The Technique Beginner Drummers Don't Spend Enough Time On

[@Pariko225]

20years of drumming and still learning. After struggling for so long I came to this open close stuff you’re teaching. The beginners who watch this video, you guys are lucky.

[@JhasaelRincon]

I am a self taught drummer. I´ve used this technique withour really knowing. It just feel natural. First time I see an explanation. Really good!!!

[@DimitriFantini]

love to hear it!!!

[@dadstermac]

Im a 71 yr old self taught drummer, gigging out since 8th grade. Can't wait to try this. Sooo many bad habits.

[@joelstaib]

Best doubles instruction I have ever seen on YT. Thanks bro.

[@DimitriFantini]

ah thanks so much Joel!

[@jpinjp]

Awesome video. I've never had great technique (easy to see in my vids) so your channel has been a blessing on overcoming years of bad habits.

[@DimitriFantini]

happy to help!

[@magnusvanttinen7855]

Now This is the perfect tutorial. Thanks so much.

[@DimitriFantini]

You're very welcome!

[@maxspielman6296]

Such a great lesson! Thanks for sharing

[@rishikeshpandey3495]

I have been learning wrist-only strokes recently, and found myself doing this naturally. Which makes sense I guess, because even when doing wrist-only strokes, the fingers are supposed to stay lose, which means they would open/close at least a little bit. Hopefully I am not on the wrong track, haha. Great video by the way.

[@vicloyo3928]

Amazing video, love your concept and it makes total sense, thank you! Also, what is that practice pad that you have ? Is it home made or is it actually a brand and where can we purchase it? Best…

[@glenndrums1]

Really Amazing explaination.Thank you

[@rammers2802]

Is there a way to apply this to 3 or 4 stroke moellers, or are they completely separate techniques? Thanks for the video, 12:55 was a nice touch haha

[@DimitriFantini]

you can absolutely incorporate this with moeller, I do it all time. Planning a vide on that suject!

[@MikaelNitscheDrums]

A lot of people commenting on this being push/pull, but I'd argue a big difference between open/close and push/pull is actually the lifting motion after the second stroke. Practicing open/close means practicing not just open first stroke and then close stroke with a lift, but also all open and all close strokes. This makes the lifting motion a separate part of the stroke compared to push/pull which is more like a 3 stroke Moeller without the 2nd stroke. Moeller and push/pull comes more from the arm and wrist while open/close is basically all finger. Just my silly thoughts. :)

[@FoivosAndriopoulos]

Well I can Argue that Finger Movement is done by wrist. See the T-rex posture of the hand he demonstrated , and you will see all fingers open by default. then you pull the Wrist up . all fingers close. So is it a Finger movement or is a wrist twitch ? or is it Both ??

[@MikaelNitscheDrums]

@ As always when it comes to physical mastery it all comes to a point where it starts to blur the lines and everything more or less becomes a hybrid of all the knowledge and skill we've accumulated. :) I think to clearly define what is push/pull and open/close we have to look at the lifting motion and whether it's a part of the stroke or something that's being doing by a separate movement. In push/pull you're actively using the rebound to prepare for the next downward motion, in open/close you're not and the lifting is an active motion although you may find that the rebound is helping you in that motion. Push/pull is like dribbling a basketball, open/close is like hitting a ping pong ball. I'm not gonna comment which of these techniques Dimitri is using, but I can tell you they FEEL very different to actually play.

[@DimitriFantini]

primarily it’s from the fingers… and then when the stick strikes the drum the rebound carries the wrist back up :)

[@brent3760]

@ 6:18, I would avoid this in newer relationships, in fact I would suggest waiting until marriage.

[@FoivosAndriopoulos]

Sub Earned! You will be my main go to when it comes to show people what the motions should feel and be like! (On additional Note , I think that some techniques are just half formed techniques of play stop , to other techniques that have constant motion . With the case of Push pull and Open Close with hands , being simular to Slide and Heel/toe on the feet . With Constant Motions you kinda use both and to make leaps and break bounds of human capabilities in the extremes. But Now I am Getting nerdy and out of topic xD)

[@DimitriFantini]

yes the motions for this change and feel different when they are up to speed; they are more fluid and feel even easier!

