Did Science Just Debunk Jesus' Miracle of the Fish? - (Ken) Ham & AiG News

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[@MrBarberousse]

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[@cacadores3955]

@@Paulogia Since I caught you out in a lie twice, will you at least do the honourable thing and apologise to your viewers?

[@BristleHiffyn]

2 Samuel 15 New International Version Absalom’s Conspiracy 15 In the course of time, Absalom provided himself with a chariot and horses and with fifty men to run ahead of him. 2

[@BristleHiffyn]

@@PrincessTatiana88 well there are people who exhibit Absalom personality in modern world there traitors and betrayals a lack of loyalty.. 2 He would get up early and stand by the side of the road leading to the city gate. Whenever anyone came with a complaint to be placed before the king for a decision, Absalom would call out to him, “What town are you from?” He would answer, “Your servant is from one of the tribes of Israel.” 3

[@Ratciclefan]

Gotta love them starting with "were the miracles just coincidences?" like it's established that the miracles did happen.

[@naruarthur]

yeah, the most obvious things is that it is all a myth

[@TheLithp]

That's the thing that always gets me about those convoluted "scientific explanations for miracles." It's like "Okay, that's an interesting scenario, but you need to establish someone didn't just make this story up first before you say it needs some fancy explanation." For every "rain of sulfur" that was actually a volcanic eruption, there's like a dozen "parting the red seas" that just didn't even happen at all.

[@SkyKing-e4u]

@Ratciclefan that's the con. The sneaky disingenuous outright lie they throw at their audience with confidence and that is a scary scary thing.

[@cacadores3955]

@@Ratciclefan "Like it's established the miracles did happen". Exactly. The gospel doesn't claim they're "miracles". The word "miracle" isn't even in the text nor any description like it. So, who's lying about "miracles" here? Not the Gospels.

[@Ratciclefan]

@@cacadores3955 primeiro prova que esses eventos aconteceram. A bíblia não é prova.

[@dean244]

Regarding the final topic: Canadian here, and a loved one made use of the Medical Assistance in Dying program. He was in immense pain in his last days, but passed peacefully surrounded by those who loved him. It was done with great compassion and dignity. I am extremely grateful for the humanity shown by the extremely empathic and sympathetic care given to him and his loved ones.

[@BrianS1981]

I am terribly sorry to hear for the loss of your loved one, and offer my condolences for your loss. However, it is heartening to hear that his death was carried out with compassion, dignity and love.

[@gurun8071]

The issue with the program, is that it has been offered in situations where it isnt called for at all, especially with veterans

[@neclark08]

The DIGNITY Factor is SO Important -- and I suspect that's why #FundieReligionists are so SADISTICALLY eager to Extend our Suffering--'Mother Theresa-style' -- to 'Break' our Pesky Human Will... making us maximally Susceptible to their 'Recruitment Tactics'. Fundies Don't CARE about Human Dignity, and feel (rightfully) threatened by our Innate desire for Self-Determination...they Don't CARE How we die; they Just consider us 'hash-marks' on their "Souls Collected Scoreboard"...

[@justanotheropinion5832]

@@gurun8071 are you referring to the 4 veterans who were offered the program from a single case worker who was fired? I have many family members in Canadian healthcare. The amount of checks and balances are staggering. These vets wouldn’t have been passed through. Critical thinking is a good thing.

[@IheartDogs55]

​@justanotheropinion5832 Knowledge of the facts is also important. AiG distorts the facts, as evidenced by its presentation of a case in the Netherlands but claiming the incident took place in Canada. I do not trust in the veracity of any claim made by AiG! 😡

[@Groksaurus]

Everybody knows the fish were red herring and the bread was half- baked.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

you missed the drum roll. but, forgiven.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The "fish" may have been prostitutes.

[@jon-paulmattack1152]

Cod! Dough!

[@The-Doubters-Diary]

[@funkdragon7659]

yeah, because no fisherman has ever lied about his catch, ever! 🤥

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

On December 17, 2017, a power outage at the airport in Atlanta left passengers stranded. Chick-fil-A broke from tradition and opened on a Sunday to feed over 5,000 people. This is an example of a modern day miracle.

[@brianwilson6950]

no such thing it is just a nice person who enjoys helping not miracle no god period or his demigod WANNABE son

[@Free-thinkingfoolery]

Someone tried to threaten me using scripture, so I countered with a reminder of evolution and natural selection. They responded with, 'I hope God comes into your heart and changes your evil intent.' And I’m just sitting here wondering what they're even talking about. It’s baffling how some people throw out baseless accusations while avoiding actual dialogue.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Jupiter works in mysterious ways.

[@Pooneil1984]

It is because you are reflecting their own evil intent back to them and they are very uncomfortable facing that truth.

[@shassett79]

If I had to guess, they were accusing you of "suppressing the truth in your unrighteousness," or some other thought-terminating cliché they've adopted to cast nonbelief as a deliberate and evil act.

[@CaptainCanuck68]

I just suggest they should skip the line and go to heaven now.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@CaptainCanuck68 Heaven begins at the spring equinox (day 1) and ends with day six at the autumn equinox. From Heaven we go to Hell aka Autumn equinox - spring equinox (six nights gen 1).

[@rustyclaymore1105]

That jingle will never not make me smile. Thanks Paul!

