Did the Crucifixion of Jesus happen? The evidence considered with Dr Louay Fatoohi

Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
0:22 - Background of the Guest
0:54 - Topic of the Presentation
1:18 - Dr. Fatoohi commends brother Paul
2:01 - Prologue of the Presentation
4:43 - Overview of the Presentation
12:28 - Main Perspectives of events of Jesus' life
23:11 - Consensus on Historicity
27:46 - Timeline of Earliest Surviving sources
33:30 - Classical Sources in the 1st Two centuries:
37:27 - 1. Mara Bar Serapion
43:25 - 2. Thallus
47:13 - 3. Celsus
49:30 - 4. Lucian of Samosata
51:33 - 5. Tacitus
55:00 - 6. Flavius Josephus
59:33 - Arguments for Partial Authenticity
1:07:01 - Not the Writings of a Loyal Jew
1:11:52 - Complete Christian Forgery
1:19:37 - The Historical Jesus in Paul's Letters
1:25:04 - Contradictions of Jesus' Arrest & Trial
1:28:02 - Contradictions of Jesus' Crucifixion
1:31:27 - Burial & Empty Tomb Contradictions
1:34:00 - Contradictions of Jesus' Appearances
1:38:32 - Trials involving Capital Sentences
1:39:51 - Legal Problems
1:42:31 - Historical Problems
1:46:33 - Messiah or Suffering Jesus?
1:50:13 - Who tried to kill Jesus?
1:54:06 - Enemies of Jesus in Mark's Gospel
1:57:11 - Jesus of History vs of Christian Faith
2:01:29 - Why the Different versions of Jesus?
2:05:14 - Is Jesus' History in the Qur'an reliable?
2:08:24 - Qur'an's Direct Denial of the Crucifixion
2:09:34 - Qur'an's Indirect Denial of the Crucifixion
2:11:33 - Exegesis of the verse: "It was made to appear so to them" (Qur'an 4:157)
2:19:16 - Misidentification
2:23:05 - Jesus in the Gospels: History or Mystery?
2:30:20 - The Crucifixion & its authors
2:34:21 - The Crucifixion Baggage
2:37:53 - The Qur'an's Non-Crucifixion Scenario
2:39:42 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up
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*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:22 - Background of the Guest 0:54 - Topic of the Presentation 1:18 - Dr Fatoohi commends brother Paul 2:01 - Prologue of the Presentation 4:43 - Overview of the Presentation 12:28 - Main Perspectives of events of Jesus' life 23:11 - Consensus on Historicity 27:46 - Timeline of Earliest Surviving sources 33:30 - Classical Sources in the 1st Two centuries: 37:27 - 1. Mara Bar Serapion 43:25 - 2. Thallus 47:13 - 3. Celsus 49:30 - 4. Lucian of Samosata 51:33 - 5. Tacitus 55:00 - 6. Flavius Josephus 59:33 - Arguments for Partial Authenticity 1:07:01 - Not the Writings of a Loyal Jew 1:11:52 - Complete Christian Forgery 1:19:37 - The Historical Jesus in Paul's Letters 1:25:04 - Contradictions of Jesus' Arrest & Trial 1:28:02 - Contradictions of Jesus' Crucifixion 1:31:27 - Burial & Empty Tomb Contradictions 1:34:00 - Contradictions of Jesus' Appearances 1:38:32 - Trials involving Capital Sentences 1:39:51 - Legal Problems 1:42:31 - Historical Problems 1:46:33 - Messiah or Suffering Jesus? 1:50:13 - Who tried to Kill Jesus? 1:54:06 - Enemies of Jesus in Mark's Gospel 1:57:11 - Jesus of History vs of Christian Faith 2:01:29 - Why the Different versions of Jesus? 2:05:14 - Is Jesus' History in the Qur'an reliable? 2:08:24 - Qur'an's Direct Denial of the Crucifixion 2:09:34 - Qur'an's Indirect Denial of the Crucifixion 2:11:33 - Exegesis of the verse: "It was made to appear so to them" (Qur'an 4:157) 2:19:16 - Misindentification 2:23:05 - Jesus in the Gospels: History or Mystery? 2:30:20 - The Crucifixion & its authors 2:34:21 - The Crucifixion Baggage 2:37:53 - The Qur'an's Non-Crucifixion Scenario 2:39:42 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up

[@Overfloater777]

Jazak Allah khayr. Thanks for this. Always beneficial.

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

​@@Overfloater777 وَإِيَّاك‎ أَخِي‎ ☺️😊

[@EmeraldDiamond3]

20:08. How many sahih ahadeeth does Fatoohi have to throw out by saying Esa عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ will not come back ??? 🤦🏻‍♂️. Had to stop watching at that point. Pretty much blasphemous. I mean some of the ahadeeth on the topic are mutawatir. Very disappointing

[@BloggingTheology]

@Asadullah SAAiD thank you so much!

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

@@BloggingTheology you can pin the comment for the viewers brother 👍🏻

[@sarfraazk.4952]

Very enlightening. Thank you brother for your efforts.

[@BloggingTheology]

@Sarfraaz Khan many thanks!

[@Normalguy21]

Why your comment look different

[@AbuUbaida89]

@@Normalguy21 he's a member by donating money.

[@Normalguy21]

@@AbuUbaida89 oh now comment looking normal

[@fatmah4544]

It was long and very detailed but was worth the effort. Thank you, Paul and Dr. Louay for the knowledge you imparted. May Allah reward you both in this world and the hereafter. Aamiin.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@eigochat]

آمين يا رب العالمين

[@fredericktaylor1693]

I’m happy to see this because people are always referring to people on this topic who know nothing about the topic. This is very educational and educational videos are rare in these days. Thank everyone for their efforts and contributions to this video.

[@ARmirzaful]

Very true. A lot on non-experts in history, especially, speak on the crucifixion. This is common across the board in both religions. We definitely need more historical experts on such topics, no matter which religion it seems to go against. It opens up the intellectual discussions for our future generations, as well.

[@VandalIO]

Mashalla Paul, you are doing gods work .. you are doing a unique job of connecting scholars , researchers with layman like us … learned so much from this video

[@saadirad5603]

This is one of the best presentations regarding this topic, well presented , well explained and has given me so much light. thumbs up Mr. Paul, you are wonderful......

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@yusufk5298]

Quite long but well worth it Paul. Many Muslims face a dilemma in the West as the Crucifixion is established as a fact. This video debunks that myth and supports the Quranic position that it is doubtful conjecture and not a historical fact. Thank you both.

[@das16thegoon]

he did not debunk tacitus.

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@@das16thegoon Says the Spirit led Christian Jay Jay who evaded the Bible when it utterly exposed and destroyed the FICTION called Jesus’ Crucifixion

[@andanandan6061]

@@das16thegoon not debunked just to prove that it is not Historical fact but just probablity. This means you can only guessing as per Quran narattion that you do not have a sure evidence but doubtfull and conjecture.

[@michelpapineau8868]

The crucifixion is established as historical fact by secular and non-secular historical scholars in the Western and non-Western world - the only time it is disputed, is by radical skeptics with ideological or religious incentives to do so.

[@Mohammed-nn3ts]

The Quraan is the absolute true. No doubt in our part as real muslims. It is up to Christians to rethink.

[@atl.4044]

My goodness! I have to tell you this is a long one, but brilliant. Keep up the good work Brother Paul.

[@louay.fatoohi]

I tried to make it self-content, and that meant that it had to cover all relevant issues and sources. Viewers would then get a full picture from a standalone piece, on which they can consult other sources to further investigate, should they want to do so. This is why it ended up being this long.

[@ARmirzaful]

@@louay.fatoohi Thank you dear doctor, while there are always issues conservative muslims will disagree with you on...we believe in the hadith that say Jesus is coming back...there is no doubt that you are an expert in this topic. A true role model in terms of how much we should aspire to research and study the topics we present. I am already blown away in the first 30 min. JazakAllaah khayr.

[@asadmech12]

Thank you Paul..I hope this will clear many of our questions..

[@funkycacahuete2933]

After getting lost in the toxic muck of islamaphobic contents on the Hijab Margan debate, Blogging Theology’s civility and calm is such a relief.

[@markstamper1]

This is literally my reality right now. 😂😂

[@brotheryosef3066]

Thank you so so much Paul for hosting this scholar again 🙏🙏🙏

[@louay.fatoohi]

Thank you for watching the interview.

[@haliduhudu5905]

People should know that this is not a platform to scratch your back, rather it is a platform for people to learn from varying views of scholarships non matter their background. Take what you think is beneficial to you and leave what you think is not in line with your believe. It would be nice to have him again.

