Fallout 4 Next-Gen Upgrade - DF Tech Review - The Good, The Bad & The Bugged

[@Sambrowski10]

Bethesda... Bethesda never changes.

[@miltonbates6425]

Lol...And that's why we love them.

[@TamalPlays]

@@miltonbates6425 eww

[@Zastrutzki]

That's because they keep clinging to their crappy engine and god-awful writers. To see "Executive Producer - Todd Howard" in the Fallout tv series felt dirty as well. You can just imagine him seagulling on set.

[@TekMerc]

The One True Comment

[@adriank8792]

@@Zastrutzki Meanwhile all UE4 games are a stutter mess, and the UE5 looks great in the demos, except for when the games ship, they look nothing like the demos are struggling to hold 30fps. The Cration Engine has been improved massively with each new game. It's a proper modern engine now. Only people who know nothing about game development shit on the Creation Engine

[@Harry101UK]

Bethesda's consistency of incompetance is impressive.

[@joshmiller7870]

Right!? Next gen patch but us Pc gamers still need to add lines to the .ini file or else we have mouse lag and squashed X vs Y mouse scale it was originally coded for an old 4:3 tv and the just forgot.

[@3ofSpades]

I'm glad to see that Fallout 4 still looks like a budget AA game from 2006 made by 2 people in a UK basement. Todd and Peter worked very hardly on this wonderful update, and I think it shows.

[@treywar25]

welcome to video game development lol

[@emveep2395]

All this hype around fallout and they manage to say "yes, this is fine" and push the update. Bethesda is out of touch.

[@ErenTheWarcriminal]

B-b-but Microsoft promised changes!!1

[@DubElementMusic]

@@ErenTheWarcriminal probably more ingame shop stuff.

[@JustS0meK1dd]

@@ErenTheWarcriminal Bethesda will always be Bethesda. Even if they have more funding, they still have many of the same senior leadership who make the decisions on when their games are fit for release. The jank was charming in the 2000s, but it's just embarrassing in the modern day.

[@ChicagoMade]

​@@ErenTheWarcriminalMicrosoft just lets they do whatever they want

[@Bloodyshinta1]

@@JustS0meK1dd lmao no, bethesda is run by completely different people now than it was during the early morrowind days, they've gotten significantly worse over time.

[@noodles9345]

Didn't Todd do an interview like just a few days ago where he specifically talked about quality? Then they release a patch where a major selling point is a graphics mode toggle, and that toggle doesn't even work. Crazy.

[@KneppaH]

It AlL jUsT WorKs

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

Bethesda might as well be composed of modders instead of whoever works at the company, they'll do a better job 10/10 times

[@frankmarano1118]

Hea becoming as bad as the Fable Peter M guy..

[@3ofSpades]

It just works, I am not kidding. All of these bugs just work, take a look!

[@herbalterrorist420]

It’s even crazier that Bethesda are owned by Microsoft but the toggle works only on PlayStation consoles and not on the Microsoft Xbox console. Like come on, they had one job to make the Xbox version (their own version) actually work and they failed miserably. It Wouldn’t be so bad if it didn’t work at all on any console but it’s like a lil slap in the face to all those people who stuck with Xbox in the hope they eventually give them something that made their console purchase worthwhile, not that a fallout4 “next gen” upgrade would do that but you get my point… hopefully.

[@cy9nvs]

The fact that they still haven't fixed the "Weapon Debris" setting really shows the attitude of modern day Bethesda. PC gamers got nobody to lobby for them, so PC problems just don't matter. "What? This setting makes the game crash? Aww.. well, just disable it, lol." ~Bethesda

[@elderpleasure4927]

There is a “Downgrader” mod that might help.

[@nicholasfpayne]

@@elderpleasure4927the patch didn’t break weapon debris, it’s literally always been broken. It was buggy on launch, never fixed, and then the release of the RTX cards broke it entirely.

[@CaptainKenway]

The weapon debris is achieved via FleX - one of Nvidia's crappy, proprietary technologies designed to shill their cards. Nvidia abandoned it a long time ago, with the final 1.2 beta release being in mid-2017. It is very likely not within Bethesda's power to fix it. It was an Nvidia technology that they simply implemented into their game. Nvidia dropped support for it after Pascal, so really the only thing Bethesda could do is rip it out entirely. But that would be far more work and likely break other stuff (not to mention remove it for people with older cards that can still run it), so that's not really realistic.

[@cy9nvs]

@@CaptainKenway Even at launch, it didn't work properly. There was always some kind of memory leak, which caused performance to get worse and worse the longer you play, when weapon debris was enabled. But sure, they should finally remove the option if it can't be fixed.

[@callofduty611]

​@@CaptainKenwayThey don't have to rip it out entirely, just call for it not to be enabled if the GPU ID doesn't match a Pascal (or earlier?) GPU. Or they could implement a fix similar to the one provided by a mod, the aptly named Weapon Debris Crash Fix, which disables collision of debris with the surface of the game world.

[@adamosmaki]

this was a 14gb download of nothingness . All it did was break a few mods. Thanks a lot Bathesda

[@phoenixvance6642]

I was able to cancel the scheduled update and disable auto updates for my version. I dodged a HUGE bullet looks like!

[@Sneakyboson]

Ummm broke a good amount more than a 'few' mods there champ.

[@ezioauditoredafirenze5453]

​@@SneakybosonExactly. More like hundreds 😄

[@THISISLolesh]

Probably why they did it lol a nothing update that breaks mods and upcoming mods people wanted to play. Pure spite from Bethesda.

[@3ofSpades]

Bethesda broke all of the xxx mods where you nail Nick Valentine in his box again, so I'm sure the community will have them working again in a few days.

[@markdaga1711]

Real missed chance to say “The good, the bad, and the bugly.”

[@franktorres2915]

Bugly is not a word

[@greggski3710]

​​@@franktorres2915language evolves all the time.