[@kevinriff87]

My father died earlier this year. He had been sick for over a decade, and he was in a lot of pain near the end. He made it very clear to us that he wanted to take advantage of the Medically Assisted Dying program that is available in Ontario. Dad was going through the process of arranging his own exit, which involved several interviews with his doctors to verify that he was competent and able to provide full consent for the procedure, when he took a turn for the worse. He was placed in a palliative care center where they managed his pain and discomfort mostly by sedating him. That put us in a bit of a bind because the patient MUST be lucid and able to give consent right up to the moment of the injection, and he was sleeping pretty much constantly. I feared he would be stuck in a sort of limbo - not really living, but also not able to take that final journey we all knew that he wanted. Dad didn't last long after that, which was a relief in some ways. I'm glad that he passed on quickly and peacefully, but I'm sad that he died alone in his hospital room. If he had been able to take advantage of the MAD program then we could have arranged for him to be surrounded by family and friends when the moment arrived. I guess the point I want to make is that having the option to leave this life on your own terms is a good thing. Don't believe the scare mongering about mobs coming to murder your autistic child because they are a drain on society. That's definitely NOT how it works.

[@jhoughjr1]

Ah yeah no slopes slip and this aint eugenics at all.

[@Kelley_X]

@@jhoughjr1 completely correct. This is certainly not a “slippery slope”, and definitively not eugenics.

[@andystokes8702]

What is the likelihood that 2,000 years ago 5,000 people attended an event (in this case listening to Jesus talk) and out of all of these people in attendance only one, a small boy had the foresight to bring some food along? It's not the feeding of 5,000 people with just 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes that is the miracle as much as that 4,999 forgot their picnic.

[@The-Doubters-Diary]

Man, that's the best take I've ever heard on that story. I'll have to steal that!

[@andystokes8702]

@@The-Doubters-Diary You're welcome, I can't claim it as my own, I also stole it from elsewhere.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

God made them live in a desert, they were poor and there was no food. /s

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Let's not ignore Brian's miracle of the fig tree...

[@donaldbarber3829]

My mom decided that she believed that some of the people had food but didn't want to share, so they were essentially shamed into throwing some of their own into the baskets. It's a little like the Stone Soup folk tale where the villagers make the soup at his behest.

[@lnsflare1]

The most parsimonious scientific explanation for the miracle of the fishes is that people are able to make up stories, especially about a guy with no actual secular evidence for his existence.

[@dougt7580]

I just find it amusing that in this story 'god' (the SUPREME RULER of all space and time) is basically Doordash to keep its audience from getting hangry.

[@AS-sn5gf]

There is no secular evidence for the existence of Jesus? I'm not even religious and I don't believe that.

[@shassett79]

This is kind of the first thing in my mind any time I hear someone proposing a naturalistic explanation for a miracle claim. Like... I guess maybe it's a fun thought experiment? But the odds are that it's just a story.

[@jamiehudson3661]

What is the evidence that you exist?

[@lnsflare1]

@jamiehudson3661 Well, off the top of my head, there's tons of writings, both private and official government documentation, including first hand writings and contemporaneous 3rd party attestations. And that's not even bringing up all of the video, audio, and photographic records. Not to mention that most of my records aren't made by people who stand to personally profit (both financially and socially) from making people believe that I exist, or have conflicting accounts of my birth that take place years apart and end up with me in two different countries due to two different major government actions that have no record of ever happening and would have made no sense to happen in the way that was described.

[@ronthered138]

Wow. Forty to 100 years after the events, the people writing this stuff down got an accurate account from the guy that heard it from a guy that heard it from Grampa, who NEVER rambled on about the old days. OOOOkay. Very reasonable.

[@EvilXtianity]

And the anonymous authors of Matthew and Luke copied heavily from Mark and each other.

[@James-hd4ms]

Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another you’ve been messing around.

[@riseofdarkleela]

@@James-hd4msTalk is cheap when the story is good…

[@al4nmcintyre]

Turns out Abe Simpson was the primary 'witness' for most of the Jesus stories.

[@jhoughjr1]

Yet humans passwd oral traditions in tact for centuries all aroind the world.

[@reeceguisse17]

Last year I went on a road trip that took me from the East Coast of the US to California and back. my AAA advisor suggested the Ark Encounter as a possible stop along the way. Listening to these Ham and Eggs episodes proves to me that there no way I could make it through one in person without screaming "BULLSHIT" and fleeing

[@dexterbunco4212]

These actually take place at the Creation Museum (about 45 minutes away from the Ark). You aren’t missing anything, unless you love kangaroos. They have female red’s at the Ark in their petting zoo. But don’t give them your money. I just happen to get in for free.

[@The-Doubters-Diary]

Oh, but they have a zoo and virtual reality experience now!!!! HA!

[@jhoughjr1]

That subject should be common ground for christians and atheists imo. Its a farce. The bible is a complete narrative. It doesnt really hinge on any one story over another. To focus on the story of Noah to such a degree seems to miss the point. Imagine the charity that could be done with thosw funds? When i found god one of these first things that changed in me was loasing my love of money. Hammy seems to love money. Im content living the comminist creed of doing what i can and talimg what i need. Knowing what enough is feels great compared to more more more!

[@MossyMozart]

@reeceguisse17 - There are several atheist channels that have an episode where they tour that ark building. You will get a FREE virtual tour with stops at some the most hair-raising exhibits (they really botch the "Lucy" exhibit - poor Lucy!). There is mirth along the way, too. _Gutsick Gibbon_ is one channel that comes to mind. If you haven't met Erika yet, you will love her. ^_^

[@reeceguisse17]

@ Erika is great

[@artemisnite]

No free fish from a loving gawd for the ten thousand children who starve to death DAILY.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The "fish"were prostitutes.

