Did We Buy The LAST Cheap Jeep?

[@TFLoffroad]

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[@tiffaninicole18]

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[@djkenny1202]

@@TFLoffroad being Stellantis, rare occasion where an extended warranty might be worth it.

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Tommy’s slowly turning into Roman before our eyes

[@Avery370Z]

I was thinking the same thing the sunglasses and long sleeve shirt with the rolled up is giving off major Roman vibes

[@SteifWood]

@@Avery370Z Ditto, and the contrast from 2(?) yrs ago on top of a wedding just made it more obvious. However, he's not the only one ... hahaha.

[@bryaneder603]

well he seems to be keeping his cheerful demeanor

[@Dankcatvacs]

Nah I'd say grampa

[@2151abell]

LOL.... your not kidding.. But... Thats not a bad thing !

[@charlienevergold3654]

That’s a $29k tops jeep. I remember when the Rubicon came out it was $41k and everyone thought that was crazy expensive. I would love a jeep but they are way over priced.

[@leandroflaherty]

2 issues. #1 government regulations forcing them to include a thousand nanny safety devices and emission complexity. #2, again gov money printing, in general and specifically the unnecessary covid lockdowns have devalued the dollar 100% and everything will forever cost 2x more than it did. 40k is the bew 20k. Obey.

[@Apoplectic_Spock]

My grandmother remembers when burgers were a dime.

[@Stackali]

yup. i remember when the rubicon was in the low to mid 40s and people thinking that was crazy expensive.

[@13ZONEZERO]

What, I paid 22,000 for my 04 rubicon, where are you getting 41k

[@Stackali]

@@13ZONEZERO for the 2012 and newer 4 door

[@lokerola]

$41,400 for a BASE model Wrangler?!?!?! 100% crazy. Jeep has lost it's mind.

[@jesspeinado480]

I wouldn't buy a jeep for over $30,000. That should be what the majority of jeeps are purchased for. As long as fools keep paying rip off prices the auto industry will continue to take advantage.

[@nicoledae99]

@@jesspeinado480 In August, I bought the 2024 off the lot, soft top base, hydroblue 2-door, manual 3.6v6, crank windows etc. for $26,500. So no... he DID NOT get the last "cheap jeep" I DID!! LOL

[@ryanmartinage]

@@nicoledae99 what state? Could you contact me with the dealer? Im looking for a similar deal in the price range.

[@danl7442]

Unfortunately, people will go into debt to still buy one...

[@chriscamero2874]

The auto is pretty expensive plus the hard top adds up.

[@klausschroiff4405]

Jeep's recent price increases have resulted in a total collapse here in Australia - from 30000 in 2014 to 4600 last year. It's just a matter of time until Jeep gives up here - in a market that is red hot for 4x4s ...

[@omardevonlittle3817]

No. They're jus making them for the masses anymore. Way more money in selling a third as many vehicles at double the price

[@rogerrussell9544]

Thank you for sharing that. Stellantis stock is tanking.

[@johnmathias4871]

@@rogerrussell9544 Its really too bad. The current management seems to think Jeep's customer base is a bunch of rich people. Maybe they aren't Americans and are used to super-high tariff's in their home country, so its distorted their image of who their customer base is???

[@rogerrussell9544]

@@johnmathias4871 The failed leadership at Stellantis seems to have gone after the LandRover crowed, the new models compete with Range Rover in reliability and service needs - not just the price.

[@northernidahooutdoors3748]

Literally nothing good has come out of Stellantis’s takeover.. Never thought I’d say this, but I wish Fiat still owned them!..

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

In 1989 I bought a base model Jeep Wrangler convertible 5 speed manual, with manual steering and a 2.5 l engine. I drove the car for over 30 years, 350,000 miles; the cost was $10,000.

[@rollyourownRandF]

and it'd only cost $5,000 to almost completely rebuild lol

[@wakeboarder9180]

I remember those being advertised in full page magazine ads in 4Wheel and Off-road magazine for $8995 (in 88 and 89). My dad bought one and it's currently in my garage with only 25k original miles. I did a power steering conversation but it's otherwise stock. Very fun to drive

[@arizona2010busch]

year 1991, bought a base jeep Wrangler 6 month old for 5500£, it ran and ran, sold it in 2001 to a French business man for 6000£.

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

@@rollyourownRandF Engine was never rebuilt. I only replaced the steering box (used) a couple of clutches and about 4-5 starters. Finally at about 325,000 miles the heater core needed to be replaced. Besides tires and a few batteries that was all it needed. Ended up trading it in on a new 2021 Cherokee Trailhawk (they gave me $1,000 dollars trade in).

[@jbandt]

$4500 for the auto seems like a rip off.

[@jesspeinado480]

When there's no other transmission available, it's not an option. It's a rip off.

[@rogerj412]

@@jesspeinado480 Jeep offers a manual as long as you get the V6 but good luck finding one on a lot not optioned with the auto.

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@rogerj412as of right now, nationwide, Autotrader lists 36,873 jeep wranglers for sale. Of those, 496 are manual. So yeah, that tracks. And if you filter by 2 door, that number drops to 169 manual transmissions nationwide.

