You Don’t Need Gore-Tex Anymore.

[@TheIronSnail]

Dear everyone, Believe it or not I never looked under my soap dish until I shot this video at that low angle, I’m embarrassed and disgusted and will never be making videos again until my soap is clean. If anyone has any tips on how to clean it please let me know!

[@dBsdecibels]

Powdered bleach works great. Work it up into a paste with a bit of water. It'll be chemically effective, and abrasive enough to scrub it.

[@J.0.E.]

Please just rip out that entire area and put new titles. That shit is done

[@TheIronSnail]

I can’t even get my landlord to fix my cabinet hinge

[@bobbyrobison]

English luxury should do it. you sound delicious btw

[@alanc6468]

A good mask, foamy bleach and a grout brush.

[@krisjonesuk]

Gore-Tex is out of patent. The waterproofing membranes used by many manufacturers are essentially the same fabric as Gore-Tex. For example, I have a Jack Wolfskin jacket that has a Texapore layer, which is basically their version of Gore-Tex. However, as Gore-Tex wants to continue selling its products and present themselves as better than the alternatives, they have introduced a certification process. Before a jacket can carry the Gore-Tex label it has to be inspected and tested by them. They ensure that the construction and seam taping does not compromise the performance of the Gore-Tex layer. So far as I can see, it is only this certification process that distinguishes Gore-Tex from other manufacturers’ alternatives.

[@TheIronSnail]

It's their certification process for sure! I think they probably have a slightly tighter membrane too to get the extra 8,000m above the standard

[@STILLROLLINGFILMS]

Every brand tests its membranes, Gore-Tex makes membranes so it's natural for them to run tough tests before associating their name with a brand. That being said Gore-Tex also works closely with some brands to develop specific membranes (Arc'teryx alpine hard-shells for example are always ahead of most brands that still carry GTX). Texapore, Dryvent (former Hyvent), H2n0, Omnishield, Futurelight ecc. Are all great membranes for the average day to day use and far more affordable but if we give some credibility to the numbers the brands give they're not comparable to Gore-Tex, it's really a stretch to say that they're the same fabric (they're not necessarily polyester, they can be also nylon and polyamide). That being said I love Jack Wolfskin and would recommend it to anybody

[@eddgar-ce3md]

Gore-Tex used to make their membrane out of toxic expanded teflon. They then moved to PU, just like everyone else. Gore-Tex is nothing more than marketing now.

[@JCesarH]

While other brands membranes are built in the same way, that doesn't mean they are the same. JW regular texapore membrane is "only" 10.000mm, and their texapore pro is 20.000. For the vast majority of people this is plenty, but gore-tex is more waterproof. I work at an outdoor store, and I often hear that gore-tex does breathe better than anything else of the same waterproof level.

[@krisjonesuk]

@@JCesarH There’s a newer video that challenges the orthodoxy of Gore-Tex and other ‘breathable’ membranes that raises a number of interesting points. Gore-Tex has been forced to abandon its original fabric for environmental reasons and now uses the same fabric as its competitors. The breathability of membranes is dependent on the environment. In high humidity or when the outer shell of a jacket is saturated with water, it doesn’t breathe at all. In order to try and reduce this problem, membrane manufacturers rely on the outer shell being treated with a DWR (durable water repellent). You can see it here- kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXioq32Ajs6Fhc0si=nyB7ZQkJFQHCloUl

[@treimar]

What no one told me when I first bought waterproof garment was that It's like a subscription service. I thought it would just do what gore says it does "Waterproof and breathes" forever... but no, you need to keep buying DWR and constantly treating the fabric.

[@Dreyno]

As someone from the west of Ireland, the best waterproof jacket is a PVC fisherman’s “oilskin”. They’re called oilskins but they’re not actually an oilskin like a waxed jacket. The sort of rubbery looking stuff they wear on trawlers. They’re absolutely not breathable but if you’re not being very active and the temperature is low, they will keep you dry all day in the heaviest of rain. Brands like Guy Cotten, Helly Hansen, Grundens and Ocean.