[@pzogel]

The good the bad and the bigly

[@HaykInWonderland]

​@@franktorres2915that's what makes it clever

[@scunny]

​@@franktorres2915 yeah it is

[@DTD963]

The most frustrating thing about this update, is that Bethesda will likely not address these issues. Maybe some, but not all. Fallout and the fans deserve better.

[@Mart-E12]

No it's just attention bait to get some people who haven't heard about the game to buy it.

[@3ofSpades]

People must have ran out of reasons and mods to nail Nick Valentine, so the tv show was helpful in giving them a few more.

[@Dorraj]

You mean they're gonna wait for all the mods to get patched for this new version so they can put out a minor patch fixing 2 bugs and breaking all the mods again.

[@RandomGaming85]

Bethesda needs to have serious paradigm shift in their development process. There was clearly no testing of the changes at all. Using the ultraswide support as an example, you just need to launch the game ONCE (around 15 seconds of work) to know that it is instantly broken. Bethesda was sold to M$ for $7.5B USD. You want me to seriously believe that this company can't push a quality patch? The update was gross and another slap in the face of the community.

[@lynackhilou4865]

Modders have already added these features , they could've just paid them for the official implementation. I'm convinced they had one person on the team working on this update which is why it took so long and there wasn't much to it

[@boshi9]

They didn’t even test if the performance mode toggle does something on Xbox…

[@OscarFowler]

This has been true going back at least to FO3. People always give them a pass because they love the open worlds, but it's clear they've needed to invest more in their technology or change who's in charge of it for ages.

[@Riftinducer]

Technically, Microsoft bought Zenimax, Bethesda's parent company, for $7.5B. Not disagreeing with the overall point that this update should have been done better, especially on Xbox hardware, but it's not like Microsoft spent that much on current Fallout developers alone

[@Deliveredmean42]

Considerig this patch was suppose to release more than a year ago, I can see it to be the case. The Halloween props while "lore accurate" certain indicate its original time frame of patch release. Something really really bad had to happen.

[@chubbybehem0th]

This is so funny, it's like he's talking about the first game from an indie developer, not a huge triple A developer with decades of experience.

[@carpetfluff35]

Decades of experience at not making their products much better, even when the community is constantly showing them how it's done.

[@chrislee5268]

Bethesda is full of unqualified diversity hires. Most of the talent behind Morrowind are long gone.

[@nicolapellegrino1072]

​@carpetfluff35 ah yes... from 1996 (Daggerfall) to now bethesda never released a decent game... 😏 and most important thing... nobody plays them... so why have they been sold so much? Because people like to have shelves filled with Bethesda games? I don't think so...

[@carpetfluff35]

@@nicolapellegrino1072 I think you've missed my point. They used to make technical messes that we all loved in spite of it. Now they think they can just keep riding that feeling we had whilst their games get progressively less interesting. Judging by your response, they can still get away with it for while longer, but Starfield has already whittled the numbers down.

[@capablanc]

​​@carpetfluff35 The second part of your comment is the cause of the first. Why fix game when community will buy it anyway and fix it for you.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

I think 'Buggy' would have worked better there - The Good, The Bad & The Buggy

[@JJD1985]

So buggy it even broke the rightful title of this video 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

[@Chasm9]

The Good, the Bad and the Buggly 😅

[@Fischlure]

"the good, the bad, and the bugly"

[@ali8283]

The good, the bad and the Bethesda

[@Threewlz]

It just works

[@lolmao500]

With the quality of this patch... I have zero expectations for the Fallout 3 remake quality.

[@dannydouglas4039]

It's not even a remake, it's a remaster. It's going to have all of the same issues vanilla FO3 has had since launch.

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@dannydouglas4039 All of the same issues + no mod compatibility lol. We'll be lucky if they don't add a creation club shop too.

[@GaliosUA]

@@yewtewbstew547 oh, you bet they will.

[@brutalschel]

They won't release that...

[@DubElementMusic]

i was super excited for this patch, since 1-2 years.... rumors about a remaster.... and now this, nothing more than bethesda pointing the middlefinger at me. even after fallout76 and mainstreamfield, i was excited..... but i dont expect anything good from bethesda, not anymore at all. and the sad thing is, except from software, i didnt played a single real thirt or first person RPG i liked in the last 10 years. this genre is dead AF

[@CouchCoach]

Good thing they used the extra time from the delay to polish it up.

[@HarryB4497]

You would think the main console from the company who owns Bethesda’s ass would’ve gotten priority. But nope, Xbox Series X is bugged and PlayStation gets the upgrade working as intended with the added bonus of a separate trophy list for it. Pretty funny honestly.

[@MrJeanjean2009]

Funny AND embarrassing.

[@marrow94]

This has been a staple this whole generation tbh

[@George-um2vc]

The first mistake was gaming on console 💀

[@abeaconintheoffice]

The separate trophy list was a nice surprise. I get to complete the game again. Then again, that also means dealing with the Settlement happiness trophy.. fck!

[@liquid1514]

​@@George-um2vcok bro 😂

[@Norightnowrong1]

Now Xbox is offering exclusive modes to ps5 Iconic

[@mandrews6282]

I ran both versions at launch and it was clear as day. All my saves are on Xbox though which sucks. I tried raising this with the community to try and pressure Bethesda but responses ranged from personal attacks, to ‘looks fine to me’ to ‘I only cared about Performance Mode anyway’. The fact that this shipped in this state on their home console and PS5 runs totally fine is nuts. XBox should want this rectified immediately. Is what it is I guess if players simply don’t care. Made worse is Bethesda’s tweet in response saying ‘this is how it’s supposed to work on XBox’. Which is pure gaslighting, incompetence, or laziness. Not sure which is worse. But XBox marketing itself as ‘the most powerful console’ with the larger GPU on paper, it’s first party games run at notably higher visual settings on PS5, which is now the definitive console version by a large margin. This should be unacceptable. Not to mention the significantly better performance in Performance Mode on PS5 to boot.

