Digital Devil Saga: Huang Long (and Titania Farming)

[@NicoTheCinderace]

"Do you resist death? Evidently not, Goodbye." That made me laugh

[@forgives12]

Lmao

[@BigKlingy]

DeathFlies.avi

[@EmperorSephirothII]

With the amount of Titanias consumed in this video, all I can think about is Oberon off in the corner crying as he wastes all his fairy money at a Build-A-Titania machine to replace the ones that have been eaten.

[@BigKlingy]

Okay lol that's amazing.

[@thrasher698]

HUANG LONG GAMING. Celestial Ray is a cool spell visually, and is actually my preferred Almighty option for HIM over Fire of Sinai. Very thoughtful of the game to put multiple field hunts in the final dungeon for you to grind out endgame mantras in. This is not a luxury afforded to you in the sequel and is the reason why I have never maxed out the DDS2 Mantra grid to this day.

[@BigKlingy]

To be fair, most things are preferred over Fire of Sinai since it's too random. And oh right, yeah the lack of field hunts in 2's final dungeon is... a thing. I'm not even sure where people usually grind. At least that game has an extra AP boost skill, Atma Premium.

[@oberon_relic1161]

Your playthrough of p3 fes is what got me into persona and smt as a whole, I wish more of the old games got a modern release

[@BigKlingy]

I'm glad to be of service there. And yeah, I'd like to see a DDS re-release.

[@rfmerrill]

I assume "rookie" means someone who was just "born". Could that imply that all of these superbosses are the result of the junkyard going haywire after you killed Ananta?

[@BigKlingy]

A "rookie" starting out this strong would DEFINITELY be a sign of the Junkyard freaking out.

[@rfmerrill]

Always a good rule of thumb to have your ailment-resistant character in the first slot, so they can heal the other two before their turns are wasted. Also, the ailment priority kind of makes sense in that a persistent ailment always overrides a temporary one. Otherwise, if for example charm overrode mute, you could go into a battle muted, get charmed and then be cured when the battle is over.

[@BigKlingy]

Or in the case of Demi-Fiend, just have Salvation on everyone. Just in case. And yes, this seems to be true. Also explains why Me Patra only cures the temporary ailments.

[@corpussakahagi2116]

One interesting detail is that Huang Long does not have a phase where he super-absorbs Electric skills, so although it won't do much damage to him, Ziodyne can be used to reliably deal damage to him unless he's in either his Force phase or his defensive phase, which nulls everything INCLUDING Almighty.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

One of the most consistently tough bosses in the series. There's always at least one boss tougher, but they're flavor of the month. Huang Long is always there, always requiring full elemental coverage both attack and defense-wise.

[@BigKlingy]

I'm actually not aware of any other game he's fought in besides SMTV. In my view, Beelzebub and Metatron are more consistent superbosses.

[@SpeechlessWolf]

Obligatory Huang Long Gaming mention~

[@solidseagull4062]

Huang Long Gaming~

[@BigKlingy]

Looking it up, seems to be a meme channel.

[@jaffinator2166]

@@BigKlingyyup it’s a meme channel who’s commonly referenced in Megaten challenge runs

[@Cyberspace318]

0:06 I agree, this song is great! 0:30 Yay, we're rich! 3:42 Oh no, I'm getting flashbacks to the Elizabeth fight in P3R... 5:15 Yeah, at this point, you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Cielo's weakness to ailments really isn't that bad. 5:28 Victory Cry, my beloved! 6:58 So, not only can Serph nuke things into oblivion, he can now survive being hit by a nuke. 15:21 REVENGE!!! 19:11 Which I'm pretty sure is also the inspiration for The Immaculate One in Three Houses. 22:16 Woah, that's a lot of health! 33:17 Wait, WHAT!?!?!? That's not something you see everyday in an SMT game! 34:45 Other people have pointed this out to you before, but it's MakAnda, not MakUnda. 40:57 Oh boy... I can't believe I'm saying this, but YHVH help us all.

[@BigKlingy]

5:28 Victory Cry is a cooler name, imo. 34:45 It's such a rare spell in the series, which is why I mispronounce it I guess. 40:57 Even YHVH is scared of that guy.

