discord is absolutely disgusting...

[@Delm0s]

Companies trying not to screw up an update/become money hungry challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@Melly.diablito]

least obvious rage bait

[@9rple]

This is so real though. For like every company istg

[@c1nqbl7]

@@9rple fr

[@dadarkmatterdude]

Worm King, Greed incarnate (This can be applied to any company)

[@minecraftexpertstudios7368]

So true

[@breadbeard6722]

Its insane how everything gets shitty as soon as investors are involved

[@jonahshriver1682]

Investors have always been involved though? That's how startups get off the ground...

[@junyaiwase]

@@jonahshriver1682yeah doesn’t change that they make it worse, what u thought discord was immaculate before this or something?

[@meki___6881]

thing is once they reach the goal of becoming a nice public traded company it will get much worse because they need at minimum 5% win increase per year every year no mater what

[@sharp7171]

​@@jonahshriver1682when a company becomes an IPO it's automatically going to get worse

[@_nochi_]

​@@jonahshriver1682 involved in the process*

[@ZeyMighty]

Next update: "Slash Commands are only available with Nitro!"

[@thewitchidolsachika6682]

Thank you. Thank you for your great contribution.

[@undefinedCat]

please ignore the uttshit bots here

[@realmanfrfr]

​@@undefinedCatnah don't worry ill 🤓reply them

[@realmanfrfr]

​@UTTPMoscowAA🤓

[@realmanfrfr]

hello there verified user

[@JaekSean]

Amazon is currently being sued by the FTC for the exact thing Discord is doing -- not letting developers charge a lower price on their own website. They don't actually go to trial until October 2026. It's nice to see Discord following in their footsteps.

[@MrSofazocker]

And that is well within their rights to do so. If you have a product on the shelf of say walmart and target, and you start selling it to Target cheaper, Walmart can sue YOU.

[@JaekSean]

@@MrSofazocker no

[@xxxxxx-yf1uv]

@@MrSofazockerleast obvious millenial baiter

[@cookiecreeperplayz]

@@MrSofazocker There are many things wrong with this statement so I'll just assume it's bait.

[@supermaster2012]

@@MrSofazockerthat's false

[@whitefang5291]

Remember why they didn’t want you to go to court with them? And they force you to accept that in their terms of service? This is why, shit is about to get greedy, fucked and shat on.

[@quelqunderandom6143]

Fun fact: the "you can't bring us to court" clause is worth absolutely nothing (atleast in the EU) as EULAs are considered non binding since they can terminate a license for any reason

[@saiv46]

@@quelqunderandom6143 Same shit in US and basically any other sane country.

[@Elbon-the-Lolinator]

That type of thing is simply to deter people from going after them legally. It doesn't hold up in court.

[@DiscordNinja]

*Don't Translate* सबबिंग टू एवरीवन दैट सब्स टू मी

[@_apsis]

what makes this even worse is guilded is now requiring roblox accounts to access it, which has (i imagine) essentially killed their entire user base, meaning there’s even less alternatives to discord to go to now

[@spookyweebo3496]

What no competition does to a company

[@_tr11]

We really need a discord alternative

[@goofygoober-t8b]

There was guild but Roblox just ruined it because you need a Roblox account to log in

[@cringeopedia]

@@_tr11This.

[@clippygoat]

Just revive skype at this point 💀

[@czarsalad101]

Even with competition both just become lazy with the status quo.

[@reddo3758]

discord really be using the worst corporate yap ive ever seen to try to make this look like a good change 💀💀

[@undefinedCat]

do not pay attention to these uttshit bots

[@gottderneuenwelt]

They weren't like this before

[@dutchyoshi611]

The ultimate fate of any company is becoming a corporation and wanting to go public on the stock market

[@johnnyknadler1157]

@@dutchyoshi611We need to delete the stock market

[@_Gam3r]

chatgpt ahh letter just get to the point already

[@chernobyl169]

Six percent is an OUTRAGEOUS processing fee. VISA charges their biggest customers 2.5%.

[@ramboramb0]

You're comparing companies with 32 billion and 575 milion revenue, also they operate in different fields, so idk how much sense this comparison has

[@RatherDepressedGamer]

​@@ramboramb0Oh no, a negative comparison! Quick! Let's protect the big corpo!