[@louay.fatoohi]

Thank you for sharing your view. Too many Muslims do not realise that ijtihad (personal reasoning), which naturally leads to a plurality of opinions, has always been a foundation of Islamic sciences. Intolerance of opinions that one does not agree with is one result of this ignorance of how Islamic knowledge was developed by countless scholars over many centuries. Serious learning requires studying all views, including those one disagrees with, and understanding what they are based on. The main focus of genuine learning is one’s self, i.e. it is self-education. Educating others is a process of sharing one’s learning, which is why it should follow self-eduction. Reversing the order of these two, which is not uncommon on social media and many public polemics, is a clear sign of a lack of genuine interest in or understanding of learning. The person who focuses on others before himself/herself is engaged in something that has nothing to do with serious learning and education. Attempting to stop others from uttering opinions that one does not approve of is a clear sign of this misrepresented and misguided focus that has nothing to do with learning or education.

[@ermins.newyork7434]

@@louay.fatoohi I could not agree more. Your presentation and research as well as the others featured onBlogging Theology are oases in the desert. BarakAllah fiqum.

[@faysal8597]

Absolutely amazing presentation, cleared up many of my confusions. May Allah preserve you both 🤲🏾

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@phrama22]

that is pure science , no emotional biased opinion or fake information , magnificent .

[@zahraabuji4901]

Literally hanging on each word being spoken by Dr Fatoohi, simply amazing, may Allah preserve him and sir Paul and their works!! Allahumma Barik!

[@sutil5078]

Amin, and may Allah bless you too.. Sister, did you choose the word "hanging on" by chance or topic related? 😋very funny

[@yeahbuddy4712]

Love it..everything I ve thought about over the past decade or more. Paul is talking about

[@isispantera]

BRILLIANTLY DONE!!!💯

[@shamselnahar45]

Wow! This is very powerful and eye opening. The way Louay explains his views is inspiring. Just yesterday I was thinking that probably we should not make a fuss about crossifiction, when talking to Christians, as I thought we should be focussing on the claims of divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him. Now specially after seeing the final slide, I am actually speechless! Huge thanks Paul ❣️

[@BloggingTheology]

🙏

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@Soad Habeeb Why should we not focus? The Quran says NO - they did NOT crucify Jesus. Christianity says YES. It's a direct conflict. The previous scriptures FORETOLD of Jesus' PROTECTION from the w1cked plot of his enem1es. Psalm 91 1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust." 3 Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. 4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. 5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, 6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. 7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. 8 You will ONLY observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. 9 If you make the Most High your dwelling- even the LORD, who is my refuge- 10 then *NO HARM will befall you* , no disaster will come near your tent. 11 For he will command his angels concerning you to *GUARD you* in all your ways; 12 they will lift you up in their hands ( *ASCENTION* ) , so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. 13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. 14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will RESCUE him; I will *PROTECT him* , for he acknowledges my name. 15 *He will call upon Me* (GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE) , and I will ANSWER him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. 16 With *LONG LIFE* (2000 YEARS already and how much more till the end of times. A miracle granted by God.) will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."

[@julianhansen3717]

The crucifixion of Jesus is a historical certainty.This guy has no evidence of what he’s talking about just making hypothesis.

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@@julianhansen3717 Could you please reference a single historian who claims that he was an eyewitness of Jesus' Crucifixion? No YOU can't whatsoever. So if the "historians" wrote about a well spread rumor then to them obviously Jesus got Crucified. If certain groups believed that Jesus got Crucified and a "historian" writes that Jesus got Crucified, it certainly doesn't make it historic. ************************ The Quran is from God Almighty so it contains the evidence which is from THE ALL-KNOWING. *********** So let's reason and let's get the evidence settle the matter between us. Are YOU willing to go the distance on the subject. Of course at YOUR own convenience. 1 reply per day or every alternate day. Let's see how convinced you are of your position. Let's examine those "historical" claims as well. YOU'LL realize that the knowledge THE CREATOR has, is beyond any knowledge which any mortal has. We can continue for days and weeks as per YOUR convenience. No rush. No hurry. No scatter gun tactics. One point at a time. 🙂 *************** IF YOU'RE a Christian then don't YOU believe in MIRACLES? Historians cannot verify MIRACLES so they go with the natural flow where death is an inevitability. If every other Tom, Dick and Harry were getting Crucified at that time so yeah Jesus also got Crucified according to the "historical" method. Don't YOU know that Jesus PRAYED, IN TRUST, that the Cup is TAKEN AWAY from him. So why can't God Almighty accept the prayer of Jesus and protect him from the w1cked plot of his enem1es to crucify him? ***************** - Are YOU a Christian? If Yes, we'll go by the scripture route. - Are YOU a former Christian who is / was familiar with the Bible? If Yes, well go by the scripture route. - Are you an Atheists or Agnostic? We'll examine the "historical claims" that YOU bring up. ************ Here is just a teaser: Mark 15:26. And the inscription of His accusation was written above: *THE KING OF THE JEWS* . Vs Matthew 27:37. And they put up over His head the accusation written against Him: *THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS* . Vs Luke 23:38. And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew: *THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS* . Vs John 19:19. Now Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross. And the writing was: *JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS* . ************** That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him NOT, NOR crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, 🚩 *AND THOSE WHO DIFFER THEREIN ARE FULL OF DOUBTS, WITH NO (CERTAIN) KNOWLEDGE* , 👉 but only CONJECTURE to follow 👈, for of a surety they killed him not:- Quran 4:157 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Quran 4:158

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@@julianhansen3717 Produce YOUR proof if YOU'RE truthful.

[@racfat1]

thank you Paul and Louay for the knowledge

[@louay.fatoohi]

Thank you for watching

[@sciencedaan11]

Jazak Allah Khair, excellent analysis & discussion.

[@Moussa430]

Thank you Dr:louai and thank you Paul that was very informative interview ,your work is much appreciated.

[@-Nab-]

This channel is gold

[@monsieurbonaparte6628]

I loved the depth and content and flow and logic of the presentation. Thank you both for this informative discussion.

[@ARmirzaful]

This professor is amazing, mashaaAllaah. You seem to learn something new on each slide.

[@abcoflife6420]

I will save it to watch later 😄❤️❤️

[@frednazarov4179]

Thank you Paul!! your contents are clear and interesting!! May Allah Bless you and your family!!

[@SoldierOfTheDeen]

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, " *The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus A.S) descends amongst you as a just ruler,* he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts)." Sahih al-Bukhari 2476

[@Kimeikus]

It’s seems pretty clear that he doesn’t care about Hadiths. May Allah guide him

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

@@Kimeikusdon’t assume something like that about br. Louay, that is an EXTREMELY serious accusation and we’re meant to give our muslim brethren the benefit of the doubt. what you’re commenting *could* be interpreted by some to mean that you think that he doesn’t care about what the Prophet SAW has said. for all we know, he might think that that hadith in particular isn’t authentic.

[@Kimeikus]

@@unhingedconnoisseur164 Brother, it’s been over a year. I was completely mistaken about him. I love his content. I’ve changed my view.

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

@@Kimeikus JazakAllah Khair

[@rrahman12]

that was comprehensive in-depth.

[@mzaher]

this is a long video so gotta save it for later, May Allah give me baraka in my time to be able to watch it all. thank you paul and thanks to your guest.

[@aliiqbalmuhammad1348]

Excellent analysis 👏 👍 👌. God bless you'll 🙌 🙏. Lots of duas n blessing from Johannesburg south Africa 🇿🇦. Ameen 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@elsaint7657]

I like this doctor's point of view good stuff. 👍 👌

[@madimu3160]

Amazing.

[@yasfi5196]

20:08 Thanks Paul for brought this important issue. My only complain is only the position of Dr. Luoay that he's rejecting mutawatir hadith about second coming of Jesus because it doesn't makes sense, rather it contradicts with his prior statement about miracle.

[@EmeraldDiamond3]

Exactly. That is terrible. Even his reasoning was absurd. He would be 2000 years old ????? Ummmm. Allah can raise him to the heavens alive. And is the creator of time itself. And he questions how Esa could be that old ??? I stopped watching at that point. Sad both Fatoohi and altie have different types of borderline blasphemy in their theories. 🤦🏻‍♂️.

[@atiharsh1993]

Jesus will come back at similar age at which he ascended to heaven.. clock start clicking from exact that moment again

[@abdallaalmidfa7345]

This is not an important issue and no one care .

[@marcorolo4726]

@@abdallaalmidfa7345 It’s a huge issue because it involves the supposed scholar rejecting many sahih hadeeth and coming off like a hadeeth rejector. It goes against 99.9. % of Muslim scholars view and is heretical and blasphemous. Only the ignorant don’t care. Those with knowledge are aware and that is why many are commenting on it.