[@ikhwananimationsbeyondweeb4528]

18:34 "Are you the strongest tribe because of your leadership or is your leadership because of your strongest tribe?" 18:48 **Rolling Eyes Fall Down The Dragon Wall starts playing** Fitting how this Dragon also switch his styles. He sure is Gyokuza: Like a Dragon

[@BigKlingy]

18:48 Actually yeah, that really fits. (Wish Majima in LaD switched stances)

[@Paws42]

So I hadn't actually done the Huang Long fight until this video. Last year I started a new game plus run, did all the optional bosses except Huang Long because the wall pullies just broke my soul Now I just beat him, and all I have left is HIM... And the tedious grind to even have a shot at him...

[@TheJaredPunch]

Kohryu is a Persona I will always associate with Yu Narukami more than any other protagonist. The Persona 5 Royal DLC boss fight cemented this for me.

[@B_A-tr]

I remember a scene from the persona 4 anime where yu fights margrets helel with huang long

[@TheJaredPunch]

@@B_A-tr definitely. It’s the last Persona Yu uses in that fight before reawakening to Izanagi.

[@BigKlingy]

Because of Dojima and Nanako, yeah. Although it's for maxing Sojiro in P5 and has amazing Technical damage.

[@SaXor_the_Nobody]

AFAIK the first Barrier Change boss was Hyne in NES Final Fantasy 3 (where it was known as Barrier Change), he was built to make you want to use scholars to analyze him for the weakness. It’s an interesting question though.

[@BigKlingy]

I technically own FF3's pixel remaster, I should play it sometime. But I feel like Magus in Chrono Trigger probably popularized it.

[@Sean_Bird]

Time for one more post-game opponent. 7:01 Serph's strength is rising... it's overflowing! 7:51 Now I want CDI SMT. 11:24 Important note: The Repelephant does not fear death. 15:45 Well, I guess that was the best time for it to happen. 22:07 Comedic timing at its finest.

[@B_A-tr]

7:51 medicine, patra gems, fire juwels? Theyre yours, my friend, so long as you have enough macca 11:24 the seargent talked it out of them

[@BigKlingy]

7:51 ............this is cursed but amazing. 11:24 But that won't stop the Almighty damage.

[@cartooncritic7045]

I'm a big fan of the Huang Long/Kohryu fight in this game. Him and the four beasts are demons I've always liked to use in this series but Huang Long himself doesn't usually get a lot of spotlight in MegaTen games, so this fight with him was fun to discover. I also think the fight's mechanics are really interesting, even if it does require a *bit* of metagame knowledge to not make it too frustrating. I think it also helps that, unlike a certain NG+ exclusive boss, this guy will basically always be your final challenge in a fresh file of DDS1 so if you just want to play the game from scratch again without needing to worry about NG+ prep, he's basically the only real superboss you get, and IMO he's a pretty fun one so it works out.

[@BigKlingy]

I agree, this is a good fight. He's also a quest boss in V but by the time you're strong enough to fight him he tends to be pathetic, at least to me.

[@TheJaredPunch]

Shoji Meguro is goated 15:51 Oof

[@shadowblade1431]

GO STRATA-DRAGOON GREATTTTT CUUUUTTERRRRRR!!!!!!!! Phew been holding that one in for two parts I’m good now!!

[@DiegoG2004]

Onwards to fight a fellow gamer. 0:00 ...someone should clean the floor. If they even know what that is. 1:49 Time to eat a lot of fairies. 3:43 Megidolaon jumpscare! (thankfully it's not 9999 Megidolaon) 5:02 To be honest, he kinda does *need* that for Kohryu if he's going to be the one who clicks Salvation. 6:00 Good old Omnipotent Orb. 6:58 And his other stats do not exist. 7:32 But who needs the other stats when we have *death* 8:16 Funny death move 9:05 Now do they die from death or do they die from damage? We'll never know, but what matters is that they died. 10:12 Haven't played but you'd probably either just send everyone into the good path or make each character go through a separate route, essentially doing the other sphere grid except you got to choose who goes where. 11:40 Perfect strategy, works every time. 18:16 Also some weird music and pixelate editing. 18:47 You don't get to see his legs very often i don't think. There they are, almost touching the background. 19:15 Love that last move's name. 20:48 Blarg! 22:15 He healed as much as the damage of the super boss delete move. 22:38 One nasty thing he can do (and might do bc 22k hp is a lot of hp) is Mind Charge into gamer rage mode. 28:58 No, because you got hit by a Sukunda a few turns ago. 29:32 They tend to be optional bosses too. With the one exception being Magus and he thankfully never changes into an element you can't hit. 30:19 ...or not. 31:17 He's activated gamer rage mode. And fittingly he's weak to everything. 33:08 And after gamer rage he does his best Luigi impression. Which is very good. 34:02 Ah he's going back to rage mode. Must be playing a very frustrating game. 36:58 Resist Almighty, yay. 37:12 You now heal from getting punched in the face. 39:53 You get to show the Junkyard the power of friendship and these guns we found. While saying lol to Jinana's boss fight. Next time, a Pokemon trainer except he's plenty capable of murder by himself.