[@289Mustang67]

@@rogerj412 Part of the reason vehicles are so expensive is because people buy what's on the lot instead of ordering a cheaper version. I saved thousands on my truck by ordering it without the features I didn't want or need.

[@jrs4ex]

What I don't get is that on the gladiator the 8 speed auto is a $2500 option, whereas on the Wrangler it's $4500.

[@titopapi45]

There's a crash test video where it showed the front wheel roll under the Jeep and caused the Jeep to flip before they added that bracket.

[@busydadscooking001]

so it's a wheel interceptor bracket? don't think a well designed suspension needs that ...

[@Black-Villain]

This would be really interesting to compare to a base 2 door Bronco

[@chriscamero2874]

....if they still made a base Bronco.

[@longshot197036]

I did and you can go on Ford's site and build one. It's looking like about $42,200. But just compare the options. One big thing is the Bronco 2dr is a longer vehicle to begin with... I would still like to see a real world comparison. To be honest the Bronco started out as a $29k vehicle in 2021... I have a '22 Bronco and am always curious about the Jeep comparisons.

[@chriscamero2874]

@@longshot197036 There's no base anymore, though. The lowest end Bronco is the Big Bend. There are numerous comparisons out there. The universal consensus is the Bronco is the better road car. But both are great in the dirt.

[@jessekuchinski1172]

No more base model. Dumb

[@djkenny1202]

@@longshot197036 it’s so expensive! A 28k base I can wrap my head around, not on a Bad Lands or or higher end option. I’m pretty Ticked!

[@NWI_Steel]

Push button start without keyless entry has to be one of the weirdest combos 😆

[@rl9810]

A cheap Jeep like this is made for people who drive with no top and the doors off.

[@evoemperor3776]

Not only that you'll have to carry that bulky key fob while opening the door. infact the old jeep jl sport had no push button start and keyless and you still have that big ass throwable weapon of a key.

[@henrikhkarpynskyi8712]

Softtop Jeep always had keyless entry. Because there is no point in locking it - it unzips.

[@TheEulerID]

Pushbutton starting costs essentially nothing to implement. Keyless entry requires solenoids, wiring and so on. So a cost cutting measure.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

For real 😂

[@ryt2carry]

Thanks for doing this series. I think you’re doing it exactly like a lot of people (me included) would build it out. Wheel it as is, then get some reasonable tires, then wheel it some more and find out what you need next. Great video.

[@johnmathias4871]

Back in 1989, I bought a Jeep YJ off the showroom floor. It was the "S" model and the back seat and a minimal use spare tire were extras, the regular tires were small-ish street tires and it had no radio, no speakers, no AC, the 2.5L 4cylinder with a 5 speed manual and a soft top. I spent a good amount of time wheeling that thing around my parent's house in norther California and was able to almost drive all the way to my parent's house in that huge snow storm in the early 1990's (I got stopped about 200 yards short when the snow was higher than the hood and I could only afford 1 set of snow chains.) Jeeps are very capable offroaders even in base trim.

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@johnmathias4871they absolutely are. That base wrangler tfl just bought with a small spacer lift and some good tires would do any 4 or 5 rated trail, easy.

[@27sport86]

Wrangler prices have gotten way out of hand over the last 5-6 years. They constantly increase the option prices including the automatic trans for $4500. And Stellantis wonders why their vehicles are piling up on dealer lots.

[@nunyabidness3075]

Yeah, a lot of these 2024 jeeps will be on the lots in 2026 at this rate.

[@northernidahooutdoors3748]

Along with everything else… Bidenomics for ya..

[@jrs4ex]

2025 the Jeep cold air intake option jumps from $595 to $1295! That's crazy money for an intake tube and a filter

[@sppd201]

That piece of steel in the passenger wheel well is to prevent the tire from entering the cabin in a front end collision. Crash testing was indicating that the tire was entering the foot well in a collison.

[@garyjarvis2730]

This is correct. If you look at a lot a vehicles they have added all kinds of bars and plates to pass the offset impact tests. Unless they are actually in the way it's best to leave them alone. An insurance company could use their removal as a reason to deny a claim.

[@AliensWanted]

I bought a 2023 Welfare Edition Jeep Wrangler Sport 2 door with the soft top. I even started a YT page (BasicJeepDude) and IG page (BasicJeepDude). I LOVE the base model much more than the upper trims. I wanted manual windows, manual locks, etc because those things won't break. It reminds me of the older Jeep models - I have fond memories of the older models.

[@jesspeinado480]

Is the $4500 automatic transmission really an option? Not when there's no other transmission available. The cheap jeep should be $30,000 out the door.

[@DayoftheJakeL]

I would think you’d be pretty close to that with a Softtop and a stick shift. There was a dealer in socal selling manual softtop gladiators for 26k last year

[@LukeEdward]

Getting a jeep with a FACTORY hardtop is a smart decision.

[@backwoodstherapy]

Yes. Ordering a hard top in the aftermarket is very expensive.

[@tarheel92x]

@@backwoodstherapy plus the wrangler is not wired for it if it does not come with it.

[@romeolongoria8730]

…said no real jeeper ever.” We’re a dying breed us soft toppers. Jeep is also one of those breeds.