[@yourfather8865]

The way you explain how to do it reminds me of the first steps to get a blast beat, just with a lot less strengh

[@DimitriFantini]

if by blast beat you mean a gravity blast, I learned that from my teacher also in my first lesson! ... but back then it was called the freehand technique, my teacher was friends with Johnny Rabb who invented it! I only learned people called it a gravity blast recently!

[@yourfather8865]

@@DimitriFantini Yeah I got the terms confused, blast beats include other parts of the kit, but require to know gravity blasts. That's a very interesting coincidence that you were taught by a friend of its inventor haha

[@DimitriFantini]

It’s a small world! And it was even smaller 25 years ago 😝

[@llRoBoBinHoll]

2:45 Outer Wilds sound effects😀

[@JunkerOnDrums]

Interesting - do you have any suggestions regarding traditional grip? :D

[@NVS4LYF]

Dimitri, drums have become my saving grace in dealing with depression (double bass in particular). Unfortunately I live in an apartment building and don't want to piss the neighbors off. Which would be a better investment: an electronic kit or a "quiet kit with quiet cymbals?" Either one would be my very first.

[@DimitriFantini]

well first of all I’m so glad you’re here and that the drums are helping you! for your very first kit, I’d recommend an e-kit. lately I’ve preferred a regular kit with mesh heads and quiet cymbals, but you’re not gonna get the experience of what drums SOUND like that way, so I’d come back to that version later :)

[@darrencox3984]

Looks like you have a moving fulcrum. Changes from the down to up positions

[@leoplastocas6780]

I promise I’d try to saw it like “open and close “ technique but still feeling like push and pull 🤨 can you explain exactly how it’s different please thanks

[@DimitriFantini]

the names are made up and lots of people argue over them, but the names don't really matter haha when most people say "push pull" today, they are referring to a * french grip* position where the thumb _pushes_ the stick down in to the second position. the technique I'm teaching here is german or american grip, without the thumb action. Instead, the wrist propels the stick down like a normal wrist stroke, but instead of your hand accepting the rebound and bouncing back up (like a normal rebound or free stroke), the wrist stays down, the stick opens the fingers, and you're in the second position ready to close the fingers... so it doesn't feel like a "push". it feels like a wrist stroke, and THEN the fingers get opened by the stick's rebound. But again, it's a made up name like the rest of any language 😜

[@garye4678]

Good video Dimitri. I have a video by "Gordy Knudtsen Open/Close Technique" which goes into much detail about this subject. It's well worth checking out.

[@senoaji9530]

Would you like to share how to play 16th subdivision (1en or 1 na) with one hand? Thank you so much

[@DimitriFantini]

you can definitely find clips of me using it for 16ths on one hands all over! it's very useful on the hi hat or ride

[@rafaelferrer1]

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[@DimitriFantini]

Vater sent me a few to check out, they are killer sticks!

[@rafaelferrer1]

@DimitriFantini Great to know 👍🏾👏🏾👏🏾🥁🤘🏾 I need Try soon Thanks for your Response ❤️🙂

[@miker5233]

I've been practicing this with one hand will you suggest I start practicing it right to left his double Strokes

[@DimitriFantini]

yes, I suggest both!

[@BornShalom]

should i drop everything else im practicing to practice this until i really get it down? is that how this is supposed to be used?

[@DimitriFantini]

That depends on what else you’re practicing and where you are with that stuff, doesn’t it?

[@BornShalom]

i guess so! i’ll try to implement it in different ways and at the beginning of my practice sessions. i’ve been playing for about 2 years and my grip has significantly improved but nailing this would definitely transform my drumming

[@DimitriFantini]

@@BornShalom then I'd say get cracking!

[@congamonty]

What about traditional grip?

[@DimitriFantini]

that’s Buddy Rich’s domain

[@U2WB]

Ummm, this is exactly the same as the push/pull technique. Joe Morello called it “catching the bounce.” I play exclusively traditional grip, so my left hand movement is a bit different.

[@thebanned5331]

So it “pushes” your fingers open and then you pull them back to close your hand? But it’s not “push pull”? 🤔🤔

[@DimitriFantini]

with “push pull” you use French grip and your thumb pushes the stick. The names are made up anyway :)

[@GeoffBosco]

Why is this different than push pull, tho?

