Dirty Tricks of the CIA with John Lisle

[@tipple58]

A fascinating interview. Very lively, entertaining, and revelatory. Gentlemen, thank you.

[@skepticmagazine]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@adamstevens5518]

I keep trying to figure out why even smart people feel the need to lump things into “right or left”, “conservative or liberal” when in reality every issue is it’s own separate thing that not even close to 100% of people who might label themselves as one of these things believe. I’m sure there’s a technical name for it, but I think I’ve realized that a large part of it is needing to fit in. Needing to make larger claims so that it’s not just *you* expressing an opinion, it’s something you can attach to some vague notion of some group that exists. Humans just aren’t confident, or smart, enough to think about every issue separately devoid of group attachment.

[@adamstevens5518]

Thinking on this more, since humans are such a social species, I think it’s in fact logical to keep thinking in these group identities even though they are essentially false concepts. It seems like the options are identifying with a group, which does not actually really exist because everyone who deserves the label of a “person” has their own thoughts on each issue and doesn’t just conform, or identifying with a person even if you don’t agree with everything that person believes. I feel like in reality the world and all it’s issues aren’t all that complicated. Given the right format one could hold everything in one’s mind and we wouldn’t need all this group identity nonsense. But the human desire for social acceptance trumps the desire for delineated truth.

[@MarkDemarest]

"...I like to be on the side of big battalions." -from an Alan Watts lecture circa 1960s. #SearchAndYeShallFind 🙌

[@chuckleezodiac24]

right on, bro. humans are social animals. and tribal. they also love to label, sort and classify. they're also into pattern recognition and herd mentality -- conspiracy theories and cultish behavior. reinforced by the sense of fellowship and belonging to a group. confirmation bias and validation feels good.

[@patm6704]

'Left' and 'right' is misleading - especially in the corporate-controlled US - because the majority of 'left' and 'right' hate lies, deceit, injustice, etc. They share human compassion and empathy for the suffering of fellow human beings, animals etc. That's why the ruling elites' worse nightmare is when we unite in common cause against them.

[@MrLBDude]

Maybe. Or it could be that one side has objectively verifiable truth that is being obscured by the unaccountable conspirators. Could be a person's own overconfidence bias confirming that he is, as always, above the fray. Or maybe not.

[@merbst]

Edward Snowden, Julian Manning, & Julian Assan have each proven themselves to be great exemplars of human moral courage.

[@TheMapman01]

Bradley Manning I don't think was motivated by noble aims.

[@trukeesey8715]

Controlled opposition; fake identities. All fake.

[@henryjraymondiii961]

Yes, killing and torturing people can be "very embarrasing". Thanks for including this early on in the interview. It saved me a lot of time. Kudos to your...mom & dad...

[@SteveParsons-ns2qn]

Actually there are fairly good sources (including academic studies) that indicate that the US did indeed use biological weapons in Korea - in fact, this should be no surprise as the Americans managed at the end of the Second World War to take over a good deal of work/research done by Unit 731. The head and other leading figures from the Unit went on to work with the US - these are established facts.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

1:43:30 "laser microphone" I was under the impression those existed since the 80's; Late 80's, my Dad worked in a skyscraper, where top floors housed big-deal corporate lawyers, often handling huge accounts. Dad said the windows had some vibrating gadget, to prevent the use of such microphones, aimed at the windows from neighbouring buildings (no idea if Dad's story was TRUE, where he heard about it, etc. But at the very least, the IDEA was around back then, if only as an urban myth/conspiracy theory)

[@tamerlan2677]

Very interesting interview!

[@garliclasagna]

thank you so much for your work

[@aminam9201]

It’s a triple punishment: being imprisoned on the planet of the apes, imprisoned among irrational apes without morals, values, principles and mind! and they steal and pollute my own thoughts! It’s a real terrible punishment.

[@kellymcgowan3547]

The problem is that the CIA doesn’t distinguish between Americans and non American.

[@vcom2327]

Interesting, but too much dialogue of "Two egos bouncing off of each other". Sorry to say .

[@aminam9201]

Even humans who are in a coma can feel (conscious through consciousness type two ), as well as humans who have damage to the cerebral cortex also can feel and have emotions , even if they cannot express it using consciousness type one, Therefore, they should be treated as human beings with rights and feelings like other human beings.

[@eilamariesartre8823]

A real funny thing that our intelligence agency did was find Dr. Paul Ekman to go study the facial expressions of the pygmies in Papua New Guinea in the 60s. He wrote a book about it I just can't remember the name right now it's very fascinating he also wrote another book called telling lies as a sequel to that first book

[@meinking22]

I think the moral of this podcast is that the CIA, and Deep State for that matter, never learned the lesson of "moral hazard."