[@jaredfayette2567]

5:41- Yeah, so long as you know what aliments you need to cover for him, he should be good. The only issue would be if a dungeon pretty had all/most of the aliments in one place, which I don't think we've seen(?). 8:01- Still BigKlingy/10 Voice Acting. 16:38- I figured as much after Sera override them during her climb up. That said, still want to know why we get AP from them; The party can't be THAT desperate to eat metal, right? 18:31- Oh, I love how they make use of his design by having him coil himself around that pillar. Very DBZ with some poses Shenron takes after he gets summoned. 21:58- Wait a minute... Oh dear, this fight is the return of the Noah Boss Battle of Nocturne with that! 25:53- The only game where Salvation doesn't cure aliments is IVA, but only if you're not smirking when you're using it (which makes that skill suck so much and I think people prefer running Mediaharan and AoE Status Curing moves instead). 26:17- Let's not encourage Atlus to make more boss with Almighty Regular attacks since the last time they did... *Cue TDE Lucifer constantly critting* It caused problems... Xp 34:35- Yeah going off my earlier remark, this seems like the Noah fight, but more fun. 35:54- Didn't think I would hear "ganked" in a non-Dark Souls context. 39:57- Wait that's a thing and they only give it to you for NG+?! While I know most cases don't need human form, but I feel like there were some cases in this game where that would have been nice to have. 41:15- Oh boy... It's finally time to face him... In other news, I'm also prepping to fight him as I return to Vengeance. Since I have now elected to do the new cheese Strat again, the grinding I have to do is a lot less draining than it was in base V (only maybe like 4-6 hours of grinding in Vengeance versus the 24 I put in the OG). However, I still have to grind. Not for levels as I have any level grinding matters sorted (just did so right after this video finished in fact), but with money. Going to need A LOT of Macca, both for fusing key demons that I still need as well as resummoning all of the demons I need for this fight. Also taking a gamble since I can't do the exact method, but I am going to be trusting a commenter in a similar spot to me who talked about an altercation they made to the Strat for it to work. Hopes all of this pays off.

[@BerserkerRohan]

It does require looking up what encounters you are running across but covering Cielo's ailment weakness shouldn't be too hard. The material they are made out of is some weird metal/meat hybrid. Kohryu always looks pretty cool. His fight is pretty cool for the hardest optional boss outside of NG+. It reminds me of Kaiser Dragon in Final Fantasy 6 who is a pretty rough super boss in his own right. You can't always rely on smirking so Salvation probably feels like a waste of MP to use. It is nice for the Omoikane and gun weak enemies but outside of that, demon form is probably getting the job done. Best of luck with the grinding and I hope the strategy also works for you as well. As for myself, I finished the Fuji 1000km which was interesting since the AI didn't have the race pace to break away from 2nd place but was able to maintain the lead somewhat well so when it was time for me to finish the race, he still kept a 2 lap lead and then I could add on to that in the final stint. After 5 hours, it was done and after using the Nissan R92CP to beat another R92CP for the win, I get another R92CP for winning but this one is new so it has the regular livery over my all black one. I have also prepared for the next endurance race which is the Suzuka 1000km but the opponents this time mainly use JGTC cars as well some other touring cars so this endurance is going to take longer as a result as well, around 6 hours maybe. The car I chose was my reward from the All Japan GT Championship which is the JGTC Motul Pitwork Z which is one of the better JGTC cars in this game so should be a good choice for this endurance especially with the overpowered tune I have prepared so hopefully it will be a comfortable race. Me and my brother also started another Castle Crashers run and we reached the half way point and it seems like Green Knight might be better than I remembered, or me not being a pro has something to do with that. I also finished another manga series in Car Graffiti JK which was an alright series where some school girls have some fun in a car club and I liked the chapter where they watched a F1 race in the final volume. One final thing to mention was my brother went on a power trip of his own today with Hitman since a fun Easter egg in Colorado is that you can shoot four bells with a sniper rifle and if you do that while wearing the scarecrow disguise, you become the Wicker Man and burn anyone close by and my brother burnt the vast majority of enemies in the level which was very fun to watch.

