Did Netflix SOLVE The JonBenét Ramey Case? | 2 Bears, 1 Cave Highlight

[@joshhacker1995]

Garth did it.

[@Momma_canoe]

Dammit😂

[@TheNewHottness84]

WHERE ARE THE BODIES GARTH?!?!

[@BatMan-hf3gt]

Thats exactly what i got out of the doc too.

[@Digitalhunny]

No, this is factually wrong. When they DNA tested the parents, a familial match _would_ have shown. At the very least they would known where to look. Police do not cover up for children, not ever back then. Plus, the killer is known to be of hispanic descent... and we known that the kiddo ain't.

[@xRoeJogan]

Her parents deserve closure!!

[@georgejetson3702]

I was playing golf with a buddy on Johnston Atoll in the late 90's when he said to me, "Someone should write a book about all the children who were murdered the same week as Jon Benet who never got any attention from the media." Still, a spot on comment.

[@dawsondetrana5496]

How many children were murdered that week? Usually when a child is murdered like that it's a pretty big deal

[@scytheviper2748]

I'd like to know more about what you just said.

[@xxmichael123456789]

@@dawsondetrana5496 you're trippin

[@mtut]

​@@dawsondetrana5496 If I'm reading the stats correctly, probably about 200 between ages 6 and 11 - it was by far the lowest prevalence of child homicides by age group. But J-B had just turned 6, so maybe we should be including the 600 or so in the 0-5 bracket. And maybe the golfing buddy's point referred to all children. I believe the total would have been about 1800, including all age brackets 17 and under. So in an average week: about 4 homicides of children 6-11, about 12 homicides of children 5 and under, about 35 homicides of children 17 and under. Those are really crude estimates but that gives some idea.

[@chris_2874]

Ya can't imagine the child murder rate was that high compared to any other week or just in general

[@uncle-ted]

The ransom amount being so specific and the exact amount of his bonus is what I can't wrap my head around.

[@generaldzaster2022]

Supposedly there was a pay statement where the ransom note was written that had his bonus amount on it.

[@aztlanmora]

I agree. And the letter being written from a note pad from the house. It all points to the parents. It's hard for me to believe that someone broke into the house and took his time to write a 3 page letter. I would think the suspect would write a 3 word ransom letter and get the heck out.

[@Papa-kj3eh]

Never once did they cry. Impossible for them to never cry. Even when they were suspects. Key to this case is Dershowitz. The lawyer that got epstein the sweetheart deal. Jon and Allan are close.

[@theOuTLaW365]

I believe the mom wrote the Ransome note 💯, something happened bc she wet the bed, maybe the mom flipped out and in a rage killed her and the father helped hide what happened. Either way I think the truth died with the Mom.

[@generaldzaster2022]

@@theOuTLaW365 Thats what ive thought all along, mom flipped out, dad did damage control, the guilt gave her cancer

[@Ryoufriggingserious]

The cops completely screwed up the JonBenet case from the very beginning.

[@thefeckineejit264]

My understanding is that the Ramsey’s screwed the cops by inviting all friends over before cops arrived and contaminating the whole scene.

[@OhMeOhMy77]

Yeah it's funny that the ransom note says DONT EVEN TALK TO A STRAY DOG OR HER HEAD IS GONE. and the first thing they do is invite cops and friends right over.​@@thefeckineejit264

[@nephilimshammer9567]

no they didnt this was some high level shit like epstein elite

[@Ryoufriggingserious]

@nephilimshammer9567 lol... you spend way too much time on the internet and its bs conspiracy sites.

[@marcflores6969]

Don’t forget the media too. They added absolutely no value. Nothing but lies and pointing fingers.

[@Looshington]

It was absolutely more likely that it was someone in the family/house than it was an intruder. The netflix doc is a horrendous representation of the case and details and is more or less propaganda entirely. KZbin has several people who have done deep dives on the case, just looking at ALL the released information, and there are way too many inconsistencies with their stories.

