Interpreting Adam and Eve, Lilith, and the Giants of the Bible

[@stevenhyde1697]

"Do you think this happened?" "Yes, as if it were real", "So yes?" "No". Bro.....

[@JacquelineWachell]

Not at all, the guy is delusional... .. its all Law code and Allegory!! Totally GAPING That EVERY COURT HOUSE HAS A BIBLE!! WHY??? CAUSE ITs NOT A RELIGION, IF IT WAS IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE PUBLIC COURT HOUSE... RIGHT!!

[@ThePreafericitu]

That i was thinking.. like man what are you saying? 😂

[@Narcolepzi]

Word🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@israelizzyyarrashamiaak766]

I began reading comments to see if I’m the only one who feels like he’s saying a lot of words but not making any sense. He says something - then contradicts his own statement. Maybe he’s drunk

[@ThePreafericitu]

@@israelizzyyarrashamiaak766 i think sometimes, when u think about most profound thoughts ,it makes some sens in your mind , but you cant explain in words .it happens to me many times when i am speaking with my friends , maybe he think about something that he dont know how to put in words . The best on explaining profound thoughts is sadhguru in my opinion.

[@DCHeat]

We need Wesley Huff on JRE !

[@jimmyups]

Yes! Get Wes Huff on here. People need to hear Billy Carson debunked.

[@t24_yt26]

Will huff ftw

[@shammgxddfromtheway6840]

KZbin basketball og 🙏🏽🔥

[@shammgxddfromtheway6840]

@@jimmyupsthey dropped the full debate on Wesley’s channel

[@christiansayers4747]

No we don’t, wes says a whole bunch of shit that sounds nice that isn’t nothing at all stop the dogma

[@NicKennelty]

He was not the guy to explain the Bible.

[@rodneyfreeman2550]

He never tried to explain anything he tried to protect both sides from both aspects he was a single laid lawyer for both sides

[@LukeBoi-x8x]

Got created the devil. Woman eats apple 🍎 god said not to, convinced by talking snake. God punishes us all forever. Great story. Great god.

[@princybella6]

​@@LukeBoi-x8x Don't blame GOD for your actions.

[@TheQA247]

Agreed. He got the Lilith story all wrong. As I've come to learn it from different sources, including Kabalah, Lilith was created the same way as Adam and therefore his equal. Lilith refused to be "the bottom" literally and figuratively to Adam. She was a "woman on top" kinda gal. She also dabbled in things she she shouldn't have. God heard Adam and kicked her out. Time passes and she meets up with Caine. Together they wind up creating all the evil creatures of mythology. In some wiccan circles, Lilith is revered as the both the first witch, and a nad ass boss bitch feminist. But the bible is rampant with misogyny and the Lilith story is another aspersion against strong women.

[@goatunherd2357]

@@TheQA247 🤣🤣🤣 she was a seducer of men and killed children in the bible. What you are referring to is jewish mythology written in the 8th century with no other historical account.

[@boise_computer_repair]

I thought Lilith was Adam's first wife. She was created the same as Adam was, and as such, she refused to be subject to him, and so she left him for an angel, probably Samael AKA Satan. Then Eve (Hava) was created using one of Adam's ribs, and so she was subject to him. Meanwhile, Lilith went off and spawned another lineage of people and/or demons. This is why Lilith is kind of the goddess of the feminists. I could be wrong, been awhile since I heard of this story.

[@itsjustahemi]

Lilith was created from Jewish folklore

[@gelliohumberto5858]

Sounds accurate to me but I’m just “this guy”!🥸

[@12345stl]

It’s not in my bible

[@boise_computer_repair]

​@@12345stl This is just deep dive info I've heard about in regards to origins and beliefs of the core ultra feminists. It comes from extra Jewish texts, Cabal stuff, the Talmud, whatever; however, some say Isaiah 34:14 refers to Lilith.

[@Spacecadet690]

lilith spawned what people refer to as "lizard people"

[@lorenknowles1521]

His explanation is as clear as mud.

[@GilbertKisling]

as if

[@vintagesteel]

As a Christian, I do not agree with what he said.

[@Robert_H_Diver]

Yea he didn’t make any sense. Didn’t do himself any favors.

[@user-eb9hy4yq6m]

Right

[@andrewroberts7965]

Well it’s “as if “ it’s clear as mud

[@SR-qq8ub]

Imagine being this guy's kid and asking if Santa was real. 1hr of vacillations later and you just dont care anymore.

[@85938odjejdigoe]

Bruh that's the worst. Some peeps can make the most interesting things boooooring

[@jeffhatmaker817]

😂😂.. Exactly. On a side note, hopefully Rogan is opening his heart to the love of God.

[@balam5536]

😂😂😂

[@SeanKecskes]

It's as if he were real.

[@christophercook9745]

@@jeffhatmaker817 which god? do you mean one of the 8,000 which are worshipped today or one of the 30,000 which have been worshipped in the past?....or...dont tell me...the one you worship is the one ? or they are all one god?

[@heff434]

This guy sounds like me writing out an essay question on my final at the end of the semester

[@TheBrennanSchafer]

An essay you wrote as if you knew the answer.

[@jamaanders1817]

You win

[@SatchDean]

So you're saying this guy tried to bullshit his way through it. 100%.

[@Zennofobic]

man I wrote some garbled nonsense hopped up on caffeine pills

[@meganbarry6138]

Thats how our vice president talks. Hownshe talks is how i would answer an essay question that i didnt know the answer to.. so I'd basically rewrite the question 5 different ways 😂

[@90sBabyShow]

Had to pull the car over to check the comments on this. And I'm not disappointed. 😂

[@JAMMAJ-cq2bl]

Neither am I😂

[@ramcherfelix6818]

Wtf is this Guy saying?? He’s gonna make people think Joe Rogan believes in Dragons again.

[@greasher926]

It’s as if Dragons are real 😂

[@TRUMP20Z4]

You sound like a fool.

