Fallout 4 Next-Gen Upgrade Patched: Fixed on Xbox, Improved on PS5 - But Issues Remain

Fallout 4's 'next-gen' upgrade launched with a range of issues - not least that the quality mode didn't work on Xbox consoles. Bethesda Game Studios has fixed that issue, but actually opened the door to a whole range of quality vs performance options - and added those options to PlayStation 5 as well. Tom Morgan re-reviews the upgrade with a comprehensive range of testing, finding that the new options are welcome - but the intrusive hitching isn't and needs addressing.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:07 - Is the Xbox Series X/S Graphics Mode Toggle Fixed?
03:32 - PS5 versus Xbox Series X/S Visuals Mode Comparison
06:48 - The Benefits of Running at 30FPS Over 60FPS
08:28 - 1440p and 120Hz Output Modes Tested
09:48 - Performance on Xbox Series X
14:02 - Performance on Xbox Series S
16:05 - Performance on PS5
18:00 - Final Thoughts

[@D-OS_II_Fan]

Corvega Factory should be renamed to The Digital Foundry.

[@3ofSpades]

It should be renamed to HoH SiS foundation repair. Because there is nobody better to get the JoJ.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

@@3ofSpades That doesn't even make sense

[@dnakatomiuk]

I was playing last night and went there for the bobblehead at the top and boy you could see some lag and poor distance drawing. I'm going to see how it runs on my PC but that's 1080p so probably better than the 4k which my system can't

[@VividMac101]

@@3ofSpades because when you need foundation repair, you want foundation repair and you want to save a lot of money right? You want someone that cares more about the JoJ than anything else. Customers even say they would do it all over again.

[@VampireNoblesse]

truth is, Corvega Factory (& downtown Boston) are not the real stress test areas.., the real ones are in the "outer wastland, between big areas" (+ lots trees or other structures).., that's where the game reay gets in its knees and stutters & freezes

[@zeemmarax]

I wonder how many hours Tom has spent at Corvega.

[@Zastrutzki]

And it doesn't even look visually striking. It's just "a lot" and makes the game look even more dated.

[@patrickhewitt7899]

He lives there. What you don't see is his apartment behind his character.

[@williehew]

AND they took away the ability to swap modes in-game via the Pause menu. Tom had to do all of this testing via the Main Menu, loading and quitting to try each mode.

[@jakedizzle]

To be fair it loads quick. Would be better if the game reset and on its own though.

[@FilthEffect]

Not hitting max pc settings on a game that looked dated when it 1st came out is kinda tragic tbh

[@OhWell914]

Classic Bethesda optimization

[@Burythelie]

Yeah it's a bit ridiculous. Bethesda absolutely dropped the ball on this. 30 fps setting for a 10 year old game is an insult.

[@EternalNightingale]

they’ll update the game again when the ps5 pro comes out and then it’ll reach PC settings probably…

[@fireshorts5789]

on top of that my fps are capped at 48 on my 144hz screen on PC and overriding it in the .ini either made it stay the same or lowered it to 40. fail.

[@PumpedSmartass]

Well yeah, but they can’t rewrite the engine in a performance update …

[@irishgiant5150]

As much as updating this old game sucks for all the mod breaking, I'm glad to see another publisher give both a 40fps mode and trust in VRR for a 60fps high visuals mode. We were all told to go buy 120hz vrr displays for this generation, its about time mandatory 30fps is left in the past where it belongs.

[@raven80wolfx2]

Lol, just wait for games to come out. If you actually have games pushing the hardware, 30 fps will be the cap. This generation is so slow that the few games that run at 30 only are the more demanding games. Meanwhile, a 2016 game is struggling to run at 4k without a scaler. It's cool to have options, but these consoles are hitting a wall. You will need ps5 pro, but there will be games that run at 30 fps. You can quote me on this.

[@user-ck7ny8ek2o]

40 should be the new 30 for games that struggle at 60

[@davidalvarado9957]

Considering 60 works so well why would you ever go down to 40? Definitely not worth mod breaking at all.

[@user-ck7ny8ek2o]

@@davidalvarado9957 because on 40fps you get a locked 4K resolution and not a dynamic 4K, mods might work better on console but for me there's far too many conflicting issues on PC to make it worth it hence why in my opinion I believe 40fps is a good middle ground, yeah it ain't no 60 but my eyes can get used to the feeling of it much more than 30.