[@JSANCHE5]

thats what infuriated me about the documentary, it basically pushed the idea of anything but the parties inside the house. Come on man, what are the odds that its some intruder and now he or she is chilling on the beach somewhere smiling and laughing that they got away with it.

[@chrisemerson7743]

@@JSANCHE5no intruder is gonna take the time to write a ransom letter while in the house. Especially after the kid is already dead! Iv never heard of anything like that! I mean why write one if you’re not even taking the kid? The fact that they used the exact amount of the father’s bonus was their first mistake! For years Iv said this, the brother did it and the parents felt guilty and covered for him!

[@cantthinkofone6995]

Jon Benet is buried a couple miles from my house, my grandfather is in the same cemetery. I always feel sad when I pass by. I know she left earth decades ago, but there’s just something sad thinking about her being buried in random Marietta, GA… no family around. Ok. Thinking too much, time for bed!

[@kevindoran7099]

Is it the cemetery in Boulder on line like 8th and pleasant? I lived across the street for a couple years

[@lovefool.99]

Is her mom not buried near her?

[@JenniferDaniels909]

@@kevindoran7099 no, she’s not buried where she lived; she’s buried where Patsy’s family is from.

[@r35smith]

She’s buried right beside her mother.

[@michelefischetti2508]

How do you know that?

[@dezunne]

two dudes meandering through a half-hearted conversation about a TV show both of them watched, but can barely remember any details to. WOW, compelling! thank you podcasting medium for the privilege of consuming this secondhand.

[@Remy-t9m]

I got the same vibe

[@adammuncy8475]

AGREED

[@paultomlinson2695]

Go to bed.

[@nyc1ts932]

Tom, who brought it up, didn’t even finish it. Lol like what’re we doing

[@amossauceda9972]

People can talk about stuff You don’t own the rights to conversations with your friend about a show lol

[@Uncle_Boozy]

Was Garth Brooks in Denver that day?

[@JamesBlanchardCisneros]

I had the exact same question!!

[@awienterprisessvsc]

Nah….he was in Boulder 😏

[@mercedesmaguire1413]

Boulder Dude 😊

[@Uncle_Boozy]

F’ing Boulder…

[@dmaguire303]

I vaguely remember hearing he owned a house in Longmont or Loveland back in the day. Longmont is 20 minutes from the Ramsey house and 40 from Loveland.

[@babybonesxd4810]

I need more Tom Segura True crime takes. I don't know why, but it seems like a good niche for him.

[@Remy-t9m]

Burke did it. Patsy wrote the note. John created the crime scene. Watch the CBS documentary where the detectives (one even worked on the case when it happened) all came to the conclusion Burke accidentally did it and parents wanted to protect him and the family image. Then watch Burke's interrogation tapes and read about his weird behaviour towards Jon Benet before that night.

[@shark140]

no way is a 9 year old going to sexually molest and then kill his 6 year old sister. The DNA on her underwear didn't match Burke either. Burke is without a doubt on the spectrum, that would explain his weird behavior.

[@Remy-t9m]

@@shark140 No one said he SAed her. The dna was so tiny, it could have been from a factory worker. And yes children have done it before. Look up James Bulger...

[@adammuncy8475]

Agreed. He was eating pineapple and she probably stole some from his bowl. He hit her across the head with a flashlight, and the parents finished it. The fact that the dollar amount was so accurate says it was someone who knew EXACTLY how much the bonus was, and they were in such a rush and it being so late at night that they weren't thinking straight. Noone would ask for the exact dollar amount of the bonus even if they knew, they would as for more because A: they wouldn't think about taxes being taken out and B: they would assume the Ramsey's had a lot more money than just the bonus.

[@justincarpenter1197]

But they sued the shut out of cvs and got paid!

[@javy8229]

But why do you they raped her?

