Director Todd Phillips Breaks Down The Key Scenes From ‘Joker: Folie à Deux' | Freeze Frame

[@mms2409]

Honestly, looking back on it, he was serious about it not being about the money, but rather sending a message

[@ArchiduquesaMA]

He literally gave himself 20 million dollars, 10% of the budget

[@mateuszolejniczak645]

What's the message then ? Because the only message I can see is ,, how to waste 200 million dollars on a piece of trash that nobody asked for ''.

[@mms2409]

@@mateuszolejniczak645 90% of people were fine with having another joker, people just didnt like how he went about it, ultimately the message was to the studios to stop forcing good movies to have a 2nd, he knew he was not going to live up to joker 1 and I dont think he really wanted to make a second but he got enough money that he just decided to piss everybody off, not saying I agree with it but at the end of the day I gotta respect a hustle

[@ezequielperez2224]

Even Quentin Tarantino says he liked it because it is a severe criticism of Hollywood.

[@shadowbetrayer_1014]

@@ezequielperez2224Lmfao, this movie is the exact incarnation of what the problem with hollywood is today. Useless and mindless cash grab that treats the audience like the real villains, it doesn’t even feel like this is the story that Todd wanted to tell like the one he did with the first film. I don’t know why people always think that when someone is daring and bold when they put out dogshit for people to see, it’s not. You know what’s more bold? It’s what Todd Phillips said with the first movie and that was it, nothing more was needed.

[@hammondztexasu]

All those who suffer from Folie à deux have made this masterpiece possible. All those who carried the first volume to the heavens for the wrong reasons. Todd must have known. He must have known that the audience would tear it up. Sick people are part of the mastery of this film. Bravo.

[@beedeebee13]

What were the wrong reasons? Do define. Are you empathizing with the Real Joker? Because the hole two piece series is about some guy. And that guy is a socialist hero in the first movie. Joker Guevara. You think incels empathized with or saw that movie? Or you are talking about the leftists who cried "follie!". Looks like you are the Joke. Part Deux.

[@hammondztexasu]

@@beedeebee13 First movie is neuropsychological study about him as broken sociopath and society. It is much more drama than action comics movie. It is not comics movie. But the box office was made by trendy young people who go to watch comics movies to cinema. You can't make such a success simply with the audience the film was meant for. There just aren't that many of them. The trendy comics people have bought into the idea that they're going to get another comics series with a joker clown prince of crime. There wasn't supposed to be a sequel, but after the success, the studio wanted one. So Phillips showed them, and the audience, that they'd miscalculated.

[@anonnigiri9301]

I really want more interviews like this where they show the scenes. for some reason none of the scenes are going up on youtube now.

[@xxczerxx]

Because the movie isn't a streaming release, people can't upload clips

[@anonnigiri9301]

@@xxczerxx i hope they make it available to stream soon then

[@SupraNaturalTT]

​@@anonnigiri9301You know how many sites you can watch this on free, which why would you want to😂

[@a7000zo]

@@anonnigiri9301 lucky you. Now's your chance!

[@anonnigiri9301]

@a7000zo yup. been looking at these

[@jesse1008]

Joaquin’s acting chops are just unreal !!! This interview scene show it off so well. We’re seeing an array of different emotions in just seconds. I freakin loved this movie !

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[@jesse1008]

@@slowfuse I honestly loved the movie. Joaquin is phenomenal in this.

[@jesse1008]

@@slowfuse joker 2 is a great movie. Honestly it is

[@anibala.moralessanchez8018]

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[@jesse1008]

@@anibala.moralessanchez8018 stop saying that. I had a great time watching this movie. Twice now in theaters. I max 👌🏼

[@kysen1225]

Amazing movies Joker 1 and Joker 2 people only want MCU movies dont worry James Gunn will create comic book Joker i enjoyed this very realistic take of Joker

[@JGPRIME25]

I really love Todd talking about the corruption of entertainment.

[@ezequielperez2224]

batman look at the size of those balls 🎱

[@TheJackiMonster]

I kind of feel that the criticism of media and entertainment in this movie hit too hard. People are going into this movie expecting Joker but getting Arthur in the end, leaving them very unsatisfied. But in the end that's the message of the movie, I think. If everything is around entertainment, you have to put a mask on to be someone and in the moment you can't live up to it, you get punished for that immediately. Ironically that's exactly the reaction of most people to this movie, proving it's nailed on with this understanding of society.

[@PR-WAY]

💯 shows who people really are

[@Lamar-n6t]

But the movie even disappointed people who were watching for Arthur. The first movie garners sympathy for Arthur because he’s rejected in society for his mental health issues and poverty. Many people can relate to this. Then they just beat down his character to death All in part 2 which just felt….. oddly cold

[@TheJackiMonster]

@@Lamar-n6t I mean it's even in the dialog at 11:00 in the video: "Do you even care? [...] You just want to talk about my mistakes. You want to talk about the things I did in the past. How about who I am now?" That's the thing. The story plays about 2 years after the first movie. Arthur is not the same as before. The movie shows he's rarely laughing because of his condition. Other people notice him, even respect him to some degree. So even old Arthur is rather a role people are looking for than the character. It would be interesting to see whether people get disappointed if they haven't seen the first movie and therefore don't know what to expect. But additionally I think what's hitting people too hard is that the movie is about corruption and it's a tragedy. So even if you relate to Arthur and you want to see how he doesn't embrace the Joker as a mask for the entertainment of society. He does not succeed and ultimately he gets what society believes he deserves. Which is quite shocking but very true.

[@Lamar-n6t]

@@TheJackiMonster i don’t think we expected a regression though. We didn’t expect an old Arthur, we expected his character to develop more

[@TheJackiMonster]

@@Lamar-n6t So what do you mean by regression then?

[@Ruleof2Review]

Love this man and he made a phenomenal sequel. The world apparently wasn’t ready for it. Embarrassing how movie fans have treated it.

[@_deers]

I agree! The backlash makes me think they misunderstood the first movie as well.

[@regonik]

@@Ruleof2Review yeah, he sucks at sequels. Hangover 2 and 3 are same as the 1st one but in different settings. Joker 2 is Joker 1 but sad, boring, with rape and lady gaga

[@adiz02]

Nice try, Todd.

[@BasedBill]

Hopefully, the world will never be "ready for it". I don't want to live in a world where this movie is considered an acceptable sequel. If "Taxi Driver 2: The Musical" or Fight Club 2: Electric Boogaloo" are ever made, I'll never watch a Hollywood movie again.