[@LukeEdward]

@@romeolongoria8730 Dude. Come on. Any modern Jeeper knows that if you order it with the hard top, you save about $1500 in redoing the wiring, hardware and programming to get a hard top to work. I mean, you even have to pull your steering wheel and replace the stalk assembly. All me how I know.... Having a hard top is not an "It's a Jeep thing" argument.

[@LukeEdward]

@@backwoodstherapy the hard top is the least of your expenses, though...

[@whysitthat3515]

I always forget how nice the new Wranglers look in Blue

[@amazingjason455]

Compare this while stock with the best off road crossovers. Show us the difference.

[@Forthetimebeing72]

Bump

[@ryana9783]

I purchased a 2024 2 door Sport with the only option being the automatic transmission. Run it with the doors off in safari mode and love it. Way more unique than all the 4 door rubicons I see around town.

[@tylersrubar6451]

1. Poor Andre lol. Feel bad for ya. 2. $4500 for the automatic is highway robbery!!

[@chriscamero2874]

That was always so weird. No one charges that for an auto. No longer an issue since you can't get the V6 and auto for 2025.

[@Big.W.]

Andre’s the best

[@djkenny1202]

@@tylersrubar6451 that alone is make me just buy the manual. It’ll likely be less trouble, as well

[@americanrambler4972]

Looking forward to seeing Bill the wrangler on the channel! My suggestion? Stay small tires and just get off road knobby treads. Put some decent rock rails on it. Then go play. Next, add a sway bar disconnect kit. Now you’ve got a good anywhere Jeep that won’t beat you up in town. I found 3 cheap wranglers. $36,985. With v6 auto and soft top

[@knightwing4]

You guys should do a 2 door comparison with a 2 door Bronco and your Defender. All together off road. 😊

[@Spritsailor]

My 2016 Wrangler Sport was $23,500. The salesman, who was an Afghan vet, said all Wranglers are the same and anything you can get on the expensive models you can build much cheaper onto a Sport Wrangler just by purchases in the parts dept. I ordered mine through the dealer since they didn't have the color (Firecracker) I wanted. You can still order a base Jeep if the dealer doesn't have one. They take two weeks to get. I have the six speed stick and love it.

[@Kayakcarey]

Pentastar reliability? Have they solved the rocker arm failures, oil cooler leaks and early radiator failures?

[@mynameisphunk]

No. Gladiator groups are full of people with multiple engine failures before 100k (often dealing with top end issues well under 50k miles).

[@1985_Honda_CRX_Si]

lately theyve cut down on it, but they STILL have the issues

[@mattuw82]

It's not that the problems are fixed. It's that they're well documented, mechanics know how to fix them, parts are available, and owners are aware of them and budget for them. But no the Pentastar V6 is not reliable by modern standards.

[@jarrod797]

​@@mattuw82 last sentence yes, everything else, just stfu please make less sense lmfao

[@elizabethhopkins3826]

My parents had manual windows in their cars years ago. I am impressed that you bought a nice base model Jeep at an affordable price where you can customize it yourself. Best of luck with it.

[@BretteCaldwell]

Any new vehicle is not cheap anymore. That’s why I buy five years old at least. But I would take that jeep over a side by side with a cab that costs about the same any day.

[@Lunentucker]

I'm sure it's been mentioned by now, but none of them come with the engine covers since 2022, and yes, the rollover shield can be removed, but it's not exactly easy. You'll have to cut the bolts.

[@boffam00]

I recently bought a '24 Willys 2-door in Hydro Blue with the manual. If I could have found a Sport in that colour, I might have bought it. But I would really miss the heated seats and steering wheel, LED headlights, and power locks. The Willys package adds a lot to the sticker, but it is a pretty good value (Rubicon shocks, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, rock rails, rear locking diff, aux switches/trailer tow package, tall fenders). I don't plan on doing serious off-roading, so it is overkill for me, but it sure looks the business.

[@chriscamero2874]

Oh, cool. We have almost the identical Jeep but in an auto. Love the hydro blue. I couldn't find any 2 doors with a manual. How do you like the manual? We did drive a 4 door manual. I thought it was pretty good. It was weird that I had no place for my foot left of the clutch. But I think I could have gotten used to that. My wife wouldn't drive the manual though, so the auto works better for us so she will drive it.

[@boffam00]

@@chriscamero2874 the manual is fine! I owned a TJ and drove several JKs and the JL’s is much more precise and refined, albeit less mechanical. I got used to the lack of dead pedal pretty quickly. The knob feels weird, and heel-and-toe isn’t the easiest, but if I want a great manual experience I’ll hop into my Miata. Our Jeep was one of the small handful of manuals available in the province of Ontario, with the rest being black Sports.

[@chriscamero2874]

@@boffam00 Oh, you have a Miata? You are my god. Which generation do you have? I haven't taken the plunge yet into a Miata, but I do respect the heck out of them. Just amazing. I am on my second BRZ which gets me something close.

[@boffam00]

@@chriscamero2874 lol ND. Just a sensational car. BRZ is close and is way more practical.