[@jaredfayette2567]

@@BerserkerRohan True. Granted it does mean making the best use of him requires some game knowledge that might not be as obvious if a player is going through the game blind, but not it's impossible to learn how to fix his weaknesses. Kohryu's often really cool whenever he appears. Also the Kaiser Dragon... That's the one added in the GBA version of the game that a NPC begs you to avoid fighting at all costs, right? In IVA, you can rely more on smirking because of Smile Charge, BUT the reason why that fact sucks is if you're statused yourself, you can't get a smirk. What that means is that the time you want to pop salvation the most, for you need to cure a sudden wave of status effects onto of healing, you can't do since the status is blocking the smirk on your Salvation user. Basically that smirk condition on Salvation is very self-defeating in most cases. Thanks. For money grinding for the fight, I'm almost half way since I don't need too much; The real problem will be buying back all the demons I want on my team again, but thankfully that money you get for clearing that quest will cover things at least. Now I just need to make sure all works as it should for this slightly adjusted method or all of that will have been for naught. Congrats on beating the first 1000km race, but I hope the second one at Suzuka goes by much quicker thanks to the car you just won. That's good to hear. Also nice seeing Green Knight being viable since I remember watching a video saying he was one of the weakest knights due to having a slightly different attack animation for his one move that kills his DPS. And nice to see you finish up another manga. That said with the power of hindsight, kind of surprised you didn't read one about cars/racing related sooner. Regardless, glad to hear it was another good read. So while I know Hitman can be whacky as hell, I figured it'd be less whacky than the last few FE randos; Turns out I was wrong as becoming a literal Wicker Man wasn't on my bingo card for the insanity that the Hitman games have. But once again, glad to see you guys have a fun time with that.

[@BerserkerRohan]

@@jaredfayette2567 You can also prioritize the ailments you really don't like as well. It was added in the GBA version and it constantly changes it form based on elements as well. It makes sense why Salvation just doesn't seem that good at all. Hope that goes well. I think this one will take longer since the average speed per lap is going to be slower but we will see if it is closer to 5 hours or 6 hours. That is big contributing factor although if you aren't good at very long juggles like I am, it shouldn't make too big of a difference. I did watch the anime for the big two series about cars in Initial D and Wangan Midnight and a lot of the interesting manga series out there haven't been fully translated which makes it a bit iffy for me to check out. It was probably even stranger before considering the Rep Tires challenge which I recommend looking up if you want to see some insanity.

[@kertuo]

I love Death Flies just being able to spam that skill to grind your mantra and the same time farm momey since mantra can get really expensive

[@BigKlingy]

I suppose if you don't care about devouring you can spam that to kill Titanias. I don't know if that's faster though since you get less AP.

[@joaocisne556]

that dragon is very tough, I like this fight, a lot

[@thefinalskarm1754]

25:55 In 4A the super endgame skills secondaries revolve around smirk. So Salvation requires to SMIRK to remove ailments, there's skills like Ice Age 41:20 ish Will "he" cook BigKlingy for days on end? find out next time on dds1

[@BigKlingy]

25:55 Some of those I found a bit too badly nerfed, especially since Salvation costs a lot there.

[@bradleyharris774]

10:03. I tried it and the experience was... peculiar for lack of a better term. International Sphere Grid Mode (ISGM) allows a lot more versatility and flexibility with character builds. For example, Yuna can veer into Lulu's track to grab some Black Magic or Tidus can grab some Break skills from Auron's track. However, like Haru in P5R, getting the most out of ISGM requires pre-planned builds for each character because otherwise, you have a party with watered-down skillsets and stats. I prefer the normal Sphere Grid because each character's part of the Sphere Grid is tailor-made to their specific playstyles and the overall game balance. I've seen some playthroughs on ISGM with builds that snap the game's difficulty in half. 11:12. As a wise woman. once said "Your fate was sealed when you rose against us!"

[@BigKlingy]

10:03 FFX being a game designed around specialists makes me worry how good International is.

