Did Gobekli Tepe Appear Out of Nowhere? A Reply to Graham Hancock

Dear Graham Hancock. On the Joe Rogan Experience (#961), you said that, if you could see gradual development of technology leading up to Gobekli Tepe, then you wouldn't need to invoke a lost advanced civilization. Well, in this video, you will see what you asked to see.
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[@PatRKHC1892]

Thank you for this video WoA. You really did a great job of overviewing the work done in the region over the last 3-4 decades. Very succinct and easy to understand! I did my PhD on ground/polished stone artefacts from the Late Epipaleolithic and early Neolithic of the Southern Levant. I actually worked on material from the site Shubayqa 1 in Eastern Jordan that you show a picture of at 08:43-09:00! Great to see our site referenced. It appears that people like Hancock and Co. have a really hard time understanding stone tool technology and prehistoric stone masonry and artistry. It is almost as if they forget that stone (in addition to wood, bone, shell, fibres etc.) was the main material(s) people had to work with. Humans and our ancestors have been shaping stone (with other stones) for more than 2 million years. People didn’t much else to do and got really good at it! Can’t blame them entirely, because unfortunately research of past stone technologies (especially within Paleolithic archaeology) has been heavily focused on flaked stone tools, like flint/chert knives, arrowheads etc. Until the 1990s very little attention was given to the study of prehistoric ground/abraded/polished stone tools. This has changed though! And we now know a lot more about how people shaped and used “ground” stone tools like mortars and querns of coarser igneous and sedimentary rock. Another reason we know less about the process of shaping these rock types is also that the process leaves a lot less traces than other methods of shaping (rock). In flaked/chipped stone technology, people flaked pieces of stone like flint/chert and this usually left lots of flint flakes behind on the ground (for us archaeologists to find) and allows specialists to reconstruct the process from the intermediate steps, i.e. the different flakes left behind. This doesn’t happen as much when shaping “coarser” stone types. Here you would also perhaps flake a basalt boulder into a more manageable size or a preform, but from there your main mode of shaping was abrasion, i.e. shaping by rubbing a stone against another (sometimes with water and sand), and pecking, i.e rapid/short percussion/impaction with another stone. These processes should and would rarely result in flakes but rather the byproduct is small/tiny stone fragments and stone dust released from the boulder you were shaping. This dust and these tiny fragments are almost impossible to find during an archaeological excavation, meaning that all the intermediate steps in the production process are lost. Only preforms or accidentally broken pieces are left behind, and again unlike flaked stone tools, mistakes are easier to correct/remove (by pecking/abrading) so fewer mistakes are also found. Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this research and letting people know that people of the past were really good at using and shaping all kinds of stone (and other materials as well!).

[@craigmorris559]

Have you been to Egypt?

[@PatRKHC1892]

@@craigmorris559 No, or rather I have visited the Sinai, but only on holiday. As an archaeologist/researcher I've mainly worked in Jordan and Iran, primarily on late Epipaleolithic, Natufian and early Neolithic (PPNA) sites.

[@klada000]

@@PatRKHC1892 can u still tell us smt bout pyramids?

[@ivan1u2be]

these guys should be invited to Joe Rogan exp

[@Bingobanana4789]

Shame on you for congratulating him for his lies and misrepresentation of the dating of those sites.

[@brucedenniston5167]

"I don't believe (A) because there is not enough evidence, I must therefore believe (B) of which there is no evidence." Yeah, that makes sense.

[@jamesfetherston1190]

It is infuriating that no one is calling him out on that.

[@paulconnelly640]

Yeah but I can write books about B and even get a Netflix series.

[@Putnamsmif]

Yeah that's Hancock in a sentence...

[@user-eh9op4mq4s]

@@Putnamsmif Granite Hardrock* 😂

[@Dillonmac96]

Nobody is believing shit… ur taking out of context. It’s about asking questions having an open mind and actually looking everywhere not acting like we just know everything… this is just another KZbinr piggybacking what people want to hear on their side.

[@herobrinesblog]

These theories rely on 2 things: 1- criticizing any and all evidence to other people's theories 2- distracting you from their lack of evidence for their own theories Notice that they will just spend hours discrediting archeologists for every little tiny detail, but never put into question if a drawing of a bucket in 2 cultures is proof of alien contact

[@Scarletpimpanel73]

Occam's razor, when faced with a lack of evidence and multiple possibilities, the simplest explanation is more likely. Complex alien civilizations for which there is literally no evidence - is not a simple explanation - therefore more evidence is required.

[@docvaliant721]

This works for both camps.

[@joshuapray]

@@docvaliant721 Except it doesn't, as clearly illustrated in the video.

[@docvaliant721]

@@joshuapray drink your kool aid bud

[@joshuapray]

@@docvaliant721 Solid rebuttal. I'll try to remember that one. In the meantime, I'd recommend actually watching the video in question before popping off with your inane platitudes.

[@JohnMSawyer]

This is one of the most well-reasoned and evidence-filled videos I've seen about the region and the time period involving Gobekli Tepe.

[@salviatino12]

Magnificent video. I'm myself a scientist in a different field (astrophysics) who enjoys learning of ancient history and coming across a video like this to respond in an educated and sound way to unsustained provocative theories from GH was certainly very inspirational. Certainly I liked it and decided to suscribe to this amazing channel.

[@boltzmannbrain6607]

I am Bill Gates

[@San_Vito]

GH: "we haven't found that intermediary technology". What we definitely didn't find is a super advanced global civilization and it seems that doesn't bother him at all. Incredible.

[@telebubba5527]

If you would have told people a century ago that we'd be going to the moon, having tele conferences, computers, self driving cars and stuff like that they would have called you crazy and that there was no evidence of such developments. Hancock is a nutcase who is selling a book, a fantasy book.

[@tohaason]

@MikTuo- Why don't you actually go and look up what's written about this, yourself? There's not a single unexplained phenomenon around at this point. Workable explanations have been theorized and in many cases experimentally proved. Nobody still believes that the pyramids of Egypt weren't built by Egyptians, to take one, the debate is only about exactly which of the several possible methods were used.

[@jamesbael6255]

​@tohaason the modern Egyptians are not the same as the classic Egyptians, and the classic Egyptians were not the same as the prehistoric Egyptians. The Egyptians, as you, in the 21st century see them, DID NOT BUILD THE PYRAMIDS. There are workers on the plateau who's ancestors have been excavating for well over a thousand years. They are more connected to the pyramids than anyone in modern Egypt and THEY came from somewhere else.

[@tohaason]

@@jamesbael6255 The Egyptians back then were the Egyptians of that time, how much or how little the population has changed over time - little or much - is of no importance. The point is and was only that the people of the time, with the (well known) tools at the time, built the pyramids, and there is zero need to involve andvanced-disappeared-without-a-trace civilizations of the Graham Hancock type to explan the pyramids. Or anything else in the ancient world.

[@CaliKiwi-]

It’s simply a fact.

[@kariannecrysler640]

It does get tiring how inept people assume the people of antiquity were. They were just as capable as we are today.

[@michaelharrison72]

Probably more so in a lot of aspects.

