Did this Manhattan Sized Ship Break Thrawn's Rule? -Assertor-class Star Dreadnought - Star Wars

[@randomelk9801]

Thrawn: In the name of the thrawn confederation, this ship is bad. Palpatine: Its treason then.

[@echosdatacore2056]

Oh my 😂

[@old-worldghost3451]

Honestly, I think this is one of my favorite Imperial designs. Not only because it is self reliant and has significant point defense cannons but also because it's weapons cover the dorsal and ventral hull.

[@patrickb4620]

Old-world Ghost 100% correct

[@ObviusRetard]

Still doesn't look as cool as the executor or the imperial 2

[@ethanbergeron2688]

A cool fact about this ship was that the models he uses, the name and design of the ship were all created by a fan and submitted to Lucasfilm, which they later wrote int cannon, he meant for it to address the main issues that came up with other ships of this size, when they released official stats on it, it had significantly fewer guns and held fewer fighters than he originally meant, you can see that when you look at it the thing is covered in weapons. just some cool history.

[@floriansteininger347]

@Maintenance Renegade At least this design makes sense.

[@koraegi]

You can trust fractal sponge to make actually functional designs and make them gorgeous

[@KUN5T0PAB13B0Mb]

This would be an excellent flagship in a well balanced fleet

[@TheNecromancer6666]

KUN5T0PAB13B0Mb it would not. Its too big, to slow, too bulky. The biggest usefull ship is the Bellator

[@oracleofspace3931]

The Bellator actually wouldn't be that good a flagship, as it would have to slow down to keep up with the standard ISDs that it would be leading into battle.

[@TheNecromancer6666]

Oracle of Space Thats a good point actually. Maybe we have to switch ISDs for Procursators... Bloody unflexible imperials....

[@jooot_6850]

A flagship is the center of the fleet; the command center, and where the added op center of all the firepower will be. You protect the slow and inflexible big and slow ship with the one hit KO guns with the light, fast and flexible ships with smaller guns, not the other way around

[@Bingos90]

Just imagine that thing entering the system with an entire fleet

[@LAV-III]

Its guns have guns and thoes guns have guns on them

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Lol damn I coulda just described it like that and saved lots of time

[@CaptainLumpyDog]

I would like to see a dreadnought whose only cargo is 88,000 rancors. And they should all be wearing silly hats. For science.

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Lol then Thrawn walks in, leaves having lost all hope in our species

[@CaptainLumpyDog]

MetaNerdz Lore We've had a good run.

[@ravenknight4876]

Dropping them on a target as some kind of frontal assault/Shock unit would probably get you good results. At least if collateral damage is obsolete to you.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

+Raven Knight We're the Empire, of course Collateral Damage doesn't matter.

[@e.v4892]

**Empire of the Hand intensifies**

[@srippy1703]

But instead of 1 a-wing that crashes into the bridge making the whole ship crashed, now it takes 4 a-wings to crash the damn thing

[@nathan.w9906]

Kringle they said it was smaller than the executor. So still one A-wing

[@srippy1703]

Nathan .w well at least you go the reference xD

[@nathan.w9906]

Kringle this is a Star Wars video of course I got the reference

[@02091992able]

Well the Executor was in the middle of maneuvering when the A-Wing crashed into the bridge which killed the command crew including the ones that run the navigation of the SSD, think of it in the real world as the ship has had its steering gear jammed all the way to one side but on a much more massive scale the Executor was far too close to the Death Star to be able to recover before it crashed into it and was destroyed.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

Ya that pyramid structure looks pretty damn tough😎

[@raghuvarv]

If I was ruler of the Galactic Empire, I wouldn't have given the green light to any ships larger than the Bellator. And whatever genius decided to remove the point defence lasers on the Imperial II-class would be put to death.

[@LordVader5738]

Raghuvar Vasudev You sure would be an empowering Emperor lol I agree with you though.

[@2MeterLP]

"What threats are we facing?" "Barely any capital ships and mostly fighters, sir!" "Scrap the point defense, WE NEED HUGE GUNS!" "...what?"

[@cmdr_krabov]

It was the same guy from Kuat who removed point defense lasers and 2/3 of cargo capacity from Acclamator II, while simultaneously increasing its crew to 20 000. He must be sabotour working for those separatist and later rebel scum!

[@raghuvarv]

Such genius. Much innovation. Wow.

[@raghuvarv]

Take that genius to an Acclamator II. Put him in an escape pod. Shoot the escape pod out of the ship. Let the turbolaser gunners have some target practice. Funny thing: Vader killed a traitorous admiral in this manner in the Tarkin novel. I enjoyed that bit so much.

[@insmk23]

Fun fact: The reason the ship's tip looks the way it does is that the original design for the Assertor had incorporated a lighter version of the Death Star's weapon. The Eclipse filled that role later on though and they figured there was no reason for both to have that weapon. Lorewise it does not possess the same firepower, but the ship has retained its old model.

[@companyoflosers]

kinda wonder what thrawn would be like as a ruler in peace time. hes smart enough to know ruling through fear is a flawed approach. he points out as much several times, however still follows orders loyally. so were he in palpatine;s position, what sort of ruler would he be, i wonder?