[@TheIronSnail]

100%! My dad is a fisherman and has these! They are absolutely brutal in the summer but they are almost foolproof

[@toyotahilux2]

I bought guy cotten trousers for use on the farm, the legs were really short on it!! And very disappointed with how long they lasted for. Back to the cheapy airflex ones

[@Dreyno]

@@toyotahilux2 Were you wearing wellies? They really are designed for wellies. They wouldn’t work well with normal boots unless you had gnome legs.

[@dBsdecibels]

A few other considerations worth mentioning: 1) breathability of a fabric follows a similar number scale of XXXX (grams/meters^2)*24 hours. Sounds confusing, just remember that a bigger number = more breathable goodness. Breathability is another metric where GoreTex excels. 4) Taped seams and waterproof zippers are also essential. Taped seams are a method of folding all seams over each other, stitching them together, and taping the inside with a waterproof and permanent tape. This prevents water encroaching from the stitching holes. If you've ever wondered how water is still dripping on you while you hold an umbrella, this is why. For some reason no umbrella manufacturers tape their seams. Generally speaking, at the GoreTex price point, all garments will have both taped seams and waterproof zippers. 3) Consider how packable and lightweight a jacket is. Not as important if you're only going to wear it on rainy days in NYC, but if you're actually going to hike, snowboard, climb a mountain, then the lighter and more packable the better. The starting price for GoreTex isn't too expensive, where things get pricy is when the garment is ultra light and packable. 4) There are 2 types of GoreTex fabric: 2 layer and 3 layer. They're pretty self explanatory. 2 layers tend to be lighter weight and more breathable, but less durable and more prone to failure and less waterproof. They're also the least expensive. 3 layer is less breathable and heavier, but more durable and waterproof. 3 layer can be as light weight as 2 layer, but that's where things get expensive. 5) Look for generous ventilation (usually under arm pits and around the chest). Sometimes pockets will be venting as well with mesh liners. This is surprisingly important. I wouldn't even buy a waterproof jacket without a means of venting. As good as GoreTex is for ventilation, it's still not as effective as bare skin. Sweating in the wilderness can be very dangerous, so ventilation is important. If you don't like that clammy feel inside a waterproof jacket, open the vents and you'll feel immediately better.

[@TheIronSnail]

Ty for all the great info my friend!

[@borabora4480]

they may excel in breathability in the lab but not in environments when the outside water is sitting on the jacket. the "pores" are blocked by water droplets.

[@Qrzychu92]

​@@borabora4480that applies also to every other membrane, don't forget :)

[@andrashavas]

There is a whole world of hidden community which does not use gore-tex in the rain... Guess who? Hint: people use umbrellas.

[@Qrzychu92]

@@andrashavas I'm a part of that, but umbrellas stop working when there is wind :(

[@borabora4480]

As the jacket gets wet on the outside the breathability is reduced as the droplets clog up the area that vapor requires to exit. to the extent the water quickly runs off the jacket the vapor could potentialy be eliminated but all of this is very case scenario dependent. Breathability and waterproof works against eachother to occur at the same time. I have used goretex in both deserts and rainforest and have experienced the wet outside not coming inside but being extraodinarily wet on the inside.

[@alpinebreed1774]

i have never reay seen anyone talk about sympatex and its is in the 45k waterptoof range with 45k beathability and yet everyone looses their moind over gortex

[@CarlMurawski]

Thank you so much for the shoutout man! Also, bugs are the friggin’ WORST! I try not to hate anything or anyone, but I hate them.

[@TheIronSnail]

AGREED! also ty!

[@stevejobs2591]

You're still a kyle

[@davemck1887]

I'm a hiker and swear by Adidas TEREX hi top's (goretex). I've also got a Patagonia coat that i swear by too, so putting all the swearing aside, I flucking love them. Great video Micheal, cheers.

[@TheIronSnail]

Bahaha, those Adidas look sweet! Also ty!

[@danoesq2]

"Gore-tex" or similar since it's a brand name is great for backpacking because of the weight. Oillskin is great for warmth (depending on the brand) and waxed cotton is decent. It depends on weight snd how long your in the rain.

[@Dan-Chrssy]

Michael, clean the soap holder in your shower for god’s sake! Holy moldy!

[@TheIronSnail]

I didn’t see under there until this vid!

