Ding Dong Reveals Terrible Experience Working at Game Grumps

[@Abomdosnow]

"Nothing I say matters. Nothing I do matters." God. I'm so glad Julian was there.

[@JuggernautVault]

That shows that an Orwellian 1984 situation does not only happen to whole countries, it can happen in small groups too. Those exact words: "Nothing I say matters. Nothing I do matters," individuals in families can, or have felt like that since childhood.

[@TheBfutgreg]

Are they partners? Or just friends

[@alphaotakux]

​@@TheBfutgregthey are homosexual together 🤢

[@DenpaKei]

@@TheBfutgreg they are partners

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

​@@TheBfutgreg Even better, they are fartners

[@scoaktree9575]

“They were placing bets for when I was gonna attempt it again” is horrid like Jesus Christ I hope he’s recovered from these terrible people in the grumps office

[@jorgegutierrez8588]

Him and Julian seem to be doing alot better since spending less time on the internet

[@Lucyferbby]

When was this in the video? Time stamp?

[@skeeter5076]

@@Lucyferbby3:38

[@zsep8688]

Literally 0 proof though

[@gustawbobowski1333]

"People in the grumps office', like who? Fuсking Egoraptor and his plate-faced bitсh of a wife?

[@freakindirt12341]

"I'm trying not to cry" What a fella. I fucking love dd and Julian. DD is such a loving dude, so desperate for that validation to his own detriment. Julian is the real OG, the ultimate partner.

[@beefykeith48]

exactly. my heart fucking breaks for both of them. i know it sounds stupid and cheesy, but they're just like, such *pure* souls. such wonderful people full of light, and it revolts me how these pathetic monsters keep trying to put those lights out. DD and Julian are both stronger than they know and kinder than they know.

[@Trailerpark_Pyro]

They're together? Or partner like batman and Robin?

[@littlevillainenthusiast]

​@@Trailerpark_Pyrothey're dating, have been for some years now

[@guilhermemg7515]

How long have they been dating?

[@lnfreeman]

​@@guilhermemg7515nunya

[@trollercoasterQK]

the bystander effect is so real and soul-crushing. It's not just the entertainment industry affected by it; recently after months of planning and talking about it with my coworkers, I tried to start a union for better working conditions at our job. EVERYONE was on board, day over day they all said "what a great idea" "I support you" "I'll sign whatever you need me to" but as soon as I had a real plan of action, they all cowered. Every single one of them hid from the responsibility because it "put their jobs at risk" and I "had no right to mess with their livelihoods". I was crushed.

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

Sad to hear that man. Everyone talks a big game until the moment comes for actual action then they get cold feet and will trip over themselves to get out of the way of the consequences.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

That’s what I’ve found. People are never about what they even talk about. Nobody has any moral baseline, nobody had values. Is it bad that I look down on most people for this reason?

[@trollercoasterQK]

@@lindboknifeandtool Well ya shouldn't look down on em necessarily, because if you're gonna do the right thing, there will always be people like that. You have to keep doing it anyways because that's what having strength means.

[@VSpoodle]

I understand your feeling on a smaller scale and even in my less severe situation, there is nothing more crushing than being left as the only one standing after everyone acted like they would be with you

[@ParkerRoberson-jf8ew]

Bro this happened to me!!! My department is split into 4 crews, 2 day shift and 2 night shift crews (A,B,C and D) We got everything ready to go, 93% of our staff signed the initial petition cards, when the official labor board vote came around it ended up being a 8 yes 7 no vote. Still a win and we succeeded but pretty much everyone on night crews lied to our faces about being supportive. Now I can't trust them.

[@lukausedsteal1026]

I hope Julian and Ding Dong are happier together now. Nobody deserves to be dragged through this kind of shit.

[@lingricen8077]

the people who did this to him deserve worse

[@zsep8688]

Glad they didnt get dragged since no proof

[@boglurker2043]

julian was streaming a few days ago with DD and they both seemed happy. they're still working on their game "tough bippy"

[@DBRX5]

​@@zsep8688Game Grumps defense force is here everyone, trying to discredit these facts once again

[@calebhope2390]

facts generally have proof attached right? so... where is it?@@DBRX5

[@squiddopop]

It's good to see this VOD is still up. People should really know what happened. Sincerely hope DD&J are doing okay now.

[@verynaisu]

This VOD is still missing some pieces, but yeah

[@squiddopop]

@@verynaisu well I am at least glad that this part specifically is still up

[@borger9300]

@@verynaisu do u know what parts specifically missing?

[@verynaisu]

@borger9300 he mentioned that in thst sphere of yourubers, someone was housing people who have harmed children and I think before this part of the vod or after, he mentions there was a stalker on 4chan and deviantart who would want attention from people by claiming they had dirt on dingdong and julian because he knew them (he only know julian and they only had 3 conversations). That stalker also appeared in the stream and then ran away when they knew and begged julian on facebook to not out them. DingDong also opened up about what happened ot him when he was younger snd his situation with his mom and how rough it was that his whole family cut him off after being outted. The rant you see here is because matt showed up, donated 150 subs to buy DD's silence and make him happy since DD was already beginning to rant about Dream Daddy.

[@borger9300]

@@verynaisu holy shit its like the rabbit hole gets deeper thx for informing me

[@JoMcD21]

Imagine slapping someone in the face and then saying, *"THAT WAS THREE SECONDS AGO. GET OVER IT."*

[@zaccwiggins]

It genuinely pisses me off how people make such a big deal over very minor things. A gay person came out and said that they disapproved of a game that they thought was fetishizing his community. Fair enough, he has every right to have that opinion. But the fact that everyone had to make a big fuss over an opinion, to the point where someone was driven to the attempting of suicide, is infuriating. I genuinely hope Ding Dong is doing alright now and has been able to at least mend his relationship with his family and deal with his mental health.

[@Bungusmcbean]

He couldve said nothing constructive and said how the game is stinky and poopy and dumb and everyone associated with its creation are big diaper wearing babies and even then nothing that happened to him could ever be justified. Its insane that people still try to mock this situation and write it off as "Okay, so you shit on your boss and companies work and you expect sympathy when that comes back to bite you proffessionally?" As if the mistreatment of DD and Julian didnt stretch before the situation and long after, or if any of what they suffered was in any way proportional than criticizing a game.

[@Citrusautomaton]

Reminder that DingDong didn't come out willingly. Some dick head doxxed him and told his whole family he was gay. All before he was even ready.

[@catboyrepublican2520]

It wasn't just Ding Dong's opinion. Ding Dong was voicing criticisms that people on the development team were having and were told to him in private, too. Then once he started getting alienated and getting backlash for voicing those opinions, the developers denied everything.

[@LikeTotallyDonut]

Amen brother

[@vicentegeonix]

Kinda sad that something so silly can make people want to kill themselves.

[@Rhubarb120]

9:00 Super Mega actually used this technique before. When Tucker was embezzling money, they made so many jokes about it beforehand, that when he was fired and it was revealed that he indeed was embezzling money, everyone I knew thought it was a joke until almost half a year later.

[@wafflesjunior]

That's absolutely right. My friends and I could not for the life of us discern if anything was real until we saw the actual PDF of the lawsuit.

[@_lil_lil]

*Jackson Tucker, not Tucker Prescott. For the record.

[@WolfBlade606]

i mean maybe im just gullible but i still believe they were just joking about it and it ended up being true. Stranger coincidences have happened.

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

​@@WolfBlade606 Everyone knows that Matt and Ryan can predict the future, except for them of course. It's like having a superpower where you breathe fire whenever you burp, but each time just thinking it's a coincidence. Sounds like it'd be a fun idea for a sitcom.

[@FloofMother]

@@Vaguer_Weevilthey couldn’t predict the sexual assault accusations it seems

[@AceAlbatros]

Nobody wins in a suicide attempt, I’m disgusted how the community and even his coworkers treated it.

