Did SELLSWORD ARTS just blatantly LIE about me?

A reply to @SellswordArts and his video:
shadiversity ATTACKED me over a Misunderstanding? A Response
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[@anomalydestroyer3901]

I know that these comments are going to be an endless sea of love and hate, and that this likely will never meet your eyes. But I feel the urge to apologize. I let David convince me that you were doing exactly what he was twice. I feel as though it is the most idiotic thing I’ve let happen in my recent life. I let him convince me that you were false and disingenuous when he knows not even the slightest inkling of who you are. I’ve been watching your videos for almost a decade, and have many reasons why I remain subscribed to this channel even when I disagree with you at times. And then, I let someone I knew nothing about convince me that you were someone you aren’t. I could so greatly detail how sappy I am over my own gullibility. And yet, you remain transparent and honest, and most of all, accepting of your criticism, and your mistakes. Something that though he claims to do, he clearly isn’t willing to. I for the final time, am deeply sorry for doubting your integrity that I’ve known for so long, because of baseless accusations from someone I do not care about. More than that, thank you for being honest, humble, and genuine in your response, and clarifying the things that confused me and likely others. It really demonstrates that the response you were given was a deflection rather than a defense. And thank you for pinning the comment about the aggressiveness of your defense, and acknowledging that it was in that moment, quite heated. It makes me admire you for how you admit to your own actions, which is something our world has forgotten to do. In all, for the too long didn’t read: I will continue watching your content and supporting you and your team until you migrate or lay down the mantle. Thank you for reminding me why I love Shadiversity, why I respect you, and who was truly being disingenuous.

[@shadiversity]

Thank you, your words are very sincere and encouraging. Hope to see you on the channel a long time into the future.

[@anomalydestroyer3901]

@@shadiversity I’ll be sure to start commenting! Much love Shad and team.

[@danorris5235]

Dude, as someone who has dealt with pits of snakes his entire life well beyond what is normal to experience I have to say even though I have nothing to do with your apology seeing it gave some light to my soul. It makes me feel like there's still people out there who can wake up after being taken advantage of and realize they're getting had. And, just because I'm pretty immature, I've got to say that -David? Daniel?- is definitely hitting white-hot on the "Hello, I'm a Weasel, But Let Me Explain Why I'm Not" scale.

[@anomalydestroyer3901]

@@danorris5235 I’m doing my best. But sometimes we all fall for manipulation… I’m just more gullible than most. Glad to brighten your day, and I hope it stays bright.

[@irsyadamir4166]

​@@anomalydestroyer3901wake up dude, sheeesh this man is insufferable

[@DystOptimist]

Never in my life did i think i would be watching a video about sword nerd drama.

[@nerdjournal]

bro. watch the original video and then tell me how much crazier it is that this dude here appears to be lying about the drama. Man people have some HUGE egoes

[@Ezekiel_B_Gruntfuttock]

@@nerdjournal Who are you even talking about?

[@JohnAnderson-ev3lp]

​@@Ezekiel_B_Gruntfuttock what's your profile picture from it's familiar but I can't remember.

[@Nockblock]

@@Ezekiel_B_Gruntfuttock Answer the man I’m curious

[@fernandogajo8800]

that doesn't apply to me... I like swords, nerd culture and drama... Seems pretty predicteable for me that i would end up here.

[@FarFromtheSuns]

I don't know if this was ever pointed out, but the appeal to authority with regard to the double bladed sword is self defeating... because a double bladed sword is not a sword. Let's imagine Sellsword was a channel about halberds and he was a halberd expert. Let's imagine someone hands him a throwing axe and he starts trying to use it as a halberd and declares it to be useless. That's what we're looking at. A guy who has a weapon he's never touched before saying that the weapon is useless based on his experience with a completely different weapon. To reiterate: a double bladed sword is not a sword. Now, having said that, I think it's a totally impractical weapon that is outshined by weapons that are cheaper, easier to use, and more effective. Which I think is, in large part, what Shadiversity's conclusion was as the halberd was clearly shown to mop the floor with it.

[@GanjaCoyote]

Seems no one can argue with that. 😁 He was not wrong that it was useless, specifically in his hands. His mistake is the arrogance to assume that his experience is universal, and his unwillingness to give it a fair shot, by simply looking to confirm his assumptions, rather than attempt to accurately assess the weapon's strengths as well as its weaknesses. No one ever claimed it was an ideal form for a weapon to take, they were simply trying to assess whether it was better or worse than you would assume it to be. There is a big difference between testing your assumptions versus looking to confirm your own assumption that you are always right.

[@FlexxibleFree]

​@@GanjaCoyoteI'd say in the hands of a master and all that. It's somewhat obvious that double-bladed sword has upper hand over the usual sword in some areas and it was proven. That's all that needed to be said and if Sellsword pride was hurt he could make it a challenge of martial type not the useless internet boxing that we have here

[@Inspectorzinn2]

I was going to same the same thing, Sellsword's keeps talking about swordsmanship and fencing but he's reviewing/opining on a pole arm. Going to disagree on the 2nd point after watching Shad's sparring session. It smoked the sword in a 1v1. It definitely has more punch than just the stick end of a halberd.

[@ShinFahima]

This post sounds like halberd propaganda.

[@curtisimhof7738]

I would describe the double-bladed sword as a long-bladed short spear with two heads

[@Tikuros]

The time comes to mind, when a heckler told a comedian, he can't form an opinion about parenting, because he himself does not have a child. His response comes to mind a lot: "Miss... I am not a helicopter pilot either. But if I walk around and I see one crashed in a tree, I know somebody fucked up"

[@GanjaCoyote]

That was Steve Hoffstader (spelling probably wrong). Ginger Jewish-American Comedian who routinely destroys hecklers.

[@tobiaslundqvist3209]

So if you want to learn how to fight would you rather get taught by a person with years of experience and practice in the field or someone who does not train, has little experience but warches alot of fightsports?

[@glentight]

​@@tobiaslundqvist3209Depends if you're Diego Sanchez or not😂.

[@tobiaslundqvist3209]

@@glentight I am ashamed i don't have the context🫣

[@Tikuros]

​​@@tobiaslundqvist3209This is not about who can teach others how to fight. But you can form an opinion, based on limited knowledge or just common sense as well. Sure you have the higher chance to get it wrong. But it doesn't mean you have no right for your opinion or you will automatically get it wrong. This David guy could have stayed in his lane and produce quality content that brings in the masses. Instead he chose to lash out and try to climb over others. That is just shitty. Period.

[@Ragatokk]

As a Norman knight from 1200, I find it hillarious how bad these sword people on youtube are.

[@hankhooper1637]

Norman, a really old dude like you knows a lot about swords. But I never imagined you'd figure out youtube. Grats to you!

[@RandomComicEnjoyer]

My good sir I ask if you like waffles or pancakes!!

[@roddangerson2046]

😂😂😂😊

[@spaceknight793]

You, too?! I thought I was the only one….

[@megawaffle612]

@@RandomComicEnjoyerHe better know there is only 1 correct answer here!

[@DeanJMU]

Anecdotally, I find people saying that they are trying to "keep everything positive" is code for "I will censor everything that I deem as not positive."

[@trulsrohk1]

it's the typical verbal bully reaction do not being able to take what they dish out

[@brombombadil]

Yeah, it puts on a show of goodwill and piety, but the reality is anything that they perceive as proving them wrong is "negativity". It's the badge of collectivism.

[@shocktnc]

Sellsword literally spent three days deleting comments he didn't like, and admitted to doing it maliciously in his responses to people. Not only was he purposely creating hateful feelings towards shad, he lied and said he wanted everyone to be nice.

[@ChillgameshGaming]

A comment from Sellsword I just noticed: "So yes, I will continue to delete comments from people who have already convicted me in their minds of things that I have not done based on a video misrepresenting my ideas." First, deleting comments not because they are toxic but because their perspective is different? WTF? Because let's be honest, if someone is claiming he is doing something he doesn't believe he did, it's more likely its because that's how they took it, not because they are witch hunting. But ironically, how many of the comments he deleted are from people who are trying to have an honest discussion and had open minds, but he convicted them in his mind of something they aren't doing just because he's misunderstood their intent. It's like a mobius loop of disingenuousness... my head is starting to hurt.

[@Madison-iw8ix]

When tolerance is your main virtue, you become intolerant of those you seem intolerant. Therefore, you are a hypocrite. (Not you as in YOU, but the general you.)

[@roberthill5549]

It's the arrow on the left or right side of the bow debate all over again. "You can't be accurate shooting from the right side of the bow! I've done this all my life!" _"It's _*_because_*_ you've shot all your life from the left that you can't do the right. Other people learned the opposite and shoot just as well."_

[@matchesburn]

Sellsword is the NUSensei of swords. Prove me wrong.

[@WaybackFencingClub]

You 2 keep arguing and FIE will step in and purchase the HEMA alliance. Hope you like longsword with ROW.

[@rbwbr]

Funny enough even before Shad's video when I was a kid- I shot a self made "bows" having the arrow on the right side, it was natural to me. Which transfered to the actual archery with an actual bow And I was like: what a pile of bullshit that topic even was

[@Senatios]

What happened back then exactly?

[@HalLongsword]

Ironically there's a lot of comment under Sellsword's video bringing that up to show how ignorant Shad is on archery. You can check the comments under Skallagrim's comment for example, where one claim that physic itself disagrees with Shad.

[@SoulessGinger-fz7lh]

One thing I have found invaluable, in my experience engineering, is sharing any issues I am having on a project with: a) other engineers that know nothing about the project. b) sharing my issues with people who know nothing about engineering. There are so many times where I get so caught up in the info I know I miss the obvious solutions and sharing it with someone with a broader view on the situation helps remove the blinders. I can see the same thing happening when practicing swordsmanship, especially in functionally uncharted territory like a double bladed sword. Don't disregard someone who is less experienced, they may have spotted something you miss if you had tunnel vision while putting together a project.

[@watch_omega]

As someone who is in college for mechanical engineering, I can confirm that some of the most useful people are the ones who know nothing about the subject/engineering at all. They can often come up with solutions from outside-the-box, because they were never "inside" the box to begin with lol. I totally agree that this could very well be applied to this discourse about swordsmanship, but I still believe that Sellsword Arts is being intentionally misleading.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

​@@watch_omegayou would say that, im sure it makes you feel good and special, considering youre talking about yourself... you have no experience as youre still in school... Too early to change your major? Mechanical engineering is a dying path. Its been on its way out for at least a decade...

[@jamesm1]

To bad shad has alienated much of the community by ranting about women wearing pants being a sign of the moral degeneracy destroying the west lol.

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

Well said. Were you the same username on FB about 6 or 7 years ago?

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

On a Satire, Comedic page of sorts?

[@thrrax]

The problem with this approach is that if you only listen to authority, sometimes you can get in trouble.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

If you only listen to authority, you won’t sometimes get in trouble, you’ll always get in trouble because you are making a tool of yourself. When tools come as easy as they do nowadays, it’s cheaper to leave it broken than fix it. That’s what’s wrong with people today.

[@orion5055]

Just an anecdote to try and visualize Shad's point about correct being correct no matter skill or experience: I work as a deckhand for a towing company, it was late at night and we had to build our tow on two empty barges. I have only a few weeks of experience on the job, compared to my coworker whos been with the company for 2 years. After we built our tow, I had an inkling of doubt about its strength, because of a way I was taught by a few different deckhands before I worked with my current crewmate. However, I didn't say anything, because I didn't want to "insult" a more experienced crewmate by making it seem like he didnt know how to do his job. Later that night aftwr we went off watch, our tow busted due to being too weak to resist the high waters. Moral of the story: If you know better, then say so, the worst that could happen is being corrected. Those who dismiss others due to lack of skill are either disingenuous or arrogant enough to think they could never be wrong.

[@CowCommando]

Had a bunch of lawn mowers fall of a trailer because I, the new guy, didn't question the old hand about the tie down being tight enough. Having to push the mowers out of the ditch because it was to steep to drive them out really taught me this lesson the hard way.

[@Great_Wall_of_Text]

My brother tells a fun story about an old timer in the industry (brick laying) explaining that he was right because he'd been doing it for forty years, then immediatly learning he'd been doing it wrong for forty years. It's a fun story. I'll let him tell it.

