Did Minnesota Vikings screw up the comp pick formula?

Did Minnesota Vikings screw up the comp pick formula by signing Shaq Griffin; Does Kwesi Adofo-Mensah deserve criticism for his handling of the situation and the draft as a whole; Is Kwesi off the hot seat; And we snake the draft the best dates on the NFL calendar.
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[@mleaf5598]

It is disappointing that there is a knee jerk reaction here to hammer Kwesi over every decision that even lightly smells of failure, while his shining wins don’t get credit. Kwesi gets no credit for creating the organization that the entire league thinks is the best landing spot for a rookie QB (all about McConnell). Why are the Vikes the #1 NFLPA destination? Who is executing the UDFA strategy to our benefit? He hired a DC that we all credit with turning around the D, but somehow Kwesi gets no love for it. He navigated the Kirk situation perfectly. This is a strong organization that is making really good strategic decisions. First draft seems to suck but the big things go very well. I am not related to Kwesi….but a big fan of how he leads. Keep it up!

[@biglicker4473]

Went from loving him to crapping on him over comp picks 😂

[@cdou1301]

Thank you! When something goes well, it's usually KOC (apparently he drafted Addison if you ask the Sports Dad), when it goes bad it's always Kwesi. Please, just let the man do his damn job...

[@jaredpribyl]

Dude Kwesi has some OBVIOUS questionable decisions…it’s a Vikings podcast, Kwesi is the GM…are we not going to be honest about reporting and just gloss over everything?

[@cdou1301]

@@jaredpribyl , apply for the GM job next time it becomes available. Somehow you people on the outside think you know better than someone whose forte is analytics and the Vikings have a whole department and group of people dedicated to analytics. But no the pundits and the talk heads and fans definitely have better resources and knowledge than the dude who graduated from Princeton and Stanford.

[@jaredpribyl]

@@cdou1301 literally everybody that knows anything about football agrees with what I said…next. It’s not a debate that he has overpaid. He loses more value on trades than any Gm In the league. And if he really lost a third round pick simply for not paying attention, that’s obviously another mistake, that other GM’s aren’t making… It’s ok to admit mistakes or misteps. Some fans are so ridiculous and can’t handle honest criticism. I never said he should be fired or anything yet, but I’m not going to pretend certain things aren’t mistakes if they are lol

[@chrissmilich3530]

Kwesi didnt get Griffin just cuz..Flores wants him on his defense. Thats not a waste of a 3rd round pick.

[@breadwinningbiscuit1086]

Kind of is for a guy we signed to a 1 year contract

[@DancesWithGophers]

I haven’t even watched this yet, and I already KNOW the nerd voice bit will be deployed 😂 Edit: 13:13 😂

[@Zoyx]

To his credit, he used a different type of nerd voice. Mackey has an impressive bag of nerd voices.

[@adamkleinschmidt3041]

The nerd voice is annoying lol.

[@77racing71]

@@Zoyx mackey is a petulant child

[@CFBisKing]

This is false according to Ben Goessling on PA's show today said that according to his sources at TCO that Shaq Griffin has no bearing on the compensatory compensation, meaning that they weren't getting that 2nd 3rd round pick regardless of this signing.

[@drewengel7073]

Given the fact that it's been reported that the Vikings internally believe they will get two comp picks, I think we can assume that they have a different formula for comp pick compensation than OTC. OTC has also admitted in the past that their formula is not a 100% accurate and that the NFL has told them that they need to fix a few things for it.

[@t.j.richardson8446]

Let it goooooo! Y'all are SUUUUUPER reaching this episode.

[@ryanbanez7926]

Not when vikes have 3 draft picks next year. Pretty important.

[@Buckeye1244]

@@ryanbanez7926they have 4 because they are getting a comp that’s literally the equivalent of the Vikings trading 3 picks in this upcoming draft coming draft stop lying and chill draft picks 3rd round and later are way overrated by fans.

[@t.j.richardson8446]

@@ryanbanez7926 How much cap space will we have next year? Like I said, "REACHING"

[@lucascofell4680]

@@ryanbanez7926 just to be clear - this isn’t finalized. This is literally just people saying “I don’t think they’re getting a 2nd comp pick.” The comp pick formula is proprietary - a version of it is published but even then there’s contention around how it applies.

[@1175drh]

Not improving your team because your worried about Comp Picks is silly!!