[@TravisBroski]

“But wouldn’t it be funny if-“ Like dude he JUST WENT THROUGH IT HOURS AGO

[@tonybippitykaye]

I’m especially disgusted how people were fucking taking bets to see when it would happen again. There’s nothing worse than going through something like that and no one taking it seriously…

[@alvarez332]

Of course someone wins, the pieces of shit who is ready to milk the situation in their favor which I would've never guessed was so many people

[@zsep8688]

No proof

[@gustawbobowski1333]

@@zsep8688 Suzie, use your main account, thx

[@bubgerkirg]

If anyone’s coming to this without having seen the original stream, keep in mind that Matt came in while DD was talking about what matt did, dropped 150 gift subs ($750 USD) and said “love you guys!”, and everyone in chat started thanking him profusely and talking about loving his channel and music. Keep that context in mind if you’re listening for the first time.

[@bubgerkirg]

33:02

[@bubgerkirg]

46:40

[@bubgerkirg]

51:23 these time stamps are just for myself but it’s important for me to acknowledge that Matt’s response to fans confronting him about this stream was essentially “no we’re actually still friends :) we talked about it and it’s all good :)”

[@HauntedFishes]

In hindsight that’s just awful, probably trying to preserve to look of his “magnum opus”

[@MatthiasDundee]

Who else feeling bad for Ryan rn you know he’s punching the air

[@lnfreeman]

This is why Whistleblower is a legally protected status in regulated industries.

[@userr1225]

Boeing

[@YourWickedFuneral]

@@userr1225Boeing is stronger than any government.

[@rxblackpill]

Dude this shit is actually fucked up. These guys are so talented and this industry sucked the life out of them. And people aren't going to give enough of a shit, I've already seen posts saying DD is being too bitter. These people literally ruined his life and he is still, five years later being kind about it.

[@DarkCrusader27]

And this is why we say that those in the industry are not human.

[@PorkiFerret]

He’s being a lot kinder than he should when talking about this when you consider what he and Julian went through. And even though I personally don’t think Ding Dong is coming off as bitter, I feel like it’s not wrong to be. I mean hell, his life was put under the microscope by thousands of people; People were trying to find out his real name, his address, info on his family and just so much more shit. And for what, airing out some criticisms over a video game of all things??? And mind you, from his story, he wasn’t even the only one who felt this way, BUT was the only one who was vocal about it so it was easy for all the others to put the pin on him and pretend like they had no idea what he was going on about. People outed his sexuality to his family because of this. People made sure that he and Julian were blacklisted over this. They made sure that his life was so hellish to the point that he made an attempt on his life and then someone had the nerve to tell him he SHOULD just so he can supposedly get “revenge”??? You know, it was hard to witness all of this unfolding but it hits even harder knowing that he genuinely felt like these people were his friends. It’s so disgusting. He has a lot more strength than I would in a situation as awful as that because I would have been more than just “bitter”. He got played like a fiddle and was crucified over having an opinion. I just hope that him and Julian can continue healing and maybe feel a little less burden by letting some of this mess be out in the open. They deserved so much better.

[@rxblackpill]

@@PorkiFerret Hopefully WanWan blows tf up man, I'm for sure gonna at least buy their game whenever it comes out. It's crazy how people with a tinge of power will screw anyone over, over the slightest thing.

[@PorkiFerret]

@@rxblackpill I’m wanting to support their games too! I’ve always had an adoration for the work they were putting into their game projects but I’m not really in a situation to support through Patreon, even if I want to :’) I’ll definitely be buying them when they’re released, though. They deserve that and so much more

[@derekeliopoulos2670]

@@PorkiFerret He always has a tendency to downplay things, so if he says something was bad... it must've been pretty bad... :( Broke my heart to hear they went through this, but I'm glad they have eachother to lean on and are so good to eachother. I'll def support them when I have more reliable means too

[@laughingpanda95]

julians little "im not as nice as ding dong " made me smile . this was horrible to hear. this fills the gaps on what ive heard else where and its horrible to hear about the industry

[@ActuallyNickV]

I think something a lot of people are missing is how Ding Dong was talking about how people were telling him to put Arin and Suzy in his suicide note. Like that shit is straight out of rant grumps, it's insane to go that far for someone you hate.

[@Samwise_Ass]

What are they missing about this? Sorry, does any of this really have to do with Arin?

[@thecheesiestbiscuit]

Rant grumps is pretty much the only forum even sharing this current information. People give the sub shit but the people there document controversy very well.

[@SiliassOmega]

@@Samwise_Ass LOL Arin's the CEO of Game Grumps, there is no way he was not aware of these things happening, I would also wager he was pulling some strings over it, too, to protect his image like literally everyone else was doing in this situation. He is absolutely responsible for this and any sort of toxic work environment that is occurring under his place of business. Him not being aware of these things is no excuse and would only make a point that he really doesn't care enough about the people that help make his company produce and put out content.

[@bleppyboo]

@@SiliassOmega Arin isn't the CEO but the president. I think there's someone else whose the CEO unless new info of him being CEO had come out.

[@spiderdude2099]

@@bleppyboo way to miss the point dude. Arin knew about this, there’s ZERO possibility he didn’t, and he either did nothing, or was a MAIN player in making it worse.

[@mrzoozilla971]

Everything aside, hearing DD having this pretty serious conversation with the game music playing gives me the same feelings as hearing your parents screaming in the other room while ur watching tv, but now in a more gamerly fashion

[@antoineharmon2254]

So real lol Julian in the back "... oh I hit a tree..." was unintentionally funny

[@mythosinfinite6736]

SNK-ass arcade jams playing over a genuinely upsetting trauma dump "This sort of public shaming is just not appropriate, especially when I was never consulted" "PLAYER 2 SHOT! HOLE IN ONE! FANTASTIC!" "But really I'm just so used to this sort of treatment" "HOLE 13! LET'S GOLFING!"

[@noahboat580]

Reminds me of a time where I was living at a punk house and most of my roommates were in the room because 2 of them were really mad at each other, and how one of them didn't really leave the house because of it- (blah blah blah) meanwhile I'm playing Bully where I have to fight Russell again. Quite juxtaposition, and I freaking love neo turf masters I beat the Australian course

[@tonys6620]

ON THE GREEN 🔈🔈🗣️😃‼️‼️

[@LisBnp]

THANK YOU THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS FEELING THE WHOLE TIME

[@joekinnear4671]

Considering Oneystays, where DD and Julian came back for a few weeks and how much more sensible and more relaxed they sounded compared to 2017, i really think they got some time to heal.

[@xliquidpliskinx4327]

Do you think they still talk to chris or are on good terms?

[@joekinnear4671]

@@xliquidpliskinx4327 my copium tank needs a refill desperately. I wish.

[@Swissgar0]

​@joekinnear4671 Considering Chris and his gang of lil' misfits are not on good terms with GG it stands to reason he supported Ding Dong and Julian during this stuff.

[@FrogWalrus]

@@xliquidpliskinx4327 Chris and Zach seem pretty leveled headed, I doubt there’s any bad blood, even if they don’t keep in touch much.

[@hpfan1330]

I mean considering what DD said about no one was the good guy, Chris may have had a chance to stand up (although I don't know how involved Chris was with GG back then). I do hope Oneyplays was a place of solace for them. Considering Oneystays and the fact that a lot of DD and Julian's last few days in L.A. were spent on Oneyplays I think it was. When I stopped caring about Game Grumps in highschool Oneyplays helped me get through a lot of it so I really hope DD and Julian are still doing alright.

[@caesthoffe]

outing someone to their family before they're ready is actually evil, like genuinely.

[@pigmafia]

It’s fucking sickening

[@ThisRedneck]

Literally

[@gingerdanny]

@@TheSquatCrafters Good for you, Cody.

[@gingerdanny]

@@SiergiejW Here's a tip: Read the room. Nobody asked (:

[@nappyk96]

For real, fortunately Ding Dongs mom was fine with it but pulling this shit on someone could literally get them put out on the streets or even killed it's so fucked up what the people at GG did to him and Julian.

[@asdf852asdf]

Can we appreciate how much of a rock Julian is for him? thats a love you only find once in a lifetime and im honestly so jelous of them in that regard, when i think about soulmates i think of that hour of fake ads they did for the halloween stream , to me thats true love, to make silly voices together and laugh Dingdong said that putting this om the public will be annoying for him and the rest but i hope he finds some sort of release finally getting it out of his chest, he deserves so much more

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

Once in a lifetime? Most people don't even get the once, and even then such solid people are becoming ever-so much rarer to find. I'd hate to think what could have happened if Julian wasn't there, dude has probably saved Double D's life more times than he realizes, which is a real scary thought.. What a world we live in, the future has never looked so dim.