[@TRUMP20Z4]

@@greasher926 were real* They are all over most world cultures and had bird like bones.

[@hannibalb8070]

@@TRUMP20Z4 joes new trumper fanboys really are the dumbest losers alive

[@ghandiman]

Again?? Didn’t know he stopped.

[@pertybluestang]

It was AS IF this guy hasn't explained this before.

[@shannonschaerer1010]

LOL!!

[@lr3682]

[@GilbertKisling]

as if

[@user-bg3dq1fu8v]

That’s because he was lying for half of it

[@MrTornoTube]

His answers are so annoying

[@HempnotizedJ_420]

This was the hardest JRE clip to sit through in my memory bank

[@wurlitzer78]

It’s as if it was the hardest Rogan clip to sit through.

[@peytonrodgers24]

@@wurlitzer78 …as if it were real😂

[@jakeschmidt4320]

But it was real and it all made sense when you stopped thinking about it

[@sicknado]

Clearly...

[@Chuck8541]

"...and a snake talked Eve into eating that apple, and everything got fu@ked..." lolol I love Joe.

[@φυλακή13]

Dr. ammon hillman is exposing all these bs lies

[@MT_MC05]

Fruit not apple

[@ME143-c1d]

​@@MT_MC05Outside of Europe it's always (3K yrs) been portrayed as a Pomegranate

[@gelliohumberto5858]

Language we can understand!👍😁🇺🇸

[@abel2933]

Taking fruit , or forcefully acquiring a Role with pride...without humility is condemnable to death by ORDER itself. And is seen as disobedience by THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. Thus will leave you to your own will, thus one become a slave of his own and to whomever is willing to subjugate him around him.

[@AllenJohn]

@02:55 According to this midrash, Lilith was Adam's first wife, created from the same earth as him, making them equals. However, Lilith refused to be subservient to Adam, leading to conflict. She uttered the divine name of God, fled the Garden of Eden, and became associated with demonic activity. God then created Eve from Adam's rib as a more compliant partner.

[@avrildixon7291]

The name Lilith is mentioned in the bible only once.. .I can't remember exactly where tho.. maybe Isaiah.

[@kael3691]

She was never the wife of Adam. Eve was and is Adam first and only wife. Demonic activity and the very name demon did not appear until after the flood. For their origin came about after the flood, since that spirit is that of the Giants.

[@SillySausage787]

So the first woman on earth left him and the 2nd got him kicked out of Eden

[@seeglines]

Lilith is historically connected to Babylonian religion.

[@ajnakana460]

Came here to comment this. This guest on the other hand seemed to come up with his own story (ironically after calling out the “imagination” of others) of Adam started hooking up with Lilith (no explanation where did she conveniently pop up from ) after Eve stopped sleeping with him after their expulsion from Eden.

[@Dremth]

I never seen someone dance so hard around the word "metaphor."

[@jaymeister26]

Reminds me of that scene in Dodgeball when White Goodman is showing of his paintings to Kate: "Yeah, that's me taking the bull by the horns... It's a metaphor... But that actually happened though."

[@tomosvarijudit2291]

😂😂😂

[@BuIIet]

He had to because he said early in the full interview that he doesn’t see it as metaphorical

[@flux4225]

Allegory

[@φυλακή13]

listen to Dr. Ammon Hillman. truth is coming

[@jeff_uchiha]

I don’t even think this guy is sure of what he is even saying , just talking in circles

[@clayed3311]

It’s the Joe Rogan show. He’s high as a kite. Soooo…..

[@φυλακή13]

Dr. Ammon Hillman is feared by these people for a reason. lies are being exposed and there's no more denying it.

[@jfowler53]

Its as if Hes sure

[@quintonmiller8266]

He is. Its hard to explained. It was way more advanced back then.

[@BamSiC7]

Bingo!! This guy sounds confused as me

[@anna-y6e6b]

Joe, I love you! I just love you being so blunt and direct about the things you don't know, and at the same time you are very curious and open to new things! You're a great role model for a lot of people.

[@KaijuKing117]

Love that people are calling for Wes Huff to be on, that would be so cool!

[@mrmjunhy]

And bring on Mauro Biglino!

[@samesince88ZP]

I'd argue for Jay Dyer over Wes more fun more real and his +1 is the dare i say equally fantastic

[@noahziegler3478]

It would be so cool to have a live stream of Billy watching Wes on Joe Rogan lol

[@1991Cam]

Wes is just the new sensation. ..that's all has a lot still learn and not really accurate.

[@mandacupcakes83]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@my85honda]

Wes Huff is the biblical scholar that could answer your questions Joe, I know you’re seeking hard facts and he’s well equipped.

[@daveonezero6258]

New Testament scholar. He doesn’t know everything about the OT. He is actually just all about the paper and how old books were put together.

[@aureum7479]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@daveonezero6258He specialises in the New Testament, that’s not to say he doesn’t understand the OT He can also speak ancient Hebrew

[@WeednDBZ]

​@@aureum7479he isn't as knowledgeable as yall think bro.

[@BeneathTheFoogyDew]

​@@WeednDBZ name check, opinion disregarded.

[@autisticphaglosophy7128]

@@WeednDBZ He knows about as much as any other NT biblical scholar he's not the best in the field but he's leagues above Billy and any other new age gurus.

[@KurtG-nn2cz]

Lilith , wife of Dr. Frasier Crane.

[@S810IC]

Not a coincidence. 😅

[@anthonymartinez6688]

Love that show

[@rosscampbell1173]

Only other time I’ve heard that name.

[@Wytedevil]

​@@anthonymartinez6688Best show of all time imo

[@TheNeighborOnThe3rdFloor]

Don’t forget about the Lilith Fair music festival. That was late 90s progressivism

[@danielleemmett5747]

This was the wrong person to ask about the Bible or explain anything… I’m a Christian and I was confused

[@kevinj4862]

Joe has Wes Huff coming on next week. Much better person to explain Christianity

[@Austinite333]

Snakes talk. Just listen to politicians 😅

[@meruluss]

They speak with forked tongue

[@gracelife6551]

😂😂😂

[@owdeezstrauz]

It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that a snake talked.