[@v.m.a.d.l.e.6972]

They were more capable than today, given than they had to figure out and make everything by themselves, unlike the current era where most people are uncapable of doing so many things, just because they know how to use a computer or a smartphone they believe to be superior when everything they use is really made by a long chain of other people who produce materials parts and assembling.

[@danielgregg2530]

Just look at the Republican Congress in the fall of 2023.

[@davidclark573]

tHIS SHOW DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HANCOCKS POSITION IS.

[@CorporateNothing]

you're right, he thinks wizards high on salvia and ayahuasca were so spiritually advanced they built ancient high technology and transmitted advanced esoteric knowledge with their minds, man...@@davidclark573

[@MrScandinavio]

I love conspiracy theories and alternative history debates for the entertainment value. But, also it then promotes videos like this, where by amazing public education videos are made for general betterment of our understanding of our history. Thank you WoA for this awesome video! ❤

[@laidman2007]

A bit offensive to say that a prior advanced civilization (or extraterrestials?) had to have intervened, implying that paleolithic hunters and gatherers wouldn't have been intellectually capable of constructing Gobekli Tepe.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

It's also been noted that Hancock used to also claim the people from Atlantis were white, which quickly makes it racist to suggest all the non white people needed the white man to teach them how to stack rocks.

[@user-ix7lg5ws9c]

​@@NinjaMonkeyPrimeand that is exactly why your theories are inferior to someone like Hancock's. You can't imagine an alternative idea because suddenly its racist to suggest the random brown people who claim such advances might be mis- interpreting their history.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

@@user-ix7lg5ws9c Are you sure you even know what Hancock says? Because he's literally on record in saying that the people from Atlantis were white. Then he's tried to backtrack from the obvious racist implications. It's really hard to take Hancock fans seriously when they appear to have no clue what he's actually said.

[@woodcuzz69]

I think they white too, it makes sense.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@user-ix7lg5ws9c It is in fact racist to say exactly what you're saying. You whining won't change that and also proves the obvious, that this was never about genuine curiosity but a need to take away the achievements of all non-white people and assign them to white people. Herman Göring would congratulate you.

[@TheMuseumGuyIsrael]

"They were smarter than that!" This is my father's typical response to people always arguing from personal incredulity about the dumbfounding advanced abilities of the ancients. People just assumed because they are ancient that they are therefore "primitive".. My father is an archaeologist and doctoral student at Tel Aviv University, by the way.

[@TheMuseumGuyIsrael]

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ a recognized institution with international credibility on these matters

[@TheMuseumGuyIsrael]

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ you want a fight. And I don't give a damn. Happy trolling

[@TheMuseumGuyIsrael]

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ in the very least they demonstrate that the person who made the statement has some credibility since he has rigorous training from TAU. Anyone who knows anything about archaeology knows about this university

[@TheMuseumGuyIsrael]

@@ALook_at_my_picture_ you're wasting me time. Have a nice day

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

​@@ALook_at_my_picture_You're saying that nothing can ever be proven? I'm pretty sure this video shows that the evidence Hancock claims he wanted does in fact exist. If you're trying to be trollish about it, you can say that you still need to research and verify the evidence presented is accurate, but that's easily done by a professional reporter such as Hancock.

[@however-yh2jy]

"You know, we gather here every year, we build some temporary thing, then we disperse and do it all again next year. Wouldn't it be better if we just put a bit more effort in and used rocks? After twenty years it pays for itself. We could decorate it up nice and. . " "Dude! For the last time - we are Hunter Gatherers. We look in hedges, dig up grubs and huck rocks at mammoths. That's that"

[@NightWipe]

I had a bias going into this video since I like Graham, but your video was well-made, and you helped me keep an open mind during the video. Thanks for the video!

[@otherperson]

I'd recommend other videos on this channel!

[@iamthebroker]

Me too. Exactly what I was thinking!

[@user-ur2sc4hx7d]

hello I am a French sculpture teacher and passionate about archeology... SO BRAVO!!! finally, coherent and structured work on this founding subject of our cultures. YES we must clearly understand this extraordinary mutation and feel this pre-agricultural human journey.

[@alexcarter2542]

Thank you so much for making this video, Dr. Miano: The KZbin "DIY Archaeology," community was severely in need of a comprehensive effort to inform the community of work that has been done (in some or even many cases) many decades ago that paints exactly the picture that Graham Hancock (and others) have been claiming for years does not exist: That the move towards megalithic construction (sites) was a gradual one, and most certainly did not, "appear out of nowhere." I know you put a lot of hard work into this video and judging from a brief glance at the comments section, your efforts were well worth the while. I see dozens and dozens of comments reflecting a lot of, "wow, I never knew that," and, "I used to be a proponent of the lost civilization hypothesis, and your videos have slowly assisted me in emerging from ignorance." Great work, Dr. Miano. You really are a gifted educator and an invaluable member of the community.

[@cattymajiv]

Best comment here Alex! I would love Dr Miano to know how very important he and his work are, and how much it's appreciated by those of us who are very alarmed that so many people actually believe GH's garbage! Thank you for echoing my thoughts!

[@alexcarter2542]

@@cattymajiv couldn't agree more. And that's exactly what GH's stuff is: Pure friggin garbage. And I feel so bad for all of the people who are pulled into his sensationalist idiocy.

[@CoercedJab]

Lmfao: “used to be a proponent of the lost civilization hypothesis, and your videos have slowly assisted me in emerging from *ignorance*." Not very subtle 😂 What’s wrong with a lost civilization hypothesis anyways? Did we not lose a civilization or two along the way? 🤔

[@Natef89]

​@@CoercedJab if you're going to be completely objective with yourself you must admit that believing in Graham's lost civilization hypothesis requires ignorance of certain archeological facts. I mean, ignorance is basically the crux of Graham's theories. It's all "lost knowledge." What is loss of knowledge if not ignorance?

[@hedgehog3180]

@@CoercedJab You sound like we dropped civilizations out of a bag while catching the bus or something.

[@krisb6643]

"Even Chris Dunn won't be found at Gobekli Tepe putting a straight edge up to one of the T-pillars"... bravo sir! A masterful video, as every. thank you for your hard work and research 👍

[@Spielkalb-von-Sparta]

I had to smile as well hearing this remark.

[@russpekt155]

Excellent work and I myself am ever so appreciative to have come across this highly informative channel.

[@enduropancenoye]

Love this explanation & elaboration of the gradual growth & development things ! Thank you for the lecture Mr. Miano 👽🙏

[@robertbihn3005]

I'm surprised by this info and didn't know it existed. You gave me a better understanding. It was well presented, thank you.

[@Bingobanana4789]

Most of what he showed was built after gobekli tepe

[@ravon1982]

@@Bingobanana4789 which ones?

[@Bingobanana4789]

@@ravon1982all bar one site which is contemporary. He basically lied through his teeth

[@Jonathan-xd3gy]

The problem with Graham’s theories is that he often uses phrases like “suddenly”, “just pops up” and “out of nowhere”. Which gives a false impression that these advancements are not a result of technological progression. It replaces all that you’ve explained in this video with a more simplistic but dramatic alternative which caters to people’s imagination rather than sense. I’ve followed Grahams work for several years and I really like the fact that he’s made ancient history and prehistory more popular. But it’s come at a cost. The hard work of people like you and other historians and archaeologists have been over shadowed by a more “fun” and “dramatic” alternative. Thank you for your videos, they are very important.

