Did Pyra Really LIE About Her Reason for Going to Elysium? - XenoSpective Episode 5

[@NowWeAreAllGames]

As I understand it, Pyra and Mythra did consciously intend to die throughout the entire game up through chapter seven, but their whole heart is not in it. In Chapter 1 when she says "By coming here you can save the world", I think it's clear in retrospect that Pyra was referring, at least in part, to her belief that Rex could "save the world" by allowing her to be destroyed. Presumably, by begging the Architect to "let us die" she also intends for Malos to die as well. Although clearly Pyra and Mythra harbored some deep buried hope that there would be another way. By chapter 7 they reach rock bottom and fully embrace their desire to die, and Rex helps them turn things around, and from then on they start to believe in the possibility of a future for them in the world. Which is why Rex is such a good boy. Pyra's line to Malos in chapter 1 "That is our dream" is ambiguous, and I wonder who "our" is supposed to mean there. Herself and Mythra? Herself and Rex? Or does she mean herself and Malos? Both Aegises have some kind of deep urge to return to the Architect, and maybe this is an inherent drive they don't fully understand: that Pyra/Mythra interpret it as a desire to destroy themselves and Malos interprets it as a desire to destroy the world. Also when she says Elysium is "our dream" this could be partly referring to the fact that the only Elysium they've ever known is a literal dream. I wonder whether this ambiguity is present in the original script or if it's just an English translation thing. I don't think Pyra concealed anything from Azurda. In chapter 2 when Azurda grills Pyra about her intentions, it seems to me that his misgivings about her plan reflect an unspoken understanding between them that she intends to die. We know by the end of the game that Azurda was always fully read in on Addam and Pyra's decision to seal Pyra away under the sea, so he was clearly familiar with Pyra's belief that her power needed to be removed from the world. It's not a stretch to say that he would also be aware, either explicitly or as a strong hunch, of what she wants from the Architect. Lastly: In the Chapter 10 bridge scene, Pneuma tells Rex "this was the first lie I ever told you", referring to her tricking him to the escape pod bay. At first reading this seems like an extremely odd thing to say, given her confession about wanting to die in Chapter 7. But this is another ambiguous line. You can read it as saying "I just lied to you and I've never lied to you before", or you can also read it as saying, "The lie I told just now was the same lie as the first time I lied to you." Pyra's original "lie" to Rex was concealing her intention to die, and Pneuma's lie at the end of the game is basically the same lie: concealing her intention to die. Once again I wonder if this is an ambiguity in the original text or if it's just in the English translation.

[@Ontos99]

I feel that after Myhtra supressed her personality with Pyra, she accepted Logos' worldview. One of self destruction. After the agony and grief over how she resulted in Milton's death Which makes sense for how they wanted to die all along and lies to Rex regarding their intentions . Stopping Malos is not different than "stopping herself". Pyra in my opinion believes that both Aegises are better off gone so that no one can use their dangerous powers After all what will happen when Rex dies. Who will inherit his wishes? No one knows. Maybe someone like Amalthus will try to wield her and the same fears will come back. Thats why she wants to get to Elysium and try to 'fix' this at its source permanently by asking their father to end it all. Thats how I see. By the end, Rex does give them hope but for the majority of the game, I think Pyra meant what she said

[@haroldnecmann7040]

@@Ontos99 myra birthing pyra after the fact that Milton fell off screen is such a powerful ways to convey myra descent to madness and conclude that she was not ready join hand in hand with human and Blades around her. It's weird for pyra to have calmer personality when her elements was 🔥 that always being tied to hot temper and anger. Myra light based elements might be interpreted as plasma light of destruction devoid of any rhymes or reasons only there to destroy everything on It's path. Cutting third quarter of her power resulted in far "weaker" but reserved one. As opposes to forward and honest which was myra whole personality which can be observed in full display on how excessive her cooking style was at that time.

[@DerajjParallax]

I appreciate your perspective! You make a good point about her wanting to get rid of the aegis powers for good. I wonder if she would’ve ever thought about asking her father to take her powers away and let her live.

[@ponspectorstillwedie4579]

Thing is, her line near the end of the game after leading the party to the escape pods under false pretenses implies that that was the first lie she ever told him. So unless that line was also a lie, which would be weird when she could have just not said it at all, we could probably take her at her word when she said that she wanted to go to Elysium to beg her father to let her die. That's not to say it was the only reason. If all she wanted was to die, she could have done that at pretty much any point. But if we believe that the reason that she wanted to die was so that she couldn't hurt people anymore, then it stands to reason that she'd want to make sure that people still had a future to live in beforehand. There would be no point to her ending herself while Malos and Jin were still doing what they were doing and the Titans were dying off, since people would be getting hurt anyway. So her saying her goal was to stop Malos was also not a lie. Not the whole truth, but not a lie. I suppose you could also make the argument that she never wanted to die, but she felt it necessary to prevent people from using her power for harmful and destructive purposes. So she resolved to stop Malos, open the way to Elysium, and then beg the Architect to remove her permanently without the possibility of someone reawakening her. Of course, Rex is eventually able to convince her that she deserves to live as well.

