Did Kobe Bryant deserve only ONE MVP???

As someone who is often involved in the G.O.A.T debate, how is it a player of Kobe's caliber was only able to capture one MVP award in a 20 year career?

[@GamePointGP1]

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[@brianbutler2148]

Stay off the drugs son

[@BouchIsOnTheLoose702]

One is better than nothing.....

[@andrejamison2723]

You have to take an account also Kobe Bryant played in the Western conference and during that time the Western conference was the toughest conference also taking account the politics of the media when it came to voting for the MVP because you can argue that even 2008-2009 LeBron James was not better than Kobe Bryant

[@PIP...33]

@@andrejamison2723 THAT MEANS GARNETT IS BEST PLAYER. BECAUSE HE PLAYED ALONE 13 YEARS. KOBE IS WAGON IN SUPERTREAM FROM DAY 1.

[@d.luvevo711]

How was Kobe in 06 and 07 not reaching that historical level but Jokic did? Also Kobe won 46 games in 2006… Westbrook won MVP with 47 wins, Jokic with 48… Those two awards contradict Kobe losing.

[@GamePointGP1]

That's a good point. The reason as to why Nikola and Russ won the MVP with under 50 wins and Kobe didn't is based on a few things. #1 They broke larger scale NBA records. Jokic set the regular season PER record that was previously held by Wilt Chamberlain and then he became the 1st player in NBA history to record 2,000 pts- 1,000 rebounds and 500 assist in a season. Westbrook also hit the triple double mark which hadn't been done before in a half century. On top of that they both led teams to a top 6 seed in their conference with little to no help. Russ also had a narrative boost since KD had left.

[@davidgator2540]

@@GamePointGP1 I love jokic and his record setting but his best player his first year was better than Kobe’s best player both those years 😂😂 jokic had Murray for his first MVP and had 5 players with 10+ ppg his 2nd mvp. Lakers finished top 3 both those years as for joker and the nuggets, they finished 3rd and 6th those two years. Smush Parker isn’t better than will barton or Aaron Gordon

[@criticalcerebral]

Big men always had the MVP if they have more stats and wins than most smaller players.

[@jaydubb2005]

Kobe was black balled by the Nba after the Colorado incident. Kobe was the best all around two way player in the league once Jordan retired in 98. Kobe remained the best all around two way player in the league til around 2012. Lebron was close but Lebron wasn't an animal on Defense like Kobe. Kobe has 12 All Defense, Lebron only 6. It's the 2 way dynamic that separates Kobe from the rest.

[@criticalcerebral]

@@jaydubb2005 It's a possibility that might be the case. At the end of the day, for that to be true he needed to win at least 50+ games each year. If he checked all of the MVP boxes and won 50+ games and still didn't win a MVP, the NBA knew it was their best interest not to crown as the best player. The NBA doesn't like controversy in the Colorado case subject, but they love controversy if it only has to do with basketball.

[@user-pn2pi6jb9w]

Kobe should have 5 MVP'S 2003 2006 2007 2008 and 2009

[@kellykell8439]

Kobe definitely should've gotten more MVP regular season awards but it is what it is. I remember Kobe leading a team that had both Smush Parker as the point guard and Chris Mihm as the center to the playoffs. That team was far worse than the Nuggets team that Jokic had with Murray and Jokic got a MVP.

[@theetruth8626]

Stop it

[@dlogan7808]

Facts

[@shoishoi14]

@@theetruth8626 lol with your username you know it’s true!!!

[@rajathnayak5624]

if u look in a context wise, jokic has ruined the regular season mvp award.

[@kellykell8439]

@@rajathnayak5624 They probably can still award the NBA regular season MVP award the right way moving forward.

[@HotGritz910]

I would argue kobe was the best player from 2003-2011

[@vsmith3rd]

If you think Kobe was better than Shaq in 2003-04, then you're mistaken. Kobe was the reason they lost that Finals to Detroit, while Shaq was dominant af. Unfortunately, Kobe wanted to take many more shots, and they weren't falling for him. Plus Shaq had a better season that year.

[@HotGritz910]

@@vsmith3rd that's a good argument

[@GamePointGP1]

Kobe over Lebron in 2010 and 2011? 🤔

[@HotGritz910]

@@GamePointGP1 are we just looking at stats?

[@jon-fn7ob]

@@GamePointGP1 yes Kobe led his team to championships during those years

[@bryanperalta740]

As much as I am a Steve Nash fan, I would objectively say that Kobe deserved the 2005-2006 MVP season title.

[@Tonyoung55]

in 2002 Kobe was the best player in the leage and avg 30.6 ppg 6.9rpg and 5.9apg to me he was robbed that year best 2-way in the league clear but the narrative hurt him because they kept talking bout he got shaq and honestly that's what hurt him and shaq plus honestly the media most was not feeling kobe because of the jordan comparison. Kobe was the best payer in the league from 2002-2010 IMO

[@MasterRoshiSama]

I think he even showed flashes of being the best still up until he tore his achilles.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Not really

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Nah shaq was better from 2000 to 03 and Duncan was in 03. Kobe was better from 04-10

[@Tonyoung55]

@@jasonmoukala8909 I disagree but they all great Kobe is simply a better overall player to me then SHAQ on ring 2 definitely ring 3 people regard SHAQ higher then what it was because of the championship round but in the players they were usually equals and Kobe was a better overall player so I edge him

[@nexusassoon8367]

2013*

[@jimmyrodriguez5670]

The MVP has always been a popularity contest for the media. The media loved Shaq and chose Shaq's side during that nonsense rivalry. That solidified the fact that Kobe was never going to get the nod while they played together. Then once they split, the media chose sides which guaranteed Kobe wasn't going to get the nod. The Colorado case didn't help, and with the arrival of LeBron (the new media darling whom all of them wanted to be the greatest of all time so that they could say they called him the greatest since high school) it was just a waiting game for them until they could justify them giving him as many MVPs as possible. It always has been, and always will be, a popularity contest for the media. The players should be the only ones who vote for this award.