[@MadMax-ot3fi]

I agree, Phillips is a genius.

[@stevencarter6173]

I think the problem for a lot of people is that they wanted a moving comic book character rather than an actual dysfunctional human being. The first movie was a glorious twist on the Joker character, replacing a super-villian so extremely psychopathic and off the scale insane as to be one dimensional with a deeply mentally disturbed and suffering human being who through no real fault of his own ends up being turned into a media icon and symbol of rebellion against the oppressive status quo, his personal collapse and eventual violent metamorphosis reflecting the collapse of the city and society around him. The second movie, whether you like it or not, just follows that arc of madness to its logical conclusion. Just a guy with mental issues in a psychiatric prison waiting to go to trial for murder, and the pervasive effects of the Joker character's societal influence that keep demanding he be the one dimensional hyper-character that has become a powerful symbol and away from his damaged and quite pitiful humanity. It's a perfectly dark ending to Arthur's story. Maybe a few too many songs...

[@Sporeta]

you can change "a lot" for everyone, no one went to see the movie.

[@uncannysnake]

If that were true then: It did not need to be a musical He did not need to be humiliated by the guards constantly He did not need to be randomly and nonsensically killed off at the end with no setup Harley did not have to be a fellow inmate Etc etc

[@solidpython4964]

agree, it was pretty great, tho a bit longer than needed and a bit heavy handed at times

[@regonik]

No, people wanted logical continuation of a character shown in the first movie. People didn't like it when they were presented with a different character, one that was no where near Arthur/joker from the first movie. Add boring plot, slow paste, soulless songs.

[@solidpython4964]

@@regonik he totally is like the first movie joker lol. Idk why you would think otherwise.

[@morobogames73]

He really subverted my expectations by having Joker 2 being the sequel to Morbius

[@lordlemond1350]

This can’t possibly be worse than Morbius

[@EduardoOliveira-fd5bg]

@@lordlemond1350 It for sure is more disappointing.

[@Daniel__Nobre]

🤣

[@MrClean21]

Joker 2 was definitely one of the sequels ever made

[@iboeshakmon3r698]

hahaha broke dude talking

[@nekokonata]

He should do a breakdown on how he annihilated his own career.

[@xotwod3254]

He was bitter that Joker 1 made more money than hangover 2 that folie a deux was a big middle finger to joker fans. That's why the movie was trash

[@Carebear-g]

Haha he will have so many options. Hate it or like it. People are talking about joker

[@Oroorel]

Dude's made a ton of successful movies, he has more money then he could spend. He does not care about the Joker lol

[@jesse1008]

@@xotwod3254Todd Philips is hold a mirror to society, you guys don’t get it. Your wanting Arthur to be the joker like society in the movie. You don’t get that the movie is about the people wanting the wrong thing.

[@CaptainKenway]

@@jesse1008 Wow, that's soooo deep, bro! I'm so glad that I understand this insightful masterwork now. It's about, like, society, maaaan, and I live in one of those! I thought what I actually wanted was to be entertained by a good movie, but now I see that it was more important to be educated on my harmful views by the man who made The Hangover: Part III. Thanks, Hollywood!

[@bluejaytherapper]

This movie made me cry really hard. Heartbreaking

[@nanadecarvalho7840]

It’s very heartbreaking, I was speechless for the whole ride home after leaving the theatre.

[@SupraNaturalTT]

This movie fucking sucked

[@hectorcanedo5852]

@@nanadecarvalho7840 me too I cried as soon as they showed the prison scene

[@1polyron1]

Damn, the whole reason they made this movie was as a critique of media. People care about the wrong things is what Todd is saying. "That's life." "That's entertainment."

[@jesse1008]

Really great insight

[@1polyron1]

@@jesse1008 I remember Todd saying something back when the 1st movie was still a thing that he wanted to sneak a "real" movie under the guise of a comic book film. Now the great thing about this film is how meta it is. Is that not the plot of this film? Todd used the power of the Joker to tell the story of Arthur Fleck. If nothing else, I can appreciate the fact that there is meaning to this story. Now, it may not be the story we all expected but hey if we accept that Arthur was never going to be the Joker and look at this movie through a different lens I think theirs enjoyment to be found at least for me. Not a favorite movie of mine, but damn does it leave you thinking

[@jesse1008]

@@1polyron1 really excellent comments 👍🏼 I was also thinking that Todd used the studios as well to tell this story, under the disguise of “ joker “ I don’t think Joker would have been made if he didn’t do that and think of all the extra money he got to do the second one. I might be reading o much into it but thinking he played the studios and fans would be kind of bad ass !

[@1polyron1]

@@jesse1008 Todd 100% had that intention. He's very vocal about this lol. There are interviews during the press junkets of him saying as much word for word that released around the time Joker 1 first came out. I've known about it for a long time because when Joker 1 came out I absorbed every bit of content including interviews. I'll admit my first viewing of Joker 2 I was like everyone else thinking does Todd hate Arthur? Was Todd being too cynical and trolling the audience. But after watching some interviews and realizing how he gave everything for this film, I don't see it like that. He had a vision and he delivered it with heart. To that, I can admire even if the execution is not widely acceptable

[@johnjohan7907]

@@jesse1008 stop commenting to yourself bro

[@Huey_Booey]

Bro showed up for this video like he just delivered another Citizen Kane lmao

[@fra8nk]

He's so full of it

[@SupraNaturalTT]

I can't stand guys like this where they have to explain and break down a character that doesn't need much explanation. These artsy dickheads always have that female legs crossed sit that lets me know they're full of shit.

[@acon2211]

And you guys show up like you dont like seeing people who love what they do. I hope it'll get better.

[@Huey_Booey]

@@acon2211 If you think Joker 2 is a labor of love, then Todd Phillips is no less than a sadomasochist.

[@sheridan7475]

This is just a side quest in the joker universe and I’m not mad about it. He did great. There was no way to please the crazy fans. They can make their own perfect movies if they want. Babies will cry over anything.

[@borisiwanow]

There are at least 15 Oscar-worthy scenes in this film, and yet some people had the audacity to rate it below Madame Web? I’ve officially lost all faith in humanity

[@trashcan7140]

Movie was terrible cry about it 😂😂😂

[@borisiwanow]

@@trashcan7140 What brings you joy writing "cry about it" to someone ? You think you’re so cool ? You just follow a trend man.

[@Josh-il4sw]

I agree. It didn't go they wanted it, wah wah wah. Cry more, haters.