[@chriscamero2874]

@@boffam00 Yes, ND's are pretty amazing. So glad Mazda has committed to keeping that car great. The BRZ feels roomier in the front. A little more elbow room. Visibility is fantastic. My new one only has 300 miles so far, so I've not opened it up yet. I'm looking forward to that. I had a 16 before, so the new one should have better power. But, yes, the Miata and the BRZ/86 are the sports cars we should all drive. Good performance but not crazy power for the street. Nice and tidy in size as well.

[@k9karma]

Super excited for this series. I am driving a two door 2012 sport on 33’s and I love it!

[@ambienteterrazas]

"I had to sell a car to pay for life" boy have I been there.

[@trahar6257]

More like pay for wife. Sold a car to pay for a party and a vacation

[@backwoodstherapy]

I’ve had to put $5 in gas in my truck to get to work to get my paycheck to get to the bank and finish filling up my tank.

[@mumwifeteacher]

Could always buy a used 4 cylinder automatic to represent his new neutered life.

[@jeepinintexas6215]

Lol Tommy is going going to find out the hard way what a mistake getting married in the West will be lol. Tommy never said whether it was a She or a He that he married through hahahaha....

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@jeepinintexas6215he refers to her as his wife, so…

[@chriscamero2874]

This makes me feel pretty good about the Willys we got. Not too much more, and we have the goodies like the suspension, 33" tires and aluminum wheels plus the factory rear locker. And the convenience items like power windows/mirrors, heated seats, auto climate, etc. I don't think the manual windows would bother me if were just a real key and not having to carry that behemoth fob around. The manual mirrors are inconvenient when you have different drivers who want to adjust them.

[@dgafkucky]

base model is the best .steel wheel are for real off road 😁

[@johnmorrison8351]

We paid around $50k for a Rubicon X manual in Boulder a little over a month ago, and that was without aggressive negotiation. We’re very happy. Almost 4,000 miles so far

[@triaxe-mmb]

2:01 so true...we all keep crying that cars and trucks are "expensive" which is true but we do it to ourselves...we all want the bells and whistles but we complain that others don't want basic vehicles and that is what is making cars expensive - don't like how expensive new vehicles have gotten, and need someone to blame, look in a mirror...🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TJY2K]

Im excited for this series! If any modifications are done, sway bar quick disconnects is all you need to be super capable.

[@matthew.tamasco]

I would rather sink money into my '98 sport than buy one of these new ones. Bought two mew cars recently and the Wranglers were not even on my wish list because of ridiculous prices. Got my Ranger w/lockers and FX4 package for $35k...

[@8bajwa8]

Congratulations Tommy. Thanks for sharing little personal life. Been watching you since you was little kid, bring so much joy and happiness to see you become a man.

[@bobjakubik4381]

Love that you're doing this. Looking forward to watching where it goes!

[@TFLoffroad]

Thanks so much!

[@problu9586]

First off, congrats on getting hitched. However, I love my 2-door WHITE 2024 Rubicon X. White is the way to go for exploring hot desert trails.

[@michaelchiara1781]

I CAN'T WAIT to see where you go with this Jeep. I just bought a base 2 door soft top during the Labor Day weekend. It was discounted $8k from MSRP, to $26.6. At that price it was a no-brainer for me. I already treated it to a simple, 2.5" spacer lift and 35" BFGs on 17x9 Fuel Vectors. The offset is -12 mm and the stance is perfect. I'm in it for just over $30k, paid cash for everything and don't have a payment. I'd rather have this with no payment over a Rubicon with the same amount down and a $500 payment. The base Wrangler is a steal right now!

[@djkenny1202]

Any options? AC?

[@michaelchiara1781]

@@djkenny1202 AC is standard in the 2024s. It came as a basic soft top with a manual transmission. Only options were the Granite Crystal paint - they upcharge for most paint other than white - and rubber floor mats.

[@djkenny1202]

@@michaelchiara1781 25k might be option on a white one? It’s getting closer to what I could wrap my head around. Hows the manual? Is stock radio Okay?

[@michaelchiara1781]

@@djkenny1202 Maybe - it depends on the dealer... I found mine by watching Cargurus, and sorting jeeps by price nationwide (Currently, there's a white on in Port Arthur, TX, advertised at $26,052). The one I bought happened to come up, I called the dealer to verify the price was truly the price (nothing stupid, like "unremoveable" ant-theft GPS tracking), and told them I'd be there the same day to buy it. The dealer I bought from is about an hour-and-a-half drive away. The manual is fine, 6th gear is a little too tall, though. You won't maintain freeway speed going up hill. The radio is just "okay", nothing spectacular, but it's a Jeep.

[@cjcowboy7625]

WOW! This is the kind of base model Wrangler that I like. It only needs a 2" lift ant 31" tires. Lots of fun and even more smiles! I bought my 2002 TJ Sport soft top without automatic transmission and love it.

[@jt9411]

$4,500 for the 8 speed is ridiculous. It's probably more robust than the manual, but that's too much.

[@rodgood]

At least you can off road the auto , not like the manual . Unless you buy wranglers to drive on paved streets .

[@adamheskett6245]

@@rodgood?

