DIFFERENT BREED!!😲 New formula 1 fans first time reacting to Group B: When Rallying Got TOO FAST

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

Rally is a race against time in set stages. Group B was so insane that those cars back in the 80s were pushing 600 HP. When Group B was finally banned because of so many deaths, rally cars were limited to 300 HP until they were raised to 380 HP back in 2019 (if I'm not mistaken). There were actually plans for a class above Group B called Group S which produced prototypes like the Lancia ECV with over 800 HP.

[@mpainter22]

The group A cars in the late 90's were pushing 400 hp on the dyno, but were being held back once in the car, I'm assuming you know about the legendary Toyota celica cheat from 1995?

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

@@mpainter22 yeah the one that handed McRae the championship.

[@W1interWolf]

380 HP spec WRC cars were introduced in 2017. This year new regulations were introduced and rallying went hybrid keeping the same 380 HP internal combustion engines but adding a plug in hybrid unit. Supposedly those 2 combined develop over 500 HP but it is only used in short bursts during acceleration.

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

@@W1interWolf yeah I wasn't sure of the year.

[@2gj906]

Even on the WRC era that rally cars were on paper making 300 hp the torque was suspiciously high in the likes of 50+kg for the kind of horsepower these cars were pushing.

[@x340x]

also interesting fact, one of the best women drivers of all time (and probably one of the best drivers of all time in general) Michelle Mouton was driving for Audi in Group B.

[@pranc236]

She is the female goat without a doubt. Also only woman to win at pikes peak. She set a record in that audi but it was beat the very next year by another audi driver.

[@cinyarko]

She also won the prototype class at 1975 24 hrs of Le Mans, together with Christine Dacremont and Marianne Hoepfner. An all-female driver team won their class at Le Mans long before it was woke and cool. One of the reasons that they won? Michelle kept driving on slicks in rain despite her pit asking her to come for wets.

[@CrazyhorseDK]

a legend

[@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you]

Ah, the good old days of Group B Rally, when drivers were crazy, engineers were mad, and spectators were stupid.

[@Meinalptraum]

the prime years of rally

[@MasterMind3508]

and now , the engineers are mad for other thing but the rest still the same xD

[@tomsoyer5639]

Own risk. They are adults.

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

I loved it, but thinking about the value of my own life i understand the safety conserns. I think its crazy how spectators stood in the outside curves.

[@whoyell2888]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGSQgWiBZ6d2obM Comment from driver whose death ended Group B. Leading with over 1min.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

Rally is a "time trial" race so it's just one car going through a section at a time and the fast time wins. There is a similar sport called Rallycross though, which is multiple cars at once, which you might enjoy.

[@tihomirrasperic]

I watched a rally that ended with a gap of 12 seconds between the winner and the sixth place after the last stage of that rally a whole week of pushing through forests and bad roads, and everyone was less than a minute behind the winner

[@cinyarko]

You guys should to a reaction to a Michele Mouton next. Woman group B driver that missed out on the WRC title just by being unlucky. Purely on pace she was right up there with WRC legends (Blomqvist, Röhrl etc) of that time. Josh Revell made a pretty good video about her.

[@PresidentScrooge]

Good times when there wasnt any quota needed. If you got the skills, you got the driver. If not, then not.

[@madselmvig1457]

@@PresidentScrooge What are you blabbing about, there is no quota in Rally, never has been and never will be. Also if you think that "if your good enough, then all is fine" you clearly knows nothing of Mouton and the BS she had to go through.

[@PresidentScrooge]

@@madselmvig1457 I didnt say that there was a quota in Rally. I meant it in general about quotas undermining the achievements of women. Including having extra Formula championships for women only and a forced spot for a female driver in F1 youth academies.

[@Technolifter]

The Audi engineers found fingers in the body work after stages....

[@paulcaswell2813]

Peugeot too...

[@siloPIRATE]

In rally you have a driver and a co driver. The co driver reads out what's called pace notes, they're the directions for the track and it can include stuff like don't cut the corner or if the next bit is going to change from dirt to tarmac

[@Marc-so2cd]

More commonly called a time attack where the driver who completes the circuit in the fastest time wins. It's decided through what's called 'stages' or checkpoints and when the 2nd car goes he has to get through these checkpoints in a faster time to take the lead.

