Did Kyle Dubas just get FLEECED?

[@EckHockey]

Sorry for the late upload on this one guys.

[@vgk4157]

its ok

[@joshuamiller9793]

As a Rangers fan, how do you feel about this?

[@redshyguynumber5567]

Does anyone else hear Eck read off the trade twice?

[@johntuttle9012]

Dubas was a joke in Toronto and he is still a joke in Pittsburgh

[@FrozenMilkOnACloudyDay]

All Good, thanks for the info, love your channel

[@reignofrock]

Of course he went for Bunting. Dubas can't not trade for former Leafs/Marlies.

[@greydeplume]

Dubas ain't the Boy Wonder GM ... Penguins going to languish in go nowhere mode with Dubas at the helm

[@bogeybichon7000]

....or Soo Greyhounds

[@johnl2613]

Damn leafs didn't make him take Murray back? LoL

[@draneym2003]

​@user-rk8gx6tf7t Just say you think he's a nerd and you know better. Quicker.

[@hamonthecob]

Every GM does this. Rutherford has done this in Vancouver and did it in Pittsburgh as well. Ray Shero did it in Jersey. People assess talent and then never forget it. It's not a bad trait.

[@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000]

I thought this at first too. We don't even get a guaranteed first rounder for an all star winger. But, Guentzel is a pure rental player whose contract ends after this season. He was also recently injured. Therefore, the Pens can't just get the top players from Carolina because to Carolina, they aren't worth it for a guy who might play 20 games for them this season. I looked up the prospects too and they're actually decent prospects, with one of them getting some NHL time this season with Carolina (albeit only 2 games). Dubas did what he could. It was either this or the Pens give up Guentzel to unrestricted free agency for nothing. This trade is better than nothing.

[@collegestudent1899]

Exactly what I've been trying to explain to people on Twitter, but Twitter is a lost cause lol. It was good for both teams, but def better for CAR.

[@kylehart8829]

Ponomarev and Koivunen are both better than a first rounder would be expected to turn out. This trade is literally better than getting two first round picks, just for them. Bunting also isn't that big of a downgrade. The return for the pens is quite good compared to the zero they'd get when he just signs for a contender over the summer. This trade is a win-win, worst case scenario it's even.

[@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000]

@@collegestudent1899 in terms of the short term, absolutely. I think they have a high chance of capturing the cup this year. They really went all in at the deadline. Then again, I thought this for the Rangers last season and they got embarrassed by the Devils. So idk.

[@kylehart8829]

​@@CoolGorillaGoAnimate7000Even as a canes fan I was mad at the way the rangers were playing in that game 7. That was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen and it almost even made me feel bad for rangers fans.

[@thatsright4194]

It's almost a guarantee guentzel walks from Carolina after this year as well. They have a huge salary cap problem this off-season.

[@matimanXDD]

Wow 2 Buntings, 6 prospects and some picks

[@lesschoenberger3070]

LOL!!

[@justinp1084]

Never understood why Pittsburg wanted Dubas so bad. Hes a terrible GM

[@steve8803]

@justinp1084 It's not Dubas fault that Jake wasn't interested in a contract extension with Pit. Rentals do not have a lot of value.

[@Mayor_Of_Eureka17]

I'm completely baffled by people's love for the guy too...things don't add up

[@steve8803]

@@Mayor_Of_Eureka17 In this case, what should Dubas have done? Jake was not interested in extending his contract with a team that is going into full-on rebuild mode sooner than later. And being a rental neuters a players value. Obviously, Jake wasn't interested in a sign and trade to increase the return for Pit. So, the choice was, to keep him and let him go for nothing. Or, shop him and get the best return you can. Dubas did the latter. You think losing him for nothing is better?

[@TimAndyMik]

Pittsburgh

[@Southboundpachyderm]

Youre right. You dont understand why pittsburg wants dubas. You're speculating and passing judgement on it.

[@jfkst1]

Seravelli explicitly said Guentzel's refusal to negotiate an extension with any team hurt his return package. The deadline was a buyers market and Guentzel's return was still a lot better than Toffoli's.

