DingDong Criticizes Bowblax Video About him Talking About his Experience with the GameGrumps

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[@ScuffedSoldier123]

I see honestly what Dingdongs points were. The main issue isn’t people reuploading or talking about it. It’s the fact commentary channels need to put out false info and turn it into some spectacle. Like Bowblax can’t say “I’m doing this to help you” when he monetizes the video and cuts down parts.

[@ScuffedSoldier123]

I do feel Dingdong was in the wrong for only commenting on Bowblax about it and not other smaller people

[@retr0prime_812]

@@ScuffedSoldier123 To be fair though bowblax is one of the more recognizable commentators out there. Makes sense to call him out. Plus Dingdong might not even be aware of these smaller guys at least yet.

[@brookestarr7571]

@@ScuffedSoldier123 I just feel bad for dingdong. I hope he’ll gets better! It’s heartbreaking going though so much shit like this.

[@almac5446]

And also that "drama" was like crazy fucking old because he left during that whole dream daddy and his concerns around it and it being uploaded around the time where everyone's now dislike of game grumps

[@catboyrepublican2520]

I think the main issue is how Bowblax was just completely disingenuous about it. Like if you're reuploading the stream for archival purposes or even just to stir up drama, if you're honest about it, who cares. Ding Dong said he fully expected people to reupload the vod and use it as ammunition to target people they don't like. But it's that Bowblax did literally the exact opposite of what Ding Dong and Julian *explicitly* said they wanted, then tried to frame it as if he knows better than them, that's why Ding Dong is especially frustrated with him.

[@starhikariblue]

He left twitter. I wouldn’t be surprised if he left the internet completely with how people are acting. Leave the guy alone. Then again? It’s the internet and it’s becoming a dumpster fire that needs to be doused.

[@nerolzaphobia]

Shit like this has been happening for ever. It’s like television, people are greedy little goblin bxtches in it for blood money

[@grimble4564]

It actually wouldn't be the first time that DD completely left the internet to get some much needed space

[@starhikariblue]

@@grimble4564 He's done it before?

[@Gfrog1000]

The rantgrumps or oneyplays fandom or whatever are so weird with how obsessed they are with these guys personal lives and “avenging” them. Clearly DD doesn’t want his situation to fuel more drama.

[@oldylad]

You used the word fandom, and most oneyplays people just wanna know what happened afaik. I haven’t watched the game grumps since that shit went down and never really got what happened but knew the grumps were involved and like dd and j too much so I bet that whatever was going on they were in the right. Watched blowback or whatever because it was the shortest explanation involving the gamegrumps lol

[@Spanishdog17]

The word “clickbait” is so overused nowadays but I can’t think of a better word for Bowblax. I cannot stand his content! It only exists to profit off of others misery, and it’s just poorly made content. It’s not well researched and it’s filled with buzz words like “canceled on Twitter”. Bowblax is no different from TMZ, Keemstar, or those tabloids Karl Pilkington reads. Bowblax doesn’t want to help Dingdong, he wants to make money off of his suicide attempt, while still trying to look noble.

[@lowhp_comic]

He's offensively talentless. Seeing people like him gain lots of attention for what is basically a "reading tweets out loud for dunce cap cabbage children" channel and making out he's doing good is super vexing to me 🙈

[@tali6844]

Ding Dong: "hey this was one of the most traumatizing experiences of my entire life. The only reason I'm going to open up about it is because countless people have been hounding me about it for half a decade. I don't want this sensationalized, I want to move on." Bowblax: "OMFG GUYS DING DONG WAS ABUSED BY GAME GRUMPS? THEY TRIED TO MAKE HIM KILL HIMSELF???????" Ding Dong: "hey can you not be a vulture and stop doing that thing I asked people not to do?" Bowblax: "OMFG WHY DONT YOU APPRECIATE ME!?! I WAS HELPING YOU AND IM ON YOUR SIDE >:(((((( WHY ARE YOU SO TOXIC" literal fucking moron

[@wontonschannel]

You know, you can criticize everything else, but you will NOT smack talk my precious Karl Pilkington!

[@elliswebster7041]

@@wontonschannelI’m with you but he was criticising the shit Karl reads not Karl himself 🥰

[@spimbles]

LMFAO no yeah bowblax content is 100% something that Karl Pilkington would eat tf up 😂😂😂 that is the funniest connection

[@ZebraOnYourNose]

Even in this frustrating situation, Ding Dong still finds the time to make us laugh with a tweet poking fun at how unoriginal drama videos are. Great entertainer he is.

[@ZebraOnYourNose]

9:17 Josh, honey. Ding Dong never made an assumption because it was up to him to decide if you were being helpful or not. You were not "helping," you were "trying to help but making it worse." It's entirely up to Ding Dong if you were helping, your intent is irrelevant. Holy crap, I seriously can't believe I used to be a fan. He's become so insufferable.