[@Lttlemoi]

If you asked my late grandfather how to care for and grow plants, he'd happily teach you a very inefficient and intensive method to care for the seedlings that he probably used from his teens during the war until he died 92 years of age. It worked for him for more than 70 years, sure, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be improved upon. That being said, I've also had new colleagues who, without inquiring about our work methods, immediately wanted to change everything, only failing to realize that there were valid reasons why we sometimes did things in a certain way. What I'm trying to say is, established rules and habits definitely need to be questioned, but try to understand first.

[@livinglegond]

I'm getting flashbacks to when Shad had to combat all the "professional archers" that were trying to disprove his style of shooting and the speed, accuracy, and consistency he was accomplishing when he was starting out and building up the skills and muscles of an archer. Many of the other professional archers were criticizing Shad about his test and results of those tests because he wasn't as "experienced" as they were and he was trying something they felt was the wrong way to do archery. The topic around the 19:00 mark is giving me significant flashbacks to that time on the channel.

[@Jimalcoatl]

Yeah. That whole archery drama was funny. People seem to overvalue experience without qualification. If you've been doing something wrong for 20 years, it doesn't make you better, it just means your bad practice has become solidified.

[@kaltaron1284]

@@Jimalcoatl IIRC both ways have their pros and cons. You just need to be aware of them and choose the technique and equipment that works for what you're trying to do.

[@Jimalcoatl]

@kaltaron1284 Fair enough. My comment about experience was intended to be broader than just the two archery methods, but I see how that can be unclear in context. I've just found so many instances in life where people expect you to respect their experience and then when I watch and analyze what they are doing, they are riddled with bad practices and won't listen to criticism of any kind.

[@kaltaron1284]

@@Jimalcoatl Yeah. Best argument ever: "We've always done it this way."

[@tf2g44]

OMG i feel the same!

[@TheMarineDoctor]

I dunno...as far as swordsmanship goes...would it not be a totally different battle if one was trying to eliminate the other opponent for real...so are there really actually swordsman now?

[@watch7966]

I think it would. The biggest difference would probably be caution on the part of the opponents. A lot of the HEMA duels end so quickly because they make these rather risky moves to hit the opponent. There aren't any real, permanent consequences for taking a hit.

[@galetine5253]

I don't need to be a painter to say "that's a shitty paint-job"

[@j_d.darrenhunter5803]

Yeah, but you'd need to be a painter before you can tell someone HOW to do it better. Here's a question. Who would you rather take medic advice from? Doctor, or a guy who gets all his knowledge from Grey's anatomy? Better yet, who would you rather have operate on you? Surgeon, or a guy who's only source of knowledge comes from House M.D?

[@galetine5253]

@@j_d.darrenhunter5803 that’s a false equivalency. Greg’s anatomy is not a source of legitimate information on medical care. A more accurate comparison is a doctor who is not a surgeon telling you that you need a surgery. Because it’s absolutely possible for a doctor of internal medicine to be educated on the best course of action without having practice in the procedure. Or, a doctor who isn’t a surgeon may tell you that a surgical consult is wrong to suggest surgery, even though they aren’t a surgeon. Similarly, it’s absolutely possible to educate yourself on how best to paint a wall without ever picking up a roller or brush.

[@chukyuniqul]

But you do need to be a painter to say what makes a good paint job. In this analogy, a bad paint-job is a swordfighting style that gets you killed. For obvious reasons, this can't be seen so the closest thing to it is seeing which one gets hit more, all other factors being equal. And I'm pretty sure shad doesn't fence as frequently as david, ergo the sample size is comparably poor ergo his credentials are more doubtful-WHEN IT COMES TO "realistic" swordfighting.

[@FreakazoidRobots]

I've consistently called out even people I like for doing "blind items," where they criticize people without naming them. I hate that middle school girl kind of behavior. If you've got something to say to somebody, you should be able to say it to their face. I also hate people who appeal to themselves as an authority. If you're really that good, you should be able to explain your point of view instead of just saying "trust me, bro."

[@johntheknight3062]

That is what struck me the most about him. His skill in art of gaslighting is better than in swords.

[@JackalMJ]

I actually thought it was respectful. He didn't point at anyone. Didn't try to discredit names. Simply said, don't treat them as experts and here are some people I follow. Hell he even said you djoukf question him to. But no, you need names and a direct attack. It wasn't meant to be am attack.

[@johntheknight3062]

@@JackalMJ Dude. He literally listed 90% of things that were asociable with Shad. He also never confirmed that it wasn't aimed at him and he let his fans go after Shad all the time. So... maybe next time try to use a little logic?

[@gabornemes6932]

​@@JackalMJ Well I don't think it is respectful when it worded this strongly and in this vague manner. It could and will be aplicable to a massive chunk of the community by making the remark they are not credible. I think you need to name people in this instance to avoid blanketing a large amount of channels.

[@JackalMJ]

@@gabornemes6932 I think it was foolish to do for they very reason how it's ended. But I genuinely believe he wanted to say his point without attacking anyone. What should have happened in my opinion is Shad reaching out to him and saying "hey this looks like and attack on me." If it wasn't Sellsword could issue a correction and if it was Shad could then openly call him on it. Instead he just went to the attack. and I get it, Shad has felt attacked a lot lately.

[@thomaslacroix6011]

Honestly, it was his mistake to try a middling critique of other channels. He's being vague enough that there can be no definite conclusion about what he truly means, and therefore he can defend his vague accusations as being whatever he wants them to be.

[@sakesaurus1706]

That's the funny thing. Even while being a pussy and not saying anything of substance he fails to back up what little he says. He literally lies and goes back on what he did say. That's not defending that's just face saving. I would prefer it if he just threw some undiluted toxic vitriol at others and was not afraid to name drop that, that I wouid enjoy. It's just boring tho, nothing redeeming about another optics obsessed pathologic liar. It's boring.

[@ewanfinlayson3520]

you can clearly tell he thinks he's the "kool kid" of sword content because he thinks he's the highest level of skill on the internet of swordmanship, even though he practices a very niece version of sword fighting. if he was the" world champ of medievil MMA" i might want to listen to him more.

[@xenosayain1506]

Those guys are brutal. ​@@ewanfinlayson3520

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

No, actually it was quite smart. 1. He didn't point at anyone so if, for example, it turns out that Shad is some sort of Hema champ, sellsword can easily says that it was not about Shad. And if Shad just do what he did... He will looks like drama queen. 2. He say something obvious, that can be seen as attack. Like when i says "sky is blue" nobody cares. But he says that if you want to learn sword, you should watch people who do sword and people go mad. 😂

[@TheDraco877]

something Shad called out in the original video he made

[@Olav_Hansen]

2:47 "a true swordsman" Really subtle way to call out a use of the true scotsman fallacy.

[@fluppet2350]

I really wonder what a man at arms in almost any other period of history would feel about this guy. I have a slight feeling that he would no longer be a “true” swordsman

[@Olav_Hansen]

@@fluppet2350 aside from that someone with that amount of practice could only be a noble, never having had a real fight makes him 'mid' most likely. Not a farmer with 3 months of training, but definitely not a seasoned warrior. First blood would likely make him lose face, as aspect that shad has probably put more thought into then he ever has.

[@accelerator8929]

@@Olav_Hansen This doesn't even make sense. How would you presume that Shad put more thought into sword play than the actual, real fencer? And the first point is just irrelevant to anything. Not every man at arms or expert in swordsmanship was fucking Fiore or Musashi. And even today, it's not even relevant. Because who is going to war with swords in 2024. Fencing exists today as a practical application of history and the legacy of the art. The true swordsman of today has a very competent understanding of the concepts illustrated in the manuals, and how to adapt and use them. Anyone else should stay within their means.

[@Aka-Spade]

I think it's weird to say that someone should only be able to speak with confidence about how a sword is used if you're a fencer, because there are people like those who forge the swords that also need to have a knowledge of how swords are used in order to make a functional one in the first place. I'm someone who likes to observe a lot of things, and while I am definitely aware that I lack training in certain other things like game deisgn, that doesn't mean I can't speak about what I like and dislike about a game's design just because I don't make them. As a graphic designer and artist, I find the opinions of people who aren't skilled in that to be just as important as a trained professional's because as an artist, ordinary people are going to be seeing my work. It doesn't mean I'm trying to make my work appeal to "everyone", it just means that I'm taking their thoughts into consideration before I make a decision. Sometimes, you have to have "fresh eyes" on something before you can be fully done with it, you know?

[@cynicalpsycho5574]

I really do believe he makes the same mistake as NUSensei but instead of "modern target shooting" he applies "fencing" to everything in all contexts and situations half of which it shouldn't.

[@xato3796]

Also add “modern target shooting with pistols” because swords were sidearms.

[@xato3796]

And the double bladed sword was more akin to a failed rifle prototype that never saw a military contract. So he wants the authority to say: I’m an expert in modern target shooting with pistols and therefore the HS-10 Model B shotgun would definitely lose in a gunfight against my 9mm race gun. Military and firearms historians need not comment on this because they aren’t practicing the art of shooting.

[@kyle18934]

​@@xato3796 he's a tactical shooting guy attacking forgotten weapons. that is an excellent comparison you made.

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

What did Nusensei do? I don't watch him much.

[@edwardcullen1739]

@@kyle18934 I don't know NUSensei, but I do know Gun Jesus. I know Garand Thumb, Paul Harrell and many, many others. I never heard of NUSensei until now. My instinct is that this is not coincidence/information enough. 🤷‍♂️

[@Aero3691]

“Experience is the mother of illusion” - Immanuel Kant Just because someone has a lot of experience in a particular field doesn’t mean they’re always right, or even anywhere near it.

[@dylanmulvaney9912]

Or good in there field of expertise

[@A-Monkman]

He'd be the first to fall in real combat lol

[@davidragan9233]

LOL That quote reminder me of the Evil Overlord List! "One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation."

[@GRIZY28]

How delusional are all u shad fanboys. 1 guy practices regularly and actually knows the techniques . 1 guy play fights his friends in the backyard . People say this when they don't know what tf they're doing

[@ramadhanbenny6640]

the hubris of men

[@Forscythe80]

Nurse here. I've seen 25-year experience nurses be less than good. I've seen new graduates' nurses be absolutely brilliant. More years doing something doesn't always mean you get better. And some people can be good at something without being a veteran at it.

[@j_d.darrenhunter5803]

Okay but that's missing the initial point. The point originally being made is "If you don't practice the art, you can't tell other people how to do the art properly." All the groups in your example all practice the occupation. A random Joe who's only experience comes from reading a a few text books and watching Grey's anatomy has no right how to tell a real nurse (veteran or not) how they should be doing their job. Even better is just to ask who would you rather want treating you? A veteran nurse, a new nurse, or a guy who only watches House MD. I'll take my bets with either Actual nurse before I let armchair doctor anywhere near me. That's the point. If you're looking for ways to learn how to do something, the best place to look is people who do the thing you want to learn.

[@moonpolarmoon]

@@j_d.darrenhunter5803 What if random Joe correct tho?

[@Ph03nix1]

My rule of thumb: if someone attacks the credibility of another content creator unprovoked, in order to bolster their own credibility, they’re probably acting in bad faith

[@zonefreakman]

It's really weird because his accusations came from nowhere unprovoked. He claims he wants a positive atmosphere and no toxicity, but then attacks a part of the sword community. Not just a disagreement, but saying that creators like Shad are invalid in their opinions and shouldn't be listened too.

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

@@zonefreakman It isn't out of no where though. He's been making low brow attacks on content creators for a while now.

[@Quotheraving]

Yeah the need to elevate yourself by putting others down is toxic plain and simple. Worse it poisons society since it both normalises and encourages that behaviour in others. Attacking another's credibility doesn't necessarily equate to bad faith though. For example you can fully believe that you are trying to suppress disinformation and see the other person as using their credibility to lend weight to a lie while still being open to rational and unbiassed re-examination of that opinion through discourse; However, in this case it seems more motivated by egotism. Consequently the motivation to be seen as correct is more important than actually being objective or open and that really does kill all hope of a good faith discussion.