[@np4231]

Cope

[@RandRPresentations]

@@trashcan7140 yes explain what makes it terrible? It’s your opinion let’s hear the reasons, musical? Death of a character? It wasn’t a joker movie from the start this has been a guy living in his head since the start of the first film. Joker is the element on display the outcome of loosing everything. I don’t think there was any way to make this movie that could satisfy people. An articulate phycological film followed up by a self proclaimed character study.

[@Kryptic_Karma]

Damn this movie didn't deserve the hate at all. As soon as everyone heard it was gonna have musical elements to it, they shut everything else down. I appreciate that this movie decided to do something different. It's all a tragic story that is very grounded in its own way.

[@luisxo5167]

We will look at this comment section in a few years and laugh about all these people hating this movie

[@theunknownuser9609]

Many of the audience is also intereested only in Joker too unfortunately. I loved the movie.

[@NyaraiEverstar]

Tell us how much you get paid for comments like this.

[@starwarsisamazing6332]

@NyaraiEverstar Tell us how much you like to fit in.

[@NyaraiEverstar]

@@starwarsisamazing6332 What?

[@BruceKing-vr6di]

because this movie's name is Joker

[@luisxo5167]

Agreed

[@josephfennimore6570]

Great film. A true spiritual successor to the first. I do not feel throughout this film that Arthur at all lost what he gained in the first film. And I am so appreciative to the creators for not reducing this meaningful character and story to a superficial comic-book-villain-like escalation and villainy. Truly. Bravo for a great film whose only sin is being too real. Not asking for a third, but I am open to one. . . especially with this setup.

[@gtofficial1423]

I don’t think we’d be getting a 3rd either way but these idiots that can’t join the dots and appreciate the brilliance of these two films and their connection has shot down any chance it potentially did have. The biggest shame is that they don’t realise studios and directors aren’t going to take risks like this one did; if you didn’t like the movie fine but to actively hate on it is something else… well done Todd 👊🏼

[@Avacharaus9129]

well the people we saw in the movie are representing us. We are the same, we all wanted to see joker not aurthur. That's the thing makes this movie creative and super crazy. Just you said his only sin was that he was too real.

[@pappaashtray3869]

The people in these comments are so salty lol This movie rocked.

[@stejabrayaga]

You didnt grow up watching Batman and that's okay.

[@guilhermeurizzi2375]

Rocked to the bottom xD

[@greedyyawgoo5635]

This is why you need a director who reads comic books or even at least understands the source material, this guy hated the movie he created and the "Toxic Fan" who supported the movie that he put a message on the 2nd movie, " If you commit a crime, your are going to jail and die so don't be a JOKER".

[@roboticvisions]

Hahaha another dude that thinks that this is a comic book movie... The character is taken to make a reflection about mental health, maybe you're not prepared for that. You are the type of people who are represented through the Joker's fans in the movie. They wanted the clown prince of crime and they got a human being with a mental illness who is looking for love.

[@greedyyawgoo5635]

@@roboticvisions Dude, What? LOL, you are thinking too much dude, Joker is Joker, he is part of DC properties, and he is the main villain of Batman that's how people know him he is literally called the "crown prince of crime", people watch Joker because it's a Joker, do you think people are gonna watch, " Arthur Fleck a man with Mental Illness" directed by Todd Philipps?

[@christopherspitzka7790]

@@greedyyawgoo5635 I would. I don't care about the Joker as a comic book character. I care about him as a disability icon.

[@roboticvisions]

@@greedyyawgoo5635 Dude you know nothing about the real intention of the original movie nor this one. The director Todd Phillips already stated that he wanted to make a movie about empathy and mental health, using the name of the joker to attrack attention. He also wanted to make a deep character study about a type of comic book character, that is not usual in regular comic book movies. So this is not about source material and being a nerd about comics, this is cinema about emotions. This is the quote by Todd Phillips: "could the movie have been called Arthur and not included you know being wrapped in the Joker package I mean sure we could have done that but but part of it for me was kind of using the motor of the comic book films and doing something a little bit differently than the movies that have been made before in the comic book world I thought it was kind of the fun part of making this film was using that space and doing a deep dive character study which you don't see often in that space on a villain so while yes we could have written a movie called Arthur and got Joaquin Phoenix hopefully to do it but I don't know that it would have resonated as as much I mean I know it wouldn't have and I think it's more important that these issues and themes that are brought up in the movie reaches wide an audience as possible"

[@regonik]

Dude this is not about comics. J2 is dealing with another character, not logically connected with Arthur from the first movie. At this point, you need a director who can keep the logic and proceed with a character gradually.

[@christopheranderson2576]

I hear he cut the water skiing scene where the duo both jump over King Shark but it's not really King Shark, it's actually a visual representation of Todd's life played by breakdancers dressed as dolphins. That scene alone could have made this film only half the flop it ended up being.

[@CurtisJeffries-cd5vu]

they also needed hand drawn animation n there, like through the whole movie, like hand drawn rabbits. so u kno how crazy Arthur is. and some more extended rpe scenes with cucumbers held by the rabbits assaulting him so we can really feel Arthur's pain in his life right now, wut hes goin through. we also needed Arthur to walk n on his grlfriend cheating on him to really set this movie off in the right direction and give movie goers vital, relatable content.

[@marsgrey8964]

You're so clever, mama proud?

[@CurtisJeffries-cd5vu]

@marsgrey8964 he smarter then u

[@guilhermeurizzi2375]

​@@CurtisJeffries-cd5vuJesus! XD

[@o-shawnspecific80]

Loved Gleason in this film, was a best friend and antagonist wrapped all into one.

[@stejabrayaga]

I feel privileged to have never seen this movie.

[@dr.carmichael530]

My name is Todd Phillips …and welcome to JACKASS.

[@njskjskjsk3441]

brilliant

[@n.s.6250]

Shoulda left Coogan with his natural english accent because his american one was horrendous and he will never be seen as anything other than a comedian in uk. Gaga was good in A Star is Born as it was a musical film but then she should stick to singing as she crossed over too fast, Phoenix was as outstanding as ever. The direction this movie was just wrong it shoulda been darker and the life of him from a child with flashbacks. WAY too much singing/music in this. The first movie waz great.

