What Graham Hancock Gets WRONG about Flood Myths

Do the world's Flood legends give testimony to a cataclysmic disaster at the end of the last Ice Age some 12,000 years ago? This analysis of the arguments of Graham Hancock may provide some answers.
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[@WorldofAntiquity]

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[@valmarsiglia]

I mean, it's not like even the most educated ancient Greeks, Mesopotamians, Mayans, or Aztecs had the vaguest concept of the actual geography of the whole world, so that if they said a flood covered the whole world, they'd obviously be referring to their own limited conception of it.

[@celsus7979]

Imagine Noah paddling to Australia to collect kangaroos. And back again after the flood to put them back

[@Texasmade74]

@@celsus7979 Noah never existed. Can you provide evidence he did outside of the Bible?

[@jaymevosburgh3660]

@MR map Ov course the Emu held them off.

[@safi164]

they did'nt even know world was a sphere until like aristotle was the first one to prove it.

[@Texasmade74]

@@safi164 wrong Aristophanes was the first one to publicly say it was round but the Egyptians thought so too

[@pwimbledon]

Never let detail get in the way of a good story. Especially if you've got a book and subsequent tour to promote.

[@fortuitousthings8606]

I agree with you however half of the points made do not address what Hancock actually claims but just points made in the video this guy happened to watch. He knows the archaeology pretty well, but his arguments about what Hancock believes are not what Hancock actually says. For instance Hancock does not say there has to be one single great flood and concedes that there could be multiple simultaneous events, or events over a prolonged period with related causes yet Mr Magoo here, presents Hancock's position as, 'the great flood'. It is not! Just to be clear Hancock is cherry picking, certainly wrong about 99% of what he says but this video badly misrepresents his opinions because the author has not watched or read much of what Hancock has to say or has wrote about his crazy theories.

[@jaybe2908]

@@fortuitousthings8606 I remember when Hancock first came on the scene, his first UK tv programme was interesting so I bought his book that accompanied it. The book wasn't very good, just repeating the same things over and over again, I'm no expert but I have enough common sense to know when someone is trying to dupe me.

[@mrosskne]

​@@fortuitousthings8606 Hancock is a fraud and everything he's ever said is a lie, sorry.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I just can't fathom how so many cultures that lived on the water all had flood stories. ...oh, right.

[@harrywalker968]

viper tv sumerian tablets.. answers all your questions..

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@harrywalker968 I didn't have any.

[@VaughanMcCue]

I am out of my depth when people use fathom in a sentence because it goes right over my head.

[@localbod]

​@@VaughanMcCue Bravo! 👏🤣

[@DrGodzirra]

@@harrywalker968 whoosh

[@twenty3electronics]

“People who live near water are bound to experience floods.” That’s exactly the point I was about to make

[@Maiso23m]

But are they also bound to comet or asteroid impacts ? scientists have found micro spherules of iridium in Syria , europe and north america(40 sites) at the younger dryas boundary of 12800 years ago . Scientists also agree that North America lost 70% of its Mega mammals 12700 years ago. They say europe lost of all its mega mammals around 13thousand years ago.. so if all these “local floods” happened within that same approximate time frame it sounds like a real coincidence

[@samdog166]

I have a friend from the Thames flood plain, just west of London, there’s so many embellished local stories there! Tom Hardy tells one that Charles Bronson (English criminal not American film star) told him haha

[@navinkumarsingh3934]

Look at the mesa in America,this evidence point's to a great erosion that occurred. Travel to India and see the destruction of the ancient Hanstinapur by a flood of the Ganges. So imagine a rapid rise of sea level.Under water ancient cities.Dont blind your self,the Younger Dryes climate change caused by it.

[@MossyMozart]

@twenty3electronics - Also, if folks lived on the banks of a quiet creek that experienced an occasional flash flood, it could have been devastating. If one's hut, grain stores, even family were all swept away, that would be their whole world and emotionally feel like a global event. Flash floods also effect deserts! Flooding was definitely one of the big worries of the ancient ancestors, whether by an ocean tsunami or a rapidly rising creek.

[@quantumleap9175]

But when others from surrounding local areas not affected by the flooding show up and relate to these flood survivors that no flooding occurred where they are from, a global event theory would be immediately squashed.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

I live between a river and a canal, I was flooded in 2012 and 2015. It looks "global" when it hits you and it's all you see, and you can't get out. Moreover, we had no electrics, phone, internet and in the past, it might have meant being cut off from everybody, but it was in fact quite limited.

[@LesterBrunt]

Yeah exactly. Here in the Netherlands we build some of the biggest dams and dikes in the history of the world because guess what, living close to the sea and on low land means from time to time a bad storm with flood giant portions of the land. The last time was in 1953, the sea rose as high as 4 meters in the period of a single night. And think about how destructive that must have been for primitive societies without a global infrastructure. A flood destroys everything, all living spaces, all livestock, all farmlands, it is the end of everything if there is no backup. Why oh why would people throughout history find such events particularly meaningful? The only reason must be because of a prehistoric civilization that was wiped out, there is simply no other option.

[@OdinsChosen208]

we are talking about floods that are hundreds of meters in height in some cases, the power of these are hard to grasp like 300,000,000 cfs in places right up against the ice sheet

[@RawrGhosty]

there's a difference between floods caused by a little river and floods caused by hundreds of thousands of tons of ice melting

[@JJ-tv5pc]

comparing a river and a canal to massive tidal wave floods from the oceans...no.

[@joweydelanota7421]

I'm sure even a limited person like you can tell the difference between 5 meter of flooding and hundred meters of flooding.

[@helenamcginty4920]

I heard an African storyteller on the radio quite recently. He re told ancient stories. He commented that he added and changed bits as his father and grandfather had before him. He was amused at the idea that ancient stories are unchanged in the telling. Yet I have heard and read people who believe that oral traditions are accurate retellings of ancient stories. I know in my family alone each of us children have slightly different memories of the same occurrence.

[@090giver090]

Hell, even the same person tells same story a bit different over time. So idea that story goes though *millennia* of oral traditions is ludicrous.

[@bizarro20daves]

Indigenous Australians have mechanisms with multiple people to preserve accuracy. Look up the stories about islands by the tiwi people. They preserve pre iceage geography

[@sunnyshine762]

Your assumption is that all ancient people took oral traditions as casual storytelling. Actually we have cultures which prized memorizing oral poems as exactly as possible and continued to pass down these poems orally even to the point where the language had changed so much that the people memorizing them no longer fully understood the words they were saying. Look up how the Vedas had been passed down as an example.

[@helenamcginty4920]

@discipleofkrolm yup. I watched quite a few. They are very interesting. He has a good presentation manner as well. No sneering for one thing. (I even looked up the name ).

[@Tara-Maya]

Did he add a cataclysmic flood into the narrative?

[@Matlacha_Painter]

The Great Flood occurred in my basement when I was a child when the washing machine drain hose clogged up from textile lint and water spilled on to the floor. It was extremely frightening and I have never forgotten it. So, I have a special appreciation for Mr. Hancock’s research.

[@michaelhart420]

The Great Flood actually occurred at the restaurant I work at when I drained the sink too quick overwhelming the grease trap

[@letsallgetalong5499]

😆 nice 1, so do I, regarding Graham

[@Oldwhiteguy]

Whaaaaat!!!??? The same thing happened to me!!!

[@dougbelford4565]

This is hysterical. I was just thinking this morning that growing up in Northern Virginia in the 70’s, my parents constantly referred back to hurricane Agnes and the accompanying flood waters. To an ancient historian this might’ve sounded like a global flood (my parents were a bit dramatic)

[@vinesh3643]

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[@patrickmontie9583]

His logic is that the greatest civilization in the world was flooded out by suprise. These people had world maps, ocean going vessels, and scientific knowledge nobody else had. So when the sea levels started to rise they just stayed and died. 😂😂😂

[@wizzelhoart]

if Joe Rogan has invited you on his Podcast, you've likely done something wrong

[@maugustyniak]

Joe Rogan is the quintessential pothead bro.

[@newman653]

They start with a preconceived notion which doesn't allow them to interpret all the evidence objectively.

[@MyMy-tv7fd]

the strangest thing about 'flood myths' to me was that ancient Egypt did not have one. But then I looked at it from their point of view - they had a flood every year, they completely relied upon the annual Nile flood for agriculture and life itself, so no need for a myth at all.

[@LukeChaos]

Yes, floods were a good thing in Kemet! Some pseudohistorians try to link flood myths to the story of the Eye of Ra, except in that story the "flood" SAVES the humans, is not really a flood, and is not water, but beer!

[@sfjarhead4062]

One person's flood, is another person's irrigation.

[@rockysexton8720]

What sometimes gets forgotten is that while many societies have flood myths others are the opposite. Their catastrophic story is based on drought.

[@jimhamman2335]

You are completely mistaken in your claim that the ancient Egyptians had no flood myth. The source of the story of Atlantis was the Egyptian priests at the Temple of Sais, who communicated the story to Solon, a Greek scholar and statesman.

[@tjornatjorna7739]

@@jimhamman2335 That doesn't mean Egypt had a flood myth, all that means is that Plato claimed it came from Egypt.

[@PanglossDr]

28:30 "I am not surprised that we have these myths. I do believe we are a species with amnesia and the myths are part of our memory" Hancock is extremely selective in his choice of which pieces of the various myths to stitch together to create his own Flood Myth.

[@TheWannabeexpert]

Correct. I thought i was going crazy reading some of his claims cause it did not ad up with my memory.

[@cattymajiv]

He's a blithering idiot whose garbage I would never bother to read. His very existence bothers me, and I would prefer never to see or hear his name again.

[@FrancisBurns]

Yeah he needs to sell some books!!!

[@M1ggins]

@@FrancisBurns books, shmooks, he's making movies for netflix now, that's where the bigger money is.

[@oriocoookie]

not really ... the "average rise" does not necessarily mean equal rise in water levels at a LOCAL level ....

[@Arthur-Silva]

You made a crucial mistake. You didn’t take mushrooms and/or Ayahuasca before writing this episode. That’s why you can’t see what Mr. Hancock sees. 🍄

[@josephl9931]

Wow you are so funny! Laughing about medicines that have been used for tens of thousands of years if not more by humans! I get that you never tried it right, because the government told you it was bad for you? You are brainwashed just like anybody else.