[@oldtimer7635]

”Deep state”! Grow up!

[@aminam9201]

this too must reach future generations intact.

[@JCResDoc94]

*6:00** ideally, in the platonic ideal, the IC prevents hot wars & replaces the standing army.* i can see why that would make people uncomfortable. which i only saw after i typed it. & yeah, thats potentially a problem. _JC

[@NeilRieck]

I think it is mostly true that inventions stay in lockstep across the globe, The exception to this why Americans decided to buy Russian rocket engines (RD-180). Comments from American engineers at the time indicated that America stopped working on these problems in the 1970s but the Russians did not.

[@aminam9201]

The have to review all physics equations, the most important part is interconnection between distance to speed and time (don’t take them as solved problem), deep understanding of space is the key, why the speed of light is squared, why the distance is squared (that have deep meaning related to what has been mentioned above), Planck’s constant, Pi, G,…etc I am not sure but very likely space is one unit and as if something Weave dimensions (related to cycle two but not important to solve the problem), I wrote about that at least three years ago (space and generating dimensions, plants, planet earth, humans,…etc) very likely they deleted that too, they shouldn’t forget to focus on the units and their interrelationships. Probably I could have solve it myself but I hardly can focus anymore (in continuous severe pain). to concise: they have to review physics (revise and rebuild it) to understand space and gravity, the current understanding of the fundamentals of physics is incomplete to wrong. (They have to rebuild physics and use the technology generated by the work of former scientists as a tool) there’s something essential is missing (former scientists deserve all respect for their valuable scientific work but they had weak understanding of the fundamentals of physics too (no way to run forward hiding under their cloaks) the fundamentals of physics is much harder and needs real scientists and continuous scientific hard work that will take time (work of multi-generations of good scientists). (The current understanding of space is wrong).

[@JCResDoc94]

27:00 & if you got too far ahead, you werent allowed to use it. it would be classified until the tech is old. _JC

[@aminam9201]

The irrational thieves already started to steal and pollute human thoughts, some of them already wrote books (polluted version of human thoughts). Time is a process not a dimension nor a thing, it works similar to machine or function that takes raw materials or information, the processing itself is what humans feel as present, and the past is the result of processing (memory and events that took place as action), there is misunderstanding about future (what does a function or machine takes), for instance computer can make imaginary dimensions for calculating time,…etc), in physics space is necessary to calculate time but in human mind could generate imaginary space or even without space) not all mental thoughts requires imaginary dimensions. Time is real as a process (it’s not an illusion as some irrational thieves marketing for). it’s important to keep human thoughts intact (clean), if thieves have minds and something valuable to add they wouldn’t keep themselves busy with stealing and polluting human thoughts. Human thoughts belongs to future generations only (human thoughts are exclusive to future generations only). Human thoughts don’t fit in the irrational realm, they fit only with future generations. Human thoughts are not booty!

[@markstuber4731]

17:00 The Department of War was more of a precursor to the Department of the Army than the Department of Defense. The Department of War didn't oversee the Marines or Navy. The Navy and Marines overseen by the Department of the Navy as they are today.

[@aminam9201]

Why are they confused and surprised by the concept of time on the subatomic level?! Read what was written previously and try to think.

[@JCResDoc94]

19:00 what?! look into the korean war shermer. bio-chem weapons in particular. _JC

[@chuckleezodiac24]

Lee Harvey would be the worst covert operative but the perfect patsy.

[@gdobie1west988]

Suggest you read Shermer's book, Conspiracy.

[@patm6704]

@@gdobie1west988 Suggest you read Mark Lane's two excellent books on the assassination 'Plausible Denial' and 'Last Word' are an in-depth analysis of the assassination. The 1985 Miami court case - Hunt vs Liberty Lobby which the CIA lost and lawyer Mark Lane won - is evidence beyond all reasonable doubt the CIA assassinated JFK. Opting for peaceful coexistence with the USSR and Cuba, plus, ordering the withdrawal of US troops from Vietnam etc., got JFK killed by the military-industrial complex which controls the US. LBJ reversed the order, four days after the assassination.

[@aminam9201]

This very important: some irrationals claim that they are scientists talk about do infants conscious or not (they say not) and whether they deserve repeat morally (do they feel or not,….etc) All infants have consciousness type two (so they can feel and have consciousness type two), during the development process of their brains they get higher levels of consciousness type one and generate personal identity gradually which affected by many factors such as genes, environment,…etc they acquire psychological characteristics from their parents unknowingly. to concise: infants are humans too, have built-in morals, can feel, they have emotions too. they are not machines and machines will never become conscious miraculously (complexity, …. and they rest of their nonsense) as they think. any living entity that sleeps has some level of consciousness type one, so as long as infants sleep then they wake up because there is a degree of consciousness type one (low level that under development but do exist). so infant humans have emotions and rights too.