[@standoidontwantalastname6500]

DingDong mentioned somewhere on that stream about how people will get offended when they try to "help" and you tell them what they're doing isn't helping at all, here is that exact thing happening

[@HeronSight]

Bowblax is on flamencos level when it comes to drama commentary, he's autistic and unempathetic to the people he covers.

[@nqk_0662]

@@standoidontwantalastname6500 that’s why intent doesn’t matter if it does harm

[@gauvacado1091]

@@nqk_0662 then you need to weigh the harm of nothing Vs something, because this becoming nothing is very harmful and the GG just getting free passes to treat others this way is also

[@nqk_0662]

@@gauvacado1091 but here’s the thing , they don’t always respond to public pressure and also sometimes small matters need to stay small cause then you get people hating on the wrong people who don’t have a clue what’s going on; they misused the story Abd people involved

[@FuhrerHeisen]

Reading through comments. All I'm gonna say to people saying that Ding Dong should not have brought it up. Now having listened to both streams and sadly doing what Ding Dong doesn't want. Which is assuming information. However, I think I have enough confidence and some evidence to back this up. The reason Ding Dong brought this all up and was venting on stream was because Matt came out of nowhere and donated subs. Now imagine you were Ding Dong. Like he said, even his patience wore thin, and he couldn't do the fake performance like so many e-celebrities wish too.

[@hpfan1816]

It pisses me off that people on the internet can't just realize they made a mistake, admit they are at fault and face the consequences. When you double down on something when you are clearly in the wrong it makes you look more like a douche then you already are.

[@OhHeBustin]

Yeah lol I had 0 problem with ding until he banned and blocked me for being nice

[@Deadrum]

@@OhHeBustin what exactly did you say to him?

[@HeronSight]

Bowblax is notorious for this. His autism is in part to blame, but after a while, ego gets the better of most drama/lolcow youtubers.

[@wontonschannel]

@@Deadrum "Damn, what did he do to make them n****s so mad?"

[@Deadrum]

@@wontonschannel 😂😂

[@zetwave]

How to prank youtubers like bowblax: report for misinformation

[@sebastianesquivel5011]

Found this video after wanting to look at one of DingDongs videos just to find out everything on his channel, including his stream VOD channel has been either privated or deleted. I think this whole situation is a good example of why people shouldn't be online all the time and get so involved with the people they like to watch. Ding Dong shouldn't have said anything at this point, at least not on a stream. Of course you can't blame him, it's something he must've had in his chest for a long time, so venting about it even a little is completely understandable. But it's his problem, and no one should get involved. Maybe give some advice, offer some sentiment, but not get involved. Only he and anyone his situation pertains to should be involved. Do I like Game Grumps? No, I think they're shit, but just because I feel that way doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to try and confront them or do whatever to defend someone I like watching. It's exhausting to see so many people do videos like these (not this one we're on now specifically), they could genuinely be trying to help, but also gain clout and some money on the side. I really hope people start getting tired of it too, stop watching streams/streaming themselves so much and just do something else, live their lives. The whole idea of being a streamer/KZbinr has been corrupted, peering into peoples lives this deeply is unnecessary. My heart goes out to DD, as he has been one of the only KZbinrs that has earned my respect over the years, and didn't deserve everything he has dealt with, and I hope he'll come back one day. Stop involving yourselves into KZbinrs/Streamers lives, enjoy what they do, or just don't watch them if you don't, easy as that.

[@theotherjared9824]

I agree with Ding Dong in that sesationalizing situations and pointing figures without knowing the full story is a big problem and makes things worse. Where I think he messed up is admitting he is withholding critical information that he may never release to the public. That will also make the situation worse, as he is creating the idea that whatever the public doesn't know is truly damning, which breeds speculation. Both sides are making a toxic environment where everyone involved is being hurt, which can only be fixed by someone pulling the trigger and telling all, which no one wants to do. There will be a wave of backlash to someone, but then people can finally have closure and move on.

[@MrRiverFace]

It's his business if he wants to withhold because it's also his business if he wants to press charges. There's no benefit to pursuing charges towards the game grumps because it's very obvious from the hourlong cut of his 15 hour stream that arin wasn't that involved in it.

[@kingstarscream3807]

@@MrRiverFace Police usually press charges. There just isn't enough evidence,

[@welldoopwelldoop]

what I hate is how Bowblax is like defending himself as some kind of purveyor of justice. like no dude you have a KZbin drama recap channel. you have a financial investment in perpetuating drama no matter what you say. there is ZERO element of "trying to help" when he's also making ad revenue off of each video. that's called a conflict of interest.

[@crowthewicked8344]

@The Conundrum Your argument is based on an assumption.