[@loke6664]

Well, to be fair do you have a point. Graham do make people interested in the past but he also spend a lot of time complaining about experts in the area not knowing what they are talking about and that is a bit dangerous. Presenting theories without any evidence as facts is becoming more and more popular in many different subjects and far too many people are too lazy to bother fact checking things today. Graham is charismatic and a competent writer, I just wish he started to write science fiction books instead, he clearly have a talent for it.

[@tomkus333]

Díky, přisvojím si z Vaší reflexe nový terminus technicus přesně postihující povahu věci: "dramatická alternativa", nebo lépe "zábavná dramatická alternativa". Přidám z jiných povedených pojmenování "nevzdělaný křižák" a ze sebe "assasin vědy". Dík! Až Vám bude smutno, sledujte prosím kanály Daniken, Childress, Tsoukalos, Sitchin, Sueneé, Blochová...nakonec ´Úžasný svět záhad" Tom 49/44/29//13/22/57 Thanks, I will give you a new Terminus technicus from your reflection exactly affecting the nature of the thing: "dramatic alternative", or a better "entertaining dramatic alternative". I will add from other hilarious names "uneducated Crusader" and from myself "Assasin Science". Thanks! When you feel sad, please watch the channels Daniken, Childress, Tsoukalos, Sitchin, Suene, Bloch ..... Tom 49/44/29//13/22/57

[@jeremysmith4620]

The sad thing is that history really doesn't need the added hyperbole or intentional falsehoods used by Hancock and his ilk. There aren't a ton of great ancient history communicators where some scientific disciplines, like those relating to space, are blessed with a plethora of amazing public voices. That's one of the reasons I really appreciate Dr. Miano, he has not only the passion for the material, but the ability to speak clearly, effectively, captivatingly, and with a manner that just oozes with live and respect for the material. Dr. Miano is one of the few ancient history voices I feel comfortable calling anywhere approaching Sagan-esque. Like the great Carl Sagan, Dr. Miano also obviously has such passion for the material the has devoted his life to and is able to infect listeners with that same sense of excitement and reverence. Not to be forgotten, because it may be one of the most important aspects of Sagan's work, but Dr. Miano also never comes across as anything, but patient, kind, understanding, humble, and willing to have a conversation with anyone about the material and always approaches it in good faith. These days those are exceedingly rare qualities for anyone to possess one or even two of, but ancient history is lucky to have someone that happens to embody all those qualities. It is voices like his we so desperately need to push back against Hancock and his fellow grifters in the age of anti-intellectualism. I simply can't thank Dr. Miano enough for what he does because he manages to do all the above and also remain extremely fun to watch, perhaps the most important of all these accolades, because if no one wanted to watch his content the other qualities wouldn't matter.

[@jackrifleman562]

The strange thing is that in GH's world his lost civilization apparently popped up out of nowhere and then disappeared without a trace because of some catastrophe. He doesn't provide any evidence of its development thru time. It is just there one day and gone the next. Its survivors then went on and introduced overnight technological developments elsewhere even though the evidence in those areas indicates gradual technological development. All without the survivors bothering to simply relocate and rebuild their own civilization which they obviously still had the technology to do if they were spreading it all over the place. GH is so full of logical inconsistencies and cherry picking of data that it is amazing that anyone takes him seriously.

[@telebubba5527]

@@loke6664 He's a nutcase and a fraud. Absolutely nothing charismatic about him. But then you probably think that Tump was a good president also...

[@IanM-id8or]

Hancock's speech on Rogan's show amounts to, "I haven't seen evidence for your entirely reasonable theory, so I'll believe in this pile of obvious BS until you prove me wrong - and probably still after that"

[@richlancaster8336]

whatever the hoards of gullible people will consume, so he can live off the advertizing revenue, what a charalatan...

[@captntorthenaer-do-wellcad3191]

Thank you for taking the considerable time to debunk the uneducated foolishness of Graham Hancock!

[@mnomadvfx]

IMHO it's not a lack of education - it's intentional obfuscation to keep his source of revenue secure. It's the same reason he regularly defames archaeology so that his fans won't go looking for more detailed knowledge that would refute his flimsy claims.

[@juliejanesmith57]

Usually when someone- ESPECIALLY someone who’s expertise is not in the field they are speaking of- disagrees with an overwhelming consensus of the scientific community based on a “lack” of evidence, there isn’t actually any lack of evidence, just their OWN lack of KNOWLEDGE of the existing evidence.

[@DavidRayBurroughs]

the personal lack of facts and then confusion of hypothesis with conclusion simplifies the theory making of those who cannot be troubled with the pesky problem of learning when it interferes with their making money.

[@jzakora]

Well, keep in mind that, like the video said, those other sites weren't found yet. That episode was like a decade ago. His right to hypothesize was real at the time. Shermer's prediction has turned out accurate though.

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

Hancock has already made up his mind. it's very profitable to do his grift, and very popular. he's not the only one either. no amount of evidence will change people like them.

[@teodorferseta8254]

@@jzakora >His right to hypothesize was real at the time. Not really. Any reasonable person in good faith would have assumed that the missing developmental links just weren't found yet. His explanation was a stretch, even for someone unfamiliar with how painstaking archeological discovery actually is.

[@joeluna7729]

@JulieJaneSmith57, very well stated.

[@dazuk1969]

I do find it interesting that Graham Hancock demands evidence of a gradual progression in human development to believe it. Which does actually exist as this vid explains. Yet he has no problem believing in a high tech civilisation of which we can find no trace. Don't expect a reply from him anytime soon David.

[@ihatespam2]

Yeah, he’s in no way being scientific. He just feeds like a vampire off the ignorance of others.

[@-Gorbi-]

No trace? The entire series was about traces of a previous civilization. Balbek, Nan Madol, Sacsayhuaman, Yonaguni, Malta, Bimini Road, Derinkuyu, etc

[@craigwatson4413]

Clueless , you ever heard of the ice age ? Do you realise how much ice was all over the planet ? Do you realise how much that ice would weigh??? Any trace would of been ground to dust under the glaciers .. Look up the London hammer , then come with an opinion pfft

[@brittoncooper1251]

@@craigwatson4413 Might be worth your time to look at the extent of the Ice Age glaciers and, more importantly, how far those glaciers were from the areas being talked about. Almost all of northern continental Europe was completely free of ice, naturally everything south was well. Maybe your magical advanced society lived in Norway and managed to remove all trace of their existence from everywhere unaffected by the glaciers?

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@craigwatson4413 *_"Any trace would of been ground to dust under the glaciers "_* But that is not evidence that there was ever anything there. And it's "would _have_ been", not would "of" been. {:o:O:}

[@Tommyandersonskateboard]

Nice work brother! I’m going to watch this video more times because it has a lot of information, thank you! By the way, the history of humanity definitely needs to be rewritten, as we can see advanced civilizations didn’t start as we are usually taught nowadays.