[@davidalvarado9957]

@user-ck7ny8ek2o you'd barely notice the resolution difference in actual gameplay so 60 would be better. Framerate > resolution always.

[@infinitysynthesis]

Hope they fix the stutters when you enter a new area and VATS being bugged. A bump of storage space for mods would be good too.

[@Door_Into_Summer]

I think PS is still locked to in game assets only for mods too

[@infinitysynthesis]

@@Door_Into_Summer Yeah that sucks. I'm on the Series X. Amazing mods but only 2gb of storage. Skyrim has 5gb and i wish they would add more to F4.

[@thebaffman4898]

The stutters when you enter a new area are unfortunately part of the engine. They've been there since Morrowind, they are still present in Starfield. You can only hope to reduce them by brute forcing with powerful hardware.

[@infinitysynthesis]

@@thebaffman4898 I never had them before the update though. Same with Skyrim. I know MW and Oblivion had them as a loading popup would show on screen. I just don't remember noticing them in F4 before the update.

[@thebaffman4898]

@@infinitysynthesis I don't know, I'm still playing the old gen version and it's full of stutters especially in downtown Boston. Also in other dense areas with a lot of buildings.

[@joinkusbelinkiusthethird]

I wish they would have have fixed some bugs and performance issues on pc. You can still softlock a couple of quests, weapon debris still crashes the game, bugs everywhere. Kind of ridiculous

[@lurkingsoldi2107]

Mods everywhere too

[@cosmicgamingunlimited]

Watching a DF video of a game I bought 9 years ago. Not even a DF Retro video either. 😂

[@SpongeBob.Ripped]

They are milking Fallout 4 as hard as possible just like Skyrim

[@PGVladimirovich]

​@@SpongeBob.Rippedtoo bad they won't be able to do that with Starfield 😂 Ahhhhh, who am I kidding. Won't stop them from trying.

[@dr.eldontyrell-rosen926]

@@PGVladimirovich Executive bonuses don't grow on trees

[@dankswank9088]

Well, it does have to be 10 years old to technically count as retro to DF

[@mrsupergt1]

No they grow out of the graves made up of fired employees and the hard work their corpse's leave behind....​@dr.eldontyrell-rosen926

[@sergiogomez_9]

You should also have talked about PC version. It is incredible game FPS are still tied to physics. Weapon debris still crashes the game when enabled. Loading times are incredibly high sometimes. Not even the bare minimum has been fixed.

[@officialdcshepard]

I’m betting Alex will in a separate video. Looking forward to that since I’m interested in running the Game Pass version on my Steam Deck via Windows 🪟 dual boot 🥾ing.

[@thebaffman4898]

Regarding loading times on PC, there is a mod that disables the FPS cap during loading screens, incredibly it makes the game load a lot faster.

[@brandon_nope]

they discussed this in a DF Direct

[@onelifenotenough]

@@thebaffman4898actually, there are mods that fix all of the mentioned problems: one mod that unties game physics from fps and uncaps the fps during loadings, another mod(made by the same author btw) which fixes the weapon debris crash(it makes the debris to not have collisions, so it’s not perfect but the game at least works), also there’s a mod that decreases the amount of stutters during running, and the unofficial patch which fixes a lot of things throughout the game

[@__G___]

Didn't ask

[@BritproGamer]

All those frame drops, especially around downtown boston are more than likely down to the engine rather than the systems themselves. Even on high end hardware on PC's there are drops around downtown.

[@thebaffman4898]

Yeah it's because the engine is so outdated it barely uses multi core CPUs.

[@shimigami92dk]

@@thebaffman4898 it's easy to say and it's probably would be a lot of work but I feel like they're really should do a proper Next Generation by porting Fallout 4 to the starfield engine

[@infinitysynthesis]

@@shimigami92dk Creation Engine 2

[@midnitesnac]

It’s the shadow draw distance. You can crank all settings up, but soon as the shadow distance is passed the medium setting it starts to drop. I believe there’s just too many objects using shadows including items that are not present on screen.. Consoles definitely have that on the lowest settings and medium quality shadows. With that said I believe Bethesda knows why the game performance is shit, but the general public doesn’t so they are keeping quiet.

[@devinmurray5280]

There were lots of mods to greatly fix that on PC

[@DanFarrell98]

They really just said fuck it and gave everyone all the options rather than fine tuning any mode.

