Did Horikoshi's fear ruin My Hero Academia?

[@silverhand8744]

I wouldn't say his fear is responsible, but the people who stoked that fear are responsible

[@uwayn9829]

If hori had full freedom, im sure he would have made the manga longer and could’ve develop and execute better the storyline and the world building.

[@ebrimajallow3165]

It appears that Horikoshi chooses which characters he wants to kill off and which characters he wants to let live without much influence from the fans. Endeavour is one of those examples. I recall him mentioning that he wanted to kill him off against Nomu, but he changed his mind since there was still so much story to tell. He could've chosen the typical 'redemption via death' route, but he chose to spin it instead. I believe he was never going to kill All Might in the first place. I think what he meant was that that fight vs AFO was going to come later, but he moved it forward and pushed the villain stuff for later, i. e. S5 of the anime. So many times we see the mentor die and it's up to the successor to figure out the path on his own once the torch is passed, however, Horikoshi decided to let him live and spun the trope in a different direction. Bakugo saving All Might was amazing for Bakugo's character. Should it have been easy to fight AFO with his injuries, no. Even with the explanation provided (quirks rebelling, weakened, etc.), that felt forced regardless of how epic it looked. I agree with your point that for the villains being as horrifyingly powerful as they are, our heroes rarely show that they feel the consequences that the story is trying to relay to the audience. This is until s6 and onwards, of course. Basically, the villains don't do enough lasting damage to those we care about, even though they are more than strong enough to do so.

[@RikoDiko]

For Endeavor that's true, I don't believe he weighs every character's life or death based on whether the fans would be mad/upset or not, my speculation is mainly with the main trio and All Might. With Bakugo he has probably the best character arc in MHA imo which is why I believe he is so popular. I agree that he has exciting spectacle moments towards the end but personally I felt if his death was permanent that would have been a great completion to his arc. If Horikoshi always planned to bring him back, even if I don't like it, that's the way it is, but my concern is whether he did it because he thought fans would be mad/upset etc. Something I should have mentioned in the video when talking about Horikoshi making changes or writing to please the fans is that, ofc to some degree this is normal and expect I mean you're writing something you want people to enjoy or be engaged with so you write moments and characters to achieve that.

[@foxymoon7860]

You mention All Might and Bakugo but I think most ass writing was when Gran Torino survived. We already had so many characters in the story and not even relevant side characters ended up dying

[@RikoDiko]

I agree we should have seen more of the big name characters dying especially during the final arc

[@greengem9132]

Nah the most ass writing is when horikoshi thinks bakugou can still fight after getting his body destroyed only to be stitched up with no medical needs

[@RikoDiko]

But All Might was about to die he just had to push past his limits bro

[@greengem9132]

@@RikoDiko then why have Bakugou die in the first place that I don't understand. Just have him heavily injured and have someone with a healing quirk drop by and help him boom done Honestly I kinda thought both were going to die Like when we saw bakugou interacting with allmight vestiges I thought bakugou would sacrifice himself to give deku the missing half of one for all along with his explosion quirk to boost it strength But I guess i was wrong for thinking outside of the box

[@foxymoon7860]

@@greengem9132 Yeah that was also ass writing but to an extent bakugo surviving makes sense since he's a kid. but the way no one else also died and gran torino survives as well, it's just bad writing and sucks away all the tension

[@blackprism5381]

This was a well researched video. I really enjoy your breakdown. I don’t know what happened to my previous comment, but I really love your video. But I won’t lie to you. I skipped some parts to will not to spoil myself. But overall, I really love how you were open minded when doing your research anyhow I wanna leave you with. Riko Diko Within dark Times, no matter what, keep on going , allow thy friends allow thy family or any Peers to help guide thou motivate you on the path of happiness no matter what happens go on to traverse on that path happiness keep on running to your ambitions. Continue on to achieve them for you are all amazing. Have a nice day. Stay safe and enjoy life.

[@oreotaku4017]

Ultimately I think it’s a yes and a no. I think the overall meat of the story was the one Hori wanted to tell. But he definitely cut off some meat when he was trimming the fat. Up until the summer training I was under the impression that the series would span the course of the in universe years that Deku would be attending UA. Where we would get the chance for every character to have an arc where they would play a larger role(For example how Kirishima had his story during the Overhaul arc) it didn’t have to be much, they wouldn’t even necessary need to fight. But it seemed that he would increase the pacing while cutting away other segments. Fans would be at odds over what part of the story they enjoyed. Some hated the school training and tests while others hated the dramatic battles with the villains. I’m just glad most of the things he did managed to set up got proper pay offs.

[@RikoDiko]

I agree I had the same impression that a lot of the class members would get red riot type back stories, but yeah with the amount of classmates, and then when other class members became more prominent it's just not possible to do

[@bernieburton6520]

The only thing that was left out at the end was going through with the romantic relationships. But there were a lot of crazy shippers literally sending him death threats. It's one of the reasons that a lot of younger more recent mangaka have decided to completely hide their identity and stay off social media. The manga is certainly not perfect. But most of the story lines and the characters that were actually important got great arcs. Sure he should have killed more heroes, but that's just a nitpick. As far as the My Villain Academia arc, the arc was very unpopular in Japan. It's why the anime made it shorter then it was in the manga. And do mangaka change the story because of readership? They are literally forced to by Shounen Jump. Shounen Jump has reader surveys in every physical copy of the magazine in Japan and those surveys are taken seriously by the publishing company. They are what determines whether a manga is kept or axed. And if a manga gets bad reviews in the survey the editors will have the mangaka change things to try and get readership up.