[@mikethomas7718]

@@marcorolo4726 I had to stop watching after the weird comments he made. Especially the silly way he said it. Something like it doesn’t make sense because he’ll be too old 😅😂. What a silly comment. Like Allah isn’t capable of miracles. And what else doesn’t ‘make sense’ to this guy that he can just toss out 😂. He must not believe in ad dajall either. Jesus return and dajjal stories are connected. Can’t really believe in one without the other. Maybe he is a quranist lol

[@neilcastro836]

So far I'm watching this interesting interview, so far it's going great with the diagram.

[@elsaint7657]

Awesome charts And diagrams

[@simonyesayan6829]

Your blogging theology website is great! Mashallah

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@irshaadpangaker5085]

Brilliant

[@HabibaAbdullah-qn2zp]

May Allah bless you all for everything 🙏 ✨️

[@omayrfarrag3809]

Thank you so much for your great work Paul! I just have one comment about what Dr Louay said. If Dr Louay was speaking on the Muslim belief in the beginning of the video regarding if Jesus was dead, I find it very misleading that he said “Yes (No).” The overwhelming majority of Muslims believe in his second coming, as the ahadith regarding his second coming are mutawatir (meaning that the Hadith was transmitted and narrated by so many people, that we cannot disregard the Hadith. And this is the highest form of authenticity for any Hadith by the way). Many scholars like Abu Hanifa and Imam Kawthari state that it is part of the Muslim faith to believe in Jesus’ second coming. So, if Dr Louay was speaking about the Muslim belief, he should have put “No” for if Jesus was dead or not, and should have disregarded his opinion. He could have told you that he disagrees with it, he has the right to hold his opinion, but he should not have put his opinion on behalf of Muslims in the PowerPoint.

[@786humaira1]

Every soul tastes death . (Quran) Did Beloved Jesus son of Mary had a soul ? . Yes he did . So he did taste death . Quran is non contradictory , If you say he jesus did not die , then you are contradicting it . Quran is never contradictory . Our understanding and interpretation may be contradictory . There are no CONTRADICTIONS in Quran . Jesus did not die then at the cross , he was falsely proclaimed dead by the centurion , because the stormy conditions arouse within few hrs of the attempt at crucifixion . No one dies on cross in few hrs unless and until the legs are cut off . Then and only then death occurs within a few hours due to massive blood loss , HIS LEGS WERE NOT CUT OFF . We know for sure . The two others who were crucified along with him one to his right and the other to left their legs were cut off. Therefore since JESUS legs were not cut off , he was not dead He had just lost his consciousness and when laid in the chamber, from a vertical position on cross to a horizontal position in the chamber , his brain received proper circulation of blood , proper oxygenation . And he regained his consciousness and then left the chamber . He might have then moved away to another place and had a natural death and was thus raised .

[@kembekanana]

@@786humaira1 And your prove is....?

[@brainworks2022]

May Allah reward you Omayr for clarifying and defending the rock solid stance of Ahlu'ssunna waljama'a in this regard. Not just mutawatir hadiths some of which agreed upon by Bukhari and Muslim, but also multiple Qura'anic verses. Therefore, Dr. Luaay's opinion on this particular matter parts with evidence based knowledge.

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@@786humaira1 Are you an Ahmadi

[@mubi102]

Thanks Brother .I was thinking to comment about it and I saw your comment.It was necessary to clarify. After your comment I am not going in detail.Allah bless you.

[@unhingedconnoisseur164]

i really love the was br. Louay philosophically argues against a naturalistic methodology/for his (and our) own worldview being assumed in his own method, making his approach justifiable and believer friendly

[@globalknowledgering702]

Thanks Blogging Theology

[@Stimmevon70]

It's long been my position as well that the second coming of Isa pbuh is not at all Quranic. Wonderfully argued episode. Thank you!!

[@imadabiad4326]

Dear Paul, did you read the Gnostic gospel of St. Peter? There is a long conversation between Jesus and his apostle Peter the day the crucifixion occured before their eyes . There were two Jesus(es) according to this gospel (one standing next to Peter talking to him and smiling and another one being nailed on the cross)! That gospel was found in a clay jar buried somewhere near a village in Egypt. İt was written in an ancient Coptic language. İt is said that the scripts were written about two centuries AD. İn a word , that gospel confirms what the Quran mentions about the killing and the crucifixion of Jesus son of Mary. Thanks to give us your views & comments on that particular Gospel.

[@scriptkiddie1614]

Can you send a link or something about it ?

[@MarkelTherapist]

Salam Alaikum Paul, Do you think you can get Bilal Phillips on or Abu Taubah?

[@myraahmed8082]

This channel is evidence that top quality islamic scholars are alive and well in the world. This channel is like a new house of wisdom (Bayt al Hikma). When Akbar, the great Moghul ruler, was emperor he established a discussion forum where religious scholars from every tradition would sit and discuss the truth which inspired him to find the universal truth of all religions- Din Ilahi. That was 400 years ago. Paul thank you for your channel sir and keep going! It is important to maintain the legacy of truth initiating from Our Master, the Prophet.

[@HabibaAbdullah-qn2zp]

Mashaa Allah

[@joker2288]

It is pretty clear that Prophet Isa is coming back according to the prophet Mohammed and I believe the Quran.

[@mubi102]

You are right. Omayr Farag below has clarified it rightly.

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

And this war between Ukraine and Russia won’t drag very long

[@1994mrmysteryman]

Hi Paul. Assalamoalikum. I have a request. Could you get Dr. Fatoohi back on another episode to discuss why he doesn't believe in the return of Isa (Jesus). I'd like him to dissect the verses of the Qur'an that the scholars refer to AND the abundance of Sahih Ahadeeth that refer to it as well. If the discussion does turn to the unreliability of saheeh ahadith, I'd also love an episode of which ones he considers particularly problematic, why, and what reformations he'll bring to the criteria to judge ahadith so we can isolate the actually authentic ones. Great video btw. Keep it up.

[@ElderKarcha]

Great work thank you 🙏🏻 To my mind, we shouldn’t deny the prophecy of the suffering messiah because even a prophetic messiah (rassul) such as Moses ؑ or Muhammad ‎ﷺ suffered greatly with his people. Only we should develop an Islamic definition for the terms “sacrifice”’, “redemption” and “suffering”. Then it would be much easier to identify the one who fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 53. From Ishmael (Muhammad’s ancestor) to Abdullah (his father) and Hussain (his grandson), the sacrifice was great: “Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial - and We ransomed him with a great sacrifice” Quran 37:106-107 Worthy is the lamb who was slain… Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have blessed Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious.

[@ryanhunter2987]

Beautiful! MashAllah!

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

It's worth pointing out that, as far as human perceptions are concerned, the Quranic account conforms to the New Testament account, i.e. that it 'appeared' that Jesus was crucified. So even from a Quranic perspective, the New Testament authors are accurately reporting what people actually perceived to have happened with respect to the crucifixion.

[@tomtombakdedek9752]

But, appeared to meaning as if Jesus was crucified, but he is not

[@letmetalk2240]

I'd rather believe that "it appeared so to them"" due to their own ignorance and one of them is they had no knowledge at all. They believed what others had said. Thus following a conjecture.

[@Oxygen11115]

Allah takes the souls " at the time of their death", and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death "and sends the others back till an appointed term"; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect[ Q 39:42]

[@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156]

"Appeared", what appeared to them? That 'Iisaa ibn Maryam wasn't crucified but the attempter (to be the killer) was was killed (by his companions of the act to kill) and then crucified (stll alive or dead) who they later called Jesus (in the so-called koine Greek, through hearsays)! Ahaadiith are the same as the Bibles, all no direct connection to Allaah and His Prophets, just hearsays of Men into their way to becoming (with or without intentions) to Men-Gods! Allaah vs humanity! The enemy of humanity is only humanity itself! Humanity is the same be it Believers, non-Believers, Animists, Spiritualitists, Agnostics, Atheists, JudeoChristians, Hinduists, Buddhists, Shintoists and certainly Muslims... all with or without knowing follow humanity. With or without knowledge, we humans are always in Jaahiliyyat not just pre-Islaamic period!