[@cozmicblade4410]

9:25 I got the same situation, im running to get hydrogen peroxide rn

[@azoique]

lol and some chlorine for that mold

[@OGSarah]

Very interesting video. I appreciate all the research that went into this. With that said, your review on the Barbour Bedale inspired me to break up with my Gortex rain coat. Now, I ponder the problems of mankind with a cuppa tea while wearing the pinnacle of English Luxury.

[@TheIronSnail]

This is the way

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

Good video. I agree with all you said. PS. Regarding the mosquitoes...spray your clothing with Permethrin, perfectly safe for even GoreTex garments. If you don't want to put DEET on your skin (really bad for all nylon, including GoreTex), try Picaridin.

[@AlexanderNiazi]

There is an electronic wristband device that repels mosquitoes with a small pulse that only affects them, it allows me to travel to exotic counties and not get bitten even in shorts, this life changing device is called a Nopixgo, you're welcome.

[@MrHackclan]

Well you can just wear a plastic bag if you want to be waterproof. The membran ist only breathable in the rain if you use DWR .. so you can get almost any jacket with seamed tapes plus DWR and you are good to go. the only reason to speend 400 Euro on thin goretex jacket is for extreme conditions.. and thats rarely anyone.

[@STILLROLLINGFILMS]

Great video and very well explained! I worked with a few of these brands, mostly TNF, for a number of years and your explanation could be used for training. Now, there's just one bit you're missing which is alternatives to ePTFE that are as performing as Gore-Tex and (and here's the best part) DON'T need any DWR which is the wonderful world of external membranes which are laminated directly on the surface, eliminating the need for a chemical bath such as DWR. The best example that I recommend you to test is Columbia's OutDry Extreme, their numbers are more or less as impressive as Gore-Tex and for their summer shells are far more breathable. It was an Italian company to make this membrane and it was bought out almost instantly by Columbia. Now they're making new products under the name of HDry. I also want to specify that we all like numbers but there's no standardized tests so each brand will do whatever to sound a bit better than they are. Aside from these details for nerds your video is perfect!

[@TheIronSnail]

Fascinating read!! I'll definitely have to check out Columbia, I think they worse that a few years ago in the olympics!

[@STILLROLLINGFILMS]

@@TheIronSnail I would LOVE to see a video of you testing the OutDry Extreme out in comparison with Gore-Tex! Especially for the light shells it's a game changer. Hope you make it at some point , keep it up!

[@eddgar-ce3md]

I have a 7 year old Columbia rain jacket, i bought it because it was cheap. Turns out it's better than any Goretex jacket that's times more expensive. I wore it summer and winter, took it with me on every trip, recommended it to every friend. It took 7 years of abuse, and still works perfectly.

[@The-Splat]

@@TheIronSnailI hope you test the OutDry/HDry gear!

[@nottsforest69]

In the UK enjoying my English luxury right now. It’s started to rain so must dash outside Michael and test my rain gear.

[@TheIronSnail]

It's a must!

[@reggin_spelt_backwards]

I got hit by a car on my bike and slid like 4 meters on the pavement in a gore-tex north face apex flex (original version) and it had like 1 small scratch. Didn’t go thru. I had a knockoff one that ripped open on a branch skiing. I’m just saying.

[@Cranthir69]

you haven’t mentioned arc'teryx you not arctwizzy ? 😔🤞🏻

[@TheIronSnail]

Im so arctwizzy it's not even funny -- just wait till we get to their down composite mapping

[@thePowerPlant]

Gabardine is great too. But Ventile is my choice.

[@andrashavas]

Gore-tex far above anybody else.... They claim their 28000 mm makes such a difference. In essence my jacket of 3000 mm stood the rain for half an hour because the DWR on the surface was new. Also it got dry in 5 minutes, because the outer layer was ripstop. The breathability was also good, because it had storm flaps and pit zips. NEVER got wet inside due to failing. So there you have it. 3000 mm is good enough. So is 10000 mm. 28000 mm will not make a difference. Design of the jacket will.

[@perarduaadastra873]

UMBRELLA ☔️ Most Breathable & Waterproof. ✨✅

[@puffinjuice]

I suggest a mesh shirt or fleece plus a plastic raincoat. Goretex doesn't work. All you need is a waterproof layer and something to keep the wet off your skin.

[@MisterKnightly]

Could you ask Mr. Huckberry why none of their boots come in wide sizes? I need to support you, but not in a D width.