[@realdragon]

They don't have privilege of living 2000 years ago in small region to meet Jesus himself

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Their fault. They could just willingly listen to his kid's boring poetry slam but don't! No rhymes no dines...

[@theoutspokenhumanist]

It isn't the belief in Jesus and miracles that I find troubling, it is the way these people deliberately lie about what science articles say and, incredibly, about what the bible says and that there is extra-biblical evidence. Of what use is a religion that must resort to lies? Whilst there are honest Christians, these guys are not and their personal version of Christianity most assuredly rests upon dishonesty.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The "mother" of Jesus, is a sun goddess. His Japanese mother is hilarious.

[@caffetiel]

​@@harveywabbit9541 lmao Mary wasn't venerated until centuries later. It is very funny how your brain just fires off random associations and instead of investigating you just go with it.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@caffetiel How did Bacchus, a son of Jupiter, become Issachar, a son of Jacob?

[@rik80280]

Yeah, as one who grew up in Baptist school, this stuff makes me really angry. The girl with the baby voice should absolutely know better by this point in her life, and not go spreading around the same lies as she was likely raised on.

[@caffetiel]

@harveywabbit9541 it didn't. Issachar is a folk etymology for the name of the tribe. Ya'akov has no relation to Deus Pater, either. Might as well be asking me about the relationship between pizza and Chinese donuts

[@gerritvalkering1068]

"Confirmed by so many ancient texts and documents" "Like what?" "The bible, the bible, the bible and the bible. Oh, and the bible, but we shouldn't forget the bible." "Isn't that, like, just one actual ancient text?"

[@DoctorOnkelap]

don't forget to at the bible to your extensive list of 'evidence'

[@gerritvalkering1068]

@@DoctorOnkelap You're right, I have no idea how I could have missed that.

[@uninspired3583]

There's 66 books in there, how many more references do you need??

[@dwightfitch3120]

@@uninspired3583All are chapter length,with some little more than,if as much as,a page

[@gerritvalkering1068]

@@uninspired3583 That the myths and legends of a culture refer to other myths and legends of that culture, and that you can find such references in a collected work of myths and legends of said culture, is not a surprise. I feel the way they phrase it is trying to imply that there are manuscripts and documents from other places and other cultures that aren't part of the bible, that confirm the events in the bible and especially the new testament. I further feel they're trying to imply that the bible is an accurate portrayal of historical events in general. My comment was meant to reflect that, as far as my admittedly limited knowledge goes, the answer to that is no.

[@Locust13]

I suspect that if a rabbi had fed at least half of Judea on two separate occasions, someone would have noticed and mentioned it at the time, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people fed miraculously on two separate occasions and no one wrote it down? We have to rely on stories that appeared decades after the supposed fact? No. I suspect the best explanation for this is that it's just a story. (And yes, according to the Bible this happens twice)

[@EvilXtianity]

I would also think that if God walked around town for thirty years and then died and then the sun went dark for three hours and he became a zombie and then the graves opened and the corpses and skeletons rose out and "appeared to many" that someone would have mentioned that at the time too.

[@mattm8870]

@@EvilXtianity The zombies saints rose when Jesus died.

[@EvilXtianity]

@@mattm8870 _"The zombies saints rose when Jesus died."_ Do you think that really happened?

[@mattm8870]

@@EvilXtianity Nope I dont I pointing out the zombie saints came before the zombie Jesus.

[@EvilXtianity]

@@mattm8870 Whatever. But I would expect if any of that happened the locals would have noticed and documented it in some way.

[@XarXXon]

Here's a little hint for those who believe in the supernatural: a natural explanation is always more likely because we can prove nature exists, but not that supernature exists.

[@RocketboyX]

If the supernatural was real, it would just be considered natural.

[@stefanyalpoesy42]

It seems very hypocritical to me that AiG comes down on the side against lowering the age of consent in Iraq, when it's their co-religionists that typically come out in favor of lowering the age for child marriage (often to their adult abusers) in many places in the US.

[@donaldbarber3829]

Yes but those are Muslim marriages. Think Ken Ham is aware that the residents of Roman Palestine resembled Iraqis way more than he and his?

[@tomsenior7405]

Bread and Fish. A miracle so good, they performed it twice.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Bread and Wine = Spring and Summer. King Jupiter (Melchizedek) was generous.

[@tomsenior7405]

@@harveywabbit9541 By Jove!

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@tomsenior7405 Jesus is described as a Priest of King Jupiter.

[@tomsenior7405]

@@harveywabbit9541 Ye Gods.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@tomsenior7405 IU Piter (Jupiter) is all over the bible, but man does not want to see, especially the lying "men of god."

[@DarkRanger1975]

I once asked a believer if it was possible that the bible is just a compilation of stories as part of a cultural identity. He said no, that's impossible since the bible is a perfect record of history.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The fish are still in the constellation Pisces. The bread lady is the constellation Virgo. The 12 baskets are still the 12 constellations.

