jex]

Dont forget about Sion, from KOTOR2, who was literally too angry to die

[@SlashManEXE]

That’s true, but I think Vader himself really set the precedent for showing someone on the brink of death only kept alive unnaturally by pure hatred

[@simplegarak]

@@SlashManEXE - Eh... it at least gives the creators the leeway to play in that space. The biggest hinderance around Vader is that we never knew the extent of his injuries or how near death he ever was until E3.

[@Syy]

Phenomenal video. Really great work.

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

The main reason character's deaths are not permanent nowadays is the fandom's BFs that rises everytime it happens. Like, "if MY character dies, I'll stop watching it!!!", it happens almost every single time, making studios never keeping deaths permanent in order to keep this whining fanbase in constant state of "this put a smile on my face".

[@Rantsnrambles808]

Hard disagree…especially in this case. Maul, boba, sidious were all actually dead and we were still watching. And nobody really cares about the sheriff do they?

[@invidatauro8922]

@@Rantsnrambles808 Exactly. God, I wish that Filoni just let Ahsoka die on Malachor. I love Ahsoka, she is literally my favorite character but she shoudl've died.

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

@@Rantsnrambles808 I mean that this collective state of "make the whiners happy" started in, like, 2009, as far as I noticed, so they were all dead before this. Notice that this whole "resurrect my character or you'll lose fans" is very recent. I mean, if it wasn't for the books from the 90s, Game of Thrones would do the same thing, but even with Ned Stark and Khal Drogo, like, "Edo Tensei for everyone, get over here, whiners, we're pleasing you guys!!!" I knew the sheriff guy, Cobb, from the books, so I kinda just "ooh, too bad, he was awesome, but, ooh, well". As an published author, I can say that having readers and fans complaining about me killing some favorite character in the story is exhausting, I even got confused when I had one about from my first book, like, "people truly loved this one that I didn't even give a name?!!" 😅.

[@lesbianduck7862]

I remember this happened in the walking dead when Glenn and Abraham were killed, people genuinely stopped watching until (no joke) they came out and said their deaths were just a dream...

[@Rantsnrambles808]

@@lesbianduck7862 well I stopped watching after the bikers some how lost a fight while kicking them. It was stupid

[@mark_speranzart]

This is how I feel about Ahsoka in Rebels. She had a perfect conclusion confronting Vader, and then they just yoink her back to safety later on in the show with some random timey wimey shit and now shes just wandering the galaxy doing random stuff that has no bearing on her actual character. And now she's getting a whole unnecessary show that will continue to probably add nothing to her character. Disney writers don't know how conclusions work I guess.

[@manuxx3543]

They fucked up the live action characters, so will try to use the animated one for a new live action triology, and will probably fuck up too but hopefully less That's probably why the whole timetravel dimension existed, give a way for people and writers to justify their canon

[@DanielFolsom]

Why is the perfect conclusion confronting Vader? If anything, I think that makes her a little derivative-I think you could only think that was the perfect conclusion if your understanding of Ahsoka is wholly defined by her relationship to Anakin. I also don't know what a "necessary" Star Wars show is. Has there ever been one?

[@Agherosh]

This is how I feel about your comment. Ahsoka didn't have any conclusion with Vader as you can see her walking out of the temple in the ending of the episode, therefore, already telling you, she's alive. So no conclusion.

[@legoliam596]

Ikr, because whenever a character gets to a conclusion they just cease to exist. That's basically your comment lol.

[@ShuTheIdiot]

The path is a concept hinted at several times throughout star wars in both legends and Canon, its hinted at in rebels and its clear palpatine wants access to the path, be it to make sure he can foresee his death, have someone steal him out from his death, or even to pull vader out from when anakin leaps over making him a stronger apprentice

[@waterh2o299]

How would that be anyone's first reaction to that he clearly got shot in the shoulder especially when we have the magical ability to rewind movies and shows to clarify what happened

[@Daniel_Huffman]

Palpatine was brought back to life in the _Dark Empire_ comics, but unlike the new continuity, it did two important things: It established how he survived, and it made it clear that his revival wouldn’t be permanent. He’d have to transfer his consciousness into a new clone body when the previous one withered away just from using his powers, which was pretty often. As such, Anakin still fulfilled the prophecy, and while Palpatine "got better," rather than being fine, he turned from a dead man to a literal and metaphorical dead man walking.