[@scaryhobbit211]

Passing on signing a player because you are obsessed with getting another mid-round lottery ticket is a loser mentality, really. "We could sign Shaq Griffin, but a 3rd round draft pick could be anything! It could even be Shaq Griffin!" ... "Great job Peter, you 3rd round pick got us Cameron Danzler 2.0."

[@Reid_Jorgensen]

You guys have flip-flopped so many times on the Danielle Hunter trade at the deadline. Culture wise the team was all in and went on a winning streak and you agreed based on culture. Just because it ultimately didn't work, don't flip-flop on their process.

[@jonathan45732]

Pretty sure the team was 3-3 or 4-4 and Kirk was out for the season. That team was NEVER gonna make the playoffs let alone win a playoff game there was ZERO reason Hunter and other players shouldn’t have been traded we easily could have gotten a 2nd for Hunter

[@originalnorseman462]

Kwesi drafts according to the Market and what assets we he has. He invests based on what our needs are. Kwesi is playing Chess while others are playing checkers. Jocks will never understand what he is doing. 😅

[@stuartanderson6785]

My single biggest problem with Kwesi is that he doesn't win trades during the draft. Very seldom does he come out ahead on his trades. I know that's not the be all and end all, but it sure would be nice once in awhile for the pundits to say, "Dang, Kwesi really pulled off a fantastic move there! What a deal!" Nope. He's mostly on the other end of that conversation. I think he's developed a bit of a rep as the guy who can be taken advantage of.

[@jaredpribyl]

I don’t understand how we became so chill about throwing away third round picks…like it’s chumps in that round…tons of starters get drafted in the third round

[@clintonreisig]

Let Kwesi cook. The food aint done yet

[@StillKeepOnLosing]

But you guys the one getting cooked... RIP

[@arvieweathers294]

​@@StillKeepOnLosingu don't like what he cooked baby girl? I thought u like sausages in your mouth 😉

[@_What_About_Bob]

I don’t see how Shaq Grffen will cost the same as a Cousins or Hunter in terms of compensatory picks. The formula is suspect.

[@Selling-McCarthyism]

It’s net players in -> net players out regardless of quality. Let’s say we lost Hockenson, Darrisaw, and Jefferson in the same offseason but picked up nobody else. We’d get 3 3rd round picks because their contracts would be market setting. Now let’s say we lost the same players but then got 3 backup QBs on 4M contracts. We’d get no picks because lost 3 players but then gained 3 players that met the comp pick formula. It’s ridiculous but that’s how it works.

[@StillKeepOnLosing]

Good orgs use it to their advantage... You guys arent a good org...

[@_What_About_Bob]

@@Selling-McCarthyism that makes sense

[@Selling-McCarthyism]

@@StillKeepOnLosing we’re good. Not elite. I think you mean elite. If we weren’t good, we wouldn’t be the 3rd winningest franchise since the modern era (Super Bowl era). And the winningest non-Super Bowl team. Only teams with a larger net win total since the modern era has been the Steelers and Cowboys.

[@xiffy1881]

@@StillKeepOnLosing How's your poor team doing mam? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jonkarg2528]

Hey Mackey! Make up your mind Bro! First, you applaud the Vikings for their off-season performance and their draft. Many times you said that the Vikings didn't give up too much. Now you're crying that they didn't get 2 comp picks. For crust sake, pick a position and stay with it. Salary cap for next season cures it all.

[@paytotomato1434]

I don’t know that we can be certain the team not trading Danielle and bailing on the season was a kwesi choice to make. In all likelihood it had at least some Wilf influence.

[@jonkarg2528]

Judd, don't think that draft strategy should change from year to year? Different needs and different players from year to year.

[@richstrommen]

It seemed like Spielman traded down the board too much to accumulate 7th round picks. You can't build a rooster by accumulating 7th round picks.

[@Felixnala]

Why does the nfl hate kwesi and the Vikings so much?

[@hugeboi3669]

Why does Kwesi make so many dumb moves?

[@jaredpribyl]

Kwesi does this to himself. I never remember Rick making such clear blunders

[@t.j.richardson8446]

@@jaredpribyl Does what, exactly?

[@Felixnala]

@@jaredpribyl as a counter point, how many 3rd round draft picks did Rick make, and how many actually panned out? The answer is he made many 3rd round picks and hardly any of them had a significant impact other than Danielle hunter

[@Felixnala]

@@hugeboi3669 he made a calculated risk signing shaq griffin betting on risner signing with another team. He was wrong and lost out on a ham sandwich, big deal

[@robertobustamante9694]

The Shaq Griffen vs Howard comparison comp is ridiculous. Howard wasn't going to sign a 1 year 6 mil deal. For them to be in this conversation says enough about griffins ability to ball. Bad take, Mackey

[@brandondillman5841]

It's going to be a horrible look if Griffin doesn't make the team though.