[@spimbles]

EXACTLY yo, thank you. took the words right outta my fingers lol. he has the most pretentious, stuck up ego that constantly makes him say ignorant shit like the "show me 1 lie" reply, its genuinely baffling lmfao he thinks that because he has an ever so slight following that hes some KZbin Drama Kingpin Savior or some equally as self absorbed nonsense 😭😭😭

[@Itariatan]

I felt like a dumbass while watching Bowblax's video, and now it's even worse cause the people who cover news like he does are probably gonna talk about it as well. Tommy C is streaming about it right now. God, when will we learn to not butt in

[@lack_05]

He made a stream explaining everything that happened. You can't cry for people not to talk about what you put on the internet, if you don't want it discussed then don't put it online.

[@Itariatan]

@@lack_05 He made a stream explaining everything cause he wanted to move on for God's sake. It's not that people are talking about it, the problem is, Bowblax made a monetized video, meaning it gets recommended in the algorithm. Ding Dong literally made a 15 hour stream, but that video is cut down to the bare minimum. It's going to get people confused, and then those people will try to use it to bring down GG. Crying is the opposite of what he's doing, he's complaining that people can't respect his very simple wishes.

[@lack_05]

@@Itariatan "he's not crying he's complaining" if he really didn't want it discussed he shouldn't have brought it up period he's digging up things that ended years ago and now that someone is discussing what he said in a video he's complaining it doesn't matter what his intentions are if you don't want people discussing something a good first step is keeping your mouth shut about it

[@PitH0und]

Stop huffing copium for ding dong. He made the decision to do all this. He's not some little kid. I guarantee he doesn't need you protecting him from his own mistakes. "Waah he just wanted to get a few things off his chest!" Dude accused people of trying to get him to KILL HIMSELF. It wasn't like "oh X person was kinda mean to me once." I actually watched the entire stream, unlike all of the DD protectors, and he was seconds from going full burnt bridges with everyone. No shit people are going to talk about it. Don't want them to be confused? Maybe don't make it a confusing mess in the first place. He's at fault because he wanted to get attention and asspats from randoms on the internet over something 7 years old, while accusing people of some terrible shit, but not naming names.

[@Itariatan]

@@PitH0und Ok, you claim to have watched it. But so what, he was seconds away from burning bridges? Maybe cause these people almost used him as a battering ram against GG? Have some goddamn sympathy at least, it's not like pointed fingers at every single person that wronged him. He just wants to move on. I'm not saying he's a kid, but AT THE VERY LEAST you could feel bad for someone you seemingly like enough to watch an entire venting stream of.

[@AlejandroJMA]

Oh my god, this is such a mess

[@BIGBOYGAMING03]

I never really liked Bowblax, he always seemed like he wanted to push false narratives to work in his favor and it really shows in a lot in his drama stuff. I'm not gonna get really specific but there were situations that he discussed that weren't really anything to become controversial in the first place but of course he makes sure that he makes it as personal as possible.

[@nownow4323]

After that video he made about D'Angelo, I already felt like bowblax was slimy with his content

[@nerolzaphobia]

@@nownow4323 almost like every commentating channels, they were first hateful bullies in early KZbin, now they all want to be heroes.

[@Wrench55154]

I think he does it more as an archival of what interesting tweets he saw, which from my experience contained both sides, sometimes scewing to one side. But then again, people on Twitter like to dog-pile, so usually you see more on one side than the other. I don’t know if Twitter does this, but it might also show him more tweets on one side than another, due to previous searches and other data. But will all things I could be wrong, always good to stay skeptical.

[@Wrench55154]

Though I can agree, BowBlax should have let this one alone.

[@ibstummyhurt8057]

@@nownow4323 d'Angelo is a legitimately horrible person, though.

[@nibiru2x410]

I love Ding Dong to death but he really should have just named names if he didn't want people trying to figure out who he was talking about. Just let it all out instead of getting mad about people trying to know who he was even talking about. The only named person was Matt and he apparently "did the least".

[@retr0prime_812]

I have to sort of agree with you. At this point it probably would be better if ding dong just revealed everything however I do understand why he doesn’t want to. He’s tired of it, he doesn’t want to reveal everything because then he has to remember it, guy just wants to move and I can’t blame him. And back then a lot people outside of game grumps accused him of lying, so he doesn’t want to risk public backlash like that again. Plus one of the reason why I don’t think he want to do it is because game grumps seems to be more than petty enough to try and take legal action against ding dong for decimation.

[@borelespork4510]

But it's not our or anyones business to dwell into DingDongs personal and professional life unless he himself opens up about it. He has made it clear that he wants the drama to die out, so naming names would just make things worse. Now it's sad that he can't say anything, let alone vent about his situation without being used as content by vultures like bowblax. One of DingDongs main points was that he didn't want to be anyones content, but as with everything to this situation, it just need to be turned into a spectacle. The real problem is that we don't have a solidarity between people but rather a crippling addiction to profits and fetishizeation of entertainment figures.

[@retr0prime_812]

That’s another great point. If he did come out fully on what happened. No doubt that the commentary community will swarm this hypothetical situation like sharks. And with the amount of hyperbole are within those videos. Yeah I can tell how much of an issue that can be.