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@Muslim Viking @ConsideringPhlebas is in the footsteps of his real master Paul of the Bible. @ConsideringPhlebas deliberately made such a comment to try to confuse people. *THE DE😈IL'S GOSPEL FROM PAUL of the Bible* The Bible EXPOSES that Paul would go to a certain place and give his narrative to the people. However, there would be certain people / messengers going across who would give a different narrative/ different Gospel to the same people that had been exposed to Paul earlier. THEN Paul would write letters to those places / public again to try and convince them to come back to the narrative that he had presented and that those people had now discredited, disbanded, abandoned. Of course that counter narrative / Gospel to the one by Paul was considered authentic by those people. There is already evidence of ANOTHER GOSPEL AND ANOTHER JESUS which is contrary to Paul's "MY Gospel" and people are QUICKLY abandoning the Paul's abomination "My Gospel". Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are SO QUICKLY DESERTING the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ AND ARE TURNING TO A DIFFERENT GOSPEL-- "....... ANOTHER GOSPEL -" We also see that Paul the deceiver has to constantly defend himself. Obviously there would be people who were teaching counter to Paul and would be going around telling people that what Paul is teaching is falsehood. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. ********** We can also observe the term "MY GOSPEL" from the lips of Paul. This will take place on the day when God judges people's secrets through Jesus Christ, AS MY GOSPEL declares. ******* So coming back, we see that there would be certain people / messengers going across who would give a different narrative/ Gospel to the same people that had been exposed to Paul earlier. Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, WHO hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? [You foolish Galatians! WHO has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.] It's Paul who is upset and desperately wants to PORTRAY that Jesus Christ was crucified. It was Paul who had PORTRAYED that Jesus Christ was actually crucified. It's Paul who invented and promoted the false Gospel - the fiction called Jesus' Crucifixion. It's Paul who TRICKED people into believing that Jesus actually got Crucified.

[@sarim9574]

Great talk! Would be great to have Dr.Ali Altaei and Dr.Fatoohi discuss their opinions regarding the return of Isa (PBUH) as evidenced by Quran and Hadith. I think Dr.Ali Altaei is of the position that Isa (PBUH) will return and as Dr.Fatoohi mentioned at 20:00, he is not. Would be interesting to hear their justifications.

[@anneeq008]

Gerald Dirks (Allah have mercy on him) did great work in this field. You should analyse his work

[@markward3981]

I have heard this , I will look him up. Thanks

[@mohwaz1909]

Dear Mr. Paul, Many of the Arab viewers are deprived of these useful lectures because of the language(English). is there an intention to add translation to Arabic or any other Language to your videos? I hope so....

[@BloggingTheology]

inshallah

[@julianhansen3717]

An Internet dominated by misinformation yet he’s here to present his own misinformation

[@nasserm.nasser5087]

Generally people who come into Islam by their own conviction are contributing much more than those born into islam. Sahaba converted to islam and what they achieved couldn't be matched by their children and grandchildren who were born into islam

[@louay.fatoohi]

Obviously, most scholars were born Muslims. But you are right that when someone converts to Islam, they go through a unique process. They do not carry the baggage of someone who was born Muslim. Their different background and experience help them look at things differently. The challenges of the conversion experience make them study their new religion more.

[@sumayyakharsany8947]

Anyway we can get the slides?

[@HH-pv9ex]

Interesting interview though I feel it to be overcomplicating for a number of reasons. 1. The Quran does not deny the occurrence of "a" crucifixion, the Quran says وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا (157) (and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; and, verily, those who hold conflict­ing views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere con­jecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him) 2. In the interpretation of the Quran the prophetic narrations are indispensable. In that respect, it is well documented in the narrations that one of the disciples of Jesus volunteered to be crucified in his stead in return for being with Jesus in paradise. The report also says that the volunteer was amongst the younger disciples. Jesus (as Messiah ' anointed one, King) obviously cannot be crucified as is the traditional understanding of "the Messiah". He is also in Islam one of the five mighty or "strong willed" messenger who cannot be defeated. من أولي العزم من الرسل. The narration reported by Ibn Abbass states: صح عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما أن المسيح عليه السلام قال لمن كان معه من أصحابه في البيت : (أيكم يلقى عليه شبهي فيقتل مكاني ويكون معي في درجتي ؟ فقام شاب من أحدثهم سنا ، فقال له : اجلس . ثم أعاد عليهم فقام ذلك الشاب ، فقال : اجلس . ثم أعاد عليهم ، فقام ذلك الشاب فقال : أنا , فقال : أنت هو ذاك . فألقي عليه شبه عيسى ورفع عيسى من روزنة في البيت إلى السماء). قال ابن كثير رحمه الله في تفسيره (4/337) معلقا على هذا الأثر : "وهذا إسناد صحيح إلى ابن عباس ، وكذا ذكر غير واحد من السلف أنه قال لهم : أيكم يلقى إليه شبهي فيقتل مكاني وهو رفيقي في الجنة" 3. I find it bewildering that your guest (as a Muslim) doesn't believe that Jesus will return. His point was that the Quran doesn't confirm his return. But the Quran does say he was not killed and does say the following: وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ ۖ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا (159) (And there is none of the People of the Book except that they must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness upon them) This verse has not come to pass for the following reasons a. Jesus has not died and must die eventually a natural death. For this to happen, he must return. b. Not all the people of the book accept Jesus as the Messiah in our times. So this remains to be an outstanding prophesy. c. Here again the prophetic narrations are indispensable in understanding the Quran and the relevant narrations are unequivocal concerning the confirmation of the return of Jesus as a "Just Ruler". The narrations of Sahih Muslim evidently even identify the location of his return being East Damascus. It is also interesting that your guest is trying to add evidence to his logic by stating that Jesus must be more than 2000 years old. This is incorrect in my opinion for the following reasons 1. 2000+ years is earth time and Jesus is not on earth. So this aging doesn't apply. 2.Aging and decomposition is controlled by God as identified in the Quran in several stories. Here is one example from the story believed to be of Allah's prophet Uzayr in some exegesis and what he said when he saw the destruction of Jerusalem: أَوْ كَالَّذِي مَرَّ عَلَىٰ قَرْيَةٍ وَهِيَ خَاوِيَةٌ عَلَىٰ عُرُوشِهَا قَالَ أَنَّىٰ يُحْيِي هَٰذِهِ اللَّهُ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا ۖ فَأَمَاتَهُ اللَّهُ مِائَةَ عَامٍ ثُمَّ بَعَثَهُ ۖ قَالَ كَمْ لَبِثْتَ ۖ قَالَ لَبِثْتُ يَوْمًا أَوْ بَعْضَ يَوْمٍ ۖ قَالَ بَل لَّبِثْتَ مِائَةَ عَامٍ فَانظُرْ إِلَىٰ طَعَامِكَ وَشَرَابِكَ لَمْ يَتَسَنَّهْ ۖ وَانظُرْ إِلَىٰ حِمَارِكَ وَلِنَجْعَلَكَ آيَةً لِّلنَّاسِ ۖ وَانظُرْ إِلَى الْعِظَامِ كَيْفَ نُنشِزُهَا ثُمَّ نَكْسُوهَا لَحْمًا ۚ فَلَمَّا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ قَالَ أَعْلَمُ أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ (259) سورة البقرة Or like the one who passed by a town and it had tumbled over its roofs. He said: "Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?" So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long did you remain (dead)" He (the man) said: "(Perhaps) I remained (dead) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, you have remained (dead) for a hundred years, look at your food and your drink, they show no change; and look at your donkey! And thus We have made of you a sign for the people. Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh". When this was clearly shown to him, he said, "I know that Allah is Able to do all things." The fact that the person mentioned in this verse answers Allah saying he lasted (dead) for a day implies he didn't notice any aging for himself when returned to life. The same applies for the people of the cave known to Christians as the "seven sleepers"

[@fatimafarah2786]

May Allah bless you❤

[@1994mrmysteryman]

Could you point me to the ahadith that states someone else was crucified in his stead?

[@1994mrmysteryman]

@@HH-pv9ex Yes, but is not considered Sahih by most scholars. The chain is dubious at best

[@sutil5078]

@HH-pv9ex great post , and insight about the ablution of Jesus before ascending !! I believe Jesus is coming back (but he maybe alive or matwafa, caused to die and will be be brought back for his second coming ) there is dispute: was he raised alive or after death. As for the Ibn Abas , ra, that is not a hadith, it is a saying attributed to him may or may not be be true that he has said that..and in the case he said that, he may have mentioned what he has heard from some ex Christians (Muslims by then) who had these things in their literature.. not necessarily correct version or not.. on that we don't really know, to me it is plausible what Ibn Abas said,.. but not definite , as this was not an authentic hadith from The prophet.. I enjoyed your comment brother/sister, I also have the idea that any crucified person at dark, and from100 meters (yards) even 60 m would look like Jesus, dark skin (from birth and the sun), mainly thin, dress the same, have beard, long hair, so any crucified person from 60 meter distance with his head lowered to his chest covered by his long hair and beard would look like Jesus (except a female or a fat person) this may explain many thing, Pilate crucified Barabas in his place, another person, etc.. or the Roman when they could not find the ascended Jesus did not want to appear weak, grapped a thin criminal and just crucified him.. and may kept distance between the crucified person and the public, and it was dark, recall gospels said there were no witnesses.. easy to simulate and spread rumor!!