[@kael3691]

The book of records does. Though it was not a snake, but Satan himself since Nahash in Hebrew translates to Shining One. When Adam, Eve and Satan were driven out of the Garden, so were all the animals and on that day their mouths were shut for their sake.

[@bryandelcid4065]

Definitely 😂

[@rocket1950]

Rogan talks about entities talking to him all the time, in a place that feels "more real" than reality here. Yet 1 talking snake is where he draws the line. Why

[@Pneumanon]

If the guest just said that the snake spoke to Eve via some form of imaginal, mystical, dream or psychedelic experience what he was saying would have made sense. Instead the guy just babbled without explaining what he meant.

[@rocket1950]

@ He was long winded explaining the story but his point was that what the bible said was really what happened. In this reality a talking snake talked to Eve. This isn’t that far off from Joe talking about his own experiences with “entities” and taking what they say as real. Yet he acts this story is so outlandish and unbelievable. That’s all my point is.

[@squarecrusher]

because he's a freemason, wake up

[@christophercook9745]

yeah crazy huh? i come across talking snakes all the time

[@SatchDean]

I don't think he drew the line there. It's just that the guest did such a horrible job explaining it, Joe had no idea wtf he was saying.

[@jasonmartinez9909]

PLEASE get Wesley Huff on here.

[@jimmyups]

That would be awesome!

[@NineGoddessproductions]

Nah

[@ChildofGod990]

Yes!

[@Utnapishtim4563]

So the JRE was the endgame. Thanks

[@Mr50403]

Read your Bible, don't let another man tell you!

[@louiethexiii1]

This interview shows why Joe is the number 1 podcast… he’s so collected and patient… this guy talking in ridiculous circles and Joe was just so calm and not condescending…. This is why i don’t need a podcast cause as the host with a guest like this, I’d be the opposite…. Joe is great

[@timalligood2500]

Would love to see Wes Huff on JRE!

[@yyyhhh8481]

who?

[@NotRealPhil]

Wendigoon bout to lose it over this clip

[@JanuelWithGlasses]

Bro needs to do another Sunday Service. Out of all the videos he did, those readings were informative and helpful.

[@AEWLEE]

This guy has no idea what he's trying to say

[@Therealcarolinaguy]

HE said literally nothing. "Well as if he were saying something, but not"

[@mwng5186]

Have you read or watched "dmt the spirit molecule" Rick was responsible for that. A very cautious, humble measured and insightful man.

[@Llama_Bahama]

He does, its just very hard to articulate. He is talking about real truth. Truth that is and always has been. Think of software. Eve literally eating an apple by a tree is the front end UI we all see as "true". But the real truth is the backend software code. That is the only way I can put it. I'm not saying it is a metaphorical. But it HAPPENED

[@raefvn]

The mundus imaginalis...

[@BryanLomax]

Why do people keep calling it an apple? It shows they haven't even read the bible. Everything they think they know about the biblical stories they just cobbled together from old paintings.

[@tylerchambers5808]

I love how Joe always goes to "it had to be psychedelics" for anything he doesn't understand.

[@ericrdutton]

Too bad he never had Michael Heiser on. That would have been interesting.

[@jimmyups]

I always wanted that to happen, I still hope Joe hears about his work debunking Sitchen at some point and brings it up.

[@johnmolloy4878]

So true...instead he's still parroting Sitchin BS. Heiser dismantled that story quite effectively. RIP Mike H.

[@jimmyups]

@FrankCostanza-y4m aw that’s too bad.

[@hodun8]

This would be awesome, I bet Joe would be fascinated!

[@strangetheology]

Graham Hancock mentioned Heiser on one of his episodes and Joe was familiar with his website debunking Sitchen. I often use Heiser clips when doing my reviews of JRE

[@wanderingtyson7590]

Get Wes Huff and Billy Carson on the pod. Would love to see the debate while both are in a studio and someone to actually let them talk.

[@Me-ne5uu]

There’s nothing to debate. Billy’s whole premise is based on fake documents, proven and admitted by scholars to be frauds. Billy has nothing to stand on not even an actual education. Not to mention he has previously been arrested for a fake identity caught with fake ID’s. Billy is such a fraud that’s it’s actually crazy he has fooled people this long. I even bought the emerald tablets book. The emerald tablets are a fabled they do not exist.

[@S810IC]

Billy just got his ass handed to him.

[@dndrmffln2960]

Billy Carson would walk off and call his lawyer

[@jeremysmith4777]

Who are thos guys and are they interesting should I take time to listen to them like I did this

[@anthonymartinez6688]

Billy got proven to be a snake oil salesman

[@BryanLomax]

Joe, get Wes Huff on!

[@jimmyups]

Agreed

[@tomorrowtodaylane]

After he bodied Billy Carson I mean wow bro was just pumping bullshit on major podcasts lmao

[@garybowman5783]

😂😂 yea. Because all history means nothing if the roman pedophiles don't say so. Because Christianity just has such a peaceful history right. Such willing believers for the first 1600 years😂😂

[@autisticphaglosophy7128]

Wes Huff mentioned that Joe doesn't bring on guests people are clamoring for just one's he himself is interested in so it's not likely and he isn't really even among the best in his field scholars like Dan Wallace or Peter J Williams who have many more decades of research in NT matters would be better but unlikely they'd be brought on as well.

[@ChildofGod990]

Do it Joe Rogan!

[@300AdamB]

Rick dead ass trying to trying to convince us snakes could talk is too funny 😂💀

[@billycarr1254]

Joe: "Boy, that's obscure!" Says it all...

[@TalentedMisterHeat8]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@roomwithapointofview]

" *Man will believe anything* , *as long as it's not in the Bible* " _Napoleon_

[@codymeltdown3539]

People will also believe anything that's in the Bible. I.E. people will believe literally anything.