[@bobyork6248]

that is an Excellent question, one that will likely never be answered, unfortunately

[@JFNelson18]

Shakes fist a Rhukh.

[@Tharivole]

Considering on his own ships he was known for fair leadership, rewarding merit, and appropriate punishment for mistakes, he'd probably do exceptionally well during peacetime.

[@Darkcerve]

It's likely he'd set up some sort of stratocracy or similar citizens republic sort of system mayhaps. Would be interesting to explore.

[@dodivid2928]

He'd probably set it up in a mostly Chiss way.

[@ARC9652]

"You humans never stop confusing me" -Thrawn

[@e.v4892]

Or the Rebels were given star-system-worths of plot armor in the form of the Force, powerful entities who use the Force, or literally black hole tentacle space whales.

[@comethiburs2326]

honestly if the whole story was realistic, the empire would be struggling to push like the us army in afganistan/irak. why? because the rebels would use Kinetic Kill Vehicles, docked on light ships and thrown at lightspeed against battleships by thoushands.... That would be the space age equivalent of IED's. like the IED's, the KKV's would cost a fraction of what a battleship costs, and even if they fail to destroy, the damage caused to the exposed structures would be enough to CK the ship hit, especially if the hit is around the deck and the engine bay, which are notoriously exposed. should be space what we know, even the fragments of the projectiles would cause massive shrapnel damage inside the shields, since they are non energetic, possibly dumbfire rockets with a hyperdrive and high mass solid core heads....

[@comethiburs2326]

i'd like a quote on that, because i have this old story where a battleship went into a planet at lightspeed and blew it up.

[@johnwolverton48]

Hah blue brain go brrrr

[@EllAntares]

@@comethiburs2326 There was something about that ships could not go at hyperspeed within gravity well related to Roche radius, they would bounce off an obstacle. An there are technical measures to punch any ship out of hyperspace. But in fact former Republic, now Empire was stretched thin after war with Federation even while having extensive industry taken from federation and clone makers (Coruscant's whole f**ing moon was turned into a factory for new troops). But main reason why rebels weren't crushed that they gained some head start and liberated artificial Corellian system which had a local immobile station able destroy fleets or teleport planets. And as Timothy played it out as Empire indeed was struggling with Afgan\Chechnya-like situation (was written exactly in that time and we owe him the whole political scheme of old EU ).

[@BoisegangGaming]

"Our ship needs more protection." "Maybe we should put the shield generators inside the hull?" "Don't be silly. Just slap on a bunch more."

[@MetaNerdzLore]

That made me lol for real

[@LAV-III]

Boisegang yeah it's not like some one is going to shoot them or somthing

[@georgeofhamilton]

Those aren't shield generators.

[@ManuEreve]

At least the Rebel Alliance had that figured out on their capital ships xD

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Oh and add a couple more exhaust plorts for good measure.

[@NumericChaff]

Screw the death star, build a bunch of these!

[@insertmemorableusernameher6795]

The terrorists would have fun

[@timsmith618]

But Thrawn's rule, so for every one of these it would be better to build an equivalent number of Imperial-class SD's.

[@misterbeach8826]

it's really pointless to discuss or think about any imperial or star wars naval or military tactics or risks, because star wars does not care. the empire has probably by far the worst military command and strategies in history. so, thrawn, in all his intelligence, decided to do the biggest naval mistake known by building an even bigger ship after so many naval failures of the empire? he was more the dumbest military leader ever existed, the same as moff tarkin, darth vader or the emperor anyway. or, well, thrawn only did it because it looks better and the writers are the dumbest in the world, who knows...

[@imperialsecuritybureau6037]

Agreed. With the resources it took to build the Death Star, about 77,000 of these could have been built, or 31 million ISDs. Better yet, 15.5 million ISDs and 38,500 of these! It would be a bit overkill though. You don’t need that many Assertors. The problem with this idea is that those ships would require a LOT more people to man them - and that equates to a whole lot more training and salaries. 31 million ISDs would need about 1.24 trillion people, as opposed to around a million times less people to crew the DS1.

[@Bingos90]

Well i would just destroy it by HYPERDRIVE RAMMING with my mon cal cruiser

[@26th_Primarch]

It would suck to be on foot patrol on that ship...

[@georgeofhamilton]

Why? You'd be walking pretty much the same amount as on any other ship.

[@sugdolomar]

Christian Blanchard imagine foot patrol on the supremacy.

[@TheComradeBritish]

They've probably got little monorails on board, probably running along the ships spine.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I imagine some of these vessels are so large, you could be stationed on it your entire military career and only ever see a quarter of it. Imagine, let's take a vacation to C deck, I've never been.

[@정수-n8c]

The C haha College Humor originals??

[@Director_Orson_Krennic]

Aah, finally - a design with superfiring weapons emplacements. Superfiring cannons being cannons placed so one gun is placed higher than another, allowing one to aim and fire over another. An innovation that was made om Earth in the end of the Dreadnought-designed battleships, but one very rarely found in Star Wars for some reason

[@aurorathearcticwolf4243]

Only 1 reason logical (broadside battles

[@bobyork6248]

a fact that annoys the hell outta me TBH

[@Director_Orson_Krennic]

Bob York honestly, same

[@PaiSAMSEN]

The original designer intended the ship to fix the flaw of the Super Star Destroyer, so it got some simple solution that seem to be missing from at least half of Star Wars design. The original design even include a mini superlaser spinally-mounted through the ship's bow.