[@Whatisthis195]

You’re talking to the company that charges $40k to put their 6.4 hemi in it. An engine that’s in the base 2500 for 50k and you get a whole truck with it.

[@witwicky735]

I was a dealer employee in 93, and I bought mine used, a 1989 with hardtop, 4.2 Six and add-on air. Luxury! The great majority of YJ's at the time came just like this. Steel wheels, mostly soft top but the occasional full doors and top, 2.5 motor, some didn't even have rear seats or carpet. just wonderful little trucks, usually priced about $11,500. It was a good time to be alive.

[@lucwilson1]

With the auto you're also avoiding the numerious clutch recalls Stellantis has had. The ZF design 8 speed auto is one of the best autos out there. However $4500 for it is criminal!

[@tarheel92x]

2024 Sport, Earl, soft top, automatic, 3.6L, tint, all weather mats, $32.5K perfect for a build. The manual features, locks, mirrors, windows are what define a Wrangler. I love my "cheap" Jeep!

[@Edsrandomthingschannel9295]

I have a 2021 Willys Sport with the V6 and manual trans and I absolutely agree with you about it being under geared. Especially freeway speed hills, against a head wind, full load, passing, speed shifts, towing anything etc. I also have manual windows and door locks. Which means I have a giant key fob that contains- one key. On the possible plus side, it may make it harder for a thief to hack getting a code to steal your Jeep?

[@is6566]

I have a 2021 Sport 2-door manual modded. With 4.88 regearing it’s pretty quick on 33-inch tires.

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@is6566I’m in a 4 door Sport with the 6 speed on 35s and 4.88 gears and yeah, the 3.45 gears are fine on the 8 speed automatic but with the 6 speed it’s way undergeared. Anything bigger than the standard size tires that come on it would require 3.73 at least, if not 4.10s gears. I almost never got to 6th gear when on the stock all seasons unless I was going over 70 mph, and once I put 33s on it, 6th gear went away entirely. When I put 35s on, 5th gear went away as well. Got them both back with 4.88 gears tho.

[@is6566]

Even with the 33s before the regear I was driving in 4th on the highway doing 65 MPH. 😃 it was really bad. In town I was in 2nd and 3rd. Highway 3rd and 4th. Now, I can drive 5th and 6th. I actually like the manual a lot now. Strangely, I like it off road even more.

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@is6566I need to do more rock crawling but there’s not a lot on the east coast (east tn). It’s definitely more technical with a manual transmission, however.

[@Edsrandomthingschannel9295]

​@@is6566 I'm planning on regearing probably to 4.10s. That should work well for the way I use my Jeep which is dirt roads for camping and winter driving on snowy highways. Other than the gearing problem and a few other minor gripes, I really like the Jeep Wrangler.

[@iancraig5471]

I have a 1966 cj5a and it's basically an antique farm tractor that can go 70mph. But, that simplicity is why I love it.

[@kennydied117]

I have owned a 2016 2 door sport for the last 5 years and it now has almost 90,000 miles and I’ve only replaced tires once and only needed one repair. It was a thermostat and it was definitely more expensive than I would have liked but it’s still far cheaper to fix a vehicle than to go buy a new one.

[@bradj9870]

learn how to turn a wrench and that repair would have been extremely easy and cheap...

[@kennydied117]

@@bradj9870 I do tile for for a living, I know how to use tools just fine and do pretty much everything on my vehicle myself. I don’t always have time to do it myself. Go ahead and show your arrogance to make yourself feel better about yourself by making statements to people you know nothing about.

[@jeepinintexas6215]

​@@kennydied117 bruh, a thermostat on a 3.6 Wrangler isn't that hard to do nor doesn't it take that much time lol. Quit whining 😭

[@jeffanderson1091]

The interesting thing about a Mopar lift is that instead of buying the lift is to just buy each part individually and save money. It's hundreds less, saw it on the forum where they had the part numbers posted.

[@blakemarchand6650]

I can’t get enough of these two doors. I think everyone should have one.

[@finchtoob]

Best bang for buck mods in a 2 door JL sport would be a basic 2 or 3 inch lift, 285/75R17 MT tyres, quick disconnect sway bar links, and a lunchbox locker in the front. Oh and some cheap rock rails

[@365USA]

I love it. Less Options = Less Problems. 👌👌

[@williamheinsinger7390]

Boom 💥

[@luisbarraza9709]

Smart move Tommy! Get rid of a car note and get the car you want via TFL. Makes total sense. 🙌🏽

[@JarradShaw]

I love, love, love your Cheap Jeeps series though out the years.

[@couplesdancelessons]

2020 Gladiator Sport owner here. Upgraded tires (same size) and added rock rails. Off-roads just fine for me. I don't miss power windows. The lack of power doors is just mildly annoying.

[@fernandomartin624]

Wow inflation is rampant.. 2022 paid a huge amount of money, 50k for a gladiator sport S diesel automatic with towing package... Dana 44s... Insane....

[@amazingjason455]

Vote accordingly.

[@Kahless00]

That's not inflation. It's price gouging. Corporate profits have been setting new records every quarter since lockdown ended.