[@jfkst1]

@@oscargoldman4867 Not that big of a difference based on the return though.

[@hehehehaworgrrr1513]

Thank Ron Hextall for this situation

[@vio-noob_6737]

It’s impressive Hextall ruined both Pennsylvania organizations

[@severed111]

TBF, PIT missed the playoffs by one damn point last year and the year before, they were on their way to get rid of NYR but you can only get so lucky with a third goalie (Domingue) with Jarry injured and DeSmith injuring himself a minute into the first game or so. They can still make the playoffs, don't think they will, but I've seen crazier things happen with much weaker teams than the Pens. Losing Rust and Guentzel to injury was at the worst time possible, they were having a great bump up that got em close to NYI, Caps and Jersey, I'd expect em to finish in front of 2 of those teams, Caps gave away talent (Mantha) for picks and change. So far this season has been much less heartbreaking than last year when winning their 82nd game assured playoffs, they lead the game but ended up losing, I don't think I'll ever feel that angry about one single regular season game ever.

[@steve8803]

@hehehehaworgrrr1513 Why? Jake obviously didn't want to sign an extension with a team who is going to have to start a full-on rebuild sooner than later. Pit had their elite team for years, aging happens. Same thing with the Hawks and soon to be the same with TB.

[@joegattog6695]

@@severed111when you lose to Chicago and Columbus in a convincing fashion while both were a win and you’re in, you probably aren’t a good team anymore. Years of having little to no picks, aging, and not having a reliable goalie have done the pens in. Even if they made it the expectation isn’t much more than a bubble team that loses in round 1

[@joegattog6695]

@@vio-noob_6737Philadelphia will make a statue of Hextall just for his role in destroying the pens as their GM

[@xidis8022]

Dubass

[@russell-di8js]

dubious? when he moves his lips, thats when you shouldn't trust him & at other times just keep an eye on him!

[@RyanZimmerman1206]

Pono is a great prospect he played really well in the 2 games he played for us this season. He's the only one I'm a little upset to lose but it's worth it for Guentzel.

[@dominicpenner5084]

As someone who has followed Liiga quite actively this year, Koivunen has taken a huge leap in his development. 55 points in 57 games in a league where there tends to be less scoring than other leagues (for reference, the player with the most points in Liiga currently has 62 points in 59 games). Not to mention his defensive play has also improved, he has gained size and strength, and his shooting has significantly improved since last year. Would I say that he was the best prospect of Canes? Absolutely not. Top 5? Definitely. In Penguins' system he absolutely is the top 3 prospect, which doesn't say much since their prospect pool is sub-par at best. However, I think Koivunen will be a top 6 forward in the future.

[@Brandon4916]

Idk why Dubas is so fixated on trying to win with the same players

[@crazysoundman]

he isnt, there isnt much he can do morons. like seriously its almost like NONE of you understand the situation hextall put this team in.

[@apprenticephil649]

Because they are all under contract. What would you do?

[@Brandon4916]

@@apprenticephil649 what are you even talking about? The subject is him trading for bunting, who Dubas managed already?

[@demarcdegasol]

Its more of a salary matching thing than anything

[@xTymezz]

Trusts them

[@hhoyt3501]

IMO the NHL should get rid of such restrictions with trades. It's one thing to have a condition for if they reach the playoffs, or if that player can return from injury and play a set amount of games, but now we're getting into the number of rounds? It's turning into betting lines. What's next, over/under on how many goals the guy has to score?

[@jaredkiser6578]

This is just business. They negotiated that way and that's how it goes. Businesses can negotiate terms and conditions just like the GMs can and you will be surprised how convoluted they get.

[@landanthompson7056]

The Pens traded Nylander and a draft pick for Bemstrom a few weeks back. If Bemstrom scores 6 goals the pick becomes a higher pick. I think Nylander is closer to 6 goals with the new team. Maybe it should have gone the other way around

[@atpyro7920]

it does make sense i.e. team X trades Y player for a conditional second round pick from team Z, if team Z makes the second round with player Y, they'll have considered his value to have increased, and the pick becomes a first round pick instead of a second round. The idea is that as the player proves he was worth the cost to get him, the conditional pick is worth more in exchange.