[@TheIronSnail]

Bahaha yes I'll pass it to the boss!

[@mcnuonuo]

Has anyone tried using leather jackets for rain? Horsehide repels water, and it lasts a long long time, and looks hell lot better than a rain jacket.

[@QuartBernstein311]

What motorcyclists used before manmade materials. Same concept as boots where depending on leather/conditioner/etc it can repel water for a time but at some point will become soaked and will take a long time to dry. Wool with a good amount of lanolin will perform well also. This gives wool the benefit of being breathable and water resistant as it is what has been used through history by civilizations. I like to think of it as beard hair (oiled with sebum) with the wool's lanolin because when you drink soup with a beard your hairs will wick off the liquid off your bottom lip and slide it off your face. You may need to replenish the lanolin in wool. I find wool more comfortable to wear/work in than the other natural alternatives such as waxed cotton or leather. Not sure particularly what would make horsehide more water resistant. I suspect the horsehide leather has an overall high standard of production, because: A) You can't raise horses for meat in US; thus supply is limited, and getting supply is expensive B) You can't raise horses for meat in US; thus you don't have animals raised for quick meat consumption living a poor quality life C) Because supply is low, quality control is high for the reputation of shell cordovan. The only horsehide I have seen tanned in US from Horween which is the most well known tannery in world. Problem with leather is it is not heat/cold retardant, so as it can be good to stop the wind, the skin will radiate the temperature outside. Also heavy. Advantage is durability. This is probably why you only see leather used for boots (need for high durability) or low mobility (shop apron, horseriding/chainsaw/motorcycle chaps, motorcycle riding jackets, pilot jackets, ss officer). The only example I could think of for some mobility with a leather jacket would be police officers, but wool was also used.

[@israsantaritanieto3380]

Ive got an Austrian Army jacket wich has a Sympatex lining and then a polycotton shell or outer wich is pretty much still waterproof even though its from 2002, problem is eventually ill have to rewaterproof it but i dont want to buy sonething expensive that will damage the enviroment, nickswax would work but tbh i dont have that kind of money to spend, could someone please tell me if theres a option?

[@Hangvogel]

Hahaha 😂 that mosquito that slurped your brain out… Very funny

[@Yamahog]

Ok Mike ...... excellent Vid, ...Buuuuut .... As a Biker, we relegate ourselves to water-proof rain gear. Meaning at 70 + mph we don't get fickle. ... I digress. If you had, say, a wool pull-over tunic that is wind and water resistant to 100 mph winds, and light weight, ( and we could wear our Leather Vest over it without feeling like a stuffed shirt ) ..... I think that would be a smash hit for us in the biker community. It would safe time for us putting on our storm-rated rain gear. Just some food for thought .... Stay Safe

[@mustafagencer]

The most indifferent company I have ever seen Customer relations are so bad that I sent 100 messages and no response yet. I will never buy a product from this brand again.

[@perarduaadastra873]

UMBRELLA ☔️ the most breathable & waterproof. ✨✅

[@etow8034]

Using a DWR on the top layer Gore-Tex fabric is already pretty stupid when the fabric itself is already a synthetic like polyamide or nylon and even stupider still now that long-chain C8 DWR can't be used which basically mean you have to recoat the outer fabric with a wimpy WR like Nikwax TX-Spray or Granger's Repel every time you wash the jacket !

[@przemysawseredyszyn1405]

No its not. The function of membranes is to be waterproof and breathable. When the top layer fabric is wet it creates a physical barrier for the vapor and the garment stops being breathable. You need a hydrofobic protective layer on top of it. If you dont have any breathability you may as well wear rubber.

[@etow8034]

@@przemysawseredyszyn1405 Get back to me when you find out what the outer fabric is made out of ! ...LoL

[@przemysawseredyszyn1405]

@@etow8034 Nylon and polyamide are not hydrophobic by nature - they need special preparations to get that way. Being synthetic doesnt make a fabric hydrofobic ,if that would be the case than polyester would be hydrophobic. You do realize that dyes are water soluble? How do you think polyamide and nylon are dyed if (according to you) they are hydrophobic? LoL

[@etow8034]

@@przemysawseredyszyn1405 Yes nylon absorbs a certain amount of moisture, but it doesn't mean that the Gore-Tex membrane is not breathable when the outer nylon fabric is wet out, just a bit more heavy and less efficient for the Gore-Tex membrane to breath ! Without the use of long-chain C8 DWR Gore-Tex in it's current predicament is high and expensive to maintain and a nitrile raincoat with side vent might be a better alternative.