[@RamielDerLinke]

The way he came back in the comics is the same way. In the new canon it's also explained that his body is rotting away. That's why he's kept on this machine. He looks like a fucking zombie.

[@Vipre-]

0:05 What I got from it was it's a single shot to the shoulder and in no way should be fatal. I was more surprised at the attempted fake out dialog shown later because no way was that a fatal shot so it made no sense. Bad example. But good overall critique. The never really dead thing gets old.

[@panqueque445]

I remember when a character surviving was a surprise. Now it's pretty much expected. Every time someone dies, even if I cared about the character, I can't bring myself to feel sad because in the back of my mind I'm always thinking "They might be back next season".

[@crankywriter1738]

I wouldn't have been surprised if Cobb Vanth is eventually killed off. Timothy Olyphant has been signed on for the Justified revival, and if it's as big of a hit as FX believes, he'll be returning to a regular role.

[@gabesstarwarscollection]

Darth Maul coming back, just undoes the impact of Obiwan’s duel in episode 1 which is what aloud him to skip the trials and become a Jedi Knight. Palpatine returning undoes Anakin’s victory as the chosen one. So in my opinion both were the wrong move. Boba Fett surviving the sarlac just to be a changed man, undoes everything we liked about him. Such as being a killer who even Vader had to ask to “keep them alive” because he knew Boba would otherwise kill Han and the rebels. Bringing Boba back as a different character than we expected also fits weirdly with the fact that Mando in Season 1 Episode 1 is essentially what we thought boba would be like. (A dark character who gets the job done and refuses to remove his helmet or make personal connections with anyone)

[@shadow-squid4872]

Mauls returns doesn’t undo Obi-wans victory at all, Obi-wan still defeated him and injured him to the point that Maul wasn’t seen again for 15+ years. And Boba Fett changed because of his experience with the Tuskens over a few years, not just by surviving the Sarlacc

[@fabi3790]

Well they did something good with Maul at least

[@creed8712]

Maul becomes a reveres flash to Obi-wan as a haunting ghost reminding him of how far he’s come as a person. Palpatine returning was bullshit but in another timeline we might have seen Vader return so eh. Boba fett isn’t a character. Vader telling him not to kill the bounty makes me think the guy is really bad about following orders and is more a liability. But hey he looks cool so his character must look cool (and they maintain that even after seeing him get smacked by a blind guy and dying until it was said otherwise)

[@an0rangutan]

Bro...im the entirety of the last episode, the Scorponek droids couldn't shoot A SINGLE UNNAMED CHARACTER IN THE WIDE OPEN I can't believe anyone takes death in Star Wars seriously at this point.

[@OscarRoswall-Stanley]

This is what was so good about game of thrones, you feel like no one is safe, and your favourite character could die at any point. It meant that when anyone was in danger you were genuinely nervous. And whenever they brought someone back you were genuinely relieved.

[@redenginner]

Dark Empire did it in an interesting way because Palpatine came back and had a fake out death. But it was pretty much made clear that he had survived because he was both absolutely insane and the pinnacle of thousands of years of accumulated sith knowledge. He was a maleific spirit of a being that could barely be considered human anymore, burning through clones of himself every few months as he let the full power at his disposal flow throw him. While it was a little cheesy,it felt a lot more substantive then “somehow Palpatine has returned”

[@ben3129]

dark empire is so insane that its enjoyable

[@thecollector4332]

There was also the caveat that each new clone lasted less time than the last one and it was hilarious seeing palpatine get more and more desperate as he realized his longtime plan was destined to fail.