[@bojanpejovic7691]

1) while kobe played with Shaq, Shaq was a way better player than Kobe, media had nothing to do with it. 2) Once Kobe and Shaq split, the media chose Kobes side. 3)Kobe didn't lose out on MVPs because of popularity, he was by far the most popular player in the league alongside lebron. Are you trying to tell me Nash,Duncan,KG were more popular than Kobe Bryant?

[@jimmyrodriguez5670]

@@bojanpejovic7691 the fans don't vote for MVP. If you don't know this, why would you even comment? Putting numbers in front of opinions does not make those opinions facts.

[@bojanpejovic7691]

@@jimmyrodriguez5670 oh, so you meant popular in the voting circles. What you are describing is agreeability then, not popularity. And while Kobe had a shit relationship with ESPN at the time due to his comments, he was absolutely more popular and a million times more marketable ( the important thing for media members ) even in media circles than Nash, Duncan and KG, and was up there with Lebron. The reason Kobe only won one MVP, is because he barely even deserved that one, go back and look at his production and records. Even Nash's second MVP would not have gone to him.

[@jimmyrodriguez5670]

@@bojanpejovic7691 Duncan was the media darling and Kobe's trial ruined his marketability for years. It wasn't until the other players started to openly state that Kobe was the best in the league, that the media started giving him credit again. Duncan has 1 MVP that belongs to Jason Kidd, and another that belongs to KG or Kobe. I meant popularity, not agreeable. Don't change my words. My entire point was within the context of the MVP votes.

[@diegobromfield]

@@bojanpejovic7691 Not "way better" just "better". Kobe was no role player so saying Shaq was way better than him is crazy talk as they would not have won those championships without Kobe. And it is a popularity contest for the media so the guy is right. Why else would they be putting LeBron above Kobe and everybody on the all time list all the way at #2 before he even won a 4th championship. And he is still trailing Kobe to this day yet in media circles it is blasphemous to say Kobe is better than LeBron. The players should have more say.

[@Azidonis]

Kobe only won one MVP because the media absolutely hated him and did everything they could to suppress his shine. The league was no different. He didn't bow, they didn't like it, they were against him, and it was obvious... all the way up to his death and even after. These "what ifs", and "why nots" were because the media downplayed tf out of Kobe his whole career. What if Kobe would've started his first three years? What if he wasn't asked to "dial it back" to keep Shaq's lazy ass happy? What if the Chris Paul trade wouldn't have been vetoed by David Stern? What if he wouldn't have gotten hurt? What if the entire NBA and the media didn't completely stack against Kobe his whole career? What if they would've worshiped him like a God like they did Jordan? What if the Lakers organizations would've put someone with him besides Kwame Brown? How much money in profit have the Lakers made off of Kobe? What if he wouldn't have had to challenge Big Pharma, and he was still here? Kobe Bryant - the most underrated basketball player of all time. RIP GOAT

[@Jacob_Spang]

The 9 first team all-nba defense selections says it all. Even if he averaged 16 points per game he would still be HOF material. But he was also an offensive force that got game planned against.

[@Blanco6612]

he didn't deserve any of those he wasn't a great defender

[@safe3220]

​@@Blanco6612 He certainly didn't deserve nine of them and got at least a couple through reputation, him getting it over Rondo in 2012 was a joke for example. But to say he didn't deserve any? That is just showing your lack of knowledge.

[@Blanco6612]

@@safe3220 get off my dick

[@willocashh]

if kobe played in the modern era i think a 2006 caliber season would be MVP since they are taking individual narratives/dominance a bit more seriously. He'd average like 37 era adjusted, dropping 81 and other crazy scoring outbursts leading to huge headlines and news. Kobe was a mega star and face of basketball despite not being on a contender.

[@Levi-lr4vi]

Actually, he would average 40, era adjusted. He averaged 36% of the league team average in points in 06. But I agree with your sentiment.

[@peamut547]

He woild probably drop 100 in this era

[@revyty3134]

@@Levi-lr4vi aha yeah ai that year era adjusted would b doin 38 lol it’s crazy how diff pace is

[@bearwithme9433]

Harden averaged 35+ for two to three seasons and had a 50+ winning record and didn't win mvp so he wouldn't win an nba mvp even if you put 2006 into the modern era.

[@jaydubb2005]

Yeah, Kobe was the best and most skilled 2 Way player in the Nba or 12-13 years.

[@SEYEBOY]

Hakeem Should Have 93 94 95 MVPs hand down best Player and True MVP those Years.

[@johnjones9901]

Miss you so much Bean! RIP you Gigi and all the others 🙏🙏❤️❤️🙏

[@jonathanhouck180]

I appreciate this video bro . A lot of Kobe hate lately . This makes my heart feel good to know that some aren’t blinded by the media

[@theetruth8626]

Maybe it's not hate it's reality Jordan carried his team to 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop Kobe was missing playoffs and 1st round exits when Shaq left Jordan impact was way greater than Kobe

[@GamePointGP1]

Thank you. 💯

[@lesliebarber206]

Just watched a video of Kobe saying that he really doesn't care about winning MVP, his desire was to win as many championships as possible and he won 5 !

[@GamePointGP1]

And that's the essence of The Mamba Mentality. Solely focused on the mission. 🐍

[@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348]

Kobe won 5 because he played with Shaq. 3 of them were “coattail chips.”