[@christophercook9745]

@@codymeltdown3539 they believe what suits their purpose and dispell anything which doesnt. this is why religious people are so tiring

[@roomwithapointofview]

@@codymeltdown3539 Do you know about the path of the ocular nerve? They used to think it went through the logic center and then other parts of the brain. It turns out that it goes first, through the Limbic system. Your emotion center. That means everything you will see in the future, with be tainted by what you have seen, heard or thought in the past, and whether you accept it or not. See it as a positive or a negative. This is why Grandma faints at the sight of a papercut, but little Johnny, raised on gore movies, stares. Why music soothes the savage beast, but loud rap makes Grandpa lose it. And I'm not sure anyone who believes they are the common ancestor of a sponge, with nothing more than someone in a white lab coat with a clipboard assuming it without hard evidence Objective truth, yet not understand that they are no different than those believing the Bible, just believing what they were indoctrinated into believing. I used to be a believer, but then logic, objective fact, and Yeshua showed me how to properly falsify. Now I know the difference between believing and knowing.. It would cause, this long after his experiment, Stanly Milgram to shake his head in shame.

[@roomwithapointofview]

@@christophercook9745 " @christophercook9745 18 minutes ago @codymeltdown3539 they believe what suits their purpose and dispell anything which doesnt. this is why religious people are so tiring"(sic) This reads like a projection. You do understand the word religion has a definition? That for a religion to exist, no deity, God or gods be involved? Like Buddhism, or Darwinianism. The statement can be true, but not only apply to the people you call religious. " re·li·gion /rəˈlij(ə)n/ noun -the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers- , -especially a God or gods- . "ideas about the relationship between science and religion" -a particular system of faith and worship- . plural noun: religions "the world's great religions" *_a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance_* . " *Darwinianism is the new religion* ""

[@roomwithapointofview]

@@codymeltdown3539 Second attempt, YT or someone removing posts to protect you from being educated on the fact that all yoyu was project. Some people believe they evolved from a sponge also. With less evidence than the Bible.

[@tysonbolton]

This dude is doing everything but answering the questions

[@shannonschaerer1010]

He's obviously read the Bible, but he can not remember the order of when whatever story happened, which makes it MUCH harder to answer questions. Plus, he's a poor speaker, which makes it hard to understand any point he may be trying to make. He seems confused, so answering questions must be hard for him to do.

[@varminttank]

Well said

[@tomascienfuegos5200]

Hey Joe. I would like to recommend an amazing book that was written in the late 1800’s. The book gives the full history of the beginning of evil. Book name is ( Patriarchs And Prophets )

[@stevey2741]

The Bible never mentions an apple. Eve did not get all the blame for the fall.

[@crafty1098]

There's actually a fascinating argument among theologists about what the fruit actually was. Grapes, pomegranates, apples... one guy even suggested it was wheat.

[@GilbertKisling]

as if

[@myfeastsorfamine7783]

Adam was charged to "guard" the garden. From what? From whom? The word "guard" is a strong, clear command in the original Hebrew. He was warned, was with Eve and did not speak up. But it is rather moot since we have carried on since then and are personally responsible for doing much the same ever since.

[@jakeschmidt4320]

​@@myfeastsorfamine7783 trust no man

[@ProSto7343]

If you really want to know the truth, it was actually an eggplant 🍆

[@AidenWilliams-kq3rf]

If Rogan wants to talk about the Bible, he should get some real theologians, Bible scholars and Pastors on the show. I personally would love to see that interaction. Maybe John Piper, Paul Washer, Douglas Wilson? Men like that. Biblically trained and changed men

[@haydendupree8032]

Disagree. As much as I like those men they are not scholars

[@edbernardmusic3599]

@@haydendupree8032 Michael Heiser would have been the man for the job.

[@alandillon6469]

@@edbernardmusic3599 Good pick, I'd also say Chuck Missler, he was very intelligent

[@professionalamateur849]

Theologians, seminarian, and bible scholars know shit about fuck. Get a real PhD. classicist or historian.

[@DukeRaoul-69]

Joe needs to get Dr. Hillman on. Ideally in a discussion with Wesley Huff.

[@jimmyups]

That might be an epic conversation.

[@Crystal.Calvin]

Yyyeeesssssss

[@Snaketamer-w4y]

THAT'S entertainment!

[@locke112290]

Much respect for this speaker tip-toeing around the subject in the manner he did, without destroying its journey in meaning. Very well put while preserving it for the reader to find out for themself. Much respect

[@Follower-of-Yahusha14]

After recent events in biblical discussions, I would honestly love to see Joe Rogan have Wes Huff on as a guest. Dude has done his historical due diligence of studying the “facts” and biblical writings! Also it’s absolutely amazing to see Joe talking, discussing, and thinking about these kinds of subjects! 🙌🏼 Keep praying for Joe and his family! Also 🙏🏼 for Jamie 😎

[@jimmyups]

Agreed, I’m glad so many other people want to see this too

[@SupremeWillis]

@@jimmyupswe want to see him get recked on the show because it’s not real 😂 it’s so funny how people think gods real and that the Bible is factual and gods word

[@SupremeWillis]

Gods not real dude and Joe like the vast majority of people don’t believe because it’s just a bunch of bullshit the Bible isn’t gods word it’s man’s word and the Bible is just story’s and myths nothing factual. Like Moses and the Jews that didn’t happen there would have been around 2.2 million Jews wondering the desert with almost no water or wildlife there’s no proof at all till this day that the Jews were wandering the desert looking for Israel nothing at all can prove it happened no artifacts or signs of life have been found from them. Another one is the flood that supposedly killed everyone but the people and animals on the ark we have ancient Chinese writings from the supposed time of the flood and not one thing ever mentions the world flooding and you really belive every apex animal was on the ark peacefully 😂. Adam and Eve is another one it would be impossible for them to populate the world everyone would have been incest then and you think a talking snake made her eat some forbidden fruit 😂 the Bible is just a book made by man to make people conform and we have physical proof of historical figures from that time but not one thing that can prove Jesus was real

[@aquine3130]

This is so funny. Guy has literally no idea about anything Joe says. Did the booked guest pull out last minute and this was the only person standing at the nearest bus stop 😂

[@Quickben591]

😂😂😂 So true. He was just making shit up as he went.