[@sutil5078]

@@HH-pv9ex IF I remember right there 2 interpretations in the tafsir, one saying God raise him alive, another saying god cause him to die and then raised him alive (mutawafeeka wa rafyuka eli) .. though it is not important issue for me as a muslim to know which one happened, I believe God raised him alive.. but thank God, our faith rely on solid creed, Quran, not what happen to a prophet 2000 years ago.. but it is interesting and fascinating story and his life, and that of his mother peace be upon them both... are you a revert brother/sister?

[@12345kiss100]

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[@theresemalmberg955]

When I first came across Muslim claims that the Gospels had been altered and that Jesus was never really crucified, I initially dismissed them. Then I came across evidence from Christian sources that the Gospels had indeed been altered, and that much of the New Testament epistles were forgeries. I remember a conversation with an extremely devout Christian friend who said that the fact that many Bibles claimed that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 8) was not found in the best and earliest manuscripts was starting to make her question what she'd been taught about the inerrancy and accuracy of Scripture. I'd long before gone down that rabbit hole and I told her, "If you value your faith as a Christian, you will not notice these things. You will not ask questions. You will accept things as they have been presented to you. Because if you don't and you continue to question and you continue to notice things that don't add up, you may find yourself leaving Christianity." I said this because she had invested so much of herself in her particular version of Christianity and had given up so much, that for her to realize that maybe she'd thrown away her life for nothing would absolutely destroy her. She was not ready to look at the evidence, which is why I told her what I did. Anyway, as I said, I was gently challenged by the Muslims I met to take another look at my religion. I still thought they were wrong, but the more I started looking at the Gospels, the New Testament, the early history of the Church and how the Bible came to be, the more I said to myself, I still don't think they are right, but there's an awful lot they aren't wrong about. I started noticing things that had more or less always bugged me about what actually happened towards the end of Jesus' life. The contradictions you mentioned. Plus there seemed to be a disconnect between the Passion Narrative portion of the Gospel and the earlier parts of Jesus' ministry. If all the disciples ran away at the arrest, then how do we know what happened afterwards? We are taken into meetings and given detailed accounts of who said what to whom. The explanation that the nuns gave is that the Holy Spirit inspired the Gospel writers and told them what to say, so that the Gospels are really a form of revelation. So it didn't matter that they were not eyewitnesses. Well, ok, but I think you know what the next problem with that is. It's a story that falls apart. Up until the point where Jesus and his disciples go out to the garden to pray after the Last Supper, it holds together pretty well, but after that . . . We are told the disciples fell asleep. Then we are told they ran away. So, did the soldiers grab the wrong guy? Was there a supernatural intervention? We don't know. There is so much in the story as told in the Gospels that doesn't add up. It is indeed a mystery.

[@bilaljahi5364]

🤔Quite simply put Paul, you are my new best friend.🤓

[@zohaimam9398]

Supernatural to me is a place where we do not have enough knowledge to explain a phenomenon. It's all explainable the day we will have the knowledge ..

[@stevenv6463]

It would be great if this speaker could talk about the idea that Jesus is not coming back in Islam. When I first heard this idea from Mufti Abu Layth, I was very shocked and after looking into it more, it seems this idea is not too crazy even if I am not convinced by this idea.

[@thecaptainpalestine]

Jesus having died is a completely false notion, the man who gave this lecture should publicly take back his words, as the Qur'an doesn't state that Jesus died, rather it informs us that they didn't kill him and that he was raised to Allah. Allah said in the Qur'an: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. (Surah An-Nisa Verses 157 & 158, Saheeh International translation) Peace

[@stevenv6463]

@@thecaptainpalestine This just assets that they didn't kill him. It is like saying that the verses about Moses or Lot (as) being saved by God mean that they never died.

[@thecaptainpalestine]

@@stevenv6463 Allah also says as can be seen from what I quoted: "And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather Allah raised him to Himself and ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise." With regards Jesus's return the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah (tax paid by non-Muslims in an Islamic state), and money will become so widespread that there will be no one who will accept it.” (Agreed upon; narrated by Muslim, no. 155). Whoever claims Jesus died or won't return has no evidence to support their claims, on the contrary the Qur'an, and the hadeeth prove he did not die and that he will return.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

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[@rainman7769]

In 20:22 he said Jesus not coming back ? There is two ethnicities books Bukharin and Muslim , plus in the Koraan Allha raised him and didn't take his Sol , Avery sunni Muslims believe that Jesus coming to fight the anti Crist , unless you are ahmadi ,and you trying hard to prove your point from philosophy, it's not working man.

[@ricknation4214]

That part was bizarre and ridiculous. Agreed.

[@imgood2978]

Those are the perspectives but are misleading

[@sonbahar5296]

Something that is not a condition of Islam (believing that Jesus will come back), not everyone believes, we believe in everything written in the Qur'an, but we know that some hadiths are fabricated, the Dajjal and the return of Jesus (I don't know if they are fake or real hadith), this, Therefore, believing that Jesus will return is not a condition of faith.

[@rainman7769]

@@sonbahar5296 you can't dent hadeeth saheeh حديث صحيح it's part of the doctrine

[@usmanhannan5675]

Salam Dr Louai Fatoohi. I am going over your talks and analysis, and liking them quite a bit. Want to narrow it to one point here. I am amazed that you have an astronomy background. I think a lot about general theory of relativity and spacetime. If God has taken up Jesus Christ, it makes more sense that he is not in our time dimension, and so there is no need to think he is currently 2000+ years old, right? Why would that pose as a mental block for him returning? When he comes back, he is just around 33 or so..for him time did not pass, but in our dimension, eons went by. I would assume with an astrophysics background, such analysis will make more sense to you, but I wonder why it did not. Also, it is hard to brush away many mutawatir hadith narration of Jesus Christ coming back, no? Indirect reference of him coming back in the Quran is also noteworthy. What are your thoughts on these?

[@rifaathanver1221]

Dr. Fatoohi said Jesus (mpbuh) will not come back to live on Earth (at 20.14mint). I have two issues here. 1). There is a burial place reserved for Jesus(mpbuh) in the Prophet's mosque in Madeena, next to the burial place of Prophet Muhammad (saw). 2). Holy Quran Verse 19:33 - "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)". The Verse says; the day I die and the day I shall be raised up to life. It indicates that he will come back to live and die. I hope Dr Fatoohi could explain.

[@sonbahar5296]

What part of the Quran says that Jesus will come back!

[@fire.smok3]

This person is an Iraqi Christian who converted to Islam? I find that really interesting because I myself am from a Lebanese Christian family and converted to Islam. I rarely see middle eastern Christian converts, Im sure I'll enjoy this video

[@benjaminm3727]

Hello Brothers I become Muslim 4 months ago and when I pray to god in In Islam if feels like God doesn’t hear me and I feel cursed for some reason I always get these negative thoughts in my head and stuff. But when i was following the Bible and Praying To Yahawah I felt like he heard me and he blessed me allot, please brothers help me I’m just so confused. Sorry my English is not very good

[@carolineshenouda8453]

The god of Islam is a false god. He has no spirit. No spirit means no life. You left the truth for Islam. There’s only one truth. Return to the God of the bible. There’s no salvation except through Christ Jesus. He loves you and is waiting for you to return with open arms. Seek him whilst you still can and before it’s too late. The truth is GOD. Jesus claimed to be the truth.

[@moosa86]

Hahahaha... are you trolling? If not, I will help you. First, I need to know your reasons for converting. Can you list or explain them?

[@sonbahar5296]

If you were that blessed in Christianity, why do you convert to Islam you are a liar (How did I know you were a liar, I read between the lines. You don't even have the intelligence to lie )! I believe you are a worthless troll.

[@kittenluv17]

troll

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@Benjamin M In the Quran 👉 Peace is on Jesus Vs In the Bible 👉 Jesus is UNDER GOD'S CU®SE *The Choice is YOURS*

[@sawmaniac12]

Isa is returning

[@silverfoenix]

Brother Paul, can you discuss with Dr Fatoohi about the substitution evidence from the Bible itself? John 8 verse 28 is ambiguous however it conveys a meaning of people will know it is him lifted on the cross! Also John 13 from 18~21 ties the one whom shared the bread to the prophecies of Psalms? mainly the ones where he will substitute the messiah on the scheme of betrayal he devised... The story of two sons of man, one that has his prayers answered, master while the other has his prayers revoked & a treasonous lowly worm!

[@bazadam6635]

Can you please check Sheikh Imran Hosein's interpretation on this matter

[@mikethomas7718]

He has his own heretical views. 🤦🏻‍♂️ he used the Bible as part of his evidence 😂

[@bazadam6635]

@@mikethomas7718 Then I don't think you have actually listened to him.