[@leonelmartinez2486]

Were they a couple?

[@michaelbullen3104]

@@leonelmartinez2486they still are they have been for over a decade

[@caninehelicopter5200]

@@leonelmartinez2486they are actively together, yes

[@stellastellub]

the fake fight thing reminds me of when jackson embezzled thousands of dollars from supermega and no one could tell if it was real or not

[@RabbitRinsBadAtGaming]

I still don't know if it's real

[@deadbeef6332]

@@RabbitRinsBadAtGaming there’s court docs abt it

[@Rhubarb120]

I only just found out it was real a couple of days ago. I just assumed it was a joke because they literally made jokes about Jackson embezzling money several times while he was still working for them.

[@crummycrow]

Wtf 🧍‍♂️

[@kingstarscream3807]

Heh heh that's what Matt gets for throwing Ding Dong under the bus.

[@MitridatedCarbon]

The worst part is that people stopped caring for that horrible game within a month. It is so cool to destroy people's lives over stillborn projects. Also, Dd's explanation of "bring back bullying" is so spot on.

[@MitridatedCarbon]

@stellarstar6553 i've come to the realization that it is just twitter or any super sanitized modern social network. it reinforces bullying and bullying related behavior by design. i understood this after seeing a video of a guy taking revenge of a bully and people defending the bully with their "2010 morality speech". like i finally saw what was wrong with it. it turned a lightbulb in my head. everyone terminally on twitter was a bully in school, can't bully anyone anymore, and has twitter as their only venting system, or was bullied and now wants to become a bully. that's why political extremism finds fertile ground on twitter cause political extremism wants to put the boot over their adversary out of some inferiority complex or perceived wrong the adversary has done, ergo be a bully to random people cause you are insecure. like it is that particular brand of manipulative "holier than you" high-school bullying. I'm not talking about "this guy offended me, now I'm sad" bullying. I'm talking about the " this guy offended me, i offend them back better, they call the teachers on me and start crying." type of bullying.

[@missoli]

And even after this, game grumps will still pretend like it never happened and continue as normal for the sake of their careers. Absolutely disgusting.

[@immortallix]

The biggest virtue signalers are often the biggest offenders

[@Akispark]

An inevitable con-panel drama is upon us. I salute the brave soul who will be handed a microphone and ask them "So uuuuhhhh, about Dingdong-"

[@coca-clown]

@@Akispark god please no, the last thing i'd want to see is GG come out with a half-assed apology or something. i seriously think it's better to move on and learn from it rather than take it to them. people knowing this is enough to damage them anyhow

[@Knoxerboy101]

I mean, DingDong states he doesn't really want anything to come out of it besides being left the fuck alone. He doesn't want some type of repentance or apology to come out of it because it wouldn't change anything or be sincere. This is the unfortunate world of being a high profile youtuber/streamer with a company and brand to manage nowadays. We've seen it happen to a lot of people across the youtube and twitch space. People being done dirty behind the scenes where it's then swept under the rug to keep the fame and money train going for those at the top and the center focus of the cameras.

[@MikaMikaWhatever]

@@coca-clown I see where you're coming from, but it's important people know how many scumbags the people at the Grumps office were and still are, because most fans don't know anything about the Dream Daddy situation. The scumbaggery didn't end when DD and Julian left LA, those people still work there. And as much as Ding Dong wants to move on from it, Julian can't and it was made clear should Ding Dong pass, Julian has full reign to air out everything. Arin and the people involved there should be held accountable and they will inevitably face it in the future.

[@Nix-Man]

The work culture behind the scenes aside, just to think that all this hitting the fan all started because one person shared a critical opinion on a visual novel that supposed "friends" asked him to check out. God bless Julian for saving Ding-Dong's life that day.

[@marcy3496]

I just want them to not be blacklisted. I just want them to be successful. Hopefully people actually listen to this. It's insane. I hope he's just heard, but I hate that it would only be for drama.

[@SiliassOmega]

That's one of the worst parts about this honestly, like all DD did was be honest and it got him blacklisted. This poor man had a potential career pulled out from under him because he wanted to be genuine, its so fucked.

[@lowhp_comic]

Seems to be the dark truth in every entertainment industry. Look at the Austin Jones situation, an actual child predator who kept evading the law because of record deals getting involved and hiding it from them just because he can make them money. Business is a gross thing in humanity

[@juneru2]

I hate online drama stuff because it always climbs up on top and lingers for so long. I haven't watched DD&J since their brief return to OneyPlays, and today I was just curious on what they were up to recently. Little did I know all this needless drama was being spread, and now I just feel bad for them.

[@Hmph__]

I feel like being “blacklisted” in the entertainment industry doesn’t mean you’ve done anything inherently wrong, it just means you started to speak out against the (toxic) norm in the industry. Look at the 50s and 60s with the red scare, so many writers and actors were were blacklisted not because of their inability to do their job, but because they were suspected to be communists (i.e. going and being against the norm)

[@Hmph__]

I know I’m somewhat comparing apples to oranges, but the term “blacklisted” seems like the Hollywood/entertainment version of being “cancelled”

[@spiderdude2099]

As a gay man myself, I’ve listened to Ding Dong’s criticism of Dream Daddy, and I even played the game myself and…it’s all SO accurate, and SO deserved. The game sucks ass except for art design and the entertaining voice acting. It’s FILLED with gay stereotypes that just SCREAM “this story was written by a straight team that THINKS they know how all this gay stuff works cuz they binged 2 seasons of Queer eye”. The ONLY good part was the relationship with the character’s daughter, cuz gay single parent struggles are important to highlight, and it was actually written pretty ok. Ding dong’s comments were also SO simple and non-controversial. He RIGHTFULLY commented on how it felt out of touch and surface level. Which it IS. The backlash he got was INSANE. Also like…..don’t you think the ONLY TWO GAY EMPLOYEES should have their input be valued whether it’s positive or negative? Wtf is with this entitled crybaby response. Absolutely SICKENING. Game grumps should be ASHAMED of how they reacted and how they shoved all this stuff under the rug and refused to take responsibility. THEY caused a large amount of this, and they have NEVER admitted fault. That’s despicable.

[@2098543]

Didn't they have another employee who was gay? Her name was Leighton. Idk if she's still working with them, but I remember that there was a video of her saying that she created Dream Daddy.

[@spiderdude2099]

@@2098543 that’s still an issue where no gay MEN had any input.

[@El_Andru]

I've known several gay men and what you see in the media, and I was always confused on why do they act so flamboyant and diva like. You just like dick bro, why the whole personality shift? Until I listened to DD. He is so chill, so funny and cool. Then I kinda understood he was gay and was like "OH dope, never crossed my mind". Julian very so slightly pulls a bit more stereotypes, but DD is super chill about it because there is nothing outside of it. You just have a preference for men, thats it, no need to scream about it.

[@bemiatto67]

@@2098543 lesbians are not gay men and vice versa

[@Rhubarb120]

The music is pretty good, too.

[@williamwright9028]

""If the behavior doesn't change I don't care how long ago it was." wish I heard this a few months sooner

[@BQuanchi]

Always been a fan of DingDong and Julian and mad respect for him talking about it. Wish I could give him a hug. To be honest, one of the few "internet people" I genuinely worry about and hope they're well

[@timmytacoburrito]

He's super relatable. I genuinely wish both him and Julian the absolute fucking best in their future

[@64doomguy57]

We all want to hug Ding Dong and Julian, they have been thru alot

[@crazy_apepperoni5222]

He's a very chill and nice guy

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

It's strange isn't it, caring so much about people who don't even know we exist. I see all these internet celebs and influencers and I barely see them as real people. It's nice to see some who are humble, genuine and.. human. How is the alien more human than the rest? HOW??