[@chriscon8463]

I had an ‘18 Sport JLU with the 3.6L/6M. Hard top, limited slip diff, & off-road tires were my only options. I replaced the front rotors at 10K miles. Galvanic corrosion on the hinges. The paint was not adhering to the frame welds & they were rusting. Every few months there would be a loud POP through the speakers & my radio would reset. It had 3.45 gearing & didn’t have any low-end torque. Clutches were apparently exploding. I both loved it & hated it.

[@AStanton1966]

I have a 2023 Jeep Wrangler Willys with the manual. They solved the problem of the overheating clutch: by removing the OEM transmission skid plate! I found this out when I went to install an aftermarket skid plate.

[@soggywuffles882]

Recently picked up a 24 2dr sport manual soft top for $30.5k out the door. There are deals to be had out there.

Same. Got a black one with the 8 speed and soft top for 31k out the door.

[@djkenny1202]

I hear of ones under 29k OTD

[@wakeboarder9180]

I purchased a new '23 of this exact Jeep one year ago (except mine has the manual transmission). I agree on all your points. However I believe that bracket you were pointing to near the frame is for installation of side steps. I recently took mine on a rugged trail along the east side of Lake Tahoe on stock Michelin street tires. At one point I had 2 wheels in the air. It went through with no issues (thanks to the standard brake lock limited slip rear axle). It will be fun to see what you guys do with this one. I've also owned every generation of Jeep (2 Cjs, 2 YJ's, one TJ, one JK, and now a JL). The last two have been the most off-road capable (as factory stock)

[@MelvinEdman-x6m]

I am a curmudgen. I love no power windows and door locks👍😊

[@ROBinJVILLE]

Same 🙏

[@donleamon8653]

I’m good with no power windows, but locks are pretty handy.

[@triaxe-mmb]

​​@@donleamon8653same. I can live without power windows but power door locks are an absolute must have in any vehicle I own...

[@cmiles97x38]

Not for $41k MSRP

[@triaxe-mmb]

@@cmiles97x38 no one is actually paying that though and if they are, they are out of their god damn minds. The only time in the last 40yrs when MSRP or higher was the standard was between 2021-2023...rest of the time, it's basically been at or around invoice...or lower with most brands since, well, they always over produces and had too much inventory on hand and needed to move metal...MSRP was for suckers...

[@astro143_]

I have a 2 door '23 Sport S in Hydro Blue and I have to say I love the 2024 grille, almost makes me want to upgrade mine. Mine was ~42k out the door, hard top, 4 cyl turbo + auto, and the heated seat package. The 7 inch screen is nice and suits my needs, but Uconnect 5 on that new display is lovely. It's mainly been a commuter for 18 months, but it's a blast.

[@br5145-v3m]

My pre-Covid JTR was ~50k (fully loaded) OTD…and that wasn’t a “special” price. Sad to say, this will probably be my last after having Jeeps for the past 10 years.

[@Offshore1977]

I’m a Jeep guy and have no idea what you mean by JTR?

[@tdel8613]

Gladiator ​@@Offshore1977

[@awesomesauce982]

Gladiator Rubicon ​@@Offshore1977

[@backwoodstherapy]

@@Offshore1977Gladiator Rubicon. You know, the pre-2006s were the TJs, then you had the JKs, then the JLs. The Gladiators have been dubbed the “JT” (for “Jeep Truck” maybe?) and the R is short for “Rubicon.”

[@Offshore1977]

@@backwoodstherapy got it.

[@BassRacerx]

I love the concept of this series. the stock wrangler is PLENTY capable for most people's bravery. most of people's "modifications" are just for show to look tough. And many peoples modifications even make it worse!

[@spartanchirho]

I enjoy these!! I can afford something more expensive but i dont want to. I like these bc not gettimg ripped off.

[@fredrubble1151]

If you bought the jeep with the Manual you would have had the $$$ to re-gear. I have a 2024 Gladiator, Manual with 4.10 gears and it works well. I agree about 6th gear though. 1"st could have been a Granny gear like my RAM Cummins. Also have a F-150 manual - shifter shakes so crazy that third gear is only for the brave at heart. I've owned 18 vehicles over the years and 17 have been manual transmissions. The AISIN AL6 is one of the Best!

[@baysidemarine9606]

DON'T LIFT IT! High clearance fenders for 35" tires and front bumper, rock rails, and go Conquer trails!

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

Absolutely agree !!!

[@johnmathias4871]

They should have someone with a "height challenged" significant other give them an opinion on the ease of entry/exit. The door pillar mounted handles are nice, but my wife thinks the old Rubicon handles (that hung from the roll cage bars) were more useful for her.

[@roderickhance2088]

So happy you guys have a wrangler back in the fleet! Can’t wait to see this series!

[@nlken7175]

Good 33" tires and a small 2-3" lift would make it good offroad.

[@backwoodstherapy]

Even a 1.5” puck spacer and some 285/75r17s would make a world of difference off road. I rocked a similar setup for a couple years on my sport with no other mods and did some trails on the rougher end of 4/10 and it did great.