[@tobiaslundqvist3209]

Yeah it's the only thing Shad does. This entire thing is based on Shad fabricating that bit about Sellswords attacking him. And to think his favorite word to discredit others is disengenuous🤣

[@sethwright8870]

Disagree with me if you will, but this is what David and his followers think about Shad. Understanding perspectives in important to solving disputes

[@TheJaegerfeld]

I think the problem is that nobody is a real Swordsman in this day and age. Nobody fights to the death. Nobody trains to fight to the death. So nobody knows what it's like to do exactly that. A Hans Talhoffer knew this, but nobody does today. Nor does a self-proclaimed fencing master. We are all trying to learn and evolve. A true master knows this and respects the path of others. (and also tries to learn from it) Just keep doing what you are doing, it is a pleasure to listen to you.

[@FoxtrotFleet]

I dunno, i'm seeing lots of machete culture building in the UK.

[@TheJaegerfeld]

@@FoxtrotFleet i don't think a fancy machete wielder in london would last more than a few seconds against any 14th century fighter.

[@destrobatman5640]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@zigzaghyena3633]

@@FoxtrotFleet Yes, but the deadliest machete wielders, much like the deadliest gunslingers of the old west, are the sneaky thugs and punks that jump their targets on a dark night when they're back is turned, and not the hobbyists attempting to formalise it.

[@brushe8025]

True sellsword did a vid wherein he said that modern hema practitioners would defeat the middle ages Knights . Load of bull fighting on the battlefield vs fighting in a gym . I'll back the battlefield experienced Knights over a pussey in a gym . Any day of the week

[@lukecoffelt5459]

"And remember For what standard you hold other people to, that should b the standard that you hold yourself to." Amen to that brother.

[@paloim]

Nah, you should always hold yourself to higher standards than you do others. This doesn't take away from Shad's point that he's hypocritical

[@paloim]

@@phandaal my point is only on the personal philosophy, it's not meant to attack Shad's point against sellsword being a hypocrite.

[@Nioclas64]

I love how Sellsword has a massive diversity flag behind him as he intentionally keeps comments mocking Shad's religion, so much for inclusivity, Sellsword really makes members of all faiths feel welcome.

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

David's viewer said that they will start gate keeping after that video. Also they said because matpat which big creator to call out to defend him and give doubt to shad. Yeah his viewers exactly what is his vid by product. I think pg creators have you tube toxic mentality.

[@Undead_Raven]

I personally hold myself to a higher standard than I do others, as I have the most facts about me, rarely do i have all the facts about others. Above is the bear minimum.

[@ordastarre1534]

Funnily enough, I made the same priori vs posteriori argument to an acquaintance of mine when I told them about the argument happening between yourself and David.

[@Roosauec]

I tried to point out the flaws of his own argument in his video in the comment section. He accused me of not listening to him, and just dismissed my entire list of points which discredit him. I feel like he's very intellectually dishonest. And I also feel he's projecting what he's doing onto others. I don't think he watched your entire video at all, and instead he just imagined the arguments you made, while simultaneously making counter arguments against those arguments. Which is called a strawman fallacy.

[@fellington2398]

The juvenile responses do not help his case at all

[@k101_]

I think that person may not be worth interacting with after this point. They appear to be more concerned with their own image than they do with progressing the subject matter.

[@als3022]

After the attacks he made against anyone who disagreed with him, I think ignoring him from this point on is best.

[@Nitro1000]

Yes but it’s a good way to keep him in the argument points without being able to curate a response or deflect.

[@joesjoeys]

FYI: I love your Mythbusters'esque approach to trying unique and interesting content that I wouldnt see elsewhere. Yes, sometimes its not realistic, but you're pretty open with it, like with your massive 'Buster Sword'. Everyone knows its unrealistic, but seeing Shad and the boys try to make one that is as close to actually representation while still usable is great fun! I dont see how "A fundamental misunderstanding of how these things (swords) work" leads to "experiments, demonstrations, and videos that are misinformed". Those two statements seem extremely disconnected. The way we learn how the world works is through experiments and demonstrations. I dont know what level of swordsmanship Shad or the boys have, but it is clear they have studied and engaged in at the minimum *SOME* sword training and practice. The desire to attempt to recreate medieval fighting from manuscripts is exactly that: "Experimentation and demonstration". That is a fundamental and base part of learning.

[@Soinetwa]

i want an expert in nonexistant weapons to show me how they are best used .. by that standard noone could do these videos

[@kaltaron1284]

I'd argue that the point of that project is to see what modern materials can accomplish. There's a decent chance that it won't work or that the process is too involved or expensive to be feasible. Or it might be impossible to get the properties you need for a functional sword while staying light-weight enough. But I'm very curious to see where the experiment goes.

[@maxdanielj]

I thought it was basically an engineering student with no real world experience telling Jamie Hyneman he was doing mythbusters wrong

[@kaimagnus5760]

The biggest fallacy to these "I was trained in so I know how to fight better than you" types is that not a single Martial Art, historic or otherwise, tells you what to do AFTER a guy twice your size kicks you in the nads and throws you on the ground. Nothing but real life or death combat gives you "experience" in a battle. Everything else is experimentation, replication, and reverse engineering. That's what Shad and everyone else does. And anyone who claims they "do more" is a pompous fool who places to much faith in their own abilities.

[@Danspy501st]

Mythbusters are also great at holding their experiments as to what would be realistic. Then after they had found out that a certen myth is busted, then they do the unrealistic where you almost have to be a superman (Like the myth about giving someone a under cut that would knock them flying out of their socks) They then afterwards talk about it, and choose if the myth is true or not. Those episodes for me arent misinformed, but rather entertaining and still helped me to teach me some things about physic and stuff when I was a child watching them. One such episode that I remember about them saying anything physically is when they forgot Newton's 3rd Law of some cannon ish type they were testing in a small scale

[@thethrashyone]

"You took me out of context" has to be the most overused stalling tactic in Internet discourse. Seems like only 1% of the time are they correct in that accusation, and 99% of the time reintroducing the "missing" context doesn't help their argument in the slightest.

[@sfsin3380]

I've a simple test for that. After claiming they were taken out of context in a video do they provide the full clip (aka the context). If no they probably weren't taken out of context. If yes they genuinely think they where and I can watch the full clip to see if the context actually helped.

[@aceric1646]

@@sfsin3380except david did actually provide full context in his videos. You can also just look up his videos, if you see them there is a lot of context given. The drama that came up with this wasn't even ever directed at shad ever until shad said it was. In case you don't watch david's original full video which shad first made a response for, which you should, the tl;dr was, "Tips for how to use swords should be taken from sword practitioners, not sword enthusiasts/historians" never in the video was shad, or any other content creators for that matter, mentioned. In the response video, most of it was adding context to the clips that shad showed in his original response. As for why David deletes comments, if you look at some of the things people were saying about him on his comment feed, a lot of it was attacking him as a person, not the content he made.

[@sfsin3380]

@@aceric1646 yes I did he said what Shad claims he said. He may have misspoken amd ment something else but the context does not change what was he literally said in the clips. If he mispoke he need to own that and not get mad at people for taking what he said at face value.

[@mooocowcowcowmooo]

OMG I made it into his video for being "disrespectful" for pointing out he is 5 foot nothing, plays with "lightsabers" while getting mad at others talking about fantasy weapons. SSA has a Napoleon complex.

[@samoilenko3887]

If you are judging person’s content by his height you are not only disrespectful, but probably mentally retarded

[@DeusEx1977]

Ya know, I don't recall Shad or anyone on his channel claiming to be a HEMA Expert. There are forms of swordsmanship and combat that are not based on the German or Italian tradition. I would be willing to bet that the majority of swordsmen training in human history came in the form of trial and error and ad hoc teaching in the field.

[@CowCommando]

In the past, Shad's actually lamented his inability to participate in HEMA in the past (before he had a family?) because he lived too far away from the closest club to make it feasible. He wanted more practical experience, but didn't have the opportunity. That led him to practice on his own.

[@manyharmons4308]

​@@CowCommando he has since had some experience. Nowhere near David's bit some.

[@snintendog]

@@manyharmons4308 david has no expiernce though he is a full on Guru scammer.

[@zonefreakman]

If he met on the battlefield the average conscripted farmer from the medieval era he would get smoked.

[@jamesyoung7400]

@@zonefreakman I think so to, he strikes me as someone whose last act would be telling the farmer how he's doing it wrong.

[@NightLexic]

One takeaway i always get about Sellsword Arts is he is talking about one subset of swordsmanship. Fencing. Fencing is not the whole scope of swords. Its a way to fight using swords but its not the be all end all way to fight. I should clarify a bit, Swordsmanship and Fencing are used interchangeably even though they really shouldn't. Fencing in of itself is a style as it does imply the use of certain swords and sword techniques.

[@zaco-km3su]

His fencing won't work against an axe.

[@DarkMark-cf1ec]

If shad gets a lucky hit with the axe (and he will If in armour like in a real battle) Then sellout-sword is completely disarmed due to his bent sword

[@Subutai_Khan]

Fencing refers to all forms of melee fighting with weapons and the historical masters referred to everything from poleaxe fighting to rapier and saber fencing as variations of fencing Some of our sources even address group fighting directly like greatsword among others. Or what to do if you face multiple opponents (often the advice is to secure an escape route, simply run away, or cut as much as you can to escape.) it applies to just about any situation you can think of. It is not wrong to refer to the whole scope of sword combat as fencing and its all over the place in the historical evidence. Even Miyamoto Musashi's book of five rings refers to fencing in the translation.

[@JohnM34404]

@@Subutai_Khan As of the modern term, yes. This is just an argument about definitions of current vs original meaning of the word Fencing at this point. "Miyamoto Musashi's book of five rings refers to fencing in the translation", a translation that i assume is translating into current English instead of Old English. I believe in terms of swordsmanship Old English was less broad, for that is how i use Old English when i talk with it, though i may be wrong and if so would like proof so i can improve my Old English skills.

[@ChillgameshGaming]

@@Subutai_Khan When facing multiple opponents, run away. Having done a bit of SCA rapier I can attest, this is solid advice. 😆 Seriously though, I have read Book of FIve Rings and if I recall correctly he does talk about overcoming multiple enemies, so it's not the only possible strategy. But, unless you are worlds better than the amassed opponents, it's a good place to start.

[@s-man5647]

11:34 I just want to point out that David is also demeaning his audience by implying that they need help to distinguish between educational content and entertainment. People may need help discerning what is inaccurate or incorrect, but I think most people can make the more basic distinction between channels they watch to be educated versus to be entertained.

[@kamenriderkfp6684]

This is something I noticed too. It's almost as if he is telling his audience he does not trust their intelligence to be able to tell what is functional and what is fantastical swordsmanship. Mayhapse he has doubts in the quality of his own content given how it under performs compared to other sword related content creators

[@Madison-iw8ix]

I see that sort of thing in politics all the time. According to most leftists I've seen, black and latino people don't know how to use technology, and they haven't been trained how to eat healthy.

[@Aelvir114]

Except that was never his intention.

[@Aelvir114]

⁠@@kamenriderkfp6684That has nothing to do with it. He doesn’t think his viewers are unintelligent, but there are CCs who are basically armchair swordsman who spread misinformation. But imagine jumping to the conclusion that he thinks he underperforms compared to other CCs. Swordsman CCs would have no need to compete with each other

[@kamenriderkfp6684]

@@Aelvir114 I wasn't stating that was his intention. My comment is only speculation not assumption. The evidence is there however if one chooses to interpret things that way which makes it a matter of opinion over outright fact By David stating a criteria on the validity on whose content his viewers should and should not watch or listen to as he later tried to say his meaning was, he is feeling a need to point it out to his viewers implying he may not trust them to be able to figure that out by their own informed decision As for his content performance compared to others in the sword community, others have pointed out his channels recent analytics and it has plainly stagnated while others also brought up have seen not significant but steady increases in viewers. This combined with David voicing his opinion on how pop culture sword videos perform better than functional ones which is the bulk of what he covers and his direct criticism of pop culture sword media in his video that started all this, does leave room to believe he may doubt his content a little. And that isn't a bad thing. To doubt is to think and through that he may find new ways to invigorate his content or explore new areas if he feels the need to do so. Again this is just speculation based on possible interpretation. If someone chooses to voice this opinion, which I do not, the evidence is there to support it. It should however still only be taken as a voice of opinion and not fact

[@podolsky6246]

Lol, he might be genuinely don't want to be known as toxic, but has no problems to be toxic. That's how most liars and opportunists do.