[@underdarkness7692]

Asserting there was a single big worldwide flood every culture has in its memory feels like someone from 14,000CE reading a story about the Great Fire of Rome, the Chicago Fire, (one of) the Fire(s) of London, and the line "my world's on fire, how 'bout yours" from Smash Mouth's All Star, and extrapolating this to mean there was a point the entire world burst into flames.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Yep, pretty much right on the nose!

[@StefanMilo]

That’s actually a great analogy

[@dariuscoleman581]

This is hilarious, its insane how much sense this makes.

[@quinn3334]

this is such a good way to put it thank you

[@fighterck6241]

🤣🤣🤣

[@christophercripps7639]

One other thoughts: 40 mm (1.5") rise per year would be 2.5 feet (>630 mm) in a 20 year period. Thus in a person's lifetime they would remember the sandbars, causeways & swamps or drowned forests no longer extent since their youth. A parent passing on tales heard from a grandparent of what's no longer there could be speaking of land submerged by 7+ feet over a mere 60 years - "living memory." After a few more generations of the story who knows what details get lost & which embellished.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

But in such circumstances, civilization wouldn't be lost.

[@greasher926]

@@WorldofAntiquity assuming there even was a costal civilisation at the time, it would be extremely disruptive and they would constantly have to move more inland, which would be very expensive and impractical, and thus would probably move far away up river to not have to deal with the changing coast line.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

@@greasher926 And consider that the YD flood was synchronous with a meteor impact that left signs around the world. Was a 'nuclear winter' scenario followed by a lot of rain, and then sea level rise? Smush them all together and maybe that's the origin of the myths...

[@dgray3771]

@@WorldofAntiquity You assume too much as does he. What you fail to understand is the mechanics of civilization. The size of said civilization and the impact of glabal changes. Today we are panicking about a 1.5 degrees increase in temperature. With modern tech. I wonder if you ever studied the Bronze Age collapse. How a few events lead to wide spread famine and depopulation. You wouldn't call that a "non issue" I presume? If your civilization is too depending on a certain source of income/food and suddenly it isn't there anymore. You either adapt or die. And people forget how much we are accustomed to our lives as they are.

[@jaybe2908]

It's the whole "advanced" civilisation that Hancock promotes though. If it spread around the World constructing monuments and it's ways, it shouldn't matter if the founder city "Atlantis" was destroyed in a day because there should still be knowledge to carry on the civilisation in those other places. Even if those other places lost their civilisation because of the trade links were broken, then there should still be evidence of the advanced tools/machines, but we have none!

[@baltasarjimenez2091]

The Atlantis story wasn't even taken to be historical by Plato's contemporaries, it's wild that we do now.

[@varyolla435]

They lacked = Hollywood......... Consider how many movies and television programs alone have referenced "Atlantis" or been based upon that tale since the 1950's. LAHT is at its' core a reaction to our entertainment genre as many of their narratives have been ripped straight out of science fiction. For some if they watch enough of that trash their imaginations get the better of them and they come to believe it as real. 🤷

[@davidsmith5904]

I liked it because it was facts and not conjecture or hyperbole. Thank you for being sincere and not sarcastic.

[@GwapitoChannel]

I sensed fear or insecurity by this channel's narrator. The institutional knowledge that he got from the mainstream science seems to be challenged by Hancock's theories. He fear being corrected, he doesn't want the knowledge that he built up for many years to be challenged by a minority such as Hancock.

[@asuka4ever1979]

Early inhabitants lived near rivers (Nile, Indus, Amazon, Yangzi, etc.) and flooding was usual. Since their scope of the world" was within their village/town, their being destroyed by the river flooding as catastrophic. It is like a kid having his/her apple stolen. It is life-threatening event to the kid.

[@Vretens]

A lot of people would consider it a life-threatening event if their Apple iPhone was stolen. 😁

[@TheFeralFerret]

Great video. I admire your seemingly infinite patience with these theories and with their proponents who seem to swarm the comments.

[@LoudWaffle]

Ho there! Excellent profile picture! Coming or going?

[@margaretwebster2516]

He's getting away with this because most people don't have enough knowledge about the date,time and events he's speaking off whilst sat listening to him. Even been familiar with Greek mythology,flood myths, archaeology etc I'd have to spend a week cross referencing every thing he says. I can't see most viewers doing that.

[@latetotheparty4785]

I have an alternate history promoter in my family. He’s published(not peer reviewed), was frequently interviewed on the radio(he’s in his late nineties now, he’s cooled his interviewing jets), and my cousins and I have come to the realization: he will be the great one in the family, while us normies will soon be forgotten. The myth of Atlantis is not a myth. It’s the story told by one individual. I ask those who follow Hancock, name one thing he has promoted that has forwarded science or academia. Just one. I used to be a fan until I discovered archaeology is more fascinating than he suggests. Since I first read Hancock, tens of thousands of papers have been published in archaeological journals, and he never says, just last week I was reading a research paper that says…. I don’t think he’s keeping up with any research except that which corroborate his premises. Academic research is not easy, and can be expensive. Access to research means you have to pay exorbitant subscriptions to online journals to access abstracts. You could also go to a university and access the abstracts, it takes time, parking is expensive. I go to my alma matter to research these journals. Then, these papers are not dumbed down for those who haven’t been schooled in nomenclature and standards of practice. It’s easier to research using Google-you’ll get Hancock and his ilk. It takes 20 minutes to grasp what Hancock purports, but years to obtain a scholarly degree. It’s not done in 20 minutes. What still amazes me is how much Hancock gets wrong. I think much of the popularity of “alternativism” is due to so many journalists misunderstanding science. Hancock was a journalist, here he is misunderstanding. Journalists report over and over that scientists debate humanity’s part in climate change, for instance.

[@jamesfetherston1190]

And reality in general is far more fascinating than pseudoscience - and while I find mythology fascinating, it is less so than what scientific discovery reveals.

[@harrywalker968]

heres the jist of it.. scientists, archeologists, agree with each other so they get paid.. there was one guy did a study on ants,,for 20 yrs.. its a bs job..they dont know sht.. the big bang never happened,, we are a young planet.. if your a grain of sand on a hundred mile beach,,how do you know, where the sand came from,,you dont.. this is why scientists that dont agree with mainstream have to do there own thing, write books, seminars, cos they dont get the bs grant..niel de grasse tyson,,does not believe in ufo,s. or he,d lose his job.. in sumerian history, it says, enlil, was told to destroy man, with a flood, 13k ago, his brother, enki, stayed on earth to save man,,not noah,,. enki,& others helped man world wide re build.. but not to the grandure of the past as they had no tools..lots of buildings are unfinished, id say they left in a hurry, or the ''box'', in the serapean, would be in its place, not sitting in a corridore..& the obolisks at balbek would be erected, & the one thats unfinished, 1,200 ton, still in its hole, would be standing. they didnt abandon it because it cracked, that happened later. there not that stupid,,as we are..adam, is humanity, not 1 man,, eve is woman, not 1 woman,,woman was made so we could breed, as we were cloned, too many died mining..sodom & gomorrah, gohengi daro,?,, were nuked,,by enki.. religion & history are bs.. control.. if,,the truth was known,,religion, & gov,s would not exist..

[@dwightk.schrute8696]

The problem is that when you study the history of actual scientific discoveries more often than not it's one stubborn and unreasonable man going against pretty much everyone. Joseph Lister was ridiculed and shot down before the world understood that germs/bacteria/viruses are real. Einstein's theories were considered crazy by his contemporaries, and Einstein himself made fun of Oppenheimer for thinking that the A-bomb can be built. All I'm trying to say, make sure that in your critique you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

[@mowgli8945]

The problem with Hancock is, if you look at him closely and what he does and says, he's actually pretty evil. He's constantly trying to undermine the academic fields and the researchers behind it, by saying they leave out important facts (which is ironically EXACTLY what he and his people do) and saying they don't allow him access to some archeological sites, cause they don't want him to find out the truth they're trying to hide... it's insane, and as you said all these gullible, uneducated yet innocent people believe him, cause it sounds interesting and they believe his lies. In conclusion: Hancock is a fraudster and liar, only in for the money, trying to sell as many books as possible and getting acknowledged by the public.

[@georgemattingly1621]

My major was philosophy. You obviously have never read Plato

[@evanstegenga8255]

just out of curiosity, were these clips and ideas from Hancock taken when he wrote fingerprints of the gods? or was it after he wrote magicians of the gods. I've read both and I find his arguments in Magicians to be much more compelling then his first work on the subject. I also would like to add that though he is seen as a psuedo-archeologist, everything that he quotes and states in his book is cited from one scientific research paper or another. He isn't just pulling stuff out of his rump (at least not in Magicians, possibly in fingerprints), he is citing real scientific work done by scholars. In Magicians, he cites the Comet Research Group sometimes and they are the largest group of scientists collecting and compounding evidence for the asteroid impact at 12,800. Fifty some researchers from some of the most prestigious (as well as some lesser known) institution around the globe. To say that all his ideas are malarky I find quite arrogant. Example: In Fingerprints (1995) he argued that people were able to build monolithic structures much earlier then previously thought. He faced heavy criticism for this, but what do you know, Gobekli Tepe was discovered recently after and proved him correct. Im not saying everything he says is write, but there definitely is some truth to work he is composing.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

The comet impact is said to have occurred at the beginning of the Younger Dryas period, but the sea level rise is said to have occurred at the end of the Younger Dryas period. So how does he rectify that problem?

[@evanstegenga8255]

@@WorldofAntiquity Im no scientist, but I’m open to new ideas. The current paradigm about the Missoula lake and it’s ice dam rupturing 80 or so times seems fantastical to me. There were two large glacial outbursts during the younger dryas, one at the beginning and one at the end. The comet research group proposed that the glacial outburst at the beginning was due to the comet impact. As you would know, some asteroids and comets explode over the earth (ex. Tunguska). The lack of a crater isn’t enough to say there was never a comet. There are many “fingerprints” as Hancock would say that lead scientists to this conclusion. How come none of these fingerprints of the impacts were talked about in this? what about the black mat layer (dated to younger dryas)? What about all of the nanomicrospherals (impact indicators) strewn over 4 continents dating back to the younger dryas? I don’t think everything that Hancock says is truth to the T, but I think their are things to take away from his work. Maybe, there wasn’t a huge civilization prior then we know of now, but there is a whole lot of evidence compiling from around the globe supporting the comet impact theory. Nice vid btw.