[@kabloosh699]

People really do not comprehend how inflation has blown up. For example I had bought a 2019 Colorado Z71 in 2019. That vehicle was MSRP about 41k but I ended up paying 34.5k for it after discounts. In 2024 that truck would have cost about 50.4k MSRP, and 42.2k respectively. I just traded in my 19 Colorado in March for a 2024 Colorado ZR2. That truck cost around 55k with all of the options I chose with only minimal discounts at the time. :( That same truck would have cost 44.6k new in 2019. Probably would have been even less since I got around 18% off MSRP in 2019 so I probably would have paid south of 40k for a fully loaded 3rd gen ZR2 in 2019 if it wasn't for all of this massive inflation the past 4 years.

[@djkenny1202]

Why give up the 19 to go back into debt on a 54k version?

[@yoyartube]

I have a 2014 JK that I paid about 40,000 (Canadian) - which seemed very high at the time. Those US prices would translate to 70,000 CAD. Forget it.

[@jtomtl]

We Canadians are always get ripped off,$70000 for a little jeep is insane

[@louamorin4246]

I bought a 2 door Sport for 25k tax in here in Quebec in 2014. It's been great so far with only rear brakes and oil changes. At today's prices I'm keeping my 2014 for many more years.

[@alvinn.5591]

I had two manual JKs but I refused to go with the manual JL because of that shift by wire change. It shifted like hot garbage when I test drove an ‘18. Not to mention that new 8 speed auto is such an improvement to the previous 5 speed.

[@brendanberry6263]

You're not wrong about the manual. Horrible transmission. I loved the feel of the JK manual, but it was a piece of garbage for other reasons. Horribly manuals since the AX-15.

[@jspencerg]

Why you think the JK 6-speed was garbage?

[@brendanberry6263]

@@jspencerg A large number of them pop out of gear - especially first. Jeep had a TSB about it for a number of years, but really it was all of them. And the throw out bearings and spring have a tendency to fail prematurely as well. I have a '16 with 60k and from 40k I need to hold it in 1st when first setting off to keep it from popping out.

[@jspencerg]

@@brendanberry6263 That sucks. My 2014 jku Rubicon 6 speed is holding up well. I do have to be firm with the shifts, as I've had shift fail, rarely though.

[@JacobD596]

I own a 2024 gladiator sport and I honestly love the lack of options. Less stuff to break but it retains the 4x4, solid axles, nice touch screen, and has a huge aftermarket. Plus it was discounted 10k so I paid 34k.

[@LukeEdward]

NO DUCKS!!!!!!! NO DUCKS

[@volvo09]

What's with the duck trend? I don't get it

[@LukeEdward]

@@volvo09 There’s a cutesy history to it, but I’m with you. I appreciate getting/giving to show appreciation of a Jeep, but a sure as heck will not display a dash lined up with these things.

[@J.Young808]

Go Beavs! 🦫

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

My buddy bought a 2024 Wrangler Sport 2 door. Only option is the $2,500 automatic transmission tied to the 2.0L 4cyl. Was something like $37k. Love that vehicle, and a soft-top is the correct way to buy them. 2024 Sports are interesting in that it's the last year of the crank windows, combined with the modern 2024 screen.

[@Monty-ko3zi]

You did the jeep. Why not to the big bend bronco.

[@amazingjason455]

If they get another Bronco, it should be a two door seven speed Sasquatch.

[@AStanton1966]

I agree with him 100% on the gearing of the manual transmission. I have a 2023 Jeep Willys with the 3.6 and a manual transmission. If you are cruising on a flat highway at 70mph, the 5th gear of the transmission will be only be putting out 2K of rpms. I can't ever imagine being able to use the 6th gear.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

i agree the 6th gear is not needed, my 95 wrangler 5 speed is much more fun to drive.

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣 "HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED"....BUT, NOT FIXED! AT 3:43~

[@mkvance15]

The Willys package included a rear limited slip, which it appears is missing on the new one, and maybe the tow package?

[@stefanritson3667]

I bought my first wrangler back in 2022 based on the videos of Tommy talking about his red one and mine is a 2 door hydro blue so excited to see what you do with it

[@paull3373]

A crap price for that vehicle - Jeep rebates of 5-10K are mandatory to get to a somewhat competitive price.

[@billsanders3604]

I love this purchase. Look forward to more videos. Love the 3.6 in my JGC 2018 Laredo 4*4. 6 years and only 27,000 miles have been flawless. 25 mpg on the highway at 70 mph with air on! 30 mpg at 55 mph. Plenty of power. Could use a little more torque. Curious how the open diffs will handle the off-road. Definitely do a mpg run. Love the color too!

[@cmiles97x38]

$35k for a $25k Wrangler and Stelantis wonders why sales are slow not even considering Stelantis Jeep reliability decline.

[@17madracki17]

Those jeeps should and will be 20k again soon.

[@BelowTheHardDeckDoesNotCount]

Tommy, i couldn't agree with you more! I had a 2019 Jeep Wrangler Sport Manual and I also didn't like that transmission at all. Like you said, 1st and 6th ratios were way off. Constantly changing gears on the highway and grinding the clutch off road. I have a Bronco Badlands with the 7 speed manual with 4.7 axle and I'm loving it. Completely different shift feel and power delivery. The crawler gear in 4L is incredible.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

the borg warner T5 ratios are so much better

[@efranklin85]

4:38 😩 I hate how Andre slams the hoods on all the new vehicles. It wasn’t even necessary on this jeep. 😢

[@Malc664]

Yep, it puts pressure on the latch and can eventually move it. Cringe stuff.