[@Opeon1]

The family needs closure Garth... please dont let the dad take the fall for this

[@joceyno]

I mean, the dad basically said, he was only cool with the pageants - because the mom wanted to do them, since she was a former pageant queen. I think he just wanted to keep busy & happy, and out of his hair. But I remember hearing he put his foot down, when the mom wanted to take JBR to Vegas for one, and he said hell no. So he did want to protect her? But I still think it was someone they met at the pageants/or someone linked to the family staff. I mean, they never used the alarm. Someone could have come snuck in there. I can’t imagine someone doing that to their own child. I know there are monsters out there, but this is a long con, if that’s the case. As for Burke, he’s been put thru the ringer, and people react differently. I mean, people have said he’s a murder since he was a kid, of course, you’re going to be off.

[@kdgarrett1526]

Only commenting and liking this because Bert isn't there

[@79bewareofpuppies97]

Who's Bert? Your pimp?

[@45montini]

lol guys the dad was behind the entire documentary. One of the top handwriting experts in the world said the only person that could have written that note was Patsy. They completely left out the pineapple part of the story too. That Netflix doc was very misleading.

[@Ryan-kc5pl]

Gotta watch the max one

[@Ryan-kc5pl]

Studied the case in college. There wasn't any signs of a break in, lol

[@ryanberry5594]

How is the pineapple relevant if the Ramseys did it? Why would they all consistently say they didn’t give that to her? Feeding your kid pineapple before bed isn’t a crime, nor does it make you a killer. What do they have to gain by lying about it?

[@domcagney2352]

If you go into this case blind and only watch this doc, yea I’m not surprised you come away thinking the parents are innocent lol. John MADE this doc…I can’t say for sure he is the one that committed the murder, but he 100% knows who did and covered it up. It’s one of the 3 Ramsey’s and there’s very little doubt in my mind. Once you see the ransom note and how similar it is to Patsy’s writing and tone…and the fact that she switches between 2 different types of lower case a’s, JUST like the ransom note writer…come on If they’re not guilty, they are literally the most unlucky family on the face of the earth lol

[@lbjr777]

There have been dozens of handwriting experts who’ve disagreed.

[@verkpunk]

I havent seen this new doc but didnt a recent one heavily imply that it could've been the brother and the parents may have covered it up to protect him. Did they dispel that in this one?

[@CSHOWALTER1978]

Was there a garth brooks concert nearby?

[@toochangz]

There were tons of normal photos the media could have used. They used the pageant photos

[@adammuncy8475]

That's because the pageant photos and the videos would appeal to a pedo killer, which made the story more sellable.

[@pittbabe2386]

Wow! So profound listening to confused banter.

[@jules6450]

What was strange to me; is the neighbors and The Ramsey’s were such close friends, (were there that night in the house) that when The Ramsey’s moved they moved right with them. In the same area. That’s bizarre….

[@adammuncy8475]

They were "Swing" dancers.......?

[@raybass1938]

They had to know the layout of the house. Someone had to see John’s check stub to ask for his exact bonus amount. They had to know they never used their burglar alarm. They had to know Patsy used the spiral staircase every morning to make coffee to leave the note on it for her to find. This person had to know there was a hidden safe in the same room her body was found in. In the basement. They thought Patsy wrote the ransom note because it was written by a woman just not Patsy. Patsys first gut feeling she told police was this person and your first feeling is usually the right feeling. The only person to know all those things was their cleaning lady. Here’s how I think it went- she couldn’t physically do it herself but she knew a couple guys who would for 60 grand. She knew what to ask for because she’d seen his check stubs around the house, so the plan was always to hold Jon Benet in the basement. The saddest part is Jonbenet didn’t have to die. The note said 10 times that if they called the police they would kill here, actually cut her head off. Well Patsy freaks out and screams for John that she found a ransom note and Jon B has been kidnapped, and without even reading the letter the first thing he says is “call the Police”. As soon as they made that call she was strangled and her head was bashed in from a rage killing because they knew there would be no money. The plan was to wait for John to either go to the safe in the basement and surprise him when he does or call the upstairs line when he came home with the money. To walk downstairs. Being in the basement would work as long as the police weren’t involved .