[@DerajjParallax]

I did go back to rewatch her monologue near the end of the game when making this video and must have missed that. What line are you referring to?

[@ponspectorstillwedie4579]

Nah, it wasn't part of her monologue, it was before that. I can't recall whether it was immediately before or after she destroys the bridge so that Rex couldn't get back to her. But she says to him, "I'm sorry. This was the first lie I've ever told you."

[@DerajjParallax]

I found the line you were talking about. I definitely overlooked it when making the video but I interpreted the scene where she told Rex she wanted to die more as an exaggeration, one that Rex understood wasn't true judging by his response. Therefore, in my opinion, that doesn't really count as a "lie" per se. Also, her not telling Rex the full truth at the beginning of the game could also be considered a lie technically. I know I'm being really picky with semantics with how I interpret things here which you may not agree with, but that's just my stance that supports the video. With that said I want to be clear that I'm not saying you're wrong, as your comment definitely gave me some stuff to think about such as the idea that maybe Rex didn't convince her that her to keep living until much later into the story. For all I know, you could even be interpreting things closer to the intent of the writers so thanks for your input! Also, thanks for being respectful in your disagreement!

[@sincere9222]

HE'S BACK LET'S GO 😊

[@lemmyxpro]

OMG, I LOVE the Xenospective series!!! Please, keep new videos coming! We'll be waiting patiently, and with bated breath. Just, don't take THIS long to make a new Xenosepctive video again, alright? 😅😂

[@DerajjParallax]

Thanks so much for the support! I love reading comments like these. I will definitely try my best to get videos out sooner rather than later but I won't make any promises because life happens lol. I know a lot of you like the series though which gives me motivation to keep doing it so I appreciate the comment!

[@JustJulyo]

Feed me moaur!

[@aegislight98]

Why am I crying

[@Nimtendo03]

Because Pyra Nd Mythra are very deep and complex characters with a troubled past, and because Xenoblade games in general have deep, emotional stories. (I know your question was rhetoric, I just wanted to reply anyway :p)

[@evanpereira3555]

I think Pyra isn't suicidal but very (too much) selfless and her two goals (stopping Malos and asking her purpose to her Father) are intertwined. To put it simple, imo, doubting about the role of the Aegis she would like to see this power disappears from Alrest, even if it costs her life (which she was ok at first but changes with Rex).

[@Alban_Blade_Memer]

Since I couldn't finished the video day one I thought someone would have told it in the comments section but no. The "sadness " in the eyes of Jin and Pyra is referred in Japanese by a Kanji meaning "Sadness of loneliness ". I'm not knowing anything about Japanese language outside memes lines so I can't tell if it's true. I can't remember where I saw it. Probably on a famous xenoblade Chanel like JK Ruler or even Miiks. I think it's more coherent with the game story.

[@DerajjParallax]

Thanks for that input! If I ever learn another language one day it will almost definitely be Japanese so I can better interpret Xenoblade games lol

[@landolyFN]

W vid

[@BlackRover18]

I always find weird they wanting to die. If that really was their purpose, why dont do it with siren in the same way they were threatening Malos after they lost to Jin

[@DerajjParallax]

Yeah, there’s so much more going on

[@haroldnecmann7040]

She didn't want to die a virgin🤓👆

[@haroldnecmann7040]

​@@DerajjParallaxThere's actually a true parallels between Pyra/Myra core crystals and Klaus/Bionis Titan which also has that signature emerald green blood. Only his father can truly end his own bloodline because of his authorities of immortal killers which was inherited by Shulk Monado near the end of the saga. Siren would never be able to kill pyra/myra completely just deal with heavy damage which was shown by malos after Torna. The only way to end blade is essentially erase all their data signature in the world tree so that nobody can use the emerald eagis blade ever again.

[@DerajjParallax]

@haroldnecmann7040 Interesting, I’ve never even thought of that. Though I do wonder if siren could’ve killed Pyra/Mythra seeing as it was (I think) a creation of Klaus’. Plus Malos says later that Pyra wasn’t bluffing about having siren kill her so that makes me think it could have. I like the parallels though!

[@Iredecent]

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