[@GamePointGP1]

@Attaining Knowledge of Truth I agree the 1st ring could be seen as a "coattails" championship (granted Kobe did get hurt in the finals and missed essentially 2 games) I have to say that Kobe was just as integral in The Lakers winning in 01 and 02. Shaq was the better player in 01, but it wasn't by much, and by 02, they were a 1A 1B.

[@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348]

@@GamePointGP1, This is my point. Say you swap Kobe for T Mac. The Lakers still win 3 chips in 2000,2001,2002. But if you take Shaq off those teams then the Lakers don’t win any of those chips. Most people have Kobe in top 10 all time but not Shaq. This is asinine. Kobe is overrated and Shaq is underrated.

[@TheRealDarth_Vader]

@@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 I disagree if anything I'd say if shaq wasnt there Kobe would have still won a couple maybe not a 3 peat but he would have won if he managed to win 2 without shaq than I'm sure he we would have had more

[@Osei_Bean_8ryant]

One thing that messed him up was The average mvp type player is drafted to a sorry team who by year 4-6 has figured out the right kind of team to put around him. That player then hits their stride both individually & with team success & thats when the mvp's come. Kobe's career didn't line up like that. He started his career with shaq who was not only a great player but was older than kobe & lost his prime a couple of years premature. when he left the lakers the lakers had to rebuild around kobe & that simply takes time. So kobe "wasted" 3 years of his prime (probably the best 3) on really bad & average coached teams.

[@dryames4319]

Just discovered this channel, and I can already tell you’re gonna be big. P.S. I really appreciate the Batman music at the end!

[@GamePointGP1]

Thank you so much! That really means the world to me. 💯 And yeah, I really liked how The Batman music added to the moment.

[@brettkling7064]

Kobe was easily the best player from 04-10. He has less MVP’s due to media narratives. I also would argue that KD was the best player in the league in 2014. Unfortunately, a false accusation was detrimental to Kobe’s legacy. We were being spoon fed KOBE the great and he deserved it and we loved it until that 04 season.

[@GamePointGP1]

2004 is a debatable start point for Kobe the best. However, I can't say he was better than Lebron in 2010. I would also have to disagree with KD being the best in the league in 2014. He was having an amazing season but Lebron was clearly #1. To an extent I agree with the media narrative but the real reason he didn't win more was because earlier he wasn't winning enough and later there were players who were either better or doing better than him.

[@GamePointGP1]

@FlaxOFF While I agree with the competition aspect, I don't think that's a direct reason as to why Kobe would be better than Lebron in 2010. There have been years in NBA history in which the best player in the league does not play in the strongest conference in the league.

[@GamePointGP1]

@FlaxOFF That he did, but Lebron won more games with a worse roster. With the MVP being a regular season award it's understandable why Lebron won it over Kobe.

[@GamePointGP1]

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[@brettkling7064]

We are all partial to certain players. It’s obvious you are a massive Lebron fan. Lol KD averaged 7 points more a game in 14 with a non custom super built team. Lol

[@outdoorluxuries2887]

He wanted his team to win championships. He's a true legend

[@GamePointGP1]

#MambaMentality🐍

[@papadoc331]

Why did he sell his team in 2004?

[@PIP...33]

@@GamePointGP1 WHAT MENTALITY ?? U MEAN WAGON. NAME ONE HOF IN GARNETT TEAM OR KOBRICK IS NOBODY...

[@ibrahimmohamed490]

@@papadoc331 He was tired of shaq getting all the love and everyone acting like he carried kobe so kobe wanted to prove in the o4 finls that he could be better and failed but he got better and won in 09,10

[@ibrahimmohamed490]

@@PIP...33 What?

[@Arsenal1410]

In my opinion Kobe was the best player in the NBA from 2002-13. He was putting up great numbers along with winning. Not winning the MVP in 2009 was a robbery.

[@applycontext9161]

Not true

[@Kendricktimes2]

Your smoking crack

[@MrEOM41]

His historic season he should’ve won it … I think it was the season that he scored 81.

[@erikpenabella599]

Rest In Peace Mamba 🙏🏼

[@anthonyyoung6433]

In Kobe’s Prime they were discounting his performance because he played with SHAQ. They didn’t subtract from Curry for playing with Durant.

[@jamespuso1627]

I mean, Curry wasn't winning MVPs when he was playing with KD.

[@CMXR]

nah people do discredit curry for winning with durant most of it goes go durant himself tho

[@coreydorsey4121]

Yes they did until he GSW won last season without Durant. The same way some people were claiming Shaq carried Kobe until he won 2 without him.

[@safe3220]

People discredit Curry for playing with the players he played with all the time. Where have you been for the past five years?

[@marcuscastillo514]

The way MVP’s go in recent history is sort of a back to back trend. In the 90’s it was Jordan getting back to backs, Tim Duncan and Steve Nash in the 2000’s, Lebron, Steph, Giannis in the 2010’s, and now Jokic in the 2020’s. Other MVPs were pretty deserving of their awards when Kobe had a chance like Dirks 2007 season after they lost in the finals came back and dominated to 67 wins but got upset by the Warriors. Nash was running a high powered offense with winning results in the regular season and changed the tempo of the NBA. Kevin Garnett was a two way force himself in 2004. And then Lebron started his run after Kobe’s mvp season.

[@RDL7Pro]

Colorado is why. RIP Kobe legend

[@LCfamily77]

this is the content I like. Very well said. You earned yourself a sub

[@GamePointGP1]

Thank you very much! 🙏🏿 I really appreciate that. ✊🏿💯

[@jackhazz5777]

Kobe was hated by the media back then because he does not conform to what they want him to be. He could've easily won 3 times. When Nash won 2x, I thought Kobe should've won one of them.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

He didn’t deserve either of those years

[@jackhazz5777]

@@jasonmoukala8909 I guess you prefer a Nash backed up by a loaded Suns that got pushed to the limit by Kobe with Smush Parker. Well, everyone has their own preference.