[@chriskelly1654]

Why is everyone so upset everything that made it a musicals just representing Arthur’s thoughts it wasn’t to tell another story

[@buzby303]

1:35 - The reason this sequel was made

[@DeimosSaturn]

Thematically, The Joker as an entity in the comics is virally infectious. In the movie, he literally spreads his insanity with kisses. His lips, his blood, his body fluids, it turns people into The Joker. In the Batman The Animated Series, Joker uses a chemical toxin to turn other people into psychotics who laugh maniacally and uncontrollably. Harley, played by Lady Gaga, becomes infected by Joker, she wants to take him into him, his essence, become infected by him, and she realizes it's intangible. Just like Batman. It's a symbol of endurance, perseverance, self-overcoming. Lady Gaga, in real life, is a media entity who took on a virtual persona. Her character wants to live on as Joker after Arthur is sentenced to death. the line between intangible fantasy and tangible reality is the line Arthur can see through. He sees his minions being punished and killed for believing in the spirit of Joker and realizes the mistake the entire thing was. He says he wishes he didn't kill those people. He felt hopelessly out of control but took responsibility for his own crimes. He didn't want other people to be hurt in his name. It's why he's so mortified by all the people who are killed or injured outside the courthouse. "Bucket of Blood" is on the marquis of the movie theater where Arthur escapes the car that pick him up after the escape. It's a lot like Fight Club in that way. The antihero, Tyler Durden, doesn't want to be the founder of some movement of disaffected violent energetic people. He's just someone who suffered, acted out of frustration, had his moment of recognition, and when it started to get really ugly he tried to flee. That is the nature of revolution. That is the nature of being a figurehead. You can't control how people read the symbol. That's the danger of being a performer/entertainer/artist. Joker was finished. His performance was over. He closed the curtain in a very final and unambiguous way. And his fans emulated him, creating a mass-psychosis that rippled through Gotham, and he wanted the audience to see who Arthur was. He wanted to make the show about himself. The man behind the clown makeup. But Harley didn't want to see that. She wanted to remake The Joker. She wanted to breed a new generation of Jokers, build a clone army of Jokers. She had a whole gang of soldiers ready to do his bidding, ready to demolish buildings, take over the airwaves...She would have set the hyenas at the zoo loose Because society gets what it deserves. Society created Joker, and Joker was going to unmake society.

[@Blck_Mongraal]

If I could get a refund I would

[@JesusChristSaves.]

Todd made this sequel so he can be unburdened by what has been.

[@MrsCambers]

😂😂😂😂

[@Tails7212]

Great movie outside of the singing, THAT part and the ending. They should have all sat down and had a discussion, shaved the singing down by like 80-90% and reshot some of it.

[@apt7prod]

How do you go from road trip to this shit?

[@PR-WAY]

Movie was dope people just wanted it to be the typical PG superhero movies

[@ezequielperez2224]

Nowadays they prefer fights with explosions, jokes every five minutes, fanservice and nostalgia with cameos of old characters and a pink ending and saying "they're hero movies and you have to turn off your brain" and no. I mean, yes, it's to entertain but not all the time, I mean, Joker 2 doesn't expect it to be that and I appreciate it, but I want raw stories, that take risks and that give us a lot to talk about. Something that this movie we can say if it's bad or not [it depends] but it's almost been a month and it still gives us something to talk about. While the others like Venom 3 and Deadpool 3 don't end much and they move on to something else.

[@nancystellaclavijopaez3117]

​@@ezequielperez2224 yes

[@methylphosphatePOET]

​@ezequielperez2224 No, goofball. People who loved the first Joker hated this movie. And the first Joker has none of the crap you say people were looking for. So basically you don't know what tf you're talking about.

[@methylphosphatePOET]

No, guy. People who loved the first Joker hated this movie. And the first movie had none of the crap you say people look for. So basically you don't know what tf you're talking about.

[@PR-WAY]

@@methylphosphatePOET i actually don't care lol

[@mateuszolejniczak645]

You know that the movie is trash, when the director himself has to look down upon us and explain scenes in the movies, that only he understands, because we are so dumb that we all misunderstood his ,,production'' :D

[@mycuteb]

Loved this movie. Masterpiece.

[@ericcastillo3785]

"A test screening, or test audience, is a preview screening of a film or television series before its general release to gauge audience reaction."

[@ezequielperez2224]

In my honest opinion Joker 2 Folie a Deux is very underrated , I liked it ❤😢 maybe in the future they will give it their recognition [when? only time will tell]

[@dontaylucero]

This dude trolled all of us

[@regonik]

@@dontaylucero yeah, i can imagine the appreciation and the lines to his next movies.

[@onawaitlist5038]

All? Some of you just got what you deserved! The rest got to see a great looking film with great actors and seminal depth beyond your comic pages.

[@regonik]

@@onawaitlist5038 nah they didn't really show the depth. They could have used a proper long cucumber, but alas

[@prayforjonas]

​@@onawaitlist5038 seminal depth 😂

[@BasedBill]

While I am highly disappointed that the sequel was bad, I have to be somewhat impressed that he did do some master-class trolling.

[@Goygvffui7855]

In the end, it is important to make a good creation. A work that emphasizes only intention is meaningless... At least he did not blame the audience and blame them. These days, creators of poorly made creations criticize the audience as discriminators and do not admit their own mistakes.

[@lenircotia]

5:40 min Todd Phillips talks directly to this audience who hate the movie for not being "Joker"! Huh ironic! 5:58 min "And I find that really tragic."

[@LittleRayofSunshine69750]

I don’t think I will ever watch a movie with the involvement of Todd Phillips or Scott Silver. I can’t believe how awful Joker 2 is. I still love the first movie, this movie no longer exists for me! Joker ended the way it should, multiple choice as the Joker famously states!

[@lofo7703]

Personally i really enjoyed the film. I was glad he stuck to his guns with the idea of this joker not being the joker. I swear he always made that pretty clear.

[@The_whimsickal_artist]

I agree 💯 with you mate 👍🏻 for some reason the "fans" just can't see it the way a few of us see it. Nothing wrong with Arthur giving up/ not wanting to be "joker" (court room scene) it was Murray that called him joker and Arthur's sycophants took it further. I'm glad Arthur said it was him not the joker that killed 6 people. I thought joker 2 was a great film. I've seen it twice and I understood it more. It's playing on this app steaming called mannic I'm going to watch it free. It's safe Incase you didn't know. It's a nice clear bootleg 👍🏻🃏 cheers

[@lofo7703]

@@The_whimsickal_artist nice one fella, I'll have to check it out as if wanted to watch it again. I agree with you, I think people just wanted joker going on a rampage. I just wasn't expecting that anyways so was happy with what we got. Although, id have loved some more of lady gaga as I thought she was good.