[@exoterric]

Sup speed nerds. Y'all got a classic. Listen for that inline 5 and blowoff chittering on the Quattro. Gives me chills

[@LustyyOG]

a rally event consists of multiple stages lets say 12. each one starts with 1 driver going at a time and then they wait a couple minutes and then let the next guy go. there are times where a driver catches up to the car infront and thats why u might see 2 rally cars racing its just cuz the guy infront was too slow. so each stage is timed and at the end of all the stages the drivers are ranked by time and the driver with the lowest total time wins the event. and its like f1 where 1st -10th place get points. and its a season with many events so at the end the driver and team with the most points win the championship .

[@asjaosaline5987]

Mostly they have 18 stahes or something sometimes even 22-23 stages.

[@Stinoo_93]

The World Rally Championship takes place in different countries with different surfaces to drive on. The points system works as follows: Each country where the race takes place has 8-12 or more stages. In these stages you have to try to get from point A to B as quickly as possible. At the end of all these stages, the person with the least overall time wins. This is how the points are distributed for the World Rally Championship. About the same as F1 points distribution in any Grand Prix.

[@mahoney2002]

A Car is only then fast, when you have fear to unlock it! Walter Röhrl

[@gotaytaygo1]

So stoked y’all featured Group B Rally!! Growing up in the US as a massive rally fan in the 90’s, it was SO difficult to watch races. I still don’t know why tally racing isn’t the most popular sport in the world. You guys HAVE to check out “Max Attack rally Finland 2021” videos. For 2022, WRC has had the three rally car manufacturers develop brand new hybrid motors, thus making the cars in 2022 totally new & a lot of kinks to get worked out-still amazing though! 2021, there was a rawness that 2022 hasn’t quite matched yet, but great things are ahead for WRC (World Rally Championship)! Stay frosty, gents.

[@davidwarren1048]

Rally racing is a race on public roads from one point to another. Cars were released in stages. A car was released at 8:00 and the next was released at 8:03 for example. The race is a race against time, not other cars per se. The team with the fastest time between stages wins. The Paris to Dakar Africa takes place over 2 weeks with each stage between 500 to 560 miles per day.

[@americanheretic4315]

Try looking at the Isle of mann TT. Motorcycle road races on regular roads shut down for the timed race.

[@AARONANKRUM]

Each car had a drive and navigator. The navigator, using info from practice runs, had a plan that he called out to the driver of when to turn, how much to turn and what was coming next. It was constant narrative. It was almost like the driver could be blindfolded while responding to navigator's inputs.

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

few years back i bought a couple old group b rally cars, fully restored them, and now have one for daily driving, and one for fun

[@panamafloyd1469]

Rallies are held on country-ass public roads that are closed for the event. Positions are determined by the stopwatch, since the roads are too narrow to start more than one car at a time (usually a minute or two between when the cars leave the starting line). Thing about Group B was that we never thought the rules *anywhere* (especially in the World Championship!) would never let anybody build cars with so much power. Think of it as kind of like Group C sportscars on dirt? Companies certainly spent that kind of money building those things. I have to admit..as much as I bitch about how I'm aging - I'm happy that I actually got to see those fucking things when they were new. Cheers to you gentlemen, keep it coming! How about some stuff about club racing? Here in the US, our clubs are just about people who'd rather do proper motor racing instead of ovals or drags. No individual clubs about marque or displacement size.

[@Bob10009]

“The dirt pile is little” those are roads dude. 😂

[@powerbcm]

Group B = Real man

[@jeffrichards1537]

Group B was created for people who had more balls than brains. Thought I can tame this beast of a car and track. And tried to do it. Awesome drivers.

[@markogronfors3826]

Like Henri Toivonen i suppose

[@nicholasgill8066]

2 ppl dont control the car there's 1 driver and a co driver that reads pace notes

[@toomasargel8503]

01:26 Rally takes place every wher .On Tarmac , on hills, ongravel on ice ,on snow even some deep puddle and muddy curves are there. on villages and even city street stages are in rally.