[@loganmapes2307]

You make such great points and are able to explain and elaborate them so well. I almost always agree with you but can ever articulate like you do. Great work

[@scottwallace7033]

Maul dying in the tv show where him and oui wan are old men who have both given their lives to ideas that where chose for them from birth and maul and oui wan having a momemt of peace where they look to how the futer could be despite the paths thier lives where set on was truly to me one of the best star wars moments literally ever

[@cdestroyer2180]

I mean to be fair. Cob was shot in the shoulder Area once, while his deputy was Mag dumped. And I do believe we have seem many in the star wars lore get shot in worse places and limbs and keep going with just a bit of bacta

[@Woopor]

Kylo Ren got shot by Chewbaka’s Freaking mega blaster unaware and barely flinched yet Cob got hit in his shoulder and straight up dropped dead. Sure, kylo may have some force stuff and Vanth may have been older, but still.

[@ethanmasuda8231]

Then why did they say he was dead?

[@Agherosh]

@@ethanmasuda8231 They never said he was dead.

[@Augur007]

@@Agherosh “gunned down in cold blood” in response to din saying sorry about the marshal they clearly say it

[@Augur007]

@@Woopor yeah like before in maz’s castle it causes and explosion which kills like 3 troopers when Han fires it

[@Klinker0913]

I always imagined cobb was alive, and I dont think he needed prosthetics, just some rest and medical attention, but I agree that the absence of consequence in star wars and other media has soured my taste of character "deaths" beyond complete physical obliteration of that character. Well, besides palpatine for some reason

[@darkypiemotica]

I was misled by the title of this thinking it was going to be about how Timothy Olyphant is one fine actor that deserves more recognition or smth… That said, I wasn’t disappointed, good video :B

[@captainbirch2.079]

Wait, people actually thought vanth was dead? HOW? That was clearly a shoulder shot, the most "character is hurt but not dead" shot ever

[@fusionwing4208]

Probably cause the guy just dropped like a dead body after getting shot, most people, especially those with a stronger will, will take a shot like that and still noticeably survive, usually by reacting and trying to stand back up (if knocked down) or stumble from the impact but still hold their ground. Its definitely a clear shoulder shot, but the reaction implied death.

[@ZackeriseZeplane]

@@fusionwing4208 also add to the fact that before Disney Star Wars, when your shot by a blaster bolt, your 99% of the time dead with the exception of Captain Rex in the Clone Wars who took a sniper round 1 inch above his heart and lived.

[@zacharygilmore1075]

@@fusionwing4208 He also didn’t show up with the rest of the village in the final part of the season. The villagers didn’t even say that he was alive.

[@Agherosh]

@@ZackeriseZeplane Before Disney, most soldiers who took a blaster bolt were still not dead, they were knocked out as their armor spreads the energy taken from the bolt, most of the stormtroopers we see get shot are not dead.

[@travelwell6049]

Because of the reaction of his towns folk.

[@elilieb2073]

There was an old RPG module called, the "lair of Maul" that someone wrote for the old d20 star wars RPG The players find an asteroid that scans out to apparently be carved out and housing a space station inside, with potential loot in the station. You dock, wade through an ungodly number of traps, fight powerful droids, and finally you make it to the loot room. There's cloning tanks everywhere, with adolescent red zabraks in most of them. One opens up, with an adult zabraks, who ignites a red lightsaber and attacks. After the encounter, you search the terminals and databanks for loot, and realize there is a second, opened cloning tank, a there's a missing shuttle from the station's docking bay, and, worst of all, dozens more of these asteroids throughout the galaxy...