[@chuckhillier4153]

Another stimulating talk. Thank you. I'm in agreement with you about Christian errors. Your delight in describing evidence of Christian mistakes is very evident. Personally, I am saddened by the fact that so many are misguided. I've not studied Islam enough, so far, to sort fact from fiction. Surely it is more righteous to sympathize with any who stride confidently in the wrong direction, whatever their allegiance. Are we engaged in study or contest?

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@Chuck Hillier Thank you very much for the comment. Come let's reason together. God Almighty blessed us with a mind for a purpose 👉 so that we can examine and analyze and reason on the claims and hence differentiate between the truth and falsehood. The Quran explicitly dismisses the Crucifixion of Jesus. The previous scriptures FORETOLD of Jesus being PROTECTED by God Almighty from the w1cked plot of his enem1es to crucify him. Psalm 91 1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust." 3 Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. 4 He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. 5 You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, 6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. 7 A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. 8 You will ONLY observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. 9 If you make the Most High your dwelling- even the LORD, who is my refuge- 10 then *NO HARM will befall you* , no disaster will come near your tent. 11 For he will command his angels concerning you to *GUARD you* in all your ways; 12 they will lift you up in their hands ( *ASCENTION* ) , so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. 13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. 14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will RESCUE him; I will *PROTECT him* , for he acknowledges my name. 15 *He will call upon Me* (GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE) , and I will ANSWER him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. 16 With *LONG LIFE* (2000 YEARS already and how much more till the end of times. A miracle granted by God.) will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."

[@faisalsiraj9423]

@Chuck Hiller *CF1)* 🚩 ✔️ Mark 14:36 as per prophecy: 👉 Jesus *PRAYS to God, IN TRUST, that the Cup is TAKEN AWAY from him* Psalm 20:6 Now know I that the Lord *SAVETH* his *MESSIAH* ; He 👉 *ANSWERETH* 👈 him from the 👉 HEAVENS 👈 of His holiness, with the *SAVING STRENGTH* ✔️ of His right hand. No wonder right after the prayer of Jesus with the call to TAKE AWAY the Cup from him: And an angel from HEAVEN appeared to him, strengthening ✔️ Luke 22:43 *To STRENGTHEN Jesus with GUARDING and PROTECTION and that NO HA-RM will befall him* ✅ FORETELLING FULFILLED Jesus *NOT Cru-cified*

[@faisalsiraj9423]

"I've not studied Islam enough, so far, to sort fact from fiction......" Please study with honesty. It's for you our own *benefit* that such important call and warning is given. Hosea 4:6 My people are *destroyed for lack of knowledge l* : *because thou hast rejected knowledge , 🚩 I will also reject thee* , that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. ********* For your own benefit. God ( *not* Jesus) said that. So that you reason. It's of such importance. you reason and you arrive at the truth and when you accept it, God forgives your sins - so no need of any sacrifice or payment or Crucifixion of Jesus which the scriptures expose to be a fiction - something that *never happened* . “Come now, let us *reason* together, says the LORD: 🚩 though your sins are like scarlet, 👉 ✔️ *they shall be as white as snow* 👈 ; 🚩 though they are red like crimson, 👉 ✔️ *they shall become like wool* 👈 Isaiah 1:18

[@faisalsiraj9423]

There are NO coincidences in life. God Almighty in His mercy and love for YOU had DESTINED that all this knowledge came to YOU. What YOU do after knowledge has come to YOU is up to YOU. YOU can either accept and acknowledge OR YOU can deny and look away. The Choice of course is YOURS to make.

[@chuckhillier4153]

@@faisalsiraj9423 As I wrote. I do not disagree with your evidence or your conclusions. I do though, feel sadness, not delight in finding evidence that so many Christians stride so confidently in the wrong direction. Is sympathy for them not appropriate?

[@kandansaikon3556]

God raised Jesus for Himself thus Jesus didn't die on the cross. If we claim that Jesus is not coming back (at least to die on earth) does it mean Jesus will live forever?

[@sonbahar5296]

On the Day of Judgment, when the angel blows the horn, all living things including humans( Jesus too), animals, and atoms will die (only Allah/God will never die)! When the second horn sounds, everyone will be resurrected, then judgment will begin.

[@EmeraldDiamond3]

20:08. How many sahih ahadeeth does Fatoohi have to throw out by saying Esa عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ will not come back ??? 🤦🏻‍♂️. Had to stop watching at that point. Pretty much blasphemous. I mean some of the ahadeeth on the topic are mutawatir. Very disappointing

[@ricknation4214]

Agreed. Very bizarre and disturbing

[@mikethomas7718]

I’m thinking the guy must be a quranist.

[@EmeraldDiamond3]

@@mikethomas7718 It’s quite possible. Because he also by extension would throw out ahadeeth about dajjal and Imam Mehdi. How can you believe in them and not the return of Esa عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ ??? And it’s not one or two. It’s around ten or more authentic sahih ahadeeth that have to be discarded. He could be a quranite of some sort

[@louay.fatoohi]

This is not blasphemous. You may want to see my reply to @Omayr Farrag.

[@EmeraldDiamond3]

​@@louay.fatoohi It is, when you essentially throw out upwards of ten sahih ahadeeth. Some of which are mutawatir. I did read your reply to Omayr. 10 of the 11 points are just stating the need to be allowed to have different opinions. Great. You also need to bring evidence for your opinions. When you can throw out multiple sahih ahadeeth you are in dangerous territory. Why couldn't someone throw out ahadeeth on how to perform salat?? Instead of praying the sunnah way they stand on their head and pray. Yes. It is at least bordering on blasphemously; to do this kind of thing. Not to mention you give the haters of Islam full ammunition to destroy the deen. If I were a hater talking to you I would simply say sooo these ahadeeth aren't true? Yet the chain is sound? Ok. Let see what else isn't true. Then pick apart the entire religion and make you answer for 500 more ahadeeth. The haters of Islam salivate at the thought of throwing out multiple sahih hadeeth. That is the bottom line in the end. If you say Esa عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ is dead and not returning you must by definition throw out many Ahadeeth about his return, about the dajall, and many others. A simple search yields there are around ten. That is a disturbing method. Of course if you have determined that all these sahih ahadeeth are in fact weak; that is a different story. I haven't seen anyone challenge that to this day. But that is the evidence you would have to provide. Not simply saying there should be freedom of opinions. That part is obvious.

[@amth3400]

So Dr fatoohi believe that isa as was not coming in his second return!!

[@watluktwel6767]

Stoped watching after he said he doesn't believe Issa A.S wouldn't return

[@das16thegoon]

54 mins in. He is not disproving anything. In what is in favour for the crucifixion and what is against the crucifixion, the amounts of evidence that is going for the crucifixion as opposed to against the crucifixion is insurmountable.

[@pissanukatika3720]

The truth is; Prophet Yeshua was not arrested,nor mocked,nor crucified at all but was caught up to heaven before soldiers arrived the house he stayed with his followers.

[@Mahad921]

Did the brother just deny authentic hadith because he said it is not in the quran

[@AbidNasim]

Gospels tell us that Jesus Barabbas was freed by Pontius Pilate. Considering the coincidence of the first name being Jesus, and the last name, a patronymic, that could just as well refer to JC, it is possible that the scribe's, still under the Roman thumb, tried to reveal the secret to posterity that crucifixion was not how it seemed.

[@dontegardner4735]

We are in an age where the scholars are many and the students are few and there's many ignoramus out there whose knowledge supersedes their intelligence ,fatoohi and his self made opinions and his elaborate explanations fits the bill he's akin to the new agers in every religion who is there reforming what was known by necessity with what is dubious

[@hydaromar6532]

Dr Louay is very correct, I think its time as people who are trying to follow the salaf we move on from the old narrative and start to explore different ideas. We have access to various new I formation that some contemporary scholars didn't.

[@sharky56493]

For what? Just for the sake of moving on? What information you have in the case of Jesus death? Please post here

[@robertpundsack1363]

Yes it did. Because God says so.

[@nesaralititumir6153]

2:00:00

[@ism34080]

Dr Louay Fatoohi should not be conflating his opinion with the widely attested and unanimous Islamic views on Jesus. There is a consensus amongst the scholars of Islam that 'Isa (AS) will come back, It is mass transmitted (mutawatir), and a point of belief, as recorded in the Tahawiyya and elsewhere, that he will descend from Heaven at the end of times.

[@moosa86]

His whole presentation was "his opinions" made in an uppity accent. 😂

[@sonbahar5296]

You are absolutely wrong! 80% of Muslims believe what Dr. Louay Fatoohi explains... There is nothing in the Qur'an about Mehdi or the Messiah! Stories from Christianity and Judaism applied to Shia Islam. Same for 12 imams, they are all fake tales!

[@mikethomas7718]

Seems like a quranist to me. 🤷🏽

[@hashimmohammed1794]

@@sonbahar5296 Do you think 80% of muslims are Hadith rejectors? If so, then you’re delusional.