[@ChrisMaveric]

Few video's warrant a recommendation for "all" to watch... this "is" one. Amazing amount of rich content for others to build upon... a game changing opportunity. Bravo to the author(s) of this video!

[@SobekLOTFC]

Keep up the awesome job, Dr Miano 👏

[@stevenvandorn8500]

Excellent! I'm so happy to see a respectful answer to a question that I think was honest. I am so used to hearing fringe ideas being shut down and silenced without regard or anything but condescension and hatefulness. I really like Graham Hancock because I believe he is genuine, and I really like you Dr. M., because you are fair. I've commented on many of your videos and you always read and respond. You never bashed me for thinking the alternate history hypothesis was plausible. After Ancient Apocalypse came out, I was enthralled with the idea. Graham gets so much hate from scholars, but he won my interest in the subject. It's you, Dr. Miano, that clarified on the facts. You took the time to make a reasonable argument. If scientists shut down fringe ideas without ever respecting the who and why behind them, we'll be hard-pressed to find out something new. Your thoughtfulness and dedication inspires me so much Dr. Thank you for clarifying a magnificent mystery for me. When I win the lotto, we're goin' to Egypt haha.

[@PeggyMF2]

Exactly! Calling some one stupid does not make a good argument. Dr. Miano makes reasoned arguments and he makes sense.

[@ramonazteca9121]

Outstanding and precise reply. Thank you for your work, friend!

[@Richard1A2B]

A fabulous debunking. Thank you for taking the time and trouble. What's great is you are so educational, a great teacher!

[@tcolley]

‘Debunking’ is generous. Especially unchallenged

[@tcolley]

‘hunter gatherer’ by definition was nomadic. Funny how flexible we are with definitions when there’s a common enemy.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@tcolley You consider hunter gatherer's your enemy???

[@hughjanus5336]

Göbekli Tepe was not a settlement. There is no evidence that anyone lived there. The builders visited the site occassionally. No one besides Grandcock is asserting otherwise.

[@Richard1A2B]

@tcolley if you were familiar with many Hunter Gatherer sites even as far west as Star Carr you'd be aware that Hunter Gatherers, or more correctly Late Mesolithic, had already built regular seasonal sites which were stayed in for extended periods, they also started exporting grains.

[@codyclick190]

I would like to point out how much quality work is showcased here. Not only all the historical research but adding additional context to the places and discussions while staying respectful and giving sources. Great work Dr. Miano

[@WildAlchemicalSpirit]

I concur. 👌

[@tolotolo2380]

Wow historical research like in real science how could I miss it?

[@cattymajiv]

@@tolotolo2380 WTF are you trying to say?

[@tolotolo2380]

@@cattymajiv dude I am saying that most historians are full of shit peace brother

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

​@@tolotolo2380most "historians" are not actual historians, just grifters with a big ego and a very childlike imagination

[@deotank]

Good example for such carvings (petroglyphs) are the ones found in the Konkan Coast of India. Some of them are even contemporary with Gobekli Tepe! Look for the sites of Kasheli, Pansaimal, Ukshi

[@KrugerFS]

Good video, I'd have to watch Graham's again and this one again before commenting on your commentary, but it seemed fairly thorough.

[@maau5trap273]

Simply amazing video, I wasn’t aware of such impressive archeological sites.

[@joannemarin1067]

Graham never asks or answers the question “where did the advanced civilization learn their techniques”. Was it a different advanced civilization?

[@beepboop204]

tis the basic slippery slope argument, kicking the problem up a level doesnt really solve anything because you basically just CHANGED THE SUBJECT

[@leemorris7124]

No he doesnt thats true. That doesnt mean the advanced civilisation learnt it from someone else though. They might have invented it no?

[@TookieMacSpookie]

Yes he does!!! Basically the foundation of his work over the last 30 yra. 🤷‍♂️

[@PlatinumAltaria]

It was "jewish alien lizard people" but everyone laughs in his face when he says that, so usually he keeps it quiet.

[@sampagano205]

​@@leemorris7124if they're capable of invention autonomously, why are the ancient people whose work they're being credited with incapable of it? It seems very weird that ancient non white civilizations needed someone else to make these things for them, but then it's assumed the hypothetical group who are being given credit did not need outside help to invent these things.

[@SaszaDerRoyt]

Graham's line of argumentation strikes me as very similar to that of creationists, asking for evidence of transitional forms and then claiming his own ignorance of those transitional forms as evidence that a much wilder claim with even less evidence is somehow the more reasonable explanation

[@SaszaDerRoyt]

As both an archaeologist and a religious person who believes in a fully scientific explanation for the world, I find this sort of thing very frustrating, since the evidence is so abundant but is often communicated very poorly to the general public, so so much has to be established to help these people understand. Thankfully folks like Dr. Miano are doing great work in communicating this research to address specific misconceptions like this!

[@adamthaxton3157]

@@SaszaDerRoyt That's because Creationists don't worship a God, they worship a book, and if they can't cram the handprints of the universe INTO that book, they ignore it. It's infuriating.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

thing is, like most creationist apologists, Hancock knows the evidence exists, he has been shown it multiple times before and then just claims it doesn't exist whenever there's no-one in the room who can present it on the spot. Hancock wouldn't ever agree to be on Rogan if MiniMinuteMan or Dr M were the guests, you know, actual historians, because they would have already looked up his arguments and have evidence ready to go. Instead, he always goes on opposite a physicist or biologist, someone who doesn't have expert knowledge in the field.

[@berniemaopolski4870]

Drop the mic 🎤. Great work. Thanks for your efforts to counter all the BS being put out.

[@lutherandross3165]

This is a false equivalence. Graham is distinctly from the school of secularistic deconstructionism of the postmodern ilk. He uses this methodology to enhance his own bias in a field that requires physical evidence, of which, he has none. Creationists, conversely, are just confused religious types who don’t understand that the scientific method is not applicable in matters of faith, God etc. These subjects are not falsifiable or provable. So its pointless to ask a creationist for evidence & it’s pointless for a creationist to attempt to find it. It’s not pointless to ask Graham for evidence. It’s a requirement given the subject matter.

[@gualtergutierrez1166]

Its really nice to listen to you when u speak like this. Keep doing It like this. Great video!

[@TimTrOn3000]

Wow, superb job. You have earned my subscription in the realest sense

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Awesome, thank you!

[@boatcaptain6288]

I used to be one of these people who thought that the most ancient civilizations had "high technology" because a lot of the megalithic stonework was "impossible", but thanks to your channel I'm actually educated now. The only lost technologies are patience and ingenuity!

[@user-un8tv1pp8m]

What helped me was the russian experimental archeologist gang "scientists against myth". Wanna see a beautiful young woman grind a stone vase, using only wood, sand and sand stone? They did it. Boring holes? - they show you three dudes drinking beer and lazily cut one into granite with a swinging drill the take turns at, "Cutting stone cant be done with copper? They did that. Then showed the method also works with hard wood and fresh bone as cutting edges. I tended to believe the "ancient civilization" trope for decades, it was popular in my family. At this point ... if I can be bothered I send them links.