[@evanstegenga8255]

@@WorldofAntiquity and the comet would have either struck the glacier/blew up, and that would have created an extreme amount of heat. This would have created the first glacial melt. Then all the debris and particles would bet thrown into the atmosphere circulating around the globe leading to a type of nuclear winter. This would have caused a period of cooling where the glaciers began to reform. Then when the cloud in the atmosphere dissipated, the second glacial outburst would happen due to the warming temperatures causing a rise in sea level. that, i believe, is the most compelling argument for the comet impact theory and the glacial outbursts.

[@williamboucher6719]

Actually the sea level rise was in Two pulses, pulse 1A and pulse 1B one at the beginning of the younger dryas ans one at the end of it.

[@josephl9931]

@@williamboucher6719 How can you know for sure, were you there on the fields during those research? How can you know that this is the absolute truth? Science is changing on a daily basis.

[@xAffinityy]

would love to see an updated video on this after his netflix series came out, as he answers a lot of the things you're questioning. Your focus was on floods and atlantis, but you didn't mention the rest of the context behind his theories. Great video though, glad I found the channel!

[@Sampsonoff]

Can you briefly explain the context behind his theories? I don’t have Netflix

[@xAffinityy]

@@Sampsonoff its a little complicated to explain everything, but he basically thinks the younger dryas impact hypothesis (possibly pieces of comet from the torrid meteor stream) caused flooding due to impacting ice caps/sheets. The pieces of comet also air burst, basically annihilating anything in the nearby areas. All of this fits his timeline of about 12,000 years ago, which also conveniently lines up with Plato’s account of the destruction of Atlantis. After the younger dryas impact he believes an advanced civilization (possibly Atlantis), that was decimated from the impacts, had survivors; whom took refuge with hunter gatherers, and taught them things such as agriculture and building. This is because sites like gobekli tepe (which is a mystery in itself) were created around this same time, seemingly out of nowhere (since hunter gatherers never created megalithic structures before this). A lot of these structures also conveniently line up with a bunch of astronomical points in space. There’s a lot more behind it, so you should look into it more if you’re interested. Not sure if any of it will turn out to be true, but it’s definitely interesting to say the least

[@jacob5395]

​@@xAffinityy It lining up with Plato's account seems awfully convenient, the fact that the Greeks couldn’t even deduce the actual age of the Pyramids raises red flags for me. I do however wish to see more of this impact theory as finding hidden impact sites is always interesting. (I meant the Greeks couldn't accurately deduce its age, wasn't clear in my comment.)

[@GothPaoki]

The part about these structures lining up with astronomical points is a complete fabrication. Sites like gobleki tepe have been tested and have in fact been found that they couldn't possibly at the time be used like that.

[@johanstjern4118]

I saw the netflix docu and would also love to see a video on mew points brought up. On a note tho one has to remember that civilization has collapsed several times in the past like in the late bronze-age and the fall of Roman empire. That the civilization who built gobekli-tepi collapsed doesnt have to be because of ice melting and these timespans talked about are very long 500-1000 years so that a collapse happened in that time-span is not improbable at all. When the ice melted there could have been local change in climate that was a catalyst for a collapse but its not at all possible that the 40 mm per century rise in sea levels could be the direct cause. Its all just speculation. The real reason for the collapse of civilization was probably as always assymetric attacks from warrior peoples.

[@EdrickBluebeard]

I thought it was pretty silly to believe that an advanced civilization would just... let itself get wiped out by rising sea levels over 500 years, but then I recalled that this is the hottest year on record for the 10th consecutive years in a row and half the population believes that it is fake.

[@varyolla435]

Yes. Given the time frame involved in sea level rise then any coastal civilization would have had ample time to simply = relocate inland. For this nonsense to work said culture must be inundated by flood waters on a biblical level such that no one had time to react and everything they represented was "magically" erased. 🤦

[@billdavis3183]

The funniest thing about the Atlantis Myth is that there is every reason to think it was being presented as an allegory rather an actual historical event, given the context in which Plato was writing. There is zero evidence of Atlantis outside of Plato.

[@kbkilla360]

I am always annoyed with their insistance on bringing up Plato. I was not aware Plato was a 100% trustworthy source for history dating back thousands of years...

[@tohaason]

@@kbkilla360 As Plato never wrote about history in his general writing I think most people can agree with you on that.

[@fchampd4512]

plato is not evidence. so there is ZERO evidence. ZERO

[@luborpetrik4402]

It would be absolutely amazing having Mr. Miano debating Mr. Hancock and Mr. Carlson on Joe Rogan :) Epic podcast to die for

[@aquafishsoup]

He’s not at their level yet, still got a few more years to get there.

[@gxlorp]

@@aquafishsoup welp. Both Joe, Randal Carlson and Graham all have more views than Mr. Miagi, so from my perspective, it is _he_ who has the catching up to do. God bless

[@markimusmaximus7870]

@@gxlorp Rogans a nodding dog. The rest are bullshit artist's. Osiris bless

[@OneDayIMay91Bil]

@@gxlorp your statement is what is wrong with the world , the fact that you attribute "views " to a meritocratic stance is absurd and ridiculous and quite frankly reflective of a low IQ simpleton.

[@lococomrade3488]

@@gxlorp Your perspective is built on ignorance. This man has actually degrees. All of those other guys just leak pseudoscience and nonsense.

[@sfjarhead4062]

When going after the Big Daddy of alt history, you'll need many more specific citations than he himself uses. Well stated, and well done.

[@MrJonsonville5]

The burden of proof is on the person making the incredible claims. Extraordinary claims require extaordinary evidence. When that person doesn't bring any actual evidence, those claims can be dismissed without evidence.

[@xp8969]

@@MrJonsonville5 that only works when you're dealing with sane rational people, if you want to convince the sheep who fall for Hancock's nonsense you need to over do it to wake 'em up

[@danielpaulson8838]

@@MrJonsonville5 Quoting Hich?

[@sfjarhead4062]

@@MrJonsonville5 define "extraordinary"? All theories require proof, I'm referring more to the social mindset of established public thought, whether "correct" or not.

[@MrJonsonville5]

@@sfjarhead4062 there are many online dictionaries available to you, you don't need me to define words for you. I'm sure you are perfectly capable of finding out the definition on your own. I believe in you!

[@duke_hugo]

I love a sunburnt country, a land of sweeping plains, of rugged mountain ranges, of droughts and flooding rains. Even in modern Australia we have poems about floods. My conclusion. Noah was a 19th century Australian.

[@Oddball5.0]

And he celebrated by getting drunk, so that fits too.

[@ragnarosthefirelord8662]

The end of the video where Hancock's presented arguments appeared to be entirely premised on before/after photos where all the changes between the two images are assumed to have happened overnight rather than over hundreds or thousands of years was almost painful to watch. Thanks for bringing actual data and research to bear against these wild unsupported claims!

[@brianmiller5444]

Yes. This was a fascinating takedown. But he didn’t even need to do it. The reality that there was no overnight glacial meltdown apocalypse by itself eviscerates this fraud Hancock’s entire premise!

[@LVSJT]

He does so many slight-of-hand tricks like that in his presentations, that ad hominem becomes appropriate. He is a huckster and knows it He's a pothead, living the pothead dream..... "Hey dude, I've been getting into alternative history theories. Think I'm going to write about that" And _voila_ , Fingerprints Of The Gods (a clever title) sells 5 million copies, so now he's stuck with it and that audience. He can't very well admit he's wrong now, so it's just more and more nonsense atop the previous nonsense

[@theonlylolking]

Imagine thinking everything must take thousands upon thousands of years.

[@leafybotanist8985]

It's funny how Hancock and others seem to ignore the part of Plato that clearly says Athens exited at the same time. They also ignore the critical bit about earthquakes and volcanoes that we would likely have geological evidence for happening at that time, which is also lacking.

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

Everyone also seems to ignore the bit where Plato says exactly where Atlantis "was": just past the Pillars of Hercules (as in, in the Atlantic side of the strait of Gibraltar). And then claims no one could sail through the strait because of Atlantis' destruction, which is like, a lie

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

@@ILikedGooglePlus Oh that's just because that's what real scientists would refer to as "COUNTER EVIDENCE" but its actually not a component of the Hancockian pseudoscientific method which was famously developed as a budget bin scientific method that trims down the fat of all those unnecessary bells and whistles like counter-evidence, peer-review, or fact-checking of any kind. in fact, the pseudoscientific method only use the very last step of the traditional scientific method which is where you form a conclusion, but the alternative tourist youtubers find it easier to just start with the conclusion first instead of all that time consuming fact-checking and boring evidence that doesn't even bother to invoke a cataclysm which is often considered to be an unofficial 2nd step to their researcg method because it can literally be used to explain any conclusion that can possibly be asserted during their opening conclusion before they start working backwards to begin invoking a series of one-size-fits-alternative research cataclysms, a la cart, which they then fasten to each unfalsifiable premise as a built-in explanation in the unlikely event that anyone in that community would actually bother fact-checking to begin with, but these cataclysms function as the life's blood of the pseudohistorical tourist community who are known to use every part of the cataclysm instead of wasting perfectly good cataclysms that could always be sent to the help the neediest people who rely on these cataclysms on a day to day basis such as many peoplke in the field of amateur tour guideology. For instance, Brien Forrester traffics in more theoretical cataclysms than any other person who has ever lived. That'

[@kp-legacy-5477]

@@ILikedGooglePlus the sunken asource island actually would have fit this description if Platos dates are to be believed

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

@@kp-legacy-5477 Except for the fact that it's supposed to be the size of a continent, bigger than Libya (/Africa) and Asia combined, and it's sinking formed a mudshoal that makes the strait of Gibraltar impassable. Not to suggest that you don't know, but I'm just so tired of Atlantis. But yeah, Have you heard his explanation for why gay people exist? From his Symposium. Its because people used to be round and have two heads, eight limbs and two genitals. Gay people had double penises/vaginas, straights had one of each. Then Zeus sliced us all in half because of a rebellion against the gods. And so we're all attracted to whatever our opposite half is required to make us whole. And gay men are actually brave, manly, and virile, not evil or shameless. Why can't more people be convinced that /that/ is true??? It's such an incredible story! And it's not like Plato would /ever/ make something up just to make a point

[@kp-legacy-5477]

@@ILikedGooglePlus so cause he believed in the gods of the time all his other work is not credible? That would make most greek philosophers and historians uncredible. Which means we would need to heavily reconsider our historical texts and story anyway . You helped my point and just argued against the mainstream without realising it

[@granthill1760]

This was great. You covered a lot of information that I was unaware of. I've learned to hear what people on both sides of any disagreement have to day before jumping to conclusions.