[@Cheif_Espada]

Once Nash got 2 and LBJ stuck at 4, I realized that’s not a metric to judge players

[@christopherd.3291]

@@Cheif_Espada Lebron deserved all his MVPs. And if you want to use media bias, just remember those same voters vote All Defense as well and it only accounts for the regular season..

[@thes.g.b.experience5015]

Those 2 rings past his prime is sweeter than mvps.. regular season is good but the Finals makes you immortal..mamba out

[@angelofdeath8933]

Kobe should of had 3 MVPs at the most..

[@jasleensandhu2791]

It always haunts me that he should've got more MVPs in my view he deserves 5 at least, guy was a killer, miss you brother

[@GamePointGP1]

Five?? That's a lot. What years should he have won all 5?

[@stephenwilliams7200]

​@@GamePointGP1he can't give you that answer he's just a fan boy!😅😅😅

[@jasleensandhu2791]

@@stephenwilliams7200 fan boy?? You know me bruh ?? Hiw can u make a statement on me ??? I mean dont get me wrong, im very respectfull person and i dont say anything to anyone without knowing them,

[@t-god2439]

@@jasleensandhu2791which 5 seasons did he deserve mvp? Id say 2 maybe 3

[@jasleensandhu2791]

@@t-god2439 there was lots of kobe hatters in that era, because nba commissioner and coaches and many other important figures were so close to jordan and they had made jordan the best player in past and future and locked and threw the key, so even if any other player would have reached more rings or mvp or whatever but majority will have hard time admiring that, now if u look at more rings and judge the player by it then bill Russell is top, if more points then kareem, if more dominant then wilt and shaq, if more three poiners then curry, and if more killer instinct and more hard work more hours in the gym more years with the same team then only one name and that's kobe, ask that to any player in the league so those are my reasons he deserves mote MVPS

[@MrEliasdl]

09 and 10 that went to LeBron should have been Kobe's MVPs. Those were the Back to Back and Redeem Team chips. Also one of Nash's back to back MVPs. That should be Kobe 4 LeBron 2 and Nash 1

[@GamePointGP1]

😬😬 I don't think I could give 2010 Lebron's MVP to Kobe. 2009 is debatable and even then I would say it still favors Lebron. What Bron was doing with that Cleveland team was unbelievable.

[@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348]

Kobe stans are delusional

[@bojanpejovic7691]

Both of Brons years he averaged more in every statistical category, shot better than kobe, and had better records. How the fuck could they ever be Kobes?

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Not even close. Bron deserved those

[@that1johnson]

without a doubt the Dark Knight

[@samgohpastarem5117]

Great video man

[@GamePointGP1]

Thank you very much! That means a lot to me. 💯

[@your_royal_highness]

I agree Kobe should have gotten more MVP’s but the guy who was really shortchanged on that score was MJ. He should have had AT LEAST 2-3 more than he did get.

[@papadoc331]

No. Maybe 1997 not the other years. Mj didnt carry his team from likr 1990

[@your_royal_highness]

@@papadoc331 it’s not a matter of “carrying” a team. It’s a matter of how well that team would have likely performed without him. There were years BEFORE 1990 (besides the times he won then) where it could be argued he deserved it. But, for the most part it’s purely subjective

[@papadoc331]

@@your_royal_highness i think the only mvp he didnt get but shoulf have is 1997. The other ones had to carry a far larger load and still win

[@your_royal_highness]

@@papadoc331 Like I said, it’s subjective

[@dlogan7808]

This video is about kobe lol. At least mj did get 5. But 1??? We all know that's bull

[@alanjones4683]

I understand the "robbery," (performance great, with average winnings which affected 'criteria' fit) as many awardings for many stars were 'mis-assigned' per criteria thus falling short...and why the need for 'hardship history' (criteria addition boost) [Note referencing my previous comment: 'Too much Mike,' was referring to the Jordan 'mystique' fans were imprinted with, making it tough for Kobe to be free of subliminal comparison.] Kobe, and I loved his 'fluid' game, he ran into 'expectation' (the fan's neural conditioning due to Jordan in the guard spot...they awarded MVP to 'others,' in Jordan's 'MVP snub' case also). Mimicking play style of Jordan (yes Mike shared knowledge, techniques with Kobe, others got mad as he turned them down) was possibly perceived by most fans as NOT surpassing Jordan...as his UNC knowledge base made Jordan "gel" through and through, very smart, efficient in movements and execution precision. Jordan = Winner, and reason several 'greats' could not obtain rings, Kobe WAS very close though, defensively too. Why skill AND perception plays into it: Like many, I am familiar with public reactions and percetions, AND great ball. BUT, I saw Jordan's idols (Dr. J. etc.) play live in Greensboro, NC in the ABA in 70's, grew up with "UNC, Two rings 'Showtime' Laker great Bob McAdoo, NBA MVP, 3× Scoring Champ" (and went to UNC 'with' Jordan, saw his NCAA 'performance'). Jordan was robbed in 97 by Malone (but Jordan already had 4 MVPs and "bored fans wanted a change"), and Jordan also should have MVP for 90 and 93! [ SEE the video link, many bad MVP's,] 👉Kobe wasn't only one shafted.💯] kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4uopWRtjdmrftU ...and Kobe SHOULD be more discussed whenever Jordan - LeBron 🐐 talk spews!

[@mrpsycholeojoey87]

I am glad I'm the only thought Jordan was robbed of MVP in 1997. Don't get me wrong Malone was a very good player, but Jordan led his team to another near 70 game winning season. I don't know why the NBA didn't give Jordan the MVP in 1997. I think the case could be made that he should have wom MVP in 1993, but lost to Barkley, another good player, but Jordan was on another caliber in 1993. God Bless.