[@PriestessofGenbu]

all I'll add to this whole mess is that if people can get away with something, there is a good chance they will keep doubling down. Hopefully with this coming out the "bad guys" will shirk back and realize that, even indirectly, weaponizing anonymous people on the internet can be bad for your reputation and brand. That, or they find a new scapegoat to place on the alter. Oh well, humans love to repeat history, lol.

[@OhHeBustin]

Ding dong has been banning people willy nilly on reddit too, it's really sad to see your heroes fall like this

[@lilisky7748]

Im not gonna fully dwelve into this with my opinion but all i wanna say is- I hope DingDong and Julian are doing well. They're really talented artists/streamers and they seem to be very down to earth and kind. I wish the best for them! :-)

[@fattymcfatfat5]

Bruh I like bowblax's stuff usually but be should just take down the video honestly, save him the drama and hate.

[@Spanishdog17]

I dislike Bowblax but this is a very reasonable comment. He can’t pretend to be a hero when he just makes sensationalized clickbait.

[@fattymcfatfat5]

@@Spanishdog17 Exactly, dingdong was very clear about what he was saying. And bowblax should respect that.

[@mauropereira187]

Then there’s Nicholas Deorio with his opinion that almost nobody asked…

[@mauropereira187]

Also to be clear, the other reason Ding Dong was upset by the video was because the drama would be milked by commentary channels for financial gain (ads and such). He knows the story has already been said, was there any reason to make a video out of it if the situation already died down years ago? (Not excusing GG at all just saying) I think he only talked about it because it was his decision to and didn’t think that it would brought up again this way since it was already talked about. Also Nicholas needs to mind his own business instead of antagonizing people for calling out someone who has nothing to do with this side of the youtube community and make a buck out of people’s struggles with ads.

[@spimpsmacker6422]

Nick's opinion just screams "I need to larp as being this cool and jaded guy because I'm a sad insecure loser irl who needs to compensate for his micropenis"

[@wolfnation100]

dd is so articulate and just knows exactly what he needs to say. it's just a testament to how bright and wise he really is. i sincerely hope they're doing well for themselves, i hate that it had to be dragged out again

[@NoNameBagu]

This is quality update material. No ads, no “Welcome back everybody“ spiel, and best of all no clickbait to be sniffed nor seen

[@dodsonboys]

All of Ding Dongs videos just got deleted off of his channel

[@lazarus_reversal]

People are being so weird in this comments section.

[@CB-qg3yh]

If you really want to support Ding Dong, then stop making videos about the subject. That's what he wanted

[@isaiahgonzales9989]

Imo, cats out of the bag. When you talk about horrible events and getting no justice because of a certain group of people, you should absolutely not be surprised when people seek it. Now, milking the subject for views and money is another thing entirely, but my previous point remains.

[@hrisafenio]

dd completely wiped his twitter i hope he’s alright

[@majorgnu]

Don't worry, that just means he successfully removed a significant mental health hazard from his life.

[@callofthehackfraud3427]

It wouldn't be the first time he's wiped his Twitter. He'll probably come back to the internet when the smoke clears on this ridiculous drama.

[@hrisafenio]

@@callofthehackfraud3427 he did a stream saying it was his last so ig hes quitting from the public eye

[@GroovyWill]

I feel an agreement to both ends of the beef here. The Game Grumps office can't be all full of villains I'm sure, but speaking up about the issues should be important. I have nothing but respect for DD, but I'm worried that he's painting what ultimately boils down to a knee-jerk concern and frustration to obvious injustices as mere "sensationalism". I agree that BowBlax shouldn't have monetized that video. Even as far as drama channels go, this content revolves around the events of not too long ago, and running ads on someones' vent session was a mistake. DD talked about some heavy stuff during that stream, I can't imagine what BowBlax did in showing it is worse than what happened to them at the office. Regardless, in Bowblaxs' shoes, I sympathize with wanting it to be made known that these things go on behind the closed doors of a channel their audiences enjoyed. Myself and a lot of my friends whom I met through Game Grumps fan groups and pages are LGBTQ+ folk, and I don't think any of us would have imagined this. That's not blood in the water, that's not sensationalism, and you can bet a fortune people would've cared Game Grumps or not. Workplace harassment isn't ever taken lightly, certainly not when it involves peoples' sexuality. BowBlax was arguably doing what he felt was right in doing what he usually does - talking about it. He didn't twist your words to villainize anyone, he just showed clips from the stream. In any case, that's an outsider's perspective. I have no way of confirming or denying the events described in Bowblaxs' video nor DingDongs' stream, and that means' my opinion is flawed and ignorant. In any case, I'm not out for blood, I just hope DD and Julian can peacefully move on without harassment, they shouldn't have been met with that to begin with. As for BowBlax, while I sympathized with the sentiment, I think he should have taken the video down like DD asked. It is ultimately DDs' content he used to make the video and his words he showed to make the case of its' content to begin with. I don't see bad guys in either end between them.