[@ExplodingGopherMagic]

He’s done some groundbreaking psychedelic research, but he’s also old and doesn’t seem to be 100% himself anymore

[@Jack-fd8cx]

I am Christian. Idk about the dude's explanations. But fucking LOVE Joe freakin Rogan giving him a platform and not just shutting him down for the "snakes talk" bit, like for real massive respect. God Bless this podcast bro!

[@waliky2002]

I was confused, now I’m confused and I can not go to sleep.

[@csc3857]

This convo. Is peak jre

[@BullittOutdoors]

There was a talking snake? Yea So an actual talking snake? Well no So what was it? It was a talking snake Was Eve on drugs? Kinda like DMT sure So Eve wasn’t actually talking to a snake? Well she was

[@matthewsensenig8968]

@@BullittOutdoors BRO, I was SO confused lol

[@edwinjoseph2318]

Joe get Wes Huff on the podddddd

[@adamburling9551]

Nah. He's a religious person he would be eaten alive

[@Me-ne5uu]

@@adamburling9551 clearly you didn’t watch the debate. Wes is a scholar who has valid information and Billy has been 100% proven a fraud. Everything he says is based off of proven fraudulent documents 😂 his goose is cooked

[@robadob55]

@@adamburling9551 he's a professional Apologist who specializes in ancient languages and manuscripts. He can speak multiple languages including Coptic Greek etc. He would be fine.

[@jimmyups]

I second that. That podcast would be legendary

[@just_a_guy10]

⁠​⁠@@adamburling9551then more reason to bring him on no? Lol for the conversation and to show the world he is wrong according to you no?

[@dalep79ful]

We need Wes ❤

[@christiansayers4747]

No we don’t . Dude talks a lot sounds good but don’t say shit about anything

[@dalep79ful]

@@christiansayers4747 your a bot

[@dalep79ful]

@christiansayers4747 bot

[@RestoWings_Co]

@@christiansayers4747 give examples bud this he say she say is useless

[@aureum7479]

@@christiansayers4747prove it

[@jefflabbecomedy]

Y'all remember that clip from American Dad when Roger checks his tune and pitch with a little harmonica and just sings "nooooooooo" 😂

[@Azreal420]

2:29 Yeah, no… Lilith was created BEFORE Eve…. This guy is full of crap. Need people who know what they’re talking about.

[@Azreal420]

Pulling shit out of his ass, left and right… 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@sck1326]

It's like they've never even played Diablo.

[@goatunherd2357]

Where is your source? no scripture or ancient writing claim this, lillith being adams first wife is in jewish mythology written in the 8th to 10th century AD.

[@beatlefan713]

@@goatunherd2357ya there’s nothing Biblical about Lilith at all! She’s a myth!

[@goatunherd2357]

@@beatlefan713 lillith in scripture in Isaiah is refered to as a demon, child slayer, seducer. But definately not adams first wife.

[@515Earl]

This interview struck me as Joe Rogan playing the part of Alice in Wonderland, asking questions, and Rick is the Cheshire Cat answering whilst tripping balls.

[@xskillzdatki11x]

I had an insane 25C psychedelic experience where I left my body and some type of “entities” borough me to outer space to a golden city and told me that is where I was going to go when I die. There were massive cat statues made out of gold as well. I also had a near death experience while surfing the day before a hurricane hit here in FL, and although I didn’t have any visions, I felt the same exact peace and calm that I did on my trip. I almost drowned and was completely ready to die. A voice in my head that I heard loud and clear told me it wasn’t my time yet and I somehow survived. Too long of a story to share here but it was wild

[@tyquin1414]

Did that voice in your head sound like your own at first? And then you realized it sounded like you but wasnt?

[@xskillzdatki11x]

@ I didn’t write this in my original comment but the “entities” were talking to me throughout my whole out of body experience. I had on a LoFi mix so no voices. But maybe, I can’t say it sounded like my own voice at the beach. I remember it being feminine and/or really soothing like the voices that were talking to me on my trip. More of like a soft and gentle voice. My voice is chill but pretty deep. I can see it being my voice at first now that I’m really thinking about it. I was just waiting to die and in my head, I said “wait what?” And the voice repeated word for word a 2nd time and that’s what I remember most.

[@xskillzdatki11x]

@@tyquin1414 Did you have something similar happen to you?

[@tyquin1414]

@@xskillzdatki11x eh not really, kind of the same but very different if you catch my drift. I’d love to tell you my story but that would be a miserable experience attempting to type it all out here 😂

[@johnfenwick3083]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Let's hope we all make it to the golden city.

[@xlm4life]

I recommend having a orthodox rabbi on to help explain all the confusion on the torah and midrash...very fascinating

[@TheDrewjay]

Lilith was created for drama in undramatic times. On the road to babylon the Jewish diaspora needed to be kept engaged in some drama to keep the moral up. So they made her up.

[@paulschuckman6604]

She is based on the Lilitu who were the wailing women looking for their stolen daughters. It is also where the story of Persephone and Hades comes from. Which is interesting because the Bene Elohim (sons of false Pantheon) are the ones who stole their daughters.

[@kael3691]

Exactly, Lilith was never real.

[@GilbertKisling]

I think when Kane went to the land of Nod, Lilith was his girl, as if.

[@CamMackay96]

It's all made up anyway

[@oskarskalski2982]

They made her up? .... like any of other things in genesis are real?

[@joseg3102]

"As if it were real" I am still trying to figure this out . . . 😮‍💨

[@cmeeoutdoors7556]

He has a very strange way of expressing his thoughts.