[@ksbrst2010]

The perfect historical Document has only slight problems with its Memory: Exodus. Egypt should have not realizeed that 2 Million people are missing. Or the problems when from one day to thr next half of the country is no longer in the Country. Thr reality they were busy due to misding slaves... 2 missing slaves. And the people go from Egypt to Egypt.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@harveywabbit9541 there are 13 signs of the zodiac - they can't even get astrology right. (ophiochus)

[@HarryNicNicholas]

the bible is not a book, it is a collection of scraps of paper, some no bigger than my thumb, written over hundreds of years by people who never met jesus, whose motives are dubious, and it has been translated, retranslated and edited to leave out things the church didn't want to have to explain, like god being evil and jesus sent to fight him in the gospel of judas. none of the manuscripts are originals. the first sentence in the bible has two words omitted cause they didn't translate into english, and hebrew has no punctuation. so. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Books_of_the_Bible_and_the_Forgotten_Books_of_Eden =============================================== "There are currently over 3,142 versions of the bible, in over 2,073 languages available digitally on bible.com - of which 1,768 are available audibly. There are also versions in nearly 2,033 languages at faithcomesbyhearing.com and a similar number on the American Bible Society's bibles.org."

[@HarryNicNicholas]

and there are 88 constellations.

[@sbushido5547]

The guy trying to use his son for sympathy is disgusting. There are no bands of doctors roaming the country side looking for undesirables to put down... But as with everything else they talk about, you'd think the fact that they have to lie to make their case would give them pause.

[@scienceexplains302]

Only if honesty is part of their goal. But their goal is to make believers feel better about their beliefs and to steer the to YEC

[@petersage5157]

Ah yes, Georgia. I miss PhD Giggles. Tasting History once baked ancient Egyptian bread using a recipe dating from the second millennium BCE. Part of the history segment included a passage from a book of advice to the king that said something along the lines of multiplying the loaves and fishes offered in sacrifice to the gods, that they may better feed the multitude after the gods had taken their fill. The context was keeping the peasants satisfied with what Juvenal would later call bread and circuses, but it struck me as somewhat familiar.

[@Chrismas815]

There are US states that child marriage is still legal. Guess who keeps pushing to keep those laws in place? Its not the secular community, I'll tell you that

[@BrianS1981]

The reason why the right are concerned about this Iraqi "law" is because it sets the age too high for their wants. Oh and why am I not surprised that AiG are pushing the "shi'a evil and sunni good" line, almost as if they are getting money from hard line sunni creationists, like MBS.

[@notanemoprog]

Well for example California is one of them, so it must be the Democrats pushing it because they have a one-party rule there

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

There are efforts underway to lower age of consent/marriage in several US States and yes it's exactly driven by who you think. Thankfully that crap wasn't very successful as of yet. But give it 10 or 20 years of Handmaid's zale governance... 😬

[@billpugh58]

Was it liberal progressives? Hahahahhaha only joking, it was Republican maga christians😂

[@micheldurieux6430]

Ham & AIGs always puts a smile on my face for the utter bucket full of BS they throw up!

[@troystevens1976]

I heard one naturalistic explanation claiming how Jesus’ act of sharing, inspired others with food to share also. I prefer this explanation (accurate or not) the most, because it speaks more to human nature than a magic trick and how small acts of kindness can have large impacts.

[@pansepot1490]

Reminds me, sarcastically, of modern day American Christians. 😅

[@realdragon]

So people who had food were hungry but ate only when they shared?

[@imagomonkei]

“Gopher” is a loan word, pretty sure from Akkadian, which means “reeds”. It refers to making bundles of reeds to use for building structures… like boats covered in pitch to make them airtight.

[@brianhurd3355]

This reminds me of the those stories of floating disk basket-style boats from that era that people would float on during floods. I seem to recall they were often depicted with livestock. Really doesn't sound practical or reliable to me, but I would love to hear what archaeology has on the subject.

[@oldbatwit5102]

@@brianhurd3355 Just a few decades ago Welsh people were still using coracles to move sheep and even calves between the mainland and islands.

[@brianhurd3355]

@@oldbatwit5102 - Proof of concept! Thanks!

[@harveywabbit9541]

"Make thee an ark of gopher wood" (Gen. 6. 14). The ark (Teba, something "hollowed out." See Fuerst’s Heb. Lex., in voce) seems to have indicated a part of a circle, and was often represented by the crescent moon. It doubtless typified the winter portion of the year. The material - gopher wood, an evergreen, emblem of winter - out of which it was made, likewise favors this idea. As the year was made up of three seasons, so the ark' consisted of three stories - "lower, second and third." The one window was "above" = the canopy of heaven. The single door (entrance) was in its side = the fall equinox. The gopher wood, says Gesenius, was "pitchwood” (Lex., p. 201). This makes a nice blazing fire, affording both light and heat - the very thing for a savage people in winter. From its abundant heat, and the season in which it was used, this kind of fire doubtless came to be styled Hell- fire, i.e., winter fire; hell being the old high German for hole - the hole or cave in which the Sun seems to sojourn during the winter months

[@imagomonkei]

@harveywabbit9541 “gopher wood, an evergreen” considering that GPᴴR is not the name of any known tree in the Bible, this is false. It was most likely borrowed from GPR, as this chapter of Genesis borrows several other Akkadian loan words. Where do you get that there were only three seasons? On Earth today, the number and types of seasons changes based on climate and latitude. Your post has a lot of baseless claims he didn't even try to substantiate.

[@erictaylor5462]

I have seen St. Elmo's fire myself, flying in a Cessna. It was very beautiful, and we survived the flight, proving once again that the presentation of St. Elmo's fire ensures survival. Not one person has ever reported seeing this sign and then not survived.

[@robinharwood5044]

Conclusive proof.

[@RocketboyX]

Last time I saw it I died.......... but I got better.

[@KnittedCats-j2h]

I miss Ham and AIG. Thanks for bringing this back even if it's the B team.

[@greg8106]

This group is young enough for it to be possible that they are Hammier than Ham himself due to extensive brainwashing by AiG.