[@EmeraldDiamond3]

@@sonbahar5296 Hadeeth rejectors are a deviant sect. A cult. An ignorant one.

[@muslimtochrist4727]

Jesus Christ predicted his own death and resurrection three times in the Gospel. Mark 8:31-33 31 Then he began to teach them that the Son of Man must undergo great suffering, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He said all this quite openly. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 33 But turning and looking at his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things.”

[@letmetalk2240]

Jesus denied he will die OUTSIDE JERUSALEM (Luke 13:33). Hebrew 5:7 supports his claim. The crucified victim was killed OUTSIDE JERUSLAME.

[@ghg12374]

If that so why his deciples didn't wait for him to come back at 3rd day or were worried??

[@letmetalk2240]

@@ghg12374 The way it is described by Mark 8:31-33 proves the story is gotten from hearsay.

[@ghg12374]

@@letmetalk2240 ya hersay was corrupted

[@nasirmehmed9069]

We can't deny his return because muslims even before Bukhari would believe in it and if someone says ok, muslims of that time got confused because of Christian theology then we are simply saying that they didn't have the knowledge of the Qur'an, THERE ARE MANY THINGS HAPPENING TODAY WHICH WERE CONSIDERED IMPOSSIBLE FEW YEARS AGO,

[@evanfreshman2450]

I think the most likely explanation for the "Wise King" of Mara bar Serapion was the former High Priest Hanan ben Hanan, a leader of the Judean rebels who was murdered by the Idumeans during the Jewish civil war in 68 CE that took place after the Romans were thrown out but before they returned and destroyed the Temple. All of which was contemporary history to the Assyrian observer. The Great Revolt began in 66 CE. Hanan was killed in 68 CE. Jerusalem was sacked in 70 CE. Masada fell in 73 CE. Mara bar Serapion was imprisoned in either 72 or 73 CE. Hanan was actually the person who ordered the death of the leader of the Christian Jews James the Just in 62 CE, which led to so much criticism in Jerusalem the Romans removed him from office and replaced with a new High Priest Yeshua ben Damnai, who in turn was deposed in favor of another Yeshua ben Gamla (also killed by the Idumeans during the civil war). There are a lot of people named Jesus in the accounts of Yosef ben Mattiyahu (Titus Flavius Josephus). James the Just is another possible "Wise King" the link between his death and the instability that eventually led to the destruction of Jerusalem. However, it seems strange for an outsider to call him a king, he had no legal authority, he was a Rabbi, and was put to death by the authorized priests. We would have to assume Mara bar Serapion was very familiar with the internal politics of Christians and their leader Yakov. This is unlikely as Mara bar Serapion was a Stoic from Assyria not a Jew, let alone a Christian. That the Idumeans slaughtered the Judean leadership during the Great Revolt and that the infighting led to their defeat by Rome would be better known to a contemporary in a neighboring nation. Hanan ben Hanan was serving as the chief executive and the senior religious authority of the Judeans during the revolt until his death.

[@madyasiwi]

Bart Ehrman has a lot to explain...

[@abdalazizariff5154]

3:54 They (the opponents) made some plans, but so did God. God is the most Virtuous of planners. [They schemed to arrest and crucify Jesus but God assured him] Wa makaroo wa makaral laahu wallaahu khairul maakireen Verse 3:54 deals with saving of Messenger Issa [AS] from crucifixion. [ History repeats itself-total domination of the Roman rulers by the Political Action Committee of the High Priests. They were challenged by Messenger Issa [AS], They did not like it, convinced the rulers to crucify. Allah informed Messenger Issa [AS] and his mother to leave the town and go far away. This is what is called - God is the most Virtuous of planners. In Kanz-al-Ummal it is reported from Hazrat Abu Huraira that God guided Jesus to go away from Jerusalem lest he should be identified and further persecuted.' Kanz-ul-Ummal, Vol. 2, 34. Ibn-iJarir,in his Tafsir-Ibn-i-Jarir at-Tabri says: Jesus was like unto the Holy Prophet. He and his mother, Mary (as a result of Jewish persecutions) had to migrate from Palestine and leave for a far off country and he went from country to country.Ibn-i-Jarir, Tafsir lbn-i-Jarir at-Tab ri, Vol. 3: 197. According to Sheikh Shaltoot of Al-Azhar , for the sectarian Muslims , who believe that Messenger Issa [AS] was raised to the heaven, this is no planning. Planning has to be on a human [parallel] level.

[@zohaimam9398]

Another topic that needs to be covered is if Jesus is ever coming back as per the Holy Quran. You covered it .. why would Jesus come back .. to do what. When he was not crucified then he died a natural death .. lifted up to me means lifted in ranks ..

[@stephenbrain3620]

What evidence is there? There are claims; there are legends. Evidence would be a ledger kept by the Romans with a list of the crucified; a mention of the sky going dark for no apparent reason for three hours in some contemporaneous chronicle; a diary entry by Pilate mentioning the episode, etc. Right now, all we have are stories first recorded decades after the events under discussion. Any discussion of the "evidence" is pointless.

[@lamdal30]

The question is much simpler. Why does it need to be complicated. I tried following but it is very hard. The subject is interesting but the way he tries to explain it is not effective to say the least.

[@begratefuliskey1867]

Why does he think that Isa (as) died after he has been raised?

[@markward3981]

??? Where does he say this?

[@1994mrmysteryman]

​@@markward3981 Around the 20 min mark. When going through the table.

[@vetma1]

The evangelists were fiction writers-not observers or eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus. Each of the four contradicts the other in writing his account of the events of his suffering and crucifixion ....It is clear that these addled legends are lifted from accounts of several crucifixions or based on the words of someone who died twice and did not leave a strong impression of his suffering and death to those present. [It follows that] if these men were unable to be consistent with respect to the way he died, basing [their account] simply on hearsay, then they did.not fare any better with the rest of their story. Porphyrys Against the Christians. The Literary Remains by Porphyry, R. Joseph Hoffmann - Page : 32 - 33

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Crucifixion Baggage 2:34:31 It's got baggage because one's religious leader being crucified was a point of embarrassment, wasn't it? The Roman execution cross back then was far different back then than it is today (the warp and woof, as Jews put it). Back then there were different methods of crucifixion and Seneca Minor lists three of them: 1 hanging upside-down on a pole, 2 impalement, and 3 hanging upright by the wrists (Dialogue 6.20.3 = De Consolatione 20.3). These were not standard, though. The standard method described by Seneca, again, involved elements 2 and 3, plus 1 in reverse direction (Moral Epistles 101.10-14). Typically the cross would be in the stick figure of an aroused and erect male (Priapus, see The Priapeia 87 (Virgil, Catalepton 2a.18)). But the impalement was for a safe depth, often a "small peg," to prevent serious injury, until the legs were broken so that the person would fall uncontrollably and suffer fatal internal injuries - as well as shock and possible asphyxiation. There are three scholars acknowledging this, one grudgingly: Gunnar Samuelsson, John Granger Cook, and David Tombs.

[@visionbiblique]

Because we are in an environment where people give a lot of value to academic things, some people use this language not to produce something solid, serious, but as a tool to try to support the unsustainable, to give their doctrine (unsustainable) an air of an academic type. The Texts of Paul are letters sent to a Christian or to an entire church of his time. These people already knew the main lines of the story of Jesus, they are Christians. Paul's Purpose in his letters is to answer questions these churches ask him, to comfort, to exhort.... Paul is not writing to us today. He is not writing to answer our questions today...

[@thesss5927]

Hey brothers and sisters asalamo alaykom I've found this interesting but why the scholar didn't support his declarations by the evidence when it comes to Muslims thoughts on if jesus christ was raised Alive coz there's a verset in Qur'an which say "وما قتلوه وما صلبوه بل رفعه الله اليه" "They didn't killed him and they didn't crucified him but he was raised alive by allah toward himself" That's the first observation. The second is ! and this is where the scholar made a very very big mistake so lets see : When he cames to the Death of Jesus pbuh, He clearly said that he personally think there's no second coming of Christ coz the Qur'an said that he was dead I've mentioned above that the Qur'an said once that he's not dead on the tongue of the holly spirit narrating , And the other time in Qur'an on the tongue of Jesus Christ himself when he responded a clear question of Allah himself in this verset "واذ قال الله يا عيسى إبن مريم أأنت قلت للناس اتخذوني وأمي الاهين من دون الله قال سبحانك ما يكون لي أن أقول ما ليس لي بحق ان كنت قلته فقد علمته تعلم ما في نفسي ولا اعلم ما في نفسك إنك أنت علام الغيوب # ماقلت لهم الا ما امرتني به أن اعبدوا الله ربي وربكم وكنت عليهم شهيدا ما دمت فيهم فلما توفيتني كنت أنت الرقيب عليهم وأنت على كل شيئ شهيد " الآيتين 116و 117 من سورة المائدة 116&117 verset from chapter 5 of the Qur'an AL MAEDA .