[@johnpatz8395]

That's why you don't look to Hollywood to sel ct military strategy and systems, as they don't have any idea of what they are doing when it comes to these things, well okay most things besides appearance. That is why we actually got the shot of the A wing taking down an executor, they wanted to mirror a pilot of a WW2 bomber being killed and slumping forward onto the controls, but it doesnt work that way on ships, but it looked awesome which is all they cared about.

[@medicman1118]

Seeing Fractalsponges designs in canon was cool. He did make (at least updated anyway) my personal favorite SD, the Secutor Class.

[@user-Jay178]

This ship still gets destroyed by rebels in someway. Great video

[@JerichoYeet]

Simply The Bridge cause that is still sticking out like a sore thumb on that Star Dreadnought, my dude. Why dose Kuat Driveyard always exposed the Star Destroyers control Bridge. Just. WHY?

[@datkat2001]

Habiib Abu Bakar They don’t but like 99% of the time they do, I guess it’s cheaper to do that then hiding it.

[@VioletEverlasting]

theres always a backup bridge on every Star Destroyer

[@corwinhyatt519]

Focused Ion cannon shots to the reactor bulge would destabilize its power system. Follow up with a few capital grade missiles or torpedoes to the same section and it is toast. Wouldn't be easy to do, but it is possible.

[@janossos8620]

Built two of them. One stolen/hijacked by the Rebels. Why built your own SSD, just stole one...In legends, even in new Canon have such events. The other one simply borrowed by Thrawn itshelf...Welcome to the galaxy, vongs!-...But admiral, you hate the SSD idea! Why?- OK, but every tiny, fancy dressed 20 year old japaniese anime hero have a battleship LOOKING battleship with a superwepon... I need one! Also, what about to revive the Dark Trooper projects...Everybody have a Space Marine, we have none...real weapons to the infantry!- Ow..., other orders, Grand Admiral?- Yes, remember Vulture Droids? What about a TIE Defender, acting as a walker platform? Maybe an SSD, armed with a superlaser, shape-shiftting into a giant robot...I am so creative today..."

[@johnbuczkowski5628]

Thrawn would be my number 1 man for operating my military.

[@DanteYuy]

And there is your issue. What you don't understand is that the loss of those 300-400 ships to make one ship means you are in 300-400 less places than you would have been. Thrawn was all about economy of firepower and ability to react to multiple threats in multiple locations quickly and efficiency. Star Dreadnoughts spit in the face of this because while yes, they can roflstomp everything in one area, but what happens if assets are needed in 20-30 areas while it is roflstomping just that one? And therein lies Thrawn's arguments for a lighter, more mobile fleet. Against an asymmetric enemy like the rebellion, Star Dreadnoughts were a useless white elephant that were largely avoided by the more mobile rebels, to the detriment of the Empire that invested poorly into those larger ships that could have been spent on star destroyers and their support ships.

[@user-vh6gs7kn8o]

Man that is a THICK space warship

[@detectivepayne3773]

Timbit u mean THICC

[@xxvaltielxx1789]

I love Fractal's designs, he's improvement to the ships is impressive, specially his original work.

[@markkraske3025]

_Assertor_-class Star Dreadnought Manufacturer: Kuat Drive Yards Cost: 1,100,000,000 credits Hyperdrive: Primary Class 2, Backup Class 12 Navicomputer: Equipped Armament: Twenty port and twenty starboard quad heavy turbolaser batteries; Fifteen port and fifteen starboard quad battleship ion cannon batteries; Ten dorsal twin heavy turbolasers; Ten forward, ten port, and ten starboard quad light turbolaser batteries Crew: 125,000 Passengers: 20,000 Cargo Capacity: 145,000 Consumables: 3 years Complement: 120 starfighters, numerous shuttles, landing craft, gunboats, assault craft, landing barges, ground combat vehicles, and AT-series walkers SOURCE: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Assertor-class_Star_Dreadnought

[@AlexinCobra]

Thrawn is entitled to his opinion as any general and tactical leader have their own tactical preference, but he is contradicting himself when it comes to defeating the future threat to the galaxy, the Yuuzhan Vong. The emperor had foreseen a future threat to the galaxy from the unknown regions. That is why he was set to building the super weapons like the Death Star and SSD's. It has shown in Legends, that the regular capital ships or the Galactic Alliance could not withstand the Yuuzhan Vong's onslaught. It took the heavy capital ships like the Executor Star Dreadnoughts and the Viscount Star Dreadnoughts to defend well against the Vong. I thought Thrawn was good at studying other forces? Yeah, you don't need them to keep systems in line but you do need them for extra galactic defense. The Executor going down because an A-wing was pure plot armor and was re-explained that the whole fleet had worn down it's shields before a concert of fighter attacks on the bridge and it's engines. Remember, it took more than 20 bombs from planes to sink the Yamato, the Earth's super battleship of the sea, not some kamakaze crash.