[@robertobustamante9694]

@@brandondillman5841 I don't believe there is enough depth for him to get beat out

[@michaelharrington2234]

Viking fans aren't smart enough to know whether or not that Kwesi screwed up the comp pick formula. There was about only a dozen that agreed with me that Kwesi shit the bed in this year's Draft. Not that Kwesi has ever shit the bed in his previous Drafts.

[@charlesrichard831]

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[@BeoTheMage]

Can we start referring to McCarthy as the QB for the next 15 years instead of 10 Phil? He is just 21 and I think we have our guy for a long time 😀😀😀

[@Razorbacks1]

Let’s put the brakes on a bit on McCarthy who has never thrown a pass in a NFL game yet.

[@brandondillman5841]

Let him prove he's even a good QB on the field first. He was the 5th QB taken for a reason.

[@BeoTheMage]

@brandondillman5841 We benefitted from other teams mistakes I believe. Was Dan Marino the 6th best QB in the 1st Round in 83? Other teams screwed up and Miami benefitted just like I think we will with JJ.

[@brandondillman5841]

@@BeoTheMage that was 40 years ago. Drafting was a total guessing game back then. Now anybody can watch every single snap a player takes their entire high school and college career before being drafted. McCarthy likely fell because he lacks elite traits. He doesn't have Caleb Williams arm talent, Jayden Daniels athleticism, Drake Maye's big arm and prototypical build or Penix's arm and quick release. McCarthy has a good chance to put up some numbers with his supporting cast in Minnesota, but even they were desperately trying to trade up to #3 overall to draft Maye for a reason. They knew there was a talent drop off from Maye to JJ.

[@user-bo9jt5tx4u]

The math guy (Kwesi) struggles with Math. Stuggles with Values of everything.

[@daviddidder3781]

Not getting a 3rd from MIA for Dalvin, not trading Hunter before the deadline, now this. Fix this part of your game Kwesi!!

[@easalsoeas4565]

Kwesi F up again and needs to be FIRED IMMEDIATELY before he ruins the Vikings future anymore.

[@daviddidder3781]

@@easalsoeas4565 he had a great draft this year and is learning just like KOC is. Both deserve more time, just don’t make the same mistake twice, is all I ask.

[@jonathan45732]

@@easalsoeas4565Yeah your not to bright there are ya?

[@jonathan45732]

He’s still learning, just look at him 2 years ago to this year there have been MASSIVE improvements but he’s far from perfect. In a couple more years he could be one of the best GMs in the NFL

[@elijahbloom627]

3rd for Dalvin? Did I miss something? I though we might have gotten a day 3 pick but I don't believe a 3rd was ever on the table.

[@ThomasR-ez1fs]

It’s about screwing it up and how he should have had a better plan with free agency. Not worth screaming about, but he’s still messing it up too much. He doesn’t seem to have a complete grip on what his job is. The reason it hurts more that they lost the other comp pick is they already traded away 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks away. Agree with Mackey on his take on draft asset management. Why did they hang onto Hunter? They weren’t going anywhere last year and clearly weren’t going to resign him. Decent chance he gets a first in a trade if Sweat and Leonard Williams got their teams a 2nd. Then they wouldn’t have needed to trade with Houston and had their 2024 & 2025 2nd rounders. And don’t get me started with that freaking Detroit trade dropping 20?slots for peanuts.

[@donovandawson9190]

Question/Statement for feedback Friday. Get off KAMs back about his first draft sure it was really bad. It wasn't his people in the scouting department nor did he have a whole year to put together his "wishlist". His drafting since then has greatly improved.

[@ClownBaby37]

We gave up a 3rd round pick for a guy that we know will not start and might even be at the bottom of the depth chart. Why? Id rather roll the dice on a 3rd rounder next year

[@laserchiefwankoo204]

Thats not whag happened genius

[@ClownBaby37]

What happened then?

[@heinzbucksandcastle2053]

Vikings should consider the backup QB position going forward. If Darnold works out maybe sign him to a longer term deal so we can have some stability there.