[@BloodMarket]

I was wondering where the hostility in the recent comments of his video where coming from and now I have the full picture. Thank you

[@thesalvadorianwarrior798]

It’s so easy to hate than it is to love.

[@majorgnu]

Love leaves you emotionally vulnerable. Hate is safe. When in doubt you can just find another way to rationalize it and keep doubling down on it.

[@MrYulienskate]

It makes sense to think of hate as many ppls' comfort zone

[@YOURWORLDSAFANTASY]

I hate anything that leaves my comfort zone, i know it's a toxic behavior. Yet i cannot stop. It became natural for creature like us to hate so easily, since being monkeys with anxiety made us fear things that does not exist. Why should someone be afraid of different tastes, different opinions? It's a complicated question.

[@ibstummyhurt8057]

I don't really agree with anyone here, blowbax was a scumbag for leaving out big details and not asking permission ; while dingdong is right, he won't let anyone discuss this situation which allows GG to victimize more unassuming people who want to be a part of their company.

[@ibstummyhurt8057]

I also understand that what's on the internet stays on the internet, but that still doesn't excuse that blowbax did this without dingdongs consent and fucked him over with more drama and bullshit.

[@Benjamslikestrains]

while i agree with you, it's ultimately dingdong's decision. i've been in dramas before (nowhere near comparable to what he went through, to be clear) but the fear of what will happen if you do something is crippling and causes you to just stay silent and not do anything, even when saying something would be better. he's trying as hard as he can to be a nice guy, to move on and try ignoring it even when these people are still monitoring him which i can completely relate to, but i think the only way to get them to truly stop is for him to actually do something. they've seen that they can walk all over him and fuck him over with no consequences, so they're going to keep doing it :/ also, i watched a lot of bowblax videos and i've honestly never seen anything from DD, but bowblax really fucked up here. i don't think he's a bad person, but i don't think he comprehends what he's done and the damage he's caused, i can't see how anyone could take his side here

[@ValentijnEnJack]

DingDong and Julian are both so cool.

[@gauvacado1091]

I think honestly there is an element not being talked about here, it is not ok that game grumps treated them this way and I'm glad it's getting re uploaded so that it doesn't just go away, I was subbed to GG for a decade and this was the straw that broke the camel's back, it's not ok for GG to just act like this didn't happen, it's not ok for anyone to.

[@wontonschannel]

Y'know, it's pretty obvious that Bowblax shouldn't have uploaded the video, but I wonder how many future Ding Dongs will be spared from the same actions from GG? The silver lining here is that now people know that Game Grumps is capable of doing.

[@SmoothCriminal12]

Let me be clear that I do have sympathy for what Ding Dong and Julian went through, and I truly hope they find peace. But that doesn't mean it was wrong for Boblax to make a video on it either. At the very least, this is bringing attention to the shit way Game Grumos treated two gay employees, and I think that's at least something positive to be taken away from this situation. But once again, I don't think its wrong to report on public information made public BY Ding Dong himself. Its one thing to say he got something wrong, its another to vilify someone for simply making a video (Which is what a lot of people are doing).

[@justdirt]

Ding Dong was put into an unwinnable position. If he had released anything damnimg, the internet would've forgotten about it and him and Juilan would be subject to death threats for the rest of their lives. If DD doesn't come out with anything, the people who did the shit thing walk away with no consequences and Drama channels get to rehash the "drama" for views. Ding Dong tried to do niether and just let it die so he could just be on the internet in peace, but then eventually did the latter and is now off the internet. Bowblax is a horrible person. He fully cut up the stream to spin the narrative everyone at GG was an evil paranoid homophobe.

[@Warlord-dc5un]

The problem with dingdong is he essentially made this himself, he decided to rant on the internet (that will now always have a mark on it) and was extremely vague about the entire situation. He's now shocked *insert surprised pikachu face* that people who are trying to understand the entire situation ends up not getting everything right therefore should clarify, however what he does instead is responding in such a petty way which only brings further attention to it all but in the worst way because the biggest villains (the gamegrump members that caused such pain) are getting off scot free. Dingdong also can't expect to go on to throw essentially what are accusations then go meh rather not elaborate on anything. Don't get me wrong I think what bowblax completely ignoring the wishes of the victim but I just see that this could've easily been solved if everyone didn't get caught up in emotions.