[@AlexinCobra]

Right, and most sea worthy battleships in WW2 had a battle bridge which was at the base of the tower behind the main battery turret, depending on the ship class. The Iowa Class had battle bridge right inside the main bridge. I was an enclosed room in the back of the main bridge. They were heavily armored just like a main battery turret so main gun shells couldn't easily go through. The Executor should have had such a room because it was a symbol of power, just like all battleships, but George Lucas never joined the military or bothered studying military tactics before making Return of the Jedi. Empire Strikes Back is my all time favorite because it showed the ship as an unstoppable juggernaut, weathering an asteroid field while other star destroyer get their whole bridge obliterated. Yet in Return of the Jedi, one small A-wing can do all that damage while an asteroid can't ? That is why plot armor is stupid.

[@VestedUTuber]

I actually see Thrawn not necessarily approving of the Assertor, but not having as many issues with it as he would with the Executor or Eclipse. Reason being that for a ship its size, the Assertor is decently well-designed. Its weapons are far better placed than those of the Executor, it doesn't have the vulnerable underside of other Imperial dreadnoughts and it doesn't suffer from trench run syndrome nearly as much. Basically, if Thrawn was forced to choose a 10km+ super dreadnought, I think he'd pick the Assertor over any of the other classes, even if he'd rather not pick any of them in the first place.

[@erichelton786]

Great Vid! 120 starfighters seems really low considering an Imperial2 carried 60 - maybe they were able to incorporate bathrooms and that's what takes up the extra space . . . .???

[@jaelawrence6924]

YAY bathrooms!!!!

[@insertmemorableusernameher6795]

"So you wont have to worry about shooting your own ship" tell that to lego space designers

[@LuisSilva-rai]

Isn't the Assertor the star-dreadnought that has supposed to have a mini super-laser, but it didn't make it to canon? Note: No, I am not talking about the Soveriegn.

[@rebelscum3900]

Lukus Forbes should have told that to the suncrusher

[@chrissonofpear3657]

I suspect the dreadnought Aurora from the Essential Guide to Warfare was also mean't to be one of these ships.

[@macrebel8068]

Are you talking about the conqueror?

[@carltonleboss]

@Lukus Forbes Tell that to the Xyston-class

[@paulbritt5443]

I’m just glad to see a star destroyer that actually has weapons on its ventral side

[@moffxanatos6376]

Thing is the Assertor is designed in such a way that no small ship, no matter how skilled its crew, could possibly destroy it. The Assertor is worth every credit and then some.

[@alexanderwilkins1505]

Agreed!

[@alexstambaugh6328]

When ships are so big you use Imperial II class Star Destroyers as a system of measurement. Well then >:)

[@NuclearSynthetics]

You deserve way more than 59k subscribers

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Lol don't worry we're working on it, likes, shares, comments and all that are the best way to help, but we grow a little bit everyday

[@NuclearSynthetics]

Amen

[@ratbat1072]

you know what we need more of an a star destroyer? Guns

[@duaneclarence8758]

Ratbat 1986 especially point defense anti-starfighter cannons. People in the Star Wars universe always lose ships to fighters.

[@ericgeodasher]

i really love your Videos! you are the most informative youtuber about facts of star wars ships and vehicles and u mention so many details wich the most people never heard of it and. and even behind the scenes stuff. and remember dont stop videos like this and may the force be with you, always!

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Thanks man that really is awesome to read, these vids take a long time to make and the more points you make the more you expose yourself to trolls that want to fight everything you say, so it is awesome to see the vast majority of people appreciate the vids. Thanks and make sure to tell even the bigger youtubers I'm sure they will see it even if they don't respond

[@ericgeodasher]

MetaNerdz Lore the force will lead the bigger youtuber to you and i lead the force to them. ;) and thx for the heart

[@admiralhuzky]

I would use it as my planetary defence fleets command ship

[@DanteYuy]

Sector Command and major planet defense command ships. Honestly, if I had to be stuck with star dreadnoughts, my command ships would likely revolve around Asserters, while I would use Bellators as rapid response fleet flagships, meant to react to any major threat quickly and with enough firepower to win. The other SSDs, like the Executor, Vengeance, Sovereign, and Eclipse I would rather scrap simply because they are not efficient designs

[@matthewwilson5019]

@@DanteYuy or use them as carriers from a far

[@jho-ld1yn]

Now that’s one big ship.

[@alexandergontier7332]

this reminds me the mighty yamato...

[@glitchymariostar6495]

I want one SO HARD. This ship is the most amazing thing I saw in Sci-Fic. Screw the Executor and the Death Star, build more of these. Something you didn’t mention is that it has a light Superlaser at the front.

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Yeah that laser part got changed when it became official

[@glitchymariostar6495]

Oh yeah it also have gravity walls generators

[@jho-ld1yn]

One of my favorite warships,to be sure.If I were a warlord post-Endor,I’d certainly pick this ship as my flagship.