[@paulglennie1991]

Even b team is to kind for the AIG, More like Z team, unfortunately that's the lowest the alphabet goes. Which is probably lucky for them,

[@GabrielMirandaLima-hv7oe]

What happened is that Jesus secretely typed /gamemode creative on the chat, that's how he duplicated the fish

[@gerritvalkering1068]

Maybe he found an item duplication glitch

[@uninspired3583]

His followers certaibly did.. ​@@gerritvalkering1068

[@ianbabineau5340]

Canadian here. I’ve never heard about any cases of “horror stories” about people being put down when they or their families didn’t want it. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, just that it certainly isn’t something we hear about with any prominence or frequency.

[@johnroth4302]

Thanks!

[@TenMinuteTrips]

One of my favorite pastimes when watching Paul’s “Ham and Eggs” videos is seeing when and in what context, the AIG panel breaks out the books that can be purchased in the bookstore. The grift never ends.

[@jhoughjr1]

They lie too much

[@michaelmeszaros6982]

Paul, you're so right. Ground News is a very valuable tool to use in determining which news stories are being accurately reported, or being distorted, and by who. RockOn, Paul & Ground News.

[@idio-syncrasy]

I don't feel the need to present evidence against biblical miracles. Providing evidence is the believers job.

[@shassett79]

Listening to these guys talk is giving me falshbacks to FCA meetings I attended during high school in the Bible belt. Like, "Of course Jesus did miracles, bro! _It says so right here in the Bible!!"_

[@razpootis5802]

It's ridiculous that people believe in millennia old fables to begin with.

[@harveywabbit9541]

and they are using these fables to steal and murder

[@robertjimenez5984]

Apologist has reach the point that lying is the based of all their arguments. The only miracle here is that today they are people that believe these liars.

[@thisisjeff9845]

I'm in Canada and want advanced requests for MAiD. I took care of my grandma for 10 years after she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, she died last year. I don't want anyone to have to take care of me the way I did for her.

[@jimrodarmel8512]

The third bullet point in the Ground News Bias Comparison screen (13:08) uses adverb "consideually" to modify "framing". Dictionary aggregator OneLook does not recognize this as an actual word, illustrating once again that artificial intelligence (e.g., "Ground AI") is not intelligent at all, and should not be relied upon to do our thinking for us. No shade intended against the concept of aggregating news sources for comparison, just against thinking AI is intelligent just because "intelligent" is part of its name.

[@petehjr1]

You know who is saying "my son is a burden on the system" are ya know. Conservatives.

[@evilotakuneko]

When my grandfather was in hospice dying of cancer, it really struck me that we put pets down to end their suffering, but we don't have the same compassion for humans. The closest we come is "do not resuscitate".

[@Gwaithmir]

A good friend of mine supported The Hemlock Society, an organization which advocated assisted suicide for hopelessly ill people.

[@TheSpanishInquisition87]

Hold on. Canada is accepting political refugees from America? How does one sign up?

[@uninspired3583]

Personally, I'd welcome the type of people that are interested in coming north just now. Housing is tight but I'm sure we'll figure it out.

[@istvansipos9940]

trump is a Canadian scheme. Canada helped him win, so that they can have all the decent Americans. (joke)

[@GlorifiedTruth]

I just can't bear listening to a bunch of Christians speculating about whether plant discoveries might relate to accounts in the Bible. It really, really hurts. I'm as thick skinned as the next guy, but this is like a gut punch to the soul. It's not just extremely painful; it's downright devastating. How I'm supposed to shake this off and go to work is beyond me. Looks like I'll be missing another day of pay thanks to Christian fundamentalist idiocy.

[@reefhog]

I was 8 or 9 years old when I heard the obviously fictional story of the loaves and fishes. My first thought was “that never happened, that’s impossible”.

[@EclecticOmnivore]

"My first thought was “that never happened, that’s impossible”." I thought something similar when I was a kid. It was like this; "This is a story. I don't understand why it's important, but the adults think it is. I will do my best to make sense of the story so they are happy." [More details if asked...]

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@EclecticOmnivore You ain't seen nothing yet? The constellations Cancer sets at the winter solstice. Cancer contains the manger that Jesus will be born in. It is also called the Beehive cluster and contains about 1,000 stars. The mouth of the Lion points towards this constellation. Remember Samson and the lion tale?

[@cacadores3955]

@@reefhog "the obviously fictional story of the loaves and fishes". People travel into the interior of the Holy land to hear Jesus. It's probably a hot day. Most will bring some food with them. Some will not. Some baskets of food are passed around on the instructions of their teacher. As an individual sitting in the crowd, with your own food, what would you think these baskets with some food in were being passed around for? What do you think you were supposed to do with them? Now, go somewhere quiet and instead of resorting to some comic-book explanation given by atheists, think it through. You've just listened to a speaker who talks about giving, and those who have and those who have not. You know some people in the crowd are probably hungry. You have some food with you. A basket gets passed around. After it goes down the row it comes to you and there's some food in it. Assuming Jesus inspired you, what would you do? And then, if a lot of others did the same what would the baskets look like when they came back? The Bible is not for stupid people; it is for people who want to follow the truth, who believe in love and who are prepared to use their God-given powers of intimation and reason. You called it "fictional". You know better now. Ask why this obvious and wonderful knowledge was denied you, falsified and kept from you.

[@reefhog]

@ It’s obviously fictional, simpleton. Your own version of the story is nothing like the actual story in the bible. I’m sorry you were indoctrinated as a child and can’t think for yourself. Not really, I couldn’t care less. You’re an adult now. There’s no excuse for poor critical thinking skills.