[@JackCollinsGames]

This is exactly what i was trying to say in the comments of bowblax’s video yet there were these people talking the shit i said out of context to make it seem like i was “victim blaming” (even though i was not even blaming him for anything at all)against dingdong and that i was a “egocentric selfish asshole” that “didn’t care about him”(even though i actually did care about him and felt sympathy for him but felt like that if he didn’t want anything being made public then he shouldn’t have had made anything public in the first place)even though none of what was said about me by those people were true at all so i will say this once and i will say it again though i do think that bowblax should have had respect dingdongs wishes i felt like if dingdong did not want people talking about it then he should had not made it public in the first place and heres the thing when you make something public it mostly becomes public forever just like mostly all things on the internet Edit: also the fact that these people in the comments of bowblax’s video are still now taking the shit i said out of context to make it look like i am a “sociopath” who “doesn’t care about other people’s traumas” is ridiculous and just goes to show how disingenuous hypocritical, and manipulative these people are to try and silence people like me because they think i “don’t care about” victims of trauma or abuse when these mfs won’t even let me take about said trauma or abuse because it “wasn’t supposed to be made public” even though it was made public(on a livestream) in the first place

[@Woombi]

Yeah everyones is really going to take your opinion seriously when you add Pokémon memes into your point. The thing about victims of abuse is that professionally they get the bottom line of what happens. Or at least they should, considering the comfortability of their lives. Ding dong had a venting stream(that was condensed into the 20 minute video over 15 hours) and he didn’t want to make any more hassle out of it than he or Julian have already because they have clearly been affected by it in such a negative way that they want nothing to do with this topic anymore, or anyplace that they would have been blacklisted from the eventual fallout. It’s quite frankly not your place to say whether or not the “grumps have gotten away with it” because the information is out there and I’m sure there was hurt on both sides of the conflict. How big the power dynamics are, or however you want to spin the poor working conditions dd and Julian went through, they were the ones that went through it and like they said in the clip they are still dealing with it to this day, so people trying to take anything they say and use it for new stuff to attack game grumps with aren’t actually trying to protect or help ding dong they just want to hop on the bandwagon. If they really cared they would respect the wishes of them.

[@Bessux]

@@Woombi Helping taking down companies like Game Grumps and help people avoid meeting the same fate as him is more important than his immediate comfort. You are right, though: I do not care for his wishes or his well being. Why? Because I place a greater value in actually taking care of the problem, of which he is clearly running away from. You are dying on a shitty, self-defeating hill. Another DingDong will pop out in a few years because this one keeps digging himself a deeper grave.

[@Woombi]

@@Bessux can I ask you a question then just to try and understand your mindset

[@Bessux]

@@Woombi No.

[@ironoakstudios2026]

Bowblax more like Blowblax

[@yosos2]

Bowblax is such a rat

[@cupoftea3499]

I am taking the advice and dropping it, though I am removing my subscription from game grumps, I was already on the fence about them seriously being watered down over the years but after this I don't think I want to be a part of that number.

[@spimpsmacker6422]

Game Grumps was pretty much a diet coke version of itself by the time Jon had left, so whatever value they had as a channel was already gone for a long time.

[@cupoftea3499]

@@spimpsmacker6422 They still has funny moments, but this just feels horrible

[@FuhrerHeisen]

When people consistently liked the co-hosts (jontron, dan) more than egoraptor, the next person to be replaced should be arin.

[@Poliswag7]

Him leaving the video up and replying with that comment literally proves he did it for clickbait views and NOTHING else

[@spimpsmacker6422]

yeah and the dude has the audacity to say that he's trying to "help" DD when he's blatantly ignored his pleas and reasoning. Dude is proof the drama community is nothing less than a crowd of predatory, opportunistic sociopaths.

[@Poliswag7]

@@spimpsmacker6422 scum of the earth humans

[@KATinBLACK]

Ugh, everyone is kinda wrong in this situation. If you want to move on, don’t vent it all out one last time to the whole world. Leave it be because bringing it up again, even with yourself, will just fan the flames again. And when you’ve made a mistake just admit it, or don’t say anything and silently acknowledge it for the future. I think both DingDong and Bowblax could have had harmless intentions, but the consequences were so bad. Next time you want to move on from something, think twice about venting online. And next time you want to talk about drama, try to think about the other party’s wishes (or y’know ask em!)

[@Wrench55154]

Agreeable take

[@spimpsmacker6422]

I don't think DingDong ever said specifically that people weren't allowed to talk about it, what he didn't want happening was for giant drama channels like Bowblax to hyper-sensationalize the story and make things worse by pouring gasoline into the flames. And honestly DD was right, all this has done is attract even more unwanted attention from toxic communities and has pushed him to the verge of leaving the internet. Just because information is "available on the internet" doesn't automatically disassociate you from how you use it.

[@PitH0und]

It's almost like complaining for hours upon hours about internet celebrities without naming names, refusing to elaborate at all, then mocking anyone who is interested by saying they are always wrong and stupid for even being interested will cause them to talk about it. Huh, maybe you should have vented to the loving boyfriend next to you and not thousands of anonymous people online.

[@waltuh2412]

Most bait comment imaginable

[@charlie1234500]

Lmao I don't want logic and common sense to be applicable to this mess! I want my favorite parasocial e-celebs to recognize me for defending and regurgitating them and their words except they never will and will only recognize people who are negative to them because they're borderline lolcows so cope and seethe.