[@Breyzipp]

Thanks so much for the continued review of this patch Tom! You rock! 🙏

[@b4ttlemast0r]

This is a nice development. Since they let you freely choose the framerate target, would be nice if a framerate counter was also included, so that you can see if you are hitting the target or if you should switch to a different one.

[@GamingPaRa]

Wow that was fast. Thanks for the quick upload thomas!

[@Aragorn7884]

even with the update it's crazy it can't run 4K 60FPS fluid...

[@AzaiaMonota]

Well you are essentially running a 2015 game on 2018 level hardware so it's not that crazy

[@Aragorn7884]

@@AzaiaMonota ...but the game debuted in 2015, it wasn't developed in 2015.

[@lightechoes]

⁠@@Aragorn7884 Irrelevant to performance.

[@RubberCudder]

Fr… The game is so old… Sad…

[@reynutz]

@@AzaiaMonota Yes it is, that makes it worse lmao... My PC was okay in 2019 and I can run this game at 90fps+ in 4K today. (Should lock it to 60 or it runs too fast but still)

[@razorruke]

It should be noted that running at 1440p on Visuals/60 on PS5 is still the way to go for balance between visuals and stability. When the patch came out, my last save was at Diamond City at night with rain. I had very noticeable drops loading that save in 4K/60/Visuals mode right away, but when I closed the game and reset my PS5 resolution back to 1440p and selected Visuals/60 again.. the drops were gone.

[@Mannya53]

What I'd really like to know is if the 40 fps quality mode on PS5 is any different to the prior patch. I know they address it is "the best way to hide hitches" which makes it sound worse, when in the written article for the prior patch they noted that it ran near flawlessly.

[@praisetheoak]

At 3:38, the PS5 footage is missing LODs, objects, and details in the middle section, and the terrain appears to be present at a lower poly-count. The blue car in the distance, the truck, and other structures there are absent in the middle of the road but are visible on the Series S. This suggests that the footage may be mislabeled or there is an issue with the PS5 version.

[@zacharialopez4284]

Nice catch

[@thedcgaming5]

probably a bug as they noted it about a minute later that's it's even lower than low settings

[@kamil_atakan]

Keep watching the video. He adresses it a minute later.

[@Juxtapose1313]

This is how it's always been on PlayStation versions of the game, oddly. However, these details are missing on Xbox now as well. I noticed it last night and others are confirming it in the official Discord. I then went back to Xbox One X, and they're now missing there as well.

[@lil_mOO]

@@Juxtapose1313 It's weird, they are actually there on PS5 until you look elsewhere in the same area and then go back to the same spot and it's gone. Buggy game.

[@ionamygdalon2263]

Thank you DF for making this video! :)

[@AzaiaMonota]

I'm so glad they added the freedom to choose the graphics and frame rate target on console even if it isn't perfect now this will greatly benefit the game in the future on better hardware

[@shakengandulf]

PS5 Pro will be interesting till xbox releases something.

[@chalk-one]

On PS5, using VATS in the 60fps visuals mode is an interesting experience. It's a slide show in many instances. It's completely playable, but I often fear the game is about to crash as it starts lurching to a crawl.

[@JLudd]

Same for me, it doesn’t have this issue in the visual 40fps interestingly or any other mode for that matter.

[@chalk-one]

@JLudd in the 40fps mode, do the VATS UI and target selection indicators disappear in heated battles? When using the 60fps setting I'm seeing that quite often, along with characters, lighting, and backgrounds flickering in and out of existence.

[@dave93x]

One thing they desperately need to add is deadzone/aim acceleration sliders. Luckily I have a Dualsense Edge, so I've been able to mess with the right stick curve, but it's still not ideal. Fallout 4 has one of the biggest deadzones I've ever encountered.

[@Anna_Rae]

Not on console unfortunately, but one cool thing on PC is Steam Input's "anti deadzone". It does an awesome job at counteracting large deadzones forced by the developer 💕

[@dave93x]

@@Anna_Rae there are Xbox mods that fix the aiming, but need someone to do it for PlayStation. Should be a standard in all games to be honest, though. I may end up buying an Xbox copy.

[@thebelowaveragegamer9013]

I've noticed on series X the covega factory has the same LOD as PS5 if you come to the factory from the opposite side to the super-duper mart however if coming from the Lexington area/ super mart area it does have the ultra LOD as seen in the video could this be the issue?

[@livestronger925]

Been trying for an hour to get the sound to work on PC. Everytime I load the game up u can hear the Intro, then the screen turns black and then there's no sound at all. There is sound when playing in windowed mode and there's sound when I don't use mouse and keyboard. For some reason there's just no sound when I load the game in full screen with mouse and keyboard.