[@joegattog6695]

The betting on goals already exist lol. Nils Lundqvist was traded from New York to Dallas and has a condition where if he has 55 points over a two year period Dallas gives up a first.

[@pirtatejoe]

For all the haters... I think this is a fantastic deal for the Pens. They wanted prospects who would be closer to ready than draft picks. With their aging forwards and lack of scoring depth, they are clearly focused on getting younger forwards. By most accounts, Morrow IS the Canes' best prospect, but he is also a defenseman. In fact, by some agencies, 4 of the Canes' top 10 prospects are D-men and 1 is a goalie. Dubas got 3 of the 5 prospects left on that list. If 2 of them play any time in the NHL it's a huge win. If 1 hits and becomes a regular top 6, it's a total steal. Bunting should be a serviceable middle 6 guy and has a reasonable cap hit for 2 more seasons so that is just a bonus. All of that for giving up 20 games with Guentzel. 20 games that were going to mean absolutely nothing to the franchise. I'm not sure what else you could reasonably expect.

[@rickbeith3336]

Dubas will certainly screw this up. Ask Toronto fans.

[@JH22533]

Pens got Bunts and Ponomarev. Both great players

[@BigSleepyJoeCooking]

No i think the pens made out well.

[@cannedpineapple2702]

Yeah all things considered. It's a better return than letting him walk for sure.

[@beneasler8868]

The focus was certainly more about NHL ready prospects than the picks. I don't know much about Carolina's prospect pool but we likely went for "lower ranked" prospects because they are currently performing in pro leagues or college and are more NHL ready than others

[@soccch]

I definitely don't know puck (as someone who only watches casually) but I didn't think this was a fleecing. For a one-year rental, this felt like somewhat of an overpay at first, not knowing the conditionals. My friend who does know its non-NHL leagues are super high on Lucius and Koivunen, so if they pan out, Pittsburgh might have a very strong platform to work off of in the future post-Crosby.

[@Red790]

Guentzel is a UFA and didn't seem interested to sign an extension in PIT, also coming off of an injury. The return seems pretty fair given that he could have walked this summer and they would have gotten nothing

[@HappyHalBallard]

Everybody keeps saying he was refusing to sign but when asked he (Jake) said Pens management hadn't even asked his agent to sit down for a chat, so somebody's on the BS train here. How can you be sure it's Jake and not Kyle? To me, Jake has a better track record integrity-wise.

[@mgraysonhay]

As a Leafs fan, I’m enjoying Kyle Dubas get exposed in Pittsburgh.

[@ShawnBesselman]

As a Pens fan I can see why Leafs fans hate Dubas. He is worse than Hextal. Sat on his hands the whole time. Didn't fire either Sullivan or Reirden. Didn't make a trade to make them better or spark the team. This clown is getting paid a lot of money to do nothing and make some terrible trades. Also, San Jose gets the 1st this year unless the Pens are top 10 in the draft. Which will probably is going to happen,

[@kylehart8829]

​@@ShawnBesselmanWhy would he make a trade now to make the team better? This is such a clueless attitude, Dubas was great for the leafs. He built a fantastic team and the players just didn't show up, that's not his problem it's a player attitude problem. And getting two prospects (Pony and Koivunen) who are each better than the expected value of a canes first round pick for a rental when you are out of the playoffs? Dubas did very well here, great return for a guy who would be leaving for zero.

[@kylehart8829]

Rewrite the trade to account for how good the prospects are and it's this: Bunting for two and a half years (50 point player at 4.5mil), two unconditional first round picks, a conditional first round pick, and an unknown quantity in Cruz Lucius. That's a damn good return for a team with zero leverage to get for a rental.

[@vio-noob_6737]

@@ShawnBesselmanit’s top 10 protected

[@braydenmurphy9840]

At first glance yes however my question is what can Guentzel do without Crosby.