[@Mizuryryn]

​@@ramboramb0🤓

[@ramboramb0]

​@@RatherDepressedGamer I’m not defending large corporations, i’m simply highlighting that the argument lacks coherence. To challenge "big corpos" you need to think analytically and make judgments based on some criteria. Without this you're just complaining without adding anything of value to the discussion; much like a child tantrum, wich is what your comment sound like

[@RatherDepressedGamer]

@@ramboramb0 I'm not complaining, I guess you got me mixed up with someone else. And I disagree with you, they're both big corpos with big loads of shmeckles so. I just don't understand your money knight crusade here.

[@mochithebot]

This news is devastating for small developers like us. We started our project to offer a more affordable, aesthetic alternative to some of the more expensive bots on Discord. We have always wanted to make our bot affordable to everyone, and we want to continue to do that. But, if these fees are imposed on us, it could spell the end for us, because we're barely able to manage as it is. 💔

[@Mr.Brothybear]

What Bot do you make?

[@MrSofazocker]

So.. just so I understand, why do you charge money in the first place? Oh.. right bcs hosting isn't free. But Discord isn't paying anything for hosting and enabling your bot to exist at all... right.. right...

[@kikorpp3690]

@@MrSofazocker Why do you charge money? Because it's a business for some people, not everyone wants to create free and open-source software. Some want to earn money doing it. Hosting is not the only reason why bots have premium features.

[@Daniel-nl3ug]

@@kikorpp3690 They aren't trying to object about people wanting to charge money for using software. They are merely objecting to people objecting about discord charging people. Their point is that the argument "oh no the small bots are going to shut down because they can't get enough funding" also applies to discord to some extent ("oh no if discord doesn't start finding more ways to make money, they will have to shut down!"). The video mentions about how "some bots have very thin profit margins because they have a generous free tier" but the same thing is also kind of true of discord. Overall, I think the commenter is trying to draw attention to the fact that people seem to suddenly have no empathy or understanding for big corporations, when they understand the same principle when applied to smaller groups of people. It may be the case that we should have different concerns for profits for different sized groups of people, but it is also probably the case that people are generally biased towards being very harsh to big corporations.

[@tomasperez5916]

​@@MrSofazocker totally ignoring that discord has nitro and a shop to sustain themselves lol

[@chri-k]

It's worth noting that this price matching condition is not enforceable within the EU, so i wonder how that will play out.

[@erubianwarlord8208]

a lot of bots spontaneously becoming french?

[@beejayxl9018]

​@@erubianwarlord8208 Hell nah I'd rather pay double price rather than source shit from montparnasse I hate that neighborhood IN PARTICULAR.

[@JASOOON]

Hey ntts, I am just sending you this comment to inform you that Discord bots can now be verified as soon as they hit 75 servers. Previously, there were security measures in place to prevent bots from being verified by people who just spam add said bot, but now those measures are no more. I think you should make a video on this.

[@undefinedCat]

ignore the uttshit bots pls

[@JASOOON]

@@undefinedCat bro idek what is going on with these bots xD

[@chaos2232]

Thanks for the correctiob

[@epiconyoutube]

@@undefinedCathonestly if you see utpp spam bots just report it

[@realmanfrfr]

​@@undefinedCatk

[@ars-br1ms]

discord saw ntts praising some of their updates a bit too much so they decided to troll him with a paywall

[@NoTextToSpeech]

My Discord glazing video where I talk about all the helpful stuff they are working on just got pushed back a bit.

[@crystalfox_gamingtm]

@@NoTextToSpeech Glad to hear it!

[@bruhblox_]

@@NoTextToSpeech crazy right

[@alazygamer1032]

​@@NoTextToSpeechupload it as a patreon only just to spite discord

[@SinofGreed-pm1eo]

​@@alazygamer1032 Genuinely made me cackle, thank you lmao

[@snocone_]

this is basically the unity fee thing from like a year ago 😭😭 why dont companies ever learn

[@weirdochristoffel5285]

thats the point they dont

[@starrush1818]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!"

[@baguette4205]

because its much cheaper to extort developers than it is to expand the userbase to get more nitro subscriptions.

[@SunnyKimDev]

It's more like the Apple fee thing (vs. Epic Games) 4 years ago. And Apple came victorious, if you don't remember. Pulling an Unity is ironically one of the loopholes suggested in the video.

[@bonehunter9766]

That was a year ago? Feels like 1 month ago. Time flys...

[@aW5uY25jNzc1Nw]

i miss the old discord where they only added user requested features modern day discord doenst listen to 99% of its users anymore since the logo change :(

[@andreibarbulescu3276]

Yea. The same happened with uber, KZbin, any service. In the beginning its the best app ever, nobody could imagine going back to Skype in this case, they get a huge customer base that cannot do without their service, they also destroy competition, then its time to make some money so they pull the rug from under your feet

[@G7ue]

I remember when Discord first released, my buddy had an issue where he couldn't connect to any VC's, so we contacted support. They gave him an unreleased build, weeks early, because it had a potential fix for his issue, which did end up fixing it. I always really respected Discord for that... But my respect has been quickly dwindling.