[@andresalasthemessenger]

Before getting to Huanglong AKA Kohryu, Titania farming & stuffs to Mastered Mantras & Levels to increased a bit... Interesting.. 🤔 Nice to see Serph's Vitality maxed up.. Now Strength to work up. Nice to see other new skills worked up. Embryon Member... Mm.. Poor guy.. (Rookie.. Must be someone's a lot stronger..) Field Hunt.. Oh boy... Phew.. Good thing to get the most of them if not one more. Mantras & Levels. Nice. Comma Terminal... Party Members death. Ouch. Temple Guards?.. Hmm.. Yeah.. Could be the guy he mentioned earlier.. The boss.. Before that, to prepare for stuffs. Sounds fair knowing Heat can't be used around against this boss in there.. Never fought the boss before- Hmm.. ??... !!.. Thumbnail of this boss. Huanglong... Whoa.. 😯 He's a lot bigger than the other Dragon but a lot more stronger & very formidable.. Didn't expected that.. Gotta deal with him.. 😐 Quite a elemental changes or Huanglong.. Tough guy... &!! Done. Great job Argilla. & Levels up even Mantras Mastered.. I agree. The boss is pretty fun. This is the last boss... Phew. & Final Red Wall.. Rare Chest?.. Ooh. Nice. (Yeah.. No Goho M..) Ciello?.. Well about that due to grind. ??.. Ooh. Newest Mantras & the one from the chest.. Wow. (So like Beelzebub's Mantra.. Now Huanglong's Mantra. Cool. Right.. Last Words.. Absorb elements cool.) So far for Serph & Party Members Mantras.. Hmm.. I see. 🤨 Levels.. Nothing to do much indeed in this 1st Digital Devil Saga. Argilla? Yeah.. Lv 99? Huh. Other save load file. Cool. True.. Items don't carry over.. Hmm.. Sequel?.. Oh that's nice. (Combos Skills..) Fight him?.. Hmm.. Till then..

[@Bulkynemesis4534]

The time Loop is going to end soon and will find out how we got here

[@nitro4769]

29:22 I looked it up and Abaddon from DDS2 is on it, and it roasts Cielo, saying that it's an advantage when he gets swallowed quote unqoute "Pray that this hits Cielo because he actually forces himself into the active party for this battle."

[@BigKlingy]

....Thanks for reminding me to delete that sentence. I saw it yesterday, and him forcing himself into the party is a GOOD thing as Abaddon takes 200% damage from Zio skills in ALL its phases. Cielo is supposed to be MVP in that fight.

[@ultimateshadow7522]

I feel like my comments get eaten any time I try to include a hyperlink in them. Does anyone know... is that a common occurence? 5:19 Cielo's going to be unstoppable with these! 11:56 Somehow, they thought "Die For Me!" wasn't broken enough! 19:30 "Grrruuaaarrrgghhhh..." is the best skill name in this entire game! 20:48 Not a bad animation! Though Shadow Dragon's Aura is the best animation I've ever seen that defies hardware limitations. 22:16 Ouch! Quintuple-digit healing!? 29:20 I only hate these types of bosses when it involves trial and error gameplay. Semi-related question: I wonder who started the TV Tropes website? 33:13 That's cheap! 39:32 Would that more games do something like this... 40:34 Probably not 1 million though, right?

[@jaredfayette2567]

YT hates links in most cases. I've suffered with that issue as well. Sometimes I can sneak them in after editing in a reply to my OG comment, but even that hasn't working well lately (that or it works in that tiny bit of time, but the comment can only be seen via by "newest first" for the comment section). It's frustrating how this site hates links.

[@galladeforce]

From what I heard TV Tropes was originally as site about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, so likely someone who was a fan of that show.

[@BigKlingy]

11:56 lol yeah, this is that but even better. 19:30 Yes, exactly. 20:48 That one's pretty cool. Also Starlight looks cool. 22:16 Superdrain, baby! 40:34 Only 20000, actually. You normally start with 10000.

[@ultimateshadow7522]

@@BigKlingy 20:48 Starlight is amazing. The only thing I hate about it is its durability, especially for what you have to give up to get it. If they made it the same amount of uses as Aura or Excalibur, it wouldn't bother me. To be perfectly honest though, if they wanted it to be an even exchange for the Starsphere and Lightsphere, it should have been unbreakable like Imhullu. 40:34 I can understand them not wanting to give out endgame amounts of money right from the start with a Data Transfer (more games should have them), but in that case, they should just make the flag for added funds 20,000 in DDS1. While we're on the subject, if they were to port (or HD-ify) Shadow Dragon and New Mystery or remake Binding Blade and Blazing Sword, I hope they'd implement a Data Transfer system for those games. I have a great idea for a Blazing Sword to Binding Blade Data Transfer: if you were to transfer a save file... in addition to the perks you'd get from the Path of Radiance one, you'd also unlock an extra playable character from Blazing Sword who isn't confirmed dead in the Binding Blade era. It would probably be an older Lyn because fanservice (and she cannot die in Blazing Sword due to being a Lord), but they could also throw a curveball and use someone like Nino. If they made the character's stats transfer directly, that could be interesting. Not only would it incentivize you to use that character permanently, but it would make any stat boosters used on them worth even more in the long run! I'd also hope they bundle Marth's games, if they don't completely remake them. Unlikely, I know, but I can dream.