[@goranstojanov1160]

Well the video creator ASLO jumps to conclusions,HIS OWN BIASES adn his own debunekr wannabe thunderfoot style where wants to be conrtarian for the sake of being one while EXCLUDING,not diving into stuff that debunks his own takes wich someoen like thunderfoot does all the time.

[@granthill1760]

@@goranstojanov1160 Lots of words, and not a single example. I suspect your critical thinking skills could be improved, but I'd be happy if you can prove me wrong.

[@lococomrade3488]

@@granthill1760 That is the crowd of Graham Hancock. They're delusional nutjobs. This isn't "both sides of a disagreement." Hancock spreads misinformation and pseudoscience. This is Fact-Checking. This isn't opinions like "Which Star Wars is best?" It's historical data. Graham Hancock is spreading lies.

[@granthill1760]

@@lococomrade3488 Yeah, but the wording that you use is far too judgemental, and will not persuade anyone who likes Hancock that they should change their minds. Withholding judgment of those who have been fooled, and providing examples of how they have been lied to will bring a few people to your side. Shaming people might make you feel good, but it causes a strong emotional response and drives people away.

[@mvc4121]

You’re depictions and deciphering of theses storylines of myths that are flood related are not disputed by Hancock I just would say you’re missing something he is suggesting a pre-historic flood that a lot of these civilizations would have risen from the ashes of try taking more big picture example if something was to happen to our current pinnacle civilizations who would be left A few elites could have had bunkers and tribal People’s of isolated cultures off of the land ? what would develop from that from thousands of years and hundreds of generations I think something similar to what you just laid out just like Hancock remnants of historical fact interwoven with speculation

[@mstepuch]

I was greatly inspired by Hancock since reading Fingerprints of the Gods, and I didn’t believe the 'close-minded' scholars. But then I started reading history books, watching scientific videos, and connecting the facts... And you know what? When it comes to Hancock, the emperor has no clothes. Sad but true. Here is the chronological order of flood myths from various cultures based on the dating of the earliest known documents: 1. The Epic of Ziusudra (Sumer, ca. 2100-2000 BCE) This is the oldest known flood myth. The epic tells the story of Ziusudra, a Sumerian king who was warned by the god Enki about a coming flood. Ziusudra built an ark and survived the flood, after which he was granted immortality by the gods. 2. The Epic of Atrahasis (Akkad, ca. 1700 BCE) The Akkadian version of the flood myth, where Atrahasis (also known as Utnapishtim in later versions) was warned by the god Enki about an impending flood and built an ark to save himself and some creatures. This epic shares many elements with the later "Epic of Gilgamesh." 3. The Epic of Gilgamesh (Babylonia, ca. 1300-1000 BCE) In "The Epic of Gilgamesh," one of the world's oldest literary works, Gilgamesh meets Utnapishtim, who tells him about the flood. This version of the myth is closely related to the Akkadian "Epic of Atrahasis," with Utnapishtim as the main character who survives the flood with the help of the god Ea (Enki). 4. The Myth of Deucalion and Pyrrha (Greece, ca. 8th century BCE) The Greek flood myth describes how Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha survived a flood sent by Zeus by building a chest (ark). After the waters receded, they were the only survivors and were chosen by the gods to repopulate humanity by throwing stones behind them, which turned into new people. 5. The Story of Noah (Old Testament, ca. 5th century BCE) The biblical story of Noah, found in the Book of Genesis (chapters 6-9), describes how God decided to send a flood to destroy corrupt humanity. Noah, who was righteous, was warned and built an ark to save his family and pairs of all animals. This version of the myth is often compared to earlier Mesopotamian versions. 6. The Myth of Manu (India, ca. 300-500 BCE) In the Hindu myth of Manu, described in texts such as the Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa, the god Vishnu takes the form of a fish and warns Manu of an impending flood. Manu builds a boat, which he ties to the fish's horn, and thus survives the deluge, preserving seeds of all plants and the beginning of humanity. 7. The Myth of Gun-Yu (China, ca. 3rd century BCE) The Chinese flood myth centers on the figures of Gun and his son Yu. Gun tried to control the great flood with magical earth, but his efforts failed. His son, Yu, was chosen to continue his father’s work and successfully regulated the waters, leading to the establishment of Chinese civilization. This myth is more about water management than a global flood but still forms part of the mythological narrative of a great flood. The chronology of these myths shows how the theme of a flood was present in various cultures and civilizations over millennia, often adapted to local beliefs and cultural contexts. Many of these stories share common elements, such as a divine warning, the construction of an ark or boat, and the salvation of chosen people and animals.

[@cautionroguerobots]

It’s also comical to think that a recently obliterated seafaring civilization with astronomical knowledge would travel from land to land and spend their time teaching local hunter-gatherers how to carve snakes into stones instead of-oh, i dunno-how to build ships and navigate the globe.

[@maspesasmasperras5554]

Bruh snake carving is the first step. Have you watched karate kid? Same concept. You learn without noticing it

[@OkabexKurisu]

Maybe because survival was getting first?

[@jannetteberends8730]

I read a book about a baby and a cat surviving a flood in the drawer of a cabinet. The book was actually about the cabinet. The baby and cat were the last part. The flood was a real one, 1953, Zeeland in The Netherlands. The book is an example how a flood can generate stories.

[@hanxor]

I was born in Vietnam and we have epic floods. There's something called the 100 year flood that even the government preps for. My family's lost river front land for centuries due to the delta widening. I hold to the overall theory that meteors were the cause the the sudden transformation of ice to liquid. The amount of meteor "close calls" we have daily is terrifying to do the math. I can't imagine, within the last 25,000 years, a mateor or two hasn't struck parts of the globe. I truly hope field technology gets better so we can explore our oceans more!

[@HardHardMaster]

And find some defence option against meteor strikes instead of constantly making war on other countries.

[@johnharley7290]

That went from space to the ocean real fast.

[@hanxor]

@@johnharley7290 Yeah cuz no way the MOON controls our oceans - that's witchcraft talk!

[@jotcw81]

@@johnharley7290 The Dinosaurs all died because they weren’t prepared for the meteor!

[@mazermajestic]

Aren't you listening find some evidence

[@JonnoPlays]

Flood stories are extremely rare in Africa because the flood myth is invented after humans left Africa, thus the flood myth backtracked back into Africa later. The channel Crecganford has a very long video about the oldest myths and which ones are the very oldest and the chronology of myths. The most ancient myth is that of the Earth Diver who dives to the bottom of an endless ocean to bring up a little dirt from the bottom to create an island. There's many variations of this myth and it's the oldest myth we know of. The process of how we know that is fascinating and is also covered on his channel. I learned a lot from this video, and I understood a lot more because I watched the videos about the early myths too.

[@Kivas_Fajo]

My go-to debunking of Hancock's "global" flood myths is the simple fact that the ancient "World" consisted basically of the lands around the Mediterrenean Sea and Asia Minor. They haven't had a clue about the Americas or the far far East, Australia and the Pacific Ocean. So, that's that.

[@TomZidel]

You know, as someone who agrees with some of graham's takes, it's really the geological evidence presented by Randal that sells the notion of lost civs due to cataclysm. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent (25a) which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.

[@redactedandredactedaccesor7290]

@@TomZidel I have been saying it for years and it has come to pass...people like Graham are killing any chance of people like Randal ever proving anything in their lifetime.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

"How could every single culture on Earth have possibly all had myths about the sun and moon? Obviously this proves that ancient aliens created them!"

[@j.christie2594]

Flappy Winged angel's of Sodomy are Global? Your point is??

[@memorydrain7806]

Some people just love storytelling packaged with a british accent. The problem with Hancock is that he constantly poisons the well (fallacy), and then gets miffed and plays the victim when criticized and/or corrected. He's a snake.

[@FRADAVE02]

One almost gets the feeling that Hankook is speaking in a wholly Euro-centric way! Fascinating!

[@carriekelly4186]

Thank you once again for sharing WOA/Dr.Miano. Nice work as always. Never enough space or time for all the nice things i have to say for your excellent efforts😊

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks, Carrie!

[@carriekelly4186]

😊thank you! I just,I'm still trying to figure out who this "Big Archaeology" is that the theorists keep complaining about? I thought digs,studies,research etc were done by individuals or small teams working sometimes together from different programs at different schools,with different types and levels of funding? They're making it sound like it's a big major corp.,working altogether in one big corporate effort.🙄🤣 You have much more patience than I. Hands down.😊endless Kudos to you,honestly.

[@andrewphillips1026]

Please keep posting videos like this. There is a lot of misinformation out there that tells stories that are very appealing to human’s curiosity. The information you are providing in your videos help people question that misinformation. Thank you for your content.

[@LuqmanHM]

I still believe that Hancock words have truths behind them and not conviced otherwise

[@Caldwing]

Your patience and politeness in debunking this utter crank are super-human.

[@M1ster.Fr3sh]

He talks with a snarky tone and acts high immature and condescending towards Graham...... you call that "having patience and politeness"? Just shows why there's such a growing disparity between old, mainstream views and new, non-mainstream views. The ones desperately clinging to their old views always have a pretentious, arrogant view of themselves.

[@L.Pondera]

​@@M1ster.Fr3sh sounds like a you problem cupcake

[@PareliusC]

I live in Maine and the Sandy River frequently causes flooding in Farmington and nearby communities. Here in Portland the Old Port and Bayside(built on a mudflat) often flood during very strong high tides. The idea that flood myths are a memory of events like this honestly makes the most sense. I don't understand why people are often unwilling to accept that myths or legends could be borrowed from other cultures and that they MUST be native. Especially with the Greeks who loved to infuse their traditions with those of others.

[@GizzyDillespee]

No, these stories (such as Noah's ark) aren't remembering seasonal river floods, or an unusually high tide. These are remembering what people call "1000 year floods", IOW the type of flood that you'd only get, in each flood prone location, once every 1000 years (or so... that's not a literal metric). Obviously, that's much different from a global and permanent deluge.

[@Vodgepie1]

“I checked his assertions to see if they were based on fact, and what I found my surprise you” - You know, the one thing about this video that I don’t suspect will surprise me, is lack of facts backing up his claims.