[@tallhippie666]

all of this over a game that everyone forgot about after a year

[@TheRealSkreegle]

Fr it was just youtuber bait

[@Marigoldpyre]

Honestly: If someone tells you, with full sincerity, that they made a genuine attempt to off themself; and you respond to that with a joke at their expense... I don't know dude, I genuinely think that it's entirely fair to call you irredeemable. I have absolutely no idea how you would justify that to yourself. This whole situation is genuinely sickening.

[@christopherkelley1664]

Comment removed because I apparently didn't comprehend "full sincerity" because I am dumb.

[@Matt-qk8yf]

The complete destruction of two peoples lives and careers over a shitty dating sim that flopped. I feel so bad for ding dong and Julian

[@Gypsyblood777]

Ya pretty fucked up

[@Bobo-ox7fj]

damn imagine being so feeble that your life is over because you had a crap job

[@alpha_visi0n]

I quit watching Game Grumps years ago but now I’m adding SuperMega to the shitlist. This is just really horrible all around. Wish I could hug Ding Dong

[@wienerschnitzel186]

I know it broke my heart

[@renbelmont]

well in case you missed it they're also rape apologists

[@Some_Beach]

Supermega got brainwashed by LA

[@Lucyferbby]

@@renbelmontwhere is this info from? Cause that’s a serious statement like holy shit

[@johncantu2555]

@@renbelmontwasn’t the claim that someone working for them raped another person working for them and they covered it up rather than committing the act themselves?

[@arturoperezify]

DD and Julian were pretty much the canary in the coal mine for the GG employees. They just wanted to see what would happen if any of them spoke up...also kind of explains why Game Grumps has severely been dropping in quality over the years. DD and Julian didn't deserve any of this horrible treatment.

[@n2oshotandironman]

Wouldn't Jon have been the canary in the coal mine? That situation was definitely the first instance of the "Don't talk about it." approach Arin seems to favor. Even the fake fighting thing. In fact, a lot of those episodes have very strange moments where they fight in a way that almost exactly lines up with what happens later lol DD definitely got the worst of it, though. This is the kind of thing no one can expect is going to happen until it does. Truly harrowing.

[@MoaciC]

@@n2oshotandironman The Jon situation as been pretty cleared up though, maybe at first it was the canary but it's pretty clear Jon split because he didn't like how corporate Game Grumps was becoming.

[@jays.6843]

@@MoaciC And then Jon became a far right weirdo

[@MoaciC]

@jays.6843 very much, amd people do this day defend him.

[@jackknife01]

​@@MoaciCnobody sane defends his takes from his destiny interview but plenty of people are willing to accept that maybe he got radicalized by misinformation on the Internet and has since de-radicalized.

[@Klordz]

The comment about having fake fights to cover up real fights is so true for Supermega dude!

[@hermeschase4113]

"I wish we could've been friends, i would've liked to have been friends with Matt" Man, i don't know why this part hit me so hard, it sounds like DD and Matt SHOULD'VE been friends, or at least DD sees it that way, like, what happened didn't had to happen, it didn't NEED to happen, it could've been avoided, or at the very least the damages could've been greately mended by now if Matt had actually tried to make things right with DD, but things DID happen anyways and were left like that for a long time and we're left with this mess of a situation, and even then DD still tried being nice with Matt, he still had hope of things turning out ok during the last LA trip and everything. "I would've liked to have been friends with Matt" damn dude, that's rough

[@TBnJgg]

it hits hard because it's relatable, especially if you're the type that tries to be on friendly terms with coworkers and try to have a positive attitude towards things.

[@stevenreyes7779]

I still can’t believe all this horseshit happened over one comment about a mediocre dating sim

[@bozuteru2160]

Calling it mediocre is giving it too much credit

[@Username65656565]

First time on the Internet? ;D

[@VoidHugger]

"They gave me a special animation for hitting a tree" "Oh really???"

[@Warlordcupcake]

Shoutout to the guy who posted this. I get DD and Julian kinda disavowed this stream but its really fucking valuable. You can tell this guy is a game grumps truther, and honestly, i don't think enough people know about the grumps bullshit

[@teddysprojects2904]

I just wish I could see the whole stream. Not the cherry picked portions so that I can hear everything Ding Dong said, because (while I understand it won’t bring anyone justice) I don’t like making opinions off of half-information.

[@camocat6477]

​@@teddysprojects2904Sadly when the og stream was posted DD pmed the poster to take it down, I guess to not have it be too big of a thing - which is fair but i still wish the stream was unlisted or something so people could watch/see the whole picture.

[@gaiatiful]

parasocial hatred for game grumps based on shi that everyone involved want to keep in the past? welcome back rant grumps

[@Skullkan6]

Reminder: If you are watching this video looking for ammunition: You are part of the problem, and DD&J want you to seriously go away. This was years ago and shit is still happening to them because people think something happened that didn't. This was a vent session. Leave them alone.

[@kraunkkremlin5986]

Either way it's still inexcusable on the abusers end I hope DD and Julian are much better now

[@Tadders]

Nope, it's the current year and we need to bully and harass people for their opinions and doing bad stuff.

[@unclubbableplus]

@@Tadders GG literally bullied Ding Dong and Julian because of an opinion they had. You're just fighting fire with fire here by calling for the same.

[@charlie1234500]

Reminder: Nobody gives a shit. People will react how they react.

[@timmytacoburrito]

Wanted to find this so i could better understand the situation and truly hear from DD from himself. I've only read about it and it's so fucked up. I feel beyond terrible for DD&J

[@laurencesmart6408]

It genuinely hurts me to know that they were locked into horrible working conditions while I was sitting back and laughing at their content with Oneyplays. I was bummed out when they left the channel, but at the time the only information I could find for leaving was that they were going to be creating a game together (no idea if that was true or not). Instead there was this whole horrific sequence of events going on. I'm just glad they're still with us. I hope that knowing there are caring strangers in the world, who enjoy their content and wish them love and happiness, helps them in some way.

[@games-wz7sz]

On the bright side they are still friends with oney plays. They have done the Yiik videos and occasionally come back on. Game Grumps is the problem

[@MatttGFX]

love how Ding Dong specifically mentioned how people would want to weaponize his story against specific members of the Game Grumps office and how little he thinks of people who act like that, and then every 5th comment here is someone going "oh man, Ding Dong has incriminating information about Arin..." as if that's their sole takeaway from this. Throughout this entire debacle from 2017 until now, he only mentioned Arin by name twice, once in the original stream where he mentioned how the Grumps (Arin and Dan) have nothing to do with his negative feelings about the game and now again when mentioning how people would try and use DD and his experience to try and incriminate him. I don't have a high opinion of the guy either because of various other shit he's been wrapped up in, but it's actually embarrassing that people latch onto Arin being the sole bad guy behind every possible situation to the point of their only takeaway from this emotional rant is "wowie imagine what this could do to Arin's reputation!" when there's so much more going on. Edit: To clarify further; I'm not saying that Arin is without blame here. He's a higher up within the company and without a doubt a contributing factor to the office attaining the environment that it has, past and present. What I'm saying is, your only takeaway from this whole situation shouldn't be "incriminating information about Arin! finally!" when there's an entire staff worth of people that should be held accountable. The Grumps office had more people than just Arin in management positions over the years, especially around 2017.

[@thebleachbartender1312]

I feel so bad for Ding Dong and Julian of having to reopen old wounds like this. Especially since its getting more traction with bigger drama channels using Ding Dong explicitly for what he didn't want to happen. To be used as a tool for people that don't care about him at all. No one wins in the situation either, Ding Dong will just be bothered about things he wants to move on from and Game Grumps will just do what it always does and ignore it. Hell, Matt was to only named person and that was for an entire separate personal issue.

[@DireWolfDevil]

Gotta love the internet.

[@MatttGFX]

@@thebleachbartender1312 I mean, isn't what Matt has been doing (showing DD and Julian the Dream Daddy build as DD confirmed in this rant and now the awkwardly timed donation) what more or less kicked all these things off, or have I been misunderstanding things? Like, it sounded like Matt showed them the build and encouraged them to speak out about the issues only to later on pull out of the entire situation when DD&J started to get backlash for speaking up

[@isdel9474]

literally.

[@grilledcheese9845]

Arin created the environment for all of this to happen, people aren't "latching on" for no reason you moron. When you foster a shitty work environment people get abused , simple as that.