[@erikapistacchio8375]

Interesting theory, never have heard this one before I don't think l.

[@jtbedazzle]

that's a new angle that seems very plausible.

[@raybass1938]

She also had a key to the house so they didn’t have to break in. Also explains why the pen and paper the ransom note was written on came from their home. She was there 3 to 4 days a week 4 to 5 hours at a time.

[@raybass1938]

Also in the Ransom note the kidnapper kept referring to John on a first name basis as if they knew him. Not Mr Ramsey Not John Ramsey But John

[@CorbCorbin]

@@raybass1938 Dear John, letter

[@GetOutandTrain]

If u really wanna warp ur noggin, the grandfather of JonBenet worked for the FAA, he got the airfield approved on North F.ox Island, that’s its own dark hole

[@Mr2blue2]

More info?

[@GetOutandTrain]

@ any comments fully explaining will get deleted. There’s videos about North F.ox island in lake Michigan and the the associated “snow murders” around Ann Arbor Michigan. JBR’s grandfather got the airstrip approved by the FAA on the island

[@rachelkoiks]

Really? I always think about JonBenet for whatever reason. I remember being a tiny kid, standing in the grocery store line and this was when magazines were all over the place so you’d buy it as a last minute buy. But she was on ALL of the covers, and I remember looking at it like she’s my age. So whenever there’s a child pageant anything, she’s the first thing that pops in my mind. There’s so many sick perverts out there, trust. I was a little girl once, and been ogled & stared at very creepily. It was something I thought that was just grown men stuff. But I didn’t realize until like, 5 years ago when someone was talking on the subject of jeering at women and stuff I realized, “oh yeah whatever happened to that?” Then flashbacks of how frequent it was when I was YOUNG, multiple times in a 15 min walk home from the bus stop in middle school (I’m talking men locked eyes and nearly hanging out their window till they drove past and it’d switch to mirror), high school a lot less, summer after graduating twice and done. I was like, whoaaa wait. If all those men were into little kids then that’s a lot. Waaay more than what I assumed. But someone showed me a map of that registered sex offenders of people nearby and it told me, they’re everywhere. Who knows what the map would show to the ones that don’t get caught. So yeah, child pageants have gotta be a magnet to creeps. Although nowadays I’m sure a lot, if not most, would rather watch anonymously these days.

[@RealJesseONFIRE]

The brother did it. That’s why the parents wigged out and tried to cover it up

[@lbjr777]

Yeah. A 9 year old right handed child was able to backhand someone with a flashlight hard enough to gash her skull 8”. Then the parents strangled and assaulted her with a rope and paintbrush. All to cover up the possibility that a NINE year old would get locked up? Foolish

[@brandyoctober5923]

@@lbjr777i have known some kids that could do that shit

[@tyreseforren6721]

​@@lbjr777 but she also chronically sexually abused meaning she was abused for over a period of time

[@Papa-kj3eh]

If it wasn't Jon they would have solved it.

[@zetnom89]

Is Bert gone??? if so I'm willing to watch again

[@pollard068]

He broke his orbital bone when Leanne sat on his face. He'll be back

[@georgezimmerman3334]

Tom was a kid in 1996?

[@greenthumb8170]

Teens

[@elescritorsecreto]

I was a teen as well in the 90s. Right from the beginning of this case, I always thought that the parent’s perceived guilt was palpable, but not why people think. I feel the parents suffered great guilt from the fact that they placed a beacon on their daughter to sexual predators with those pageants. I think that’s where their guilt came from. Maybe they found her dead, and then panicked because they had no explanation so they wrote a ransom letter because they were afraid someone in the house would be blamed. Who knows?

[@aguy559]

There is not a SHRED of evidence of an intruder. There never was.

[@brandonabbott6261]

Tom did it.

[@Driftless.]

It’s really amazing that people watch one show on the case and then form their opinions. Things were definitely portrayed differently and a lot was left out of that Netflix show. I guess I’m just saying that before forming an opinion I think people need to do more research than one show. But what do I know? I was 22 yrs old when it happened and remember it all.