[@galladeforce]

Do you want some salt with your Titania Meal. Also Myyrh would love to be here, considering that she likes to eat woman (That is going to sound very weird if you don’t know where it comes from) Serf upon learning Death Flies “I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds” 25:54 I don’t think I’ve ever played a game which has Salvation in it where it doesn’t cure status so to me that’s kind of the default for how it works, plus what can you do for an ultimate healing skills when full HP heal on everyone is on the widely available Mediarahan. 30:57 Funny thing is that element Huang Long is associated with in his mythology is Earth, So Genbu being Earth based when they had a chance to make Earth Huang Longs consistent resistance/immunity. But in general SMT doesn’t use the elements the Four Symbols are associated with, only Fire for Zhuque is in any way consistent, Water for Xuanwu is also something not really touched on, But looking it up, I knew that Genbu was an Earth user in Persona 1, making his use of its here technically a reference, but hes also an Earth user in Persona 2, a game that actually has Water as an element while Byakko is the Water user. I’m also not entirely sure why the elements of some of them are so inconsistent, unlike some other demons whom have strong connections to certain elements in their mythology making them using anything else weird, Thor comes to kind as Thunder God, but you do tend to see some consistency in what a demom has, 29:22 When it comes to telling what Barrier Huang Long is using, I think the fact he has both a well liked a pre-made design and using a pre existing model they didn’t have much room to telegraph which one on his model ,the only way I think you could do so is have the Orbs he sometimes has in his hands. However you get the impression we that we have the Orbs since it what’s the bosses give us, they are very small and and you would have to notice that he has a specific set up, like one orb in a separate limb for his elemental phases, his front limbs for attack, back for support and none for defence. So something I realised after the Four Symbols video is that the first time I would have seen them used as the basis for something, The leaders of the Genjuken from Juken Sentai Gekiranger/The Phantom Beast Generals from Power Rangers Jungle Fury. Albeit it’s not something I feel is that obvious back then, I didn’t know they even existed back then, A disconnect that makes the connection harder to make even now, every character is describdd using a martial arts styles based on an creature, with the Genjuken mentioning mystical creatures, but for the generals their styles don’t link to their motifs directly, being a Basilisk (Genbu), Chimera (Byakko), Phoenix (Suzaku) and Dragon (Seiryu) and whole their boss is Golden he has a Griffin motif rather than being a Golden dragon , two are very distinct from their motifs and the other two are very close, making it a visual motif that is imemeiteky obvious Sanyou has similarly to a Snapping Turtle like his spiked armour and a turtle head, Suguu is half humanoid Tiger which is white coloured, It’s also an interesting case where the Seiryu analogue Long is the manipulator behind the scenes and turns out to be a lot stronger than he was showing making him the main villain, making him also a Kohryu analogue and since all of the generals are golden. And talking about that, slightly hidden motifs based on Chinese legend isn’t something unique to them, being that they combined with their followers have a Chinese Zodiac motif, Sanyou, Suguu, Mele and Long being the Snake, Tiger, Rooster and Dragon respectively But the Pig, Ox, Horse, Rabbit, Goat, Rat, Monkey and Dog are said to be Cetus, Minotaur, Unicorn, Fairy, Capicorn, Afranc, Hanuman and Cerberus motifs, admitedly some of these are mythical creatures based on the creatures from the Chinese Zodiac, while some have some visual similarities, Cetus does have a Boar like snout it’s still very out there.

[@matts5747]

@@galladeforce Out of curiosity, what are you referencing with the Myyrh comment

[@galladeforce]

@@matts5747 For context, it was a minor meme within Fire Emblem Heroes as Haloween Myyrh Skill Inheritance line says she’s eating sweets, however since skill inheritance involves sacrificing the unit/combat manual in question to Myrrh, which is consumed after use and since that is a person, you then have jokes that she is a cannibal. And then you add a Redditor going on a long rant against her with them saying “she eats women” as proof of how she’s evil and you get someone as strange as that.

[@matts5747]

@@galladeforce Ah Thank you!