[@Phoboskomboa]

"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame." -uncle Iroh

[@heathercampbell6059]

Absolutely brilliant application for an absolutely brilliant (and true) quote.

[@EnwardSnowman]

Nobody should quote cartoons unless they have personally been a cartoon character. My followers are advised to only listen to ME, who is an expert cartoon character.

[@Madison-iw8ix]

There's a reason pride is considered the father of all sins.

[@rohanking12able]

Shame made pride. How was I prideful because I was ashamed?

[@rohanking12able]

​@@EnwardSnowmanwhat

[@maxwellvonderwell3974]

Okay, so I'm a vocalist in a metal band. I struggle to do clean singing. So I'm not a "Singer." Does this mean I cannot say that someone who should be singing in, say, G# is flat because I don't practice singing as much as they do? I can tell when someone is flat or sharp without needing to do it myself. I can see when a swordsman is using a wrong stance, or a weak stance rather. I can tell bad choreograph without being a dancer. Like, that argument is absurd because most critics don't participate in the things they critique.

[@Tkoutlosh]

No it is not absurd because those are completely different things. YOu can criticize stage combat as same as you can criticize someone's singing, but fighting is not stage combat... it is like making advices about boxing, while you never did it. Do you really think it will work? It will inevitably lead to what is called bullshido.

[@hashthestampede873]

@@Tkoutloshbut shad has studied and practiced fencing and has even participated in it. It’s not like he’s just some random guy with no experience

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

​@@hashthestampede873 well, i don't remember, is that sellsword claim that Shad have no experience or not? Wait. He didn't mentioned him, did he? Well, who cares. Personally, i feel that it was about Shad, Shad feels the same so, i guess that is how it goes. Facts used to not caring bout our feeling btw.

[@docstockandbarrel]

@@Tkoutloshso because he's an expert in fake fighting that makes him an expert on combat? 👀.

[@GanjaCoyote]

@@Tkoutlosh People make this dumb argument all the time. Oh this one thing is different because of reasons of greater consequences or whatever. Philosophically there is no difference no matter what example you come up with. What you are talking about is credibility. Which is basically how to tell if someone is telling you the truth, or giving you good information, versus lying, embellishing, scamming, etc. When trying to establish credibility we rely heavily on traditional gatekeeping systems such as reputation, certification, qualifications, experience, and so forth. These are all good ways of talking a measure of if someone really knows what they are talking about. It is also possible to deceive oneself or to be deceived, despite having all of the right qualifications. You can still be right about something even if you have zero credibility, and you can still be wrong about something when you have all of the credibility in the world. Ultimately the only way that we can arrive at the truth is to continually and repeatedly test our hypothesis in every way imaginable, until the only reasonable conclusion presents itself. That is the distinction that is being lost when all of the armchair experts like you and me are so quick to make dumb comments like 'that would never work in a real fight.' We are essentially saying that they have to credibility to make such a claim, while completely ignoring that we have not established any of our own. So who are we to challenge them in the first place? Why comment on anything ever unless you have an arbitrary amount of experience with it? and it better be hands on, and not just theoretical, or none of that book learnin' nonsense!

[@slasherhawk]

By his definition, a high school senior playing a sport is more qualified to discuss said sport than a seasoned sport journalist because that senior is actively playing the sport, even though the journalist has been around the sport far longer.

[@jamesmoniz5263]

Actually false he talks about how historians can be very informed. But just stresses the need for audiences to be critical of what they watch and to be able to tell the difference between educational content and recreational content. Watch the original video and see how tame it is. The original creator said the most thing things, and shad found a way to make it about him and get offended.

[@RakkuTheEpic]

​@@jamesmoniz5263^this

[@iron_side5674]

Sounds like a Backpaddling to me. I personally do not care to hear the full extent of his backpaddling. I can blatantly see that he is moving the goalposts, claiming he did NOT say what he IN FACT SAID and then trying to remedy it into something more palatable. He is likely going to do this until the backlash is tolerable in his eyes. I´ve seen this behaviour online too much to care beyond the initial point of people doing it, i don´t care if anyone thinks this is fair, that man has clearly overstepped, tried to put others down to put himself up and he is being disingenuous about it and he´s clearly gonna keep doing it. And while i was not even aware of his existence before, i am now, and i am convinced that his content is not worth watching, and that is of his own doing. He lied about what he said, so why would i not assume he is lying about his expertise as well? No reason at all. Thoroughly disappointed.

[@richardbowman7116]

So wait.....this Sellsword is attempting to speak from a position of an active real steel swordsman? I currently participate with some of the finest, verified by victories and deeds, armoured combat fighters and duelists in the world and none of them would say this. I am going to have to know what named fighters this gentleman has bested in a full contact bout before I can take this argument seriously, at all.

[@ChristianBeckerKapraun]

I'd be surprised if he does full contact...

[@xenosayain1506]

Yoo what's the league. Been curious about the sport and how do get into it. And even if I can't get into it I'd love a league to follow!

[@zetsumeimaru]

I have gone Head to head with some of the Highest ranked Hema Longsword fighters in the country doing full armored combat. I have also fought battle of the nations participants. My performance is a bit of a mixed bag, and I absolutely forgot where I was going with this, but it is always great to see other armored combatants floating in the comments.

[@AZRockslide42]

The fact that I have seen you do entire videos correcting past mistakes you have made in videos speaks volumes about your integrity. Do not let this get you down. Just keep doing what you are doing, and we will keep watching.

[@whitewolf3051]

That’s what I like about Shad when I first started watching his videos. This other guy seems to be doubling down. Even is negative and confrontational with anyone who disagrees with him, can’t even leave a comment saying he’s wrong. Shad is the better person.

[@TheSilverShadow17]

There were multiple instances where Shad has admitted he was wrong, plus the fact that like everyone else he also made mistakes, and doesn't make any attempts to gaslight or hide it. SellswordArts meanwhile was pointing fingers at Shad and falsely berating him whilst playing the 'victim' of a fight he provoked in the first place. You can simply see the type of person he is just by looking at him. Apparently SellswordArts also aggressively denounces anyone who speaks boldly or calls him out in his comments section which is a form of insecurity.

[@Joey_Sabre]

@@TheSilverShadow17and in person according to some who actually met him which is even sadder than berating your followers because they disagreed with you on something.

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

No one will ever want to show their mistake. I think that is David trying to do. And His fans retaliate were I am part of. but the difference I am not a fanatic of him.

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

his fans mentality also go gate keeping after that vid.

[@NoQuarterNoMercy1]

I believe this spat to be an extension of the ongoing culture war. David is a different kind of person than Shad and cultivates a different audience than Shad. Over on Sellsword’s channel I asked David (or anyone) to explain the hypocrisy of claiming to have moral superiority deleting hateful comments while leaving up hateful comments about Shad, liking hateful comments about Shad and engaging in hateful comments going so far as to insult someone’s mother. His followers respond to me saying (paraphrasing here) he’s justified in doing that because he is fighting back against the perceived negativity against him. When I point out that’s what villains do, they justify evil behavior by claiming they are fighting evil, I get attacked and insulted by his followers. This spat boils down to two different moralities each trying to claim moral superiority, but with only one side keeping objective truth on their side thus owning the true high ground. I think we all know which side has truth as their ally. It’s crazy the world we live in where an esoteric community like this is yet another front in the western culture war.

[@ShamashintheWest]

I was just thinking about this. I was watching another response video made to another creator in the counter-culture sphere & made the same observation. Now, I didn't 100% believe the original creator's essay on the civil war, but I was open to the idea. The problem (I'm perceiving) was that this creator speaks in a highly rhetorical fashion in his pre-recorded videos - a youtube persona for the sake of entertainment that may not strike as intended for many people who can't separate tone from substance. Whereas if you watch his livestreams, he's a lot more calm. The responder & his comment section were highly, I would say, catty & petty. Not really displaying the attitude I would typical expect of a group genuinely interested in research in history or other fields, but from a group looking for confirmation bias. My suspicions of the channel were further exasperated when I looked at the rest of the guys channel & saw that he ONLY made response videos & his whole shtick was something along the lines of "ACTUAL historian reacts..." Basically a whole channel based around the appeal to authority.

[@Chuito12PR]

The way SellSwordArts just speaks and carries himself gave me a weird feeling and you managed to describe why perfectly. Dude was talking as if he never claimed to be an authority while doing literally everything while appealing to authority and practically giving himself as an example without outright saying so, that really made me uncomfortable. Its all just full of this air of disingenuity and falsehood. Like soulless almost.

[@caedenkniep3528]

Beautifully put. Sadly this is the way the world works these days. There is good and there is evil and it feels like lately the world is splitting to two sides more so than ever before. I'm afraid this is simply the beginning of the end.

[@riptors9777]

@@MartySantiago350 "Everyone who disagrees with me is literally hitler"

[@GanjaCoyote]

@@caedenkniep3528 This is only the end of a cycle that keeps on repeating itself through human history. Crisis leads back to New Growth to Awakening to Unraveling and back to Crisis before repeating again.

[@metertick1082]

i have been fencing for 10 years (as in Olympic style fencing) and playing around with various proper swords for a few years too, and i am consider myself to be on the left wing side of the political spectrum. Shadiversity's content seems to be more reliable from what i have observed, and after looking at this situation i have come to the conclusion that shadiversity is in fact correct (from the data i have observed). i actually looked into this now because people were being rather toxic about this whole thing in some discord communities, I hope this will die down eventually.

[@RealSeanithan]

"Truth is truth whether it comes from a king or a beggar." I'm reminded of Aaron Franklin talking about trimming a brisket because it makes it more "aerodynamic": there aren't a lot of more experienced people when it comes to barbecue than Aaron Franklin, but he was wrong about that (about the need to be aerodynamic, that is; not about trimming in that way being superior). Being a novice doesn't make true statements false, and being an expert doesn't make false statements true. I would say the expert does tend to have a higher ratio of true statements, but that's not absolute.

[@edwardcullen1739]

This is the very definition of humility. Humility is a virtue for a reason.

[@bloody4558]

Pretty much, there are many points in which I completely disagree with him. Especially his videos on some techniques which clearly show he does not understand the technique he is claiming to be useless. I have literally seen people win fights using those techniques, because they used them correctly. One thing these experts need to learn is that just because they don't see a use for a certain technique, it doesn't mean that technique is impossible to use. Being an expert in martial arts doesn't make you the defender of all truth. Each fencer/fighter has their own approach to it, so even something as restrictive as reverse grip can be a useful tool in the right hands. Something a more offensive fighter cannot see and will probably never understand how to use.

[@edwardcullen1739]

@@bloody4558 Or "just because you've done a lot of it, doesn't mean you're any good." 10 year old prodigies beat 60 year olds who've played chess their entire lives...

[@edwardcullen1739]

@@bloody4558 Or "just because you've done a lot of it, doesn't mean you're any good." 10 year old prodigies beat 60 year olds who've played chess their entire lives...

[@BananaMana69]

My Grandfather like may people of his day was interested in medieval stuff but had no real experience with it other then movies. He made a sword out of a car leaf spring that i love but its extremely badly designed. The handle is massive even though the blade is short and all the metal is way to thick, its like a heavy iron bar. This is the only sword i have ever held but thanks to Shad and other content creators i known its designed terribly. When my friends pick it up and exclaim how great of a weapon it would be because its heavy and would do lots of damage i correct them saying well actually most swords were just a few pounds and very nimble. Should i not be correcting my friends about the sword because i dont have experience with a properly designed sword?

[@hapakidyo]

I’ve practiced martial arts for 10 years, I’ve never done any kind of real weapons training. So I guess I can’t identify when someone’s footwork or technique is bad because I don’t fence. I have no right to criticize some Star Wars lightsaber fights because I don’t fight with lightsabers…or use the force.

[@Tkoutlosh]

Lightsaber fighting is stage combat, which is just art for entertainment as same, as dancing or singing, so you can dislike it and criticize it all day long and it all will be subjective view of the matter but completely valid. But fighting is slightly different stuff, isn't it?