[@RikoDiko]

I think you could be right with the romance plot, I thought if it was wrapped up at the end of the manga you wouldn't have to worry so much about that side of the fan base having backlash because the series is over. But I guess you just never know with some people it's possible he just didn't as to avoid any unnecessary headaches. I wouldn't say not killing more heroes is a nitpick since I think it blunts the overall impact the final arc is trying to set up. Also, I didn't know that each magazine had those feedback sections, I've never read a physical copy myself, but if I ever make another video discussing them that is something important to know, and I would have included it if I had. Thanks.

[@crumpscrumbs]

Hell no. If that was the case, he never would’ve gone through with Endeavor’s atonement.

[@jfess1911]

I have only watched some of the anime, but I began to lose interest with the change in emphasis of the plucky young heroes to the villains. It seemed that the overall tone changed as well and became more grim. Instead of being about the young heroes getting stronger and growing as a team, the anime switched more about the villains and horrific battles with the heroes getting injured and barely surviving confrontations. The emphasis also focused in on fewer of the heroes with many of them becoming more or less irrelevant. In some respects, it switched from "watch the young heroes learn and grow" to "watch them get beat up".

[@damienearl8302]

I can respect that you'd rather not watch that kind of show, but as someone who also watched through the anime as of yet, I think the point was moreso to set up and then emphasize just how small the main heroes are compared to the threat they're facing, so you can then be excited when they end up winning despite the major differences in power I mean, would it be as exciting to see them win their fights if they never lost, or if it seemed like there wasn't even a chance that they could?

[@jfess1911]

@@damienearl8302 I can understand that. Over the years ( I am more than 60), I have lost interest in battle anime. The first seasons of MHA were more a story of the young heroes developing, which I find more interesting than battle after battle. I have tried to get back into the series a couple of times but thus far, it has not grabbed me again. That, of course can be an issue with seasonal series. Once I start watching a series, often there is enough inertia to keep me watching to the end of the arc. Sometimes during the time between seasons, however, my interest wains.

[@priam2882]

Are you saying it wouldn't have been all for nothing

[@RikoDiko]

It would have been all for one

[@Lonewulf321]

No

[@uwayn9829]

The writing was « ruined » ???😐did we read the same manga lol. The goal of the story may have been changed by hori mid production, he still managed to finish off most plotlines well enough to tell a good story. Id rate it 8.5 without a doubt.

[@RikoDiko]

I think changing the goal of the story mid production is the problem because now you have all these loose ends you've set up with foreshadowing that lead to nothing, which then makes the ending worse because you don't get the payoff that's set up. I was a fan of the manga for a long time but I felt the writing got a lot worse with the insane power scaling, plot contrivances, and deus ex machina's, especially during the final arc. I'm also curious, which plotlines you felt had good enough payoffs to warrant an 8.5? Because to me I felt a lot of the plotlines involving the character's developments were redundant. Even by the end of the manga Deku hasn't evolved much past the idealistic and naive boy he was at the start, whereas Bakugo I feel had a complete arc and actually evolved and showed growth, far from the arrogant bully he was at the start. Even though I think a hero's death would have been a better end for him.

[@uwayn9829]

@ the whole todoroki family plotline had a great payoff, much like toga and urarakas arcs. The majority of main characters managed to get a more than decent conclusion. In this manga, the highs are very high and the low not so low, just mid. The arcs are great, the fights are intense, the plot is interesting, and the writing is superb overall. I’m obviously a big fan of mha, but i try to look at it objectively. There aren’t many flaws which you can point out in this series overall. The only valid criticism there is to be made is that some arcs are rushed (vigilante, prologue) and that there is some plot holes (hero society’s flaws). Hence why i rate it 8,5. 9 would be too high and 8 would be too low for a modern classic. I think most of the people would agree. The anime is already rated 8.3 on imdb, and 8.5 on mal. I can’t imagine if it had greater animation.

[@RikoDiko]

The Todoroki family plot has it's good moments but with Dabi surviving by the end it felt cheapened. There's definitely more than a few flaws throughout the story. I disagree the only criticism is pacing and some plot holes, if we're looking at it objectively. I wouldn't call it a modern classic but it definitely deserves some respect for the heights it's reach in popularity and pop culture, and like I said I really enjoyed a large portion of the manga. Regarding MAL and IMDB I don't really hold much stock in that because you can enjoy a show regardless if it's good or bad.

[@uwayn9829]

@@RikoDiko i agree dabi surviving is a questionable choice but it offers an original ending, and doesn’t ruin the whole plotline. By few flaws i mean few big flaws. Micro flaws are present in every manga, i dont really consider them, since their consequences are limited. What would you say is a big flaw besides rushed pacing and plot holes ? You don’t have to call it a modern classic since it is already considered as one in the community. Imo not calling it as such is kind of a bad take considering how big it is in every way of the term. Its definitely a modern shonen classic, and im sure it will be remembered for a long time, much more than its competitors. I mentioned the popular rating to show you it’s obviously good, since a bad show (even if enjoyable) wouldn’t have those types of praise. So i think 8.5 is pretty justified

[@RikoDiko]

@@uwayn9829 plot holes are a big enough issue by themselves, as for pacing I think it has issues but that doesn't effect my enjoyment of the manga as much as plot holes do. But besides those, like I mentioned before my biggest issues were the plot contrivances and deus ex machina's with characters surviving impossible odds. Those plot contrivances made some of the plotlines redundant also. I didn't like how quickly society turned on the heroes, I also didn't like how quickly they turned back to them either. I'd also expected Stain to play a larger role in society turning on the heroes, and more criticism of heroes like Ochako who initially wanted to be a hero for money, same for the TV hero I don't remember her name. But I thought those together would build valid criticism against heroes for quirkless society to rally behind and finally turn on them.