[@AnthonyAnthony-tk4ye]

It had something to do with the housekeeper…… don’t know if she was directly or indirectly involved, but it was at the least her people…..

[@mohawkwyatt]

Mark Fix was her photographer and still owns rights to all her pics. My money is on him and I don't know why anyone talks about him

[@brett8532]

I have No idea what specifically went down inside that house, but the intruder theory is silly.

[@dmaguire303]

Thinking a family member did it is sillier.

[@pastorstephenmitchell3193]

You guys need to do some more research on this case. The netflix documentary presents one theory and is very selective with evidence that doesn't fit the narrative and the many ways the family added to the suspicion in the early years of the case

[@Dfturcott]

If I remember right, the Ramseys show up in a South Park episode where butters dad is gay and his mom tries to kill butters and this was one of a very few cases where the creators of South Park have mentioned later that they regretted putting them into an episode

[@alwayspushinfam1458]

The mom did it. She wrote the “ransom” note from her own notepad-this case is so obvious

[@DerekDaly92]

I wonder when he is getting hair plugs, he’s probably been looking into it. I love how he always acts like he’s so young when my dad is 61 and looks younger then him lmao😂

[@bosskozz1425]

Now do some research and learn how much information was left out of that doc…

[@KalispellBarbell]

It was someone involved in the pageants. Some creep of a friend of theirs broke in and did it.

[@LanceCan-b9d]

Where was the breaking part?

[@creth6124]

Chandra levy happened around 9/11 and got swept away from public eye

[@joebuffinton9112]

They caught and convicted the killer with DNA evidence. It wasn’t the Congressman at all. He was only guilty of having an affair with his intern. The murder was random and that’s why it looked like the secret Congressman boyfriend was lying and hiding something more than the affair.

[@dmaguire303]

They caught the dude who did it tho. It wasn’t the politician.

[@vinyllpreviews9462]

In the Scott Peterscase they said there's kind of a dead period for news around Christmas, it's why that story went National, this happened around Christmas too.

[@chris_2874]

That was all over the news you are r worded

[@Callsignunck]

Swept away? It was on the news all the time . And they caught the guy.

[@williamthomas5215]

Tom strategically guiding the conversation so we don’t discover it was actually him that killed the girl

[@DirtyDeeds403]

Where's the bodies Thomas

[@Noworries092]

I was in my 20’s when this happened. There were some accusations that came out that said that there was “training” Jon Bennett was getting. Like the kind of training that taught her how to be so “ enticing/ sexualised/ like a child se/ symbol. This happened often in that house. The mom supposedly went thru the same thing as a young child beauty queen. And something went horribly wrong. She was teported to have bruises on her Al the time that was covered up with make-up.

[@johnmcnulty2705]

I can remember thinking at the time that the brother was jealous of all the attention his sister was getting,killed her, and then the parents tried to cover it up with the ransom note.

[@lbjr777]

If Burke would have hit her with the flashlight the head wound would have been on the opposite side. He is right handed. Someone left handed would have had to hit her.

[@TomboKaiOfficial]

Child pageants are gross.

[@toddaho9781]

Tom you for got about the most prolific unsolved serial killer is Garth Brooks.

[@fluffypink6unny]

❓

[@6iron6miket6]

I think the big problem with the case is that the DNA sample is compromised. They don’t even know if it’s from dead skin cells, saliva they have no idea. In my opinion the dude that confessed did it.

[@lolabush2201]

How do you explain the ransom note then?

[@6iron6miket6]

@ John Mark car confessed to everything but was cleared because DNA did not match. He knew quite a lot about the case that was not in the public eye. The only reason they stopped the investigation was because of the DNA. I clearly can’t explain anything just exploring theories.

[@MattWood-kz7ek]

Tom was 18 when this happened. Not a kid.

[@juggijones8322]

Who tied those complex knots is a huge clue to who did it. The police completely blundered this case.