[@cuhmunitycarr140]

This video sold me, earned a sub off this one my G!

[@PygmaApril]

One thing is for sure, he barely deserved the one he got in 2008.

[@kingofkingz235]

Yeah he definitely deserves more MVP but we all know why he doesn't have more because of that accusation.

[@rickydamiron8762]

Should’ve won at least 3 MVP’s.

[@GamePointGP1]

I can't say he should have won 3 MVP's given the criteria. But if the award was charged to "best player in the league award" then yes, Kobe would have at least 3. 💯

[@rebelwitacause536]

Yessir

[@ethancbaker2002]

Should of won two not three

[@robbereal1982]

@@ethancbaker2002 no 5. 03 06 07 08 09

[@ethancbaker2002]

@@robbereal1982 Kobe wasn’t better than Duncan and Lebron

[@zigghiggs]

For sure should’ve won at least one more mvp

[@drewmeyer9679]

It’s MVP award but they take into consideration team success. If you put Kobe’s prime stats against MVPs Kobe for sure deserves more than 1. Kobe literally dragged LA in 06 to the 7th seed

[@bigraychills8295]

Ai said it best what they forgot 💯

[@GamePointGP1]

💯

[@odsickson1]

Shaq only has 1 M.V.P also, and for most of there time together Shaq was better but I could easily say they both should have more.

[@teteo.2408]

Shaw was never better than Kobe on the lakers. Shaw was better under the basket and that was it. No jumper, no free throws and no 3 point shooter. In fact Shaw was sometimes a liability due to “hack a Shaq”

[@teteo.2408]

Shaq**

[@GamePointGP1]

Shaq was clearly better up until about 2002. In 02 they were a 1A 1B and by 2003 Kobe was the better player.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@teteo.2408 stop

[@letthenukesfly2311]

If it were up the the fans, players and coaches to vote Kobe be at least a 5 time MVP! He was hated by espn and media. FACTS!

[@bwp2bruce]

One MVP probably had something to do with Colorado

[@BishopM1]

He should’ve won it in ‘09

[@GamePointGP1]

There's a case to be made that he could have won it in 2009, but maaaaan Lebron was unstoppable that season. It's tough to say he didn't deserve it.

[@fwank2023]

Top seed in the very tough western conf

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Not at all

[@BishopM1]

@@GamePointGP1 he had just as good stats but more wins in a tougher conference and more win share

[@boston_jorge]

Kobe was the players MVP, the players knew who was the “Jordan” of the league

[@GamePointGP1]

Absolutely. 💯

[@Hoopr32]

2006 was a robbery. Don't give me that 7th seed bs. That team doesn't win 10 games without him.

[@jacoblee5796]

So MVP should be awarded to a guy on the 7th or 8th seed every year? This argument is asinine, every year there is some great player that scores a lot of points and drags a bad team to the playoffs. It's telling that the bar as to be set so low for Kobe.

[@Westlyn80]

Kobe, was TOP GUNS MAVERICK. THE MOST SKILLED BUT LESS RESPECTED. # TOP 5

[@koimatai4600]

He was robbed multiple times SMH

[@GamePointGP1]

While it makes sense a player like him would have won more, given the criteria I can't say he was robbed.

[@d.michael372]

You know what this is about. The medias pure disdain for Kobe. Plus the MJ fans who are in the media hate him for pattering his game after his airiness. AI know where Kobe belongs!

[@yourwallet409]

Kobe’s a Goat 💯💜💛

[@GamePointGP1]

No doubt. One of the best to ever do it. 💯

[@billyclutch]

Kobe, career-wise, fell into a perfect storm of situations that made NBA fans take him for granted.

[@olajawanmagee768]

Kobe played in an era when there was some ballers with that being said he probably should have one more. You could say the same for shaq also

[@peaceonearth9794]

Kobe deserved it in 2010.. but they snubbed him because they felt he had a great team which he did but he had a hand in putting that team together and wheeling them to the championship

[@willanjosefflee3777]

His lone mvp could have gone to cp3.. it was arguable

[@thereasonwhy5188]

Not really a fan but he deserved more.

[@GamePointGP1]

I can respect that. 💯

[@kirbycampbell6283]

he should have at least 2 or 3 mvps like if you agree with me

[@Cheif_Espada]

MVP FORMULA: #1 Media decides current criteria, no exceptions #2 No one will ever get voted the equivalent of Jordan. His legacy must be protected at all costs

[@theetruth8626]

Stop lying Jordan made 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop while Kobe was missing playoffs and 1st round exits when Shaq left remember Kobe had to get the 3 headed monsters Gasol Bynum and Odom before he could even win anything

[@det4ever94]

Kobe was the best player in the league from 2002-2010. 06 Kobe was a beast

[@theetruth8626]

Stop lying Shaq was the best player since Jordan left in 98 to 04 then it was Tim Duncan

[@marcuscastillo514]

@@theetruth8626 Tim had two MVPs during your shaq time. Lakers 3 peat because of the dynamic duo. Shaq was dominate but Tim hung right in there in all aspects. Awards, all stars and 3-2 finals difference by 2004. Just saying

[@paintballJohn2]

its crazy because former and current players talk about kobe like he is a top 3 goat but the media and fans (for the most part dont. in my eyes he was the most dominant wing I have ever seen. born in 95 btw so i saw Wizards MJ

[@ministerbrandonkimble5402]

that DOES make him the most VALUABLE player..........cuz(@that time)..........WITHOUT HIM..........