[@DariusVladimirAuditore]

I personally think that the Assertor is one of the more smart designs when it comes to Star Destroyers since it is actually well armed and suited to protect most of the classical Star Destroyer weak spots, like the underside or the trench in the middle. Even the raised bridge is somewhat better protected than other Star Destroyers and the superstructure is the middle looks sturdy enough. Also, unlike the Executor, this doesn't have the "cityscape" running through the middle of the ship and it looks like most of it's surface is heavily armored than other Star Destroyers. Personally, I would pick this between this and the Executor when it comes to smart design.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

This is a much better weapons layout then any other "SUPER" SD. It also has multiple layers of shields which is one of the bigger weakpoints of SD designs.

[@Vitaosu]

Plz make a video about the bellator ssd

[@jaymikevillanueva1212]

Compared to the Death Star, I think an Asserter Star Dreadnaught is a far better and less costly alternative. You always need to have a biggest stick available if you're gonna get in fleet engagements. If I was an Imperial flag officer (a Grand Admiral or even a lesser ranked flag rank such as a High Admiral or Fleet Admiral), having an Asserter Star Dreadnaught, 2 Bellators with Venator and Victory Star Destroyer escorts as pursuit units, a few ISD Mk. IIs and almost a dozen gunships are all I'd need to bring a fight to any enemy fleet. Having TIE Defenders, Skiprays, and huge swarms of TIEs (it'd be nice if I could at least outfit each one with shields) could effectively nullify an enemy's snubfighter screen. Thrawn, even if he isn't a fan of Star Dreadnaught concept, could at least appreciate the level of firepower and intimidation a fleet like I mentioned would bring if it's in the hands of a very competent commander. Even Thrawn would excel in using a fleet this.

[@jeffersonmetzen9866]

So I did some math comparing a super star destroyer length to how many U.S carriers using rough numbers, granted there is other factors to consider but generally speaking if you are just talking about the crew compliment comparing the number of US cariers vs how big any of these imperial starships are you start noticing that the crews on these starships seem to be overmanned by a lot. Which I didn't take the overall volume into check but with how advanced AI is in the star wars universe I feel like the Empire commits way too many human recourses to these ships. I agree with Thrawn that the empire needs to cut back a bit because they coud accomplish a lot more.

[@AvantiHalfhorse]

It does seem that perhaps this ship wasn't necessarily intended for offensive action, but to serve as a mobile command base for a sector. (Of course it's mentioned in the video, but perhaps there's other proof and reasoning.) The concept of a mobile command base does remove (or at least reduce) the possibility of a fleet attack as such fleet manoeuvres are visible and obvious (loose lips sink ships afterall). A fixed base may allow entrenchment, but such battles can become expensive for all involved. Mobile command bases make attacks more difficult as catching such a ship would require either envelopment tactics (meaning each avenue of retreat requires an attack fleet capable of intercepting and destroying said retreating fleet, another expensive tactic) or engaging in hyperspace chases (giving the enemy the advantage of changing the strategic landscape rather rapidly on you). The other advantage of a sector command ship versus a base, especially in recently conquered yet not necessarily pacified territory is that the ship has limited avenues of access (limiting the possibility of a surprise attack from within) and the ship brings with it all the equipment and trained personnel it needs to perform its role from the outset (no construction and training time, reducing opportunities for construction espionage and sabotage, no material transportation). You would avoid all direct combat with this ship, saving it for planetary bombardment (when the enemy fleet has been driven or destroyed in a system) or for defensive reinforcements where additional support is required. The large number of ion cannons screams that this ship would only ever stick to a fight when it can command a severe superiority, otherwise, it's just going to make the life of any attacking fleet hell by disabling as much of the pursuing fleet as possible as it plots its retreat.

[@ZeroTwo-gd5nq]

I like the ship because it is actually properly armed on the central side rather than focusing all the weapons on the dorsal side. However I do agree it is way too massive and I too would prefer a much smaller variant with much less crew perhaps having much of its functions automated by computers.

[@LoneWolf20213]

and the fact the Bellator is a faster ship, and since it's smaller, but fill's a good role in the battlefield, I would choose it have this dreadnaught because of convenience, except if it's acting as a command ship, they I would use it, and that should be rarely

[@maxout214226]

120 fighters? Nimitz class super carriers near have that IRL...

[@platiuscyndar9017]

That's a dedicated carrier though. (Still odd.)

[@taylorh.3484]

You gave me an idea for ship modifications. Imagine hundreds or thousands of magnetic hard points on the outside of star dreadnoughts occupied fighters could be attacked. No need for launch bays. Once the hyperspace jump is completed, the waves of fighters would detach and overwhelm the targets.

[@lenkagamine4145]

@@taylorh.3484 Vulture droids just stand on the outside of CIS ships in large numbers, not taking up any internal space. So the CIS basically are already doing that.