[@mrobert2707]

i am coming to assume that there are elements that would sicken us among every set of government actions that need to be kept secure and from the public. who is right and who is wrong depends upon the winner (ala 1984).

[@aminam9201]

Time is just a process (but does exist as a process) and essential process, when I write that time works similar to a function or machine I mean the process not the function itself or the machine!

[@JCResDoc94]

*22:30** we do it bc thats war. no1 thought both sides didnt do these things, the idea was the first act of aggression:* the Germans crossed established lines (& lost.) that is the principle. _JC

[@JCResDoc94]

as it is if we goad Ru into an open act: they lose. thr the bad guy. they should have sent a spec ops intelligence group over to fight our spec ops, quietly. but we want them to act. & we'll kxll em by 1000 cuts otherwise. either way: we win. _JC

[@JCResDoc94]

*how can you know anything about even the declassified part of the IC hx (& some of the classified journals) & still say such strange things about mkt & capital?* so strange to me. thr was no triumph of capitalism, thr was a triumph of power. & it can wear any clothes, it doesnt matr. _JC

[@JCResDoc94]

12:30 it is especially true for Libs. they need othrs on that wall. & we need them whining about refugees & the poor. i really believe that. _JC

[@Reason1717]

So much interesting material here...How is it even possible there are only 212 likes??? I sense a conspiracy here...Hmmmmmm.

[@patm6704]

'Conspiracy theory' is the very successful term coined by the CIA to demonise everyone who questioned the findings of the, now totally discredited, Warren Commission Report on the JFK assassination. Thanks to the 'freedom of information act', many so-called 'conspiracy theories' have turned out to be true. For example, the Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 2, 1964, was faked to provoke American support for the Vietnam War; Operation Northwoods, the 1960s government plan to fake terrorist attacks on the U.S. and blame them on Cuba to justify an invasion of Cuba; MKULTRA. The government tested the effects of LSD on unwitting US and Canadian citizens; Etc., etc. The successful media cover-up of the facts about the conspiracy which killed JFK was the green-light for all of the other successful conspiracies, like 9/11. Conspiracies work because the large conspirators i.e. the ruling elites, own and control mainstream media.

[@kentbetts]

cia folks on the scene with che guevara urged bolivians not to kill him but the decided to do it anyway.

[@aminam9201]

If future generations survived as rational intelligent entities then they will be able to know the past in details, they will not need the documents of the irrationals as a reference. not only that, they will be able to predict the future to high accuracy too.

[@aminam9201]

A new revolutionary physics is coming, I think that could take about 400 years to come, that depends on how much progress they do in the fundamentals of physics, they will understand why Time disappears at the subatomic level. ((There’s nothing to do right now, without real scientific progress in the fundamentals of physics there is no breakthroughs in physics)). there’s no place for patching techniques anymore.

[@aminam9201]

Process is not a tangible physical substance but does exist as a process (not an illusion), that is similar to consciousness type one it’s a process, that is why it’s not possible to upload a process to the cloud as the irrationals say! process means something worked on the process, so it’s useless to upload the process! but that doesn’t mean that the process is an illusion or doesn’t exist!

[@abj9121]

Randomness does not exist. Fact!

[@JCResDoc94]

30:00 einstein said that. _JC

[@aminam9201]

The irrational thieves agreed to consider human valuable and precious human thoughts as booty, and there is a tacit agreement (organized collective theft). Human thoughts must be exempted from being considered booty and immunized from theft and pollution. It's just a bad timing for the emergence of human , the laws of the planet of the apes are not supposed to be applied to human thoughts and considered as spoils! Human thoughts are the exclusive property of future generations only, and no one has the right to steal or pollute them in any way. I know that the irrationals have no morals, no values, no principles and no minds to maintain them but maybe there’s a hope for the sake of future generations. Morals, values and principles are essential for mankind survival! Human does not belong to any group of irrational apes at all, it is just a wrong timing (triple punishment). Human isn’t part of any conflicts among the irrational apes at all.

[@wesspence]

Time is only concept.

[@JCResDoc94]

*1:20:00** whr else are we going to test our weapons?* apart from on civilians. why would a war zone not be whr we test our biological weapons from our biological weapons division? it is negligent not to. why do we have the division? ocams razor is we use war weapons in wars. you just want any excuse to not shatter your world. _JC

[@anthonyalfredyorke1621]

Great show Michael, when I am watching this the views are 911 & the title says C I A !!! That's all the proof I need !! That British officer who fought hard developed the British Navy commando knife & wrote the warfare book Get tough which is the unarmed combat Bible for absolute CAD'S . PEACE and LOVE to EVERYONE.