[@strykrpinoy]

Do people really need to debate this? Post Colorado incident, the Media HATED Kobe for years till they won the Gold Medal (the redeem team). That's when they fell in love with him again. Kobe was robbed of at least 2 MVP in that span.

[@cameronj9890]

2001, 2006 and 2013 he deserves the MVP. He should have four total. You can take away the 2013, I’ll give you that, but the other years, I really think he was the MVP.

[@Heie_]

2003

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Definitely not 01 06 or 13

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@Heie_ no way

[@bigbenji__]

Kobe definitely should have got it 09-10 season that season was so underrated and he hit like 7 game winners that season and won a championship getting his revenge on Boston

[@jasonmoukala8909]

He didn’t deserve it that year

[@bigbenji__]

@@jasonmoukala8909 Lebron didn’t either

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@bigbenji__ never said he did

[@bigbenji__]

@@jasonmoukala8909 he won it that year that’s what I’m referring to

[@bdr113080]

I agree with AI. I think it’s really disrespectful every time ESPN has one of these debates about “who is the goat Michael Jordan or LeBron James?” I understand LeBron is going to retire with probably the best stats ever but like Jalen Rose said, stats aren’t everything. And I’m not a LeBron James hater at all I think he gets way too much heat but LeBron is having great stats this year while he’s losing. This is the worst year for a LeBron James team ever but he’s still putting up great numbers but those stats don’t really matter at the end of the day if you’re losing. I think LeBron James is great but the people that argue that he’s the goat are clinging to stats and only stats. And I’m sorry the whole “he went to the NBA finals nine times in a row” doesn’t really hold up to real basketball fans and players or coaches when if you go to the finals nine times in a row and during those nine trips to the finals you only walked away with three championships, it doesn’t really matter how his stats were in those nine times. Look I’m not saying stats don’t matter because all the greats have amazing stats but it was never the end-all be-all in the goat discussion and tell people had to change the argument to fit LeBron James in if you have to change the argument to fit your guy then he’s not the goat. I thought everyone at ESPN had really lost their minds from 2008 to 2010 because they kept saying every year it was going to be the Lakers versus the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron was going to beat the Lakers. Kobe made it to the finals every one of those years and walked away with two championships and LeBron couldn’t even make it to the dance and that made those Nike puppet commercials with LeBron James and Kobe Bryant look really silly that anyone was even having the argument oh and by the way the two teams LeBron James couldn’t get through which made him finally leave Cleveland and go start an All-Star team in Miami, Boston in Orlando, those were the two teams Kobe Bryant beat for his last two championships. If you would’ve told Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson that in 2022 winning multiple titles wasn’t what made you a goat but your stats they could’ve easily stuffed their stats in regular season games that didn’t matter. The reason that people that don’t have a bias to make the argument and have an agenda for LeBron James as the goat never put stats above championships was because everyone knew winning multiple championships was much harder than stats. So all that being said I absolutely believe that Kobe Bryant should have had more than one NBA Reagan VP. The way the MVP is decided really isn’t who the best player in the league is unfortunately, it’s who’s the best player in the lead on a team that has a certain amount of wins over 500. And during Kobe‘s prime unfortunately even though he was the greatest player in the league the Lakers weren’t a good team. It was Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom and they really didn’t start getting good until 2006 and that 2006 and 2007 season I think hands-down Kobe should’ve gotten the MVP. I personally believe that Kobe should’ve won the MVP award from 2007 through 2010 every year. He should’ve had four league in VPs but because the NBA really wanted LeBron James as the face of the league, and the minute he went to Miami they stopped giving him that kind of love but I really do think that’s why Kobe was robbed of three league in VPs was because they were trying to get people to forget about Kobe. Michael Jordan is the goat and I would never say that Kobe or LeBron is better than him it amazes me that 98% of the people that watched all three of these players play give it to Michael Jordan but it’s everyone who never saw Michael play and didn’t really start watching the NBA until around 2011 don’t even care to go back and watch old Team of the NBA 20 years before. My generation has no problem giving props to Magic Johnson Larry Bird even though we were too young to really understand their greatness but we still give them props because they deserve it they were great, they are legends.

[@theetruth8626]

Well learn the difference it's called impact Kobe was missing playoffs and first round exits when Shaq left he didn't start winning nothing until the 3 headed monsters Gasol Bynum and Odom was on his team while LeBron had nothing and made the NBA finals off his back beating the same team that dam there swept Kobe and Shaq but Bron did it alone

[@OnlyDuckSauce]

I really think the MVP isn’t all that anymore. That’s just me.

[@GamePointGP1]

I can see where you're coming from. I think it is both underrated and overrated at the same time.

[@John-yp2ho]

been meaningless since russ won

[@GamePointGP1]

@@John-yp2ho I wouldn't say "meaningless" but I can see where the manner in which it is awarded has turned some people off.

[@americanfresh17]

@@John-yp2ho facts😂😂

[@alanjones4683]

Kobe was in the tops...but it's just "too much Mike23!" due to10 scoring titles, 2×3Peats (no 7th game), defense that shut down anyone and still score his points...all while endlessly dependable to play full season and NEVER LET UP! A great model for Kobe to "...follow but failed to surpass!"

[@GamePointGP1]

So you're saying that's why Kobe didn't win more MVP's?

[@alanjones4683]

@@GamePointGP1 A silent contributing factor...opened door to consider alternate outcome due to this and other criteria intensive considerations.

[@warrenmckeithen2245]

Mike was a deadly scorer, but Mike also 33 shots per game and crazy numbers like that to get all of those titles. Kobe was a more accomplished offense player than Mike with better total skills by far, hence 81 point game and all of that jazz,

[@Kommunik8Moor]

Alan Jones you are funny. Kobe was definitely robbed fuck the criteria my eyes seem the careers of both these men. To say Kobe wasn’t enough like Mike is a misleading non fact. He was the only Kobe and that is all he needed to be.