[@jeremymartin7403]

It's still crazy to me that even while ranting about a absolutely terrible situation dingdong is intelligent, funny ,charming and honest

[@grimble4564]

I was finally starting to become comfortable with my sexuality right around the time that dream daddy was about to come out. I remember the hype around it and then playing it at my friend's place and my only impression even as a dumb teenager was that it was really shallow and made me uncomfortable in a way that I wasnt smart enough to articulate yet. I thought the art style was nice but we played for like 10 minutes total before shutting it off. What a weird game.

[@heyfella5217]

I'm in the same boat. Not a gay man, but a lesbian. I remember the discourse over the game on Tumblr. DingDong wasn't alone on feeling uncomfortable, there was actually a decent chunk of gays who felt similarly.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

How does one go about becoming comfortable with it? All I have left over is self hatred because of it. And I plan on marrying a woman so I’ve never gotten involved with men because girls are disgusted by that. Idk what to do lol. Watch me marry a man

[@grimble4564]

@@lindboknifeandtool The idea of women finding bi men disgusting is so weird to me cause my life experience has been exactly the opposite. Idk what type of circles you hang around but the girls in my life either make it a point to tell me that they feel safer and more open around queer people or they just don't care. If you define your self-worth by other people's perceptions of you and the main type of people you're seeking interest from are disgusted by the thought of a bi person, then no wonder that leads to self-hatred.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

@@grimble4564 yeah, I can’t help but feel icky about it. Not even my best friend knows. I think it just totally kills the masculine idea of the person to them? Even though I think fucking a man is like the most masculine thing possible 😂 Idk, you’re right I shouldn’t let damaged people let me inform my own self opinions. I hear about these girls who don’t care or maybe even appreciate it, but that’s yet to be my experience. Thanks for your time.

[@MananaMan]

“But when nobody’s gonna listen to you then what’s the point in saying anything?” Felt that in my soul

[@notveryniceatall]

I'm 14 and this is deep

[@leemo1439]

@@notveryniceatallim 9 and this is deep

[@Shlankyman545]

Funny how while working for a “progressive and inclusive” California-based company, DD being openly gay made a bunch of his associates uncomfortable. Wild how that shit happens.

[@heyfella5217]

In my expirience as a queer person its ALWAYS the super virtue signal-y people that were the most uncomfortable when faced with the minorities they claim they support so loudly.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Meanwhile the edgy let's play channel where the people make homophobic jokes ended up treating Julian and Ding Dong much better and is still friends with them and they also called out Arin on his bs (Chris is a real one)

[@Brave_New_Tube]

The tryhard “progressives” usually tend to be the shittiest, most regressive type of people behind closed doors, and are only “inclusive” towards people who believe/think the same way they do.

[@connor48880]

I wouldn’t even classify Chris as “edgy” he just doesn’t give a fuck and speaks his mind

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@connor48880 Fair enough but at least the man is honest and is loyal to his friends unlike Arin who threw them all under a bus over a harmless parody video

[@ishybeats]

"you're suppose to think of it as a part time thing so you can fool yourself into thinking this is reasonable" i felt that. been through the same thing and it sucks the life out of you. all the joy in your work disappears.

[@Mtv-get-off-thee-air]

Ding dong is so well spoken

[@batofdestiny]

I try to not be one of those parasocial people out there, but it’s really fucked up that Ding Dong and by extension Julian have to deal with this. I worry about those two.

[@jzombie357]

Yeah I get what you mean. DD and Julian are more than just KZbinrs we enjoy watching. They're people too. I'm not caring about them cuz they're cool people I enjoyed watching. I care cuz they're people who don't deserve this hell. They deserve so much better. They deserve to live life happily and move on from this. It's very unfortunate they can't. I hope they don't give in to the pain they go through. I hope for the best for them.

[@misscalicogirl]

simply worrying about someone doesn't mean its parasocial. the internet has completely dumbed down the meaning of that word. you are allowed to be worried for people even if you don't know them. it shows you have a heart.

[@1Hawkears1]

Parasocial relationships are unavoidable, it's not having that connection that's an issue, it's believing it's more than it is. Anyway, I say that to say it's incredibly fucking human to hear someone say these things and be worried about them. You're good:(

[@jermbonotrombone]

Nah man, it’s not parasocial, it’s just having some basic sense of empathy for another human being when you hear their story, especially from their own mouth.

[@TemenosL]

Yeah, that's not parasocial. Negative parasocial attitudes would be if you felt these people ARE your friends, rather than just feeling like they could be, because of how familiar you are with their work.

[@beaks321]

"If the behavior doesn't change i dont care how long ago it was" hit so fucking hard, good lord

[@OviTexhnolyze]

Holy shit... They both have a really good reason to feel this way. How can we support Ding Dong and Julian the most nowaday? It was so nice having them both in these Let's Plays. It felt like 2 of my own finally ended up on a bigger platform, and god it made me very happy. Miss them both dearly. Hearing Ding Dong say "I was stupid to prioritize reality" Really struck a chord. Don't let truth die Ding Dong, you did the right thing. I hope both Ding Dong and Julian are doing well now. There are others who feel the same way as you both obviously, and it's a huge HUGE group of people. I think individuals like you both should do some of the leading now. Ding Dong, you have tons of viability, it just may not be in let's plays anymore. You should hit the truth sphere, and not the silly truth sphere. Think about podcasts like Jason Louv's, or even Duncan Trussel's, gosh even a Tedx talk or something would be fantastic. We need a conversation about exactly why the internet needs a huge social overhaul. Your story is SO necessary, and your wisdom is where I personally see a ton of your potential viability. Stay alive Ding Dong. You have a beautiful mind that deserves to live, you and Julian both. You both know what a mask is clearly, so you both should be working with others who know what masks are too. Your story just helped me substantially as an entertainer type. I will heed the hell out of your warnings about this experience. It's a serious jungle, and other up-and coming entertainers need the wisdom you both obtained through your experiences.

[@kirbyrox2]

They have a patreon called wan wan games and a twitch channel called WanWanDev

[@CesarconLimon]

56:38 "I am not as nice as Ding Dong is." Julian is ready to take everything down when the time comes for it I have mad respect for that honestly.

[@CabaretDescartes]

8 months since this have been posted and I only found out about it now, the description alone shows how outrageous this situation is and it's a shame people barely talk about this

[@CapcomGod]

Never has there been a bigger need to have a youtube channel cancelled than there was with Arin. Ryan from AH, Cryotic, Sr. Pelo... all these other big channels got demolished for less sins than what Arin has gotten away with. The fans who think they are moral whiteknights and protect this guy are equally to blame.

[@Dogy0909]

@@CapcomGodI just watched a video about Cry and idk if I would say he’s better than Aaron.. did Arin ever rape a teenager?

[@jarlbalgruuf2415]

It's a good thing people don't talk about it, let DD and Julian move on with their lives for fucks sake

[@radicalfishstickstm8563]

@@Dogy0909cryotic’s cancellation was more iffy due to complete silence among everyone in the cast. I mean now it’s confirmed but maybe they aren’t up to date

[@DouglasQuaid999]

"Bring back bullying, said the 34 year old that got bullied in school and now gets to do it on the internet" Too fucking right, I hate the new Internet.

[@TheSutanian]

Susie?

[@Shiroi0moi]

@@TheSutanian did she ever say that?

[@LilOutlaw03]

The new internet scares me. I'm definitely no longer a kid but that's not stopping the fear. It's so ridiculous

[@kaydwessie296]

I was horribly bullied and still am on occasion even in my 30s, and I instantly don't respect anyone who says bring back bullying, even if I originally did respect them.

[@FunvoltGunvolt]

​@@Shiroi0moiI thought they were referring to Sneako

[@daftpunkstan7599]

19:55 "im glad youre raising your voice about it." hits HARD. that is true empathy

[@sip9549]

i just got to this point myself and wanted to see the newest comment about it, found it immediately... it is something that is so so so gratifying, having someone who is all for you getting rightfully angry and upset about something after you've put it down for so long, Julian is a true sweetheart throughout this stream

[@lazy4528]

@@sip9549 exactly

[@bozuteru2160]

I only wish for DD and Julian a quiet, calm, peaceful and succesful life of indie game development, truly love them, and I hope this is the final nail on the drama coffin that has been going for years now

[@gercey3314]

all this over a dumb dad dating simulator.