[@claudiaxander]

" patience and ingenuity! " The same skills now needed to hear people talk of lost advanced technology from atlantis without spitting out my coffee! Congratulations for being open to the evidence.

[@boatcaptain6288]

@@claudiaxander I think one of the reasons people are more willing to embrace those silly theories is because they think our history as we know it is "boring". They want excitement. And they also want to believe they're onto something the rest of us aren't, they're unique, part of a small group of people who know the "truth" and are "fighting for the truth". They want to be the "protagonist" of real life, in a sense.

[@DavidRayBurroughs]

the GHs are among the number who enjoy the money and fame from these ahistorical popular narratives, and GH is infamous for saying I am saying what these other people say, argue with them, don't pick on me!

[@iakahdrake2801]

Might also add "tremendous religious motivation to stack rocks on top of each other" to the list. Oh wait, we haven't fully lost that yet...

[@ladeedaa]

I also used to be one who subscribed to this ancient high civilization idea! Turns out I was just uneducated! The more I learn and the more I research into ancient history, it all makes perfect sense! I was truly a perfect example of Dunning Kreuger. Thanks for all you do to educate us on this phenomenal history! The more I learn the more I realize their is no one hiding the truth, their is no one lying to us! This is our history as humans and its amazing to learn about!

[@ladeedaa]

However I must add, if it wasn't for people like Graham I would have never became so captivated by our ancient ancestors! Soo thank you Graham and all other confused ancient history buffs!

[@MrAchile13]

It's very smart to correct one's mistakes as new evidence comes into light. The sad part is these fringe youtubers and writers have a cult following of drone like individuals that you cannot reason with, who will ignore literally all data, will go into heavy cognitive dissonance and nothing will change their minds.

[@v.m.a.d.l.e.6972]

When we are young it is easier to jump into trends that seem revolutionary from our own naive point of view (and oftenly very simplistic which require no learning or studying), good thing that you could go past that phase, many don't.

[@winstonsears6293]

I find the more I study and search out answers the more questions appear. It has become obvious to me that neither Hancock or the structured archeologist is capable of satisfying. It is enjoyable looking into all the information available and attempting to sort the wheat from the chaff in my own mind. It is nothing more than a futile exercise for any one individual or group to form a collective agreement on the unknown. By all means do have fun guessing and sharing everyone

[@MrAchile13]

@@winstonsears6293 Although there are plenty uncertainties, there is a huge difference between fringe pseudo-scientists like Hancock and the scientific method. One should not ignore that. Guessing might be fun, but if it's not in accordance with the scientific data, what use is it?

[@paigemprice]

I love the excitement I hear in your descriptions

[@onnodiggeheim]

Dear sir! I only - so sorry - found your channel only yesterday. Watched the video about sacsayhuan. "If you would only be more direct" and showed sonewhat more tenaciousness" , I thought. And today I saw your reply to Graham Hancock about Gobleki Tepe!: What a joy and strength! Your road could not have been easy. But your self-esteem has won! Thank you so very much! It will be a long fight against the Hancock's ànd their younger successors. So proud of you that you dare to take this on. 🙏

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thank you!

[@michaelglynn9329]

The ritual burial and abandonment of sites is incredibly interesting. I wish an advanced civilization had taught them how to write so we could know what they were thinking!

[@dreamtowermedia5301]

You're assuming that writing is a sign of a superior civilization.

[@dendikke3]

I wonder how they know it was a "ritual burial" in stead of other asshole humans fucking other human's shit up. We see that stuff all the time trough out history and even in current times. Just come in, ruin other people's day, break their stuff.. Mind you, I'm just a random guy with a shower thought here

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Let's explain this with the 3 little pigs. The first pig builds a house of straw, the second builds a house of wood, and the third builds a house of brick. Then we wait 10000 years. The straw has rotted, the wood has rotted, and the bricks are still around. You conclude that brick buildings came out of nowhere, spontaneously! They must've been taught how to build by an alien race! Stoneworking is a very old craft, and woodworking is probably even older. There's no evidence that any of these things appeared suddenly, they only seem sudden from an archaeological perspective because so much of the contemporary work has been lost to time.

[@geopietro]

Great research. Time consuming but productive. Thank you.

[@lucaschapel7197]

As one of Graham's biggest supporters, I absolutely love this video! It's really refreshing to get a different perspective on the matter, delivered in this nature. Phenominal video! :)

[@warrenny]

Good for you. it is good to question everything. Which is one of the (few) things I like about Hancock. I like his persistence in questioning the establishment. But he goes into snowflake mode when he doesn't get enough recognition. And he isn't the first person to ask the very same questions he is asking. My conclusion is that he does what he does to sell books/make money. The truth is we all want to make money....and this is his niche. I respect him for his ability to make money from all this. Everyone making youtube channels are all here to do the same thing.

[@weisthor0815]

@@warrenny of course he wants to bring some bread on his table, but i also think he is doing this not just for the money, but out of sincere passion.

[@user-un8tv1pp8m]

@@weisthor0815 "some bread to the table"..... Yeah, have a look at his book sales numbers and what a BBC-Docu-hosting pays? The man has grown massively rich for a writer who claims to do non-fiction. We are talking at least double-digit millions. Personally - I know smart and well-eductated professionals like our dear host here in WoA have been explaining to Mr Hanckock for decades why this or that or more of his points are most probably wrong or not supported by anything. Yet he goes on multiplying the stuff - the same stuff he has been schooled on for decades - over and over, while heaping up considerable riches through that storytelling. I´ve stopped considering him an honest actor long ago. Just like Däniken or similar characters, there comes a point where you either have to assume the person is mentally deficient to still repeat stuff they have been corrected on over and over - or accept they are smart liars and grifters, beguiling their audience with made-up stories they know are false. I dont assume Hancock - or Daniken for that - to be stupid.

[@warrenny]

I do agree. He does have a sincerity about all of it, for sure. And truthfully, I agree with his general premise: that humans had quite stunning levels of civilizations prior to Gobekli. But he trades on Hollywood tropes and short fiction pulp to garner attention.....I mean, hey, there's nothing wrong with doing it his way. I guess I am one of the "slow and steady wins the race" kind of person. So to each his own. I still dislike his constant whining about how archeology won't lavish him with recognition. @@weisthor0815

[@Bingobanana4789]

It is good to question that’s why miano had to admit on Reddit that he got most of the dating of those sites incorrect. Spoofed they were older than they really are

[@jaisuryabanerjee]

A long-time Graham Hancock fan here. What a brilliant presentation of facts, it completely changed my perspective on the GT site and its implications for contemporary archaeology. Thank you for putting this together. Would love to see you on Joe Rogan someday! Cheers

[@anthonyoer4778]

He's saying natufian culture led to GT but GT is dated to 10,000 years older...

[@MattGrandis]

@@anthonyoer4778Who dated Gobekli Tepe to 25,000 years ago?

[@anthonyoer4778]

@@MattGrandis Klaus Schmidt, who has since died in 2014...