[@papasitoman]

Hancock seems genuinely interested in ancient cultures, monuments, technology, etc BUT does little to no actual research or reading into what is ALREADY known about them. He then seems to make up his own conclusions based on...what? His own lack of actual research? It's frustrating because he's not a dumb man.

[@AloisWeimar]

almost like a grift

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

He drank the shaman's brew that has to be equal to at least a Masters degree no?

[@valmarsiglia]

Self-delusion will always trump intelligence and education.

[@olorin4317]

It's almost as if he's clever like a fox who's found a bunch of gullible hens with wallets.

[@rockysexton8720]

He is a shyster who is just smart and polished enough to fool those are aren't very bright or informed. On the other hand if he is honestly outraged and can't understand why real scholars think he is a joke then he really is one dumb SOB and/or he has smoked way too much designer weed.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

You should make another video titled "What Graham Hancock Gets RIGHT about Flood Myths and it should just be 10 minutes of black screen.

[@joshuadk13]

If I took a drink every time one of these crackpots mentions Atlantis, my liver would fail within the hour

[@SeanHillaby]

How nice. Honest, charitable critique.

[@CChissel]

It’s crazy how rich and “respected” Hancock has become from this. He’s so wrong and easily debunked but still people fall for it. We all want to believe the exciting things about the ancients, but what we know and are currently discovering is already exciting. No need to spice it up. Really thankful for channels such as this one, that seek to remedy all the misinformation by enthusiasts of alternative history.

[@stehfreejesseah7893]

That is kinda the whole point, he wants to make money more then he cares about facts. He would probably write a fiction novel if he could.

[@merrickforrester5238]

@@stehfreejesseah7893 Hehas written several novels, they are shit too.

[@stehfreejesseah7893]

@@merrickforrester5238 I did not know that but I am not surprised lol

[@karlmuller3366]

In most of the 1500 negative comments about With Hankock I see one thing above all: envy

[@CChissel]

@@karlmuller3366 That’s just what you *think* you see. It’s more that he is misinforming the public and is doing a disservice to anthropology and archaeology. I don’t like things that give people the wrong impression of history, just like that show Ancient Aliens, it’s classified as entertainment because it’s not true, yet that doesn’t stop people from believing that conspiracy theory. I just don’t like misinformation in general, especially those who profit from it.

[@theConservationist]

What's better than a new half hour World of Antiquity video on a Sunday morning?

[@OdysseyofEmpires]

this guys is awesome

[@Emil-Antonowsky]

A new 2 and a half hour World of Antiquity video on a sunday morning! 😃 On the same topic again too.

[@bennichols1113]

watching it after coitus

[@Great_Olaf5]

Finally sitting down to watch it, obviously.

[@paulschlachter4313]

@@bennichols1113 The Legend Of Coitus The Quick - airing Sunday morning on ABC.

[@lewisdoherty7621]

The explosion of Thera/Santorini island/volcano in 1646 BC likely was the major event remembered in Egypt at the time. By that time, Egypt would have been using substantial written documentation and it would have been obvious that one of their major trading partners and probable military competitors had been destroyed in a great catastrophe. That was the generally accepted theory in the late 1970s when I was I college and has always been to this day. It was like Krakatoa. The volcano blew its top. Water rushed into the caldera. The water flashed into steam and a really big tsunami flattened everything in the eastern Mediteranean.

[@eleazarinungaray9551]

Bro, really....what you are saying is "what I learned in college is the truth and if its not taught in college then its not true"....THAT is Grahams point -that the history we have been told is irrefutable. When is YOU'R Netflix show being broadcast? I'd love to watch.

[@lewisdoherty7621]

@@eleazarinungaray9551 The material in college is backed up with logic and facts, and has undergone extensive peer reveiw. Alternative possibilities have been judged against the propositions and eleminated. Can Hancock do this?

[@yosconisi]

Really enjoyed your interview on the Antikythera mechanism!

[@j.christie2594]

🤔🤨,,,

[@OzzSabbath]

I have listened to Graham Hancock on KZbin and even watched his new Netflix series. Love hearing someone else's opinions on his claims.

[@MrPloopi]

Check how arbitrarily he draws lines on site maps, just choosing points as he needs them to prove that the snake or the pyramids align with some stars. Just that didn't ring any bell? I didn't know that guy before I saw the series on Netflix, and it's hard to take his theories seriously. A few minutes are enough. Ther are major flaws in the reasoning to land on the conclusion he has already chosen. One episode he says "so maybe that could have happened" and the next episode about the same thing "now we know for a fact that..." I was like hey wait a minute, 10 minutes ago it was a hypothesis and ... what the..I mean sometimes I was laughing on how evident it's BS. It's a narrative, a fiction, mixing true facts with things everybody knows, but he pretends it's a secret. Truth is collecting data to prove something is far more boring, fastidious, ungrateful, and less sensational than his movies and theories. A rise of sea level on thousands of years becomes a catastrophic single event, but without any proof. But with a lot of ominous music and 3d renditions, that makes it more true somehow. Anyway, with all the money he has now, I think he could finance dozens teams of archeologists to find the remains of a worldwide super advanced society. They knew how to teach building megastructures, so it would be easy to find objective proof of their existence, even under water. And btw a super evolved society who teaches the survivors how to herd goats and plant cereals, they could have been cooler and built them a hospital with antibiotics instead of pyramids aligned on Sirius. Or Orion? Whatever needed I guess.

[@HistoryMaze]

I despise Hancock - his promotion of psychedelics is more than irresponsible - he happily talks about test subjects being given DMT for an hour - the idea? To open up a gateway to commune and 'learn' from entities. I made a vid. He's a vile man.

[@OzzSabbath]

@@HistoryMaze I also dislike how he talkes about our modern society and how we are not the pinnacle of human achievement. I mean sure we have our problems, but it's almost certain our ancient ancestors did as well. If only we can travel back in time and give them a nuclear reactor to play with or a smart phone. They would think it's magic our something that came from one of their gods. We have more understandings of health care, physics, quantum computing, geology, astronomy etc. Then we have heavy equipment capable of lifting many hundreds of tonnes without even trying. I don't want to down play our ancestors, but they were no where near our current technology. Even some mystical civilization that disappeared like he says. He thinks moving 70 ton blocks by some sort of chant or sound waves is doable. Yeah, I'm not buying it. Not to mention most of our advances have come in the last 100 years. Just imagine another 100 years.

[@HistoryMaze]

@@OzzSabbath you know what almost ALL of the psuedohistorians have in common Ozz ? - theosophy. If you don't know much about it - basically - luciferarians. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Annie Beasant, Crowley (also hugely into psychedelics). The foul odious stench of lost high satanshit. I'm not joking. One of the reasons I stopped doing my channel for 2 years...what I learnt disgusted me.

[@lericherf6219]

@@OzzSabbath Exactly. I’m certain this civilization couldn’t use magnetic pulses to see the inside of a human brain with detail to less than 1 mm (MRI). I’m open to humans being around more than 12,000 years, but they certainly weren’t the pinnacle of our species.

[@billstapleton1084]

The 30 ft rise in sea level would depend on where you measure. If we are talking about the black sea which was a valley prior to the end of the ice age. We can see villages that are 300 ft underwater in the black sea

[@yavimayawurm9769]

I'm not on the Hancock's side but I do want to make two points. The first one is that why there aren't that many myths about fires? Earthquakes? Volcanoes? Why flood repeats? Fires are a very common and destructive event so you'd expect a let's say 60% flood 40% fire myths. Another thing are the repeating patterns. A guy gets warned about a flood coming, builds a vessel, takes his family and sometimes animals to breed. The vessel lands on a mountain. You can find exceptions but it harder than finding those that fit the pattern.

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story........or something like that.

[@StefanMilo]

Such a great video! I love it

[@finlayfraser9952]

Okaaaay! But Hancock's narrative regarding the Younger Dryas impact, which I hope you do not deny, and a subsequent sudden draining of a huge Ice Cap lake leading to a Worldwide sea level rise, still fires the imagination. Could Plato be referring to reportage of the Santorini catastrophe?

[@kp-legacy-5477]

People seem to forget Hancock is a presenter and has stated multiple times that sometimes he gets things wrong and he has corrected things many times in consecutive books

[@eduardom.8766]

Here’s what I don’t get-In Plato’s recount of events the Athenians beat the Atlanteans in battle. So if that’s presumed true, then how can we arrive to the conclusion that the Atlanteans were far superior to their peers?

[@ortonh1]

I agree with what you’re saying… But new discoveries that are rewriting history seem to be happening more often …

[@GEOARKADIA]

why do you believe his fakenews?

[@cat_pb]

@@GEOARKADIA because it's out for debate as of yet. Nothing that Hancock claims has been proven and disproven yet. The matter of fact is we don't know it yet. so it's wrong of both sides to say it's true or false. Science keeps updating and proving and disproving it self. Just recently three physicists proved that Einstein was wrong. It's a daily occurrence. The best we can do it's study more and stop attacking people just because they come forward with new ideas. Hancock himself is clear in the series that we need more studies, and to not only see history from one area or side. Several experts can come together and come with a comprehensive study that explains human evolution. that's all.

[@GEOARKADIA]

@@cat_pb "Nothing that Hancock claims has been proven and disproven yet." Fake-News, he predicted an Ice-Age megalith culture by listening to our ancestors, everyone laughed about him. 1995 GoebekliTepe was found, he was right. " The matter of fact is we don't know it yet." You dont know the scientific facts. " so it's wrong of both sides to say it's true or false. " yes i can, that is the point of scientific methode versus wishthinking. ". Science keeps updating and proving and disproving it self. " Exactly!! But David is defending a outdated worldview from the 90s. " stop attacking people " im attacking this channel because its spreading fake-news.

[@josephl9931]

We know nothing about ourselves, yet this guy makes this video claiming he knows more than anyone here... HEADS UP MORONS, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING

[@ortonh1]

@@josephl9931 worth exploring and looking for evidence?

[@russellmillar7132]

Thanks Dr. M. I recently watched reviews of Hancock's books by Thersites the Historian. Stefan Milo did a video about his claims back in 2020. I find his work potentially damaging to minds that fall under his spell in that he discourages his followers from studying legitimate archaeology and history. He's a very successful grifter who seems to care little that he is actually impeding his followers' ability to use critical thinking skills to assess claims.

[@ellenmendoza7246]

I couldn't agree with you more. He not potentially damaging... He is damaging

[@backalleycqc4790]

Yes, Hancock is unfortunately a very good grifter.