[@cacadores3955]

@@reefhog I summarised it well. Here it is below. Please explain how my summary is "nothing like" the text. Take your time and while you are doing so, consider why you have had a mischaracterised version of it in your head for so long when after all, it's a beautiful story about love. Could it be you rejected its meaning because its message about faith in love for your fellow man condemns you? Would that not be awful? And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes. He said, Bring them hither to me. And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

[@KaiHenningsen]

Fulfilled prophecies? 0. Evidence for resurrection? 0. (Unless you count the claim - by non-eyewitnesses - as very, very weak evidence.)

[@EvilXtianity]

No bible prophecy has ever fulfilled.

[@EvilXtianity]

_"Evidence for resurrection?"_ The original version of the oldest gospel of Mark did not originally include any appearances of Jesus after the women visited the tomb on Easter morning. Mark originally ended at verse 16:8, with no appearances of the risen Jesus - merely a statement that the young man told the women that Jesus' body was gone and they fled in terror, telling no one. The later Gospels made up the resurrection fiction and that was then also added to Mark from the Luke version 1,500 years later during the King James project to harmonize the Gospels.

[@davidrexford586]

@@EvilXtianityI was in a church service one time when a baby stopped breathing and was turning blue and the man preaching stopped and laid his hands on the baby and said IN THE NAME OF JESUS I command you to breathe again !! and the baby coughed and started breathing again.. Explain how that happened if God is imaginary or made up. Not only did I see this happen there are others that saw it. Too many of you proclaim God isn’t a reality and in the same breath NONE of you can claim there is no God with the evidence of. Some of you should be silent.

[@Griexxt]

@@davidrexford586 You need to explain why God is necessary for that to have happened. If we allow for supernatural explanations, there could be any number of explanations for what you experienced that have nothing to do with the Christian God. You also need to account for all the times that God doesn't save babies' lives, despite the most heartfelt prayers you could ever imagine.

[@davidrexford586]

@ unfortunately life doesn’t work like that and the world doesn’t revolve around you. Miracles are spontaneous things that happen suddenly and when you see them happening in front of you, it makes your Faith in God be stretched even more and strengthened. Believe or don’t because I am not responsible for telling you what God decides to do on his own terms as I am not God or a little god.

[@1970Phoenix]

I struggle to accept that those AIG hosts are responding to the research in good faith. They misrepresent it, strawman it, miss the point of it and generally dismiss it without anything approaching reasonable consideration. They simply say, here is a story that conflicts with my religious opinions, therefore it is wrong. Also, the woman who at 6:12 describes the bible accounts as being "reliable, eye-witness historical accounts" and "so confirmed by so many documents and manuscripts" is either woefully informed (most likely) or is intentionally lying.

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

Intentionally lying is the only reasonable take given how they directly lie about what is said in text right in front of them. Even intentionally being ignorant and then claiming confirmations that have never happened prove that they are actively lying.

[@richards5687]

I find the idea that someone else can tell me when I can die, or forcing me to live, deeply, deeply offensive.

[@alexr6683]

I just now like after soooooooo long realized that AIG sounds like egg. I feel like my life has become much richer realizing this.

[@pansepot1490]

Welcome! It’s never too late. I realized it because Paul puts eggs in the thumbnail so I made the connection early on.

[@alexr6683]

@ I saw the eggs just never would have pronounced AIGS as eggs I never made that connection even with the visual

[@mirrorglassgames]

for 2,000 years people have been arguing for the abrahamic god's existence, when at any moment God itself could just come down and speak for itself rather than relying on museum owners to do it for him

[@weirdwilliam8500]

In the Odyssey, Telemachus feeds 4,500 by blessing the food and dividing the portions. Jesus feeds 5,000 in the Bible and does the same but miraculously. Honestly, it seems like early Christians were trying to convert Hellenistic Greeks and made up stories about how Jesus was like all the cool stuff they knew from the Odyssey, but even slightly better. The Odyssey also has themes found later in the Bible, like calming a storm, returning in disguise to meet one’s old followers, escaping a cave that was blocked closed by a rock, etc etc. Jesus’ calming of the storm in the Bible is almost copied word for word from the odyssey, if you look at the text side by side.

[@ianchisholm5756]

Interesting that the apostles took the time to count their fish and found they had exactly 153, a key number in the maths and numerology of the Greek cult around Archimedes. Jesus is like the Greek heroes but, y'know, better....

[@harveywabbit9541]

The three angels who visited Sarah and Abraham were Zeus, Hermes, and Poseidon. Zeus and Hermes went down to visit Philemon and Baucis who became Lot and his Wife.

[@njhoepner]

The gospel writers, being Greeks trained in Hellenistic literature, naturally borrowed the literary tropes common in their culture. Richard Miller, Robyn Faith Walsh, and Dennis MacDonald have each written books showing the very numerous examples.

[@clemstevenson]

As I have no logical reason to accept unsupported biblical supernatural claims, those claims are of no significance.

[@alanhyland5697]

I'm watching this because of the Ham and Aigs song.

[@gilleruadh]

Come for the song, stay for the silliness.

[@zeendaniels5809]

I always liked this miracle. Like when my mom-in-law gives me a hard time for being late for dinner, I think "what would Jesus do?" and yep... I close my eyes and try to turn her into a fish 😂

[@Elvorin]

If you like "Ground News" advertisements this is the video for you!

[@neniugrava]

If I ever have low blood pressure I just need to listen to AIG. As someone who was fooled by their brand of sophistry for a long time I have zero tolerance for that BS anymore.