[@anthonyoer4778]

@MattGrandis Klaus Schmidt dated GT to 22 000 bc. He died in 2014. It has since been redated to 8,000 bc...odd isn't it? In the very jor rogan podcast episode, Hancock uses Schmidts dating hence his theory for a missing civilization. The new dating oddly makes Gobekle tepe younger than Jericho.

[@MattGrandis]

@@anthonyoer4778Hm, looks like my comment didn't go through, probably because I included links. I can't find any evidence that Schmidt dated the site older than 11,000 years. There's an interview with Smithsonian Magazine from 2008 where Schmidt talks about the site being 11,000 years old, and on the website of University Münster there are still links to his lectures (2013/2014, right before his death) where he, too, said the site is 11,000 years old. If he ever mentioned an earlier date, his research up until his death must have led him to the conclusion that the site was 11,000 years old.

[@avrywilson577]

This is a landmark video, David. Extremely well done. Thank you for taking the time to research and present it. Bravo!!

[@jenny6253]

What the heck. He mentioned that they used a granite pestle and mortar and built structures out of LIMESTONE then 300 yrs later we are to believe they had the ability to cut gigantic stones of GRANITE/BASALT weighting multiple tons cart them up a mountain miles away from where they were quarried?? Come on, your kidding right!!!

[@Bingobanana4789]

He presented a load of lies about the dates on those sites. None of them were prior to gobekli tepe

[@hedgehog3180]

@@Bingobanana4789 Liar.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@jenny6253 Where?

[@ricardvs7329]

This is the definition of "I can't imagine them doing it, therefore they couldn't have done it"

[@rjbennett3418]

Tried that in Vegas. I couldn't imagine Kansas City would beat San Francisco in the Superbowl. Still didn't get my money though.

[@lincolnyaco5626]

It speaks to a paucity of imagination.

[@pkrmkn31]

thats not what he says though.you lot are weird

[@davidwhite6479]

It's the same principle used by people who don't believe that humans make crop circles. "People (i.e. me) can't do that so it must be aliens"

[@davejob630]

an excellent presentation, thank you.

[@QUIRK1019]

Hancock's theories are called imaginative, but it seems to me like a severe LACK of imagination. Reality may be mundane, but it is far, far more complex and fascinating than a lost civilization.

[@kennethchrzanowski6165]

There is a difference between "arguing to convince" and "arguing to win". This has been the former. Thank you.

[@mw8498]

Mr. Hancock's arguments for everything have always been, "This is what existed but I have no evidence. You just need to accept my opinion as fact."

[@varyolla435]

aka: _"ask me.......I'll tell you"_ "what if......" argumentation. p.s. - people further need to understand the basis of such argumentation. To try to argue for a thing when you lack any real evidence to lend proof of concept is to generate arguments supported by assumptions. There happens to be a term for such dubious "analysis" = _"argumentum ad ignorantiam"_ - a logical/deductive fallacy. To then take it a step further to make yet more assumptive conclusions based upon your initial *unsubstantiated* assumptions then runs afoul of Occam's Razor as you then have assumptions supporting assumptions of assumptions - usually to rationalize yet more assumptions. Moral of the story: when people understand above = they will have the basis to counter all so-called "alternative" claims as invariably they are all representative of such assumptive argumentation. You create conclusions - or supposition - based upon "knowns" = not "unknowns" - which is what the "alternative" schtick is doing. Enjoy your day.

[@andyf1235]

The more of your videos I watch the more I am blown away with ancient humans. Such a fascinating subject. I can't be bothered researching this myself but I really appreciate the time and effort you take to make your videos. All presented in such a way that is interesting and engaging. The world has a shortage of great educators like yourself.

[@Radzta]

“I can’t be bothered” … a real truth seeker 😂😂😂

[@andyf1235]

@@Radzta I mean I'm realistically not going to go and send a heap of time researching this stuff myself but I enjoy learning about it. Similar to watching a documentary on something of interest but wouldn't send heaps of time to research it myself.

[@ullrich]

This is fantastic. You know, society and technology rarely make huge leaps in short periods of time - it's a gradual process that builds on itself, and I think the same is true for the concept of permanent communities, settlements, and cities. So if you grant that, then you would absolutely expect to see examples along the continuum between pure hunter gatherers and, let's say, Ur or Babylon; Alpha and Beta versions of "civilization" so to speak. What you've shown here is a great example of region where humans truly were beta testing the concept of settled civilization and society. It's so fascinating to me. How did they divide the labor and choose who did what? How did they divide resources? What were their languages like? What stories brought them together? Did people get excited about making the trek to a hub like Gobekli Teppe? I can imagine families and tribes from around the region packing up and making the journey, and how truly amazing it must have been to see a place like that bustling with activity for the first time. Anyway, thanks for the very thorough walk through all of this. I'll never understand why people have to make up fantastical interpretations of human history when it's already so awe inspiring.

[@telebubba5527]

If you would have told people 100 years ago about rockets to the moon (and it not being of cheese), Mars, Out of the solar system, about computers, self driving cars, tele conferences, they would have locked you up. Only in my life alone, I'm now 67, have I seen unimaginable developments occur and I can assure you that I've always been on top of the game. Changes can happen very fast. Just look at the speed smartphones took off. Unthinkable before the year 2000, you'd have a phone the size of a suitcase and extremly unhandy and no internet. The fact that we can communicate just like this and if need be even in real time, just sitting at home....

[@ullrich]

@@telebubba5527 To be more specific, what I meant is that on the scale of all human existence, much of our progress has been along a slow, gradual curve for both technological and societal improvement/development. If you had traced average human development in these categories from 300,000 years ago to about 500 years ago, it would be a very shallow curve. There might be a few spots where you could point to faster or slower development, I just mean on average. You're right that in the last 200 years, specifically the last 100, that curve has certainly become very steep, but this makes up a very small portion of the timeline relatively speaking. In any case, my point is simply that you would expect to find all of these gradual stages of development between hunter-gatherers and city states, and that it's really cool to have more and more of the space between those two points filled out with growing archeological finds.

[@andrewblackard3369]

Thanks for doing this. Fascinating! The Natufians have been an interest of mine for a long while. My personal hypothesis is that the Natufians expanded north with their wild rye food processing and storage technology and met another culture in Anatolia that had massive einkorn wheat resources to which the same food processing technologies could be applied. The chocolate got applied to the peanut butter and this Anatolian culture bloomed. I read a paper a while back that proposed the shift from circular to rectangular architecture was merely a response to population density and the extra corner space provided more living space in an urban environment.

[@cattymajiv]

I've seen the same in a few places, and it makes complete sense. Without any population pressure there seem to me to be more advantages to the round buildings, but when space and building materials both become more limited, the square or rectangle can become more advantageous. But whether the issue at the time was space or materials was not addressed by what I read. I'm sure it varies by the site.

[@andrewblackard3369]

@@cattymajiv Thanks. I guess I didn't explain that remark well. On the topic of a record of cultural evolution, I think I have read that there are both circular and rectangular constructions at Golbeki Tepe. One paper on Israeli settlements proposed the earlier structures were imitations of tents, or just force of habit of building that way from before permanent structures.

[@bhbluebird]

Great job, and very informative. Looking forward to the Gunung Padang video.