[@Sand_1995]

That's because PS crowd prefer graphics predominantly over other featutes.

[@Norightnowrong1]

@@Sand_1995 bruh, so thats why they gave the options to PlayStation players, but locked Xbox players out of it?! Damn

[@ContrastCopy]

⁠@@mandrews6282I think “notable” and “large margin” is a bit of a leap. I mean, nobody talks about these changes before DF talks about it. I believe that Xbox should try to not do this strategy, but it’s more of a principle thing than an actual dealbreaking difference.

[@killertruth186]

@@ContrastCopy Microsoft did bought Bethesda by buying out Zenimax. So it is on Bethesda to make Xbox looks worse.

[@asmodeusml]

Given that it is a 9 year old game and the way it looks, it should be 4K@60 at Ultra on both PS5 and SeX. But it's Bethesda.

[@elanecdotario9356]

I’m playing at 1440p 60fps on my ps5. Thinks it’s good enough since I never played but it’s pretty smooth.

[@TheVVumpus]

Yeah this is why we’ll never see Fallout 4 VR on PSVR2.

[@HeadshotyTSW]

this game shouldn't look as shit on a PC titled "next-gen" update. When I saw how fucking close geometry detail is being loaded on the PC, I started laughing hard. and crying. Also they will never increase the 60FPS cap. It would require them to address the way their physics system works by themselves and not modders, and that is work, so never going to happen. Seriously, I can just NOT recommend to anyone to buy ANY Bethesda game just to drive home how fucking terribly buggy all their games are, and they never get patched.

[@sanguina555]

​@@elanecdotario9356 did your ps5 fan is louder when playing on performance?

[@elanecdotario9356]

@@sanguina555 aah no… I do not play on performance. I play on quality. So it’s running at 1440p not 4k since I have a 120ghz TV. But no… my fan only started sounding with fallout 76.

[@ReachTea]

Modders: yeah we got ultrawide support, uncapped frame rate and an FOV slider with texture overhauls Bethesda: I don't even know what any of those things mean?

[@AIIEYESONME]

Oh they know alright. it's just.."Ahh hell no, I ain't doin all that." "What is the absolute least we can dare to offer and still call it a "next gen: upgrade."

[@FilippoTarpini]

RenoDX also adds native HDR support, work just wrapped up in it (same people that did the Luma HDR mod for Starfield)

[@Motion_God]

Shit pissed me off I reverted to the old version right after I installed

[@sanji1259]

@@AIIEYESONME i truly don´t believe they know those terms. Howard just said that starfield did not get a great reception because, and i quote:"it is too different from the things we did before", while it is 100% the same with a different skin(but missing anything good)....THAT´s the level of delusionalness this man lives his daily life

[@taigaaisaka6305]

@@AIIEYESONME You know what's the funny thing? It's not even that, they are just genuinely brain dead. They could be lazy, talk with the creators of those mods, officially add them for free to the game and done. Bethesda gets to be lazy, extremely lazy, not having to do any kind of works aside from adding said mods to the base game, which takes a day of work at most if not less, they look good in the eyes of the casual playerbase and they look good with he modding community. Wins all around. Instead they did... this. You need to put effort to be as incompetent as Bethesda.

[@iyaramonk]

I feel like "reception has been mixed" has been the trend of Bethesda post-Skyrim.

[@badz1497]

just a nice way to say "disappointing" from DF!

[@madness1931]

To be fair, it's been that way for decades, even prior to Skyrim. TES5 was criticized for being a dumbed down TES4, and TES4 was criticized for being a dumbed down TES3. Fallout 3 was criticized for being TES4, with guns, and losing the soul of the cRPG roots. I could go on, but I hope you get the point. Their games have been disappointing for many of their fans, but they somehow manage to acquire new ones, while doing the bare minimum to try to keep the old ones.

[@iyaramonk]

@@madness1931 Sure but it's hard to find anyone who disliked Skyrim. It's easier to find someone who disliked FO4. And it's extremely easy to find anyone who disliked FO76 and SF.

[@ltbq]

@@iyaramonk i mean without mods Skyrim is also a bad game. bethesda has good environment designers and a couple good quest writers and that keeps you go, but every game they make is the definition of 'less than the sum of its parts'.

[@bluedogz1624]

@@ltbqI think that's why Starfield was so disliked. The proc-gen planets don't allow Bethesda's world designers to flex their muscles like FO4 and Skyrim

[@BROTRRer]

Bethesda has out-Bethesda'd themselves this time

[@Mopsie]

😂😂

[@elzjpeg]

Gotta love that they lied and tried to gaslight users into thinking the quality mode was working as intended.

[@xenomorphlover]

It's false advertising 😒 I want a refund if they don't patch it asap 😡

[@willjohnboy]

​@xenomorphlover, it's a free upgrade 😂

[@alexanderulv3886]

@@xenomorphloverasap meaning a few years down the line 😂

[@thanksbetotap]

Simpler explanation: the marketing person wasn’t very technical…

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@willjohnboy some people never owned the game before though and decided to jump in because of the new version and paid full price.

[@alexandersokolov7001]

“All of it just works”

[@AIIEYESONME]

Sometimes.....

[@keurdecoyote1586]

On PS5 😂

[@peterGchaves]

*16x the detail !!*

[@aadipie]

We’re gonna need…. Distant Weather Systems

[@peterGchaves]

*I feel bad for Tom. The DF team always give him the buggiest games to analyse!!* 😔

[@enescustovic1883]

Tom's handsome enough to handle it

[@HamsterXFiles]

That is as next gen as me breathing air.

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

Indeed.

[@kennypowers1945]

So not at all

[@cliffturbo2146]

Can you breathe in space?