[@patm6704]

Most people don't know that a third building - WTC7 - collapsed on nine eleven. Its collapse in free-fall time is the most obvious evidence it was controlled demolition and an inside job. The Commission Report said it collapsed "due to office fires". It's scientifically impossible for a steel-framed building to collapse in free-fall time due to fire, or anything less than controlled demolition. Nine eleven was the "new Pearl Harbor" false-flag the neo-cons talked about in the 'Project for the New American Century', and needed to get public support to invade Afghanistan, the first of the middle east countries on their conquest list for the War Industry, relentless empire-building etc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqrGkqGhaaareNE

[@jobyyboj]

Watch out for that Durham cult.

[@onatone]

Great interview but it feels like the author in sake of not going conspiratorial has omitted things that could be seen as an actual conspiracy, e.g. wormwood.

[@Ashakat42]

Schumer's Epstein excuse makes me wonder about his enrollment. He ran in the right circles to at least know about it.

[@JCResDoc94]

10:00 snowden is difficult to square. traitor. _JC

[@JCResDoc94]

45:00 shoudnt? explain twtr. _JC

[@dannunakifuque7795]

How about dirty tricks of MOSSAD?

[@aminam9201]

It’s a triple punishment (unfair).

[@aminam9201]

How can humans recognise dreams?! because they use consciousness type two during dreams. consciousness type two seems easier but that’s not true, the key to understand consciousness type two is understanding consciousness type one firstly. I know that it’s not the proper time for humans thoughts (still too early) but future generations will need them intact to survive ( that is the only chance they have). as they make scientific progress they will recognise how valuable, precious and important human thoughts are. stealing and polluting human thoughts as many sick irrational thieves did will ruin them and that is a crimes against science and future generations (my own thoughts belongs to future generations only “their own right “).

[@4OHz]

27:51 The Chinese are light years behind the dutch in photo lithography technology - they would like nothing more than to get their hands on it - is 10 years behind knocking on the door

[@JCResDoc94]

*1:41:00** nothing is going on today. particularly in ukraine & Russia. dont worry about it.* how is your digital forensics? things auto shred & overwrite now. _JC

[@MikeHunt-rw4gf]

Algorithm.

[@aminam9201]

Why and how humans can dream?! they use consciousness type two and temporary memory, that’s is why they can remember some dreams. how humans can recognise dreams even when they are asleep?! consciousness type two is consciousness too, it’s only different type of consciousness. why animals sleep then wake up?! for fun! they wake up because there’s a degree of consciousness type one.

[@aminam9201]

Absence of evidence is the proof that our masters are saying the truth! so let’s make fun of you for the sake of our masters!

[@aminam9201]

Time is not an illusion, it’s an essential process in cycle one, even in cycle two it does exist but different approach. protect human thoughts and exclude them from theft and pollution for the sake of future generations. the sick irrational thief apes found a booty ! It’s impossible mission.

[@aminam9201]

when I talk about any country I mean only the regime, I do not mean the state itself or the people of any country. no one served US as Russia did, I think the successive US governments recognized that Russia is worse than nuclear bombs, if US invaded Coba that would be far better for Coba! even in Ukraine war, I am not sure if it is utter stupidity or they agreed upon the main lines ! in both cases there is no real difference. I did not see anything useful made in Rusia! except weapons sold to third world countries to kill humans or Vodca ! second power is just an illusion !

[@patm6704]

The US/UK/EU anti-Putin, anti-Russia demonising has been cranked up to max since Russia intervened in Syria, a full year after the U.S. was supposedly bombing ISIS. Instead, the U.S. was protecting ISIS convoys of stolen oil, convoys of ISIS fighters and weaponry, etc. Without Russia, Syria would now be ruled by the duped head-chopping proxies of the U.S., U.K. etc. Then, the U.S. and U.K. would get public support to invade Syria. The US still illegally controls 80% of Syria's oil fields. Ed Chalfant "My son was stationed on an aircraft carrier, the longest Naval deployment since the Vietnam War. Aircraft were on one continuous Mission 24/7 taking off and Landing continuously. I remember the Russian intervention and within perhaps two weeks they showed the world the convoys of oil being stolen from Syria, the revenue being used to finance the US dirty war against Syria."

[@sofabiru6852]

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[@williamgreeson8387]

Michael Shermer? Is this gate keeping hustler still operating.... Jesus....

[@micksc1]

Russia are the good guys you know. Bad example.