[@_Mentat]

Science advances over the bodies of dead scientists. (Paraphrasing Max Planck.)

[@TheMoneypresident]

10 signs of a cult leader.

[@russellmillar7132]

@@TheMoneypresident I'm not sure cult leader is that far off the mark. He certainly could go that way with the following he has. I'd go more " 4 sure signs of a douche bag ". I don't mean to be insensitive to people who are susceptible to cults but, damn, why people gotta be so gullible? And why this douche can't just make a living with honest journalism ( Hancock I mean ) rather than plaguing peoples minds with these dead-end hypotheses and broken, old ideas? Oh yeah, he's a fu*king millionaire off this crap. Guess I'm kinda jealous.

[@minimumriffage7520]

One aspect of the world flood myths that has intrigued me is in Noah's account, of the Dove and the Raven, sending them out to find dry land, the dove returning with an olive branch. The same concept is shared in North America with the Indigenous creation story of Turtle Island. In the Ojibwe version, it was a beaver, martin and ultimately a muskrat who came back with soil from the flooded waters to create the land on the turtle which became North America. There are several variations among the Indigenous nations, but the animals finding evidence of land after a flood is a very specific detail to be shared between two disparate cultures. This of course could be a coincidence, and some will argue these stories were influenced by early Christian colonists, yet the oral tradition of these creation stories are far older than that. Not sure if it means anything, but I thought it was interesting.

[@pyotrberia9741]

There is one detail of Noah's account that I do not understand. How did the two Kangaroos released in Turkey from the Ark make it to Australia? Also why aren't there kangaroos in the middle east, India and south east Asia?

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

What it _means_ is that humans are imaginative, and know what animals would likely be able to do what. Birds could carry branches (they do to make their nests, after all), and beavers, muskrats, etc., are good at moving soil and such around in the water. And people have been telling tales for so very long that of course they would repeat each other around the world in different cultures. Not only that, I've seen some really huge floods in North America, myself, in my own lifetime. Some of them could have covered an entire area where multiple communities were, and that would _seem like_ the entire world was covered with floodwaters - especially after a few generations of passing them down mouth to mouth. That's really all it means. People have seen awful floods, and told each next generation, who told the next, and the next. And people are storytellers, so stories would show up in any and all places among different people.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

There's a pretty serious problem with North American creation stories. The Natives had no written language, so there's no way to determine if the story they told was created before or after contact with European missionaries preaching their versions of bible stories. It's possible that the entire flood myth was simply a retelling of the bible story, altered to fit with Native beliefs.

[@pyotrberia9741]

@@nobodyspecial4702 , European influence on native myths is not just possible, it it a far more reasonable explanation of similarities than assuming that the absurd bible myths are true. We get drawn into the details and lose sight of the absurdity of the main story. To flood the whole World, you need more than 100 times all the water in all the lakes, rivers, atmosphere and ice caps. This is impossible. You need an explanation of where all this water could have come from and where it went a year later. We also know that you cannot get one million species of animals on a boat. We know that many of those animals had to come from remote parts of the World like Tasmania and Patagonia so nobody could have collected them. We know that it is absolutely impossible to recreate a viable population of Tasmanian animals by releasing two individuals on top of a mountain in the Middle East.

[@pyotrberia9741]

If we do not accept that colonists and missionaries influenced native stories and we do not accept that similarities happened independently, we do not need to jump to absurd stories about aliens, magical beings, the bible, etc. The third most likely explanation would be Old-World influence at a much earlier date. We have some real evidence of Viking settlements 1000 years ago in Newfoundland. These settlers could have been aware of bible myths. Next most likely theory is that aliens flew flying saucers to America and spread the bible myths. Last of all is the possibility that science is not real and the world runs on magic and the bible flood myth really happened.

[@420johonig]

Hey are you from Buffalo or is your Grandma from here because we had a blizzard of 77' that old timers here love to go on about 😂😂 live your videos so much you saved me from Hancock's grips so thank you!!! 😊😊

[@johnellison1635]

I remember first hearing about an ancient cataclysm way back in the early 1980s. So I don't think that Graham Hancock was actually the first to postulate the theory.

[@greasley4024]

I love that I found this channel. Thank you for this succinct and transparent analysis.

[@VaughanMcCue]

It helps you see right through charlatans.

[@nimeshchokshi1921]

This is unrelated, but a video on the popularity of Greek art in Ancient Rome would be neat. Like how there was an market for Greek art and that Romans made copies of Greek sculptures to meet the demand. I’ve read that many Greek sculptures that survive today are actually Roman copies of Greek sculptures.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

The thing is, most Greek sculptures were bronze, so the ravages of war and simple economics guaranteed that over time someone would show up to melt the damn things. In fact, we have actual records from the 1204 fall of Constantinople of exactly this kind of thing happening, as the victorious Latin invaders melted down statues to mint coins. Most of the Roman copies of lost Greek statues were made of marble, which is why they survived.

[@Crossword131]

Professor Miano is like my aunt (a school principal) I admired so much. She never lost her cool while suffering fools on all sides. I would shake my head in awe at her restraint and her calm apprehension of the depths of human stupidity.

[@ld4846]

Thanks for the great information! Please keep up the good work!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thank you!

[@ld4846]

@@WorldofAntiquity youre welcome. I enjoy when academics share their knowledge on youtube and engage with these types of speculative history. Bc people like graham hancock are early adopters of new platforms, their ideas spread faster. This provides some balance.

[@thejontao]

Specifically, in regards to a possible cataclysmic flood in the Persian Gulf, I was under the impression that was at least some academic discussion of this. As I understand, the mouth of the Persian gulf is vastly shallower than the gulf itself, and the hypothesis is that it acted like a dam until the glacial meltwater broke the barrier and flooded the gulf. I remember this specifically because I have read people attribute it to the draining of Lake Agassiz at the end of the Wisconsin glaciation, and I happen to have grown up where Lake Agassiz was located, so for entirely personal reasons I have an attachment to that specific hypothesis. I’ll see if I can find some links referring to this… it may help me determine if this hypothesis is from an academic source, or if it is purely speculation from pseudo-historians.

[@thejontao]

While the dating of the filling of the Persian Gulf is consistently linked to the same timeframe as the Lake Agassiz outbursts, the references I found all suggest that it filled slowly over about 4,000 years. I couldn’t find any reference to the filling being “cataclysmic” in the 20 minutes I spent searching. (Although, 20 minutes of googling does not a PhD make.)

[@bigsilverorb3492]

@@thejontao At the end of the day, what were most certainly highly populated (relatively) regions of the earth were lost to the sea over the span when human culture was just forming, which was bound to spawn any number of flood myths. Irregular terrains (think Doggarland) and other natural barriers, combined with meteor or earthquake events, would most likely have caused numerous cataclysmic floods throughout the period, as [Egyptian priests/Sonos/Criteas/Plato/Medieval monks] had described. Nor would it be surprising if some few of these cultures would have noticed the 15mm annual sea level creep, perhaps up one side of an oft-traveled hill pass to the sea. and realized what was coming, and prepared for it...

[@JohnJohn-pm9wq]

In the Northeastern regions of India just below the Himalayas lies a state called Nagaland. And Nagaland is a tribal area with about 16 distinct tribes with a total population of 2.2 million people. The interesting thing about Nagaland is that they have local myths that speak of a massive ancient flood that their ancestors survived, whereas Nagaland is 610 metres above sea level and then increases elevation to 1,830 metres towards the south where technicay there shouldn't be any case of a massive flood. This state is nowhere near large water bodies, it's completely a mountenous region and you can see mount everest early in the morning. They speak of heavy rainfall spanning across days and mountains submerged under water. There was also a recent discovery of soil layering found while cutting through the mountain to construct highways. If you actually go there and see the soil layering that of sedimentary rock disposition. It's interesting how such layerings are formed so high up above sea level that is so further away from any major water bodies and coincidently the tribes have legends of a massive flood that submerged mountains

[@dsimon64]

I feel like the Channeled Scablands might point to evidence of highly localized flooding (Missoula floods) that could've occurred over a pretty short timeframe or at least had bursts with enough velocity and magnitude to be able to form the scablands that are up to about 100m tall. I mean, imagine you're sitting on the beach and you notice a tide pool with sand ripples an inch or two tall. Not extrapolate that out for what would be required to carve the Channeled Scablands. I grant that overall the water rise globally was fairly gradual - but I don't necessarily see that as evidence to deny the existence of some localized flooding that could've been catastrophic in a relatively short amount of time.

[@theSlabberingCabbage]

Came across your critique of " Uncharted X", watched it and instantly subscribed to your channel. So I'm a new subscriber. I find alternative theories of history fascinating but it doesn't mean I believe them. You should reach out to Mr Hancock as he has stated on Joe Rogan that " no-one " has wanted to debate with him about his alternative theories. I couldn't think of anyone better than yourself to debate with him. Kind Regards.

[@celsus7979]

By no-one hancock means 'when they try to challenge me to a debate i put my fingers in my ears and go LALALALALALA'

[@EBDavis111]

He went ona racist conspiracy theorist channel and said nobody would debate him. Gee, I wonder why.

[@Arthagnou]

The "Bad Lands" in the US were not created by gradual erosion...so there would be areas that had massive sudden flooding.

[@lytalo]

I agree that most flood stories come from a few places. I have seen ideas that the Sumerians seem to have been a people that migrated north from areas of the Persian Gulf that were slowly swallowed by the ocean. They moved up to found Uruk and other cities. They were, I believe, one of the earliest civilizations. Maybe they recalled the sea rise that pushed them north and turned it into the "big" flood story. Making in more interesting by saying it happened over night. I do hope that, someday, underwater exploration of the north end of the Persian Gulf might find traces of pre-Sumerian settlements.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

There are many pre-Sumerian settlements. For that matter, URUK might have been one, conquered from the proto-Semitic people who used to live there. The Sumerians are remembered as the oldest civilization because they're the oldest whose writings we can read. However, even in those writings they acknowledge that there were earlier civilizations that they displaced. The Akkadians who then replaced the Sumerians were very likely descended from the earlier proto-Semitic civilization that the Sumerians themselves had displaced. This is actually the case for many "cradle" civilizations. Egyptian mythology remembers Narmer as unifying the two kingdoms of Egypt, which actually means he already ruled a preexistent kingdom that then conquered its neighbor. The Chinese Zhou dynasty claimed themselves to have been the fifth dynasty, naming four dynasties before them.