[@jash1281]

Takes place on temporary closed public roads

[@dunsonhouse]

Thank you for the comment my guy

[@CaptianInternet]

3 of us are high man. And 2 of them are you guys.Love it! Great content! Ill check some more of your videos.

[@Scoobydcs]

rally drivers are the best drivers in the world

[@oftengone]

Y'all gotta watch Rallycross.

[@berounmv7024]

These cars are highly modified versions of classic road cars such as Toyota, Peugeot, Ford, Skoda, Citroen, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, etc. They are equipped with a roll cage and are one of the safest cars on the planet. They have racing seats and a five-point seat belt. Sometimes up to seven-point. Despite this fact, serious accidents can occur. Craig Breen died in 2023 during tests for Rally Croatia. However, such serious accidents are exceptional. It just might happen. They are equipped with powerful engines and those from the WRC1 class even with a hybrid drive, which gives them more energy when accelerating. WRC1 cars (in this year it is Toyota Yaris WRC, Ford Puma WRC and Hyundai i20 WRC) each have over 500 horsepower in the sum of the outputs of both engines. All Rally1 cars are fitted with 100kW plug-in hybrid units that produce over 500 horsepower when combined with the 1.6 litre internal combustion engine. The crews deploy the additional electrical energy through an automatic system dictated by pre-programmed engine maps. Unlike Rally1, Rally2 lacks an electric motor and uses only a 1.6-liter turbocharged engine. Rally is time trial. They race on closed public roads in all conditions, that is also in the rain, then in the heat, winter, at night, in the fog. As for surfaces, all imaginable surfaces such as asphalt, gravel, mud, snow and ice. During the Kenya Safari Rally, they drive through the savanna, where sometimes there is more sand on the road than the road itself. We must not forget the encounters with wild animals, I remember shots where giraffes ran across the track in Kenya, or moose in Finland. Rally Finland is famous for its jumps and for being the fastest rally on the calendar. That is, when it comes to average speed. In 2016, Kris Meeke with his Citroen DS3 WRC had an average speed of 126.62 km/h for the entire rally. That's the most according to the table I found. However, this is only the average speed, not the maximum speed. Rally cars are limited to 200 km/h. Two people sit in each car - a driver and a co-driver. The driver has a clear task, the co-driver reads the pacenotes of the individual stages. He will write them at the moment when all the crews have the opportunity to drive each stage in a civilian car before the start of the rally itself and write down everything they need. During the race, the co-driver constantly informs the driver about the following turns, jumps, distances, but also about whether he can "cut" the turn or whether he should drive through it in the middle of the road. Although it may not seem like it, the co-driver is at least as important a person as the driver. Thanks to co-driver, the driver knows what awaits him around the next bend and can drive partially blind, he does not have to wait until he sees it himself. For example, with jumps, mainly in Finland, thanks to notes from the co-driver, the driver learns which corner follows immediately after the jump and turns the car in that direction already during the run-up to the jump. Without it, he would break down very often. As an example of such pacenotes I give this here: 30, 4 left, 50 big jump to 5 right cut, crest, 80 to herpin left, 100, unseen square right, finish, 60 to stop. 30, 60 atc means the distance on a straight line in meters. The numbers before the turns indicate their sharpness. 6 can be driven at full throttle, 1 is the sharpest right after herpin right/left. Each surface has its advantages and disadvantages. The snow in Sweden has the advantage that it also creates barriers against which the car can lean and thus prevent a major accident. However, if he drives into it quickly, he can get bogged down and either just waste time, or worse, have to quit. Gravel and dirt have the advantage that you can drift well on them, but compared to snow and ice, the car holds harder. This is because special narrow tires with studs are used for snow, which paradoxically give the best grip on the snow and the car is the best to control. But these nails are destroyed on roads without snow and ice. When it's wet on gravel, it's muddy, so it slows down. or when it is quite dry, but there is really a lot of it, including sand. Check out some Safari rally videos and you'll see what I mean in some footage. On the tarmac, there the car holds good, has good grip, but when it is wet, it slides. And as we verified during the Rally Central Europe, when the tarmac is wet and there are also fallen leaves on it, it's a killer combination. Check Esapekka Lappi crash on 2023 Central European Rally. The cost of a Rally1 car is close to €1 million, while Rally2 cars are capped at approximately €200,000. Of course, the weaker the car, the cheaper it is. A Peugeot 208 Rally4 can cost much less, now in a quick search I found one already ready for racing for 73,200 euros. So the prices vary a lot. On the other hand, the Audi Quattro S1, the legendary Group B car, costs around €2 - 2.5 million. According to the order of the individual rallies during the year, both last year and this year they are Monte-Carlo (Monaco, but not like F1 in the city, it is raced in the mountains), Sweden, Mexico, Croatia, Portugal, Sardinia (Italy), Kenya, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Chile, Central Europe (Czech Republic, Germany, Austria) and finally Japan.