[@matiasaguilar2500]

For example, on Metal Gear Rising people are already asking for Jetstream Sam, a character who had his arc completed and is dead accordingly, to return because he can be saved through some tech or something. God just let them be dead

[@hk1371]

That would also wound the point of Sam. He was meant to be what Raiden would have become had he not adapted as well as he did. I get liking a character, I love Sam as well. But part of what I love about him is that his story has an end. And that end has a meaningful impact, especially given how Raiden is only able to beat Armstrong once he gets Sam's sword

[@streetsdisciple0014]

Thank god Robert Kirkman in his “invincible” comic & tv series doesn’t have this issue. I’m consistently on edge as I know some really good characters are susceptible to permanent annihilation.

[@BalrogSlayer00]

Except immortal lol-no comic spoilers pls, just have seen the show.

[@sentientmustache8360]

@@BalrogSlayer00 well his whole thing is that he’s… well, immortal, so he’s an exception to the rule

[@deuce5546]

Until they time travel lo

[@ThePotatoeHasAGun]

Same with his other main comic TWD. Although the TV show didn't really follow that rule.

[@erikanders3343]

He has the opposite issue, You read or watch any of his you basically know that the deaths will be random and mostly pointless.

[@moelester6605]

As soon as I saw Cobb get shot I knew he was fine. Because writing in modern shows are too predictable.

[@lonebattledroid4474]

Actually, a Sarlacc is able to keep their victims alive for the entirety of their digestion.

[@brianfunt2619]

Is it possible to learn this power

[@StevenZissimos]

I partially agree with your take on Darth Maul's revival. However, through hindsight, I found his arc in TCW to be quite rushed. My reasoning for this is because the show was more heavily focused on creating big action set pieces over good storytelling and it was clear that the writers saw Maul as a way to create more action. Instead of granting Maul a story about his psychological rehabilitation with his brother helping him along the way (which would have also elevated Savage's character), he's instantly healed by Mother Talzin so he can go and wreak havoc right away (just another example of Nightsisters being used as plot devices rather than actual characters). Furthermore, Maul's takeover of Mandalore happend far too quickly. Dooku applied the same tactics in order to take over Mandalore and had the resources from the CIS to help Deathwatch, but he failed. Then somehow Maul succeeded where Dooku failed despite the fact that his leadership was way more unstable, especially when you consider how backstabbing the Syndicate leaders were. Again, it's another example of story taking a back-seat in favour of more action. There really should have been a proper arc that utilised Maul's cunning and persuasion to garner the following he had by the end of TCW Season 5, which would have elevated his character further. Instead we just got action on top of action. Overall, Maul's revival was a great concept, but I think it could have been handled a lot better. Despite his rushed character arc, he did get a proper conclusion in Rebels which I appreciate.

[@joe-weeny4918]

I just wanna know why Mother Talzin knew maul her son was alive trapped somewhere with his location on the amulet and she didn’t even bother to get him till savage didn’t have a master to train him.

[@StevenZissimos]

@@joe-weeny4918 ikr!? That's one of my biggest gripes about Maul's arc. To this day we still have no explanation as to how Talzin discovered that Maul was alive and why she didn't bother to search him out herself after all those years. It's frustrating.

[@zackanderson7440]

@@StevenZissimos i personally with the sisters being a plot device but besides that i disagree, as for why she didn't bother to go get him, A. the sisters are isolationist and didn't want to risk anything, B. she probably wanted to mold him into a weapon in her/savages service, him immediately being saved probably wouldn't work due to him being still somewhat loyal to Palpatine, C. probably some other reason we are overlooking since i only know so much.

[@StevenZissimos]

@@zackanderson7440 well the sisters risked themselves for Ventress by attempting to assassinate Dooku. I don't think rescuing Maul would be as risky. And I'm pretty sure Maul would already feel betrayed by his master for not coming back for him. He'd be more inclined to work with those who actually brought him back. Plus he was already resentful of Sidious for holding him back for so many years, as we notice in the Darth Maul comics. He would see joining Talzin to be a better opportunity for gaining power.