[@prauwnsauce]

I think it’s just sad to call this next gen without something as small as a fov slider or even brightness settings

[@mandrews6282]

Didn’t Bethesda tell us the XBox version was working as intended before? Lol

[@dystopiawanderer]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I shouldn't be surprised by companies blatantly lying but it upsets me a bit more than it should. I'd like to see an apology from Bethesda, not that it's going to happen.

[@UncleJemima]

never trust Bethesda simple as

[@WayStedYou]

yes because they have no idea what they are doing

[@VxHokage007]

Standard bethesda bs

[@solid_justice5855]

I also remember alot of Xbox fanboys claim they did not see any difference between the series X and PS 5 version. That DF was lying

[@seth4321]

Incredible, in-depth work, Tom! Thank you!

[@ClapperDan]

5:19 This shot reminds me of Fallout 1 and 2 🥲

[@iliastsarouchas8997]

im playing on series s with visuals+60 fps and it runs really good, havent felt any huge stuttering either

[@eruannster]

I tried turning on visual mode + 60 FPS on PS5, but I kept running into an issue where being in VATS has huge stutters and the UI also gets really buggy. The text for the percentages flickers in and out (and sometimes disappears completely, leaving empty green boxes with no numbers). Turned back to performance + 60 FPS and it works fine. It also seems to trigger worse in buildings/enclosed spaces and better in the outside world which is... very weird, considering it should be drawing less stuff in an enclosed space than in the open world? I encountered it when I was in the Boston Public Library, but I would assume the same issue persists across other areas in the world.

[@JLudd]

Yep same issue, it also affects cutscenes via dialogue camera where it stutters there the same as it does with VATs. It’s a tad annoying the reviews don’t mention this as it’s a big issue.

[@Victor-wi7vr]

That was incredibly informative. Thank you, Digital Foundry.

[@Marioheat]

did they fix the issues with creators club items?

[@marconihimself]

DF, let me preface by saying Im a seasoned modder and porter of mods for fallout 4 on xbox, and I really wanted you guys to shed some light into a terrible thing we're facing in that platform post april 25 update. Some mods have been causing an issue which kicks the user back to the main menu if you click on their descriptions. Also, you can somewhat randomly be rendered unable to access the mods menu itself, basically getting permakicked until you clear your mods reserved storage and lose everything. To make matters worse, if you decide to keep playing with your active mods instead of clearing the reserved space, the game may deactivate all your mods at random, basically forcing your hand at clearing the reserved space either way. The xbox community was eagerly waiting for these issues to be fixed in yesterday's patch, but it wasnt even addressed. No one's feeling comfortable with the idea of playing with mods at the moment, and whoever's doing it is aware that it is doing so while risking losing the entire mod load order at any given moment.

[@DogCheese420]

DF mostly focus on performance and visuals. Mods aren’t really their thing. There are plenty of other channels that discuss those problems.

[@TheAlienGangster]

Can Bethesda please decouple the creation club content from the main install? Some of us just like to play vanilla and this inflates the install size.

[@MesonW]

Good vid, but it would be good to include more commentary on how VRR improves the drops.

[@user-ic8yo9sr5k]

Did they fix the map markers and pink textures in far harbour? Thanks

[@TheProphegy]

I’m on PS5 and I think the game looks really good and runs great on performance.

[@thomascros]

Yes 🙌 it’s a pleasure to play it again and like this !

[@romxxii]

What's really astounding was how minimal the crashing was compared to PC.

[@MiguelMakesMusic]

that's how I'm playing it now. I don't have time to be tweaking settings endlessly so I'm not sure if this update is actually helpful or not.

[@sanguina555]

Did your ps5 fan get louder in big area?

[@schoolboymanny6564]

Hope they cover the starfield update when its released.

[@yahyax4882]

It is

[@offspringfan89]

Done.

[@Gwynbleidd_117]

I’ve been playing on visual @ 60 fps with ps5 set to 1440p resolution. You get about the same picture quality but a seemingly better draw distance and not too many fps drops that I’ve noticed so far but I have explored the middle/southern part of the map too much yet.

[@ToneBoy10001]

Emm. Just a question..why should i use the Performance when i have a 60fps cap in Visual mode?

[@coffeeaddicted4495]

this update makes no sense on pc.....