[@geoffhoutman1557]

Guy is as fruity as Sitchen

[@crafty1098]

Yeah seems like a psychology thing to me. He focuses on the state of mind of the reader, so if THEY believe it's true, then he needs to believe it also, at least for the purposes of understanding the reader's thinking.

[@3munchenman]

He is saying he believes the story was literally real.

[@northmemphisboy]

No disrespect Joe but this conversation is confusing as hell and crazy

[@GilbertKisling]

as if

[@christophercook9745]

yeah i find religion really confusing too. like wheres the proof? the facts? cos if it were fact everyone would surely be a believer

[@profshrooms]

15 minutes and i cannot tell you a single thing this guy said

[@robertleczo5971]

The only thing I took away from this 15 minutes is snakes use to be able to talk.

[@jfowler53]

As if it was 15 minutes

[@billycrunches8117]

Sam Tripoli was the one who brought up Lilith recently

[@NorthLVLowRoller]

Why do some many people get into topics that they dont know well? He probably knows more than Billy Carlson but this was equal to some Billy stuff. Joe, have on Wes Huff and get some real facts.

[@jimmyups]

For real

[@christophercook9745]

what real facts exist about gods existence? there arent any. if there were, surely everyone would be a believer because it could easily be proven

[@leoanthony7947]

"as if it were real" ...wtf...does that even mean?

[@ktw5141]

faith

[@joelmccallum]

"Are you a different animal in the same beast"

[@leoanthony7947]

@ktw5141 so if I believe it...that makes it so...

[@greasher926]

It’s like a dream, in the moment it seams to be real, and you act as if it were real, but then you wake up and you realize it wasn’t, but it still feels real. Or when everyone believes in something, even if it isn’t true, it pretty much becomes real, because everyone acts as if it so. For example there was a time when most people thought the world was flat and in their lived experience it was, even though it actually wasn’t.

[@JamesWilliams-i4z]

good podcast, definitely like it.

[@unknownsamoan01]

Snake 🐍 “I didn’t say anything, I can’t even talk!” … as he spoke and pleaded his innocence 😂

[@paulschuckman6604]

נָחָשׁ nachash {naw-khawsh'} Means snake or serpent but it can also mean People of the Snake as Nakash becomes Nagash and eventually Nagas.

[@kael3691]

Also translated to Shining One

[@ricosolomon]

his story of Lilith was strange. Never have I heard that version. The version in the hebrew bible makes more sense (if any of it actually does..)

[@IfYouSeekCaveman]

Lilith is not mentioned in the Hebrew bible. There are some translations of Isaiah which use the word Lilith, but it's talking about scary night creatures, not the Lilith of legend.

[@michaeltucker8288]

JR: so it literally happened Rick: No, not literally. JR: so metaphorical Rick: No, as if it were real JR: so a psychedelic experience Rick: No, as it was real in that world Wtf?

[@φυλακή13]

Listen to Dr. Ammon Hillman. time for truth is coming.

[@BryanLomax]

@@michaeltucker8288 🤣 when I see it written down it sounds even more stupid in my head.

[@gavinmook116]

Lmao-the snake’s like, “I can’t even talk!!”

[@planes3333]

When talking about scapegoats. This is Jesus. That God himself would come down to earth, become a human, walk among us. Teaching, undoing the satanic curses, blessing everyone and dying for our sins.

[@jamesdemile4181]

Scapegoat for what exactly?

[@nunya931]

...and rose again from the dead, by His own power, in a body. And is seated in the Heavens, but will return again someday to open a can of whupass and set things right again. Makes sense, being the Creator of the universe and the author of time itself.

[@nunya931]

@@jamesdemile4181 For sin. A person can believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and He will take your sins upon himself. He's already paid the price. Like the scape goat, you can put that on Jesus and he'll take that away for you. But if you don't want that, you can head to the same place prepared for the devil and his allies. Free will and all that...

[@jonathansoko1085]

​@@jamesdemile4181to make a long story short the Jewish people were given the laws to live by. None of them could perfectly live them out, Jesus came and is the only person in human history too perfectly keep the entire system of the law and he did so because we couldn't do it and he died for everyone who should have died for breaking those laws.

[@christophercook9745]

come down? from the sky?

[@moosedip1908]

The fact so many will be led a stray from this conversation is a tragedy

[@shannonschaerer1010]

EVERYTHING in this conversation is a tragedy!!

[@GilbertKisling]

as if

[@aaronellingsen5404]

Pretty much every episode of JRE leads people astray. Nothing new going on here.

[@TheDrewjay]

The bible says Cain lived however...and you ignore his having an actual lineage on this planet.

[@MyersTheShape1978]

Well, yeah, because the Bible is horseshit nonsense. Try to keep up.

[@juliasugarbaker9032]

Noah’s is the line that survived after the flood. Noah was a descendent of Seth, Adam and Eve’s 3rd and youngest son. Cain’s line did not survive the flood

[@crafty1098]

@@juliasugarbaker9032 We don't know the full ancestry of Noah and his wife, so it's possible that some of Cain's descendants intermarried with Seth's descendants and survived the flood through Noah's family.

[@MichaelConMusic]

This is exactly why I can't have a conversation with a religious person about the bible. "I think a snake talked eve out of eating an apple" ahh yes. The snake who speaks ancient Samarian seems legit

[@ISLAND_THUNDER]

Rick Strassman wrote “The Spirit Molecule” and pioneered DMT research in the 90’s that sparked the third wave of psychedelic research. Show some respect, folks🙏🏽

[@patrickhamer3177]

110 percent agree, there was agreat doc. Remember him from then

[@drewelement27]

Then he should talk about DMT. Not a sacred religious text he has no background or authority to speak on.

[@butlervmax]

Take a shot every time he says “y’know”

[@christophercook9745]

at what?