[@zackanderson7440]

@@StevenZissimos true, true, all in all i still think it was fine however

[@XeroTenjin93]

Dave Filoni is perhaps the grossest offender in this category in terms of star wars by far. Why everyone continues to treat him like some kind of infallible messiah continues to elude me.

[@robertocaetano4945]

Me too m8...i cant understand why the SW keeps pandering him, while he is a limited writer and without GL he is only destroying the franchise.

[@taylrthegreat]

@@robertocaetano4945 like i keep saying, if you can write it better, write it better. i think dave filoni does a better job than i ever could so i'll continue to support him until i feel differently.

[@robertocaetano4945]

@@taylrthegreat Yes, i can write better than him easily. We already have source material (Aka Expanded Universe) to him to use. If you watch Rebels, Resistance, Bad Batch, Mandalorian, Book of Bobba Fett...its all the same base. Most episodes you have a crew/character landing in a remote planet and doing subquests, while he know some other characters or in the third, mid or last episode one cameo thats doesnt add nothing to the plot. Its Star Wars without Wars. Its ALL tv shows with the same principle.

[@robertocaetano4945]

@@taylrthegreat You can support whatever you want to. But its a fact that Star Wars have a massive downgrade in his lore and material. Its a fact. High Republic sucks...the old EU about the Old Republic, Rakata Empire, Jedaai Order, The Sith Wars, the Army of Light, the Brotherhood of darkness...its far way better than anything Disney did. Thrawn Trilogy, New Jedi Order books, Legacy of the Force Books its much better than anything Disney did post ROTJ. Its a fact.

[@XeroTenjin93]

@Matt Not true. None of filoni's characters have ever stayed dead or even died at all for that matter. Abrams wrote two shitty movies. Filoni is responsible for three shitty TV series, *and* he had a hand in writing the sequels/Rey. There's no excusing that.

[@fredwardv6988]

If I remember correctly, Maul was supposed to be a crime lord in Lucas' sequel trilogy, but I fell like Rebels ended him pretty well by Disney standards.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

I immediately recall the chewbacca death fakeout. It's not the scene that made me realize this, but it's the most egregious example: If you don't get a whole 10 minute scene of the entire cast crying over their dead body, the character is probably not dead. No body, no emotions.

[@neocomp92]

Characters cheating death has the same effect as throwing characters into Arkham Asylum. It's intentionally placing characters on time off, only to be brought back when the time is right. Comic books until now survived on this revolving prison door trope.

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Character time out.

[@Birbinator2008]

Yknow, this movie had an interesting idea on a character’s death. In the movie Ultramarine, a character tackles a demon threatening to kill his squad mates. Now that character fell off a cliff alongside the demon, so I presumed both of them dead. Later, that character comes back… or does he!? He is actually revealed to be the demon in disguise, which was pretty cool.

[@Lanwarder]

I honestly never thought that Cobb Vanth was dead. He clearly was shot in the shoulder. The fact that there wasn't even a doubt about the deputy being dead and everyone rushing to the help of the Sheriff also supported that. I very sincerely never thought he was dead. Now, if they bring back Cad Bane, like I think they will, I'm going to be disappointed....just like I was when they killed Darth Maul and then annoyingly un-killed him...

[@travelwell6049]

Cad Bane better be dead. He’s a horrible person. If they make him alive and then turn it round so he was doing good all this time then I might have to walk away. 🗡

[@sonoftheway3528]

1:02 That wasn't always true, at least in the movies, before Disney showed up.

[@BillyFlower-d7r]

find it Ironic that this happened in boba fett's show even though it was very disappointing I think it worked well to say that boba fett survived the fact you didn't see his body, clues in books and learning that sarlac pit digest over long periods of time this is more clues over a long period of time rather than story telling but I found it funny that they had this problem in a show where it worked well with the main character

[@Bensworth_Drummington]

That's one of the most annoying things in modern movies, hardly anyone actually dies, and the stakes are always way to big. Every super hero movie has the destruction of the universe at hand, it's to big of a stake.