[@jasongallagher6845]

He should collaborate with everyone in the org. It builds trust and a team mentality. If the coaches proved to be bad or unreliable in identifying talent then it would be a different story. I think oconnel pushing for Addison last year and him turning out to be an awesome player showed him there are guys here that know football

[@KyleCMcQueen]

The national media just looking for any reason to knock the Vikings and the best they got right now is flailing over 3rd round comp picks and Day 3 picks. Not a single championship in sports history has been won with spreadsheets and future picks. I'd rather we "miscalculate" losing a midround pick in exchange for adding talent to the roster than soft-shoe around and miss out on legitimate game-changing talent. When JJ McCarthy is lifting that Lombardi, nobody is gonna bat an eye at a 3rd round comp pick.

[@debsmith7861]

Interestingly, Pukers fans and gb media seem to think a sweep of the queens is automatic this season particularly if Darnold starts.

[@tizucker]

Griffen was waived by Texans mid season. He therefore should not count as a lost free agent and will not count.

[@dmabrey007]

He finished the season with Carolina. Making him count. Vikings could cut him midseason and make him not count.

[@dmabrey007]

The perfect scenario is Shaq gets beat out in camp or by mid-season and he then would not count in the formula. Similar to when Bradford was released in season by Arizona and we lost 3rd round comp pick.

[@Razorbacks1]

Hopefully Dwight McGlothern beats out Shaq, Booth and Evans. PFF’s number 1 SEC corner this year.

[@robertcentofanti6606]

It all looks disjointed to me. Everything Kwesi has done in these drafts seems either reactionary, forced, or poor decision making, unlike other high functioning front offices (eagles/chiefs/ravens) who you rarely see make lopsided deals not in their favor. And I don't care about what trade chart is used... Trades compensation should be similar to the rest of the league deals. Every single trade he's overpaid to trade up, and gotten underpaid in almost every trade down.... Like he doesn't have a good plan, and/or is forcing what he wants to happen instead of letting the board fall to him. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is my impression to date. Even the JJ McCarthy trade up seemed reactionary. I don't think anyone was interested in pick #10 but us. And the early off season trade with Houston seems like a panic move to me. To trade so early, with no subsequent trade up in place, and then to try and save face with another massive overpay to get Turner.... Granted, it could work, but that doesn't necessarily justify the poor process. Its been nothing BUT overpaying IMO. Also, the blown comp pick is mind numbing to me. I don't care how many assets we can recoup other ways....that doesn't justify blowing what could be a valuable pick/asset. I expect my front office to be competent, they should NEVER foolishly squander ANY assets big or small. They're supposed to be very smart and on top of these kind of minute details. Right?

[@shawneg4412]

This guy gets it. I agree

[@TheBlkhwkcrew]

I agree on the Hunter trade and the lack of a first rd pick for the lions trade, but lets not put the cart before the horse on this 3rd round thing.

[@phreakerbythespeaker9902]

Mackey, I love Purple Daily, and the Oline Committee. For me the crossover of your show ideas like the nfl schedule draft thing loses its sparkle when you do the same thing on both shows.

[@sebastiancanes]

If you start taking it easy on KAM, that is when the 2022 version will strike again. I wouldn't not extend him beyond a year, especially since Cine and Booth are about to be released And, how come Jet hasn't be extended yet? What's the hold up there KAM?

[@brandonmillus430]

JJ is not gonna sign today and watch his contract get 1 upped by Chase. It's not a holdout is waiting out the other WR so he stays top dog.

[@charlesrichard831]

If Judd is correct and Kwesi was the one that wanted rid of Kirk and KOC wanted to keep him if all that’s true then IMOH Kwesi needs a new contract and KOC is now on the hot seat 😂🤣😂

[@robertkawka7553]

OMG, all these wannabe gm's Monday morning Qb's. Is there nothing that the Vikes do that Purple Daily will not critisize? Give Shag some playing time before calling him the worst cb in the league 2347 ! Judd, really ?. Going after Kwesi for trading back, and then when he trades up like you wanted him to, you go after him for being inconsistent.

[@kft590]

Would the compensation change if Griffin get cut? He has been cut twice in the last two years.

[@Iifeisabouttheodds]

Love the aggressiveness to get the players they wanted: However, these 2-4 round picks are your quality depth and future starter athletes if you can pick right. This can easily come back to haunt them in about 2-3 years but it’s a gamble they were willing to make and we shall see if pushing all the chips in was a good decision.