[@damiendaniels-y3b]

lots. he has 50 points in 48 games without sid

[@braydenmurphy9840]

@@damiendaniels-y3b he’s been playing with Sid so not exactly I’m not saying he’s bad I’m just saying I wonder to see his performance outside of his current situation

[@chrisg7731]

As a Pens fan, I always felt like Guentzel was going to disappear. Wingers have a tendency to overachieve or hit their max potential on the Pens given all the talent and all of the guys to take the heat off of the second and third tier players. Wingers like Dupuis, Sheary, Hagelin, Kunitz all come to mind from the last handful of years. I had to like Guentzel because he kept producing, and Sid loved him, but he never really wowed me with anything other than his chemistry with Sid. He's not particularly fast, no physicality to his game, stuff like that. He's a smart player and a team player, which you've gotta love, but I guess we'll see how he does in Carolina.

[@deestrick5712]

Guentz will sign back in Pittsburgh is the rumor.

[@neeltheother2342]

If I learned anything from this trade deadline it's to listen to any fricken rumors. Unless it's from Elliotte Friedman, take nothing literally.

[@chrisg7731]

@@neeltheother2342 on one hand, if Guentzel loves playing in Pitt with 87 as much as he seems to, him helping the Pens get a pretty big return and then signing again with Pitt makes a lot of sense. But I'm not sure why anyone follows sports rumors. They serve no point other than getting you worked up one way or another. It's not like any of us can catch wind of a rumor and hit up management and be like "Yo, do NOT trade Guentzel, fam!" I'll find out what happens when I watch the games or someone texts me.

[@feral4112]

Bunting getting passed around like the village bicycle lol

[@CupContender]

Wtf u live in a village? Are u from india?

[@user-ji3il6ce2o]

@@CupContender No Somalia

[@CupContender]

@@user-ji3il6ce2o same thing they all dont take showers

[@SupplementalSense]

They shouldn't have gotten rid of Guentzel earlier, it should have been Malkin and Letang dumped 2 years ago so Guentzel could have been resigned.

[@justinstewart3248]

Malkin for sure. What a waste of ice time that guy is these days. It’s so sad because I love him.

[@circuitman37]

Dubas always gets fleeced. Why do you think he left Toronto/ He dumb-dealed himself into a corner and had no capital to get himself out.

[@davidjohnstone4975]

Dubas showing he has not learned anything from all the trade deadline mistakes he made in Toronto.

[@melanisticmandalorian]

His trades in Toronto were oked by Shanahan.

[@melanisticmandalorian]

His trades in Toronto were oked by Shanahan.

[@davidjohnstone4975]

@@melanisticmandalorian that doesn't make them any better.

[@Dr_Kubrick]

In short, yes he could’ve arguably gotten more value the thing I really don’t like is the condition of the 1st.

[@nadaduo1765]

Bunting is two thirds of Guentzel's production with half the cap hit plus Dubas could've got a 1st but he isn't bothered, he prioritized younger players that will be ready sooner & the difference between a low 1st & that 2nd is only about 20 spots Bunting will be flipped in a year for other good assets as well & Koivunen is a beast

[@chrisg7731]

If the goal is for the Pens to push for a cup in the near future, trading Sid as a rental next year for picks and prospects and having some prospects ready to go is the play. Sid re-signs with the Pens for 25-26 and a few years beyond, and you hope the prospects are ready to go sooner than later and the Pens core they made such a fuss about keeping together has enough in the tank to make one more run. But you're right. Prospects are probably more valuable than picks at this point. Picks may very well not be ready for one last cup push.

[@acaniac5587]

I honestly think its a good trade for both teams

[@todddavis5433]

Carolina didn't lose anything unless he doesn't sign and if he doesn't Ponomarev was the only loss

[@GI_Jimbo]

Ponomarev is a really solid prospect, he'll be a steady middle 6 center in a few years. As a Canes fan, while I think the trade was solid for us, I was sad to lose him.