[@xenoinazuma7631]

This is time we face the golden dragon of the centre. Whom every time I see I keep hearing Master Asia from G Gundam saying ‘Why don’t you enter your SOUPER MOD!?’ Or ‘I will be the Master of the East! West! North! South and Centre! I will become Super Asia and become champion of all! AHAHAHAHA!’ But I honestly like this fight I just wish it didn’t practically heal so much when the golden dragon decides to not give you a hint of what element he is on. The roar doesn’t take up a turn which if it did would probably make this fight easier. Next Time. We don’t hear boss music.which this is probably only time that is terrifying. Can we become Demonic Spiders? Or will we eat the floor? Probably the latter for a while cause this that thing. That monster. Hates people. Or gets bored. I swear. Just read the nonexistent warning signs. And we won’t be fine but we may survive. I BELIEVE IN OUR BEST BOY CIELO! Though it is kinda funny he is next cause I am gonna have to fight him in SMT V Vengeance. Fitting.

[@BigKlingy]

...That guy sounds like a ham. Which is good. I'm at the end of Vengeance but I'm not looking forward to grinding for the Demi-Fiend.

[@xenoinazuma7631]

@@BigKlingy he is, he is a guy who out hams everyone in a world of ham and it is glorious imo. Yeah. That’s the one thing that sucks is the grinding. Even with the DLC speeding up the process it is still so slow

[@matts5747]

Time for the center of the Cardinal Animals/*The* Hierophant Persona 3:40 Fitting Gale is using this since he got the protag's dialouge 5:28 Ah the skill that is the prize on "Break Persona 4 Day" 7:02 Behold the power of min maxing! 7:34 Was that skull part of the animation in the boss fight? 8:02 Ah the CDI games. A classic source material for KZbin Poops(Yes that is the name) 16:42 Guessing it's for similar reasons why in SMT some of the Angel designs are more robotic 20:07 So now I can go over how Huanglong/Koryu is used in the series I mentioned that use the Cardinal Animals plus one more series that used the Cardinal Animals that I only just remembered Yo-Kai Watch in its mainline series doesn't have a parallel in its mainline but it's mobile spin off Wibble Wobble does Bomberman Jetters' game adaptation has a Koryu inspired boss and has an evil Bomberman counterpart but that one is rather special Unfortunately Fates(to my knowledge) nor Pokémon have a Koryu counterpart but for the latter I've heard ideas that Kyurem could fit that role, likely more so if we get to see the Original Dragon The one I remembered was Gekiranger and by extension Power Rangers Jungle Fury have high ranking monsters based on 3/4 Beasts (Edit: with the last one being represented by another character later on) and Koryu is an inspiration for the true final enemy 22:53 I'm remembering things like that are why Sun and Moon added the ability to keep track of buffs and debuffs 29:41 And I'm remembering that intense fight against Terapagos 30:12 Remember, in fights where the enemy has a lot of resistances, neutral hits and smaller resistances are still important 31:51 So you've essentially activated Anger Point 36:15 I remember having that experience with Hayato and Alfred 39:44 Agreed

[@galladeforce]

If Fates means Fire Emblem Fates, while that game has no Kohryu analogue that I could tell Three Houses might, While Three Houses is not a game that fits Chinese mythological symbolism as much as Fates, and you kind of have to read between the lines to tell, Since two dragon oaralogue bosses, The Wind Caller and the Immovable are very bird and tortoise like, and are connected to the Four Saints, a group of four people with a leader, leading to the theory that Chichol, Cethlean and Seiros are Byakko, Seiryu and Kohryu analogues. Something I find kind of cool. When it comes to the Gekiranger/Jungle Fury thing I wonder what you mean by 3/4th, while I don’t think it’s as obvious to people as other cases even if you know the reference, Long/Scorch doesn’t share his namesakes colour for example, but the Generals still have a Tortoise, Tiger, Fiery Bird and Dragon theme that gives all of them a link.

[@matts5747]

@@galladeforce I do mean Fire Emblem Fates and by 3/4 I meant that Mele/Camille gained the Phoenix powers. I apologize for not making that apparent. I'll make an edit Also interesting point on for 3 Houses.

[@lawftbykurama8103]

the one and only boss that has the highest HP in this game

[@BigKlingy]

Oh yeah technically the Demi-Fiend has less HP, but he's also got a scripted Diarahan at 50% health. (Which can be avoided via some tactics) He's got a LOT more Endurance and hits harder, so you tend not to notice.