[@pauldee1577]

Dream Daddy was gaysploitation kind of like Blaxploitation. Cheesy stereotypical takes on gay culture from people clearly on the outside who have no business writing gay characters.

[@garrettmetting6938]

At least blaxploitation films were often written and directed by black people

[@MrSleepyweezul]

I haven't kept up with them in years but it always seemed patently obvious that Egoraptor was closeted Bi, and that he had to express the frustration with humor... And based on how that fucked up MY personality over the years, I bet that's why he's a douche sometimes.

[@memenazi7078]

Arin is pretty gay

[@Hisnitch]

As Garrett has stated, Blaxploitation films were mostly created, penned, and directed **by** Black artists, writers, and actors and they only somewhat stopped when Hollywood took notice (somewhat because it expanded it). If what people say about Dream Daddy is true, then Dream Daddy isn't Gaysploitation, it's just the usual straight-washing by straight people who think that gay people are disgusting caricatures who should "go back to where they belong."

[@LobotomyDC]

Which is funny as a bit inside a work, but the entire work itself? Literally void of humor. Social commentary in the form of parody doesn't work as a macrocosm. You couldn't make a movie out of the radio DJ guy from The Fifth Element.

[@BlazertronGames]

I wish he'd reveal it all. These people deserve to be held accountable, it's embarrassing how childish this stuff sounds. If he has evidence, he should absolutely expose it. He says that "people don't want to know these things about people they enjoy watching" but I, and probably many others would prefer it. I'd rather not watch something and enjoy them if they are a piece of shit behind the scenes, especially if they're still a piece of shit years later.

[@nixmix4021]

Yeah, the people at rantgrumps may be completely unhinged losers but at least they care, if they revealed any more evidence then I'm sure the rantgrumps people would help spread the word

[@JAMES_IS_HERE]

I could only imagine what is going on there now, thats what is also worrying

[@hippopoika4170]

He also doesn't reveal names because he think that is petty.

[@SiliassOmega]

it's no different than when an athlete gets exposed for sexual abuse or some kind of misconduct, or when a celebrity is discovered to being a pedophile. Nobody wants to support people like that, and those that do are fucked in the head themselves or just lack that much self respect that they choose to ignore the facts about those people.

[@t.funkthecoolmunk5472]

I can’t blame them, if no one listened to you for the past six years, you’d probably want to move on as well

[@revolutionarylass5298]

The fact that I'm only finding out about any of this 8 months after this was posted proves that a sickening amount of what he said is true. It's been in front of our faces for a long time

[@thewariowaft1146]

It's terrible, I had no idea any of this was happening or that this was a situation that people were denying. I never looked into why Ding Dong and Julian quit because I just figured it was financial or something. I never could have imagined that Dream Daddy of all things would be the catalyst for something like this.

[@pliskin101]

Julian is a hero.

[@bozuteru2160]

We would all benefit from having a person like Julian in our lives, the way Ding Dong speaks about him is really touching, and conversely, we should all strive to be like Julian was for Ding Dong for a person we love

[@KingWolfy]

as an avid GG fan, this sickens me. I was never fully aware of DingDong & Julian's situation. as a gay person myself, I feel 100x worse for not knowing any sooner. It does relieve me to see that the two are doing better on their own. these two are legit comedic, wholesome, amazing people, and to hear them going through something like that is upsetting to a whole new degree, for years nonetheless. I love them even more now.

[@MaestroKeith21]

So, you still an "avid" GG fan?

[@KingWolfy]

@@MaestroKeith21 nope

[@MaestroKeith21]

@@KingWolfy That's actually good to hear. I think you're a decent person if, after hearing that, you can stop being a fan of them.

[@bugsbin]

Same. It sucks to hear because I loved gg but this is inexcusable.

[@LilOutlaw03]

Yeah fr. I'm legit so angry about it bc I can't believe I've never heard about any of this and it's kinda hitting me like a brick. It's honestly just disgusting in every possible way and knowing how they treated these two and never really cared about their thoughts or opinions is just sick. I've never watched any of the new GG stuff and I never plan to, same goes for anything else they do, music included. I'll just stick to the classics and nothing else even though that stuff was probablade when it all happened but what else can happen.

[@funnylookinrat]

It's so uncomfortable for me to watch this. ding dong is like the most laid back and cynical person to listen to, and for him to just explain the fucked up stuff happening behind the scenes with genuine anger makes me feel so sad that people only hear him now. It's honestly quite depressing.

[@normanred9212]

His biggest failure was not going all the way lol

[@Denri]

Unfortunately it's the classic case of "don't meet your heroes" People are never the same in private than they are in public or when it comes to what you can do for them and it's a shame.

[@lazarus_reversal]

I mean Ding Dong's said in another stream that he considered the Game Grumps stuff as just a job (either that or Dream Daddy, not sure which. Just check out his final stream), so it's probably not really "don't meet your heroes" and moreso "don't work with Game Grumps" lmao.

[@cupoftea3499]

And I hate how the same is true with ding dong and Julian because they are acting like their true selves right now. If I meet them they'll dislike me for being a fan. They have said many times before how they don't like this, how they don't like random numbers fawning over them when we don't know them. I hate how I can genuinely never meet them because they seem like actually amazing people that I'd love to get to know personally.

[@jarlbalgruuf2415]

Don't project, not everyone is as twofaced as you are. "A thief thinks every man steals" applies here

[@Denri]

@@jarlbalgruuf2415 Julian previous talked about how he would watch game grumps every day while he would do art, he genuinely seemed star struck. There's a lot of cases of the power dynamic of a fan > creator not going well.

[@jarlbalgruuf2415]

@@Denri cool anecdote but that has nothing to do with what I said. Don't project. You're self-admittedly a fake pos so it's not like you can even begin to understand nomal healthy dynamics.

[@snugasapugonarug]

On the staging fake fights thing I explicitly remember Arin yelling at Matt for browsing reddit instead of working and thinking like... Yeah, it's a bit, but how is it funny? He kinda sounds serious? Now I gotta wonder.

[@lookslikejambles5687]

I think Jon experienced this early and headed for the hills honestly

[@debeb5148]

​@@lookslikejambles5687With Jon it's also equally likely he just wanted to make his own content. Maybe you're right, but I like to think that Arin back then wasn't so jaded

[@Necroskull388]

@@lookslikejambles5687I think Jon got mad that everyone around him was getting less racist and he felt excluded.

[@Luuute]

​@@lookslikejambles5687100% this. I remember when GG was first created and it was advertised for on Jon's channel as a fun side project with his friend Egoraptor. As soon as there was money involved Arin got way too corporate and started taking it too seriously and Jon got out.

[@GoyBenius_0901]

​@@Necroskull388 Bro you Follow Dokibird yet you can't even see the similarities between Doki's situation and Dingdong's situation. Or even Jon's situation. You're a GameGrumps dickrider.

[@123ili]

"yeah so he felt betrayed that you were gay" .....? what? excuse me?

[@normanred9212]

Aids, STDs, it always leads to drag and pedophilia and even worse. Every, single, time

[@pengmaeda9908]

what? Huh? WHaaah?

[@wilberarthur11122]

yeah for some reason they think they're entitled to DD's identity when its not a big deal? cool very cool

[@coulsoncrawford2456]

I know Mr. Dong doesn't think people care about the truth, but we do. A lot of us do, and for one I'm very grateful we still get to listen to these two funny dudes. I hope they're both doing well!

[@GrayD_Fox]

He doesn’t mean us, he most likely means the “lovelies” the devout fan base that will ignore any evidence.

[@normanred9212]

Lmao you say that until other truths in the world come out and then you call it evil, bigotry, liea, etc etc. Don't be hypocritical

[@lingricen8077]

He opens up to his audience about how people pretend to be on his side but actually betray him…and then that same audience thank and cheer the abuser when he shows up and gifts subs. Thats…so messed up, can you imagine opening up to people about backstabbers only for those people to then backstab you to your face in favour of the abuser….