[@nunojohn8520]

This movie is absolutely amazing! If you don't like the story then at least try to appreciate the images or the acting. This movie is great in many ways. I feel like people want to hate it just because it became a trend to hate it. Sit down and watch it again

[@MegaJoanna1988]

Peoples reasons for everyone disliking this film is so baffling. (Fans of the original wanted a superhero style film, uuh, no!) Did anyone want\ask for a musical no did anyone want a sequel in the first place? No, it didn’t need one. You people missed what made the first one so good.

[@DaniBeee420]

The joker did not need to be sexual assaulted

[@o-shawnspecific80]

No one needs to be. It's funny how to me how many things Arthur can go through and you still hate him because he isn't what you want him to be. "Knock Knock. Who's there? Arthur Fleck. Arthur Fleck who?"

[@chaiborg733]

​@@o-shawnspecific80 sounds like you're projecting. The movie was trash.

[@o-shawnspecific80]

@@chaiborg733 if I'm projecting, it means I have the emotional IQ to identify with the character, and his struggles. I think that's what people like you lacked going in to see it.

[@Jason-yw2ow]

It wasn’t Joker who was raped, it was Arthur.

[@hereb4theend]

Todd Phillips is the kinda guy to fart on his own food to make it taste better.

[@AliceBowie]

Well, his first movie was a documentary he filmed following GG Allin around on his last tour until he died, so yeah, I could believe he's into that.

[@acon2211]

That's a view, I mean. You see people who bring so much effort into creating collective and wide projects, only to express something and if they fail, or if most of the people "didnt get it", these people chose to send hate in return. Just the story of this film. How you love those who give you what you want, but cant just accept the fact that sometimes, others are not you.

[@regonik]

@@acon2211 bullshit. If you go to a restaurant, order a pizza and get 2 croutons, and then you get billed for the pizza. Will you go "ah ok i will not judge the stuff it's how they express themselves"? Or if you pay a teacher to teach your kid math and after 1 month your son does not know how to add numbers, but can name you 3 dinosaurs. What your reaction will be? Will you proceed with the same math teacher?

[@regonik]

@@acon2211 bullshit. If you go to a restaurant, order a pizza and get 2 croutons, and then you get billed for the pizza. Will you go "ah ok i will not judge the stuff it's how they express themselves"? Or if you pay a teacher to teach your kid math and after 1 month your son does not know how to add numbers, but can name you 3 dinosaurs. What your reaction will be? Will you proceed with the same math teacher?

[@franktriton6874]

I loved it… it’s so sad.

[@shanindtheeed]

I agree

[@davidfilmexpert]

I'm glad Todd Phillips wants to leave the DC world behind now. He should really do 1970s biopic drama about a musician like Joan Jett. Can't wait to see his next drama that's not a comic book. 🙏

[@CHMernerner]

I heard the reviews are bad. and I saw the film. it was great. Bashing the movie became a meme and even people who didn't watched movie review bombing RN. all i see is Incel Rage

[@stephenoconnor7581]

Liegh Gill who plays Gary Puddles, nearly broke me into tear's his performance was so good. You see him getting though to Arthur showing him he had a friend before he become Joker and people now are bring out the worst in him for their own gain. Loved both movies cant wait to watch them back to back. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@Glad-y3q]

Genius movie

[@SupraNaturalTT]

I've never trusted anyone named "Todd"😐

[@dsfddsgh]

As George Carlin once said Todd is just a goofy fucking name. 🤣

[@SupraNaturalTT]

​@@dsfddsgh Omg I need to find that clip, that's freaking hilarious 😂👌.

[@noah.blackwood]

That’s my dad’s name

[@MrsCambers]

“Why is the carpet all wet, Todd?” “I don’t KNOW Margot!”

[@Mr.Strickland410]

He wants to be an artsy director so bad.

[@Cmace102]

For Those Struggling To Make A Connection Between Both Films: Joker (2019) -Arthur is troubled, sick, delusional, ostracized from society. Life is beating him down. -Arthur is pushed to his breaking point when he gets fired and heads home on the subway and ends up killing three men. -Arthur runs away and goes to the bathroom and has an epiphany that this persona he has is the real him, and he embraces the identity that he has not yet named (Joker). -Arthur is delusional and experiencing hallucinations, and he eventually discovers that his mother abused him and was lying to him about everything. He eventually ends up killing her. Soon afterwards, he kills Randal -Arthur gets invited to the Murray Franklin Show because of a clip that was found of him doing stand up. He says yes, and plans to kill himself on the show. -When Arthur is in the dressing room he asks Murray to call him Joker and he finally identifies himself with the name Joker -Arthur ends up changing his mind and kills Murray instead. This event causes riots to take place all over the world. He also gains a following and becomes a symbol. Something he did not plan or anticipate. He is then captured eventually and sent to Arkham. His final words were “You wouldn’t get it” Final Thoughts: Should we be rooting for a murderer? Should we feel bad for someone who is deemed an unreliable narrator and is ultimately a murderer? Is Arthur really capable of being a criminal mastermind when he is mentally ill and unstable? Joker was probably never really the true Joker…Todd Phillips let us know this awhile ago…the audience watching this film was rooting for Arthur, but we have to ask ourselves, should we really be rooting for him? Joker: Folie A Deux (2024) -Arthur is in Arkham, model inmate, still gets bullied, mistreated regardless. He has stopped taking his medication. We find out that he has a following outside of the prison, and that a tv movie was made which has catapulted his fame to new heights. Joker is struggling with maintaining this identity and loses his spark. Uses music to balance the fractures in his mind throughout. He is also in an ongoing trial for his murders. Harvey Dent is seeking the death penalty. -Arthur encounters Lee who we find out is “in love” with him and influences a lot of his decisions. Arthur is infatuated with her and believes that she loves him for who he is. When he meets her, Joker comes alive again and he starts to sing and unlock the true music that was always inside of him. It turns out that Lee is actually just a delusional, obsessed fan of Arthur and did things just so she could be closer to him. -Arthur eventually reveals to the world, to the audience, the jury, that he really is not Joker. That it was just an act, a character he played and that he was tired of it all. He realized that he couldn’t keep up the act and convince everybody of his innocence. This created a huge let down for fans across the world. The people that rooted for him, the people that looked to him as a symbol, as a hero, were deceived and ultimately angered. Lady Gaga then falls out of Love with Arthur because he is not the Joker. She tells him when they last encounter that all they had was the fantasy. Arthur also comes to a realization that he’s tired of singing. She then leaves him and he gets locked up. -At the end, Arthur is leaving to go see a visitor, and an inmate, who was fascinated by Arthur, followed him, saw him as a symbol, etc., approaches him to tell a joke. Arthur is giving the inmate at the end a shot at a joke, the same shot that nobody gave him. At the end of the joke he says “you get what you fucking deserve” and stabs him to death. The inmate carves a smile into his face (homage to Heath) alluding that the symbol of Joker and who Arthur represented still carries on. Joker even says at the end “I want a fine young son, to take my place.” Thats Life. Final thoughts: Arthur’s life was always a tragedy. That’s life. Arthur was never the true clown prince of crime. He was just playing a character that he ultimately could not keep portraying. The joke was on us. The society in Joker is a mirror of us. We were all let down by the reveal that the person we were rooting for was ultimately not Joker. We were all cheering on a murderer and we found it acceptable because he was Joker. But is it really acceptable? Joker was just the symbol/inspiration for the real Joker to take place. His legacy will live on. Additional thoughts: if you were confused and disappointed, didnt like it, it was already anticipated that you wouldn’t. Arthur said it himself “you wouldn’t get it.” The first film is called Joker not The Joker. This was an origin story, not THE origin story. The idea was that this wasn’t THE Joker it was an inspiration for the actual one. Also, Arthur was significantly older than Bruce Wayne which would indicate that it’s impossible for him to be the Joker that Batman would face in the future. However, it makes sense that Arthur would be the symbol/catalyst/inspiration for the future Joker that Batman will encounter. The only thing that Arthur has is the Legacy of Joker that he created even though his life was a tragedy.