[@amirplot]

No doubt the rally drivers are the best in world! it's crazy how close they are to peoples and animals in the video and no one gets hurt.

[@boze77wolf]

Not in the video but in real life sometimes cars endup killing spectators. Sometimes they misjudge a corner and end up flying into the crowd.

[@ristusnotta1653]

check out some rally cockpit view video

[@jamielonsdale3018]

Group B... B for Bonkers

[@Little_Alesi]

These guys even understand, what they are looking at. "one driver, one navigate!" Good night

[@Flamebeard0815]

'Looks like they could kill someone...!' They sure did, drivers and specators alike. It wasn't too uncommon to collect body parts (mostly fingers) out of the huge air vents at the end of a stage.

[@gerbentvandeveen]

Each car starts alone. And then the time is recorded.

[@DrMcKay66]

Im so happy that i have seen this live when it happend in the 80,s 😂😂😂

[@andershagstrom437]

My dad has been in the rallye business since the late 60's asked Björn Waldegård (I think) what do you do when people are on the road? I am breaking. And then asked Walter Rörhl the same. I am flooring it!

[@williamoates2328]

I think one of the criteria for original rally was that the course is not a race track. The course was all ways on existing roads and tracks thru the country side if europe. That way people from the little villages, simply closed the roads and waited for the race to roll thru. True community sport!

[@matatheo14]

Audi was like 1000kg and 550 hp crazy

[@ZoZooZoooZoxxxx]

Finally hahaha Ya mon thats real driving hahaha

[@dimitrijensk2845]

2:20 rally drivers and their fans are a different breed

[@davenunn7259]

Ford had what they thought would be a Group B legion, the RS200. It was due to debut until the group was dropped. There are still a few about if you have a spare £300k. The Road version was the tamed down RS2000

[@Sharpey187]

The RS200 was the car that crashed into the spectators, injuring & killing some, you could get a road version of it, the RS2000’s are the fast Ford Escort’s

[@DaSoda70]

The thing about the RS200 is that it really was going to be the next big thing, they just didn't have time to work out its kinks. The remainders that got sold off absolutely dominated the RX scene.

[@cirrustate8674]

Rally isn't the same a circuit racing. You're not directly racing against other drivers in rally. You're racing to set stage times, and whomever completes the stage the quickest wins the stage. While there is more than one car on the track at a time, they've had staggered starts, so they don't interfere with each other, at least not normally.

[@oftengone]

I'm glad you guys chose this video. Driver61 is valid

[@noize7932]

group b was SICK

[@valtzuuu]

Boys like F1 Mans like Rallly

[@module79l28]

FYI, it wasn't a men's sport, there was one female driver in Group B (Michèle Mouton) and a few female navigators, one of them Michèle's navigator.

[@dunsonhouse]

Thank you my guy sorry about that

[@module79l28]

@@dunsonhouse - No need to apologise, I wasn't telling you off, far from that! It was just some useful information but it also might have been a "hint" for you guys to check out the video about Michèle's career on Group B. 😉

[@hightie1]

They even had a crew taking care of the mechanichs after each race because sometimes they would find fingers from the spectators stuck on the cars. PTSD.

[@daveofyorkshire301]

This isn't new it started way back in 1911 (Monte Carlo Rally). In the 60's the tiny Mini Cooper was winning at rallying... Watch some of the older ones and see if you recognise any of the cars...

[@emiltackman8285]

they go "alone" on the stages, the race the clock in different stages as its called.

[@joethakidddhk83]

it is a race but against time...the one that beats the time wins thats why every car is on a different track

[@elusivent]

Im loving learning about F1 with you guys! But y'all still gotta react to that what if Messi and Ronaldo played together, it's a treat for you and mookie!