[@Applekinz]

I’m with Julian, I’m so SO happy hearing DD vent for once. Love them both so much.

[@Proserpira]

What's insane is that Dream Daddy isn't a well-written game at all. They _had_ to have known this. It's not at all worth the price for the lackluster story it attempts to give. The characters are all extremely shallow and uninteresting in every aspect. I don't mind stereotypes. I'm fine with them. But a stereotype should only be the basis of your character, not the entirety of it. The only thing i remember about the love interests were their designs. That's it. The story went nowhere. The second it started to give potentially interesting plot points, it ended. Every single time, i was like "That's it?????" There are free porn VNs with better writing than Dream Daddy.

[@cameronmills3599]

I feel pretty crappy listening to this. I remember making snide comments on some videos following Julian stating he wanted to pretend OneyPlays didn't happen, but listening to this it's obvious why he'd feel that way. DD&J come across as super genuine people and they got dicked over in the most unfair ways. I hope Wan Wan Games works out, and look forward to seeing what kinds of stuff they come up with in the future.

[@Weirdsinbad]

I don't think they have any problems with Oney from what I found oney fell out with Arin over the amount he charged for using grump equipment and the game situation. Julian didn't want to be seen as a character and was worried about negatively influencing kids, Ding dong is just private.

[@jayjam379]

All of the problems they had were from when Oneyplays was based out of the grumps office and when they were getting paid by Arin's crew. As far as I can tell there isn't any beef between Chris and DD+J and Chris fell out with arin because he probably saw what happened and didn't want to be associated with him anymore. Their OneyStays segment was pretty recent (end of 2021?) and I remember hearing DD still talks with Chris, so they're on good terms

[@Bungusmcbean]

@@jayjam379 They also sound way happier in those videos. When Julian said that many people just assumed he was making that statement towards Chris and not the stressful working enviroment and fear and manipulation

[@AlzMarioWolfe]

They don’t have any problems with Chris. They even plan on coming back to finish Yiik on OneyPlays.

[@Eraser_Tracer]

@@AlzMarioWolfe They already did. They just all wanna make sure they’re all proud of the series finale

[@RipScissor]

Ding Dong & Julian are just the most sane/intelligent members of the GG/OneyPlays sphere.

[@Trailerpark_Pyro]

Tomar is also fairly sane

[@BebieHachi]

I feel as though both Chris and Zach, and hell, even Lyle are very intelligent and thoughtful people as well. They're talented and disciplined and quite respectable people, just as much as DD and Julian. Their "unhinged" thought processes aren't really something that would logically take away from these things, I don't think. They're all so great, and I'll always be grateful for them and their content, and wish them the best. Especially DD&JStar.

[@cunter4155]

I don't think they're the most sane. But by far the most honest ones imo. Those who portray themselves as the pillars of morality typically aren't the best people.

[@RipScissor]

@@BebieHachi Ehh I don't know if I'd say that about Chris and Zach personally. They're both very funny and talented people, but I've never considered either of them to be particularly intelligent. They often come across as people who never grew up past their "edgy high schooler" phase and take nothing seriously to a fault, especially if you've heard their opinions on things in podcasts and whatnot. DD and Julian have definitely more of a foot in reality.

[@rinakitty9283]

​@@RipScissoryou should take a look at the tweet Chris sent egoraptor after the Pelo post, pretty damn grounded.

[@LieseFury]

i've never heard a single fun story about working at game grumps

[@howtobe123]

I missed the oney plays era with ding dong and Julian, the Oney stays not too long ago was really nice but it does put a bittersweet taste on the era, they both seem like such good people and to hear they were treated so badly is rough. Nothing but love for them, funny scream.

[@KevlarCaviar]

Very disappointing to see that Matt continued to try and pretend that he and DD made up and are friends in his response to this video even after DD explicitly stated that they in no way made up. Seems like he didn't even watch the video from how much his statement doesn't add up.

[@RisingRevengeance]

Which Matt is he talking about?

[@madnessbound]

@@RisingRevengeance supermoogle

[@RisingRevengeance]

@@madnessbound Really? Well that sucks, always thought they didnt care much about their public image

[@madnessbound]

@@RisingRevengeance this was back when they were still technically partnered with game grumps, not doing their own thing separate from them, so idk maybe they decided to bite the bullet and try to avoid the drama to get to what they wanted to do or maybe that's entirely devil's advocate and they're more to blame than we'd assume for not doing the right thing, especially considering I've heard Matt say shit like "I miss ding dong" n shit in some more "recent" stuff, think it was truck sim before i stopped watching but i don't remember

[@TakFlake]

Where is his response??

[@Evan_2-the_sequel]

If someone just talked to you about an attempt they made on their life, and your first response is to encourage them to do that in the hopes to get back at someone, you need to take a _long_ look at yourself, and then punch yourself. Can't believe that actually happened.

[@normanred9212]

Lmao I would say that, and I wouldn't joke or smile

[@GamerScottYT]

18:45 another moment of Julian doing something so meaningful and ding dong talking about him in such a sweet way to the point it makes me audibly say"these two are the best couple"

[@aldxbaran]

ikr fuck i need a julian in my life

[@huntrj3116]

I like Matt, but I am little disappointed in his dishonestly throughout this. I’m glad Ryan didn’t seem to cause any issues and was upfront. He did always feel like the more genuine of the two.

[@orangesimmer7928]

When DD said Matt I had a feeling it was him bc of his connection and being around Chris. It sucks bc I support SM whole-heartedly and makes me question Matt a bit.

[@winstonbechill1119]

@@orangesimmer7928 i personally stopped supporting them around the creator clash time. They’ve become complete sell outs and hearing this shit from DD makes it even worse.

[@aubin521]

@@orangesimmer7928 I stopped watching Super Mega around when covid hit in 2020. I noticed Matt and Ryan seemed more like ex-friends who work together instead of actual friends who loved and cared for another. I recently watched some of their stuff and they seem so toxic and burnt out it’s honestly sad.

[@harrison.kaiser]

@@aubin521 I still watch supermega a bit and idk what I'm not seeing, it doesn't seem like they have any less chemistry than they ever did

[@johnnybravo5726]

All I know is I know nothing and the supermega boys make me laugh and are the least bit self aware which is pretty much all that matters to me

[@wanderingrandomer]

God damn. I've only ever really known DD and J through OneyPlays, but hearing this shit finally made me pledge to the Wan Wan Patreon, because these boys deserve it. It's awful the way they were treated, and we still likely don't know the half of it.

[@ninetyone9191]

The Grumps just announced they're trying to develop another game. Everyone should keep a close eye on them

[@mino2123]

I really hope dingdong can just live peacefully and easily with julian from now on. he was always my favourite member of oneyplays, beyond the fact that he's just really funny he is really genuine too. i won't be able to stomach any game grumps content from here on

[@Numie.]

For real, it’s abhorrent that they were so adamant on covering this shit up and perpetuating all of this mess

[@SOF88]

This is a lot to absorb. As someone who's spent many hours listening to compilations/playthroughs involving DD & Julian it's very disappointing to hear how they've been treated and how hopeless life got for DD at one point. I can't describe how happy I felt listening to this and knowing what a rock Julian is for DD and how he took a backseat and just let DD get off his chest what he needed to. We obviously aren't owed an explanation, but hopefully one day the filter will come off and we'll get a more clear outline of what happened. I think it's healthy to remind people that, beyond watching KZbin videos and having to take internet personalities at "face value," there's a lot more that happens behind the scenes and relationships can become very complicated when friendships and working relationships intertwine.

[@chimerschang]

I just wanna say that I think it's kinda funny how Julian remains invested in the game even while Ding Dong is ranting about all this heavy stuff.

[@isdel9474]

You really have to wonder if any commenter on here has actually watched this video and listened to Ding Dong. Even a video of him saying "Don't use my words as ammunition for internet drama about Game Grumps", the commenters here will still do it. Case in fucking point.

[@ShyRanger]

Yeah I watched this video and then another video rec commended was a Drama KZbinr, basically just summarizing the video. A lot of the comments were like here, but there were a lot of "Why are you covering this when DD basically says not to" or "Why don't you just tell people to watch the stream instead of jus summarizing it" The person never rally responds to this.