[@billyobfas6962]

Nope joker is his own character. He’s not a copycat

[@KC.45]

Todd Phillips just reused a concept that was already introduced years ago in Gotham Season 2.

[@lukehalliwell8780]

I’m here for you man, very well put! The movie is genius! You just need to be able to see it… ❤

[@ciaranwalshe_vocalist]

Couldn’t agree more. I thought it was excellent. 7 out of 10 for me. From a movie making standpoint it had flaws, overlong, odd pacing and lacked cohesion to go all in on specific directorial decisions. I feel like the music coming out of him piecemeal when he’s Arthur makes total sense, cos it’s like joker (his other identity within Dissociative Identity disorder) is away but when joker is in control it should have been more all out bombastic consistently throughout the film. I also didn’t like that Joker was portrayed as a fantasy because it’s clear that Arthur is very sick with DID or split personality disorder. And it felt like we as an audience needed a visual cue to bring that together. Like the character of mr robot who appears only to Elliot Anderson. We needed to see the joker shadow at the end when Arthur is in the seat in front of the Jury to show that he’s taken back control And will face the consequences, rather than, I made it all up because that cheapens the whole essence of a mental health disorder. And I tell you what if I was on a jury and I saw those two distinct personalities coming out in his defence, I would be arguing for incompetency by reason of insanity.

[@anibala.moralessanchez8018]

Cope harder as to why this "masterpiece" flopped.

[@GTChris]

This dude completely forgot that appropriating an established character comes with a responsibility to uphold a certain level of social expectation. They walked the line perfectly in the first movie, only pissing off a small portion of the fans who wanted to see the Joker be less vulnerable. Unfortunately it seemed that he forgot that this line even exists and could bypass all of it by making an origin story nod in the Joker 2 ending to The Dark Knights Joker. The Joker which set a new standard for comic book villains. If anything it was unearned and therefore bordering on insulting as if to say: "we achieved something so special, that it transcends genres". It genuinely felt like if that Cats Musical movie made the ending so that it served as an origin story for Scar in the Lion King. To think this could've all been avoided if they only took one day out in the development to let the script be read by a handful of die hard fans to hear their opinions, obviously after signing a non-disclosure agreement. But unfortunately all we have now is a lackluster movie that devalues two of the best live action Joker portrayals in history. I am normally against giving directors and their army of yes men hate for something they put their heart and soul into, but it doesn't seem much heart or soul was put into this movie other than into the acting. It's such a shame, this could've been another classic, one would watch every other year. Now it just hurts to even know it exists.

[@disturpierced]

I genuinely believe we're looking at another one of these films that history will be much kinder to. The overarching message of this character study is too relevant and hard-hitting for ti be hated forever.

[@Unanythang]

I genuinely can't understand why people hate and are so upset about this movie. We knew it was going to be a sequel, a musical, co star Gaga etc. etc. Having known all of this prior, I truly can't understand what people we're expecting? I set my bar for the movie extremely low. I'm not a comics or superhero movie fan, which is why the first Joker felt like a breath of fresh air. If I have to see another A list actor on steroids in tights I'm gonna gouge my eyes out. Go watch one of the billion superhero movies that follow cliche cookie cutter formulas, rehashing the same stories over and over ad nauseum if you don't like these interpretations? Like I said, I didn't have high expectations from the get go, I hate virtually all musicals I've ever seen. This seemed like an experiment. I respect director's taking risks, even if the final vision falls somewhat short. Keeps art alive. That being said, I think Joker: Folie à Deux slightly surpassed my (already very low) expectations as A MOVIE. The reality is that I will watch any movie JP is starring in, even if the movie seems bad. I watch Joaquin for what he brings to each performance, more than I generally care about the director or their movies. Joaquin brings a vulnerability, honesty, raw/realness to every performance and always impresses me with how he interprets roles. Was the movie amazing? Definitely not. Was it decently entertaining for a sequel that is a musical? Absolutely.

[@cervezafria4807]

You said it yourself, you're not a comics fan, and for your way of describing it, your view of them is snob, shallow and prejudiced. Well, most of the people who went to watch the movie are truly fans, and have pretty sound expectations of what the joker is, and what is not. Look, if you want to be "artsy", then create your own stuff. If you use a very good loved franchise or character to pretentiously "reverse expectations" then, 1st, you're not as smart as you think you are, and 2nd, the backlash is guaranteed.

[@item6931]

Well then WB shouldn't be upset about a min $200 mill loss. They knew it was going to be a sequel, a musical, star Gaga etc.ctc. lol

[@Avacharaus9129]

I am not quite sure about this movie. But I think the audience in the movie and us the real audience are same. We all wanted to see the psychopathic Joker but as they were disappointed we all are. I didn’t like how they added too much songs but the concept is clear to me. I must say if he wasn't joker, they could have done better representing aurthur. Because sometimes it seemed like joker was acting like that to get out of jail (in the court). But the concept is dark and unique!

[@mfliminal]

Todd Phillips, bravo! You took a bold risk incorporating musical elements, and they flowed beautifully. I'm so happy to finally experience true cinema again.

