Did They Fix Chaos Knights? NEW RULES - Warhammer 40k

[@MoadikumMoodocks]

Thanks Titans. Thematically this quote came to mind, "I beg pardon, sire. Won't we hit our own troops?" "Yes, but we'll hit theirs as well. We have reserves."

[@bigyeticane]

Haha! Look at you quoting Longshanks from Braveheart! ❤

[@melodywallace4370]

I bet this plays better than it looks, and best of all, it’s not 12 wardogs.

[@gavinziozios1431]

@melodywallace4370 It sounds like it plays really well since it pretty much covers issues the CK struggled with anyways. And yes, it's not 12 war dogs anymore. Only 7 or 8 to cover for the 100 cultists

[@Bonesawisready926]

@@gavinziozios1431 I think taking away the ability to move through terrain for War Dogs is what will give big knights more play.

[@lassemelson5668]

@@Bonesawisready926 ive been running the new detachment with 3 big knights and 3 small ones.. so much more fun tbh

[@CalebGrady-j8t]

​@@lassemelson5668 I know big knights are way more fun to play with cerastus Lancer is very nice for this detachment so is despoiler

[@gavinziozios1431]

Wow. It's basically Chaos Cult, but with Knights. I guess we did technically get the House Men-at-Arms

[@chaosclg]

I didnt expect any of the factions without a codex to get anything major, that being said the way i look at this detachment is 2 wardogs through walls vs cultists with sticky obs. I was taking Plaguebearers so 2 squads with stickies for 20 pts cheaper is ok by me. For the cost of a little more than an unclean one + nurglings you can take a dark commune + accursed brick or 2 dark commune small brick accursed which get horde move and once a game adv charge +1 to hit and wound with 5++6+++ I'll definitely be trying a few versions of this

[@thecactusman17]

I have to hope that the CKIK book due out next year has some actual decent rules, because this really doesn't do anything I want except give Lethal/Sustained to the big guys. Imperial Knights get essentially the same thing except their available units are actually pretty good compared to Cultists.

[@lassemelson5668]

getting rr 1's to hit and wound is damn good too

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

this detachment is made for the Titanic walkers and they can walk through walls but might get battleshocked if they do. and ofc you get more out of the sacrifices if done by a titanic knight. :)

[@willscott5374]

The way i think this could be improved is by adding in a clause for wardogs. Making it if you choose them they can take up to d3 or d6 based on if they pass or fail their leadership. I get you want to soup in cultists but adding in a clause for the mini knights would make it more viable

[@Sikag-fj5cy]

I like the story and imagery behind this detachment! Unfortunate for people who wanted a more knight based detachment, but the idea of a chaos knight gunning down his own foot soldiers to obliterate their enemies is a very chaosy image

[@Bonesawisready926]

As a detachment... it's fine. I'm not gonna play it because I'm not gonna paint up 90 cultists, but if you're a chaos main and you have the bodies anyways, it's a better way to run big knights. Even though I think most lists are gonna be 4X20 and 1X10 cultists, 1 Tyrant, 2 Rampagers, then a couple war dogs. But we'll see how the points go out.

[@nurglematthew]

Nurgle Bless Our Constitution In The Kindest Of Ways, Chat!! CK storming the castle !!

[@kalamander8563]

Whike I like the flavor, this feels lazy. Most of these rules are 9th edition CK stuff combines with the Cultist rules from 9th edition Iron Warriors.

[@GaryP336]

Spoiler : no

[@CalebGrady-j8t]

Yes

[@EliteDarkAssassin]

Personally i don't like it as i don't own any CSM models nor do i want to. While i think it'll be cool to see people play something else other than oops all wardogs list, this detachment does nothing for me other than 6+++ enhancement, heal d3(+2), and advance/fall back and shoot and charge.

[@Bonesawisready926]

And honestly, you can get the Advance and charge on the Rampagers once per game, and you really only need it once per game. War dogs not being able to go through terrain anymore hurts the detachment. I won't be playing it because I don't want to paint up 90 Cultists, but if you already got em, have a ball.