[@toomasargel8503]

09:56 Yes think that time was NOT GPS but co-driver like in purpel T -shirt mister and if he make mistake and say wrong or even miss notes one curbe then is crash quarntied !

[@dasousa268]

Keep going mookie , apreciated it

[@ellinar1]

Check out sidecar racing guys, some of the craziest things you'll ever see on a track

[@RoverWaters]

the 1983 winning Lancia 037 had well over 300HP

[@dunsonhouse]

Crazy fast man

[@oftengone]

In Rally there is the driver and the co driver, who gives directions

[@legotechnictrains8999]

Wooshhhh

[@mlit83]

Rally is set on stages in normal roads or dirt roads.

[@dunsonhouse]

Appreciate the comment

[@diogovanravan5241]

Just this weekend, in Madeira Island (Portugal) a rally car ran over a little girl (8 years old) who was crossing the street in the middle of the rally :(

[@jeffrichards1537]

Ralley racing isn't about beating someone on track at same time. Its can you run same track faster than everyone else.

[@Obi-J]

"They ain't got no guard rails!" Me: "yeah, now you're gonna see how that turned out."

[@richardeycken]

Group B was effectively Formula 1 in the forest. Utterly mad, but amazing,

[@Moremusic-less-war]

Hey almost 80k subs keep frosty guys

[@CaptianInternet]

Group B overtaking rules 101 - If you can catch up to the guy in front of you, you have to pass somehow to overtake. On those streets that basically means you either drive all the way behind him and will not be able to gain more minutes on the scoreboard, or you hunt him that close that he, one of the best drivers ever, will drive himself to death. Which is in itself a risky thing to do. Just imagine to try to hunt ken block on roads like that to make a mistake before you do.

[@thamystico4037]

WRC Rally Finland 2021 - MAX ATTACK

[@Swedje]

Great video's guys. keep up the work!

[@sv5edits674]

2:28 there were some deaths in this era of rally that's why it was banned in 1986

[@judyparsons1333]

They would have been better keeping spectators back than making the race more safe these guys have got guts they know the risks why take that away from them.

[@sirsancti5504]

Rallie is a time trial/time attack race.

[@jdkingsley6543]

People forget how wild the automotive engineering was back in the 80s and 90s. Them boys gave zero fks. Lmao

[@edcavanaugh9507]

Somewhat related, you may wish to check out the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. It's held in Colorado, up to the top of Pike's Peak. A video of the danger in it can be found at kzbin.info/www/bejne/qquQfZ-ol5p5gMU

[@lazios]

Rally are races on roads (obviously pre-established before and closed to traffic) against time (who takes less time wins). I simplified a lot, there are many other rules but (who want) can go online (Wikipedia or WRC site) and get info (sorry for eng).

[@KarILsson]

3:10 13:01 Rally Portugal one of the worse rallys when it comes to lack of spectaror control in the Group B era and was a additional reason to fatal accidents group B was banned by FIA in 87. I realy miss group B and my fav rally car of all times Audi Sport Quattro S1E2 :)

[@vintageman91]

They where rather boxy or wedgeshaped because they where designed in the 70s and 80s/ used in the 80s.

[@ruxxie]

check first person view... without a navigator it would be madness.. let me get it straight... it is still PURE madness... just watch it .. or walter röhlr foot work .. MADNESS

[@Batbat-df4qd]

Rally has around 8 stages per rally and the person with the quickest time combined with all eight stages wins the rally

[@W1interWolf]

really depends on the event for WRC make it more like to 18 or 20 for locals rally sprints 8 sounds about right

[@DrMcKay66]

When group B was at its best there could be 50 stages in one rally. Talk about crazy times back in the 80,s.

[@cadabraaa6828]

React to hillclimb monsters car, they are veeeeryyyy faaassttt and is similar to rally, but in highway

[@netron66]

in rally race they are not racing face to face, they are racing against time performance in challenging track

[@ErnestoBrausewind]

To quote Michéle Mouton: You had to be on the absolute limit and when you make a mistake at least 20 people are dead.

[@kellymorley8225]

All over the world in the forest It's against the clock one at a time.