[@herr-a5460]

16 times the oxygen! It just works.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Its amusing since FO4 at launch didn't even look good when comparing it to games that released around the same time

[@BreadBox42]

There’s also completely missing textures in the patch for the new weapons. On the quest with the piggy bank launcher, the gun and ammo looks like a giant red exclamation point.

[@TheDuzx]

They probably couldn't even make a calculator app run well in the Creation Engine

[@badz1497]

hey, that calculator might be able to divide by 0

[@Haddley333]

The only thing missing from this update is Todd Howard on stage in his leather jacket and weird shoes telling us this update is the best thing ever created

[@johngalactus4014]

Weapon Debris not fixed, unless you use a mod. Unbelievable.

[@AVerySillySausage]

It would be funnier if it broke that mod.

[@krzysztofkawa9370]

That mod is not working at all.

[@May1stBurst]

The fact that ps5 and series x are inheriting pro and one x settings shows how little effort was put into this patch. Pure laziness.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

But the games are running better than ever. How is that not a good thing?

[@bluejay4812]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 They really aren’t. Dips still happen, severely, there’s no meaningful graphics increase, hell the toggle on Xbox doesn’t even WORK, and PS5 gets an exclusive 40 FPS mode. Seriously? This patch has been an absolute shitshow and a spit in the face to both console users and PC users. It’s pathetic.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@@bluejay4812 Bullshit. These games are running at 60 frame as second. Before they could barely run at 30 How is that not better?

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

​@@dcmastermindfirst9418 if that's the only thing they can offer for "next gen" then I'm disappointed. When I heard next gen I was expecting better graphics atleast to be able to match pc max settings, Bug fixes for both pc and console and DLSS/FSR but alas they just did the bare minimum

[@DrFreeman23]

​@dcmastermindfirst9418 considering ps5 is backcompatibale with PS4 games and tend to run them better with out any extra work and this bearly moves the needle in graphic settings for consoles is the biggest issue. Then you also have the PC community that are left out in the rain....their updated engine they used in starfield uses my 5900x EVERY SINGLE THREAD....fallout 4 even after the update uses 4...and not at 100% when dropping frames.. having proper multithreading on this game would not only have better stability but massive increase in performance....not to mention not break mods but probablyhelp them....however this would be a alot of work...so they did ultrawide support...something that can be done with just a couple changes of a hex editor...they also have hud elements that you can see in the start of the game be screwed up...I will forever stand by the statement that when they announced this update is when they started working on it.....(edit)Sorry the third time they mentioned this update... if they were working on it since the first time that would be almost 2 years of work amd this is what they would have to show for it....which is pathetic even for Bethesda.

[@Mittzys]

0:53 thats next gen quality if ive ever seen it

[@chrisstucker1813]

thankfully you spend most of this game on the ground lol

[@sanji1259]

16 times the detail

[@jarde1989]

It’s not a next-gen game… it’s a performance patch

[@sanji1259]

@@jarde1989 it isn't. Lmfao it's literally called next gen upgrade...what a fanboy defending them with lies

[@DrJones20]

PC's from 10 years ago had much better shadow draw distance, what's going on? Couldn't they at least have added it in 30 fps mode?

[@dustarma]

Those distant shots look terrible, they really couldn't have done something to improve the shadows at a distance?

[@DrJones20]

My biggest gripe with the visuals on console. Was really hoping this "next gen" update would address it, but nope

[@mandrews6282]

I cannot believe a major feature (Quality Mode) is simply not working at all on XBox, and that it works fine on PS5. Which is some severe neglect and baffling as their home console. Moreso their tweet that ‘this is how it works on XBox’ is straight gaslighting, and I’m surprised that when I brought this up at launch (as it is obvious that the ultra visual settings are not there and it’s running at 60 instead of 30. Anyone running both versions can see this plain as day), people either responded with personal attacks or handwaiving it away since they only cared about Performance Mode anyway. That’s the internet for you I guess. Lol. They really need to fix this though. I had wanted to run my XBox save on Series X with the new visual upgrades. I have the game on PS5 as well but haven’t played it on that platform yet outside this initial testing. I guess I can go for trophies there though as a plus. Still, Bethesda needs to address this and if no one wants to talk about it it’s never going to happen and Playstation will remain the superior console version by a large margin. Which should be unacceptable for XBox.

[@joesterling4299]

And DF would have none of that gaslighting. It isn't even acknowledged in this review, which reports outright that quality mode *does not work* on Xbox.

[@mandrews6282]

@@joesterling4299 to be fair it was acknowledged in a separate recent video. But I am surprised they did not mention it here as well. Maybe they didn’t feel it was appropriate for the upgrade review itself. But Bethesda does seem to get slack other devs do not as well. I have not seen a single video on this topic from anyone outside that one DF clip. People just swept that shit under the rug or don’t care. Considering how much the pitchfork mob comes out these days it is surprising anyone would let this slide, or that they are not demanding this be fixed for XBox players.

[@allansolano5587]

Its stupid how microsoft doesnt make a quality check with bethesda games i mean, this update, redfall launch, starfield lack of a 60 fps mode that literally was posible as we recently so its coming in may like What the hell ? At this point im expecting elder scrolls 6 to be a bare bones game

[@xenomorphlover]

This can't get more embarrassing for Xbox and Bethesda....they are huge companies and they can't even get a "next gen" release on their consoles right. They should have already released a patch and I can't believe they haven't done so yet 😡😡😡

[@wolvebuck]

@@allansolano5587 It will run great on Playstation consoles, I bet.

[@SpiderLuke]

Jesus. I remember those streaming hitches when it first released for Xbox One ...

[@rbyrne1975]

Thank you for calling attention to this.. Bethesda's only comment was an eye-raising statement about the Xbox fidelity mode also targeting 60fps, same as its Performance mode, and that it's working as intended. They denied there was in issue and have said *nothing* else about it despite people shouting it to the high heavens.

[@TheDeeboy717]

That’s because they are right

[@rbyrne1975]

@@TheDeeboy717 Explain.