[@r.henryjr.1533]

@@waltuh2412 Name one inaccuracy, go on.

[@buupdraws]

@@r.henryjr.1533 he's talked to Julian about for 5 years and wanted to make a statement and vent then wanted to be left alone because people keep bugging him and Julian about it and it's something that affects him to this day. This is why nobody talks about their mental health publicly because of people like you and the original commenter, you guys think this is all for clicks and likes because your stupid brains can't comprehend that people don't want more drama when they speak out they want their old lives back.

[@404TVfr]

@@r.henryjr.1533 ... uh... what? Like, this was basically a public venting session. Nothing more, nothing less. You seem to think that's a bad thing. And yeah, tbh people *would* take it out of context. Yes, the video was sorta (SORTA) clickbaity, as it did end up removing a good deal of that context. If you really can't understand why DD is upset about this, which I think he was being VERY fair with this sort of community here, then I don't think you know how humans work. Sorry for any typos, as I'm kinda floored and in bed having to type this out on my phone. Hopefully I helped in some way for you to see it for DD's POV.

[@maddiechump]

where's the original 15 hour stream, anyways?

[@seamantsunamii]

Dingdong is a god amongst men

[@ponikoTV]

bowblax is being disgusting

[@inkredibill6352]

At the end of the day. Ding Dong was brainwashed into protecting his abusers (GG). It needs to come out, one way or another, or else more people suffer. Should BB have monetized the videos? Certainly not. Should the truth stay locked away and the abusers left unpunished? Certainly not. It's a moral grey. But the GG really have to be the first ones to face immediate consequences. They are the main villains here.

[@straigjt]

Why did DingDong have to erase all of his social media accounts?

[@ArmedSchizo]

For his mental well-being and we respect that

[@dunewyrm3071]

@@ArmedSchizomore likely because he got called out for not having any proof of his insane claims

[@fewglow5076]

​​@@dunewyrm3071insane claims like the game dream daddy was exploiting homosexual stareotypes that made them uncomfortable and when complaints were made their higher ups and Co workers said their issues were, "Making things difficult for the work environment and they need to go." Never mind that Dingdong and Julian discussed this with Matt and Ryan from Supermega, who cooperated that these talks did happen. Matt even admitted that he was going to protest with Dingdong, but backed out due to fear for his career. Nevermind Matt giving a public apology for "abandoning" Dingdong and tried buying gift subs to give to Dingdong saying sorry. Yeah. Nothing happened.

[@dunewyrm3071]

@@fewglow5076 *corroborated

[@fewglow5076]

@@dunewyrm3071 is that it?

[@Haddonfield.31]

This entire situation seems utterly stupid, especially getting angry at others for talking about something you publicly discussed live on air to your viewers, of course people are gonna talk about it, especially other content creators who are aware of Game Grumps, I don't get the point of going and "venting" live on air like this then being surprised and also angry that others are obviously talking about what you said about and accused others of, which makes it hard to care about what's being said, especially when you talked about having no support, yet Bowblax makes a video essentially spreading awareness of what you said, which the video is just showing what Ding Dong and Julian said on stream, and you get seethingly angry over said support and awareness being spread, all while vaguetweeting passive aggressively about people supporting you, works better than outing abusive employers who are still working today I guess.

[@hylianespeon3062]

Who is to say GG isn't better as employers than they were back then? I am not at all attacking or defending, I simply haven't seen anyone speak on this point specifically.

[@Haddonfield.31]

@@hylianespeon3062 Doesn't really excuse any past behavior.of GG that involves things like using Ding Dongs suicide attempt as essentially a joke to his face, or doxxing him on 4Chan which he says to have apparent evidence of, although him just still keeping it all down and hidden despite having obvious issues with them years later and pretty much letting out too much on a stream like how he has evidence of them being this way is kinda fucked up, even with me believing Ding Dong, his reaction to others simply reporting what he himself let out to thousands on stream is just idiotic and makes no sense.

[@user-ol5ds8cd4t]

he shouldn't have streamed it then if he didn't want the situation to come up again

[@Zexx4]

Exactly, the first time this had been brought up in 5 years was by Ding Dong himself, if he didnt want random internet users involved you cant "vent" to the internet, I learned the hard way because I did it myself, how can people not talk publicly about something when you yourself made it public??

[@user-bh4ts1so1v]

@@Zexx4 ding dong and Julian have continued to talk about the dream daddy situation. Julian would talk about it occasionally in his streams in the last couple of years. Only reason it has started to come up again is because ding dong casually brought it up and people where asking more questions then decide to record and upload a small part of the stream to r/rantgrumps and youtube. Ding dong uploaded a detailed explanation on his twitch

[@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419]

Man why must every content creator i enjoy be Insolved in some Drama really gets tirering

[@z0rpologaga127]

At this point we need some form of KZbin court. People need to lose their parasocial relationships and acknowledge that content creators do have boundaries which is fine. That creating a spectacle out of their issues is also not the way to go even if you do side with them.