[@protorhinocerator142]

Thrawn was right, of course. Big weapons make for big targets. It would be better to find a way to link or synchronize 20 normal sized star destroyers together to have the same effect on a planet as would a death star. If there's a rebel attack, 3-4 of them could break off the planet destruction and take out the rebel threat while the other 16-17 keep bombarding the planet with deadly sky beams. Thus there is a logical limit for capital ships. You want them to be big enough and powerful enough to face any threat with ease, but not so OP that they become an instant priority for every enemy to unite against. 12 star destroyers? Better stay out of their way. A death star? Must... destroy... now... A death star is really only good for three things. 1. Obliterating a planet. 2. The fear of obliterating a planet. 3. Uniting everyone against it. If it takes 20 star destroyers combined to form the equivalent of a death star, then the rebels could keep making minor attacks here and there to keep the Imperial forces divided so that there's never a good time for 20 star destroyers to be in the same place. Keep them dispersed. But if it's a death star, the only way to disperse it is to destroy it. Everyone unites against it. And of course this all goes right out the window if you allow the Holdo Maneuver to exist as canon. Just take another Millennium Falcon and ram the death star at hyper speed. One pilot dies to save billions. Or teach a droid to fly and sacrifice the droid. No big loss. The Holdo Maneuver is just too big of a plot flaw to allow. None of the space battles make any sense if you can do that. And considering how little respect the Empire (or the First Order) had for life, why didn't they use the Holdo Maneuver against Admiral Holdo's ship at the beginning of the movie? That would have saved a lot of trouble. And it wasn't even original. In Star Trek TNG when the Borg cube had assimilated Captain Picard, and had made it the whole way to Earth, Captain Riker plotted a course directly at the Borg cube at warp factor 1. That would have done the same thing as the Holo Maneuver if Commander Data hadn't come up with a better plan before they could engage their engines. It sure looked really cool for about 5 seconds, but the Holdo Maneuver ruined the logic behind the rest of the franchise.

[@tennoshenaniganizer9234]

This has to be one of my favourite Star Wars Dreadnoughts, alongside the Viscount

[@awesomeness1941]

Another legendary video Love your videos.

[@MetaNerdzLore]

thanks glad to get positive feedback, I'll keep em coming~

[@mrmarvin9916]

MetaNerdz Lore Can you do a video about the Bellator-class? I love the design of the ship but don't know much about it

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Yeah definitely gonna get to it

[@yomaster12345]

Something that big could dock fuckin Star Destroyers itself. It could carry it's own escort with it if designed differently.

[@nathanshkopiak9060]

Its really cool to see that a fan made ship became apart of the star wars universe, sadly, we probably will never see something like this happen again

[@TheNecromancer6666]

Nathan Shkopiak Fractalsponge has Multiple ships if his, that are now Canon. Like the Vigil, the Bellator.....

[@thatgamingtitan]

I think its great that the engineers made all the guns be able to fire forward. But then again nothing is covering the engines. Great vid on a thicc ship my dude

[@michaellemasters7173]

The thing I find interesting about Star Wars ships is the engines. Bigger ships have larger or more engines yet, in space, smaller ships with smaller or less engines still fly at a faster speed than the larger ships, despite the fact that the same thrust and weight dynamics on a planet to not apply to space. Large ships with large engines/engine arrays should be faster than ships like the millennium falcon but they aren’t due to size requiring more thrust even in the vacuum of space.

[@dimitris2936]

I was reading the wiki and apparently it has OCTUPLE turbo blaster batteries, that would look freaking ridiculous

[@DocRob23]

I think the Assertor should have been the max size of ship created. Its perfect for command and fleet engagements, and you could post one to every major fleet, to coordinate forces and serve in heavy battles. I also love how well covered the bridge is for this ship. Making a tower run on that thing looks like suicide.

[@LoneWolf20213]

Now we need stats on the bellator class star destroyer I know a lot of you thought of that when you saw this

[@JoshDrakePendora]

Uh hope you know the Mandator isn’t half the size of an assertor, though it does depend on the the Mandator specifically, the mandator 2 is 19km long same as the executor, so may want to specify next time, btw for those going to mention “oh but this wiki only has it at 8km” those have been disproven and are pending changes, and more wikis have it listed as 19km and have sources actually cited on the page

[@NoctemYTUBE]

Imagine driving a car on that thing looking for a relative, just like “oh yeah I’m near the command bridge and a few blocks left”

[@toasteroven6761]

"And if that don't work..." "...Use more gun" -Said some guy with 11 PHDs.

[@synrhet1cgod702]

1 - does it have sufficient dakka 2 - yes 1 - then add more dakka 2 - but we have enou 1 - THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS ENOUGH DAKKA!!!!

[@purplefood1]

Thrawn was a smart guy, a larger number of smaller ships working in concert can be far more effective than a single monstrous vessel.

[@yeet_ma_heat]

i just love it how you compare nearly every ship to the zillo beast, like "this ship is as long as 155 zillo beasts or something"

[@Mikosah]

You really just need a few ingredients to make ships of this size class practical- a solid point defense system, a healthy supply of TIE interceptors, corvettes and frigates to screen against hostile fighters, and the rebels not having such a ridiculously high amount of plot armor.

[@darthzoon26]

If you have a Bellator or two as it’s guards and a couple of Secutors loaded with Tie Phantoms and Aggressors behind them,it will make well for a fleet.