[@hapakidyo]

@@Tkoutlosh you could say that “fighting” is very different from “killing” or “combat” as well. So can I argue that someone who’s practiced fencing or HIMA for years aren’t really qualified to talk about “real sword fighting” because they’ve never killed anyone with a weapon?

[@hapakidyo]

@@theeast7005 if a “bozo” who only watches UFC makes a VALID point wouldn’t I be the bozo for ignoring it? Just because someone has experience doesn’t mean they are perfect. The only people who stop growing are those who think they have nothing left to learn. So, because I’ve never fought with swords if I make a valid point it’s irrelevant? Do you hear how stupid that sounds? That’s like saying I can’t do my own taxes because I’m not an accountant. So if I say something like, “when fighting sword to sword with someone much stronger than yourself, using a static block would be unwise.” I can’t “know” that because I don’t fence? Even though common sense would tell you that it’s a bad idea when the attack has a good chance of breaking your block and you could easily parry the attack using less force. In martial arts it’s much more effective to slap a punch to the side than it is to catch it, but if you’ve never trained in martial arts you “couldn’t possibly know that” right?

[@ForestX77]

To be fair Grevious didn't use the force either and he killed how many jedi?

[@hapakidyo]

@@ForestX77 ya, that’s true. But he did have cybernetic implants to help make up for it. And Count Dooku trained him to use surprise and fear to make up for his lack of force abilities.

[@DarkLord-7]

So to add a little bit here, I think a fair example is look at Mythbusters. They tested science in every single episode. Not all of their results were necessarily correct, and they did revisit some of them. The thing is, while they were testing and experimenting with science, none of them were scientists, except for Grant who had a degree in engineering. Also, the impression I get from SellswordArts's argument is "outside opinions are worthless", which I very much disagree with. If you're trying to get an opinion on something, sure, you could ask someone who knows about the same stuff as you do, or you could ask someone who doesn't know and get a different perspective. Sometimes all you need is an outside perspective.

[@Welkor]

When you turn something into an art, you risk turning it into a sport instead. Then you start to think the rules are the bounds of what can be done. Art has no rules, no bounds, only what works and what might work under different circumstances.

[@AllyMonsters]

I guess that why Shad wants AI art to be allowed to steal from peoples works.

[@BernardTremblay-jx6en]

@@AllyMonsters so he' being consistent on his rule of art having no rule and so nothing barring AIs for entering? nice

[@AllyMonsters]

@@BernardTremblay-jx6en Question. Why would anyone need to look at anyone else's art or AI art then? You're asking for a world a delusion and seclusion. You essentially just want to be plugged into the matrix with only yourself to entertain.

[@kyleochoa9004]

Here's the thing, I don't know these people at all. But anytime someone tries to take a position of superiority and tell you why you SHOULDN'T listen to other people, be VERY wary of that person and anything and everything they say. This is almost a totally unimportant debate that should teach you a SUPER important lesson. Anyone who is knowledgeable, honest and straightforward has ZERO reason to want to stop you from hearing as many different opinions and interpretations of things as possible. Because they know that the more YOU know, the more you will agree with them. People who are ill informed, dishonest or deceptive always want to stop you from getting any information that may contradict them because they know the more you know the LESS you will agree with them. Always beware anyone who wants to silence dissenting opinions.

[@The2Kah]

This comment needs more likes. 100% true.

[@greenman4508]

Amen. The attempt to censor and silence is the path of a coward or deceiver . Just a principle of life. It always comes from a place of weakness

[@AllTheOthers]

The point David is trying to make is one of truthful learning, but he's missing out on a lot of the nuance. And no matter his intentions, what he ended up doing was creating an atmosphere of gatekeeping in his community, isolating people which disagreed with him and silencing them in his comment section by deleting their comments critiquing him.

[@extremepredudice]

Amen brother.

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

Nah, only lesson here is no community above stupid beefs, tribalism and so on. And me thinking that Dota vs LoL was idiotic...

[@NoQuarterNoMercy1]

Reminds me of a time where I had my front coilover shocks replaced in my truck. The mechanic installed the top hat upside down. I immediately realize something was wrong when the trucks ride and handling characteristics were way off I brought it back and he tried me saying he has 25 years of experience and he put them on correct. Well, I did some digging And found the installation guide, took pictures and proved to him that he did in fact install them upside down. He tried to gaslight me and say well that’s because I thought you wanted a lift and it’s supposed to be installed like that when you do a lift. BS. He got caught on his complacency just like David

[@samuraiknightz8067]

This! I strongly feel this way too. This can be apply to literally anything. You can't be going around saying things like "if you don't do the art, you can't talk about the art" or something along those lines. I like sellsword arts but when he first said those lines I knew it was bad. I didn't right away thought of gatekeeping but when I watch Shads reply video I understand right away. I know Sellsword is a cool guy, he offered free teaching lessons at one point and stuff but you just can't go around gatekeeping and making lies or rephrasing it like you didn't say or do anything wrong. There's proof of what he said and did.

[@jamie7472]

Our fitter at work got caught out by that attitude. An air regulating device was pulled from its housing which according to him should have prevented the machine from operating. However because the machine continued to operate but at a reduced capacity this particular valve was never considered and fault was placed on the operator as every other component was checked and in good condition. Another fitter comes in, listens to the operator and decides to check this particular air regulator anyway. 20 minutes later a problem that had been ongoing for weeks had been solved.

[@TrueFork]

@@jamie7472 you ALWAYS check first what you think is definitely not the cause of the problem, because that's often it

[@covahredro8370]

11:13 there is no misunderstanding of the context(David), when you tell someone not to listen to another content creator, you are explicitly saying not to watch them too. As in order to watch someone's content, you also have to listen to them. Now if he said don't take their advice on technics, tactics and usage on said things as authoritative or accurate, then he'd have a point, but he didn't(and I believe this was never his intention either).

[@gredax]

His point was you shouldn't take advice about how to do something from someone who doesn't know how to do something, and he was right. Shad is a cosplayer and knows nothing about actual swordplay, he's fun and entertaining but I wouldn't come to him to learn how to swordfight.

[@covahredro8370]

@@gredax Except that's not what said

[@draketurtle4169]

To specify my thoughts on toxicity, by creating his video in the first place david invites the opportunity for that toxicity, furthermore he behaves childish, immature and stokes the flames of toxicity by indirectly throwing shade at specific creators while muddying the water with generalising. He socially engineered the specific situation that would cause people to get really annoyed and provoke a reaction, yet he apparently wants to say “toxicity bad”… like bro you are the toxicity, you bred this in a little dish then unleashed it upon the world like a plague daemon in 40k, this is exactly what your actions would lead to and to pretend you’re this ignorant and innocent little angel is just further immaturity, disingenuous behaviour and “bad faith” arguments. Because let’s face it, he started an argument to provoke and attack people to then cry when they defend themselves from him and he inevitably gets called out and insulted for his stupid antics. Edit: furthermore it’s insanely ironic how the specific comment 42:20 perfectly reflects on David himself, even more so given what is his/his trans response? They heart the comment… I seem to recall something about a pot and a kettle.

[@tatkkyo9911]

My issue is I've you watch sells shorts he's been taking shots for along time. Dude likes to avoid names but than limit who he could be talking about to as few ppl as possible.

[@connorsmith7850]

You know if you think about it, he had no formal training in using a dibble bladed sword. So where is his "Position of Authority"? He has not received years of training in that type of swordsmanship. So where is it?

[@guywholikesheelies3231]

He trains in HEMA my guy and actually knows his information.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

@@guywholikesheelies3231 Training doesn't equal expertise. He's an arrogant prick, is what he is, and letting his ego conflate with his knowledge.

[@chaosapple7771]

@@guywholikesheelies3231 I've trained in HEMA for 7 and a half years. I have friends who have been doing it for much longer, and I even know one who does actual full armored combat competitively. ALL of us blocked David's channel months ago because half of what he says is taken out of context, disingenuous and misleading, or just straight wrong. He is the mcdojo of KZbin hema practitioners. He does not know enough to try and claim he is a leading authority. Now, I'll admit I only watch shad for his test videos because they are fun and interesting like mythbusters was, so I can't say if he is or isn't. But I've also never heard shad try and claim he is lol.

[@A_Moustached_Sock]

When I met him at a sword retreat he said he got his start in Olympic fencing (I believe, this was over a year ago so Im paraphrasing) around 2004. He took up HEMA (fighting with longsword primarily) late 2000s to early 2010s.) So David does have history and experience. What concerned me is that when I wanted to go spar him after the classes were done at this sword retreat, he had stepped away for some time and came back with his nose having been dislocated due to a sparring match that night. I cancelled sparring with him as I no longer felt it safe due to his injury and he said he was still good to do it. I continued to cancel it and went to bed. Come to find out when he posted his video, he dislocated his nose from a thrust to his mask. This happened because his mask was way too big for him and somehow he didnt know that, despite the mesh being able to touch his face if pushed. To me, if you have all those years of experience then you should know full well how your safety equipment should fit you. Im quite glad I did not spar him knowing that now. Other than that, seeing him spar he seems to be somewhat competent in it, no more than just about any other practitioner who has a few years under their belt. Edit: I misread point of authority on double bladed sword as just swordsmanship in general. Still leaving this comment up anyway as I feel its relevant

[@guywholikesheelies3231]

@@chaosapple7771 what does David get wrong ? Based by his content I have seen he comes from a good place of wanting to promote HEMA in KZbin. Based by what I have seen he doesn't even say he is any authority on the topic and it is something he wants to work towards moving forward.

[@mizmirvarovlerish8064]

Cmon Just have a duel already

[@gigabyteguru2452]

YOU HAVE INSULTED MY HONOR SIR, AND THIS I CANNOT ABIDE! A DUEL AT SUNDOWN!

[@skrublordnord69]

“I demand a trial by combat.”

[@disgruntledtaco3640]

DO IT

[@normal-dude1015]

Shad would get destroyed lmao

[@rhetorical1488]

ill get the pommel

[@carmineboccia1166]

The real question is: do this guy sellsword knows anything about swords?

[@Hullbreachdetected]

I work on industrial machines that involve very dangerous stuff such as high pressure hydraulics. Through the past decade, I worked as an engineer I have met numerous "I have been doing this for 30+ years so I know better" situations, even managers told me things such as "this guy has been doing this for 30+ years so he knows better". This is an incredibly dangerous mindset, and I have seen accidents happening due to it. Arrogance and pride are very dangerous attributes and have no place in engineering, you must be able to listen to everybody regardless of years of experience and willing to learn. Somebody, who sets an unofficial standard and removes everyone else from authority "you cannot know unless you have x amount of experience", is actually the same mindset, very dangerous and toxic to other content creators. If David (not Daniel!), wants to dismiss other people's ideas and opinion, then he needs to be specific about each arguments and contradicts them successfully. He can't just say, one can't be right about anything unless...

[@AmogusAsbestos]

As a somewhat new technician (3 years in the field) I am constantly learning very valuable information from the master techs. They're invaluable and have shown me so much. I trust their opinion, but I am still willing to think freely with it. HOWEVER, even though I am a much younger and more inexperienced tech, I have still had situations where I've thought THEM a few things, and they go "Wow I never thought of it that way." A fresh opinion is always welcome no matter who it comes from it just needs to land on open ears.

[@Madison-iw8ix]

Whenever someone uses the whole appeal to authority thing, I bring up Josef Mengele. No one can say that bastard wasn't an expert with lots of experience.

[@christophervincent77]

we used to call that "professionalism" :)

[@rohanking12able]

​@@Madison-iw8ix so experience. Like what he said. Shad is literally clipping him instead of debating. It's kinda disingenuous to make a response video. It's not a response it's new content

[@rohanking12able]

But I don't see where the other guy ever said the opposite.

[@AmogusAsbestos]

@rohanking12able Well, experience goes hand in hand with integrity, and "the other guy" SSA has very little of the latter. You have the capability to watch both videos and determine this for yourself. Personally, I agree with Shad that there's no point in debating with someone who is hypocritical and lashing out at larger KZbinrs with "less experience." I don't really think that SSA cares at all either since he continues to antagonize and worsen the situation because it might get him more clicks. As I stated, experience isn't everything. Sometimes, you need a fresh point of view from an inexperienced person. Even if they aren't 100% correct, they may at least give you a new idea to toy with and make your own.