[@awhllie]

There is rally all over the world. I compete within the US in the ARA (American Rally Association) and NASA rally sport (North American Sporting Association Rally Sport) championships. Basically every country on earth have a championship somewhere. If you wanna find any events near y’all, look at the ARA championship!

[@regfenster]

That is true today, but US motorsport was more or less oval based racing during the Grp B era. Rally sport is relatively new to North America when compared to its history across Europe. This is more or less due to different car cultures between our continents. America built her cities more or less around Cars, hence the grid design of the big metropolis areas, this meant large wide lanes and large wide cars to suit. Europe's car industry has to contend with roads and cities that in some instant are a thousand years old, therefore cars are more compact to reflect their surroundings, with also a lot of the twisty bends handling was of paramount importance as well, thus the cars of Europe were more suited to time trial events through challenging roads. You will never see a period American manufactured car compete on the brown stuff in Europe during the Grp A/WRC era. It is good to watch American visitors to the UK take on what we call a B road, I drive on B roads most days in Dorset on the south coast, some of these roads were laid by the Romans over 2 thousand years ago, I do this in an 18 ton 30ft by 9ft wide truck daily. Not to say that American cars did not have success in Europe, the 1960's duels between 1000cc Mini Coopers and the relatively compact Ford Mustangs with their big V8's is amazing to watch and still takes place today across the UK, the Mini smokes the Mustang on the twisty bits but on the straights its all about the Ford, well worth a watch.

[@EbizzerHH]

These cars are farther away from Nascars then the earth is from the sun! ^^

[@tigerpaws77]

the rallies are time trials, so once car goes at a time and your trying to get the fastest time

[@avfc594]

Can't watch this just for the intro yo-yo.

[@TonyMorelli-em3ie]

yo yo yo yall should check out rock bouncer crash complations their incredible

[@swemx7403]

You seriously though rally was a little trick show? A stunt? Man what rock did you sleep under?

[@paulhaywood8439]

Were you listening to the engine sizes.no 7.0s here I am old enough i walked 5 miles each way to watch them to perform in 1985 worth every step

[@gcKukie]

You guys should check out Nitro Rallycross

[@davidwarren1048]

Watch the pikes peak hill climb. It’s insane

[@DoubleMonoLR]

It was a whole lot better before they sealed the road though.

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

Bring back group B!

[@GraysonTheGoalie]

Winner was determined by whoever get the Fastest time during each stage.

[@mpainter22]

If you want to how fast a car will go around a circuit, ask a F1 driver, if you want to know how fast a can will go, ask a rally driver

[@alouisschafer7212]

The modern WRC Cars are even faster and the drivers go 10x harder they are not afraid of anything since the cars are so strong and there is more safety.

[@juliangarcia3082]

lo que hacen es como en las contrareloj de ciclismo, salen con una diferencia de tiempo y quien hace mejor tiempo se pone primero, en la siguiente carrer se hace igual, y se van sumando las diferencias

[@kf5op]

OUNINPOHJA!💓

[@mopadrider6012]

Evry time i see americans that never saw group b rally i think how can that be rally is like well known motorsport

[@kellymorley8225]

If you go to morale do not stand on the outside of the corner or you will get sprayed with rocks and dirt the best place to be is on the inside if you don't want to get sprayed

[@marcsymington4061]

Rally is in stages and each stage is in a different country

[@matsv201]

One thing with Rally (at least in the olden time) was that the car had to be street legal, becasue they was forced to drive on public roads like any other vehicle between timed tracks. Typically each show would have between 5 and 10 timed tracks, and the cars simply drive from one to a other. In the really olden day, they even drive between the different places.

[@marcstafanov8431]

Its the same thing today actually they always had to be street legal no Matter If it was in the 90s,2000s,2010s or the 2020s sorry for the late reply btw

[@matsv201]

@@marcstafanov8431 well yes, but that is difrent to pretty much any other motor sport.

[@marcstafanov8431]

@@matsv201 true wrc is one of the only motorsports where the the car has to be street legal

[@jwinsousa6488]

Most of this footages are in Portugal

[@iEagle2k]

you should react to max attack of new generatio rally to see the diffrence in cars and speed