[@themarcshark]

Fallout is a franchise for console.

[@Door_Into_Summer]

But it supports 16 by 9 now?

[@coffeeaddicted4495]

@@themarcshark you're genius

[@evoandy]

@@themarcsharkthen why is it on my PC?

[@EscobarNotPablo]

@@themarcshark?

[@CerberusLetsPlay]

All games should come with a 30/60fps toggle to future proof them for backwards compatibility on the next gen of consoles

[@leruty]

+"120 fps", PC´s max settings + 4K forced mode

[@SweetFlexZ]

As a PC player no, all games should come at 60FPS MINIMUM, sorry but 30 is not enough in 2024, I don't care how slow paced the game is, 30 is simply not enough. Console players should ask for more instead of chewing every shit they get.

[@Anna_Rae]

​@@SweetFlexZyou're really missing out on some amazing games if you think 30 fps is unplayable. Lots of older, but still awesome games run at 30, with no 60 fps patch in sight. I love playing games at 120 fps, but 30 is fine enough for me personally 💕

[@SweetFlexZ]

@@Anna_Rae I'm not missing out anything, I love gaming and I've been doing it for a long time, I obviously understand the limitations of some systems but we're talking about modern games on modern hardware and in that scenario less than 60 is not enough, this being a debate in 2024 is crazy.

[@johnnyblaze9217]

@@SweetFlexZdepends on resolution. Expecting 60 fps at 4k is a tall ask even on gaming machines with 60 series cards.

[@greens117]

Thanks love your uploads, also I love to watch them when I need to go to sleep lol. Not in a bad way, I hope you understand.

[@vert9317]

So if I have a 1440p120hz monitor with VRR, I should play on visual mode at 60 FPS right? (XBSX)

[@Adam-mo2qw]

Ps5 performance 60 Probably best then. The 40fps visual is pretty good but just not as smooth as I like. Much better than 30 though.

[@TReynard11]

VATS still broken. *sigh* Come on XBox....

[@enjoi0555]

What do you mean?

[@jamesnunez9418]

Why tf you blaming xbox and not Bethesda? Why so many mfers let bethesda slide on quality control.

[@Tbonetron1701]

@@jamesnunez9418well seeing as how Xbox owns Bethesda…

[@ukgamer9363]

learn to aim, vats is for ppl that cant aim.....(+)

[@JustinLesamiz]

I've been playing this game for dozens of hours since the next gen patch and VATS has worked correctly the entire time. What are you talking about?

[@user-nm3se4gc7t]

What about 1080p resolution on Visual Mode 30fps? Would that be better on the visual quality? Would that even lower the fps drops?

[@djfranck23]

Did they fix the vats bug where the hit chance kept going from 95 to 0 even at point blank?

[@ronin84]

Tried it out on PS5 for 15 minutes but the low FOV killed it for me. Wish they included a slider but I get it... baby steps.

[@jhonrock2386]

The 40fps mode is awesome, Its soooooo smooth and consistent.

[@heksen800]

40 fps smooth? Are you deranged by any change?

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

@@heksen800 If he likes 40, so what.

[@wikwayer]

​@@heksen800do you own 120 hz monitor ?

[@jordanr.4856]

40fps in a 120HZ container feels great.

[@EternalNightingale]

Yea the 40 fps mode is nice the best option for consoles atm been playing survival mode on ps5 only had 2 crashes cause molotovs the game does not like them in certain areas

[@ChristopherConnors]

This really helped, thanks!

[@thawhole9]

Re: the drops on Series X in 60/Visual mode, wouldn't VRR clean up most of that on an applicable TV?

[@soshady9572]

Yes.

[@ChisponGroxo]

I remember playing FO4 on an i7 7700 back in the day and shadow draw distance was a extremely intensive, playing above Medium caused the FPS to drop horribly in the city area. No wonder why they wouldn´t increase the setting on console, considering their CPUs are still weak.

[@thebaffman4898]

The CPUs are not that weak, it's just that the engine is outdated and hammers a couple of cores while the others sit there doing nearly nothing. Also the downtown city areas put out a huge number of draw calls that would stress any CPU.

[@ChisponGroxo]

@@thebaffman4898 yeah, if the engine is old then there's not much that can be done.

[@WayStedYou]

the cpu in the consoles is better than a 7700

[@AmandaBaker-qy7cr]

You definitely deserve more recognition for this!

[@tom_123]

Good analysis, Tom.