[@RobBCactive]

Great Hancockian thinking, a people living in a fertile area between rivers, now need to move from submerged land to have a flood myth. Look round the world, rivers flood all the time and can swamp fertile valleys with soils refreshed by silt/clay from mountain erosion. Living by water is convenient yet natural events cause regular flooding.

[@fortuitousthings8606]

There were massive setlements of people in Europe two thousand years before Summer.

[@harrywalker968]

the sumerians went to mesopotamia, because it was the main trading route,city.. for info on pre biblical bs.. history.. watch viper tv sumerian tablets.. then,,keep searching.. but not vids like this crap.. he just hates hancock, even though he doesnt tell all the story.. praveen mohan.. the facts by how to hunt.. everything inside me. old vids.. revalation of the pyramids. .. .

[@GhostScout42]

More likley all flood myths are from an impact in the pacific 5k years ago that created a mega tsuunami as well as about a months woth of rain through the whole planet.

[@ScottAJacob]

As a fan of Graham’s work, I’m happy to see you critically break down some of his details. To your point, I think while he may get the idea of what he wishes to convey out there in a popular format of lost drama and mysterious intrigue, some of his details clearly need a good polishing and editing. One thing though, for myself, I’ve not interpreted Graham’s work to be misleading, but rather thought provoking. Anyone with a bit of brain on their heads should approach any information they receive with an open minded skepticism. Mr. Hancock is by far not nearly the most offensive or imaginative narrator out there today inspiring new thought into old mysteries. I think it is great you have researched and shared your results in comparison to what Graham has had to say. You are respectful and unoffensive with your words and you go through the points which you compare by showing where you sourced the information you used. And as this hasn’t swayed me in any way against Graham’s work, I think you’ve added valuable insight into his narrative which he could benefit from indeed. Have you presented your findings to Mr. Hancock? What was his response? I feel he would be open to constructive criticism in the way you offer it here. Thanks for posting this review and I hope you will do more. Michael Cremo and others would be good targets to review. I look forward to more.

[@samdog166]

I agree, although I’m more convinced by the arguments against Hancock. But I do agree with you, I see too many condescending responses from our side against Hancock, and it’s really disappointing. I really enjoy Hancock’s work, whether I believe it or not. If you’re a part of any Reddit or other groups around Hancock, maybe share this video around? In the hope that he see’s it? I think a conversation between these two would make a great video or podcast. The joe Rogan debates were terrible! Haha

[@sashamoore9691]

I love graham hancock! I think he’s eighth about 99.9% of the things he says

[@slwrabbits]

sü😮u😮

[@zlm001]

One thing a hope for is that more effort, money, time and resources goes into seeking, preserving, resources and time goes into studying history due to the recent surge in popularity of the very alternate theories of history. I think it's always good to question our knowledge, but it seems common that many replace sources of information with more questionable sources. It takes a lot of time to research these things, so I'm happy that you and others are using some yours to present counter arguments and clarification in an very digestible form.

[@goranstojanov1160]

BRAINFART YOU ARE THERE IS NO NEED MONEY FOR RESEARCH HISTORY BUT UNCOVERING BURRIED STUFF NAD TECHNOLOGIES THAT WILL HELP UNCOVER STUFF!!!!! TAHST TEH REAL STUDY OF HISTORY NOT YOUR HEY LETS INVETS IN TRAVELING AROUND AD READING PAPPERS....

[@mytruthslays1303]

Yet they won't debate him, which he has asked them to do for literally a decade. That says alot more about them, than hancock.

[@js0001xg]

@@mytruthslays1303 agreed

[@paulohagan3309]

@@mytruthslays1303 It doesn't matter if they debate him.He will still claim that science and scientists are 'hiding the truth' and carry right on as he was doing. Scientists have experience of people like him and know that debating him would be a waste of time. The best things for scientists to do is to present the evidence, make the arguments and hope that the truth will be accepted by the public in due course. This is what usually happens but people like Hancock don't care. In due course, he will leave the limelight to a probably very comfortable retirement and continue to tell himeself he was right all along and that the mean scientists didn't listen to his genius. Who remembers Von Daniken these days?

[@Anuisgod]

@@mytruthslays1303 yeah lmao

[@impact0r]

Thank you for your service.

[@AWildBard]

I did read one of his books, and the writing was really great. I don't take him to be a truth-teller though. There's a lot of BS. I will say his description of precession really helped me to understand it. Much better than most other descriptions of precession.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

the gift of gab! fun to listen. happy equinox!

[@BK-cs4gv]

Looking forward to this video. Will be nice to see a comprehensive review of the evidence used by Hancock to support his arguments. As with your previous videos I am confident you will give a balanced account, give credit where it is due and criticism where it is needed.

[@VectorOfKnowledge]

Thank you for combating pseudoscience and hogwash.

[@bujinkanatori]

Hancock does not mean that flood myths tell of tsunamis. But that great floods have been experienced globally.

[@tjtennisicmroll2k]

You mentioned that Japan has no flood myth, but I thought that modern Japanese people immigrated from the yellow river region about 10k years ago and mixed with other groups already there. If this is true wouldn’t the Chinese flood myths apply to most modern Japanese people? I believe the Ainu and the izanami creation stories also have similar themes to flood stories as well. The gods caused the islands to appear. While it is not a flood, almost the opposite, I guess it would make sense if we assume the myths of a flood would only be maintained by people living in Japan 12k years ago, and I believe those people did not have writing and probably had their traditions lost or combined with the migration of the jomon peoples.

[@EBDavis111]

So your argument that Japan actually does have flood myths when it doesn't is that Japanese people are the same as Chinese people. Well, it fits the theme.

[@jhsrt985]

You're taking about the ainu people in Northern Japan, they have a completely different look from the children of the sun as they call the Japanese people of today, the ainu say they lived in Japan long before the mainland Chinese came over and pushed them to the most northern reaches of Japan in Hokkaido, the ainu are Japan's natives basically. The ainu say they've been there well over 10,000 years

[@tohaason]

Well, the Ainu weren't Ainu back then, they're probably the descendants of the Jomon people plus other groups. Of course there's also Jomon ancestry in the current Japanese population (along with ancestry from, most likely, regions in or near Korea) (Source: Various, including articles about current research in Japanese newspapers - I haven't read actual research papers about this recently). In any case, people have lived in Japan for maybe 20k years, take or give. The thing is, you don't need flood myths in Japan. By that I mean that there are floods and landslides and sometimes tsunamis *all the time*. Every year. It's a part of living in Japan, where some 18% of the worlds disasters in populated areas happens. No myths needed. It's not something long forgotten, being retold and retold and changed and merged over the years. There are no snow myths in Arctic Europe. None needed.

[@JohnsonArmsProps]

I can't image how frustrating it is for actual scholars to hear people like GH bend truth to support their hypotheses. I appreciate the time spent sharing actually data even if it's not as exciting as lost "advanced civilizations".

[@Alephkilo]

Your assertion that there is only single source of flood myth is also incredulous and if I may say so ethnocentric. There have been flood myths in Mesopotamia , China, Mexico, India and even among native Americans and aborigines. Your assertion that there were no flood myths in Europe is also incorrect . the Norse myths also refer to floods.

[@coriklocek1841]

Did you watch the video? He addressed all of those

[@jmainzer8315]

So, I studied History in college. Went to live in Germany for a few years, stayed for 16. DRANK in history every day, traveled. Because of all that, I LOVE your channel. Appreciate your keeping "Heads Level" in realms of fantasy history... but Dammit, Man (in my best Dr. McCoy voice) Not Graham Hancock. When I worked on the railroad as a conductor, the only way I could sleep in strange Hotels 2X per week was listening to Audibles. Graham was always my guilty pleasure. Outstanding channel, great references as per usual

[@therealmaskriz5716]

It always good to question the norm. Find out about alternativs and see where stuff adds up and where it doesnt

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

*_"Graham was always my guilty pleasure."_* I have seen some old talks by Graysham Hack-crock where he was very dynamic, charismatic and a very good speaker, even though he was talking utter drivel. It's a shame that he's such a charlatan and fraud. Then, after he started frying his brain on ayahuasca, he went a bit slow and dopey. *_"Outstanding channel, great references as per usual"_* This one? Not Hack-crock's? {:o:O:}

[@jmainzer8315]

@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 Hancock's style and charisma were exactly what I was referring to. Like most people with an agenda, in addition to actual intellectual curiosity and a desire to see history on a "Grand Scale", his books and lectures are full of well researched events, personages and, dare I say it, "theories". The missing parts, the innuendos, the skipping over of important details or even actual "timelines"? Meh .. I enjoy him like I enjoy a Historical novel that tells a story "based on actual events". He comes up with a group of pseudo-scientists and near Flat-Earthers with half baked ideas, does a ton of research, tweaks it a bit (or "a lot") then presents it in a very well thought out, slickly edited way. Admittedly? I like his style. I wouldn't base my beliefs on them? But I find them entertaining. Unlike von Daniken, or those freaks pushing fake moon landings or "Positive Thinking"? He, in my mind at least, doesn't leave a slimy feeling on the intellect when I actually finish any of his books.

[@tubaszuba]

Hey man! So far I've loved your content! Interested to hear your thoughts on Jeff Rose and his work on ice age refuges, especially in the Persian Gulf. 🙂

[@harrywalker968]

watch early dan britt vid on ice ages..

[@tubaszuba]

@@harrywalker968 Thanks Harry! Will do 🙂

[@barryheyns5111]

I would like to see a video on any rebuttals of his new Netflix series Ancient Apocalypse...I have to agree that we are a culture with amnesia and that's dangerous.... archeologists are not moving fast enough to look at everything before creating a narrative that is mostly conjecture.

[@HarveyJohnWillmott]

Another great level headed, rational and well researched video.

[@tekannon7803]

This is a sobering re-think on what I had believed up until now was Graham Hancock's account of a global flood. I have to move the goal posts in my mind every time I hear an historical analysis by Professor David----

[@Imthrashsfu]

Thank you for the video, though I do think you minimize the historical implications of oral traditions. Some are undoubtedly exaggerated or fictitious, but others have been proven to have roots in historical fact. The geological evidence of massive flooding at the end of the ice age that far surpasses anything in nearer ancient times is proven. The idea that the people existing then would have remembered such floods is not a stretch. As to ancient civilizations being destroyed at that time...that's another thing. Just remember that Native American oral traditions of their presence in North America far predated conservative archeological doctrine until recent discoveries proved that science was off by roughly 10,000 years. Hancock certainly over-extends his ideas, but I see that as being no worse than conservative science's efforts to obstruct new ideas or even possible evidence when it disrupts established doctrine. That in itself is not very scientific.