[@outdooryooper]

I've always liked the information you present. I'm curious about this same kind of information regarding technology leading up to the Antikythera Mechanism and the pyramids.

[@Ni999]

Another fabulous job. Many thanks!

[@themysteryofbluebirdboulevard]

When someone's wallet is reliant on certain beliefs, those beliefs are unlikely to change.

[@loke6664]

Not to mention when someone life work and income is based on them.

[@zuur0]

Great information, I loved the formatting of the video, the organization, the call backs to Graham's statements. Great video, really liked it. I feel education and I can see all the thought and effort that went into making such a high quality video. Though, I had to watch and re-watch your video a few times to cut through the smug tone (perhaps a rightfully earned tone) that was so very distracting. I came here curious about other's opinions and I seem to have stumbled on a personal feud. In and effort to filter out my own biases, I will sub your channel and watch all your videos. I enjoyed the video and I thank you for taking the time and putting forth really good content.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I am confused by your comment. Graham asked for information, and then I provided it in the most gracious way possible. What is this talk about smugness and feuding? Honestly befuddled. 🤔

[@Bingobanana4789]

@@WorldofAntiquityyou didn’t provide any evidence at all. How is showing Qermez dere which is 1000 years younger than gobekli tepe evidence of progression. It’s 1000 years younger how is that progression???

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@Bingobanana4789 You have your facts wrong. Recheck the carbon dates.

[@Oriol-oo7jl]

1- Impressive video. I applaude your work, research and exposition 2- You are truly a gentleman and have class and style (with your words, at least) 3- Watching your video occured to me that it would be nice to live in Gobekli Tepe at that time, thousands of years ago. It sounded like a swell place (with the abundance of resources) and nice people (with the community feeling). (Your video was just inspiring lol) 4-I didn't know about this man you adress the video to, but although it would be lovely that he would be a gentleman too and respond to your video with the same respect and open-hands you do, I seriously doubt it, since it seems that he makes a living with the alternative theories

[@bigmal1690]

Hancock maybe wrong about a lot of things for sure, But me and I would say many others would have never heard of these places and other things only because of him, and we've gotten interested in them and learned more about them for ourselves. And I think I'll give him credit for that. That's were he has the edge over the academia

[@Bingobanana4789]

One thing Hancock isn’t wrong on is that those sites miano shows in the vid we’re built after gobekli tepe

[@taaskeprins]

@@Bingobanana4789 Watch is again......

[@philippebyrnes1213]

Excellent survey of the literature. I think Hancock raised valid questions but this helps answer them very well. I've wondered how many precursor megalithic structures existed undiscovered in SE Anatolia. You helped answer this. Cheers!

[@loke6664]

30 years ago, his questions would have been valid, yes. Today, not so much. Already 30 years ago the Natufians were well known but we still missed a few links in the chain. I don't really buy that Graham never heard of the last 30 years of archaeology in the area though, he is constantly looking for anything he can use in his theory so probably just ignored everything that doesn't fit for him and raised his question to win a point with the listeners who doesn't know much about the subject.

[@Vor567tez]

I will like to know what about rest of the world.

[@CoercedJab]

Yup agreed. And that’s what it’s all about. Imagine if all the heavyweights were debating this and not just “fringe” people or KZbin channel creators 😂

[@loke6664]

@@CoercedJab Archaeologists aren't generally that happy to discuss strange hypothesis with no actual evidence, it isn't really what they do. Historians might be a bit more interested but they are more experts on areas with written records then pre history. Dr Miano however is an actual Historian and there are some archaeologists like Milo from Miniminute man that also debunks things like this on KZbin. But I honestly don't think most professionals really care enough to go on things like the Seth Rogan show, they are more interested in finding out about the past themselves then to educate the masses or debunk any weird theory they hear.

[@nicholasreyling1278]

Honestly an amazing job doing this research!

[@larrygrimaldi1400]

Thanks for all your hard work. Hard to imagine it will have the desired effect.

[@FaridCG]

Thank you for a video and detailed analysis. I am not a fan of Graham Hancock, however as a fan of ancient history it needs to mention that all these places are still poorly studied. Methods of excavation and study are not carried out according to modern standards everywhere. I don't agree with Graham Hancock that this place appeared suddenly, but I also disagree with scientists that this place was created by hunter-gatherers. As for me, all the accessories of civilization are already present here, and I would not be surprised if, over time, writing is also found here.

[@NinjaMonkeyPrime]

There's zero evidence of agriculture and lots of evidence of hunting and gathering. I'm not sure why you would doubt the evidence of how they fed themselves. It's pretty straightforward.

[@robynrides]

Thank you for this educational, interesting and well referenced video. I hope you have also educated journalist Graham Hancock on the subject matter and the correct method of researching a topic. Keep up your great work.

[@robertmcdonnold3038]

As always, you are very thorough. Good job, keep it up. Thanks Bob

[@gailblissitt4504]

Thank you for excellent summery of work…..very clear and understandable . Just found your channel and have subscribed !

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Welcome aboard!

[@arsenicjones9125]

I love these videos cuz ppl like Mr Hancock make it hard as a layperson to learn about proper archeological discovery’s and understandings.

[@krisb6643]

For your ongoing efforts to enducate and inform

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thank you so much!

[@DanDavisHistory]

Nice work, very informative.

[@jamespearce3172]

Love to hear both sides of a story Will be watching without bias 💙🙏💜

[@QuestionsStuff]

This was brilliant I was enthralled

[@matthewconstantine5015]

But Graham is just asking questions... And then completely ignoring the answers because they don't fit the narrative of his next pseudo-science fiction book.

[@craigwatson4413]

Rubbish

[@majdhamdi3330]

Pretty well made video this one 👌 Great job.

[@renaudnormand3246]

Thank you for presenting us with this information which makes so much more sense than these spectacular but unfounded hypotheses.

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

Think of the complexity of negotiating trade and communicating what you had to offer and what you required in return as part of that trade. Cultures mingling and being influenced by trade and availability of materials and connections to other areas geographically. Incredible video. Setting a marker for Hancock

[@CoercedJab]

What does setting a marker for Hancock mean?

[@drbobinski1]

Dare I say Doc that it is time for a "World of Antiquity" Netflix special? It's time for your balanced and thorough viewpoint to be heard by everyone interested in the truth of our past.

[@Spielkalb-von-Sparta]

Unfortunately, David hasn't got any children being "senior manager of unscripted originals" at Netflix, as far as I know.

[@drbobinski1]

@@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Nepotism is still alive and well. Nice insight

[@markwrede8878]

I've always wondered why the advanced knowledge brought to ancient people is so primitive.

[@ingermimi]

Thank you for posting. This is unknown to most of us and extremely interesting!

[@sampagano205]

One piece of evidence id like to put into the record against graham hancocks proposed ancient history is the history channels "Life After People" , both the tv movie and the series. Which in my opinion shows pretty clearly that we would have more evidence of this lost advanced civilization.