[@cnault3244]

"Science DEBUNKS Jesus' Fish Miracle?" No need to debunk anything that hasn't been proven to have happened.

[@davidrexford586]

Science debunks miracles.. how ridiculous considering miracles are beyond our comprehension or understanding when they happen.

[@cnault3244]

@@davidrexford586 No need to debunk something that hasn't been proven to have happened.

[@davidrexford586]

@@cnault3244 do you understand miracles happen spontaneously and there is no time to record them or take pictures? So as you wait for some type of proof of a miracle by using Science , you will be waiting a long time.. I have had many miraculous things occur in my life but I have never been quick enough to record them or take a picture of them. I have been a born again believer over 41 years and still believe by Faith and I will continue on believing as my beliefs are not determined by another person but I determined for myself the reality of God by going to God by Faith after hearing the scriptures and I believed and then I was given profound revelation as if given precious treasure that I can’t give to someone else but I can only share how I found that treasure.

[@istvansipos9940]

@@davidrexford586 if we don't understand a phenomenon, we don't. Calling such phenomena "miracles" is good ol' g0dofthegapsing. "Big ka-BOOM from the clouds. MUST be a bolt from Zeus"

[@davidrexford586]

@@cnault3244 so you debunk something that you have never seen yourself and you say that’s evidence that what? It doesn’t happen? The same analogy of an atheist that says God doesn’t exist while other atheists find God themselves regardless of the atheists that say God doesn’t exist.

[@catherineshaw3462]

Paul: "And now a word from our sponsors." KZbin: "This is a great time to screen an ad from the Church of England about their online advent service tomorrow!" (1st Dec) I was, briefly, a bit confused.

[@Soundbrigade]

"I don't care what your holy book says!" (Thanks Professor Plink!)

[@lynnefox4892]

The euthanasia in the Netherlands is *exactly* why everyone should have advanced directives. She put her wishes in writing. The scandal isn't that she died, but that the acted incompetently.

[@tomsenior7405]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Make up a story of a man giving away free fish and Pastors will dine out for a lifetime.

[@yadabub]

If a seed that's "just a couple centimeters long" is "tiny," most seeds must be 'teenie weenie.'

[@enlacostaizquierda]

New Ham & Eggs? Sweet!

[@Petticca]

I don't even know how the hell it wouldn't be a thing to have advance directives included in legislating euthanasia procedures into law. Wild.

[@facundotorres175]

6:20 a Christian lying about affirmation?! I'm dumbfounded

[@jamiegallier2106]

Much appreciation, Paul. ❤

[@brianmeyer6926]

I just want to chime in against the disinformation about Islam: how much certain Muslims expect to have their religion represented in government CANNOT be neatly explained by the Shia/Sunni divide. While the Iranian government is completely under the control of its Shia Ayatollah, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is largely in thrall to the Bayt al-Wahab, a Sunni sect. There are Muslims who believe in religious freedom and tolerance toward non-Muslims in every sect. I am not a Muslim myself, but I object to their mischaracterization and to their being painted unfairly with a broad brush, just as I do when this is done to Christians. Some Christians are like Ken Hamm, and some are like Dr. Francis Collins. While I have no respect for religion itself, I have great respect for religious people who are decent, intelligent, and who promote freedom. To state broadly that Sunni Muslims are more moderate and Shia Muslims believe in forcing people to conform to their beliefs is, at best, a gross exaggeration that unjustly maligns a large number of peaceful, tolerant Shia Muslims.

[@TheMNbassHunter]

The ad for Ground News had me chuckling. Oh the irony watching the AiG panel giggling to themselves as they criticize others for not being unbiased. 😂

[@markrothenbuhler6232]

We're gonna need a new jingle: For Ground News Told Me So.

[@CaptainCanuck68]

I unsubscribed from them this morning, there was nothing good in there anyway.

[@CaptainCanuck68]

They're just adding their own spin to everything.

[@pjcWizard]

Thank you for showing how you use Ground News

[@FeliciaByNature]

I know Jesus isn't real because Jesus never made a cheesecake.

[@koenigcochran]

"Well that's not what the text says," had me rolling. Really?!

[@cacadores3955]

@@koenigcochran "Well that's not what the text says". Indeed. The text doesn't claim it's a miracle, this narrator says it does. Why do you think he lied?

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

"That's funny, cause Canada's NOW filling up with political refugees from America." Oof.

[@notanemoprog]

Yeah because Canada is a famously free nation when it comes to politics and freedom of expression lmao

[@craigkelly4278]

Please note that people who work for AIG have to sign a document saying they agree with what his madman teaches. Before, they are even employed by this ministry. Rather than employing them based on if they can do the job or not

[@cuzned1375]

“Were Jesus’ miracles just coincidences?” Nah. They’re more likely just stories.

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

Right, no they weren't coincidences, they just didn't happen 😂😂😂

[@ANokes1]

Thank you so much!

[@ericanderson4436]

Ham & AIGs is the best nonsense on the internet

[@Shinodaluva]

the Ken "surprise surprise" zoom in just made my fucking year

[@RiiDii]

"Here are books that prove the Bible is true." -paraphrased. If you need external evidence of the truth of the Bible, you cannot claim the Bible is a single source of truth. Additional sources literally violate that claim.