[@evanderpierznik]

Maul's survival is explained in another old book called "The Wrath of Darth Maul". I highly recommend reading it if you like the character.

[@bmcfonzie]

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

[@llllTatollll]

Even when a character I absolutely love dies I cannot fucking stand it whenever they get revived, it’s ruined so many shows that’d be otherwise perfect

[@ZoomerUnion]

I disagree with the premise of the first ten seconds of this video because on my very FIRST impression of the episode I knew Cobb Vanth was shot non-fatally. He got clipped in the shoulder.. that's not a fatal wound. I also was never confused by the characters talking as IF he was dead in the next episode because I realized it was just their mistaken assumption based on the clues given by the context. And yes, this was on my first viewing. It really wasn't confusing to me at all tbh

[@SheevTalks]

Okay so he got shot in the shoulder and the people of Freetown knew this, yet they were talking as though he’d been killed. This didn’t confuse you?

[@ZoomerUnion]

@@SheevTalks Not really... I mean they probably saw him get shot and decided immediately to leave for Mos Espa, before he even got back up (he does get knocked unconscious). In the rush it's understandable that they assumed he was dead and hurried to avenge him.

[@Rantsnrambles808]

@@ZoomerUnion I was with you on the shoulder bit. But after that you’re off rails. “They saw him get shot and decided to leave without checking on him” I mean yeesh. It’s really clumsy just so they can try and fake us out a little harder.

[@ZoomerUnion]

@@Rantsnrambles808 yeah maybe it is sloppy. Idk, I suppose I got swept up in the pacing of the episode and didn't think too hard about it. Still I swear it made sense in context 🤔

[@desidia-VII]

@@ZoomerUnion Him getting knocked unconscious from a blast to the shoulder is bastante dumb.

[@kaw8473]

"Tis merely a flesh wound"

[@chasehedges6775]

👍 Summed it up perfectly

[@urthofthenewsun8465]

Book of Boba Fett seems to take Chekhov’s Gun to an extreme level. It’s obvious that Boba will ride the rancour at some point, and that Din will use the darksaber in some epic final battle. If Andor was written by the same people, Mon Mothma would have some ridiculous fight with that ceremonial club Luthen tried to sell her.

[@relytdragon5626]

Honestly, I totally forgot about mall's appearance in solo until you mentioned it in this video.

[@chasehedges6775]

I forgot Solo even existed

[@scientistsquid5675]

I knew he was alive because that was not a vital spot and deputy got shot like 47 times so I thought he would just live. Also when that dude said oh he dead I was like how???

[@masonhill2945]

Great job dude! Way to knock ‘em dead! *shot of eyes opening, gasp sound effect* Somehow… we got ‘em back…

[@chasehedges6775]

Somehow this character returned… even though they shouldn’t

[@Kden21]

I mean they set up Cobb Vanth's fake death from the start when they has Cad Bane shoot him in the literal most unlethal part of the torse (the right shoulder), so when Mando and the others say he died in the finale I was honestly surprised, but then even more surprised they were like "Oh wait he lived" at the post credits scene. They faked me out twice, one for telling me he died from a unlethal wound, and another for saying he actually didn't die. Also side note why tf does he need an entire tank that's meant to heal the worse injuries and scars in the galaxy for just a shoulder wound

[@DroMeetsPhoto]

Been frustrated by these fake out deaths becoming SO common place like you said you can't ever truly trust someone has been killed. Even when they're essentially blown to bits or "killed" off in seemingly final ways a series will just write the laziest cop out to subvert expectations. Saddest part is a character dying when they're initially killed off is now what truly subverts expectations.

[@TheInvisibleCactusYT]

The only people who stay dead in movies is uncle Ben and Batmans parents

[@generaldeathmaster9295]

“Yeah so um ‘NERDZ!!!’” Ads are great

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

Would love to see a follow up to this video now that we know lightsaber stabbings don’t work, even on younglings !