[@Timbodacious]

this is the comment that makes this video lose its legs. Hancock and others are showing people a legitimate smoking gun and people are still trying to negate their ideas

[@eliscanfield3913]

Floods of one sort or another are practically universal. You don't need a world ending flood for a folk memory of a really bad flood. The Connecticut River flooded in 1955 and Mom told me a story about how Grandma dealt with it, baby Mom in her arms. There are plaques about how high the water rose in some places. It's remembered, it's told, and it could become a folk story.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

He gets nothing wrong,he just sells lies for a living!

[@williamlitsch5506]

If we lost all memories due to a word wide flood and death then how did he hear about it? A survivor who didn't lose memories or a local who didn't experience it? Either one makes Hancock an idiot.

[@varyolla435]

Yes it is an oxymoronic argument at its' core. To work this supposed civilization needs to be wiped out such that nothing remained. If something remained = people therefore remained - who could simply start anew where they left off. That creates the conundrum here as you alluded to: _"They were supposedly lost = yet we know of them ------> and as we know of them -------> how can they therefore be lost........... - and round and round they go in their self-created maelstrom of circular reasoning. ♾

[@dazuk1969]

Oh David, you are soooo going to p**s off a lot of people with this one. Graham Hancock is the darling of the alternative crowd. To be honest, I have read all his books and I find them interesting. Where the stack of cards falls down is when we come to the "evidence" for his ideas. There is none. Wait for the backlash David !....it will come 😉

[@floridaman4073]

I didn’t see you address the impact aspect of his theory. Setting everything else aside, the impact theory which he picked up from geologists suggesting it has some merit. If it did happen it is a worldwide flood and would produce some significant sea level rise and depending on where debris fell off the object as it came into the atmosphere would produce massive tsunamis. I am originally from Washington State where the scablands are located. Geologist back before my time stated it was created in a day or two. The amount of glacial water that created it is astounding. They theorized lake Missoula was the culprit but it is looking more today that it was a massive fast melt event. That event likely was an impact.

[@floridaman4073]

@Philosophy_First , do you not have reading comprehension? The first line of what I stated was a question. I suggest rereading it. Just because you put a word such as philosophy in your KZbin name doesn’t make you smart likewise me joking putting Florida man in my KZbin name make me stupid. Edit: Hancock is an individual challenging academia to look at new evidence. Is he 100% correct, likely not. Do the flood myths correlate with the impact? More research is needed. His tying on flood myths directly tie into the impact theory. They are both linked for him and his theory. Why I brought it up.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I'm a Florida man myself. The scablands "evidence" is not found in any geological papers as I am aware, and even if confirmed, it isn't evidence for anything global, right? Keep in mind that we are looking for a worldwide phenomena at that time, and all we have is the evidence of a slow sea level rise.

[@rayquaza1245]

I always see these types of comments on debunk videos. "Well you didn't address this one thing" as if that discredits the video. Why is the standard of proof for these videos always significantly higher than the standard of proof for the extraordinary theory? Also find it interesting how you cite geologists here, yet Hancock's theories constantly disregard the geologist's/archaeologist's/historian's consensus about our past.

[@floridaman4073]

@@WorldofAntiquity David I commend you for questioning individuals on the claims they make. I’ve questioned items you’ve discussed. It’s all part of the journey to the truth. As for the scablands there are professors from Central Washington University, Wenatchee valley College, Eastern Washington University and Washington State University that document thoroughly the geological evidence. It’s a fascinating geological feature. Some are professor Dawes of WVC, Professor Stradling of EWU, and a nod to Professor Dutch of the University of Wisconsin off the top of my head. USGS has studied the area extensively as well. Edit: the scablands were produced by a fast melt event. Previously thought to be water held back. What caused it is the “theory” of an impact. Evidence seems to possibly presenting itself as an impactor on the Laurentide Ice Sheet. Again theoretical.

[@floridaman4073]

@@rayquaza1245 yes this is all entertainment. If one wants to prove something wrong the bar is higher. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be to make the point. Mr Hancock does talk about the scablands and does use them as “evidence”. Why I personally brought it up. Is he right about everything else, no. Does David counter his arguments successfully that all the flood myths are tied together, I think so. As me listing professors it is directly a response to David not knowing of papers written. I suggested some professors to look at specifically related to the scablands. Edit: David comes across as a facts based guy so if I have disagreements or want to expand on something in a response I will quote professors or papers as a response because that in my opinion is the proper thing to do.

[@ProTantoQuid]

Myths are stories which originate when people try to explain something they have observed but can't explain. Or perhaps when they want to increase the prestige of some event. As an irishman, my favourite myth is those genealogies which trace clann ancestries back to Adam.

[@AnyoneCanSee]

I'm sure the Greeks and the entire region had an oral memory of the 16th century BC Santorini volcanic eruption that was massive enough to blow the entire island apart and must have sent massive waves across the entire Mediterranean destroying many coastal settlements. It's not surprising that many places have flood myths as many places suffer deadly floods. It certainly doesn't point to one event.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

Agree and disagree. Flood myths should be common since floods are common. But floods that end an entire era of civilization are rare. And we just happen to know about a time...

[@petebrierley6563]

Hi David, I'm going to put my hands up straight away and admit that I follow quite a lot of alternative history advocates as I'm not convinced that main stream has history completely sewn up into a nice little bundle. Having said that, I don't blindly accept everything that is said and I do try and check facts (so called) but, as I'm sure is the case with a lot of people, time constraints don't allow in depth research. This is the reason I subscribe to your channel, so I can get a measured view of the main stream stance. So many 'mainstreamers' just throw ridicule towards non-mainstream views and that just makes me mad because it not productive for me. So, thank you for taking the time to clarify and point out mistakes in the alternative views, I will definitely keep watching.

[@scienceexplains302]

The key is the process of discovery. Trained scholars tend to go to primary sources, use consistent standards whether they’re assessing something they agree with or disagree with. They challenge each other with evidence and logic. *Pseudo-historians* tend to get a pet idea, look for confirming evidence, and ignore contrary evidence. (Confirmation bias) I agree with Carl Sagan, and apparently you, that the way to counteract bad science is not with ridicule, but with good science

[@zithanthropus6385]

Notice how Miano focuses on a narrow set of ideas that belong within the context of a much larger set of ideas. This affords him the opportunity to construct all manner of omission fallacies. And he did. If you come to Miano thinking you're getting an unbiased review, you're getting fooled.

[@scienceexplains302]

@@zithanthropus6385 Please give an example of an omission fallacy in this video.

[@zithanthropus6385]

@@scienceexplains302 The first piece of information omitted is when this talk occurred. Neither Miano nor the channel he refers to notes when the talk occurred. It could be a decade ago for all we know. Additionally, Miano does not mention YDI science. He doesn't mention thr catastrophists paradigm. He doesn't mention any of Hancock's other work. Why doesn't he mention these things? Because that would give you context that he doesn't want you to have.

[@scienceexplains302]

@@zithanthropus6385 Miano is showing that Hancock’s claims in this presentation are gross exaggerations. Hancock also appears to be using confirmation bias - what seems to support his case, he includes and exaggerates, what goes against it, he ignores. Why should Miano go to Hancock’s other works, when there is sufficient bullshit here to assess? I asked for a fallacy as you claimed. You gave me more vague claims.

[@baccy81]

Randall Carlson has an interesting explanation of how the subsiding of Atlantis is linked to the flood process: the sudden melting of a gigantic portion of ice relieves the earth crust from the downward pressure caused by the ice cap itself and triggers an imbalance inside the earth mantle, followed by intense volcanic activity to an intercontinental extent

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Strange that nowhere in Scandinavia has this happened, or anywhere close to it. And we are constantly rising after the pressure from the ice age glaciers have been lifted. Soon we Swedes will be able to walk to Finland. And we haven't lost a single one of our half a million islands combined.

[@baccy81]

@@benghazi4216 yes, this hasn't happened in Europe in general. It happened only around the Atlantic plaque junction with the American plaque because the spot is weak and thinner. According to Carlson, Atlantis was the Azores, so it does make a bit of sense

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@@baccy81 Yeah, clearly Carlson isn't a geologist. No one can seriously think the Azores, the peaks of a volcanic range we have very good measurements of, was actually the snowy peaks of a continent that sunk 12k years ago.. Someone has been too inspired by Hollywood movies like 2012 or the day after tomorrow I think.

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@@benghazi4216 I don't think Plato ever talks about a continent with snowy peaks. It is more probable it was an archipelago of small islands, which isn't impossible for it to disappear under the sea level in a massive cataclysm. I believe it's funny how science agrees without a doubt that a meteor was responsible for the annihilation of the dinosaurs but a similar event would not be likely to have wiped out a large part of the human population in a period from which we have basically zero written or drawn documentation, just oral legends. No one in Carlson's community was inspired by Hollywood trash or blindly believes in religious texts. I do not believe in any god, but I think our ancient stories are trying to tell us something, since they are simply the same story being transmitted over and over from who knows when. The Bible is basically a Sumerian epic with more bells and whistles and the Sumerians probably heard it from someone else. I think dismissing a cataclysm as an event that occurred while humans were already present on this planet is just an unacceptable refusal driven by fixed ideologies of certain scientists with a narrow view. A fruitful dialogue and an open-minded collaboration between the so-called "alternative" theorists and the so-called "academics" would definitely led us to the truth more quickly.

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@@baccy81 1) If you want the Azores to be Atlantis, the present islands would be at least 2000m high mountain peaks. Again, we know how the volcanic range looks like under the sea. 2) This must be a joke? Do you know what happened to the world when the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs hit? We can still see the evidence for that clearly. We can't see any evidence for this 12k years ago.... 3) Yes, their theories read just like a ridiculous Hollywood movie script. That is why they are selling books, and not writing papers to be peer reviewed. 4) The narrow view is to grasp as straws for some fantastical story, with not even a shred of evidence for it. Be objective. Go where the evidence points. And that is not done by reading the ramblings av charlatans with little to none actual knowledge about what they are talking about.

[@dantyler6907]

Why the timer on the video to 1/hundredths of a second? I mean, really?