[@dodivid2928]

these types of fleets won't be destroyed through pure firepower, but inside jobs. For example, the New Republic could undertake a year long operation of moving spies into the fleet, who will then sabotage everything in sight, while the New Republic overwhelms them through sheer numbers and superiour star fghters

[@darthzoon26]

Dod Ivid Very true indeed

[@parminderjaura5642]

That size is insane, imagine the mantles approach

[@Nixonitus]

Speaking for my running of various space-strategy games, I much prefer massive superships, because, I don't have to manage a thousand little ships moving all over the damn place. Especially when it comes to repairs. Can't repair a thousand tiny ships. Too lazy. Give me one, large ship, that might be a bit worse, and I can patch it up with one single command. In the real world, though, I'd definitely agree with Thrawn

[@Deamon93IT]

The Assertor is a tough little cookie to break relative to the Executor, due to the sheer amount of weapon emplacements. With this said, as far as I recall, she still has a lackluster point defence system, leaving her vulnerable to yoloing A-wings. I think the largest ships Thrawn would consider acceptable are the Bellator and the Secutor: the former because she is fairly flexible for a ship of that size while the latter because she would be able to carry a lot of TIE Defenders, potentially enough to smash most rebel scums by themselves.

[@kennooo535]

Kuat: How many cannons do you want Empire: *yes*

[@Tracer_Krieg]

What makes any Super Star Destroyer, or any large Battleship from our history work, is fleet support. You need to surround your massive ships with a screen of large, medium and small ships to cover each and every firing degrees and engagement zones. This is typically why the Empire loses SSD's to begin with as they don't properly support their ships. What makes a SSD so effective beyond its psychological impact is the sheer firepower and force multiplication it bring. It can bring its superior arsenal to bare on a target and with the support of the fleet, destroy that target in very timely manner and then move on to the next target. And while being a bigger target can be a disadvantage, it can also be an advantage as well. See, if everybody focuses on shooting the big thing, they'll ignore everything else. Couple this with powerful shielding, and your SSD can draw the fire of an enemy fleet, shield its own fleet, and then return fire with interest while being supported by its own fleet. However, this can only be done if you properly support it in the first place!

[@Ragnarok6664]

Fractal spoonge is such a treasure

[@IshijimaKairo]

This is worth dropping my phone on bathroom tiles again.

[@Legionzzzz1]

It's kind of ironic when you think about it given that there was an executor class super star destroyer that survived not only the galactic civil war but the war between the new republic and imperial remnant and the vong war and was still in active service into the legacy era which was a 100 years after the battle of yavin. So that giant ship survived longer then he and his rule did but then the irony in that is that the new republic adopted his rule. Having smaller ships and medium sized multi-role ships is good and all but it does help to have a battleship/dreadnought or two to help because they can turn the tide of a battle especially when strategy isn't enough. Plus Thrawn is the exception not the rule his strategic genius was so great that if was often thought that he had the ability of foresight, most generals in any franchise could only hope to be at that level.

[@magicman1398]

A big ship needs a fleet of support ships and fighters.

[@decimatorentertainmentstud8523]

That's so huge! What a mighty vessel

[@TruePacifist201]

You could say that this ship has a *staggering* amount of firepower.

[@johnbuczkowski5628]

I would this as my command ship

[@ObsidianAngiris]

Whenever I've done fantasy ship battles it's always this vessel I use

[@fernandomiguelez2541]

Great job, LOVE your videos Please profundity rebel ship hello from Spain

[@MetaNerdzLore]

MetaNerdz international! That's so cool glad you like the vids

[@obsidianempire9636]

I want one no matter what anyone says

[@Arashmickey]

It never ceases to amaze how much they can carry. I don't care what Thrawn says, I think deploying 80.000 rancors into a rebellious mob is a very artistic deterrent.

[@johnrossman6679]

I can't even imagine the logistics of keeping one of these going. Food, pay, all the supplies and materials needed to keep it running.

[@EE-fk1rp]

This looks like an up scaled bellator man i love the bellator

[@lordforg8697]

The problem with lots of smaller craft is that they are individually less powerful, thus have a higher risk of the crew dying, and a dead crew means 1 less ship in your fleet, and crew are the life blood of a navy, so breaking the Thrawn rule now and then is fine, as long as it has a complement of ships that can make up the weak points, Not saying many smaller ships aren bad, because they are great but, am not pretending that it doesn’t have its flaws

[@KertaDrake]

It's like the designer just went nuts with the copy and paste tool while working on a Star Destroyer's schematics.

[@neurocell159]

Thank you for pronouncing Executor like executioner. I know that that word can be pronounced either that way or similar to the word executive, but the Empire was never shy about their ship names, and pronouncing it as you did would be a reminder to all star systems that Vader's SSD had one role and people better avoid it.

[@Cortanis001]

I'd love to know why they continue with that exposed bridge thing.

[@jerrycorrea5974]

7:01 That picture is in my 7th grade history book!

[@jdlech]

So you fire off 20 million breeching pods all in one wave. You now have an enormous ship in your navy.

[@patrickstewart3446]

The Imperial weapons development program is based upon what an 8 year-old boy would think was awesome. :)

[@KellingtonDorkswafer]

3:27 IT CAN HOLD 87,879 RANCORS!?! Weight wise. Just imagine General Veers riding a Rancor into battle with 87,878 other Imperial Rancor Riders behind him. Way more psychologically intimidating than the AT-AT...