[@paz1514]

A mans gotta eat, plenty of other channels did the exact thing Bowblax did. DingDong just chose that one cause it has the most views. Nothing more.

[@Spanishdog17]

He can eat another way. KZbin isn’t a garbage can where you can just dumb shitty clickbait Twitter read alongs.

[@Taren451]

I hate the internet. I saw jontron posted a vid today so i went to see what the racist stuff people were saying he said was so I could decide wether or not I should watch him. Then i found a vid showing the stuff he said but comments mentioning he was flustered and said things he doesnt align with and other people claiming hes a good guy so I tried to find out more. first thing that popped up was a video that was about it but it was apparently just insulting him for 7 minutes so I kept scrolling. felt like i wasn't going to get a straight simple answer so i was about to give up but I saw a vid about the game grumps. thought it might have something to do with why he left so i clicked and it was a video just shitting on them from someone else who has been cancelled. I looked at the comments again and found out about this controversy. So I was like oh shit are the game grumps bad too so I tried to look up stuff about it mostly being reddit threads giving vague statements saying arin is an egotistical asshole and ding dong getting outed as gay to his homophobic family by game grump fans. Couldn't tell if arin had anything to do with it or if it was just fans and i dont understand why people would still be working with him if it was true so i kept going saw something about money that apparently wasnt true and there being a lot of connections to matt and ryan and less so Arin which confused me more. Saw a lot of people saying they dont watch supermega because of it and they think matt is horrible but apparently ding dong is completely fine with matt and just wants to go his seperate ways. so i decide hey this reddit post is just confusing me and now there is a connection to supermega as well so ill see if i can find a video that summarizes the issue so I saw blowbaxes video when I searched it up apparently there was shitty things happening and matt was claiming things were okay through a donation but thats just trying to save face and hes defending his connection to game grumps over ding dong. but when i thought that was the end oh no it wasn't apparently ding dong was upset about blowbaxes video. so im like god damn it is the stuff im seeing fake or is there more i need to know so i look into it and now im here and i find out it was just him wanting it to not make the issue public which makes sense and also makes this vid kind of hypocritical but I dont know if this vid is monetized or not but whatever and apparently there is critical information ding dong has that he isnt sharing which i can understand why but it seems to be making things needlessly confusing and now I dont know what the fuck to do

[@sylkiri]

Ingredients 1 (14.1 ounce) package pastry for a 9-inch double-crust pie ¾ cup white sugar, or more to taste 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon 6 cups thinly sliced apples 1 tablespoon butter Directions 1) Preheat the oven to 450 degrees F (230 degrees C). 2) Line a 9-inch pie dish with one pastry crust; set second one aside. 3) Combine 3/4 cup sugar and cinnamon in a small bowl. Add more sugar if your apples are tart. 4) Layer apple slices in the prepared pie dish, sprinkling each layer with cinnamon-sugar mixture. Dot top layer with small pieces of butter. Cover with top crust. 5) Bake pie on the lowest rack of the preheated oven for 10 minutes. Reduce oven temperature to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) and continue baking until golden brown and filling bubbles, 30 to 35 minutes more. Serve warm or cold.

[@spimpsmacker6422]

INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE Introduction 1.) The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling , have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering(in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries. 2.)The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy. 3.) If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later . 4.) We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system . This revolution may or may not make use of violence; it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades. We can’t predict any of that. But we do outline in a very general way the measures that those who hate the industrial system should take in order to prepare the way for a revolution against that form of society. This is not to be a POLITICAL revolution. Its object will be to overthrow not governments but the economic and technological basis of the present society. 5.) In this article we give attention to only some of the negative developments that have grown out of the industrial-technological system. Other such developments we mention only briefly or ignore altogether. This does not mean that we regard these other developments as unimportant. For practical reasons we have to confine our discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which we have something to say. For example, since there are well-developed environmental and wilderness movements, we have written very little about environmental degradation or the destruction of wild nature, even though we consider these to be highly important.

[@adrianaslund8605]

The Bowblax video I saw was really classy though. There's a later edit?

[@friendhaus1858]

i absolutely hate bowblax and have for a long time

[@ice_cube8302]

DingDong is a coward.

[@octavia8836]

You're in no position to choose for him, it's his decision

[@ice_cube8302]

@@octavia8836 I'm in the best position to decide. He is a coward!

[@ellocojoncrazy3270]

@@ice_cube8302 low effort bait

[@Bessux]

Based.

[@spimpsmacker6422]

Man if you're gonna post bait on something like this, at least fucking try.

[@Cure_Diarrhea]

Aww man I missed the ding dong drama

[@Spanishdog17]

Internet drama is a waste of time.

[@Cure_Diarrhea]

@@Spanishdog17 it's good background noise.

[@The_real_Gorgo]

So many layers of irony