[@hamonthecob]

Pens fan here. I think draft picks are relatively worthless outside maybe the top 3 in most cases, so I'm glad we didn't go all ga-ga for some playoff team's late first rounder. I'm actually happy we got a bona fide NHLer, 3 decent prospects, and a couple of lottery tickets for a guy who we could've potentially lost for nothing anyway. AND, though I don't have optimism about it or anything, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that we could go and make an offer to Jake in the offseason and re-sign him. If that were to happen, then I'd say we come out WAY on top on that deal. This is a business, and we can't keep everyone. I'm genuinely shocked the Pens didn't move more people. I thought for sure there would be teams wanting a few of our other guys. Especially Eller, who has been rock solid all season and is playing his best offensive hockey the last few weeks. He's a proven playoff competitor and a solid depth piece. You're telling me every single playoff team looked at Eller and said "Nah, center depth isn't that important"? Also surprised someone didn't make a run for either Rakell or Smith. Both have had down years, but Rakell is playing way better lately, and Smith has Cup experience. Also a little surprised we didn't have takers for Acciari (cheap depth C with some grit should make any playoff team better) or Ned (this year his play has been at a level that would slot him in as a 1B goalie on most teams... goalie depth has proven vital in cup runs for the last decade or more, and I'd probably say Ned is at least as good if not better than a couple starters heading to the playoffs this year). Alas, it is what it is. We're probably entering some dark days in Pittsburgh unless miracles start falling out of trees.

[@StevieGClub21]

Hey Pittsburg, Welcome to Toronto!

[@BeerLeagueGoalieGodfather]

Get used to it. Dubas gets fleeced on half the trades he makes. The other half aren’t so bad. But the overall isn’t great.

[@danielpetrucci8952]

Dubas Destroyed the Toronto Maple Leafs now he Destroyed the Pittsburgh Penguins

[@jmols]

Hextall destroyed the Penguins, not Dubas

[@shoresy4084]

Toronto is fk3d for the next 10-15 years minimum until the powder puff girls contracts expire (nylander marner and matthews)

[@kdub560]

@@jmolsDubas helped kill the pens big time.

[@jmols]

Delusional@@kdub560

[@RVC808]

Bro I think that you’ve literally became The Ray William Johnson of hockey 😊

[@typhoontodd]

Sid is outta there!!

[@mccabber24]

Dubas LOOOOOOOVES his guys!

[@petermills-c1h]

Since the Pens were not going to be able to bring Jake back, the return they got was pretty good. Far better than the nothing they would have received if there was no deal. For Carolina, it is a good move. They have very quietly put together a good season in the shadows and with one of the best coaches in the game are poised to make a run.

[@WatermelonCat941]

I think its somewhere in the middle tbh. We had to move an expiring UFA and our prospect pipeline is so barren that anything helps, if he had term left on his contract there would probably be a guaranteed first round pick involved but i think its a decent return

[@nukualofa6957]

The only argument I feel like I can say is we drafted him at 3rd round, like 4 second picks (Including the prospects, one or two could be third I havent done full research on the players, two look good (fingers crossed) and 2nd maybe 1st and whatever the other pick is lol, but definetly a hurt to the locker room, wish it was the other 5 mill players we couldve got ridden and got younger that way, but Idk how to feel kinda in the middle like yeah it has to happened at this point, but top 2 player ouch

[@MisterGreenw00d]

I know Jake is injured but I was expecting a better return for him

[@GoldCountryTrapping]

I hope dubas goes to the Rangers next.

[@tskeldin29123]

Nah he’s settling in nicely in Pittsburgh

[@Ducksflytogether13]

Me too 🤣🤣 or VGK

[@Buckshot99]

The Pens got a player and 3 prospects and 2 picks for a rental. That is not bad.

[@BarisAkan-g5u]

This trade sucks Only if Carolina comes to the final then this is worth

[@kylehart8829]

@@BarisAkan-g5uThat first is worth less than either of the two good prospects involved, I wouldn't get worked up over it.

[@Buckshot99]

@@BarisAkan-g5u what?

[@dominator9059]

Still crazy to me Yzerman got a first for Bertuzzi from Boston last year...granted he ended up giving it to Ottawa for Debrincat but thats a huge haul for that player last year, the market certainly changes.