[@stuartanderson6785]

So, I think the real question is: do the teams have in their possession the EXACT formula used to calculate comp picks? I know we certainly don't have access to it (and I would guess NEITHER does OTC) since every year it's just a guessing game. If Kwesi had the EXACT chart, then it's a screw up. But, even then, it isn't exactly the end of the world. The Hunter snafu, losing this comp pick, the 20 spot drop in the first rd. with the Lions w/o proper compensation, are ALL problems. Right now, Kwesi is still kind of learning and is still getting a bit of a hall pass from me -- but it won't last forever. IF these mistakes continue then he's going to have to answer for these decisions. Trading Hunter was a no-brainer and he failed. That's not a good look.

[@skyweasel1]

A comp 3rd falls at what is basically the start of the 4th round. Given that a pick a year out is usually considered to be discounted by time, the whole argument is about what is essentially an early 5th round pick next year. I don't think the organization really cares about it tbh.

[@geemac7267]

What we're seeing from both Kwesi and KOC is learning on the job. Neither had the requisite experience for their jobs when they were hired. KOC seems to have learned his trade a little quicker. Kwesi is growing but rather slowly imo. GM is probably the harder job between the two though.

[@stephenwright5030]

It definitely looks a bit worse after you’ve drafted a 25 yr old corner.

[@forrestasp3047]

Not getting a comp pick doesn't bother me that much. Not trading away veterans when their time had clearly come bothers me.

[@joevalvonis7064]

Who needs comp picks or draft picks past the 1st round. Picks past 1st round just make the GM look bad when they are in the end bad picks. I believe Kwesi team building formula is 1st round picks, 2-3rd tier FA and UDFA.

[@kameronerdman5870]

as a 26 year old fan of every minnesota team except the wolves, I would be so salty if the damn wolves won a championship before the twins/wild/vikings. it would be great for the city but id still be a little salty if the worst minnesota team my whole life pulled it out first

[@andrewhanson34]

The comp pick formula is proprietary to the league. No one truly knows how it works, just educated guesses. To discuss signing a vet at the cost of a comp pick is really stretching for content. This discussion should be had after the season after you see how griffin contributes.

[@jaredpribyl]

Kwesi didnt care about overpaying during draft so why would he care about throwing more picks away 🤪. Kwesi-stans about to get mad again that I spoke the facts… Dude is sloppy. Didn’t think that he’d be struggling with the things he struggles with…like the analytics lol

[@2suspicion88]

Draft the NFLs Top Rivalries. Curious to see if you would consider MIN/GB in the top

[@KadoLe92]

Football in the fall is some of my favorite. I would’ve taken thanksgiving over superbowl fs.

[@ericman82]

Here’s a fair point on retrospective thinking….IF Kwesi had traded Danielle Hunter he’d probably traded those to move up to get his Ferrari QB. Hopefully… Kwesi gets conservative a bit here but as a business man picks CAN be acquired just as easy as lost. Kwesi is NOT a nickel and dime GM and we’re gonna have to deal with the “bumpy” ride. As long as it leads to a Lombardi trophy

[@Tomasso777]

So you're saying we shouldn't sign players available, just to get a 3rd round comp pic, stupidest take ever

[@ryanbanez7926]

Yeah… biggest L right now is not trading Hunter before the deadline and letting him walk. I was not happy about that.

[@1175drh]

I can't believe the Super Bowl is so far down the list. I guess if the Purple made it would be much higher

[@gaetanoschristmaschannel]

if They could have signed Griffin for less than 4 mill, they would keep the comp. I don't know if he would have signed for that.

[@darriowilhite8646]

The problem with our general manager is one we may need to get all new scouts, but the main problem is not necessarily trading up or down, it’s the compensation of the first year. He should’ve came out with Detroit first round pick next year or at least kept their second round pick instead of switching positions. Whenever you trade with somebody in the division, you have to win even over the trading chart, he did that with Detroit and Green Bay and he lost both times so I think he said the president with the other GM that he could be lowballed. It hurts when you’re not a football guy and analytics don’t always work.

[@willlloyd3997]

Each draft your offense and defense, sepearate weeks, of all time Vikings

[@mrgobbleton]

Who else read the fansided article that said "Shaq griffin signed to fill danielle hunters shoes on the edge"...Huh??

[@vikesfan01]

I disagree the phrasing "he has been loose with draft capital". The man has NEVER won a trade. That being said, I like THIS draft. None of his previous two. He was aggressive and got what we think are great players.

[@rickwithsomerolled]

I don't really care about the picks situation. If Kwesi actually cared about them they would of made trades before the deadline last year when kirk went down. The Vikings could've moved a ton of players that left this year and they didn't. None of it was hindsight either with kirk and JJ down the season was a wash. The team can always get some more picks. People are crying over nothing. What babies do.