[@EmilDahlMusic]

No mention of VRR? Does it help?

[@MDE1992]

So definitely 60fps/ visuals mode with a VRR-screen

[@SolarMechanic]

4:52 The LOD difference doesn't seem that clear-cut. In that first shot PS5 is clearly using MUCH higher quality models from the mid-distance onwards. Just look at the bridge, and all the cars on it on PS5 that are missing on Xbox.

[@CMKESKIN]

Even some part of the bridge on the ground is missing

[@JustinLesamiz]

There were plenty of shots were the PS5 was also missing models where they were present on XSX. I'm betting this is a game issue, and not a hardware issue.

[@CMKESKIN]

@@JustinLesamiz yeah most likely this will be the case

[@user-rm4ct8cp8b]

Sonyboy

[@lucassaldanha5855]

4:18 look at the tree branches in the horizon, or the sharpness of Washington monument before.

[@michaelwill5972]

Question..How am I able to see the Difference between a 1440p image and a 4k image while watching on my 1080p phone

[@TheAlienGangster]

Luckily, Fallout 4 uses TAA which blurs the image heavily on lower resolutions, so if one looks sharper it’s likely at 4k

[@AzaiaMonota]

Because it's essentially the same concept as using DSR where you render the image at a higher resolution than your screen and then downscale that image to receive a cleaner image at a lower resolution

[@brymsd8895]

Because the examples are zoomed in which means they are a lower resolution but they’re the same number of pixels apart giving you an insight into the difference while still displaying the original image.

[@urbanshadow777]

I never got the update... I keep checking and it says I am up to date. Still got all the same issues it had post upgrade. No idea what the hell is going on

[@JustinLesamiz]

Reboot your console.

[@ibrokemykeyboard]

The absolute state of BGS smh

[@ClutchTacticsGaming]

It's crazy these consoles should be powerful enough

[@sammysalgado1475]

They ARE,with companies seem allergic to letting everyone push them and they deadass want us to buy new consoles soon 😒

[@ClutchTacticsGaming]

They tryna be like the shitty ass phone makert convincing people they need to upgrade every damn year lol I hate it. A consoles life can and should be more than 5 years IMO​@@sammysalgado1475

[@Mopboy4K]

You used console and powerful in the same sentence which is a contradiction

[@TheGlowingOnee]

@@Mopboy4Kwell on paper these consoles should be able to run the game on maxed settings, come on now

[@subjectivereviews]

Bad coding dude

[@richies_muse]

can someone educate me pls.. why would you s elect the 40fps option on a 120hz display and not 30 or even 60fps

[@moosejaw50]

When loading a previous save on the PC Gamepass version it doesn't recognize the installed DLC. I'm not risking my survival game save until they fix that. So I haven't played any of the new patches due to that bug.

[@TheProphegy]

Call me crazy but if there’s some dips in high cluttered areas it don’t really bother me. You’re talking about 10-20 max frames(to 40fps). That don’t bother me.

[@Eleu8erios]

Loving the game! My running time is just over 4 days. ❤

[@SirPhoenixofSoCal]

Wait so both performance and visual modes both support 4k? The only difference being some dips depending on if U wanna use 30/60, shadows, and draw distance? Can someone help me understand this right. Cuz at the top left under performance and visual mode, they both say 4k. And there’s an entire section in the video that says running visual mode at 60 won’t have 4k but the top left says otherwise

[@dunk79jmf]

Yes, in the video Tom says DRS is used and in performance mode the drops are down to about 1800p on PS5 & XSX, series S drops from 1440p to 1080p The 4k is there to say the system level mode as you can force it to max out at 1440p for XSS and PS5

[@SirPhoenixofSoCal]

@@dunk79jmf got it, thank you

[@michaelproctor8100]

My 65 inch Sony 4K set is 10 years old and is only capable of 60hz and not 120. As a result, my only frame rate choices are only 30fps or 60fps. U have been running in visual mode at 60fps, but now I'm thinking of running it at 30fps to make it more stable?

[@tronam]

Series X has 2 significant advantages though: HDR and lower VRR ceiling making those “hitches” visibly imperceptible. I’m surprised neither were mentioned.

[@JustinLesamiz]

It's Auto HDR and it looks like absolute ass.

[@tronam]

@@JustinLesamiz I couldn’t disagree more. It isn’t perfect, but looks better 90% of the time than without.