[@funisoffensive4096]

TOM: "What do i do with my hands?"

[@lorig7077]

The police Department was completely incompetent.

[@erichaynes5826]

I can’t see how the Netflix show could be better than Matt Orchard’s video about it.

[@stephaniem4565]

I didn’t finish the Netflix series but I agree. Matt Orchard’s JonBenet video is the best I’ve ever seen on this case.

[@davidrisenhoover1693]

Bert still sucks😊

[@rolandbishop9716]

Facts

[@katevand]

Can of pineapple is so weird

[@mikemartin5708]

It was Garth

[@LordAlmightyIAm]

Segura looks like he about to host Myth Busters

[@rodneypratt4324]

Yeah you're talking about Henry Lewis Texas Drifter I've been in Texas my whole life so I know about that one

[@brolong9644]

I actually knew john mark karr, so wild.

[@MissRed92837]

The kidnapping note was written by the parents. They are covering something up to keep their good reputation. So one of the family members did it, maybe by accident.

[@visualpr3cision]

Brother Accidentally killed his sister and the Parents did a dark and botched up job covering it up and somehow the cops helped cover it up or they screwed up so badly with their detective work they were never tried. (The crazy part is who decides to sexually assault her dead body. Wasn’t something stuck in her? Imagine being the parent and doing that to make it look like a Murder and sexual adult to make it more believable. Crazy.)

[@lifeispeachy2me2]

Non of that is true. It was definitely john mark car. The Colorado PD were imbeciles and DNA got messed up. Documentary is on netflix. Watch it. The brother won a lawsuit against the person spreading that rumor.

[@johnmcnulty2705]

I remember at the time thinking the same thing, except not an accident, jealous of all the attention she was getting.

[@patriciaredmond3996]

He was only nine, no way he did it

[@yuanjiazhu7940]

0% chance. He was 9. And just a normal sweet kid. And 0% chance parents would do that paintbrush thing. The best theory i heard was in the comments - maid connected. But id guess 95% a pageant creepo, if not just mark karr or whatever. The simplest question was, was that guy anywhere near boulder during that time? Never answered. And why hasnt dna been submitted to 23andme to review.

[@visualpr3cision]

Totally, that too. The only thing I do know is this is the craziest case ever that I don’t think will ever get an ending.

[@sarab9344]

In the crime scene video there was a $7k check on the mantle piece. Also blood in her bedroom. If the killer wanted money why didn’t they tie up the family, steal checks/money/jewelry/credit cards and transfer the funds if that was the original plan to hold her ransom instead of killing her which would immediately cancel out any plans of ransom money? Also a little girls scream is very loud (you’re telling me no one heard nothing that night?) I think the mother did it, and if she did have an accomplice they came through the back window. Because why was the original ransom note also found in the mother’s room?

[@olearymiriam]

They never mentioned in the documentary that three neighbors heard her screaming that night and what they thought sounded like metal on concrete. Also if it was an intruder how would they know where the practice notepad was? This documentary is completely different from the other TV investigation they did? It didn't even show the proper lay out of the house. Why would you break the window weeks before and not have it fixed in the depts of winter? In another interview Burke says he was with his father when he broke the basement window but in Johns interviews he never says that.

[@modawg1111]

The DNA is stranger DNA. That poor family has been put through Hell !

[@DSGxTennessee]

Hell 100 is chump numbers if you read a bunch of history. Some notoriously brutal people that has lived through the ages.

[@EdMGrant1994]

It’s the mom …abuse went to far and the note is stupidity written by the adults at home. She got murdered involuntarily by Mom during a domestic abuse incident and made this a mystery.

[@sundown6748]

Does anyone know- if the “friend” JBR stayed with that night, was that the same “friend” that found her with the father? Then is that why the cover up?

[@TheLordGoat]

They certainly wrote the ransom note. Probable the brother did it by accident and it was covered up. Possible the mom helped, but the SA stuff still doesnt make sense.