[@alanjones4683]

@@Kommunik8Moor Kobe was great (and "shorted" an earned MVP), fought current peer performance and "walked in the shadow" of the one who passed the torch (who was ALSO short changed on MVP's while sharing his secrets with Kobe). Mike set expectations, Kobe was "close," but the process was too big for Kobe to overcome. Out of his many years in the league, only one MVP (an admirable handful of scoring titles, like Steph, etc. as opposed to HANDS FULLS) reflects the fan's memory of "the highest level of consistency on both ends of floor by the most prolific scorer (life average reflects that), that Kobe fell short of - in other words - Kobe didn't create enough "stat distance" to remove reasons to deny him! Period! Mike did something about it...Kobe did not. (I feel 🎯Kobe earned another MVP for sure, but was refused "...for other personal or marketing reasons we will never know for sure!" They could do it only so many times for Mike before fan blowback! They both were hit!)

[@enargy5890]

I blame this on media and Kobe himself. First of all, media was not the same when Kobe playing, if his prime was around 2010-2020 era, he would've been celebrated more with IG/FB/Twitter, imagine fans calling Ben Simmons scoring 25 points a "beast" while Kobe easily did it on a almost a nightly basis. Two, during Kobe's time, he played to a high standard that a 20 point game is already a bad night for him. While Jokic got 2 MVPs without winning rings.

[@GamePointGP1]

I see what you're saying. Just remember the MVP is a regular season award, winning or not winning a ring is not a factor.

[@enargy5890]

@@GamePointGP1 I agree. My only point is they would not even make it to the finals, not to mention in the top 1 seed 2008-2010 if he was not doing MVP numbers during the season. Jokic and Nuggets were only the 3 seed when he won back to back MVPs.

[@pastorsavage808]

Good debate!

[@GamePointGP1]

🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@diegobromfield]

AI put it perfectly. "They forgot or something?"

[@GamePointGP1]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@drogerflav6350]

Media chose kobe to the villain and god was he amazing

[@GamePointGP1]

One of the 3 best peaks in NBA history as a talent.

[@yrnxkj7607]

Kobe played in the best BB decade imo. I think he still only deserves 1 mvp and that was for 06. CP3 should’ve been 08 MVP imo.

[@hellraisinpbnjscat9710]

People forget Kobe played with shaq which helped him win rings. But the down side to that is you miss out on individual accolades.

[@dustinpictou1927]

As a I was in high school in his real glory days he deserved at least 3 mvps definetly take one from nash

[@smiffenwesson2281]

And Duncan and nowitzki

[@dlogan7808]

Facts

[@deepwaterrehab7685]

He wasn’t winning enough games to take one from Nash. Especially in 05.

[@smiffenwesson2281]

@@deepwaterrehab7685 Yes he should have because the way they give the MVP award out now guys with not top records get it as long as their stats are good.. Nicola jokic

[@deepwaterrehab7685]

@@smiffenwesson2281 Jokic rewrote the record books last year on PER. That’s why he got it.

[@earvinmanansala5213]

People forget he was all Defensive as well. he did it on both ends. If you're putting Luka as your candidate this year, then you better believe Kobe deserved more MVP's.

[@theetruth8626]

Naw bruh the difference was impact Kobe was missing playoffs and first round exits when Shaq left Luka made a conference finals with no franchise players on his rosters total difference

[@earvinmanansala5213]

@@theetruth8626 MVP is a regular season award. what happens in the playoffs are irrelevant.

[@theetruth8626]

@@earvinmanansala5213 and the regular season there's a thing called teams record right or wrong? Last I checked the MVP race is based off who's the most impactful player for their team with a winning record correct so how many MVPs do Tim Duncan supposed to have then should be the question ❓

[@earvinmanansala5213]

@@theetruth8626 I’m specifically talking about those that want Luka to win this year so early when they have a negative record.

[@marcuscastillo514]

But you can’t compare what happens in today’s NBA to 2000’s. It’s basically entirely new generation with only Lebron and Chris Paul as that last bit of 2000s stars. Just because Jokic has won two MVPs in this time doesn’t mean we have to think Kobe should have more than a player like Jokic. He got 1 in his career and that’s enough.

[@midnightlumina7]

Biggest reason why : The Rape Allegations. that stopped people in the media from supporting Kobe openly.

[@ericdupree8603]

Yet was still getting All NBA/Defensive team selections, yet can’t tell me the objective year he deserved a 2nd MVP

[@je6698]

Kobe in 06 not getting the MVP was a robbery.

[@GamePointGP1]

True. He absolutely had a case to win it.

[@ruffgook]

he deserved more but lets be honest. mvp awards don't really matter when it comes to measuring one's greatness. mvp is almost always awarded to one of the best players in the league with the best story, which makes perfect sense as they are voted by the media. To be fair to the media, i think they did decent job, if you look back at all the players that won, most mvps are acceptable. the only issue i have is steve nash winning back to back. Kobe was on a rampage shredding everyone 05-06 season when he was averaging 35.4pts per game.

[@venikody]

From india. My all time team of 12. 1.duncan 2. Jordan 3. Kobe. 4.hakeem. 5.shaq 6.kareem 7. Bird 8. Dr.j . Wilt, Russel, curry, LeBron. The last 4 are on the bench only.. my glorious 12...

[@GamePointGP1]

I'm not mad at the names. Shaq, Bird and Dr. J > Lebron, Wilt and Curry though? 🤔

[@enhancementtank5876]

11 nba first teams is terrific

[@StephenMcBeth28]

Imma big fan of great pgs but there was never a season where Steve nash played better than Kobe

[@GamePointGP1]

I agree. The point was not that Nash was better than Kobe but rather that Nash fit the criteria to win the award more than Kobe did.