[@blazethegamerreacts1543]

also of back of to my other Playthrough of Final Fantasy 1 Pixel Remaster; and it still surprises me on how much HP the White Mage gets in that game still just baffles me with that baffled in a good way of course

[@cartooncritic7045]

That's a leftover from the developer mentality of FF1 being an unofficial D&D game, where the healer class uses hammers and have moderately good HP. White Mages/Clerics wouldn't get their reputation for being weak and frail until a couple of FFs as well as some Dragon Quest games in.

[@blazethegamerreacts1543]

huh didn’t know that; then again as I like D&D I am actually not that versed into all its information

[@BigKlingy]

The stereotype of White Mages being female also didn't start for several games. (In a lot of ways, FF4 was the first FF to truly define the later ones)

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@BigKlingy To be fair I’ve always thought the White Mage’s sprite looked pretty feminine even on the NES, and they’ve only made it more apparent with each new release of FF1. Not like that stops anyone from making up their own headcanons for the FF1 party at any rate.

[@blazethegamerreacts1543]

@@BigKlingy i named my White Mage on my First Playthrough Makoto, so either Pronoun in some way was correct

[@LightbladeRiulo]

Mmmm Fae Folk. Delicious.

[@devilshooter126m8]

This Boss ended my run of this game, when I learned I would have to grind to beat him

[@BigKlingy]

I'm sorta surprised I did this without grinding TOO much (just for Salvation, since going for Death Flies was just for lols), a forum Let's Play I saw was in the 80's when fighting this guy.

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

I just finished watching the other one.

[@stfilo1948]

HUANG LONG gaming....also oberon is probably upset by how many times you killed and eat his titania

[@BigKlingy]

Weirdly Oberon isn't even in this game as far as I can tell. I don't think he's even in DDS2!

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

29:28 Reminds me of Golbez, from FF4.

[@BigKlingy]

OH right, he did work like that. Man, I had a lot of trouble with his first fight, since I was playing on DS where they upgraded it into a mandatory fight instead of a forced loss and it comes right after Calcabrina. Slow is your friend.

[@dragonman7856]

Huang long gaming

[@C.J.Fraguadas]

Expert Sphere grid FFX: I found very annoying. Making the game even more "grindy" the upgrade nodes are further apart, and very low value. You can make your way around what you know the true path of the character's expected skillset, but it does allow you to skip around which isn't always a bad thing. There are fewer overall nodes which also makes the already unsatisfying grind to become SUPER POWERFUL and all the Dark Aeons are still not easy even (IMO) I lost interest in finishing them all after Yojimbo. You running around with Death Flies is a lot like my 6th and final (ending) of Nocturne. Turn 1: Death Flies...anyone left standing? Turn 2: Pralaya, usually that's the end. If not Turn 3: Fire of Sinai. Demi-Fiend almost never requires an action after that.

[@BigKlingy]

I never ended up fusing Beelzebub and Matatron in Nocturne, never got the Demi Fiend's lv high enough. But that sounds fun. I did something similar with God's Bow + Dante.

[@C.J.Fraguadas]

@@BigKlingy Remaster isn't very grindy. There's "Where Demi-Fiend was born" can run around collecting tomes that vault your level up by 1/5th (slim tome) or full level (Thick tome) So getting the required levels and finishing all the Magatama levels isn't horrifying. Then "Where Conception Happened" allows you to get items you can cash for all the money you'll ever need to make any Demon you wish.

[@BigKlingy]

@@C.J.Fraguadas I do have though, I just don't like using them because they're paid DLC. But it's an option if I want to get all the fusions. (Thankfully unlike SMTV there are no route-locked Demons) I just wanted to beat the game without grinding, so I ended I think in the low 80's. Which meant no Metatron, which meant no Pierce outside Demi-Fiend. (Since the Shady Broker Pierce demon is locked behind Metatron)

[@cgcurctct8ccottccricorc8rc86]

If u have to grind in an rpg its not a very good rpg

[@BigKlingy]

And that's the beauty of this game: you don't need to grind for any of the main story content OR this boss. I only grinded for Salvation and Death Flies because I wanted to show them, but I didn't even use Death Flies in the fight and you can easily get Salvation out of one late-game Field Hunt. I didn't even level up much from the grind session. I've seen other runs be at Lv 80 for this boss and imo that's WAY overkill. The only boss you need to grind for is the NG+ Demi Fiend fight, and that's meant as an optional extreme challenge.