[@TheDeeboy717]

@@rbyrne1975 Bethesda said the quality mode is rendering at 60fps on Xbox consoles and it is. So they are right

[@rbyrne1975]

@@TheDeeboy717 they are wrong because there is no quality mode for series x. It’s the same as performance mode setting . The toggle does nothing. Quality mode does not increase graphics fidelity at all. Targeting 60 is cute but if there’s no quality change (demonstrated in the video ) then there’s quality mode is not working

[@TheDeeboy717]

@@rbyrne1975 lol says who. DF? You do realize videos are edited.

[@mhmdmhmdv6905]

"Next gen" update without a fov slider 😒

[@Mart-E12]

Broken ultrawide support, fps still locked to 60, no FOV slider... WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THIS

[@BreadBox42]

Only Bethesda could screw up making the primary Performance/Quality option NOT work properly on their first party console (Xbox), but make it work on a third party console (PS5)

[@btzrus]

Probably intentional tbh

[@Apoplectic_Spock]

Bethesda: stuck in 2009 since... you guessed it, 2009!

[@МухаммедАли-б7д]

The question is: is there ANY differences between "next-gen" 4K/30 mode and One X version? 🤣 What a shame...

[@AIIEYESONME]

Yes the One X last gen version had HDR support through Auto HDR. No support is avalable for any sort of HDR now through the "Next Gen" upgrade. And with mods Console players could use an uncapped framerate with above ultra settings for draw distance and alpha effects mods + Auto HDR along with native 4K with the Xbox 1X enhancement that Series X got. So the "next gen" upgrade became a huge downgrade in every aspect for players like me that just used mods to improve the game in performance and graphics. Oh and there is lag now too as a reminder you are playing a Bethesda game. FYI those mods no longer function, just crash on boot up. Wow, gee thanks Bethesda, you made everything worse and patted yourself on the back for your half assed effort! 👍

[@deathtrooper2048]

4k 30 has higher settings, but the worst part is the performance mode has lower settings than xbox one x.

[@ingamgoduka57]

Games will always favor high frequency than multi cores clocked lower.

[@temporaltomato3021]

They did the same thing to Skyrim with the ultrawide "support". Stretched menus. I just started getting into Fallout after watching the Amazon show, and 3 and New Vegas (especially New Vegas) crash all the time. Still. I don't know where all those Bethesda/Microsoft resources are going, but it's not to maintaining their most beloved IP's.

[@DrFreeman23]

To be fair for microsoft. Getting a assbackwards company back on track is going to take time...atleast years till we really see them get in a groove. However, this is the first impression of Bethesda since being under them after starfield, which was already that great with starfield, and they massively screwed this up.....I would say this set them back in the public eye but I am more cynical now and this won't change a damn thing.

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

I’ve been playing in PS5 performance mode and it’s been a great. The performance mode off setting runs at 40 fps using a 120hz refresh and it looks super smooth as well.

[@maxvell0951]

Thank you for clarifying, some smaller channels were very wrong comparing the different modes. Not naming a particular channel who mentioned that both graphics modes run at 60fps on Series S and Series X.

[@bluejay4812]

The thing is Bethesda themselves said that’s how it’s supposed to work. BUT, if that’s the case we should be getting a meaningful graphics change.

[@w0rstz307]

So that’s how you represent Microsoft on Xbox Series X. Good job, Bethesda.

[@jack_knife-1478]

😂😂😂

[@kaat1]

It’s also worth mentioning, that performance mode makes PS5 incredibly hot - there are many posts of people complaining, that console overheats and shuts itself very often. Mine also gets really hot, never had that issue even with most demanding exclusives. Another proof that Bethesda just didn’t bother to optimize this game properly.

[@CapOlimar]

Have yet to have that issue, only played a few hours. I'll be on the lookout.

[@Exocraze]

Happy to see a 40FPS mode added here for PS5. I hope more games continue to add the 40FPS quality modes in the future.

[@alexanderulv3886]

Only good thing about this update, they said ULTRA SETTINGS not ultra draw distance 🤦‍♂️

[@RebornGalaxy]

Developer: do we need to send this to the QA testers? Todd: nah, it just works.

[@Stardomplay]

Did you really just confuse Tom with Todd Howard?

[@RebornGalaxy]

@@Stardomplay yes true lol

[@NSXtacy-]

16 times the detail of Miner VGA. Truly feels like I'm living in the future.

[@keithprice1950]

Meanwhile the Witcher 3, Metro Exodus and Cyberpunk got complete graphical overhauls that even included adding ray tracing.

[@Chasm9]

Microsoft's own first party studio has the game looking noticeably worse than the competition. Ridiculous beyond description.

[@ContrastCopy]

Well, you just described it.

[@DocHolidayX]

So embarrassing for Microsoft.

[@TheProphegy]

I’m on PS5 and with my VRR OLED I’m really impressed with the upgrade. Haven’t had any bugs. The one thing I’ll say is the character models didn’t age as good but man the world look great. Nice texture upgrade.

[@crestofhonor2349]

FO4 would heavily benefit from some graphical update. Something like RTGI and RT Shadows would be a huge benefit to the game's over all visual package. Other issues like the HFR being broken should be unacceptable for this long

[@MarkkusTaylor]

RTGI would do so much for this game and also RT shadows to help eliminate shadow draw issues.

[@AVerySillySausage]

The game has godrays that are still to this day cut your FPS down by like 60% at 4k even on modern hardware, I do not trust them to implement ray tracing.

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@AVerySillySausage That's because the god rays aren't done in the usual way of being volumetric. They're some sort of voxel based god ray making them extremely expensive

[@Nibba22]

@AVerySillySausage Just turn those God rays off they look bad either way.

[@flowerthencrranger3854]

⁠@@AVerySillySausage It’s because they scale with resolution. Medium god rays on 4K are pretty decent, and on 1080p they are pixelated as fuck. You could get matching quality between ultra godrays and lower settings if you’re playing on a higher resolution.