[@thecaptainpalestine]

Jesus having died is a completely false notion, Dr Louay Fatoohi should publicly take back his words, as the Qur'an doesn't state that Jesus died, rather it informs us that they didn't kill him and that he was raised to Allah. Allah said in the Qur'an: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. (Surah An-Nisa Verses 157 & 158, Saheeh International translation) Peace

[@markward3981]

I heard he said this , I watched the first video on blogging theology with him now I am listening to this one closely. Unfortunately many modern scholars are reinterpreting the ayah about Isa Ibn Maryam alayhi salaam.

[@thecaptainpalestine]

@@markward3981 Yes it is falsehood that should not be considered let alone spread, it is clear in the Quran that Jesus was not crucified nor killed! "but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them" (Translation of the Quran, Chapter 4, verse 156)

[@markward3981]

@@thecaptainpalestine السلام عليكم ورحمه الله May Allah protect us and keep us rightly guided.

[@markward3981]

@@thecaptainpalestine I have been researching about Isa Ibn Maryam alayhi salaam for a while, collecting notes from lectures , Arabic and authentic ahadith

[@thecaptainpalestine]

@@markward3981 و عليكم السلام و رحمة الله و بركاته آمين

[@kinanlambong490]

There are many versions about the death of Jesus, the real Jesus-Jesus-Isa As. did not die but when it was saved and who was decided in the crucifixion were identical people with Jesus-Jesus-Isa As. Therefore, in the story of the crucifixion of Jesus there is a shout "Eli .. Eli Lama Sabakhtani" on (Matthew 27:46) which is not a personal accent tradition of Jesus-Jesus-Isa As. as the tribe of Judah and Levite Aramaic language during life to say to God Almighty. The tradition of saying Jesus-Jesus-Isa As. according to the Aramaic accent is "Eloi" and "Elahi" in Hebrew becomes "Elohim" not just "Eli" speech.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

*We have taken some notes while watching this video. And our Opinion is as under:* 1- Brother Fatoohi has defined Arabic Word of Quran "Ghaib" as unknown history but we think, meaning of word Ghaib in Quran is: those things which are beyond the perception of human beings, and only God knows those events. We read in Quran 2:3 ٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱلْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَـٰهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ "Who believe in [the existence of] that *which is beyond the reach of human perception,* and are constant in prayer, and spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance;" (Asad) ---- Note: Salat never means: Prayers or Rituals 2- In First Gospel, Gospel of Mark of 4th Century, we do not see any hoax of Ascension and Return of Jesus nor any fable of Virgin Birth. If these two stories were REAL; then how could Mark miss these two highly Fanciful tales!! These Fables were Blended in Gospels much later. 3- Quran is the Most Beautiful Book, and Quran fully explains itself by its own Tasreef 6:105, 25:33, 6:114, 18:54. Word RAFA which is used for Jesus in 4:158 is also used in many other verses of Quran and its meaning is TO RAISE. But Question is: What kind of Raise? Raise in Salary, Raise volume of this Video, Raise in Flood level in a River or what? In Quran meaning of RAISE=RAFA is TO RAISE IN HONOR or Spiritual Exaltation; never to raise body of Jesus to any remote part of Sky (God is closer than neck vein 50:16). Verse 3:55 confirms what is given in 32:11 that only after death, soul of person is raised to God. When Quran was in need to show something being raised PHYSICALLY UP; then Quran has not used word RAFA of 4:158 but have used word Yas'ad as we see in 6:125 and 35:10. Beautiful Quran has indeed made CONTRAST of two words RAFA and Yas'ad in same one verse 35:10 where meaning of RAFA is Exalt, and meaning word Yas'ad is to raise up physically. Dr. Louay Fatoohi is an Arab, and he knows well that Mas'ad (Elevator) is used in High rise buildings to raise People from first Story to upper story. Word Mas'ad is in fact another connotation of word Ya'sad which is used in Quran 6:125 and 35:10. We read in famous Book of Sunni sect MUSTADRAK and in other books too that when a Person asked meaning of word RAFA of 4:158 from Imam Abu Hanifa; he told person: Read Quranic verse 35:10. 4- Word WAFAT is used in over 25 verses for natural death. Same word is used in 10:46 for the natural death of Prophet Mohammad, and same word WAFAT is used for the Natural death of Jesus in 5:117 but Who love Fiction, they Tamper translation of verse 5:117. Verse 3:144 also makes VERY CLEAR that all Messengers before Mohammad has been passed away=Died. This means: Jesus is also died NATURALLY at very old age, and dead never return to this world where Russian-Ukrainian war is going on, and Covid has made this planet already, HELL. In verse 5:110, Quran has used word KAHLAN for the last stage of age of Jesus. In Ancient Hadith Literature, word Kahlan of 5:110 is used for that Putrid age when skin of person starts to putrefy. This is age of more than 100 years. It is mentioned in over 25 Famous Books of Sunni sect that Prophet Mohammad said: Jesus died at 120 age. PURE Secular History also shows he died at age 120. Even Book of Church Father Irenaeus (died 202 CE) shows that Jesus lived to the era of Roman Emperor Trajan who died in 117 CE 5- Theory of Substitution was spread by Agnostic Christian groups which was later infused in Hadith Books. In verse 4:157 word Shubbiha means: Resembled. Now, if you are driving countryside, and you see one person lying on foot path, and his bleeding body is not moving; you might think: he is dead. You called Ambulance to inform about that Person. Office of Ambulance asks: is person dead or still alive? You answer: I do not know exactly but he RESEMBLES a DEAD PERSON. But when he was treated in Hospital, Doctor knew that he was in Deep Coma, so he was resuscitated (NOT Resurrected) on 3rd day in City Hospital of New York. Same is the case of Jesus. When Essene (HawaariYoon See Quran 3:52) Joseph of Arimathea told Pilate that it seems, Jesus has died on the Cross; so we need his body. Pilate sent a Roman Soldier to pierce one side of Chest of Jesus with spear to see if really he was dead, but body did not move; however water and blood gushed out which show: heart was still pumping. Because his body did not move due to DEEP DEEP DEEP coma; so in front of Roman Soldier, JESUS' body *resembled (Shubbiha 4:157) a Dead body,* and he handed over body to Essene Joseph of Arimathea, who with Essene's top Doctor, Dr. Nicodemus treated Jesus in a empty Tomb, and Resuscitated him. So Jesus was never Crucified as Noble Quran says in 4:157. Gospel of John and Luke show clearly that after resuscitation, Jesus was very much alive, and meeting disciples and eating with them bread and Fish. We read in Gospel of Thomas that Jesus told his disciples that he is leaving them but he did not disclose to them his destination. Disciples asked: We know you are leaving us but whom should we follow after you? Jesus told them: after me, follow "James the Just" (brother of Jesus). Gospels and Quranic Surah 3 also Confirm that Mary had many Children, and Surah 13 of Quran confirms that Jesus too was married and had Children. James the Just is recorded saying: Jesus was Pathological son of Joseph and Mary. Historical Record shows: later he hid his identity as Yuz Asaf so that Romans should not arrest him again, and moved to Damascus and stayed with his disciple Ananias, then he with mother Mary moved to Nisibis Turkey, then to Persia, then to Taxila Pakistan (see Acta Thomae - Act of Thomas), then to Murree Pakistan, then to Srinagar Kashmir; he preached there lost 10 tribes of Israel ( Kashmiri and Afghanis) and died at age 120, and is buried in RozaBal Grave. We can see even today 2000 years old Grave of Mary (mother of Jesus) on hilltop of Murree (near Islamabad Pakistan). *We read in Matthew: Jesus said: I have been sent to preach lost Sheep of Israel. Even after 2700 years; even today you can match almost all Tribe names of Afghani and Kashmiri with those Tribes which are given in Old Testament. One al-Ahad Hadith which say: Jesus will return, has been rejected by many scholars like Allama Mohammad Iqbal. 1200 years ago, Imam Malik Said "Maat Isa" which mean: Jesus has been died. Many Sunni Scholars has rejected Hoax of Ascension and Return of Jesus. Tabari writes that God told Jesus to immigrate to other countries, so Jesus was roaming from one Country to other country* 6- Suffering: God tests even his true Servants. Prophets of God John the Baptist and Zakria were mudded. So nailing of Jesus on Cross is not a strange and exceptional suffering. 7- Let Dr. Louay Fatoohi realize that Majority is not a benchmark of being Right, Truth can be standing alone

[@abdar-rahman6965]

We suggest to read our Pages on the Life of Jesus

[@ism34080]

8 - you're still wrong.