[@dreamingflurry2729]

I agree with Thrawn - give me a good, mixed, fleet (why mixed? So that I can have Lancer-Frigates to take care of pesky starfighters!) with normal Star Destroyers and escorts (and no Die-Fighters! I want X-Wings instead!) instead of one super massive ship only escorted by other Star Destroyers (which can't hit a starfighter because they lack point defenses!) ps: I also want freaking Interdictors :) (no fleet is IMHO complete without them!) and Star Destroyers like the Conqueror (an ISD with a superlaser to crack planets (not outright destroy them, it isn't that powerful), assault bases with planetary shields (sorry Rebell-Base, your shield and Ion-Cannon will not save you, and no jumping away either!) and crack capital ships :) )

[@davisjosephpereiraumana4511]

Whoa, that ship's intimidating! I wouldn't want to mess with it if I was a starfighter pilot.

[@SEAL_Meme_6]

This ship is another reason why the Empire should have listened to Thrawn more often.

[@Koenshakuable]

thanks to the great minds over at mucusfilms, the destruction of starkiller base garnered the galactic wide reaction of rolling over and going back to sleep. blowing up hosnian prime was equivalent to hitting the snooze button.. YYYAAAAAAAWN.... are you sure this is star wars star wars? told ya we shoulda made a right turn back at Albuquerque... thanks for the content... to be honest, i think your channel is the only one that doesn't remind me how bad the last three years of all things star wars has been. love ya man!

[@MetaNerdzLore]

Lol well I'm glad I could help

[@cmdr_krabov]

Last 3 years were not that bad: Rogue One and Solo

[@ThatDragonGuy]

Get the fuck out of here. You're such a whiney little brat

[@MobiusLeader007]

TreeckotheRebel ...and they say the EU side is the toxic one. You should take a good look in the mirror buddy.

[@ThatDragonGuy]

Except he IS acting like a brat, "mucusfilm" a mature Adult would never say and actually respect the company.

[@echosdatacore2056]

If I was a Imperial Grand Admiral, I would want to have more Bellator-Class Star Dreadnoughts, or even better yet, Superlaser Star Destroyers.

[@redalertiscool5172]

you mean target practice for Biplanes? =)

[@maxilos1987]

weapons weapons and more weapons i feel like this ship is an overkill argument to the line "if at 1st you dont succeed get a bigger hammer"

[@charlieni645]

Nah, I'm sure a sole X-Wing can disable it.

[@JerichoYeet]

倪传历 Or an A-wing kamikaze into the dreadnought control Bridge, then it's game over.

[@JerichoYeet]

Valters Plūme Oh ive been waiting for someone to say this. There is an Exposed Bridge, look closely on the center top of the Star destroyer. A bridge can be seen. Its slightly against the surface tho, but still be seen.

[@JerichoYeet]

Valters Plūme Yeah, buy still can get rammed by any Starfighter if they have a good, clear aim. Beside, Kuat Driveyards made really made bad decision on making a Star Destroyer or Dreadnaought placement for Control Bridge. At list the heavy class Resurrector Battleship made it right, not exposing the bridge at all. Except that ugly ass, pizza looking Dreadnaought that litrally have a wide exposing Control Bridge that was destroyed by some bomb bois and a single T95 X-Wing fighter. What a joke. If i ever come up with a bridge replacement or making a starship myself. I would but the control Bridge inside the ship, just like Halo. Or StarTrack. Total Warhammer 40K. And SpaceMarine.

[@Malamockq]

Why do any of them have exposed bridges. It's so stupid. I guess it was too much work for Lucas to actually think of a believable way to destroy any of these ships, so he just gave all of them a giant set of exposed testicles waiting to be kicked.

[@glitchymariostar6495]

I noticed a secondary command bridge, less exposed.

[@gimpsickle5806]

Now that would be an awesome display LEGO ucs set

[@incitossol]

I’ll take a fleet of Harrowers and Acclimator-1s please. This thing scream “Fly straight into my bridge”.

[@JerichoYeet]

Incitos Sol Lol

[@crgkevin6542]

Love that this fan design made it in to official lore! She has a bunch of the classic Star Wars ship design flaws solved, and as such is more practical than the likes of the SSD or Death Star. IMO, dreadnoughts still have a useful operational role, but just not as much of a psychological weapon so much as operating like a top of the line battleship. Granted, that's mainly if they're used in a more symmetrical warfare setting like the Jedi Civil War, Clone Wars, etc, rather than the Galactic Civil War that the Assertor class served in...

[@Snagabott]

"As it is nearly 10 times the size of the imperial class" Eh... you are aware that size works in three dimensions, right? If you scale up a ship from 1600m to 15000m with identical proportions, it gets 824 times larger.

[@justinh5382]

10 times the length/width then, smartarse

[@EllAntares]

@@justinh5382 ships measured by volume tho

[@grantt1589]

This and the belator would be the only dreadnought thrown might approve

[@gundam2jimmy]

I love this thing. Going with Fractal Sponges original stats.