[@Icemanlb]

How can you say it's not worth it when you have not seen Griffith play a snap?

[@Digits-nf9fo]

I have been a Vikings fan and a Celtics fan since before first grade, more than 50 years....so, I am rooting for the Twolves through west conference. BTW, the comp pick stuff is intentionally obtuse to maximize NFL manipulation over team success, based upon ratings profitability, imo.

[@Saber_born]

No one drafting the training camp period right up to the start of the season is wild

[@markreese6693]

This is how I defend Kwesi. Go back and look at that 21’ draft , Spielman’s last draft 🤮. What did Rick have? 12-15 picks and how many are left 2 or 3 guys. I think it’s possible Rick got fired for that draft.

[@panthony1969]

Drafting better than Spielman doesn’t make Kwesi a good GM. Compare him to his contemporaries. I’d argue that just in the NFC North, the other 3 GM’s have significantly outperformed Kwesi. We can’t count this most recent draft. No one knows how it will play out. Maybe 2024 will save him. TBD.

[@markreese6693]

@@panthony1969 I never said it did but the very last draft of Spielman was awful exceptions were Darrisaw and Bynum. Spielman had 10-15 years on the job and Kwesi 3 years. In my humble opinion I think this draft was a good one and also he’s learning and doing what’s necessary to get us the guys we needed. I’m really convinced that the Hunter debacle was not altogether Kwesi’s fault. I’ve seen The Wilf’s in action and when they like someone like Cousins they’ll keep them here in my view to the detriment of the team. Kwesi because of his background probably listened to consensus on Hunter and it was bad judgement on the team as a whole not to pack it in after they lost Cousins. So they went out got Dobbs and tried to bring back to life this deadcat bounce situation. DFFS aka du** f***in fans were crying pleaseeee don’t pack it in. Idjits because that’s what in my view led to keeping and losing Hunter. Unfortunately we got fans that only react out of emotion and narrative. We can’t hold him completely responsible because in a way the DFFS, The Wilf’s and The Organization got caught up in emotion. He gets a pass! Kwesi’s probably never dealt with such fanaticism before so he’ll make the necessary adjustments. Allowing Kirk Cousins to walk was not only in my view the right thing to do but Kwesi was fair and upfront with him saying they were going to draft his replacement. Kirk got pissed got the guaranteed money from Atlanta. What did Atlanta do they drafted his replacement before Kirk played a down. No matter what we think of Kwesi he treated Kirk like a man and told him the truth.

[@markreese6693]

@@panthony1969 I never said it did but the very last draft of Spielman was awful exceptions were Darrisaw and Bynum. Spielman had 10-15 years on the job and Kwesi 3 years. In my humble opinion I think this draft was a good one and also he’s learning and doing what’s necessary to get us the guys we needed. I’m really convinced that the Hunter debacle was not altogether Kwesi’s fault. I’ve seen The Wilf’s in action and when they like someone like Cousins they’ll keep them here in my view to the detriment of the team. Kwesi because of his background probably listened to consensus on Hunter and it was bad judgement on the team as a whole not to pack it in after they lost Cousins. So they went out got Dobbs and tried to bring back to life this deadcat bounce situation. DFFS aka du** f***in fans were crying pleaseeee don’t pack it in. Idjits because that’s what in my view led to keeping and losing Hunter. Unfortunately we got fans that only react out of emotion and narrative. We can’t hold him completely responsible because in a way the DFFS, The Wilf’s and The Organization got caught up in emotion. He gets a pass! Kwesi’s probably never dealt with such fanaticism before so he’ll make the necessary adjustments. Allowing Kirk Cousins to walk was not only in my view the right thing to do but Kwesi was fair and upfront with him saying they were going to draft his replacement. Kirk got pissed got the guaranteed money from Atlanta. What did Atlanta do they drafted his replacement before Kirk played a down. No matter what we think of Kwesi he treated Kirk like a man and told him the truth.

[@mousecatcher1]

2022 Draft: 8/10 players selected are still on the team. Two starters (Evans, Ingram). Three regular contributors (Chandler, Booth, Muse). One traded for a 6-rounder (Lowe). Only one cut (Otomewo). And the defensive players were drafted for a differnt scheme. 2022 was NOT a disaster.

