Did the Vatican Excommunicate Archbishop Viganò? w/

[@isaiahdeck8747]

Every single Catholic these days almost need to take two hours and read “Uniformity to God’s Will” by St. Alphonsus Liguori. Even better than that, read your bibles. St. Paul tells us that dissension is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. So if you’re tempted to leave the Church for Orthodoxy or Protestantism, please examine yourself and judge yourself instead of others (i.e. the Pope). Above all, trust in God through all temptations and trials. That includes a Pope you dislike or are scandalized by. I know it’s hard, but draw near to Christ and let Him heal your broken heart from the apparent scandals that take place in the Church.

[@Hugo-ox8pk]

Amen brother! straying from the Church is straying from God!

[@hyeminkwun9523]

from Our Lord's 5/31/2020 message to disciple (Julian Soto Ayala): "The hidden weapons of world domination, the enemy forces of Mine, of My church and of My faithful disciples, who follow Me, do violence to us. It is now, My children, that the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth suffers violence (Matt 11:12), it is now that the striving brave will enter it. First it was, the elaboration of a "Master Plan" then... Infiltration, achieving the highest domains, then... Then came manipulation, betrayal and control of the media. From the highest echelons of the Church, Satan worked tirelessly, until introducing a false pastor, who will soon leave his post to make way for "the greatest of abominations." The false shepherd has sold the sheep into total confusion, making them believe that they follow the truth, while he himself, in his person, is full of lies and stubborn pride. He submits, to obedience, all My already polluted and perverted church, and has usurped the power of the primacy of Peter and corrupted the Petrine throne; that is why he does not have the power of the "Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt 16:19)". Behind him, the strings of the hands of those, who control everything move, move and order him, force him to make subtle statements that are leading My children to confusion and division. My simple, humble children, who seek to love Me and follow Me. The sects are the works of the devil; falsehood and lie is in the pastors. Romans 1:22, 'boasting of wise men, they became fools.' Priests and bishop theologians are denying My Resurrection, and denying, with infiltrated lies, My Real Presence in the Eucharist. The theology of modernism, the theology of liberation, the theology of humanism are sharp, pointed arrows that wound My Heart. False ecumenism will drive Me out of the Church, out of My altars, because they will embrace false human doctrines that are only commands of wicked men. The union of world religions will no longer accept My Pure and Holy Immaculate Mother as Mother of God, My Mother and Mother of Humanity. Thus they have subdued many of My children, who have anxiety and fear, because they do not want to leave the prostituted Church, it is the feeling of the world. Oh... My disciple continues to write... although doing so costs you a great effort. I the Lord keep speaking... Whoever wants to understand understands… Listen to the Voice of the Shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep. My prophets announce you and warn you in My Name, because I Jesus have taken you for Me. They will not suffer any harm as long as they fulfill their mission. My Church is now like a boat shaken by waves and storm, the impostor has guided it into troubled waters and lost its way! This time had to come... Do not be surprised that I repeat it again... Religious control is being exercised with the worldwide economic support of the powers of the master of this world, who seem to triumph under the protection of bishops and cardinals, who unduly usurped the command. My children, My power is greater, much greater... than the false power that rules the world. Either you are with Me, or you are against Me! You have heard and read it... that he who claims to be a friend of the world becomes My enemy. The traitor is here... My church has been sold... yet I preserve, with My grace, those, whom I have chosen. I the Lord have spoken."

[@jfarris1227]

@@isaiahdeck8747 I thank you for this. It’s very simple and concise, and if everybody would take this to heart, we would be a stronger church

[@WarIsNoMoreCold]

Lol the comment section attracted a lot of schismatics themselves! Beware! Toxicity ahead.

[@AdamtheGrey02]

Yes, because inviting a pagan god onto Vatican grounds and in the Church isn't toxic right.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

​@@AdamtheGrey02Sin doesn't justify sin!

[@AdamtheGrey02]

@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 If it leads the faithful away from the teachings of Christ it certainly does. If you're allowing pagan rituals to take place where Christ resides in the tabernacle, that is called blasphemy.

[@AdamtheGrey02]

@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 And I wasn't justifying "schism". Most posters here are disapproving of this Pope's handling of issues and thoughts like giving Communion to divorced people who are still "remarried" and living in sin. It's not "toxic" to be upset at things of that nature but what is toxic, is inviting a false pagan god onto Vatican grounds and in a Catholic Church.