[@zae-ya7343]

Really shows you how much people don't care and only care about drama and nothing else. It's good that they're still around and on to better things though.

[@jormilos]

What if learning about this was the reason for me to stop liking game grumps? I like Ding Dong and Julian, and I don't like how they were treated. Granted, I watched this a long while ago now

[@thepopo592]

I listened to it, tbh I avoided the drama for a long time just because it's so exhausting and energy draining. After listening to this I'm glad I did, in and out I just really hope they're doing better each day

[@SimonStrange]

I have to wonder if YOU actually watched the video, GG defender. "If the behavior doesn't change, I dont care how long ago it was." Please do what Ding Dong attempted.

[@Jimbo1221]

Ding Dong and Julian don't deserve all this awful shit. :( I'm so sorry

[@KarlPHorse]

I like how people will watch an hour long clip where DD and Julian point out several times how obnoxious it is that the audience will speculate and come up with conspiracy theories about what happened and who did what, and then go and do exactly what DD was telling them to stop doing. I read a comment on another video today where some loon was speculating that Chris was some kind of puppet master in the whole drama. Like seriously wtf is wrong with people?

[@mistertagomago7974]

Theyre the kinda people Ding Dong was talking about.

[@Necroskull388]

There are a lot of people who think that defending public figures is for parasocial losers, but don’t realize that they’re being just as parasocial when they pursue drama about bad things public figures did which will never affect them personally. They’re just hypocrites and losers.

[@Womper1992]

Chris stayed friends with DD and Julian, he cut ties with GG and Super Mega years ago

[@sloshed-rat]

I'm glad Ding Dong at least has Julian. There's people out there that don't even have 1 person to fall back on. Good for those guys being genuine and honest with one another. Not only that, but they're also excited by each other's mask off moments

[@FreeJazzEnthusiast]

The craziest part is that Chris cut ties with Arin’s ass so fast. Like Chris is a person that everyone talks about being “problematic,” but when the chips were down, Chris didn’t side with the big youtuber. Hell, him and pretty much the whole squad of Oneyplays clearly are not on good terms with GG. As a gay man I have massive respect for that.

[@jormilos]

Lol I've gotten to the point where Chris and Zach are one of my measuring sticks for good people as far as letsplayers go. It feels like the guests that show up on Oneyplays are more willing to make naughty jokes, but they also tend to be the more honest people, and the people Chris has cut ties with (GG and supermega for example) tend to have some sort of scummy shit hidden underneath

[@normanred9212]

Chris and especially Zach are in hollywood now with the big wigs at Adult Swim, they made it higher than GG

[@eightcoins4401]

"everyone" is kinda inaccurate when its always terminally online people that are looking for something to be offended by.

[@LP-tf7cy]

Chris says problematic stuff, probably believes some problematic things, but he stands by his friends. I prefer someone who says the wrong things in public and in private over someone who will fake kindness in public and be terrible in private. I also think Chris and the oney gang may be a little awful sometimes, but they all are so it's not like anyone's getting targeted , and it's a closed little group. Game grumps is constantly dragging people in and making problems.

[@TehSpooks]

I'd rewatch the stream because what DD is saying is pretty clear - no one came to bat for him (that includes Chris). Chris didn't do anything to come to DD and Julian's defense, and anything done after the fact was to give the illusion to fans that he is/was a "good" friend. As DD himself says, find some proof that anyone came explicitly to his defense during all of this, but it doesn't exist.

[@spunkymonkey4485]

i don't even know what to say. i love ding dong so much and to find out he attempted to end his own life and was pushed by so many people to hurt himself fucking sucks and i feel so bad for him. people deserve not to be doxxed and kept hushed. i love ding dong and i am glad hes with julian :)

[@IsaacCosmic]

Julian’s ability to give seamless back-and-forth while also being super into whatever video game he is playing never ceases to amaze me. Hope those guys are doing great

[@rc9145]

Thank god for Julian he’s a real one hope life’s better for dingdong we love you bro

[@ReverendKJ]

The biggest joke on the aggressors part is… dude, it’s a goofy video game channel; why are they god damn Cenobites behind the scene. Ugh, I guess even an adorable Pikachu toy was still made in a sweat shop.

[@normanred9212]

It's because hollywood and modern entertain is run by talmudists

[@just.a.guy324]

This drives a lotta depression in me. Everything g in our culture, even the nice happy stuff is basically a lie produced by misery. Why can’t we be genuine?

[@actualjaym]

After hearing the stuff that happened with Lex, the bits involving matt and ryan are even more damning than they already were. Pathetic behavior from two people I genuinely enjoyed at one point.

[@pixelk8261]

Absolutely. Matt and Ryan are controlling, unempathetic assholes. It iust keeps getting worse and worse. I hope Lex, Rav, Leighton, Ding Dong, and Julian find financial and mental stability after all this. They deserve so much kindness and peace. I feel so sorry for them

[@marco42086]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to come find this after the lex video/leighton stream, but god this hurts to hear for these two. I loved every minute of collabs and only ever watched oneyplays for them, so hearing that the two groups I followed then, one of which I followed till now, were this horrible the entire time is just mind boggling, I fully believed they were genuinely good people doing kind things for the people they cared for. Obviously naive, but I kept feeling validated when other creators would have a controversy and not “my guys!” Ugh.

[@hatefuleyebrows]

@@pixelk8261 disagree with leighton, everyone else tho yea

[@roundabout468]

​@@hatefuleyebrowsyeah Leighton is obviously trying to grift off actual victims.

[@BigBrosFilms]

I truly hope people are able to connect the Ding Dong/Julian stuff with the Leighton/Lex stuff...

[@ImortalZeus13]

As a gay guy I come back here to this video every now and again and think to myself how blessed I would be if I had a relationship with my partner even half as good as what Julian and DD have.

[@HereComesWheely]

I hope you find that guy soon brother ❤️

[@goldenmolelover]

well get there someday brother, the only thing that will ever cement you as alone is if you decide to give up -another gay guy

[@Ad-im1ne]

36:30 huge respect for him calling out the idiots who thrive on drama like this. Most people don’t give a fuck about justice, they just like fanning the flames. This kind of shit is fun for a lot of people.

[@gryphondoar]

I literally love this group of guys so much and I don’t even know what half of them look like. To hear this really makes me sad, but happy to see they’re in a better place, physically and mentally.

[@ennuidaze]

58:22 That one fucking phrase hurts so bad, been a fan since 2016 and having all this shit come back up is so horrible. Glad they’re speaking out again.

[@trashteamracing8262]

I feel terrible that all of this happened to DD, but I'm so happy he's come to a place where he's able to talk about it. There's very few things as soul crushing as keeping other people's dirty laundry and backstabbing a secret to keep up appearances.

[@rezpiral]

This is horrifying. I fully believe Dingdong and Julian. Listening to this got me crying. I hope they are able to move on and find peace away from these awful, awful people.

[@Harry-the-Hat]

A bit that really sticks for me is Ding Dong noting the extreme reactions of people online. Why would people come clean about absolutely anything if it means they will be ceaselessly harassed online? The fans are every bit guilty of getting too involved and making snap judgements. It's a strange parasocial world we live in.

[@MixmasterCorn]

I’m so happy ding dong and Julian found each other. I never would’ve guessed ding dong tried ending himself after all the dream daddy shit. But that’s awful. And I’m happy ding dong is still here with us. I wish him and Julian nothing but the best.

[@Damian_1989]

The sheer damage control by some "lovelies" in this comment section is hilarious. Here's a tip, everyone: if a fanbase gives itself a super wholesome and sugary name, they're actually the biggest and most toxic pieces of shit imaginable.

[@DONKEYKONG260]

Here's a better tip: don't waste your life on KZbin drama. it's not worth it. Masters of nothing.

[@Damian_1989]

Yeah actually, you're 100% correct

[@sandwichmonster7067]

Same energy as the pitbull named "Cupcake" that eats toddlers

[@GrayD_Fox]

that’s why we oneyplays fans are called *gorilla noise*

[@psilobom]

Metokur fans calling themselves the "Sweetie Squad"