[@k.t.8537]

Lame take lol. It was a predatory pedophile obsessed with jonbenet that snuck into the house

[@45montini]

I’m with you 100%, Burke and JonBenet were the only ones with fingerprints on. That pineapple bowl.

[@jacquigonzalez5447]

It was Burke. How she was asssulted…. A duck kid could have done that. So sad.

[@missalbania9260]

Thank you random untrained civilian on KZbin, you’ve solved a cold case and have not regurgitated a shit theory

[@45montini]

@@missalbania9260 no one broke in that house and patsy wrote that note. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.

[@mr10ts]

tom did it

[@MissLisaBowes]

My theory is that the man who broke into the home of another pageant girl did it. Burke won a law suit against a media junket that stated he killed his sister. That is slander. When you say something about someone as though it is an evident truth you are committing slander. I think the police were idiots and did not handle things correctly. I think if the writer of the note knew what his bonus was I’d look at people who might know what his bonus was. Work colleagues. Lazy police work, honestly. It was easier to get on television and put on a good performance about how they “felt” the R’s did it and all than it was to get out there and solve the case. We all know feelings are not facts. A feeling can lead to a fact. Girls get dressed up similar for dance recitals and no one fusses much about that. The basic fact is that it’s a mother daughter activity that they enjoyed. There is nothing wrong with that. Patsy is right when she says that it’s the minds of those that want to see it as bad that are dirty or corrupted. Same kinds of people can be sitting at your child’s dance recitals or theater productions. It may also be that they may have made the ransom note thinking they would maybe get people moving on it faster, but why not just say that?

[@chrisemerson7743]

The brother did it and the parents felt guilty and covered for him! Even worse they made it look as if she was sexually abused! The reason the parents felt guilty is because all their attention was constantly on the daughter. The brother was always in the shadows. Even after she was killed, the brother was still put to the side!

[@johnnowak1020]

Love Sam Morril!!

[@10thinningcards]

I’d love to know Garth’s whereabouts the day of.

[@stevescott3735]

Hilarious to see the amount of people falling for the clear pro Ramsey propaganda.

[@danny9405]

They may not have done it but they were involved in some way. Whether it was the act or the cover up. Everyone says lack of evidence. To me the strongest piece of evidence is the letter. No one in their right mind would sit in a broken in home and pen a 3 page letter and walk freely all around a house. To follow, no one demanding money would kill their collateral unless they fought back. A 5 year old girl isn’t putting up a fight. This case isn’t obvious by any means but Occum’s Razor this.. the family had to be involved.

[@tjizzle8155]

The mother or brother....the only possibility in my eyes

[@annabethsmith-kingsley2079]

Yo the brother did it

[@suzannedavila1446]

The brother did it, parents covered. Thats why dad grabbed her body and carried her. So dna could be explained. The father contaminated the crime scene

[@WTFBUTWHY]

I think it was too brutal for it to be the dad The random note, and the paint brush could be someone who was in the house

[@dennistrull1475]

If you don't know the story.. these Docs spin the info and withhold other info. You need to look into it only superficially to figure that there's lots more to it.

[@sixfootben4892]

Dad did it. That note was way too long and it was left at the bottom of the stairs?

[@Nolongerbroken_50]

I think someone they knew closely did it

[@sitesdaniel1986]

Was definitely Garth

[@pan8a]

Howard Stern had an ex-fbi profiler on his show. And he actually worked on the Ramsey case and he said his gut feeling. Is that the mom beat her to death and the family covered it up

[@louciphre2803]

Wilt did not inflate his numbers

[@stephenshilling6058]

Where are the bodies Tom?

[@mikebearup4379]

I was like if someone was a stalker and in the house for house before they got home they would of known the house, wrote a note and maybe seen his mail. Then a guy comes forward was like yea i was in the house for hours. John mark carr did it

[@greaseweeklygames]

I think the parents know more than they've ever admitted. I think they let someone get too close, for one reason or another (money, weird pride for "positive" attention toward their daughter, etc.) and it snowballed into someone doing this. They were so obviously lying that they have no clue about anything. If they gave a string to pull, everything would unravel and it would come to light that they "shopped" their daughter around in some weird way. I just always got the vibe they were hiding something, just dont know what... Thats my theory anyhow...