[@tonyalongi4409]

@@AdamtheGrey02 If you're referring to the Amazon Synod, and to what the participants themselves called "Our Lady of the Amazon" (you can hear it in the recording), then I can safely reassure you that no pagan god was involved. All that nonsense started with Taylor Marshall, who seems to get a kick out of gaslighting and outrage-baiting his audience. Even Pope Francis himself said there was no pagan intent there.

[@EdwardBray-i1w]

Thanks CA, for sharing this and stepping away from previous dissenting positions. Let us all hope EWTN follows suit.

[@danielmeadows3712]

God bless Pope Francis and the seat of Peter. Instead of criticising the Church we should prayer for unity, as our Lord demands.

[@lucky16ization]

Thank you for clearing this up!

[@dan_m7774]

I think Jimmy gets this wrong. The automatic excommunication happened about a year ago, and the Vatican was trying to demonstrate tolerance, that he might repent. After this failed attempt the Vatican doctrinal office found him guilty and formally excommunicated Vigano. This occurred in July

[@mussman717word]

Jimmy wasn't exactly wrong. He just wasn't as right as he could have been. Viganò has made a habit of committing schismatic acts. It's what schismatics do!

[@BeauBeckwith]

Thank you for stating things so clearly, Jimmy!

[@theticoboy]

Why can’t there legitimate concern over both Pope Francis and Vigano? Pope Francis either says concerning things or allows his words to be misleading if that makes sense. And Vigano went too far. I don’t understand why good Catholics have to bend over backwards defending either.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

Thet, before God, Have you ever read any of the encyclicals of Pope Francis or his Biblical commentaries? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!

[@Bob.W.]

God will sort this out. Thanks.

[@msjperkins3653]

@CatholicAnswers I’m in the process of converting to the Catholic Church, but I hear so many people speaking ill of the Pope. I was under the understanding that it matters not the man who sits in the seat of Peter, what matters is the seat of Peter. Just as Jesus told the Jews to do as the Pharisees tell them because they sit in the seat of Moses, but not to do as they do. The Holy Spirit moved wicked High Priest Caiphas to prophecy that the death of Christ would save the entire nation, even the world. Doesn’t God control the seat of Peter just as He controlled the seat of Moses? I’m reading The Catholic Controversy right now, and that’s the view I’m getting. Is that wrong?

[@SamuelVarg]

God is in control. Pope Francis is a true pope. And welcome home soon! I became a Catholic last easter and it is great.

[@msjperkins3653]

@@SamuelVarg thank you brother!

[@mjLes18]

You are right. And Francis is an anti pope. He is a heretic preaching against the Teachings of the Church.

[@scopilio13]

don't worry. i wouldn't think of the pope as Jesus thought of the pharisees. pope francis is genuinely trying to do what is right by Jesus. he just gets duped from time to time by the snakes that are trying to corrupt the church.

[@ironymatt]

Just as with any other matter in life, we have to be careful about second-hand sources when it comes to where we gather our information. Those who believe themselves worthy of passing judgment on the pope are a lot like armchair quarterbacks - if you'll pardon the sports analogy. Even if they happen to be of the right view, getting the ball in the end zone isn't their doing. I've personally seen many media figures get things far more wrong than right when it comes to reporting on the Papacy, and it's happened frequently enough that it becomes very difficult to simply chalk such errors up to incompetence.

[@tenthorder3291]

Jimmy is the best- God bless him

[@hamie7624]

I find him smug.

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

Frances does the right thing, bless the sinner not the sin as Jesus did. Jesus ate with sinners.

[@rogelioortamartin6794]

I am all for blessing the sinners, because we all are sinners. He. And his Jesuit comrades are doing way more than that.

[@victoriaeinbinder9487]

Jesus called sinners to repentance first.

[@johncopper5128]

Thank you.

[@a-zboxing2046]

Well said Jimmy Aikin

[@joshcruise2657]

He is a modern Saint Athanasius.

[@marcelw6045]

Who on earth or in heaven could side with Bergoglio over Viganò? Get your heads out of the sand and wake up. Be courageous for a change.

[@richard-ij2fm]

So in 52 seconds of watching this my question is. Has Vigano changed from what the church has done for 1500 years or has the church hierarchy changed?