[@nicholasrandolph6967]

I thought the sword community had moved past mediocre HEMA boys being the only people allowed to have valid opinions on swordsmanship, like in 2017.

[@EnwardSnowman]

Nope. There will ALWAYS be a "i was studying the blade" dweeb ready to tell you how much more he knows than you. Here's my piece of advice: always be wary of a man who doesn't wear sleeves. Vanity will make a viper out of anyone.

[@evatheepihipparch]

the mediocre HEMA boys are having a tantrum for attention

[@rohanking12able]

And he isnt

[@EnwardSnowman]

Wait... which one is the hemo?

[@johndortheknight4802]

Especially funny to me because David made a few shorts about HEMA guys being well HEMA guys

[@simonsimons1252]

I didn't know Linus Tech Tips was a sword guy.

[@gabetomforde1704]

Bro just challenge the guy to a sword fight. Whoever wins gets last say. At least in your head.

[@silent__boss]

that would literally proof nothing. outcome of a fight doesn't change the truth. outcome of a fight only proves one's better performance in that fight was better than their opponent's.

[@kingtexan6621]

DID YOU GUYS KNOW LEGO MAKES SETS FOR ADULTS. I just finished putting together a Japanese garden set and it’s probably the most fun I’ve had in a long time. Btw I like sword videos and don’t want to get told “you can’t tell your friends about the new things You learned because You don’t fence.”

[@dominikwilliams1703]

I deem you best comment of january

[@miroheartech4231]

you can’t tell your friends about the new things You learned because You play lego. Btw you cant just say that the japanese lego garden is cool without dropping a link to buy, I want it too

[@ClipsFromMaine]

I already left a comment, but isn’t it common sense that if someone is telling you that you should only listen to them, that they are the only person you should avoid listening to at all costs?

[@theeast7005]

Go watch his video, dude actually gives examples of others to listen to aswell because they train and do the art. This comment section and video are proving his point, y'all are misinterpreting what he said, he did not claim you should only listen to him. Jesus this whole drama is sad bro, two people and fans not interacting at all and claiming the other is wrong. Atleast sellsword offered shad a debate, would love to see it.

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

​@@theeast7005 if this debate will turn out more toxic than political ones im not gonna be surprised.😂

[@thundereagle97]

​@@theeast7005 His words are not being misinterpreted. He's simply backtracking after being rightfully called out.

[@theeast7005]

@@thundereagle97 I just gave an example of how it is, your just repeating stuff from other comments and the vid at this point bro. Like go watch his vid, he gives other people to talk to and says that he isn't always right either. Wtf is going on? Is no one watching his vid? Are y'all just watching shads stuff and getting all info about this bs from only one side?

[@theeast7005]

@@AaSs-ln9mm I wouldn't be surprised if it did lol, so maybe it'd be best to just drop it then. I doubt creating hostility between 2 channels with similar demographics isn't good for either person.

[@herozero2110]

I like both if your content, and this has been an entertaining debate. I feel as though both if you are doing your best to articulate your views and ideals of the swords arts. It does seem like David doesn't watch your full videos or the full response. So it feels like he is taking a lot of what you say out of context. And he seems to be trying to stay safe with his expressions of ideas. Nonetheless, I hope you two keep making your own content and have fun doing what you do! I take a lot of inspiration in my casual training in swordmanship 🎉

[@Lee-vk1xy]

From the various sword videos I've seen almost if not all have had points worth addressing and points where they are a bit off if one is addressing period sword usage. I've always been a bit suspicious of those who claim that they alone know the truth.

[@kristianheidmann5315]

I loved the interaction of Shad making a video about double-bladed swords, Sellsword making a test as well, prompting Shad to do further tests on the points raised by Sellsword. I think I learned a lot more about the topic than just by Shad's initial video, for example the importance of the length of the handle and how you hold it. If there were no further drama happening, I would hold that up as a good example of how different creators tackling the same topic benefits everyone.

[@seanp8220]

It's not the length it's what you do with it

[@kingnhonj954]

Bro, I don't care about internet drama, but I always watch shad's drama because watching people argue on the internet about who should be allowed to talk about literal fantasy swordsmanship is funny as heck.

[@saikaamri5871]

what i got from sellswords vid wasn't "who's allowed to talk about fantasy" just not wanting people to mix fantasy with whats real and thinking it works, not trying to pick sides just stating what i got from him

[@BaithNa]

Imagine trying to apply Sellsword's logic to any other sport? We wouldn't have any of the all time great coaches 😂😂😂 What an idiot.

[@astrangertoyou2663]

That… that’s a good argument. Congrats.

[@NeinBreaker]

This response from Sellsword just reinforces the impression I got when this mess started. But he's not just a holier-than-thou purist, but a liar and a hypocrite as well.

[@rohanking12able]

Because he wants to discuss it and not have discussion

[@mrjtfang2]

@@Gordie650 Stop fanboying.

[@buttkingsley1403]

@@Gordie650we are getting a higher level of preparedness from response ping pong than we do from a live argument.

[@Hansik_squigWH]

​@@Gordie650 you are saying a grown man wouldn't win an argument against a child-man 😂

[@chasemckay7442]

Taking people's words out of context and cutting footage short is Shad's usual method, he did that with Jacksaint as well, he has no real substantial arguments so he has to cut around other people's videos to make himself look smarter, even though he's deliberately cutting out important context to make an argument. He knows what he's doing and it's all for meaningless clout.

[@rahn45]

"My superior experience allows me to be extra wrong in how I prove things are wrong!" "That's... not a good thing."

[@rhetorical1488]

basically my history and proficiency with deceit allows me to be an expert on the matter yes.

[@aj.j5833]

Exactly, far to many have just enough experience to be wrong and not enough experience to know how and why they are wrong.

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

@@aj.j5833dunning Krueger?

[@aj.j5833]

@@santi_super_stunts2573 Not quite same, not over estimation of their skill or ability. It is more they think they are doing something correctly or the tool they using is best for them and job they are doing when it isn't because they got comfortable with using said tool and lack experience to know any better.

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

@@aj.j5833 no I read a little bit about dunning Kruger I think I know more about it than you.

[@diehard82]

The idea that people who are not politically or religiously aligned cant be friends or even interact with each other civilly is wild to me. I personally am not religious or do a agree fully with shads politically stance, but that does not stop me for enjoying your content or respecting your beliefs and opinions. Intolerance has become a real issue in this day and age and the way you have handled this whole situation tells me a lot about your character. Shad you are a good man and great content creator.

[@Madison-iw8ix]

When tolerance is your primary virtue, you become intolerant of anyone you deem to be intolerant, and therefore you become a hypocrite. That's why tolerance isn't my primary virtue. (I don't mean you as is YOU specifically, btw. The general you.)

[@machaiarcanum]

@@Madison-iw8ix Time to bring back the use of “one”? Ie. “When tolerance is one’s primary virtue…”

[@takisk.7698]

Yeah I was baffled to see other youtubers unfriending (or w/e you want to call it) Shadiversity just because of different political/religious views (not even that extreme views.. I don't get it! They almost sounded like Shad was supporting hitler or something lol). Just ridiculous stuff imo.

[@actionman2028]

I will also never understand why some people are ike this. I have several friends in real life who are the exact opposite in political beliefs. The same goes for friends of different religious beliefs. Why should something as stupid as politics determine your personal relationship with someone? Not associating with someone of different political or religious beliefs is just something extremists would do. But most of the times it actually comes from those who claim to be the most tolerant...

[@bloody4558]

People who think that political sides are enemy to each other are people who think they know politics, but don't really understand it. There are lots of things from both left and right that would greatly benefit from a shared implementation, but that never happens because everyone is too egomaniacal to accept that the other side may have good points too

[@matthewn4896]

I'd really like to see the live discussion. I really enjoy Shad, and I really enjoy David's stuff too. If this could come to an amicable conclusion it would make me very happy.

[@jonathancormack]

Shad would never agre to a live discussion

[@TheSteam02]

@@jonathancormack If you watched the video and the response video before, the team LITERALLY said that they were willing to reach out to Sellsword for a zoom call (private or otherwise).

[@jonathancormack]

@TheSteam02 yeah, i did.

[@Destoroyah_666]

I'm confused. At the start of the video, he says a live debate could be interesting? Am I missing something?

[@Crannogman4686]

Shad won't talk to him directly, most likely to to his personal cowardice

[@RakkuTheEpic]

​@@Crannogman4686Because Sellsword would be able to call Shad out on his lies in person.

[@rtype112000]

Sellsword also doesn't really seem to understand that, "approximate" does not mean "exact." No, of course foam swords wont give an exact replication, but they let you get a feel for the technique. Edit: clarity and grammar

[@Dr.Kenobi264]

I watched David's first video, and didn't think much of it. Your response was long and maybe a touch too "aggressive" for my taste (Shad can come across as very combative sometimes, and I personally would prefer calmer videos like this one when he feels the need to say something potentially controversial.) Overall though, I thought you clearly made your points without misrepresenting David's comments at all, I even appreciated that Shad told people to keep watching David's channel. I called it aggressive, but to clarify, it was aggressively defensive, but I didn't think it was an attack on David and his channel. At this point I didn't think less of either channel, I figured David might just have phrased some things poorly, and Shad maybe was maybe being a little too sensitive. Overall though, it just seemed like a little bit of a misunderstanding. Then I watched David's response video. It was calm and polite, which I appreciated. I didn't think he represented you fairly though, and that didn't sit well with me, but I figured, "Hey, Shad's video was super long, maybe he just didn't pay that much attention when watching it, and Shad can come of as combative so that probably didn't help either." Then against my better judgment, I decided to read through the comments section of David's response. I was surprised to see that David's comments and reactions were completely incongruous with the tone of his video. It did not reflect well on him or his arguments (to put it mildly.) In fact, the whole comment section was so toxic and upsetting that I decided I couldn't follow David's channel anymore without associating that negativity with it (despite enjoying his content.) To my extreme disappointment Matt Easton joined in the fray (I had heard rumors that you guys had a falling out, and then you confirmed it in your video, but I expected better from him.) I haven't unsubscribed from Matt (His channel is probably my favorite when it comes to "sword history" sorry), but I also haven't been able to bring myself to watch any of his videos since. The whole saga had become very off-putting to me, and so I wasn't sure that I wanted to watch this video. I am glad that I did. This was very well done. I imagine it won't be received well, but that isn't your fault. One positive of all this is that you and your channel have risen significantly in my esteem. I'm glad I returned to watching your content again (I took a break before you separated your "Knight's Watch" stuff to a different channel because that was not my cup of tea.) There are still things that I don't agree with you on, and some things I would prefer to see less of, but this video has convinced me to support you on patreon (which I haven't yet done for any other channel.) Well done.

[@HalLongsword]

I thank you for being someone able to separate political/personal views to really engage in a topic and try to be fair to all sides.

[@gallifreyarchives4434]

Thank you for recognizing that his political views are separated so people can ignore them if they choose. This is swords and sword stuff.

[@mechwarrior7278]

Basically this whole debacle: “So uncivilized” ~throws away blaster~

[@theottergames]

I love stories like this. It really shows how much integrity and being able to understand others (especially people that may disagree with you) is important to viewers.

[@neoaliphant]

@@gallifreyarchives4434 it was very sensible of shad to move political/religious content to KW, it helps keep up subscribers here

[@Talia_Arts]

As a visual artist, half the advice i seek out is from people who arent artists because it brings in a different point of view

[@TrendingFrog]

You should seek advice from Shad then 😭

[@chukyuniqul]

Except you don't take it wholesale, you contextualize it, process and integrate it because it's not that the whole thing is good, it's that it's a mishmash of different pieces which might just hold the one piece you need. Kinda like the difference between a fully built lego project and an old bucket of lego bits you forgot about. The bucket might just have the piece you need but you'd be hard-pressed to consider it more valuable than the project that is fully and properly built with a system from the ground up.