[@iamtheliquor809]

Bethesda really should have put the graphics settings in the game and not a launcher before hand, fixed the physx bullet debris issue, allowed for beyond 60fps, proper ultrawide support, FOV Slider, HDR Support, DLSS and FSR Support and perhaps some new lighting tech and higher res textures.

[@yewtewbstew547]

DLSS/FSR seemed like a no brainer, especially since the consoles can use the latter. Just strange. I realize a bunch of the settings will be more CPU bound, so it wouldn't make a difference for _everything,_ but you'd at least be able to get the game running at an upscaled 4K/60fps with some of the more GPU bound settings turned up in the performance mode.

[@sklynexd]

But I already have up to 100 fps bro

[@mxrandolph4539]

Who is surprised???

[@paperenoch]

my favorite thing i've experienced is every single feral ghoul in my game has bugged clothes- they're all wearing what appears to be a sequined green shirt with sequined pink pants. coachella ghouls TToTT

[@Ryan-kw2dp]

You forgot to mention the Weapon Debris option only causes game crashes on RTX cards only. AMD and Intel GPUs are perfectly fine

[@joesterling4299]

Right. That surprised me. It's a rather important fact. My GTX 1060 has no problem with that setting.

[@Motion_God]

Yup

[@razvandavid1510]

"forgot"

[@killertruth186]

I did not know that.

[@DanielClear2]

Because it simply doesn't work.

[@konsolkongendk]

This patch is a night and day difference on the PS5. 60fps is great, but the real difference is the change in controller response. It played so sluggish on the PS4 to the point that aiming was near impossible and you had to rely on VATS. With this new patch this has been improved greatly, and while still not the snappiest first person shooter on console, you can actually aim and hit your enemies. It makes a huge difference.

[@CorujaStryxs]

(On PS5) The most annoying thing is that I use a 1080p monitor and I can't use ultra mode at 60fps... It needs to be 1440p to have 60fps in ultra...

[@dark-cn9yq]

Classic Bethesda

[@Trench303]

Really stupid and shortsighted, although at 1080p I couldn’t see much difference between quality and performance anyways so its whatever i guess

[@chrisstucker1813]

How is it possible to mess up the performance mode toggle? Like, how does something like that not get caught during testing lmao ?

[@GangStalker17]

It’s Bethesda brother, we’re in the testing phase NOW

[@ZulqarnainAidil]

Damn. And here I was thinking that they'd finally update Fallout 4. Fool I was

[@sklynexd]

They did tho

[@blimtsk1297]

I expected some graphical changes for all platforms like textures and other things like the witcher 3 next gen.. should have known they would do next to nothing for the next gen update

[@RealSykes]

The fact that the next gen patch was botched for Xbox by the very company owned by Xbox is embarrassing. Regardless, I've played a bit on my Series X and it's a welcome upgrade. While I've beaten it on my Steam Deck/PC, quick resume is so nice. Enables me to pick up and play more freely.

[@PyromancerRift]

The game is 9 years old. The bethesda devs are the worst in the industry for a AAA company.

[@Nintendo_Icons]

No 343 is by far the worst

[@mlxh2819]

Game Freak is the worst.

[@Zenzuu]

EA, & Konami takes the cake for being the worse and scumbags.

[@yewtewbstew547]

Ubisoft. Blizzard. But nah I agree Bethesda are shit too lol.

[@DriveCancelDC]

It's not 9 years old yet actually, DF just can't count. It's 8.5 years old. Of course even in late 2015 it was outdated graphically.

[@Ed_Crane]

I’m already about 60 hrs into a new playthrough on PS5, and it has been the smoothest ride No bugs whatsoever (do people actually play the games??) most of the glitches have been fixed, visually it’s better than what I expected from a 10 years old game running on an engine that was already outdated 10 years ago, and since I dont really care about mods, I guess it’s almost perfect isn’t it?

[@dezmundogaming8780]

Honestly i feel very fortunate to be experiencing this game in the best way possible right now on ps5. The 4k 40fps mode has been really steady and smooth enough to not be distracting. Plus its been like 3 years since i touched the game so its been a welcome return

[@Adri-gw9ym]

Next gen ? Where ?

[@skyhighsunlight]

60 fps and everything is on ultra. They could not do anything. Just keep it as it is.

[@LarsBars17]

Man. The simplified toggle, and strange resolution hoops that you need to jump through... Why not just give 3 or 4 settings in the menu? This is so confusing!

[@LegionIscariot]

Some Creation Kit stuff nobody cares about. They disabled the launcher for the Steam Deck (the launcher is the only way to change graphics settings in this game). And they broke mods. They did nothing to improve the port or the overall experience. This should have been released as an option dlc that you can choose to apply or not.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

How could anyone from the Bethesda/ Microsoft Management (like Todd Howard) give this a blessing for Release!? Especially with Microsoft as their new owner?! Do they even ask any gamer what there is expected and check on matching those expectations before pushing the button for release?! And for that "update" the Fallout London expansion was put on hold?! ... Bethesda. Bethesda never changes. I don't get it why their games where so anticipated! I mean ... the era of Skyrim is long gone. Gaming moved on. On PC AND on consoles.

[@Mmongiardo]

How could they not notice quality mode on xbox did not work before dropping it? Maybe someone in the industry can explain? Just seems crazy. It’s more understandable to miss small bugs that randomly crop up all over the game as they do with bethesda. But this is like 1 major thing that is a feature of the patch

[@nolram]

Game developer here - this seems like a bug in this particular build. Most likely an incorrectly configured UI element or script. Should be easily patchable though

[@Vartazian360]

The fact they gave their competitors the advantage 💀 Do they even have QA?