[@einrauser6103]

This is not the way.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

IMO I like the Loyalist version more. Feels more like a synergy between Knights and their allies than "you're all bodies to throw at my problems".

[@deniszubko3819]

That's thematical though. Chaos Knight Households and Renegate Households will do exactly that. Bring naked armsmen with autoguns, to throw at an enemy. If even one shot goes to the unwashed masses, well, they are doing their job of distracting the enemy for their masters. To me it looks like a detachment much more suited to fun narrative, than to competitive.

[@gavinziozios1431]

@@LordCrate-du8zm Maybe, but it is very much a chaos thing to do

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@gavinziozios1431 true

[@otisred7848]

This is garbage. I play chaos knights and I'm very disappointed. We've been forced to use allies all edition. I don't want to chew up points for allies I want to play with my knights. Most strats and enhancements are focused on the allied units not the actual knights plus we Have to give up rotate ion shields and knights of shade. So other armies are getting strats to let vehicles go through terrain we are losing ours? I swear GW is trying to get rid of knights as a faction and just use them as allies for other armies.

[@chrisrainey8663]

I think its a fun narrative detachment

[@Motorcitynights]

I don't think anyone should be expecting a crazy good detachment for grotmas. Chaos knights need better rules but that should be from the codex not some fluffy detachment event

[@boolean6532]

It's the inevitable result of an army that is entirely based on stat checking. It's impossible to balance a good purely Knight army so their solution is to encourage the use of allies. With hindsight knights should never have been their own seperate armies but since people have invested in them already this is a good compromise.

[@Gutterkraw]

The CK detachment is bad. Making people buy/play units they might not have and have to pay to buy a Black Legion codex is awful, and you guys need to call it out for that.

[@Luciusthestorms]

There's so many ways to get rules online that's not a problem at all. To use any unit you have to buy models. Someone who wants to play this detahmchment knows they have to buy cultists I don't see the problem there.

[@Gutterkraw]

@ it’s not about how easy it is to get the rules, it’s about making people add models from a different army just to use. The detachment is bad and doesn’t help CK as a faction or do anything to be a solution to Wardog spam.

[@Kibbet21]

Hahahahahahhahaha nope

[@hahaha1171]

They used our new free detachment as a excuse to buy a codex and hundreds of dollars in models in a faction that's not chaosknights

[@DawnoftheConquerors]

GW never fixes anything because if they did, there'd be nothing left to fix. In the grim darkness of the present day, there is only shareholder value.

[@gavinziozios1431]

What did they not fix...? If anything, this is almost nothing but improvements. Their damage output has the ability to be massively increased, and now we can get models to cover objectives. I almost feel like you're just complaining to complain

[@DawnoftheConquerors]

@@gavinziozios1431 I was just joking about the neverending need to fix things across editions :)

[@gavinziozios1431]

@DawnoftheConquerors Oh, got it. Makes more sense

[@GaryP336]

​@gavinziozios1431 no being able to travel through walls with 1 or 2 dudes basically means this detatchment is doa

[@gavinziozios1431]

@@GaryP336 I do hope that's sarcasm. If you think that's all that makes them good, then that sounds more like an issue on your end. I've run multiple games with CK, and I've only ever used the ability once. I won each game with them

[@kylewells6871]

The better do chaos daemons right!

[@kylewells6871]

Let me guess, they'll gwt a kool-aid man strat and a -1 to wound strat, which is getting passed around like fucking candy. 😅

[@prestonjohnson1537]

​@@kylewells6871but the Kool aid man strat will only be for slaanesh, and the -1 to wound will only be for nurgle. Because we can't have nice things like other factions.

[@kylewells6871]

How bullshit is it that the new chaos knights detachment is all about damned units, which i have none of gw. Huge fucking miss.....

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Sucks to be you ig.

[@lorenzobaglioni9647]

Yeah speak for yourself , i got 50 cultist that have just been sitting in a box for 3 editions, glad I get to dust them off and play with them

[@chrisrainey8663]

I think its great its a very fun detachment

[@kylewells6871]

This IS the worst detachment, im kinda upset.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Worse than the assassin one?