[@przemysawseredyszyn1405]

@@etow8034 Let me reiterate. When the outer layer is dry, vapor can move freely between its fibers and escape to the outside of the garment. When the outer layer is wet, water fills the spaces between the fibres, and the only way for vapor to escape is to be absorbed into that water and evaporate from it to the outside of the garment. The problem is that, in normal use of this type of clothes, the outer layer is much colder than the inner layer, so evaporation on the outside is much slower than on the inside. This creates a bottleneck in the process where the garment evacuates vapor almost as slowly as the outer layer dries, and if it continues to rain, there is no way for the outer layer to dry. Yes, some vapor still leaves the wet outer layer, but the amount is negligible. This causes moisture to build up inside the garment. Therefore, clothes with membrane require some kind of water-repellent coating on the outer layer. I'm not questioning any other of your assesments.

[@BwBumbar]

You didn’t mention outdry from Columbia/mountain hardwear

[@Memento_HiFi]

If the new jeans are those new Redcast Heritage x Tanuki jeans that they've been showing off then I'm gonna be excited

[@TheIronSnail]

:)

[@afinha631]

take a look for columbia outdry, no dwr required

[@TheIronSnail]

Looking into it as we speak!

[@Daniel_Verhey]

Hey Michael, great video as always, I love how informative your videos are without lacking on the entertainment. What mic do you use when you record?

[@TheIronSnail]

Thank you! And I actually use a Lark system! Super cool/easy

[@Daniel_Verhey]

@@TheIronSnail thanks!

[@gqfiend]

5:21 What a shot. Gorgeous.

[@TheIronSnail]

Ty!

[@gqfiend]

Those huckberry boots look EXACTLY like something that I wouldn’t purchase.

[@TheIronSnail]

Ha!

[@quistmo4417]

Hi you beautiful man! Is the video inspired by Future Proof's video on Gore-tex? :)

[@TheIronSnail]

Bahahaha hi! And it's the beginning of a series I'm doing on fabrics but def watched/loved their videos

[@quistmo4417]

@@TheIronSnail Sounds extremely interesting, can't wait!

[@lobsterthemobster2032]

Hey I know this isn't a denim video but I was wondering if it's a good idea to start getting into selvedge denim while still in high-school and if you have any recommendations? Love the video as usual

[@TeethOfDead]

Unbranded

[@masoudabdun-noor8675]

Full count

[@lukemcevoy2385]

Bravestar

[@TheIronSnail]

It totally is! I agree with the posters below me!

[@Jafail4079]

so all in all, the Gore-Tex is still the best of the best of the best. Just go for it. Purchase one with a Gore-Tex tag. My conclusion following watching the video.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. The take-home message that I learned from this is that individual brands have its own versions of Gore-Tex. Gore-Tex also varies in many version, two layers and three layers.🤣😂😂😂

[@MukulKumar-pn1sk]

Take umbrella and live happily.

[@_-JR01]

Established and confirmed now how Michael wakes up everyday in the Iron Snail Cinematic Universe

[@TheIronSnail]

Tis true!

[@dapiddiboy]

Karma soap at Lush is great Patchouli soap!

[@TheIronSnail]

I

[@northman77]

3:35 Hum.... No! Gore tex is waterproof OR breathable. One at a time. You should take a look at F9 videos about that. They test most of this stuff and gore tex was not the best. I use merino wool by now, it way more breathable, it's warm when wet and dry super fast. In the end I am often more comftable than my friends under their waterproof and (it's or not and, it's marketing gimmick) breathable and unaffordable. It work on my motorcycle under 0°C and I can hunt comfortably all day even under rain.

[@TuzPew]

Could you do a video about underwear and which fabrics are the best?

[@TheIronSnail]

That would be some WILD b-roll

[@TuzPew]

@@TheIronSnail yeah, that might actually be a problem. I just thought you would do an excellent comparison of different materials xD

[@blueband8114]

English luxury these days, means being able to fill your car with fuel, and heat your home.