[@toochangz]

Boulder PD had them search theor own house then got mad the dad picked up his daughter when he found her. Then they tried to withhold the body for the funeral to force the parents to interview.

[@milli2385]

Tom’s point about not remembering details is spot on. If you look at the OJ case now as an adult it’s almost impossible to think he did it. Now I wonder if that’s why he was so cocky after he was acquitted

[@ianwhipple8842]

It’s impossible to think he didn’t do it lol people on the jury admitted they knew he was guilty and did not guilty votes due to Rodney kings beating. Simpson’s DNA was all over the scene.

[@KittyBoyLaCroix]

The dad obviously did it

[@GOOSE-1334]

I havent watched it but who is the suspect this week

[@kennhiser]

Tom says "like" a LOT

[@korbindallas4552]

Um.....

[@adhdodd6056]

I think it was the brother

[@whitey3624]

There has been tons of specials and docs on this case most all of them point at the family. Netflix did a good job of making them look innocent but if you watched any of the other ones you will me convinced they killed her.

[@dmaguire303]

And that’s why CBS had to pay Burke close to a billion dollars

[@nadasurf9009]

ALL OF THOSE AWARDS THAT SHE SUPPOSEDLY WON NEVER EXISTED.

[@codydriver6413]

I seriously doubt the dad was leading the child pageant train... he was prob just like, ok if she wants to do it. Leave these people alone unless there is hard proof, not speculation.

[@saturdaynighto74261]

'They didnt know what theyre doing' Next sentence 'That guy, lou wit or something' These guys know nothing. Liars just like john ramsey. Tom segura talking about the kids in pangeants, yet used his kid in his netflix special in a terrible way. Smh

[@lonestarhomepro]

Henry Lee Lucas...

[@rickharper3940]

has anybody thought about what if there WERE a foreign faction? lockheed make war stuff. perhaps the whole idea was just to punish ANYBODY who made war with their gear. they made it look good but i dunno...i'm still wondering why those three 8.5x11 sheets of paper are laid out that way. the ORIGINALS as i've read were from a yellow lined pad, opened from the top and were one of those 7x5 pads, and blown up for publication. definitely a photocopy. is any body sure the real notes were tested for prints/DNA? police did things so badly they probably tested a blown up copy, as is shown on the stairs, IF wherever i read it was from a smaller pad - is correct. regards. G'bless.

[@justinbusse9739]

Find the one who shaved Tom's beard, then you'll find the killer.

[@alexanderh9878]

The family did it.

[@Plantedbetta]

It was the bother it was accident then he tried reviving her with the train track to the neck like he seen on TV … everything was to protect him being so young … it’s sad no one else can see it

[@dmaguire303]

It’s sad you believe everything you see on TV. It wasn’t the son and people like you continue destroying his life.

[@KarlMarxhaswifi]

The thing about that theory is that it paints the parents as idiots who made the most irrational choices. It makes no sense. It’s as if these people weren’t successful and had resources in order to help their 9 year old get a lenient sentence. There’s a few details in regards to that theory that don’t add up.

[@Ryan-kc5pl]

Was the mom. If you've ever interviewed a suspect, you can see its her in her interviews with cops

[@LanceCan-b9d]

​@@KarlMarxhaswifiyou've already lost one child no matter how messed up it is you don't want to loose another till he would Possibly released at 21 there is no lenient sentence as in short with psychiatric incarceration

[@Paddistic]

I think based on some evidence-blunt object (flashlight) and taser, I wouldn’t be surprised if a cop was involved. That one officer that was interviewed had “crazy eyes” and the narco detective acted “all for the money” by putting out that book have odd behavior in this case. Also, think how the BPD handled the DNA evidence.

[@dmaguire303]

Now we’re cooking. I like this theory.