[@mackii7063]

Look who’s keeping said players on the team……KWESI Look how those 8 players flourishing LOL The only problem with that draft was the massive trade down that 💯 should’ve required Detroits 2023 1st rd pick And he tries to outsmart himself by drafting a bust safety instead of sticking and picking an all pro safety

[@saingrimes]

How do you say your franchise is not rushing JJ to the field, yet you need Griffin for 1 year over a future 3rd? We could have signed Griffin next Thursday or what other random date and kept that pick after the draft. Just a stupid move for a guy that needs to rebuild a team.

[@fishsticks7257]

Not the biggest Kweso fan. However, I have a feeling it was the Wilfs that kept him from blowing up the team last year. Wilfs have publicly been very anti rebuild every time they have been asked.

[@lcspartansful]

Guys the biggest gaffe I can think of in player acquisition is cutting Gilbert Brown a 3rd round pick nothing since then has been bad bad. Hershey Walker Bad bad. Not even remotely bad bad. Questionable maybe but look at who's on the roster and who's not! No kirk, kendricks, Thielan etc we got Addison Turner JJ JJ Harry, Bynum and 2 stud OT. I think we're doing fine

[@dw2367]

What do YOU think, Phil ? If we lost a 3rd round comp pick in next year's draft due to an admin/calendaring error that high dollar folk (paid millions) should catch, how is that NOT a problem ? It may be in the weeds, but it's what they do; some of us lose our jobs for this kind of oversight; maybe I'm not thinking in the right context. Though KAM seems to be getting better with each draft, these little personnel faux paus smack of "Vikings," and what is typical in preventing a good team from becoming great. It does appear we are heading in a net positive direction; but only 2/32 get to the dance, and will this regime be good enough to ascend to 1/16 in the NFC. I agree that "Before I Die," in the present day, even though I've experienced the Twins in '87 & '91, kind of extends to all of MN sports - especially since the Vikes, Wolves, and Wild (and even now the Twins) haven't been close for a very, very long time.

[@leonardshevlin7260]

George Allen's tactic was to trade draft picks and enjoy the benefits of having a veteran roster. This approach meant that he didn't need the ability to discern which college players were worth giving an opportunity to and his time could be spent learning about players on the teams his Redskins faced or might face in the postseason. Your miss-rate should be lower with men who are already professionals.

[@brianw3656]

George Allen? 50 years ago? C'mon.

[@intrepidfool]

I like the selections this year. However, KAM has consistently given away value. His first trade was egregious as he left at least a 2nd round pick on the table in the terrible trade down 20 spots in the first. He lost a 4th or so in the Dallas Turner trade. He lost a 3rd round comp pick rather than simply waiting to sign a depth CB to compete for a spot. Neither of the last two are horrible in isolation. But, when combined with each other, and the terrible trade in his first draft, it creates a concerning pattern. I like Kwesi's demeanor and approach, but he needs to either invest time and energy into figuring this out or hire someone to help with conserving draft capital.

[@Clashwithcodeman]

I think the coach/gm if they are a minority they can get a comp pick for instance when/if Flores’s gets a hc job Vikings would get a comp pick

[@jgberzerker]

Next year is supposed to be a much deeper draft. I expect Kwesi to trade back in the first to get more picks in mid rounds.

[@digitalplainsmedia9466]

No one cares about comp picks. But i agree - not trading hunter was a huge mistake that every fan with a brain in real time knew would bite them in the future

[@midragon127]

I’m pretty sure the comp picks are assigned now if the team loses a head coach or an Offensive/Defensive coordinator who is a minority the they give the team a 3rd round pick for two years now

[@tfundermann]

Declan wins the draft easy. Draft, Week 1, FA and Playoffs/SB of any kind are my main things. He got 3 of those 4. Great win for Declan!

[@Selling-McCarthyism]

16:14 If we traded Danielle Hunter for a 2nd, we’d lose on the comp 3rd, where Griffin’s contract would’ve replaced Kirk’s 3rd round comp pick. Yes it’s more value but would you pick swap to lose a player mid season? The compensation essentially would’ve been a 2025 3rd (Kirk’s) comp + Danielle Hunter for a 2024 2nd. Or are you fine with it being Danielle Hunter for a 2025 3rd round (Kirk’s) comp?

[@leonardshevlin7260]

I don't understand why some analysts think that regular picks [other than 1st round picks] are virtually worthless (when Kwesi sheds them) but comp picks have great value.

[@chadharris7988]

Training camp is way up there for me. The new team excitement

[@stoffls]

my favorite season is the Purple Daily "reckless speculation" season.