[@ASchopenkeeper]

Classic movie. Great director.

[@ImranHanudin]

Next time Todd Philips, if you want to make a movie, don't bother putting Lady Gaga in The Joker movie: Folie A Deux just make a lot of money, just put Ben Affeck in The Joker's story, the second one, the best there is Batman.

[@h.c4898]

I wished he addressed the rape scene. If it was one.

[@dmtdeadman]

I thought the film wasn't bad. It has nothing on the first obviously. I think for me there was a bunch of scenes I liked and the theme of letting your fantasy's destroy your reality. Some song sequences were fine but there were wayy to many and it often hurt the pacing. I think for me it's the opposite of being a sum of its parts. It's some good parts that have been assembled in a way that doesn't do them justice. Just an opinion

[@IAmTheOneTheSon]

Terrible movie.

[@RevDanTheMan]

Congratulations on never working for WB again... AND losing a generation of fans...

[@gtofficial1423]

Lol even you don’t believe this, he’s one of the best WB has

[@davidfilmexpert]

​@@gtofficial1423 Amen! This was the only bad movie he made.

[@mangogoat4691]

jeez relax, you did not get the movie

[@davidfilmexpert]

@@mangogoat4691 Thank you, Todd Phillips still gonna be doing films for a long time.

[@BareBandSubscription]

I don’t think he cares, dawg. The man made the movies he wanted to make and peaced out.

[@bingchiling9645]

As if he has to come out and explain everything, show don’t tell! The film was turgid it actually could have had potential with some larger than life musical performances placed correctly, but there just wasn’t enough scenes. nothing really happened most of the time! The original has loads going on in comparison in terms of plot.

[@RAZR_Channel]

The Hate on this film is coming from a set of consecutive generations who's contribution to cultural history is : Pronouns... They live their lives unable to look down to figure out which way is Up... They can't be expected to appreciate what this film is...

[@myytchanneldinakoha8498]

…garbage.

[@RAZR_Channel]

@@myytchanneldinakoha8498 what's your pronoun ...

[@onawaitlist5038]

@@myytchanneldinakoha8498did the film hurt your brain 😂

[@myytchanneldinakoha8498]

@@onawaitlist5038 Naturally. Garbage hurts the brain (maybe not yours).

[@BasedBill]

Do you think the "Pronoun" people are why the first movie was a success? What a weird take.

[@WTHFX]

The first 20 minutes of this film are great. Joaquin Phoenix is brilliant but they unmake his character in the movie and they jam packet full of musical interludes that don't move the story forward visually and don't add much depth lyrically to the scene or to the characters. Lady Gaga is okay but seems weaker when having to play opposite Joaquin who clearly outshines her. The jokers turn as the attorney is painfully awkward and ends with first a bang and then a whimper. You get the sense someone had a vendetta against a character being an antihero for isolated and disaffected men. They made an example of Arthur Fleck and put him in his place.

[@jorgerivera5374]

I can’t believe people don’t understand this movie o u festoon all this what he’s saying before seeing this. It’s such a tragedy and I love the films people think just are like Harley and only in love with arthurs jokers self and Arthur still can’t find love unless the movie had him go full blown joker lol

[@zzzzzzz7268]

What a terrible movie. It is obvious that is a deliverate attempt to destroy the joker character arc because the idiotic director didn't liked that people feel empathy for the main character.

[@Kiyoone]

*Joker 2: FULLY A DOO*

[@zxit]

FULLY A DOODOO

[@mateuszolejniczak645]

Todd the script is bad, just admit it, there is no shame in admitting that you made a mistake.

[@chaiborg733]

I will never watch another Todd Phillips directed movie.

[@juanmanuelbaccino]

A millon times. I Agree. Outstanding! Part 1 was a 10. This its a five. Double Talking Jive! Well not a ten, its a One with more an more Zeros

[@MadMax-ot3fi]

Phillips is a genius, deal with it.

[@regonik]

Being a creator of possibly the worst movie of a century is an achievement.

[@ASchopenkeeper]

*best

[@regonik]

@@ASchopenkeeper yeah no. J1 was maybe his best movie (I haven't seen Hangover 1 for a long time);and it was a great one, but overall it can hardly be called best of 2019.

[@charlieno7893]

The Movie had so much potential and they just threw it in the trash.

[@hidden98blade80]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_film

[@NeterRafi77]

They needed remove the musical and the r8pe part!

[@marsgrey8964]

I didnt get joker killing and being cool :( weeee

[@anibala.moralessanchez8018]

​@@marsgrey8964

[@roboticvisions]

You are the type of people who are represented through the Joker's fans in the movie. They wanted the clown prince of crime and they got a human being with a mental illness who is looking for love.

[@cybergothika6906]

Dude, you're far too intelligent to have done this willingly. You can't have wasted the best opportunity to give fuel to the first movie; from emotional breakdown straight to the clown of crime. You could have done it ambiguously in the Batman myth, make the second Joker, either movie lovers or personal canon for DC fans. The end result was the opposite. It derailed everything, to forceful state "he was the second of three" instead of flourishing to there.

[@Groypette]

“I hated the kind of people who liked the first movie so I made this one out of spite and made Warner lose hundreds of millions”

[@aesop1451]

It's a Shakespearean tragedy like Macbeth. "I used to think my life was a tragedy, now I realize it's a comedy." Not all stories have happy endings. People suffer in silence everyday and there are no superheroes to save them. Arthur was mentally ill and he was not motivated by politics or ideology. The only person who cares about him is his lawyer, but a combination of not taking his medication and insecurity lead him to fire her and hence his downfall. The Killing Joke, the Harley Quinn animated show, and Birds of Prey exist. This is an Elseworlds story.

[@anibala.moralessanchez8018]

​@@aesop1451lol no

[@AliceBowie]

The thing that's so weird is everyone liked the first movie. It was huge.

[@aesop1451]

@@anibala.moralessanchez8018 Are you going to make a point?

[@nseven1117]

"it's not about the money, it's about sending a message"

[@jokerfleckcast3196]

Alan partridge is the GOAT

[@garethsmith6611]

What an utterly pointless and terrible sequel. Then topped off by an even worse of ending which undermines the first movie. Disaster. What in arthur Fek was this director thinking.