[@Bungalow339]

Shout out to AI he knew wassup

[@melgoat]

This is why mvps are on the lower part of goat debates for me. I based it off what players actually can control Championship, Stats. Mvps are just a way the media feels important to basketball and to narrative and 98% of the media never touched a nba floor

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Can they really control championships tho

[@Therealstizz]

@@jasonmoukala8909 yes

[@hardwoodthought1213]

The skill thing again means nothing. Marc Gasol is better than Shaq in the high post and the mid post, he’s a better 3 point shooter, FT shooter and mid range shooter, he is a better ball handler, a better playmaker/passer, a better on ball defender, help defender and ball denier, and better at the pick and roll, both as a screener/defender Now tell me which player is better? Skillset doesn’t equate to impact

[@det4ever94]

That let you know that it's a lot of politic in the MVP voting. After that case Kobe had to deal with in 2004, the league didn't want Kobe as the face of the NBA. But Kob didn't give a F##K, that why the Mamba came out!!! Rip

[@Jacob_Spang]

rip mamba

[@AridGems]

The NBA MVP award was a popularity contest. The media hated the Mamba back in the day for what ever reason. Kob should have won at least 2 Mvps.

[@theetruth8626]

If it was a popularity contest Kobe was the most hyped so you wrong on that

[@AridGems]

@@theetruth8626 Kobe was the most hyped?? What in the hell are you talking about?

[@theetruth8626]

@@AridGems u slow or something he wasn't the best player he was the most hyped player the player who had the most fans the player who had the most popularity what u can't understand not the player with the most impact that was Shaq then it was Duncan not Kobe common sense seems to be a problem in today's world because everyone wants their favorite to be in the same category as others this that same b.s that's still today with Bron and Giannis or KD and Giannis it's clear Giannis been the best player in the NBA for 5 years but since he ain't as popular or as exciting as the popular guy y'all hate regularly on the dominant players

[@AridGems]

@@theetruth8626 you're a long winded moron that just started watching basketball yesterday. I only debate with my equals others I teach. Have several seats. I lived through the Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron era. You still wet behind your dirty little ears. Stfu

[@theetruth8626]

@@AridGems look clown I been watching basketball since the early 80s and people like you is the delusional fans that always want the ticket sellers to be placed as great as the dominant players the game has always been about impact and the answer is what was Kobe impact so all this crying b.s you on don't erase facts clown Kobe is walking first round exit and that's it he doesn't have the impact of Shaq or Duncan so stop with the lies Kobe success will always be based off how much more talent do he have on his roster than others Kobe didn't win into he got 3 big men

[@ojiparker4135]

As great n skillful as Mamba was,he didn't deserve more MVP awards than LeBron,Michael nor Kareem....he was truly outstanding but he really was snubbed outside '08,even tho I believe CP3 deserved it that year.....in 2003,2006 2007 and 2009 would be considered his best chances of winning the MVP.....crazy to see he only has one .....atleast deserved 2-3x mvps

[@FlexSZN23]

MVP is a media award 😴

[@Therealstizz]

Period

[@mrmvprobas]

love the dark knight music at the end

[@GamePointGP1]

Thank you! 😁 I really thought it added to the moment.

[@StizzJOHNSON-ly8he]

Never know anything of mi amigo hermano kobe bryant ...stealing de Kobe

[@CB-ry4fj]

That's when he became the black mamba he felt he deserves that MVP over Steve Nash both had good stats but I felt like Kobe had the edge and everytime he seen Phoenix he made sure Steve Nash pay for it

[@user-nn2kz6wf1n]

Kobi didn't deserve more the one m.v.p award. Because he actually had only 4 amazing years as a top team leader in LA between 2008- 2011. Between 96 - 04 he was in Shqile very big shadow. Between 2005- 2007 he was a mega star in very very awful team. Between 2012 - 2016 he was injured and didn't has any impact on the game.

[@ikedatike2533]

Yeah I think he should have won a bulk of his MVPs in '08 to 11 And I agree with the sentiment of he was on a very awful team in 2005 to 2007. He wasn't going to go anywhere with those squads

[@rebelwitacause536]

He should have had at least three he was cheated out because the media or teams that were in first place they should just give it to the best player hands down in the league no matter what seed that their team was in

[@jamesgamero7733]

They didn't like Kobe he wasn't a puppet he's my GOAT RIP King Kobe MAMBA BEAN BRYANT 🙏

[@MukkaDotCom]

He should of won the year he averaged 35ppg

[@GamePointGP1]

That was an amazing year.

[@goldenokoko3211]

He stayed loyal to the franchise he should’ve left to a better ball club and had at least 3 mvps but he stayed thru the thick and thin with the lakers organization

[@themilkman4448]

Hell its crazy shaq got only got 1

[@ethancbaker2002]

Kobe deserved two MVPs but what’s funny is the mvp that he did get he didn’t deserve it as Chris Paul should of won mvp when he Kobe won

[@GamePointGP1]

You know....strangely enough I didn't know that this was a popular opinion until I made this video. In 08 I thought it was Kobe's MVP to win but apparently a lot of people believe it was CP3's to win.

[@ethancbaker2002]

@@GamePointGP1 but like I said kobe should of won two mvps. Steve Nash did not deserve to win two mvps

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@ethancbaker2002 Nash definitely deserve those

[@ethancbaker2002]

@@jasonmoukala8909 no he did not have you even seen his stats compared to Kobe’s? Lol

[@NuradinAlas]

Should’ve won 2004 MVP over Nash averaged 35 PPG lead lakers team with Kwame Brown Smush Parker and Chris Mimm as 7th seed to the playoffs