[@jimjenkins7146]

While it may not be 100% true Kwesi has said in the past that they do not think about future comp picks when building a team now. That being said the year they signed Kirk they lost Bridgewater, Bradford and Keenum. We were projected to get a couple of 3rd rounders with other losses but wound up with zero in the third since all three crapped the bed with their new team. So play performance under new contract plays a roll in this formula as well. So we really need the free agents we lost to play lights out with new team to give us the best shot at comp picks in any round.

[@jasongallagher6845]

I don't think you can judge a gm on his "consistently " judge on the picks themselves not how, when , why. If you can hit on some real franchise changing picks I'm all for it .

[@kft590]

In the 2022 first round trade down Kwesi also lost the value of a 3rd round pick, he loses draft value every time he picks up the phone to talk to another teams GM.

[@marcusharris2089]

F!!! THOSE Picks... 100mil for free agency next year

[@andersswanson-lane]

Mackey won the NFL calendar draft

[@robertobustamante9694]

Also I think you guys give Kevin O'Connell tooo much credit. For you to have a thought that kwesi goes to Kevin for draft decisions is wild. I'm sure he has input but for kwesi (a guy from a analytical standpoint), I doubt he doesn't make wild risks or decisions without a reward for it.

[@prestin5304]

I havent seen anything official on comp picks Vikings will get yet so why and episode to discuss what hasnt even happened yet? Hell, none of us know for sure if it will turn out the way media outlets are saying it will.

[@Evolution10X]

I think we as fans put too much stock in later round picks. Vikings needed secondary depth now. Not a corner in round 3 in April 2025. they def botched the trades last year but they also botched tanking for Williams or Maye. Can’t have it both ways boys. 😢😅

[@phillipprimmer1535]

We need to stop with the easy fall back on Kwesi isn't a football guy. He's worked in football for over a decade. He met and was recruited by the 49ers VP of football operations and cap/contact manager Paraag Marathe back when Harbaugh was their coach and started in 2013. He was the VP of football operations in Cleveland for 2 years. Dex almost nailed it, part of his strength is team and organization building is listening to and balancing interests and wants of folks in the organization. I wanted picks for Cousins and Hunter too. But he has to balance that against the wants of his coach and supporting his coaches ability to coach the team. If he trades those guys and a handful of others on the team are upset and decide they are leaving in free agency, or not signing extensions or holding out for larger ones with more guarantees, or simply lose faith in the org and coach after the coach said he would do his best to enable them to compete to win games, how many draft picks are all those things worth? You blame Kwesi too often for being just a numbers guy but it's actually his actions that show an avoidance of being strictly numbers and giving real weight to these very much football and human elements that you're taking issue with.

[@michaelhacker1442]

Are you upset with how the team is now??? I'm sure they said let's get our blue chip players we have a ton of cap room next year and next draft class (as of to date) is not good we have 100% improved all positions (maybe not DT) and OLine but they were not dire needs such as QB and CB and Edge so I'm on board... I'm glad he doesn't follow the crowd and that he takes chances at time and other times he tries to build draft capital. He is learning and every year I think he gets better

[@doogey5708]

Thanksgiving game & Training Camp

[@TheSadDane]

To me, this was probably a mistake, but by itself not lethal. That said, it is part of a worrisome trend. Kwesi just doesn't seem very good at the wheeling and dealing aspect of the draft. And given how many holes remain on the roster, it seems like he was far too willing to give up multiple picks, including future picks. I understand Dallas Turner was one of the premier prospects this year, but I am far less convinced than Judd that it will be easy to pick up multiple picks in next year's draft. I say this as someone who doesn't really like the Vikings, but since I live here, it would be more interesting if they had a chance in the playoffs.

[@user-hl6jl6ef2y]

May 14 th is the NFL schedule

[@coreycarter1419]

There will be no extensions on KOC and KOM until they see what JJ can do. If JJ is a bust they might get one more chance to get the QB if that doesn't pan out it's over

[@Digits-nf9fo]

divisional round gets my vote, unless the Vikings are in the superbowl

[@azflyer3297]

Probably the best conversation you guys have ever had.

[@brockbertelsen9014]

Give me Declan’s nfl draft 1000/1000

[@dillondean6572]

You guys should draft/rank Surly Brewing Beers

[@raiden1495]

Final Week of Preseason / Fantasy Football Draft weekend

[@heinzbucksandcastle2053]

I very much doubt that the Wilfs wanted to trade Hunter in October for a draft choice, it is not their style.

[@nedcassley5169]

But that's how Ezra Cleveland was handled. For a 6th round pick, Jacksonville got a former 2nd round pick who will start for years to come. Minnesota downgraded to Coy Cronk.