[@juancarlostorres4173]

I would have alcohol poisoning if I did that 🥵

[@SBW86]

Oh man…Had t noticed but once you do, it’s all you hear 🤣

[@AlexanderLunariusG7]

I’m pretty sure Elon Musk brought Lilith up, since he’s a Diablo fan.

[@kalandarkclaw8892]

Or he has read the epic of Gilgamesh

[@AlexanderLunariusG7]

@ Sure, or that.

[@captainhawk8229]

😂😂 he said snakes can talk!..

[@CraveSnowForGold]

I sense wes huff episode in a matter of two weeks 🤓☝️

[@jimmyups]

I hope you’re right

[@CraveSnowForGold]

@@jimmyups seems i was right 😌

[@jimmyups]

@@CraveSnowForGold fr?

[@JW-dc8hk]

It reminds me of some episodes from Supernatural. I guess a lot of the writers got their content from old lore and bible stories and references.

[@jlov76]

10:00 ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!

[@RSi-w5t]

That look Joe hit him with at the end when Joe asked him if giants were real😂😂😂

[@DrBlack1987]

Or….. it’s a story. Imagine people in 1000s of years time finding lord of the rings and thinking it’s something that happened ignoring all of science.

[@DrBlack1987]

Religion. The best marketing machines ever created

[@dfwdeadshot9557]

@@DrBlack1987100%

[@dfwdeadshot9557]

@@DrBlack198710% church tax on the people lol

[@myfeastsorfamine7783]

Check out the first photo ever taken - the shroud of Turin.

[@Zielschmer]

Well, but the bible is actually a collection of books. And many books have accounts that are historically accurate. So even if you don't believe in God and the supernatural stuff that happens in the bible, you can't equate it to Lord of the Rings. Especially the New Testament, that is written as historical documents. What is said there has to be considered historical. Because most of human history is written by eyewitnesses, without any proof and we treat it as accurate. The New Testament is eyewitnesses accounts and letters exchanged in the first century.

[@FredHaro]

That's not the Lilith story at all

[@Drew.ct12]

Greg Laurie would be great to have on here. Joe maybe you should reach out to Greg to have on your show.

[@daveonezero6258]

I think he needs an apologetic, historian or expert. Not a pastor.

[@cohencohen7279]

Read "The perfect matrimony" by Samael Aun Weor

[@ConvergTV]

I really want to comment on this Lilith thing. She is mentioned in the Bible. Isaiah 34:14-15 14 The desert creatures will meet with hyenas, and one wild goat will call to another. There the night creaturef will settle and find her place of repose. 15 There the owl will make her nest; she will lay and hatch her eggs and gather her brood under her shadow. Even there the birds of prey will gather, each with its mate. There is so much more that plays into what is happening in our world.

[@mgpBLARG]

Lilith is not in the Bible because people chose to leave it out. The Bible is just a collection of old stories that passed down by word of mouth, it wasn't handed down to us by God.

[@TJbuffs]

I feel like you haven’t read the Bible

[@camdrury2501]

So you would believe the Bible if Lilith was included? That is your proof the Bible is illegitimate?

[@amandagiles1470]

Exactly why I don’t believe in it. it’s a book. People have made religion.

[@geoffhoutman1557]

It’s poorly edited. Different versions of the same story repeated, certain books left in, certain left out. Some of it is useful advice, some just a real estate brochure

[@robadob55]

@@amandagiles1470 There are 400,000 manuscripts, copies, and papyri of the stories and books of The Bible that predate the 4th century and through textual comparison you can prove what stories are accurate and consistent with the ancient texts.... Do you believe that the Iliad is accurate? or Heroditus or Plutarch? because their writings are used as accurate sources for most ancient history and they have way less copies to corroborate the accuracy of those works.

[@afflatus444]

14:31 wait a minute hold on in the book Moses says that there were Giants at that time and also after the flood. That’s where you get Goliath and his brothers and King Aga who had a bit that was like 13 feet long and 6 feet wide.

[@greasher926]

Goliath was about 7ft tall. The Bible would consider NBA players as giants.

[@21LAZgoo]

​@@greasher926 what i find strange is that even the old newspaper claims of skeletons 7-8 foot are dismissed as being just as far fetched as the 9-12 foot claims by mainstream science, when smithsonian in their own journals claimed to have found 17 skeletons between 7-8 feet. I think this is because if they say the 7-8 foot claims had truth to them, then they will also have to say that the 9-12 foot claims also had some truth to them. although thats just my opinion

[@greasher926]

@@21LAZgoo not all skeletons are preserved and tall people are rare as is, so having a preserved skeleton of one of them is even rarer. The tallest official prehistoric skeleton is of the Longshan Giant who was 6ft 4in. He lived in China over 4000 years ago. The tallest historical figure before the modern age was William Bradley aka the Yorkshire Giant. He lived between 10 February 1787 - 30 May 1820. He was 7ft 9in and was the tallest man in Britain ever recorded.

[@21LAZgoo]

@@greasher926 that is true yeah it is very rare for any skeleton to get preserved. also I never heard of that longshan 6 foot 4 skeleton thats very interesting, did it have a gigantism disorder or was it naturally 6 foot 4? also same question with the yorkshire giant. there is a 7 foot 2 skeleton of a woman which is also 4000 years old that is on display at the ganja state museum in azerbaijan, it is very obscurely known online. based off the images of the skeleton I dont think it has any growth disorders as the bones especially the leg bones look pretty robust, although thats just my opinion. I wonder if there are any other 7 foot or taller skeletons on display in other obscure museums in other eastern european/ west asian countries. there were reports in the early 1900s of a 7 foot 1 male skeleton also being found in azerbaijan, which was reported in the NY Times

[@21LAZgoo]

@@greasher926 if there is one place that i think there could possibly be a part of a 9-12 foot skeleton, i think it would be in these old former soviet countries.

[@kevinroelofs739]

Joe needs to bring on Ammon Hillman and his take on classical Greek interpretations.