[@leruty]

nd Freesync (VRR) support so no need for HDMI 2.1 monitor

[@xxticxxtocxx7909]

Can I just note here, Playstation 5 has an 'HDR Always On' mode, completely removing one of Xbox's 'significant advantages'? Still, I'll stick to PC, but still prefer Skyrim or Fallout 3 to Fallout 4.

[@Capricorn_IV]

​@@tronamI agree with Justin, it looks terrible and I have a flagship 2023 qd oled. It looks truly awful and while a advantage in some games this is not the case in fallout 4

[@spunkmire2664]

And yet, another settlement still needs my help….

[@CheddarProtector]

I’ll mark the location on your map.

[@SolidCastor]

All well and true to have these visual enhancements and such.. buts the real point of this "next gen" update and then needing to patch it for the game to crash to desktop when simply trying to play surten missions such as the vault 88 (crashs when trying to load in 88 at the start of the quest) and also at the end of the mechenist quest line. So not only does it brake the main game but also the DLC. I haven't tried nuka cola world or far harbor yet but don't have high hopes.

[@onebgbdartemis1381]

So did this update also wipe out mods on the XBox or are we safe to update this now?

[@ArathirCz]

The PC version of this patch is an absolute joke. It should have been console only.

[@ryanj610]

Both of them, frankly. They never really did anything for PC other than Ultrawide.... and it doesn't even WORK. Sure, you can create a character now, but still need the mod to fix the UI and hud.

[@AVerySillySausage]

@@ryanj610 All they did for PC is break mods that make the game better. Should have been console only.

[@USA92]

​@@AVerySillySausageAa a console owner I agree. Quite the company.

[@bubsy3861]

It's just a classic case of shitty implementation. If they just make that right it will be perfectly ok to have.

[@zoomet9061]

Too early, i can't see people fighting over his favorite console

[@user-ce1nf1fx2z]

Syberia 4 runs worse than Cyberpunk.

[@Door_Into_Summer]

Deus ex 1 runs best on PS2

[@user-ce1nf1fx2z]

@@Door_Into_Summer Disaster Report 4, it couldn't even reach 15fps.

[@telboy007]

Atari ST 4 life

[@user-ce1nf1fx2z]

@@telboy007 Only thing that could beat Lionel Rich tea.

[@lightyagami8377]

Can you still run 1440P at 60 FPS regardless of modes selected?

[@12HDudeY12]

What happens when playing on a 1080p display? Will the game run in the 4k or 1440p mode?

[@HarryB4497]

They gave all this freedom but didn’t give people the freedom to choose an option for maxed settings. Noticed some nasty graphical bugs that were introduced with this update as well, and Bethesda is probably finished with this now…

[@TherealPlayfourlife]

I agree. Pre patch on ps5, the game was great. Now it's having trouble hitting ultra settings, and I have the resolution set to 1440p

[@mr.b6415]

I swear that the ps5 version running at 40 fps on a 120hz tv has gotten worse. It used to be buttery smooth but this last update broke it and made everything judder and a pain to look at.

[@ashs4022]

I still have problems on PS5 during weapon reloading animation. If I’m outside a power armor, then find a power armor and equip it, I lose the reload animation for any weapons but the one equipped… but, after any “quick save” (auto or not) happens, then I lose the ability to reload any weapon. Solution in game, is exit the power armor, then reload the weapon, then get back into power armor…. Works, again, until any quick-save happens then lose weapon reload animation. Advice?

[@mistermcking8445]

What happens on PC with the Tower View and the Minefield?

[@thejimmichanga2913]

This should have been a console specific update. I see no real benefit to updating the PC version and breaking the script extender. With a few QOL/engine fix, performance fix mods you can get FO4 running better than it runs with this BGS official patch. This nonsense only halts progress on the major mod projects like FO London, FO4 New Vegas, FO Miami, and FO Cascadia. Hell, if it weren't for this nonsensical "patch" we'd all ve playing FO London right now.

[@tekelupharsin4426]

Bethesda couldn't find their own ass even if they had a map.

[@mjc0961]

No lies detected

[@JustinLesamiz]

Yet they've developed several of the absolute best games of the last 20 years. Hmm.

[@tekelupharsin4426]

@@JustinLesamiz Yes they have. Skyrim is still one of my favorite games (1300+ hours). But post Fallout 4 (2015) they can't find their ass with a map.

[@tekelupharsin4426]

@@XAV-117 lol nobody gives a phuck about Starfield now. It's a mediocre game with some fun to be had. It's a far cry from the charm of Skyrim or Fallout 3 or 4. Skyrim currently has more active players than Starfield does.