[@germanrapwithenglishlyrics5372]

Thank you for clearing this up. “Catholics“ who do not recognize the Pope basically doubt that the Holy Spirit leads the church. They doubt in the infallible God. I think one huge issue is that people see the Pope as infallible. That’s a terrible wrong approach, because the Pope isn’t God and he is a sinner as everyone of us - that’s very important to realize. Saint Peter, who was the first pope, denied Jesus 3 times after he was announced by Jesus as the rock of the Church. Jesus even knew he will deny him, but he didn‘t hold back to choose him as the first holy leader of his holy church. Also understand, that Peter had the privilege to witness all the miracles himself, but he still denied Jesus. What would we think in todays time if the pope has somewhere in the past denied that he believes in Jesus? I’m almost certain that anyone who defends the view points of Vigano, would claim that such a pope isn’t the righteous pope. And my last two cents: I have very conservative views. There is also nothing wrong about criticizing certain actions of pope, which I also do. But it is important to recognize, that he is the true leader of his holy Catholic Church, as he was chosen by the Holy Spirit, God himself.

[@anthonyleger7185]

First of all, The Pope isn’t the Church. Second, if people can see errors coming from the hierarchy it doesn’t make them “not Catholic” Thirdly, personnel IS policy and a person would have to be willfully blind to not see the homoheritics that Francis promotes to positions of power in the church. YES, pray for the Pope and for the Church but don’t pretend that everything is the way it’s supposed to be. Don’t put your head in the sand. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

[@LordMazdamundi]

Common Jimmy W

[@clivejames5058]

What if there are wolves in sheep's clothing in the Church? and this time in positions of authority, maybe even right up to the top (as Our Lady warned). How do we choose between blind obedience and discerning the truth?

[@J.R2023]

@@clivejames5058 its always the same thing with the schismatics, they always think they are right

[@carminelombardi9575]

Let me weigh in on this if I may, in the end, the ultimate judge on this excommunication is, JESUS!

[@vman9347]

You kinda said something without saying anything. What does that even mean?

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

"Archbishop Viganò, we think you may be in schism, care to defend yourself?" "No, because I am in schism" "Ok, you are" It's not up for debate

[@josephgreenecomposer7046]

The Church obviously has the authority to make declarations about this though. St. Paul anathemized people.

[@Catholiclady3]

Whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.

[@Rubicon1776]

I all things we must have discernment and fully recognize when apostasy exists in the Church. Roman Catholicism, as the one true Church of Christ, is under constant attack. So it is no surprise to me that the Pope himself could come under unholy influence. I believe you can recognize the authority of a legitimate Pope and but also recognize when a Pope’s words and deeds suggest that he is in grave error. To blindly follow error is heresy and apostasy. That is not to say that one should leave the Church. I will not abandon Jesus because of Judas. So whether it is the issue of Papal abuses or pedophile priests, what we believe in remains unchanged and I will not abandon the Church and all that I believe in because of the actions of a few.

[@ImaginatorJoren]

@@Rubicon1776 amen 🙏

[@genuinetuffguy1854]

@@Rubicon1776 I don’t think Pope Francis has done anything so drastic as to be called heresy. What concerns me are those in the Church in high ranks (like Vigano had been) who openly oppose Pope Francis. They are weakening the Church and they are unwittingly doing the work of the anti-christ who will seize the moment to take control and eventually introduce the abomination of desolation where we are denied the True Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are in confusing times where division, suspicion, and accusations are rampant. We must drastically increase our prayers for all the favored sons and daughters of God to lessen the impact of these times of tribulation. We must have faith that the Church of Christ will prevail. Although we should remain concerned, we should never let fear nor despair control us…we should always trust in Jesus.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

Rub, yet those who claim Pope Francis teaches heresy and error, are themselves ignorant of Catholic teaching and Canon Law and Holy Scripture! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!

[@Rubicon1776]

@@matthewbroderick6287 matt, what bergoglio said on its face is heresy It leads others to continue to believe in false religions and false gods instead of seeking the truth instead of seeking Jesus Christ

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

Pope Francis is a True Holy man. God Bless Pope Francis.

[@AdamtheGrey02]

Have you lost your mind? Telling gays they must "continue to fight for your rights" isn't signs of a "Holy" man when we know the context is their "rights" are all about what God rejects.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

​@@AdamtheGrey02In some countries, "their rights" to fight include not being executed for their sexual feelings.

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

@@AdamtheGrey02 Stop making crap up.

[@AdamtheGrey02]

@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 OF course, And they're not executed for being gay but these are "sodomy" laws. Now does this Pope care about their bodies more or their eternal souls because I didn't read the part where He told them to repent of their sinful homosexual lifestyle which seems to be the case again and again like with pro Abortion Biden.

[@ml48218]

it's not holy to confirm your brethren in sin instead of the faith. He affirms sodomy and adultery but he does do it with a smile and denial from time to time

[@mdainko]

Pope Francis is a terrible Pope. The Catholic church has survived worst though.