[@robbiesmith1516]

Remember the snake was cursed by God to crawl the rest of its days. Who knows what form or how the snake looked in the beginning. Perhaps it was like the mythological dragons. It obviously wasnt unusual to talk to one. We will never know but its a fascinating story.

[@akaSUPERMAN]

No...

[@thomasskywalker8893]

Not really a curse for a snake…. 🐍

[@joeodonnell921]

Or it's not ment to be literal

[@S810IC]

That's not really the best translation. He was a seraphim I believe.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@S810IC Well, he embodied the snake.... which I'm kind of shocked wasn't brought up in the discussion.

[@Jokesonyou123]

5:50 wtf is this dude even saying

[@MrZachgonz]

Sounds like he insinuating that the story of Adam and Eve is either a vision or an hallucination by early people. Recorded to be their interpretation on how civilization and humanity began.

[@Jokesonyou123]

@ right nice one I had no idea what this dude was saying lol

[@oracleig]

He doesn't know... maybe he was listing to Billy Carson as a professor. 😂

[@samiro76]

Joe, invite Wes Huff if you really want to talk about the historical aspects of the Bible!

[@jameshausmann6786]

The word for serpent also translates to shining one. Who do we know that is bad that is shiny or bright in the Bible?

[@OnkelBermuda]

"I didn't tell her anything! I can't even talk" was funny as hell.

[@natinatyoutube]

Do the people who hate Joe Rogan actually watch his podcast ? We often forget that he talks with experts but is always able to conduct a great interview/conversation on all these different topics. Can we acknowledge how impressive that is ? He'a also very warm and just a nice guy I find. I'm sorry so many people criticize him for the wrong reasons.

[@TuckerUp]

Nope, they usually don’t watch. They just assume he is a meat head mma junkie. The self proclaimed open minded people love to be closed minded.

[@aureum7479]

The problem is he doesn’t talk with biblical experts

[@jakeschmidt4320]

There is no problem. What is a biblical expert? Joe sits down and talks to all on their thoughts and portays his. He's honest as it gets. He has talked to so many great minds that its hard for someone to come in and talk bullshit to him and i respect the hell out of that​@@aureum7479

[@jakeschmidt4320]

And for him to hold so much in his head. He goes off the cuff conversing with so many guests. Most people can't understand as much information as this guy let alone put it back out years later with a whole other guest.

[@Mr50403]

People like this. I thanked he was forced to go political. You cant say Epstein without saying Trump or Clinton. But people can't believe they both are nasty. They choose sides and say my guy is less nasty than your guy.

[@randymarsh9128]

Joe should watch Evangelion

[@mightybluespider]

Joe should get in the robot

[@iratepirate3896]

Unfortunately while NGE is great Anno has been on record saying all the western religious iconography was used because "it looked cool"; it has no deeper meaning. Unless Joe likes mech fights and/or Asuka he wont necessarily get much out of it

[@revelstatus2346]

@@iratepirate3896 That's what he wants you to believe

[@iratepirate3896]

@@revelstatus2346 You saying he's a prophet?

[@conlenodriscoll4464]

What is Joe even trying to say for half of this clip? Regardless if you believe it was Adam, Eve, and a snake or a warped telephone version of the story shouldn’t the teachings be the thing you worry about, which would be the same in both stories, not the semantics?

[@iamFracture]

Queen Lilith came first, before Eve. She was Adam’s first wife, then Eve came after. Origins within the story goes Lilith didn’t want to be controlled by Adam, she wanted to be on top of Adam in an intimate way but Adam wanted to be on the top; so they suffered great disagreements. So eventually Lilith left Adam and the Angel who stood before the gates of Eden, reconciled with her. Saying that she knows if she leaves Eden she could never return. And what’s outside of Eden is foreign to her for she’d be leading herself into the unknown. But … she left anyway. Then she became damned and is known as Queen of the underworld. Then God blessed Adam with Eve, and eventually after that I’m sure many of us know how the story goes. Not so much long after Lucifer’s fall, he eventually slithered his way into the garden and manipulated Eve into eating from the tree of forbidden fruit; in which she did. Then Adam did as well. And now this is why we are all in Hell. Essentially it seems to me that we are all paying for our parents sins, but we’ll make it through. God has us as long as we have Him. If I must state some scripture for all to become accustomed to, especially within the stages of the world we currently live in would be to.. remain “vigilant for your adversary The Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour”. There is so much more to this entire creation that I feel all of our souls are longing for. But I truly believe soon in time, the truth will be revealed before all of our eyes and they shall be forever open; fixated on the glory that stands before them. May God bless you all.

[@happysideburns5514]

its my first time hearing his lilith version.... in torah lilith was made together with adam but lilith wont follow adam so god created eve from adam

[@jflurr4296]

Invite Wes Huff!

[@JesusIsLord52]

True contemplation and prayer is to imagine what is true. There we find Joy

[@stay_at_home_astronaut]

Strassman doesn't quite get the Lilith story right.

[@CebOnCars2]

“In that world snakes talk” 😂 I would have switched his mic off after that

[@shawsmith5521]

yes because animals cant talk right? that includes mimics dolphins dogs humans, well, mystery solved then, might as well call it all crap and go listen to a science priest who preach theoretical mathematical religion yet based on extremely low mathematical probability by their own admission. Atheism which is really scientism, is the most nutty of all religions.

[@UniverseMedia-f3p]

Well that's 15:13 of my life I can never get back watching this guy talk shit.

[@chefdusse]

talks like biden

[@siirall]

The art of babbling endlessly without conveying anything meaningful-what a waste!

[@UniverseMedia-f3p]

@@chefdusse lol

[@UniverseMedia-f3p]

He's the king of babbling. If I were Joe rogan, that interview would have got cut short. Get your babbling ass off my podcast 😤

[@rickandteribedell4350]

😂 yeah not going to listen to the full podcast.

[@zprep4707]

Could be wrong, but wasn’t Lilith mentioned in Sumerian texts and/or stories?