[@Ando2k10]

Considering that everyone knew Jake wouldn't resign in Pittsburgh, because his team wanted $2M more than the Pens were able to offer, this was a pretty solid return. The prospects are 18, 19, and 21...all about point per game players, where they are currently playing...college hockey, Swedish Liiga, and AHL. They're expecting that we'll see Ponomarev playing in the 'burgh before the end of the season. On another note, after today's game, the Pens have the 8th worst record, in the league and , in their remaining 20 games, play 16 against teams above them in the standings...the Pens could have a top four draft lottery pick, and, with a little luck, a shot at Celebrini, or another franchise player...while Crosby's still playing really well.

[@trojans7]

LOL, A lot of these stipulations are crazy! If you win 3 rounds you get this, if you win the cup you get this,etc. WOW!

[@arrownet2368]

As a pens fans this makes me cry

[@hitmontree3736]

It seems that the Pens are banking on the Canes going all the way, which isn't a bad thing considering that Carolina's playing solid right now

[@forgottenfamily]

If it's 3rd round of the playoffs only, that means the pick is either 29-32 or 49-60 (assuming they are a lock for the playoffs but let's assume they're a lock) which sounds way different from "first round dropping to second round"

[@B1smarkk]

Depends what you expect from Pens in upcoming seasons. I think they are preparing for the tank, and in that case its pretty alright for them, especially if canes manage to do well in playoffs.

[@Veopoz]

Let's get the boy band back together Let's get Johny T next year

[@maniacchen]

Enjoy Dubas guys, greetings from Toronto whose team has been NHL laughing matter for decades. I only cheer for whoever plays better, except I can't cheer for the bad bears, can't stand them being consistently good for over a decade now, might just be jealous though...

[@Jraw72]

Finally. Something for Leaf fans to be happy about!

[@HockeySense914]

Kyle Dufus

[@YT0091]

It wasn't a fleece. They took the best offer that was on the table. Jake is a rental that they weren't going to be able to re-sign in the off season. They got some decent players in return, that's all Pens fans can ask for at this point. This is a sign, the rebuild is starting. The core 3 of Crosby, Malkin, and Letang will stay with the team until retirement. Everyone else is subject to movement.

[@bstar777777]

The hype for moving Guentz was absurd, so there was no way Dubas would ever meet those expectations. I don't love the return, but it's something. I would have personally gone more for quality over quantity, even if that mean sweetening the pot to get a blue chip prospect and a guaranteed first- maybe by adding Pettersson in a 3 team trade.

[@ghostie_21]

It’s kinda funny looking at the parallels between the Red Sox and Penguins. Getting rid of talent, getting bad returns etc. Same owner go figure.

[@sst6601]

Dubas did very well. Guentzel will be 50-60 points guy in any other club.

[@bab3242]

Wouldn't be the first time

[@jmols]

Noone in these comments know puck. Dubas was handed a horrible mess from Hextall's tenure. The return for Guentzel is definitely underwhelming, but for a rental it isnt bad. Just look at the Tyler Toffoli trade for example. Guentzel's agent did not allow teams to talk with him about any extensions in advance, so his value was capped at a rental to begin with. Overall I think Dubas has done an alright job with the hand he was dealt. He's had a few misses for sure. but the Karlsson trade was genius and getting 3 prospects that basically all fit into the Pens' top 10 of prospects already is good

[@doubledouble4g379]

Too soon to call it a fleecing with prospects and picks involved - it'll take 5 years to see what they turn into.

[@chrisg1556]

Dubas LLOOOVES his guys 😂

[@justinditzler4168]

Yes, yes he did.

[@GP8201]

Dubas proved in his public meltdown last year that he's unstable and unfit to manage a hockey team. Imagine this guy doing the key negotiations and trying to push his weight around to work deals when he cries about family in the public eye and whines about himself when it's supposed to be about the players and team, not him. This team is doomed.

[@carbb5760]

He’s going to get paid way more than he’s worth. The penguins know this, trade him for whatever assets you can and move on. This is a fine trade for both teams

[@thefiringpin3489]

Can you review the sabres oilers game? Sabres had to win twice. Overtime goal gets called back after everyone has gone to the dressing rooms

[@KEVMAN7987]

Considering Guentzel is just coming off of injury and is a rental with zero term on his contract left, his value wasn't as big as it could have been.