[@SevereFamine]

He’s probably a better pope than you are lay person.

[@renjithjoseph7135]

​@@SevereFamine that is not a fair comparison. One is evaluation of the fulfilment of a role. Yours is a judgement of OP's holiness.

[@jd3jefferson556]

​@SevereFamine one of the best answers I've ever heard😅 truly he is a better Pope than most of us are laity

[@danielmeadows3712]

Can you explain how he has failed in his duties?

[@classicalteacher]

Francis has excommunicated himself with his own actions and words. This whole thing is tragic.

[@vman9347]

That Doesn’t mean sense. He’s the Bishop of Rome

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

You're very clearly wrong. Viganò is forbidden from attending mass until he repents, how are you in a different situation from him?

[@videonmode8649]

God bless the Holy Father, Pope Francis.

[@scopilio13]

good bye! be sure to stop taking communion in catholic churches until you've examined your conscience and reconciled with the church. it's clear you don't want to be catholic anymore.

[@saintmatthew956]

Nope.

[@patrickdev8211]

That’s an enormously weak answer and to be honest, as a donor to catholic answers I’m seriously considering pulling back. The Vatican excommunicated him by ruling it a schism so yes they excommunicated him as a result of their ruling. It’s silly and evasive to characterize it otherwise. SMH

[@GranMaese]

Oh, shut up, Rebecca, you are not a donor. And Vigano, aka the plant, excommunicated himself the moment he opened his mouth to state such schismatic claims. Period. Deal with it.

[@videonmode8649]

Vigano excommunicated himself by his words.

[@SpodgeDanish]

I know you don't wanna hear it but you're wrong. You can excommunicate yourself from various actions. For example, a priest is automatically excommunicated if he breaks the seal of confession. Vigano said he didn't recognize the Pope. THAT IS SCHISM.

[@jamesvandermark9054]

1364- § 1. An apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication, without prejudice to the provision of can. This form of excommunication occurs even without the knowledge or decision of the Church authorities. So, by the Code of Canon law, he was excommunicated by himself.

[@rogelioortamartin6794]

It is becoming harder and harder for those of us in the Catholic church in disagreement with the leftist views of the Pope, to stay in communion with Rome. I have seriously consider joining the Orthodox Church, although I believe the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ. I pray to the Holy Spirit that our current Pope changes his ways, or that we can have a new Pope soon, for the benefit of the Church.

[@ironwillACNH]

The church is beyond simple American politics

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

And that’s precisely why the church in Africa and Southeast Asia is booming when it’s dying in the West. American catholics see the Church as a political body with your left and right and red and blue lenses coupled with a tone online Catholic media to choose from which more often than not serve as moral magisteriums. Therefore Catholics in the US judge the Church according to their favorite Catholic podcast! It’s beyond sad.

[@kylehammerness8814]

Which leftist views?

[@classicalteacher]

The Eastern Othodox are even more divided than Christ's Catholic Church. What you are saying is based on emotional sensationalism, not logic or reasonable thought.

[@rogelioortamartin6794]

@@ironwillACNH The Church is beyond all politics, but when the leader of the Church embraces communist dictators, supports (directly or indirectly) movements that go against the traditional moral Christian principles, and attacks those in the Church that want to maintain its eternal principles, it is very hard to stay. I do not know what you wanted to achieve with your oversimplified response, but it didn't work.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@catholiccom The catholic church excommunicated themselves from God by sinning. 1john3:6 sinners don't know God or understand Him. The key is to stop sinning.

[@matthewbroderick6287]

TheTruth, So then Protestants too excommunicated themselves, as we all sin! As your silly theory goes anyway! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!

[@ImaginatorJoren]

We don’t need a schismatic pope or schismatic bishops. The Church in Rome is lost. The institution must be destroyed, and regrow from the Remnant under Jesus Christ himself and Mary His Mother. That they may all be one.

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

Your nonsense is untenable

[@edyflak]

Destroyed by who? “the gates of hell shall not prevail”

[@josephgreenecomposer7046]

Bro just admit you're a protestant and don't believe Jesus's words to St. Peter.

[@Catholiclady3]

The Pope can't be in Schism but you can be.

[@ImaginatorJoren]

@@Catholiclady3 He can, we have had anti-Popes in the past. He cannot preach error on issues of Faith and Morals from the chair of Peter though, which Francis has avoided doing. Not that I think he would. His behavior otherwise is what causes me to agree with Vìgano in some parts.