[@mauriciochacon]

At this point they just forgot xbox

[@shazboz]

Well they fixed a game breaking bug for me. I Always faced a black screen on startup or maybe like 2-3 mins of gameplay until the game would crash consistently. My playtime since owning the game was only 28 mins when updated the game to the next gen patch. Since the upgrade this crash has been eliminated for me.

[@NothingHereForYou]

You know its bad when you have a growing trend of your first party games being better on the competitors console.

[@BewareSabotage]

Initially it still had the half-frame rate bug on Steam Deck OLED as well. Basically it would only display half the frames. Literally all they did to get it Steam Deck “verified” was remove the launcher, which had the added side-effect of leaving you unable to adjust any graphics settings

[@lightechoes]

I'm sure you can adjust ini's in desktop mode, but that's just ridiculous.

[@hihihi1q23]

Imagine buying an Xbox Series X because it was marketed as the most powerful console ever made, only for Xbox's own games to end up looking and running better on PS5.

[@Mathieuacc]

Im not surprised Playstation runs remakes and remasters well, its all they have lately 😊

[@Neon_Plasma]

@@Mathieuacc bruh did you really try to pull the exclusives card in Xbox's favor? The brand that has been releases mid to bad exclusives for a decade????

[@crestofhonor2349]

It runs the same, you just lack the modes that should be there

[@Mathieuacc]

@@Neon_Plasma I mean, I'm sorry if I hurt your feeligns but I didn't say anything that wasnt factual. Let's see, Demon's Soul, FF7, Last of Us remake and remaster, Horizon, Spider-Man, Silent Hill 2 that looks abysmal. Should I continue ?

[@AttakusZakus]

@@Neon_PlasmaAll PS5 has had this generation is remakes and mid sequels that cause fandoms to fight with themselves over character models so much so they bully actors, story elements that make them think too hard, and lash out at PC players for getting their games years later. PlayStation; best place to play? It’s in a downright sad state and full of angry, spoiled, brats that want more soup.

[@kooijbas]

How do you release a visual update where the toggle for the visual update doesn't do anything? Do they have quality control at all?

[@jjforcebreaker]

The oblivious incompetence of so of tech people at BGS is truly staggering. Are these guys held hostage in the bunker somewhere, without any access to the Internet, unable to acknowledge how these things turn out, what's the response and reception from fans and critics? They have no clue about the work of modders, that have been holding this game together since the release? I'm not saying they should, idk, fix the debris hardcrash setting, implement some basic accessibility/QoL features like UI scaling, or pay creators of Community Patch and implement these fixes, but even basic, common sense courtesy like giving a heads-up to the creators of Fallout 4 Script Extender is non-existent. Some BGS higher-ups are way too comfortable in their positions and feel completely immune and unmovable- maybe Microsoft should finally change that.

[@bopeswiththemost4415]

Quality mode works but magically is 60 fps and lowers visual detail to match performance mode. That’s how it’s supposed to run. Duh! Also space is supposed to be boring! User opinion is wrong! Our poop is chocolate, now eat it up, peasants.

[@allansolano5587]

Basically they bump resolutions of the one x and ps4 pro versions add the new content and call it a day, they for sure start working this update on january at best

[@123GhostMonkey]

The real problem is they first said the update will come out in October 2023, but didn't start working on it until March 2024...

[@dave93x]

So on PS5 I should change my resolution to 1440p and turn Performance Mode off to get the best visual settings with 60fps? I have a 4k 120hz TV but don't care about 4k if there's a way to get 1440p 60fps with better graphical quality. Edit - Performance Mode is irrelevant I remember you said the game logic detects 1440p and sets a default. Is that default 60fps with the better graphics?

[@maybebutwhatever]

You really think slightly better LODs distance is better than x2 resolution that will be native on your tv? And there is additional graphical bugs in 1440p mode lol

[@DrJones20]

Shadow draw distance is still low at 1440p

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@maybebutwhatever It would be 1.5x but otherwise yeah

[@TheGlowingOnee]

@@DrJones20that shit really bugs me, how could they not increase shadow distance? Shit is mind boggling to me

[@dave93x]

@@maybebutwhatever any improvement I can make on this pathetic excuse of a "next-gen" update is a positive. And at points in the video it's not slightly better either, in some areas it's very noticeable

[@Salamattder]

6:09 if your next console can’t run the previous gen games at ultra, you don’t need the specs enough.

[@acutemallard2216]

I can’t play find my saves when I load up the ps5 version and I was playing from the ps4 disc version so idk if my saves a locked to the disc itself or it’s something else

[@Bry.89]

Bethesda's days are over if they don't seriously reconsider how poorly their tech has aged and consider significant upgrades.

[@Nick_Lavigne]

I still love that the houses in Fallout 4 are Lustron Homes.

[@plume...]

I can only imagine by those patch notes in the bug fixing section, that someone walked around Bethesda HQ shouting "HEY!! Is there anyone here that worked on Fallout 4 that still works here, and can try and sort out a few bugs??" It seems one person said yes and agreed to do it in their spare time over a few weeks. I jest, but that iteration of the engine simply isn't able to improve upon lighting, changing certain settings on the fly etc. without a massive amount of work to updating it to the current Starfield iteration of "Creation Engine 2" (which is still shit, BTW, just a little less). And they didn't update it to the Starfield iteration. I love the nostalgic feel of the Creation engine and how Bethesda games make me feel cosy when I play them as I've gotten used to their limitations/foibles, but they REALLY need to sort this out now. Things like physics tied to fps and mystical settings in .ini files being propagated across the internet as gaining a million fps have been going on for years in all Bethesda games, and it's fun! But.. I think they just need to get past that engine. Please... Wait... isn't Elderscrolls being built in Creation Engine 2 too? also, isn't that at least 6-7 years out? ...Fuck...