[@brandonhall9959]

I dont mind the trade to be fair, kyle used to draft and sign plenty of players that he could grow the value of. Honestly he remind me of a stock trader. Always trying for the galaxy brain move, which he pulled some good "under the radar" signings and draft picks with his tenure. Idk time will tell on this one.

[@peterwhitbread1129]

The canes got kuzy to right?

[@CantripCaniac]

Correct

[@ThatKINGdudeEditz]

AS A DEVILS FAN I CAN CONFIRM THE TITLE IS A W

[@05D05]

Pens got Royally fked by Carolina! Getting Dumbas as a GM was an awful move

[@dougiep2769]

Dubas messed up signing the four to that much dough that have underperformed every single year in the playoffs and will continue to. Toronto needs to trade some big names if it ever wants a chance to succeed

[@sensky3328]

hey eck could you make a vid explaining all this trading jargon? half the time i have no idea what it means

[@Nocternel]

A good place to understand hockey terms on youtube is The Hockey Guy

[@sensky3328]

ok thanks@@Nocternel

[@cheddarandsourcream]

It’s not terrible considering the whole league knew he was not staying in Pittsburgh that koivunen kid is having a fantastic year in the Finnish elite league

[@joshbraun7152]

Top 5 all time XD

[@jtnauss]

As a leafs fan one thing i can say is dubas is very good at evaluating young talent, so he must like those prospects

[@tbbchess]

sick

[@kylehart8829]

Ponomarev and Koivunen are both better than a first rounder would be expected to turn out. This trade is literally better than getting two first round picks, just for them. Bunting also isn't that big of a downgrade. The return for the pens is quite good compared to the zero they'd get when he just signs for a contender over the summer. This trade is a win-win, worst case scenario it's even.

[@kdub560]

No they are not, they are small and are not good skaters. All bottom six potential.

[@kylehart8829]

​@@kdub560A first rounder has a 35% chance to actually be an NHLer, these guys are clearly a lot better than that. If you think a random 30th overall is better than either of them you've got some serious brainrot going on. You're comparing them to late 1st rounders who actually turn out, which is not most of them; that 35% chance is the average as well, and Canes picks are gonna be late round for the next few years at least so think 25%. Why are you talking about peak potential when chances are a first rounder won't even play more than a handful of games in the NHL? Those two prospects are each better than a late 1st pick by a long shot. Good return for a guy who was gone at the end of an already dead season, Dubas did a great job getting a solid win-win trade done in that scenario. Go learn about how draft picks actually work before pretending you know what you're talking about.

[@kdub560]

@@kylehart8829 what percentage of second and fourth rounders actually make the NHL? Because that’s what the “prospects” the Pens got were. I been playing and watching hockey for 35 years, I’m no expert like you, but I know what top prospects look like, and these aren’t it, unless they improve their skating drastically, and bulk up, they will be minor league fillers.I hope I’m wrong, because I am a Pens fan, but this trade looks very bad on Dubas.

[@aqn1976]

To not get a guaranteed first-rounder for a nearly PPG centerman in his prime is NO DOUBT getting FLEECED!!!!

[@leelantern805]

He can and he will

[@talanlee223]

Sydney needs to get out of Pittsburgh

[@Ducksflytogether13]

But but but he is going to be UFA at the end of the year..... yeah and if he wins with the Canes his value will go up even more for a team that's already struggling to make Cap 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@memeguy885]

vasilli ponomarev is nothing to sneeze at really i feel its been glossed over too much

[@pearson8143]

Dubas has been an unmitigated disaster. Every move he has made from the guys he has resigned, to the free agent signings, to the trades, has absolutely blown up in his face. It's almost as if he is singlehandedly trying to ruin the Pittsburgh Penguins or at least set them back to flounder for about the next decade or so. Sad as a Pens fan to see this old dumpster fire of a team get skated off the ice every night.

[@toddedwards3391]

Kyle Stoogeous!!!