[@Handles_AreStupid]

I am convinced that "you are taking me out of context" has become as meaningless as people that over use "literally". The context of your statement doesn't mean playing your full video, adding in your comments in their entirety and then including your tweets on the subject after the fact. The context of your statement is simply a completed thought. A single sentance can be lifted so long as it is a complete thought and retains it's framing without it becoming "out of context". For something to be out of context, you would have to say something like "imagine if I said something stupid like pineapple on pizza is the best invention ever" and then I cut that clip into you saying "pineapple on pizza is the best invention ever". It has to have a tonal shift beyond differences in interpretation for it to actually be out of context.

[@navolkan1619]

no shit thats called taking out of context. You arent inculding the full picture and so you do not have sufficient information to form a conclusion.

[@Handles_AreStupid]

@@navolkan1619 I can't tell what part of my statement you are taking issue with. A complete thought can stand on it's own. If I say "I don't like katanas. They are heavy and clumbsy." and you clip out "I don't like katanas", that isn't out of context. People over use the phrase "out of context" so much that people think that a simple quote is the same thing as quote mining. If my statement was "shad would say 'I don't like katanas'" and you clipped me just saying "I don't like katanas", you have fundementally changed the tone and intention of my statement, whereas the first example I listed hasn't changed my tone or intention.

[@navolkan1619]

@@Handles_AreStupid the problem is when ppl accuse others of things based on a uncomplete sentence. If i said "Katana's are overrated, but that doesnt mean that they are bad, they are simply design for a different purpose" Someone could cut that sentence to "Katana's are overrated" and try to paint a bad light on the other person that they are hating on the weapon. See the problem? The tone has completely changed as you said, which is precisely what is happening here. Shad has intentionally left out parts of the video from Sellsword and claming that he did not.

[@Handles_AreStupid]

@@navolkan1619 But I don't understand why you are arguing with me to begin with, then. I didn't state anything about shad or sell in any of my comments, I only said that it is an over used critique and is mostly inappropriately applied in modern day. If you agree that tonal shifts are a sign of missing context, and you perceive shad to have done that, it would be an example of missing context. That isn't what I was talking about, though.

[@navolkan1619]

@@Handles_AreStupid if thats the case, then i will apologise. it was a fault on my part to assume you were, although i would say your statement can indeed be interpreted as such under such a video title. but perhaps thats just a me thing.

[@Bagginsess]

Just remember Sellswords Art does not have a time machine and did not fight in any medieval battles.

[@ClipsFromMaine]

Don’t tell him that 😂😂😂

[@timhertens8502]

Can you proof that ?

[@johnberger55]

source

[@richardbowman7116]

Just as in armoured combat, boxing, MMA etc, the obvious question now is who exactly has this Sellsword guy beaten that allows for him to speak from a position of fencing authority?

[@rhetorical1488]

no but he did see an episode of the adventures of young robin hood once so he must be an expert😉

[@XX-qr9qi]

He is definitely back peddling because of all the backlash from your last response

[@sethstewart5222]

Just remember that HEMA is a "historical martial art" if it doesn't adopt modern changes it becomes quickly inferior to any modern techneque or adaption (see any traditional martial art vs any MMA/cage fighting system).

[@FinestFantasyVI]

I thought it was Historical European Martial Arts? But otherwise, I agree with the rest of your comment

[@deathknight7109]

so..... basically Humble intellect vs Elitist Intellect

[@areallybigdwarf4560]

38:08 this guy @theevol29 swears that shad somehow coerced nusensei into doing that apology video about the impossible draw and when i asked for the evidence for that claim he just stopped replying, those are the guys on the sellsword camp vowing for him LMAO

[@jmi967]

Since this video was put out, he did a Short that talks about him trying to get a hold of Shad and at the end says he’s not going to continue this until he hears from Shad. That's like a child saying “I’m not talking to you”. Making a video to respond IS responding! Also, he does the childish ‘Shad just said blah, blah this’. (Sorry, not taking the time for the exact quote)

[@BrownGoatEnthusiast]

He made an invite to have an unedited live discussion, because he felt his words were being twisted

[@tylr3669]

so...he moved the goal posts, maintained his double standards, and then asked you to come make peace with him? 'First lesson, stick them with the pointy end'

[@chasemckay7442]

Taking people's words out of context and cutting footage short is Shad's usual method, he did that with Jacksaint as well, he has no real substantial arguments so he has to cut around other people's videos to make himself look smarter, even though he's deliberately cutting out important context to make an argument. He knows what he's doing and it's all for meaningless clout.

[@tylr3669]

@@chasemckay7442 whats truly meaningless is to make that comment without actually giving any tangible examples of him doing that. What context was Shad missing?

[@chasemckay7442]

@@tylr3669 It quite literally said in the comment very clearly "he did that with Jacksaint as well" please read the entire sentence before making an idiotic comment such as this.

[@tylr3669]

@@chasemckay7442 "he did that with jacksaint as well" is STILL a statement that does not tell anyone what shad got wrong. I'm not sure you understand how communication works... What did Shad get wrong?

[@chasemckay7442]

@@tylr3669 I never said he got something wrong

[@GregorytheImpaler]

What’s frightening is the implications that David is showing, yet his fans aren’t recognizing. Sellsword Art’s words, actions, hypocrisy, and selective control over all of it? His insistence on appearing infallible yet also a frail victim pretending to want peace? He shows a LOT of signs that people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder possess and are key to diagnosis. I’m not qualified to actually diagnose, but you know what they about looking, walking, and talking like a duck.. I know he won’t, they rarely do, but I genuinely hope that he seeks psychiatric help sooner than later. For his sake as well as his family/friends/fans.

[@Xethyl]

So is this the “jock” of the sword nerds, attacking the “nerd” of sword nerds 😂

[@reaganjanaerichard5009]

😂 That is very accurate.

[@brentmoore133]

Dude's no jock. He's too light in the loafers for that title.

[@DarkMark-cf1ec]

You can hear the soy trying to escape sellout-swords mouth

[@maxclubhouse9968]

Theater kid that started working out is more accurate

[@reaganjanaerichard5009]

@@maxclubhouse9968 xD That adds up, too.

[@drgordo112]

I'm a Special Education teacher. Should I not teach if I am not a Special Education student?

[@rahn45]

Well... to be fair watching the blind leading the blind can be highly entertaining...

[@drgordo112]

@@rahn45 I taking that one to the office tomorrow. Thanks! lol

[@wanderingstranger8944]

I left a comment on one of sellswords shorts asking about thoughts or opinions on shads first vod. Sellswords comment to this was about time of release and place of conversation. Witch was fine but it did feel kinda passive aggressive. I checked in on that comment (it was about a week ago now) and it's kinda strange how both people in his community treated the comment and responses. My main comment had 1 like( I'm guessing from a bot) Sellswords had 9. So people red mine and skipped it to read what sell sword said. Fair But then someone came into the comment talking about how passive aggressive sell sword was being and well sell sword responded to him with calling him pathetic and needing to go out side. For obvious reasons I can't copy and paste the thread of comments but if you want to see I can send the short name. Not sure if a link would work.

[@HalLongsword]

try it with me, if you can

[@wanderingstranger8944]

@@HalLongsword no luck yet

[@m.vondrake5534]

Idk, it seems David is experiencing a moment of littleman complex. I practice HEMA and watch many of these videos from many different creators. And I have never seen him until now. Perhaps he feels the attention will increase his own viewership levels. In my own case, it won't.

[@eggsaladen4969]

Bro what does any of this have to do with height

[@titangaming9370]

@@eggsaladen4969little man being as he is not as big of a creator that he is mostly criticizing.

[@eggsaladen4969]

@@titangaming9370 they both have well over a million subs

[@m.vondrake5534]

@@eggsaladen4969 because it seems David has a littleman complex. It's quite well known that smaller people can tend to have a certain chip on their shoulders. They will sometimes just try anything to draw attention to themselves in ways that are abrasive to others. It's one reason in boxing and other fighting sports the weight limits are so strict. The lightweight fighters think they can handle the heavyweights and in some ways they can. It's that one hit from the heavyweights that puts the lightweight in the hospital that makes the difference.

[@eggsaladen4969]

@@m.vondrake5534 At that point a short dude doing anything unpopular tho is just "littleman syndrome". Idk man I'm not a fan of all the shallow jabs at David's height people are making as its irrelevant. Whatever disagreements they may have its best to focus on the substance.

[@col.festus]

All you have to do is see his type of personality. You know immediately he thinks he’s better than everyone else. You can tell by Shad accurately debating and refuting him is making him FURIOUS.

[@als3022]

And his comments to anyone with the mildest of criticism he goes rage on. This obviously is hitting his ego, and his political leanings are mentioned and are part of why he did it in the ifrst place.

[@michaelsmith8028]

Omw colonel Festus. Also yeah you can see his attitude when you watch his videos.

[@crispinsday]

let's just say it how it is, he's a north american lib. too bad too, because he's a pretty great show fencer at the very least

[@shocktnc]

Dude sent three days deleting any negative comments on his video, he openly admitted to trying to antagonize people. Frankly I think people should start documenting his behaviors and making it public so everyone sees just how evil his actions are.

[@andrewli6606]

Think the first clue should’ve been the fake bear claw scars.

[@billmelater6470]

I get the feeling he's redefining what he said because it makes him look like a douche. He was very clear in his words and meaning.

[@als3022]

His comments to anyone who criticized him are rather nasty. I recommend Shad just ignore him from now on. Cause his very toxic fanbase and him are smelling blood. Ignoring him is best as he has shown time and again in his comments, he's an egocentric ass.

[@kronos661]

EXACTLY. It's like a thief trying to gaslight you into thinking that it's not his hand you managed to catch.

[@rhetorical1488]

@@als3022 reminds me of the girl who claims the roman empire didn't exist

[@VK-sz4it]

I think he did meant those things. It is just he might be actually the one. He seems like a person who has specific ideals and standarts. He asumes if they are so much superior (he thinks) - why even bother explaining it. For example he didn't mean worth watching - he meant worth listening to advise (but with assumed idea that "yeah you could watch, but why bother?"). Basically he has superiority complex because of which he said words that he didn't mean to say (But he meatn them anyway).

[@kronos661]

@@VK-sz4it TLDR: Asshole knifeear wasn't able to keep his assholishness to himself and it spewed forth.

[@YTPrule]

Honestly, I've seen Sellsword Arts go blatantly against historical manuals and other sources. Even going as far to hide or delete opposing comments from fellow HEMA people with rebuttals in his videos. He has experience but he's got an attitude problem well beyond his expertise. He's way too likely to rely on his own experiences, even if other experienced people (even more experienced too), and call others experience illegitimate, implicit or explicitly.

[@HalLongsword]

Do you have a specific case in mind?

[@YTPrule]

@@HalLongsword His rather terrible dual wielding video. Beyond the usual badness with his clear skill issue demonstration, his conclusions just plain contradict historic manuals AND modern reenactors. For example, he overemphasizes on length but the swords he uses in the video are Regenyei short feders. We have a rough guess of dimensions of those swords and even longer swords have been historically dualwielded. Next, he says the longer swords are all about stabbing and no hack and slashing. Absolutely wrong. I trust Achille Marozzo far more than I trust SA. Marozzo would facepalm at him. Especially the bottom sparring video with swords the description openly names, thus we can find lengths and blade lengths to compare his swords with and they don't support his point. A very polite reply by Schildwache Potsdam was also deleted. Honestly, SA just needs to shut up and read some historic manuals. I trust people who fought and killed, or trained people to fight and kill and became famous for it, more than I trust him.

[@YTPrule]

Oh crap, KZbin deletes links even from KZbin videos? Seriously? Well here's their names instead. Godinho - Dos Espadas - Capítulo I Dual Swords of Achille Marozzo and last but not least, a sparring video with the names of the swords mentioned in the description, and you can see those short feders aren't giga-huge compared to the video swords. Rather, they're maybe even longer than Sellsword's. Dual Wield Sidesword vs Single Sidesword - Jordan v Nick

[@HalLongsword]

@@YTPrule Thank you for the information. I'll check that when I have the time

[@YTPrule]

@@HalLongsword No problem. The worst thing about SA to me is his sheer asshole attitude. Dude deletes comments that disagree including polite disagreers. Do HEMA and disagree? Delete. Read history? Reply gone. This echo chamber shit sucks.