[@raulsilvagomez7353]

He literally talked about it in the video you clicked on just to comment. lol

[@BareBandSubscription]

The ending actually made sense to me. *Spoilers ahead* The point of the movie seems to be that the “Joker” persona isn’t empowering for Arthur, but is actually his complete undoing. He lives in the shadow of this other persona and in the end, because of how his persona inspired others in a toxic way, the persona itself ends up killing him. Literally, someone the Joker inspired came along and killed Arthur in an effort to take his place, much like how Arthur killed his idol, Murray, in the first movie, also wanting to take his place. Arthur created a persona that created a movement that wound up killing him in the same violent strokes he went about finding his strength in the first movie. He found empowerment through something that could only come back to hurt him, and at the end of day, he dies unloved, unseen, and misunderstood, just as he always lived. Even when he became a beloved symbol - the Joker - nobody ever cared about Arthur Fleck the person, and that is 100% true to the tragedy of that character. Nothing changed for him. “The Joker” only took him on a ride and showed up to kill him at the end. It’s actually a beautifully full-circle resolution in several ways, and it’s foreshadowed in the opening animation. Not saying Joker 2 is good, but that ending and the journey it resolves made sense.

[@regonik]

​@@raulsilvagomez7353yes. This moron of a director doesn't deserve another minute of anyone's time after stealing so much of it.

[@LUIZS87]

I think it was and good way to end the character and possibly go to the next villain back story. What killed it for me was all that singing. Made the seriousness feel less

[@raulsilvagomez7353]

@@regonik I think it's a brilliant movie but ok. I think Todd Phillips it's s great director.

[@mightymurph550]

There is a lot of good in this film but can we talk about whoever edited the trailer to take the dialogue from here “I want to see the real you” and put it in the visitor scene when she draws the lipstick on the glass. It fit really well

[@hakimi_arm]

I love the movie surprisingly

[@superproducercbiz]

I liked this movie. I still recommend people watch it

[@Lamar-n6t]

Please never touch a movie ever again in your life

[@Ari-vg6nw]

We want joaquin pheonix to be THE joker. Pleease change ur mind about it

[@shadowbetrayer_1014]

Come on everyone, even if the film wasn’t on par with the expectations - atleast there’s proof that Todd tried to cook way harder on this one than the first, AND GAVE US FOOD POISONING 💀💀💀⁉️⁉️⁉️🤡🤡🤡

[@felixthecat2786]

The film was a masterpiece

[@Starve-i8h]

Pointless

[@GiriT10939]

CinemaScore at the abysmal “D”- the first time to happen to a Comic Book Movie 🤣 ( below even Morbius)

[@aesop1451]

Madame Web, The Marvels, Morbius, Electra, Catwoman, Thor 2 - It just goes to show you both critics and audiences want more capesh1t.

[@GiriT10939]

@@aesop1451 no, Joker 2 collapsed because it failed to be either a very strong story structurally for the critical acclaim or more of a continuation of the Scorsese inspired Joker 1 for the general audience.

[@Oki-t7q]

I havent seen this but something tells me everyone is parroting each other like typical sheep trash

[@suryatejadasari8470]

A literal bandwagon of mainstream hate. It's mass hysteria (just like the disappointed fanatic inmate Arthur confronts at the end of the film). Any film that produces this level of polarity in opinion I think deserves healthy reviewing.

[@sueeunis701]

Oh, is that you fk up "joker" this classic character?

[@chasegreene1084]

Starting to think this needs a second chance but notice all the key points have no music 😂

[@craigmeister1241]

Bro actually thought he cooked like omfg 😂

[@suryatejadasari8470]

Don't care what everyone says about the film. But Todd Philips would be celebrated as one of the most daring filmmakers of this century. Films like this are born post-humously.

[@billyobfas6962]

Lmao

[@nekokonata]

DO NOT REDEEM

[@animefan2454]

Yea that movie was still ass He screwed himself big on this one

[@fabianhammer2864]

consider the fact, that its not without precedent, that filmmakers, writers etc have spoken out against the interpretation of their respective movies, take fight club, for instance, from which many young men took a similar message and arguably missed the same point- or more recently, breaking bad- phillips just went one, or rather several steps, step further, because not only did he attach an original IP to it, but during folie a deux, theres several moments, that lead the audience on a bit.... i saw people walk out, during different points in the movie and though i think, it was mostly due to them, having had enough of the singing portions, it was clear to me, that many thought, until arthurs confession in court, even up to the prison rape, that this will bring out joker/they will get what they fucking deserve.... and as a fan myself, i can understand why some might feel righteously pissed, it didnt happen, but also, because they probably dont want to admit, they were invested, up to a point, in the now so popular narrative of critics, that it hates its fans....its made really clear, that this regards only a certain sub-set of the first jokers fan base and it mostly gets addressed directly, after the court explosion.... not a whole lot of time is devoted, to showing how unhinged some of his followers are, so i dont buy into the movie existing purely out of spite, i think phillips may have actually trusted his audience too much, because he gives several chances for an out, only to pull you back in- the unfortunate thing about that is, that it really only works once, thankfully it worked for me, that first time and that i rewatched the movie today- i think some fans are taking it so personal, that they take too much of the narrative, at face value, theres a lot more going on here, underneath what some assume is the reality, within the movie.... i can explain, for anyone who is interested, but for now, let me just say, that neither the argument that this movie exists only to spite people (it was joaquins first oscar win and his first sequel and he wouldnt have done it, if he hadnt known about the risk), as a cynical cash grab, its simply too big of an outlier and the claim, that the character of arthur ends, exactly where he started, really makes me question if we watched the same movie

[@anibala.moralessanchez8018]

​@@fabianhammer2864The director's opinion doesn't matter. Not really.

[@boundd2]

greatest movie ever

[@sirchadiusmaximusiii]

Bro lost so many lifelong fans lol. Save that money Todd Brunzl. 😂 He’s cooked.

[@marsgrey8964]

Fans, you're not fan but angry lonely loser.

[@roboticvisions]

The same kind of fans like the Joker's fans in the movie. They wanted the clown prince of crime and they got a human being with a mental illness who is looking for love.

[@SamL12345]

You're acting like Todd Phillips was a great filmmaker to begin with 🤣

[@cervezafria4807]

​@@roboticvisionsif you want to make that movie, then don't call it joker, because that's not the joker. If you're a director and betray the foundations of a character or a franchise to "subvert expectations", you're just a leech who uses fans to get your more spectators that you would get by doing your own story.

[@sdco7487]

"Bro" is worth $200 million already. He's going to be fine.

[@tanyaozify6710]

He pisses me off.. omg. He's the real joker.

[@Mr.Facebox]

Joker 2… What a complete piece of shiii

[@paullebon323]

I loved this movie. I'm so glad it didn't devolve into childish douche bro fan service in order to appease the unwashed masses.