[@tekelupharsin4426]

@@XAV-117 I found the Starfield fanboy. Nobody cares. Starfield gave Xbox Game Pass less than 1% of a subscriber boost.

[@como.faz.tutoriais]

Great review!

[@agent_mc]

So does this patch fix the previous patch and will a new patch need to be developed to fix this patch ???

[@Capricorn_IV]

The latest patch just released to fix the next gen update issues and now they've messed this patch up as well. Now auto HDR is enabled in fallout 4 even with auto HDR turned off in Xbox settings. Makes the game look gaudy, too bright and unnatural

[@JustinLesamiz]

Yup. You have to disable HDR at a system level to get the game to look vaguely decent. They should at least add a "toggle & restart" option on the game's menu.

[@Capricorn_IV]

​@@JustinLesamizEven with auto HDR disabled in the settings, it's still enabled in game. I cannot disable it

[@WayStedYou]

They are called BUGthesda for good reason.

[@SabiJD]

Have you tried NACX (Lite)? HDR seems to make it trickier to fine tune (perhaps a NVG mod is also interacting iffily with it. too early to tell), but it's surely the best tool any Xbox player will ever have with Fallout 4 visual tailoring (e.g. brightness, contrast, saturation, skybox luminosity, sunlight, etc. there is a HDR value, but I've not fiddled enough with it to sus its changes).

[@matthewsmith3817]

​@@Capricorn_IV It is incredible how the console's Auto HDR setting does not work on native Series X games that utilize it. Auto can look good with bright highlights, but then you realize the destruction it can do to black levels. I would say that inconvenience is another reason to play on PC, but that version is plagued with ridiculous bugs.

[@sellingacoerwa8318]

"A settlement needs your help!"

[@SpartasEdge]

Thanks DF for another great analysis.

[@ChicagoMade]

Does vrr help 4k 60 visual mode?

[@tom_123]

What about PC and Steam Deck? The update was also targeted at those.

[@IHaveBadWiFiBro]

these updates had no reason to come to pc edition, just a straight shot at telling mod creators to deal with it

[@tom_123]

@@IHaveBadWiFiBro Agreed. They should have left the PC version alone.

[@headred76]

Wait wait wait, are you telling me that a PS5/Series X cannot match a $3000 PC?

[@TheAnubisz]

Isn´t the 60fps visual mode the best on PS5 with a VRR display?

[@MrMightyZ]

So what was your experience using a VRR display??

[@russelllapua4904]

Maybe they should be putting out an updated patch for FO76.

[@JustinLesamiz]

Seriously. It's dumb that we don't have a Series X optimized very of 76

[@nicolasoliveira4903]

​@@JustinLesamizOptimize what? Runs at 60 fps.

[@silversquid1814]

They… did? It’s not a next-gen native version like the new Fallout 4 update, but they did give 76 a patch enabling 60 FPS on PS5 and Xbox Series.

[@guillermopaolini9895]

It just works

[@Burebista_82-44B.C]

After the Patch, the game running perfectly in Performance 60Fps mode and stunning graphics in Visuals(4K) 40Fps mode on my Xbox Series X 💪 I understand for a 9 years old game it's difficult to bring a native 4k with 60Fps,but it's working great even with those 40Fps with gorgeous graphics on Visuals (native 4K) ❤️👍 Great job Bethesda, you finally fixed the bug on Xbox Series X 🥂

[@vampiszon6620]

16:53 man I hate when big shadows appear like that on objects...

[@frankstone2510]

Fallout 4 is an amazing game that do not work. keep crashing and crashing. i tried everything and it just crash more. So that game is dead for me. The only game from them i still play is Skyrim. Starfield is a beauty but boring as fuck.

[@YellowBriefs]

Still no FOV slider Still no fix for weapon debris on RTX Still no fix for loading screens tied to framerate Still no way to change graphic options from the game itself

[@YellowBriefs]

@@aaa4181 stating facts ≠ crying

[@VisualCake]

Bethesda... Bethesda never changes.

[@MetalGearTrav]

Did they fix the 25m draw distance issue on the ps5?

[@TheExtraTerrestrial]

What is best for a PS5 with VRR TV? Visuals and 60 fps? Occasional dips to 50 don't seem bad. Still better than constantly playing at a lower framerate, IMO. I guess I will try it. I've been on perf and 60 up til now.