[@richardplass8453]

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”― Mark Twain

[@judahforshey1865]

lmao this quote genuinely perfectly describes this whole discourse

[@nerdjournal]

@@judahforshey1865 I know, right? Shad is one of the biggest fools, and he has MOUNTAINS of experience. It's crazy because I had never heard of Swellsord art or whatever. So I go and watch the video... He didn't even say anything about Shad or put down his content. At best the guy said there is a difference in fantasy swordplay and battle swordplay and someone got ass hurt by it. How immature can shad actually be to make such a bad faith video.

[@judahforshey1865]

@@nerdjournal honestly they are both acting like immature man children, Sellsword was gatekeeping and calling himself a "true swordsman" which is super cringey, and Shad blew it way out of proportion and sicked his rabid army of fans on Sellsword

[@evenindeathistillserve760]

⁠​⁠​⁠​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​​⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠​​⁠You are either disingenuously idiotic or idiotically incorrect. Dude never said the other guy was referring to him directly. You’re misrepresenting both Shads and Davids’ arguments. Shads point was he felt Sellsword was indirectly referring to him by saying “armchair warrior” which is obviously an demeaning term for folks like Shad and allowing negative comments about Shadiversty to stay up effectively letting Sellsword's viewer base do the targeting. David said he was referring to people who don’t fence and presenters, i.e., armchair warriors saying they aren’t worth listening too. Then he tries to pivot to video game, fantasy, etc., based content in his 2nd video saying that you can watch/listen but just not take them seriously when I that wasn’t what he was talking about or meant in his 1st video. He said there are some people “not worth listening to” and he is referring to those who don’t practice swordsmanship. That's why not only you but Judah and Richard are all idiots because you can’t even get the arguments straight for either party and y’all call Shad immature for giving a factual and intelligent rebuttle on social media to someone arrogantly and unfairly disregarding and disparaging others as not only irrelevant but worthless as well, only to then call him disingenuous without even getting either sides arguments are correct. Judas and Richard as well as you are idiots because y’all think it's foolish to respond to someone who is threatening one's credibility and livelihood. You’d be a complete dumba$$ to simply let things go or at best a stupid fool just because you’re too lazy, cowardly, arrogant, or all of the above to respond to and/or debate someone, especially when it involves one's credibility and livelihood. None of you fools challenged his arguments, you just spewed nonsense, falsehoods, and arrogant insults. That's why y’all are idiots.

[@vraku9624]

​@@nerdjournalyou don't need to say names when you point specific things, even David didn't said thsy he wasn't talking about them. So your point is invalid actually. Yea, they reacted without clear evidence, but evidence non the less. Lets say you practice snowboarding, and you some specific things, then somrone comes out and calls out people that do those specific things, would you need to hear them say your name to know that they talk about you? That's kind of hipocritic

[@janeenschultz8502]

Talking with the guy is up to you. I personally think you should focus on the content you love. You've made your points.

[@als3022]

I agree

[@MrTehNoms]

Don't even waste your energy with that... 'Member that video he made about his health somn time ago? Shad's said all he needed to.

[@GanzBestimmt]

Agreed. It is pointless. He is disingenious and there is no point in debating with disingenious people.

[@destrobatman5640]

U keep doing what u do we even enjoy your (beef)and correction vidoes.😆

[@destrobatman5640]

We'll shad has the nobility part 👑.does this guy?🤔

[@troo_6656]

There's one thing that's been rattling in my head about this whole situation since I saw David's original video. Does he himself have his thoughts on this whole thing sorted out? A lot of arguments he makes are that of someone very opinionated but with those opinions not really sorted out and tested against more than strawman in your head. It seems to me that he thinks he is in the right, but doesn't really know why, so he struggles to make coherent arguments without openly attacking people. It is an opinion that sounds right when you say it, but doesn't really hold up when faced with reality and the ever dreaded nuance. Now I don't like playing psychologist or throw accusations around, but from my very personal experience (yes it happened to me a lot when I was younger and I'm by a long shot not alone) that is often a sign of jealousy influencing your judgement. Your brain is constructing uninformed arguments that don't really hold up to keep you from facing some sort of insecurity or frustration. For David that seems to be that his content just isn't as popular if I were to guess.

[@Danspy501st]

Funny enough, I remember in school when we at times in lessons having arguments or trying to make arguments over a topic, then I was fast to think up on one, but I wasnt that good to get the right words out. So to speak. I dont think it is jealousy, as you meanted here, but rather I dont think I had a broad of words to choose from. My point being, David might had the same problems as he thinks he knows what to say, but cant form the right words and sentences to get the meaning of the argument out correctly as he first thought up

[@xaalcarlsonanimations1539]

Had a friend I fell out with because he got jealous and you just explained things in such a perfect way that I have never thought about.

[@JohnM34404]

I have found that "It seems to me that he thinks he is in the right, but doesn't really know why, so he struggles to make coherent arguments without openly attacking people. " has accurately described most of the political discourse in the current times. When you prove better politically or morally you start being called racist, homophobic, or some other slur. From those who do that political behavior, I have found it starts to bleed into all other areas of their life including more civil and polite spaces. This may be an example of such when combined with the disparaging comments about holding political stances he has espoused.

[@Danspy501st]

@@JohnM34404 I think I had heard about this before as well, and yeah. I do see that around. Mostly in the political and belief part. I just glad I keeping my political, religious and beliefs (Or is it written as believes?) close to myself and not saying any of those. Meanwhile, I do like to stay neutral and in the middle of a topic and try to listen from both sides before making my opinion

[@Madison-iw8ix]

He reminds me of a catty woman passive-aggressively making life hell for those he doesn't like, and then when someone confronted him, he says "well, I didn't SAAAY it was blah blah blah". (And, yes, I've noticed it's mostly women who do this, and I'm a woman, too. And I can define what that is.)

[@cubancavalier3051]

His appeal to authority on that you shouldn’t comment about swords if you don’t practice it is such BS. He’s at best a swordplay enthusiast. By his own standard if you don’t actually duel with live edges and with actual mortal wound at risk, you don’t have the authority to talk about swordplay. Like bro, your argument falls apart with historians. They are literal experts on subjects that few of them physically do.

[@L4g__]

Please inform me if im wrong but isnt fencing more geard towards dualing as opposed to actual combat? Cause ive never seen a sheild 2 handed swords in dualing, let alone the greatest weapon: the spear! The kind of technique used would vary greatly depending on what your opponent uses. Overall this seems like a difference between someone who speciallises in medieval combat and someone who specialisess in Renaissance combat but thats just a theory

[@acediamond5373]

Yeah fencing and actual medieval combat were different on almost every level, Renaissance dueling was about using lighter swords against mostly unarmored opponents with the same weapon In a 1v1 setting, medieval was anything that works is used, two-handed swords on horseback, many many polearms like using a billhook to pull a knight off their hose and then a dagger to stab into a joint to kill or bleed out the knight, using a shield and lighter one-handed opinion for more protection against arrows and other melee weapons, hammer and picks to either crush or penetrate armor and lastly guns, some of the earliest guns were used in the late medieval era so yeah this is basically one Hema fencer talking to a medieval warfare expert and saying “well you don't do fencing so you shouldn't be talking about anything related to swords” I say the solve this the way many medieval sieges were solved just drops heavy rocks on them until they go away, gravity is the best weapon

[@acediamond5373]

@@leichtmeister cry about it

[@Wraithspartan]

Shad, for whatever it's worth, I would recommend not doing the stream with him. If he has more to say in rebuttal, simply tell him you've said your piece and that you'll have to agree to disagree. If he wishes to apologize for anything he's said, he can do so in the same forum in which he felt justified to accuse you.

[@Madison-iw8ix]

It would probably turn out like that disaster with Ethan Klein and Steven Crowder when Klein backed out and sicced his friend.

[@draketurtle4169]

@@Madison-iw8ixI don’t think further platforming someone this hellbent on being toxic and a man child benefits anyone. At this point he can either man up and take the L as he should or continue to be an immature man child, ultimately being ignored. Remember, he can say whatever he wants but no one has an obligation to a knowledge, listen or have dialogue with him. That’s why free speech is so neat, you can say a lot of things and if they are stupid people just won’t engage in your bad faith “discussions”.

[@FearTheCaboose1337]

The stream is a bad idea. It means that pulling context for arguments takes longer, makes people wait, and so the participants are a lot less likely to debate with actual proof.

[@afkalmighty1557]

Yeah this just sounds like the stream director X proposed to AZ which he rightly declined.

[@Yaourtis]

​@@Madison-iw8ix You mean like when cold feet crowder run like a little bitch instead of arguing policy with someone who knows policy. Probably had to go home fast to abuse his wife.

[@chanelinks7851]

18:02 Nah their conclusions are wrong because they are inexperienced. Has the same energy of: "No you didn't just stab me, I am a master and can't be stabbed by a rookie."

[@Agent_Frank_Horrigan]

Yes, dude. He kinda gives me the vibe that he will say your strike didnt count in a fencing match because you didnt use proper form. Even though it clearly landed and wasnt an illegal move.

[@andrewnotrealname848]

No test cuts against inanimate objects? What do you want me to do, test it on someone’s arm? Or maybe their pet? Inanimate objects are the only thing to test on.

[@Alex-kp1sx]

No, he means use magic to animate an object.

[@edi9892]

I can think of plenty objects to unanimate... You can see them in news about utterly heinous crimes... Some people could possibly only contribute meaningful to society by being targets for test cuts...

[@andrewnotrealname848]

@@edi9892 I think you’re about to end up on a watch list. Tones aren’t very clear in text lol.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@andrewnotrealname848 Man wants to be the next Kira

[@FltCaptAlan]

Him implying that you have to be trained in a subject in order to speak from a position of authority, even if you, someone with only a basic understanding, can see the truth reminds be of something. Some may see this as political and I know Shad tries to keep politics over on Knights' Watch, but... I may not be a biologist, but I still know what a woman is and isn't

[@astrangertoyou2663]

Sellsword also mocked someone for being against conversion therapy.

[@FltCaptAlan]

@@astrangertoyou2663 No big surprise, he attacked someone for having the Orange Man in their PFP, not that that gives him a pass

[@astrangertoyou2663]

@@FltCaptAlan lol dudes nuts. I was a sub for a while but I’m gay so… left after that

[@andyolson1019]

So, I would like to start this with an apology to you Shad. A while back I was a subscriber and enjoyed your videos, but there was a moment, (I can't recall the specific video) where I just felt that you were being a bit biased and full of yourself; however, I have been watching some of your recent videos and have now scene the folly in my rash decisions. I was going through a tough time and was in dark place, so my apologies, lad. Secondly, as a fencer/archer(that practices nearly every day and archery on Sundays) and medieval enthusiast, I love your content and approach to wanting to test the boundaries and just demonstrate the mechanics of many weapons both real and fantasy. Keep it going. Glad to be back. P.S. a while back you guys did a video about Legolas stabbing with an arrow and wondered about his dnd class. From my understanding, DM for over a decade, His class is Elven Fighter with a special proficiency in Bow. I will die on that hill.😂

[@als3022]

I can say he does have his moments, but they aren't as often as his compassionate side. Hey, welcome back. If you like archery there is a channel called The History Squad that is good. He has a variety of historical stuff, and its kind of the "grandfather tells you stuff" kind of channel. Though he does do some archery when he can.

[@MegaPokefan97]

Race: Wood Elf Class: Fighter (Champion), Ranger (Hunter), Rogue (Scout) Role: Ranged DPS Feats: Sharpshooter, Elven Accuracy, Mobile Fighting Styles: Archery, Two Wea09n Fighting, Defense Gear: Light Armor, Longbow, Shortswords x2, clothes, ammo

[@SangoProductions213]

It's very funny the difference in video titles. "Wah I'm attacked." and "Did I lie?" Meanwhile one person actively attacks the other. Can't imagine who it might be though.

[@DarkMark-cf1ec]

"shad edited my clips!" Shad showing precisely where he said what.. Idk how a clip of someone saying the N word would be "editing" but thats what sellout-sword believes

[@brianjohnson1509]

The dude just seems unnecessarily judgmental and hostile, instead of, you know, fun.

[@intrepidturtle8483]

You're literally watching Shad

[@brianjohnson1509]

Yeah. Referring to the other non-Shad dude. @@intrepidturtle8483