[@epicdragonz5327]

Ive become so uninterested in Star Wars since Book of Boba came out, which sucks because I grew up loving the franchise, particularly the Original Trilogy (which my dad had on VHS). They fucked the story in that show up so badly, and honestly it seemed like such an easy show to get right: make Boba a badass crime lord and explain how he survived the Sarlacc, include the old bounty hunters (Bossk, Dengar, etc) we know and love, focus on how Tatooine has changed without Jabba. What we got was The Book of Mandalorian Season 2.5 featuring Boba the Pussy and his Robo Gang. The fake out deaths just added to the garbage writing of the show and made it so much more Disney than it already was. Characters used to be important, now they all feel so expendable considering the fact that there are no stakes because anyone of importance will just be brought back with some stupid logic. And yes this has happened before pre-Disney in Star Wars, but everytime it did there was usually a decent explanation and the return was meaningful (Obi-wan, Yoda and Anakin coming back as force ghosts, the entirety of Darth Maul coming back). Movies and TV have just gotten so cheap with their writing now (specifically Disney with Star Wars and the MCU Phase 4).

[@chaserivera1623]

I miss when the only theory on a dead character being alive in Star Wars was basically boba fett, and mace windu. And nobody took theories seriously or ever expected them to actually come back.

[@TheAdvancedKnine]

If you actually thought Cobb was dead when you saw him get shot in the shoulder then that’s on you, I expected him to be up and kicking in the next episode but they decided he needed to modded and Bacta tanked for some reason

[@stigs6610]

I guess Mando is stupid then

[@jyrlan2596]

@@stigs6610 Mando wasn't there, he got secondhand info

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

As much as I love what they did with Darth Maul in Clone Wars, his survival is never justified nor did it ever make sense. I do also think that letting Darth Mail live opened up Pandora's box because if he can survive getting cut in half and falling down thousands of feet, then petty much anyone (especially a Force users) can survive anything short of decapitation. I would have much rather the preserve Darth Maul's story without actually making THE Darth Maul survive. Maybe make it a clone implanted with his memories? Or maybe make Savage the new Darth Maul who become so obsessed with avenging his brother that he begins to adopt his persona. Just spit balling here but both of those scenarios seem far more plausible than Darth Maul himself living. Again, I loved what they did with him in Clone Wars, he has some of the best arcs but I think the cost of nullifying death in Star Wars was still too great. Because if he could survive, anyone could. It's not just about justifying his role in the story, it's also about justifying his survival in a universe with rules against surviving such a fatal injury.

[@kretgwiazdonos7397]

I dont agree. Cloning is just a lazy justification of resurrection. It amounts to the same as the latter, and has been as much overused through the years. Also, if Maul had a clone, why Palpatine wouldnt have an army of them? Or Thrawn? Or Grievous? Or Dooku? I believe it even magnifies the problem, because if a person can just clone itself or be cloned, it opens so many possibilites that need to addressed - what are the limitations of cloning, how does it affect the person cloned, how hard it is to perform? Savage as a slowly desceding into the madness brother sounds actually interesting. But it doesnt serve the same plot as Mauls resurrection. He is a clear antithesis to Obi-Wan, a shadow from his past. His plot doesnt even make much sense as a standalone, it needs to be paired with Kenobi to show its true potential. Same critique can be applied to many other explanations I believe. Mauls resurrection works, because clearly nobody cared how it needs to be conducted. The simplistic beauty of his comeback lies in the fact that it was unceremonious, he came back, plot devices did some things and hes ready to go. Yeah he survived that fall, but because we dont know how, and we havent seen many comebacks like that since, we can kinda give the benefit of the doubt to writers that they had reasons to do that. No unnecesarry logic had been introduced into the universe, which means less space for errors, and viewer can shrug it off as a one time thing. "Somehow returned" can be effective, when we are given not so much details, and we dont change the logic of the universe nor the consequences of past franchise installments.