[@fastfed]

If my 2.0 proves to be reliable. Its by far a much superior engine then the minivan engine. I get 17-20mpg city and get 24mpg on the hwy with 35's and a 3.5" lift. Its super peppy and smokes the 3.6 off the line . In 4lo , you have ultimate control and if you need the turbo just press down a litttle more and tons of tq

[@ivorton23]

I almost ditched my Titan for a Gladiator. So glad I didn’t do that lol🙏🏽

[@AndrewBaker924]

Can’t wait for this series! You guys are driving my favorite color and the color I have on my Gladiator. Just had to have my rear defrost solder back on to my back hardtop window. My 5th warranty issue in 4 years. Still love my Gladiator though!

[@VetSGT]

Not worth the price…..

[@johnmathias4871]

Thanks for another great video! I recently bought a 2024 Gladiator and I saw the same thing in the Pentastar engine bay: the EVIL plastic shroud is gone. Yaaaayyy! I traded in my old baby (a 2014 JKUR), so the engine is mostly the same (not a fan of the run/stop), but it feels pretty familiar and comfortable to me. One thing I'd like to get you guys to check for me: how is the seating position? When the JL models came out, the seat seemed too low and when I had a rental Gladiator a few years ago, it seemed like it just would not go back far enough to get comfortable. With my new "Rubicon X" Gladiator, it has the power seats and they made a huge improvement (for me.) I don't know if its actually got more range of motion than the manual seats or if its just the combination of different adjustments, but its not an issue for me at all now.

[@jpi8726]

Plenty of people would buy a base Wrangler. But dealers don’t stock them because the profit is made on unnecessary “convenience” packages and dealer installed options. You hit the nail on the head and your opening monologue; “all the wranglers we see on dealer lots cost over 60k” And that’s why they’re still sitting on dealer lots. And btw, I stopped watching when I saw the automatic.

[@goblin3810]

Nobody wants a standard jeep

[@jpi8726]

@@goblin3810 apparently nobody wants loaded ones either.

[@tripleseven8361]

As bad as these prices are, it could be much worse… You could be living in Canada, where the Canadian dollar has taken a nose dive and your Jeep 392, is priced over $130,000…

[@frankwrogg2515]

Pentastar may be old but still has plenty of issues.

[@garysarratt1]

Go on…?

[@doodskie999]

This is why I buy used cars. The pricing now is insane. I usually buy cars that are less than 4 years old.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Anyone paying more than $40k for a Stellantis product shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[@rodjones812]

Kinda of a self aptitude test 😂

[@daddywags88]

@@nothingtoseaheardammit Spoken like a true liberal!🤣

[@Gnargoyle811]

@@rodjones812What a rich reply…🤡

[@justinborysenko3885]

Hi we saw you drove up in a 60k Jeep. You can’t vote but we do have a timeshare you might like

[@KrissPee]

In Europe average Wrangler price it is 85k dolar for short and 117k dolar for long. All its base model. Stelantis want use 1.4 tjet in Wrangler....and 0.9 MultiAir in Compass and Tenegade..... Idiots forom Stelantis....

[@stephen3164]

$41k is crazy. How much is a base Bronco? I like the color - I’d put some larger tires on it, pull off the doors, remove the front part of the roof, and cruise SoCal beaches. 😊

[@daveallen7767]

Ya ! Pull off the doors - so what's the fuss with crank windows ?

[@seymorefact4333]

Cheap jeeps ....LOL! endless repairs ...isn't CHEAP~. THIS IS WHY JEEP, RAM, TOYOTA, GM, ETC ARE ALL IN TROUBLE!

[@daddywags88]

Too bad your not talking from experience and just talking shit. Quit hating or trolling! Whichever one fits you. 😂

[@br5145-v3m]

Are the “endless repairs” in the room with us right now?

[@Austinandjules]

These jeeps are normally dead reliable for 80k miles. First things that replaced are wheel bearings, axle u joints, and the rezeppa joints in the drive shafts. All those items fail on toyotas at the same mileage. Plus the awful toyota steering shaft failure. You ain't a mechanic. Stop spreading lies.

[@is6566]

You misspelled the “endless repairs”. Correctly it’s “and less repairs”. You are welcome. 😃

[@seymorefact4333]

@@is6566 OMG...is this Mrs. Lolita...my englis teacher!

[@HardcountsAdventures]

I bought a base model Jeep brand new at the end of 23 but it came with a RC step and 2.5 lift with 33’s and fuel rims out the door 35k. I’ve since added a bumper and winch and it’s been to Moab and Colorado. Going to regear and put 35’s and then do keeper’s jamboree next year.

[@davidkallstrom4349]

less talk and more offroad please

[@jonc2914]

TFL doesn't off road.... they literally think off reading is driving on flat dirt ROADS

[@mcnuggetapple]

@@jonc2914you must not watch all of their videos lol