[@EvilXtianity]

The original version of the oldest gospel of Mark did not originally include any appearances of Jesus after the women visited the tomb on Easter morning. Mark originally ended at verse 16:8, with no appearances of the risen Jesus - merely a statement that the young man told the women that Jesus' body was gone and they fled in terror, telling no one. The later Gospels made up the resurrection fiction and that was then also added to Mark from the Luke version 1,500 years later during the King James project to harmonize the Gospels.

[@gerritvalkering1068]

Think of it like this. If only the bible has the story of the census where people have to travel to the home of their ancestors, which is bloody ridiculous, it is easily dismissed. However, if we have other sources that say it happened, sources unrelated to the bible, it would lend it more credibility. From there on it's just some effort to assert their version of the story as 'the actually accurate one'. Unfortunately, the sources are the bible, the bible, the bible and the bible. As well as documents inspired by, and this may surprise you, the bible.

[@RiiDii]

​@@gerritvalkering1068 Yep. I see it as a lack of faith for those claiming to be faithful. Think of it like this example: "This sentence is true. This sentence proves the previous sentence is true." The second sentence isn't necessary and implies the first sentence cannot stand on its truth statement alone. Neither sentence offers evidence or justification beyond self-reference. This creates a "truth bubble" that's internally consistent but lacks grounding. While some events do line up historically, that's far from any demonstration of evidence. Demonstrating that there is an England doesn't prove that Harry Potter is a real person. If the Bible was a source of truth, external references would be meaningless.

[@hamanime]

30:00 this is all fine and good, but what if this son does not want to life this way? Everybody should have the option to check out. (we have to define, when kids can give consent of course)

[@nathanmiller9918]

When "scientists" have signed faith clauses, and detest actual science...

[@istvansipos9940]

while spreading their cräp with several products of ever changing science (a mic, internet, electricity, etc) one of them really really should use magic to broadcast stuff about magic.

[@bryanfinegan5252]

Strange to hear Christians going on about assisted dying when you think of all the unnecessary deaths in the bible to perfectly healthy people, sacrifices and deaths of first born etc.

[@MonochromeWench]

A few problem Euthanasia cases in a few different countries are not reasons to prevent it but are guides on what safeguards are needed when it is allowed. When increasing number of countries start to allow it, forcing someone to live in pain with an extremely poor quality of life and suffering just seems creul

[@IheartDogs55]

Nicely analyzed!

[@Maurus200]

I find it hilarious that the AIG presenters are judging Muslims negatively that use the exact same line if thinking they do. If the Bible had Paul marry a 9 year old you better believe they would be advocating for that as well.

[@EvilXtianity]

They tell if that a father using one of his sons as a human sacrifice to himself is actually an act of love.

[@69eddieD]

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of xtianity.

[@jontastic]

Beyond the theory, raw fish is not what people usually eat in that civilization. If I recall correctly, they passed and ate the fish and bread. Finding raw fish would be like finding naturally occurring bags of flour, water, and a method of baking. But the whole story is not true. More likely is if true, people brought bread and fish and shared them, nothing supernatural here.

[@gilleruadh]

Donald Trump is the one who believes that severely disabled should "just die". He said this about his disabled nephew. So, if AIG wants to tut, tut about people who are pro-euthanasia, they need look no farther than than Mr. Trump.

[@Florkl]

You’d think AIG would love a scientific explanation for something everyone else dismisses as miracles, given their rabid desire to prove the flood.

[@harveywabbit9541]

So many have missed the great adventure of the Phallus aka rock/stone that begat thee in Deuteronomy 32. Remember where Bacchus (Issachar) was twice born? His first birth was from the mortal Semele and his second birth was from the loins (Genitals) of Jupiter/Zeus. You will find this God/Lord, the great upright one, is the phallus. Jupiter was aka as the uprighteous one.

[@meshimichelle-if3tg]

Thank you for sharing the actual truth with us. So appreciated!

[@swolejeezy2603]

It’s like AiG puts out posts on LinkedIn like “Looking for a guy to cite logical fallacies incorrectly and claim ‘Bias!’ at anything. Lisp preferred”

[@bobstine3785]

The fish kill event seems like a phenomenon called a "jubilee" on the eastern shore of Mobile Bay. There, on occasional hot summer nights, large numbers of stunned flounder and other bottom dwellers come to the shore. The fish are easy to gig or even pick up by hand.

[@barryesau1653]

Correction, Paul. "Most" of Canada does not have a mechanism for advance requests for MAID for people with dementia-type illnesses. There is a mechanism in place in Québec since the end of October.

[@Paulogia]

Oh, excellent

[@Jewshiesty6969]

1:15. Source? People complaining on twitter isn’t one

[@willemventer3935]

So instead of doing it painless under medical care you want to force people to use some other violent means???🛐⚛🕉✡✝☦☪🕎

These people make me physically ill.

[@BrianS1981]

Of course regarding the tree, if the AiG crew had their way, there would be no possibility that we would have been able to germinate that thousand year old seed. We probably wouldn't even know it was a seed that germinates into a tree, given their absolute abhorrence of science and learning. Edit: and if they had their own way, Mr Red-shirt's developmentally delayed son would be considered a demon and shunned or worse.

[@grip4us]

As usual AIG looks only at popular press summaries not the actual scientific articles

[@cliveadams7629]

Back in the way back when, the idea was that it made everyone feel comfortable getting out the food they'd brought with them without worrying they'd have to share it with a load of people who'd brought none. Or an I thinking loaves and fishes? Whatever, it's all bollocks.

[@gracesprocket7340]

It is a 'fisherman's tale' it requires no miracle, it is mere exaggeration. It was 5,000 fish and it was this big.

[@relaxcrochet6515]

Great video, thanks