[@TheIronSnail]

This is very very true

[@cozmicblade4410]

WATCH FORTNINE GORETEX VIDEO, it explains better how waterproof/breathable the fabric is

[@TheIronSnail]

kk!

[@JR-nl3mh]

And what about watches ?

[@xXBLAKGOATXx]

Lmao 😂😂😂 i was gunna say wax cottons a pretty cheap way to waterproof gues thats what the first 11:30min was getting at 11:33

[@rickyprice3156]

I know I'm incredibly late to the party, but after this video I'd like to see a bug net/jacket review 😂

[@mrlolmaster1019]

tomorrow will be 2 years since you uploaded that sugar cane video, which just uploaded when i got bird shit on my levis and i had to wash it after 9 months of wear

[@TheIronSnail]

Hahahaha I remember this!

[@joshz9153]

So close to being a great video - but never got around to explaining anything that I was expecting and was needing to know.

[@Errcyco]

Ive been using H2NO exclusively for ten years or so now.. unintentionally. I thought it was cheaper gore-tex on my first Patagonia jacket.. I hadn't done any research other than I trusted Patagonia when I hiked the AT so I was buying from them. Dude.. it's by all accounts the same stuff.. it's cheaper (noice) and it doesn't kill the planet! Go H2NO.. it's the best bet out of all the others because it's a standard, not membrane. Meaning each piece of rain gear Patagonia makes is unique and make for a specific task.

[@kennycube5126]

It's stil e-PTFE. So it's definately killing the planet.

[@shanecorwin731]

This video made me feel so much smarter

[@TheIronSnail]

Shane YOU make me feel so much smarter

[@bryansantti214]

Okay, now do Ventile

[@TheIronSnail]

okay deal!

[@TheShannonagains]

GORE taught me how to love again.

[@TheIronSnail]

GORE taught me everything I need

[@Midman1972]

Where's Pata-gon-e-ah?

[@0oSiLveRo0]

Waxed cotton also looks better

[@gqfiend]

This science and number stuff is confusing. I like it!

[@TheIronSnail]

Me too!

[@DrawnInk1]

Buy a Barbour and also look good.

[@rage8kage]

Wow. Your bath is rank

[@TheIronSnail]

NO NO PLEASE! I bleached it after! Who looks that low in their bathroom!

[@huyked]

God, watching this with the mosquitos made me cringe. I HATE mosquitos!

[@ronh90]

Now, that’s English luxury!

[@TheIronSnail]

Couldn't agree more!

[@videogamesare1]

hahaha the Goretex insanity rant

[@SCRPYTHELORD]

Richard

[@TheIronSnail]

So call me Richard

[@fenakazy1215]

I want some of that twenty thousand mem em

[@TheIronSnail]

Don't we all!

[@Errcyco]

I’ve been using nothing but H2NO for a decade. It’s great stuff and the jackets don’t wear out. I have a 3-layer jacket and it was $200 The 2-layer Gore-Tex can be found for $200 but the 3-layer stuff will be closer to $500 than $200 😢 And I’d only use the new Gore-Tex ePE stuff that biodegrades eventually. For every hundred dollars it should last 5 years lol.

[@gotthefeelin]

Insane in the membrane, insane in the brain.

[@sacramentofoodforest]

Holy pfa

[@leejuhsu]

lols for mosquitoes!

[@nadsim154]

Dude, that mosquito stayed a long time on your face !

[@actingdude3066]

Dude I love you what the hell

[@TheIronSnail]

Bahaha ty!

[@Soloseas]

Funny.

[@Vwall007ST]

🦟 👌

[@TheIronSnail]

We hate them

[@gregeberhardt1711]

Get a Thermacell…..

[@rubberlover666]

Guh!!! I would have ran to my car and done the rest of the review there. Goddamn do I also hate bugs!!

[@TheIronSnail]

Honestly nothing worse in the entire universe than some big bugs

[@thndr_5468]

Gore-Tex is overpriced and not worth the name brand

[@franzb69]

goretex goes to shit after a year so no.

[@zeez9053]

It’s just the water repellent spray

[@dBsdecibels]

@@zeez9053 Yep. You need to frequently reapply the DWR coating, especially if you wear a pack during use.

[@zeez9053]

@@dBsdecibels True

[@TheIronSnail]

What these people said!