[@ConnMann1999]

I have a very out there prediction that Maul’s scene in Solo will have some sort of connection to the upcoming Kenobi series but it wouldn’t make much sense for them to meet as it’s all before rebels

[@Woopor]

Spoiler it doesn’t connecy

[@phunnyguy9382]

Gandalf the grey had a lot of foreshadowing before he came back into play as the white wizard

[@pizzabagel]

For anyone wondering, Darth Maul was able to survive because of his hatred towards Obi-wan, hatred giving him more strength in the dark side which keeps him alive. Regardless of how stupid you might think this is, it is consistant throughout star wars. Darth Sion is another example of hatred keeping a character alive.

[@AntoineMatuttisMusic]

Taking back a character's death can ruin an entire film

[@defenderofminorities3056]

“Somehow Fan Favourite Character returned”

[@chasehedges6775]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@fabiankopp4035]

There is a lot of fair critisism regarding book of boba. But I will never understand why people complain about a character not dying from a single shot to the right shoulder. If it was his left you could claim that the laser hit the heart or something. But Cad Bane hit Cobb nowhere near vital organs!

[@GreenLightMe]

Tell me you never been shot without saying you never been shot

[@comingstorm275]

It was clearly a shoulder shot. They were just dumb to pretend he was dead.

[@jackdaone6469]

I was curious about your stance on the revival of Palpatine in Dark Empire back in the old EU days. Well-executed? Did it cheapen Vader’s sacrifice?

[@SheevTalks]

Hated it there too.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯

[@robertocaetano4945]

In that time, the Prequels and the chosen one concept never been created (like how Jedi Order really was) so we can forgive Dark Empire...thats was amazing story...i like the part 2 when introduces Kam Solusar and the burning in Lukes heart to revive the Jedi Order. Luke vs Palpatine was amazing too.

[@Hk-ox4bb]

Whilst I agree, the marshall looked like he was shot at the shoulder

[@savagegamer474]

About boba fett, George Lucas himself said in an interview once that had he knew that boba would become so popular then he would’ve given him a more memorable death.

[@g.t.werber4476]

Maul coming back is an insult to intelligence

[@laisphinto6372]

it turned to Dragonball deaths aka dont matter

[@kaijupredator4063]

*the Grand Inquisitor and Reva have entered the chat*

[@Nels_Smells]

I was really excited for Book of Boba Fett. With his return in mando being good, and him being a badass, I had high hopes for this. Then I watched it, and it was pretty bad. Honestly a wasted story

[@RapidFireApple]

Character deaths being undone in A Song of Ice and Fire are very interesting to me because in the books the characters are revived and seem to become these creatures of singular purpose and they are also a departure from who they were originally. I think the way it’s handled in those books is very fun with people like Stoneheart (Mama Stark) being a force of pure revenge after being revived by Dondarian.

[@STAYIN_ALIVE]

Absolutely not he got shot in the shoulder. 😂 That was my legitimate first impression of that scene and I wasn’t wrong. It’s clearly a shoulder shot. I agree though, Cad Bane is more than likely still alive too.

[@LukeTaylorPodcasts]

I have been complaining about this with Marvel ever since 2014. After: Loki Nick Fury Groot Agent Coulson and Pepper Potts didn't stay dead, I realized that it doesn't matter anymore when someone "dies" because Marvel will just bring them back. And Marvel does the fakeout death trick at least once per movie, which is such a lazy writing technique. I was sick of it by then and here we are nearly 10 years later still dealing with it- they literally killed off half the universe and brought them back (although I can kinda give a pass on that one)! So when I see something that's supposed to be a serious death- supposedly Jane Foster, or Black Widow, or Tony Stark, or Yondu, or Odin, or Wanda, or Vision- the impact of it is lost because I know it probably won't stick anyway.

[@LukeTaylorPodcasts]

Actually I just remembered that they already brought Vision back