[@balaam_7087]

A time traveler visited me 5 years ago and showed me Mr Morgan’s excellent video we’re watching here, and the time traveler told me that one of these platform holders actually bought Bethesda. I said, “Surely it was Sony, judging by the footage.” I did not believe him when he told me it was Microsoft. Looks like he was right after all

[@joshuawilloughby2696]

Bethesda is owned by Microsoft now... how did they bork the xbox version?? Also surprised no one was talking about the missing textures for the creation club content they added in the update (unless i missed it from spacing out)

[@teriperi1592]

For PC. The High FPS Physics Fix mod works great. Let's you do high fps without affecting the physics.

[@ibrokemykeyboard]

The actual next gen patch was me playing on a decent pc with a few visual mods. Too bad their next gen patch broke everything. I had to roll back to the previous version. 😂

[@AttakusZakus]

I’m actually afraid that one day I’ll have to update on PC. My laptop can run it really well, but this update may kill the dream completely.

[@GameDynastyPro]

😂

[@Blitterbug]

Absolutely loving the new content. Was 150hrs into a new PS5 playthru when it dropped and admittedly it was a bit of a bugger, it told me to re-download all DLC, fine - but then no performance mode toggle! WTF! urned out I had to re-download all 60GB of the main game, and THEN re-re-download the DLC AGAIN. But having done all that it's fantastic. Crashes to the OS about every 20-30 play hrs, but it always did so. So save often! And go the Enclave! They are hard bastards.

[@CoopCollins]

So let me get this straight on a Xbox owned game studio game. The games is under performing then on the other console ?🤔

[@darkking615]

They just care about ps more than xbox

[@Irreverenze]

​@@darkking615 xbox fanboys can't use the Playstation bias rhetoric anymore now than Microsoft owns Bethesda.

[@bluejay4812]

@@Irreverenze Dude the only thing Xbox has over PS at this point is mod support, because Sony’s 3rd party asset rule is still in place on PS5, Bethesda just does NOT give a shit about Xbox.

[@criert135]

@@bluejay4812Xbox has vastly better backwards compatibility and emulation also

[@shezanjimenez]

The "Quality" mode looks the same and there are no changes in texture or draw distances on XSX.

[@AttakusZakus]

In fact the draw distance may be worse, or at least shadow distance.

[@1wayroad935]

Playing through it again with the Next Gen update has reminded me how much I hate the settlement building portion of the game.

[@EthylJogodo]

loved how you walked us through each step, so helpful!

[@aymericprx4098]

You din't talk about the artifacts in the rendering of the godrays on AMD GPU also glitching on xbox/ps5 as you can see at 8.49 (noisy and white dots appears)

[@aymericprx4098]

this bug realy need more coverage :'/

[@Aliothale]

It's not a bug, that's what it looks like when not on the Ultra pc setting for Godrays. The quality mode for console is not true ultra settings found on PC. You also aren't getting Ultra shadow quality of distance either.

[@aymericprx4098]

@@Aliothale i am not talking about the pixelisation effect (that’s normal like you said) but there is some noise and White dots when the godrays are rendered on amd gpu Check the vidéo.

[@fernandoblengio]

This channel makes it as easy as possible to the Developers. They can just come here, watch the video and get on coding.

[@abeaconintheoffice]

My experience on PS5 has been fairly consistent for the last couple of days. The frames maintain a constant 60, very rarely dropping to any noticeable degree (At least to my eyes) I have experienced multiple crashes though. At least one or two per play session. Not ideal but also nothing to complaint.

[@abeaconintheoffice]

@@kajerlou I agree with you and I don't think it's crazy to criticize the status of the update given that crashes more often than not It is just that, given the context of BGS as a developer, FO4 as a 9-year-old game, and this was a 'free' update, I guess I can settle for the small 'miracle' that it just kind of works.

[@INSANEDOMINANCE]

I can’t remember if I played this on a 970 or 1070 and 4790k, but I did enjoy it at 1080p 30-60fps. Still one of my favs of all time. I might have to get the dlc and try with my 3070ti…

[@219SilverChoc]

Still cant get over how there's no improvement to the woeful shadow draw distance on console, no attempt to increase it closer to PC and/or add a fallback solution like Unreal Engine's Distance Field Shadowing. Not that surprised considering it's developed by Bethesda.

[@DrJones20]

I know, it's terrible

[@Neb_Raska]

Increasing shadow draw distance will kill performance, it even happens on high end systems, it's recommended to have it at medium settings.

[@DrJones20]

@@Neb_Raska It would easily work on 30 fps mode

[@219SilverChoc]

@@Neb_Raska I’ve seen a ton of games that have significantly better draw distance while running and looking better, even if it has to fall back on a really basic cascade, they are still there unlike the awkwardly glowing distant scenery of Fallout.

[@D1ab0lical]

Worst part of the PC patch for me is that, for some reason, turning off vsync in the config or in the driver settings doesn't affect borderless or windowed mode anymore. So the fps is stuck at 1/3 refresh rate (48 fps in my case) unless I use exclusive fullscreen.

[@Davemate]

Think about it - only Bethesda would patch a 9 year old game, with the knowledge that all the Mods the fans made will break... to add this? A ton of the older Mods will never be updated and the authors won't return to them. Lost forever. Every "Patch" from this company makes more work for the fans, every time

[@DriveCancelDC]

8.5 years*

[@cht473]

Every patch requires some work from the actual developers 😂

[@OhWell914]

That's odd, when it comes to PS5 I had results closer to what IGN's performance review reported, I had zero drops or stutters during the Corvega segment, and I'd even say I've had no drops or stutters at all, the only hiccups really happen when the autosaving kicks in. I've also had the same reported texture issues at Glitch Quarry and some weird anomaly on the outside of the corvega factory but both were resolved by just closing and reopening the game.

[@relucentsandman6447]

Why would you expect Bethesda to fix this update when they didn't even bother to fix the known issues that have been there since launch. Bethesda game studio needs new management.

[@exarkann]

The update for the One X broke mods as well. I'm curious what other damage the last gen stuff took as part of the update.