[@woxyroxme]

As a Penguins fan this was a dumpster fire of a season for me and losing Guentzel was a massive disappointment

[@severed111]

You're not even enjoying Sid's season? Jarry's 6 shutouts and goal? (I wish it gets back to being more consistent, 21-22 consistent before the injury too). I wish they had done something more and also get a rental to try to push to make the playoffs, still a possibility and not nearly an insane one, Habs did the same in 20-21 when getting Eric Staal and Perry, excellent rentals but they were still in a fight to make the playoffs, crazier things have happened, PIT could get in front of WSH, NYI and NJ easy if they get on a hot streak and NJ and WSH continue to go down the drain, the only real obstacle are the Islanders imo.

[@petra_kalbrain4426]

I feel bad for Guentzal. He got taken away from playing with one of the greatest players of our generation to get put in Carolina. Oof!

[@generalimlerith8356]

Honestly Carolina isn’t a team I’d thought would land guenztel so it shocked me lol

[@Brandon-go2ke]

Eck is the Steven a Smith of hockey except Smith has millions of dollars for his hot takes

[@craigharrison5406]

Fleeced??? I'm no Dubas fan but six assets including a current player for a rental is not fleeced

[@YOUTY209]

We didn't leave after 2 rounds last year 😅

[@AlwayzFresh]

Dubas is not a good GM, he proved that in Toronto. And don't anyone try to act like the current Leafs players have anything to do with Dubas. Anyone would have picked those players in that positions. He did nothing but surround them with soft small players.

[@dadou193]

How good is Guentzel? Havent been watching the pens at all.

[@jimmaurer8361]

He had more goals than Crosby before he got injured this year. He's small but fearless, very smart player and has a good accurate shot. Injury prone, maybe...

[@woxyroxme]

One of the best players on the team

[@cannedpineapple2702]

1:55 I'm sorry, ARGUABLY????? Name 5 players better than him. Off the top of my head I've only got 2. Not saying hes a lock for 3rd greatest all time but Sid is CERTAINLY a lock for top 5 all time.

[@twillhams9715]

No return was all that great this year.

[@americanvet10]

The Flyers got a 1st round pick in 2025 draft for Sean Walker who is a UFA at the end of the season.

[@jon8004]

Look at that trade again, honey.

[@americanvet10]

@@jon8004 “Honey?” How old are you, 10? Can’t have an adult conversation about hockey? Now tell me what I’m missing about that trade.

[@Hockeyboy111]

Yeah bro learn to read a trade bozo @americanvet10

[@stupidas9466]

@@americanvet10You're missing the rest of the trade. They also took on the $4 million cap hit from Ryan Johansen. Losing that contract has a huge value for Colorado.

[@americanvet10]

@@stupidas9466 That has nothing to do with getting a 1st round pick for a rental. The voice in the video said teams aren't getting top dollar back for rentals. A 1st in the 25' draft is a good return for a rental.

[@lynyrdskynyrd9742]

THE FOCUS of the 2024 trade deadline. Emphasis. And you get a lot of bodies. And a second round pick. And you don't get their top prospects... but a collection of little bitty bottom six prospects. Bunting... whatever... a 13 goal scorer!!! whoopee!!! On a team that has a core to include a guy that Dubas added (Carlson)... for another big salary... and the loss of the Penguins first round pick for said big contract... who did nothing to make the Pens better. So... this trade does nothing now and doesn't add the top prospect to play with Crosby that they needed.. This was a major rape of old Dubas... no wonder the Maple Leafs dumped him.

[@johannespitkamaki1369]

Who gives a fuck penguins are gonna be bottom feeder the next 6 years to come just like tampa bay and washington. They should just let letang and malkin walk and only leave sid as a mentor for new guys

[@gordonhuskin7337]

Letang and Malkin have been absolute dog shit since they won those back to back cups. Liabilities every time they are on the ice

[@omfg322]

Pens fans have to accept that the time to rebuild is now

[@gordonhuskin7337]

bruh the time to rebuild was 4-5 years ago

[@omfg322]

@gordonhuskin7337 more like 2 but yea