[@DimitriFantini]

push pull is a french grip thing with more thumb action, I explain it in the video!

[@GeoffBosco]

@DimitriFantini Huh...watched the whole thing, not sure why I missed that. Thanks for answering twice. Lol

[@DimitriFantini]

@@GeoffBosco you had me second guessing whether I mention the difference in the video! lol

[@madziicube]

So the first stroke on the snare assumes a rebound. But what about when you’re playing on a low-tuned floor tom where there’s no rebound? Is this technique only good for surfaces that provide a good rebound?

[@warrobotslifehacks5139]

It's not the best choice for the flour tom. This technique are good for ride, hi hat and snare especially for one hand 16th patterns. But you will stuck soon if you would use incorrect velocity, grip and motion. There is much more details, than he told

[@DimitriFantini]

I tend to use this only for surfaces with rebound. I can pull doubles out using this technique with low rebound (like a low tuned tom) but it takes more work and practice! I prefer wrist strokes only for that type of surface.

[@Sinhadrums-828]

Wow

[@jackbritton5082]

Looks exactly like push-pull...how is it different?

[@jackbritton5082]

Bro literally says, the stick "pushes" open your fingers...I'm just confused is all.

[@DimitriFantini]

what most people call push pull is a French grip technique, and the thumb pushes the stick. The names are all made up anyway!

[@jackbritton5082]

@@DimitriFantini You did teach it well though.

[@jimpearson399]

I call it drop/catch

[@onesyphorus]

guys check out ramon montagner he takes stuff like this to the next level

[@pioryba]

Saying "100bpm quarter notes = 50 bpm 8th notes" is a kind of misleading :). It can be interpreted in different ways: 1. 100 bpm (where we name each beat a quarter note) = 50 bpm (but we name each hitting the drum an 8th note) - whatever we call that, 100 bpm is always twice as faster and not the same as 50 bpm, 2. 100 quarter notes per minute = 50 8th notes per minutes, which is obviously incorrect - the relation is the opposite 100 quarter notes per minute = 200 8th notes per minute, or alternatively 50 quarter notes permute = 100 8th notes per minute. 3. Finally, and this is what you perhaps mean, „bpm = beats per minute = quarter notes per minute” (so, by a beat, you mean a quarter note), then playing quarter notes in 100bpm tempo (i.e. 100 quarter notes per minute) is the same as playing 8th notes in 50 bpm (because there are 100 8th note per minute in a tempo of 50 quarter notes per minute). Anyway, I also prefer your interpretation of „bpm” and use it. :)

[@DimitriFantini]

bpm = quarter notes per minute is generally implied here yes so 100 clicks in 60 seconds = 100 clicks in 60 seconds

[@doclogic]

I think I started doing this accidentally when learning how to alternate between edge and top of the hi hat

[@Harlem55]

What you refer to as a buzz roll is properly called a single stroke paradiddle. (Strike once bounce 4) Rolls are technically longer than a quarter at the speed of 32nds or 64ths. In a concert snare line the idea is to nest paradiddle inside paradiddle.

[@commonsense752]

Right hand, no problem. Left hand………😢

[@kimseniorb]

doesn’t really work on low tuned instruments isn’t it?

[@DimitriFantini]

mostly not. there are exceptions!

[@yorozy5162]

This is literally push pull

[@JigsHidalgoMusic]

Basically push pull in american grip right

[@StevenTaylorDrums]

This is push/pull. You are going to confuse people

[@Patriot-x8y]

Not even, but " super even"

[@DimitriFantini]

super even steven

[@morbidmanmusic]

no time put in is a waste.

[@blueberrypie2722]

I disagree. I've been using the wrong techniques, didn't even play full stroke efficiently, which caused I couldn't play fast and even single stroke. I got tired really FAST

[@ambroulard]

It’s push pull,,, why would you choose to call it something else?? Self aggrandizement.. ??

[@DimitriFantini]

Push pull *generally* refers to a French grip position as I explain in the video … don’t tell anyone this but the names are all made up anyway 🤫

[@sword-and-shield]

UNLESS...you like bashing the kit and hitting hard.

[@klingiiis]

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