[@caodesignworks2407]

Ah, see, that's where you're wrong. They have a way out of that reality. Often I've heard the claim that, at least for "Atlantis" their culture was so advanced that they produced no waste and everything was made out of some kind of bio degradable material and the like. I'm not sure if that's Hancock's opinion or not, but that's the kind of weird logic that pops up often in the "ancient advanced civilization" crowd

[@sampagano205]

@@caodesignworks2407 everything they built was biodegradable except for the very specific things they built that were then claimed by others is a fun unfalsifiable claim.

[@caodesignworks2407]

@@sampagano205 Exactly!

[@GizzyDillespee]

It also was "crystal technology" instead of petroleum technology (plastics etc). IDK what crystal technology is supposed to mean, exactly, so don't ask me. No, I've never seen any real artifacts that looked like anything I'd call crystal technology. Though, most artifacts are in private collections... I'd assume something like that would've gotten out by now. So... no evidence for any kind of ancient advanced technology, other than moving and carving large stones, and whatever biodegradable stuff they made. Probably no nuclear reactors or worldwide container ships.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Probably their carved stones were based on earlier carving of wood and hard animal products. So, designs "suddenly" appearing in stone doesn't mean that the designs were taught from outside. It could mean itinerant craftsmen, or it could mean the people transferred existing arts to stonework, at that point, based on older local artistic traditions and development in the region. Trade and long movements go back much further than we knew about 100 years ago... not like modern technology though. People had seaworthy vessels, but nothing like diesel container ships, or electric ray guns, or crystal wands that controlled the weather... I mean, there must be some convoluted way to get from that kind of society to the evidence we find today, but it would require incredible successful conspiracies, and not one piece of evidence making it thru to modern consciousness, and 100% of the evidence pointing g to the contrary... just the fact that we found oil close to the surface. Our type of society wouldn't have left that available for the future. But anyway.

[@osscouter]

Thank you, Dr. Miano. As usual, your presentation was thorough and well documented.

[@Incorruptus1]

Great work again Doc. Thank you very much!

[@Redbleach]

Well done. Thank You for all this compacted research. I look forward to reviewing More of your material.

[@Bingobanana4789]

You look forward to lies about the dates on ancient sites. Why is that?

[@IntrinsicPalomides]

@@Bingobanana4789You know, regardless of how often you say your lie, it will never make your statement correct. I suspect you are just a mindless bot account though anyways as you only repeat the same rubbish over and over against most comments.

[@ianbrown5619]

You really do make some great content, explained so well and eloquently.

[@christosvoskresye]

Cool. I had assumed the preceding generations had built with carved wood, maybe something like a totem pole. Carving soft rock is a jump from carving wood, but not a ridiculous jump.

[@loke6664]

Well, that isn't exactly wrong. The Shigir idol is a totem pole and 12 500 years old and it was likely not the first of it's kind but since wood rarely survives that long it is impossible to say when that started. I think people probably started with wood but wood never been that plentiful in the area while easy to work stone is. They likely used the wood they had for roofing instead which is way harder to replace with stone. You can see the same phenomena in Skara Brae where they used stone instead of wood to build their entire village due to lack of wood while having plenty of stone. We humans use the easiest material we have plenty of access to when we build stuff, there are exceptions of course but we are practical that way. I mean, no need to import wood if you have lots of good stone and the other way around.

[@LesterBrunt]

why do some think relief carving is somehow super difficult? It is exactly the same as carving something into the stone except you carve away everything outside the line as well. It is just more work, not more difficult.

[@varyolla435]

Key word = _"think."_ So people who are basing conclusions upon "assumption" rather than understanding often end up as you noted arriving at what are really implausible assumptions. Because they do not understand they are susceptible to similarly poorly sourced claims - which in this case are premised upon incredulity of what academia accepts. Of course academia took the time to understand whereas they = did not - hence the problem. Moral of the story: as you noted the process is the same save for you are removing more material rather than less. Yet from an artistic/aesthetic standpoint relieving carving can be more appealing - and in the case of ancient cultures like say the Egyptians who were always trying to "stand out" compared to their peers then relieving carving also reflects = "greatness". It tells the observer that this Pharaoh had the time and resources to engage their craftsmen in more labor intensive work to create something special.

[@brianpoe9144]

Well done! Thank you!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thank you too!

[@nebulan]

Wonderful work. Incredible what they were able to do.

[@MossyMozart]

@nebulan - Yes! Earlier people were not stupid at all, just less experienced. We owe them so very much.

[@tohaason]

@@MossyMozart And even then.. they don't have the same experiences as me, but at the same time they were way more experienced than I am. I'm living in a modern world where I don't actually have to be very experienced at anything, though I'm good at writing using a computer keyboard. Not much, really. Very few of us can do much if we were thrown into a pre-industrial world.

[@imallrightme7336]

Looks like i should dump all my Hancock books.

[@svena.halstensen5699]

9:32 basalt is generally 6-6.5 on the MOHs scale. so just above medium hard. in comparison a fingernail is 2.5, iron is 4.5, steel is 6.5, granite is 7, diamond is 10. the hardness of rock depends also on its actual composition and porosity, so hardness can vary. and keep in mind that this is scratching resistance, not toughness. you can smash a diamond with a iron hammer.

[@emm_arr]

9:28 Yes ... thank you for the pictures of these. I had read that these were sufficiently heavy as to be impractical to move, hence forming a nexus for srepeat visits if not outright settlement well before there was any need to settle and exclusivly do agriculture.

[@ripposte]

The whole 'Ancient High Technology' narrative is very hard to swallow

[@Spielkalb-von-Sparta]

So don't eat it! 😂

[@ccoodd26]

Same with the narrative of how many of these megalithic structures were built.

[@Spielkalb-von-Sparta]

@@ccoodd26 The field of experimental archaeology has vastly improved over the last decades. It's not pure speculation any more like this 'Ancient High Technology' narrative is.

[@kfreckman]

Thank you for the excellent video! I have a strange thought when it comes to Gobekli Tepi - something tells me that it was actually a site that evolved because it was a trading site between groups, almost like the world's first mall.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

I had stated similar sometimes in the past year a few times but was rebuked. The oldest wet market site to date. Narrow path in and out (good for herding). The carvings representing what was for trade in that spot, like a sign.

[@user-td3yi1mq7p]

A huge problem I personally have with "invoking a lost civilisation" is that it just kicks the question of how the technology emerged down the road instead of actually answering it. The best thing I have seen pseudoarchaeologists do is provoke people to make great informative videos like this one.

[@nerdwisdomyo9563]

I love how every response ive seen to Graham Hancock has been incredibly respectful and only attacked his arguments or his impact on the field, while every time ive seen Graham Hancock talk about archeologists he’s made at least one dig at them Its hilarious

[@scribeslendy595]

Graham Hancock and his ilk really give me "fan of an IP that takes their headcanon theory crafting way to seriously" vibes

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

SECRET GOOD FOURTH SHERLOCK EPISODE

[@Talkshowhorse_Echna]

Thank you for this video. I would have never found all that stuff on my own, even though I knew it must be there. Its so interesting how culture evolved over time.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@CoercedJab]

Pisses me off some stuff is behind university paywalls.

[@markbrailsford7502]

You’re best program to date,well researched and narrated much enjoyed thank you.