[@PrivateLZG]

Companies being driven by investors is the worst thing that can happen to a company.

[@DiscordNinja]

*Don't Translate* सबबिंग टू एवरीवन दैट सब्स टू मी

[@janekilIer]

so many companies like youtube, twitter, reddit, disney, etc are all doing this and it just makes u think "what"

[@chaf1067]

​@@janekilIerhuman greed has scorched millions of people over history and the only thing humanity has learnt is to be more passive about it

[@drm.himself]

Cry some more, all of you​@@chaf1067

[@kazangreat8837]

the worst example is spotify its not even free streaming anymore you can just maybe listen to the song you want

[@some_arrow_guy]

developer: yes im gonna make a bot discord: im taking it

[@simosandboifan989]

xd

[@muhammadlatifbinmuhammadju2027]

lol 69th like

[@iamfood69420]

true…

[@vit05ana35]

@@begula3083 report it and dont give it attention

[@7Kazi7]

You are a bot clearly, cause the vid was about money being stolen not the bots

[@ichigorei]

New Update: "You've reached the daily limit of chats for the day, to chat unlimitedly: pay us $10 a month!"

[@NoTextToSpeech]

People might go outside for once, this will be a great update if it happens.

[@Sussybakaongong]

Imagine they add a cooldown to direct messaging unless you have nitro

[@ravagezofficial]

Guys stfu stop giving discord shitty ideas

[@RipR-Games]

2030 updates 💀

[@RipR-Games]

@@Sussybakaongong I could soooo see this and yk discord would just fall off and a new company would arise they've already pushed us if they go further they finna go under lol

[@AdventureFrontier]

Discord developers are feeling screwed over. We're providing value and functionality to their platform for no cost, with the only compensation being funds we make ourselves with our creation, and for some reason now they feel justified in taking 10x an average payment fee, it's absolutely disgusting

[@alve6141]

It's messed up, the higher ups at discord are truly souless people with greed in their eye

[@MrChuw]

It's ridiculous that people really want a "Discord Enterprise" with more security and admin controls like Teams and Slack have. Discord could make a lot of money from these enterprise clients, but instead, they keep screwing over the average user.

[@Melichorak]

Average user is developing a bot? Wow, didn't know that.

[@10tative]

I remember reporting a server which was selling child porn to discord, and A YEAR LATER discord responded. Discord is the absolute worst platform I’ve ever seen

[@nox_luna]

whats wrong with pizza? im confused (for future readers, op tried to hide a phrase as "cheese pizza" and then edited it)

[@Zonic3451]

@@nox_luna Take the first letter of the words "Cheese Pizza" and put them together.

[@kamikadze5058]

@@nox_luna Think he means child corn

[@remainreva8683]

​@@kamikadze5058bros not gonna sugar coat it 💀💀💀💀💀

[@Sadjhj]

lol I was confused until the replies showed

[@yaemma8803]

Gota love when companies change their terms of service for no reason at all with no opt out. I'm gonna change my terms and conditions too: I'll send them an email detailing that my TOS have changed and i'll start using fake nitro from vencord. By accepting my email they've automatically agreed to my TOS and in order to file a dispute discord needs to send me a letter weighing exactly 6.9 gramms by tomorrow that contains an 12 instances of the word "scam" printed in my favourite shade of green, sent from an address in north korea. Failure to do so constitutes as acceptance of my new TOS

[@Dr.Arin.]

Did you grab this comment from somewhere? I saw a similar comment on Louis Rossmann's channel. Or maybe this is a trend..

[@bmz4]

@@Dr.Arin. you're right, its the one that rossmann posted on his community posts. i guess its now copypasta worthy

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@bmz4 North Korea about to become new postal capital it seems. So many letters to send...

[@MrSofazocker]

No opt-out? You didn't find the "Close DIscord" button yet?

[@MasquedMocha]

@@MrSofazocker brother why are you defending discord

[@worty32]

why every company is ruining their apps😔

[@maryo8039]

They listen to board members and investors instead of the people their actions affect. Money to put it simply

[@rorycannon7295]

profit.

[@gramfero]

maximizing shareholder value aka doing anything to get more money, including unethical and illegal

[@carlitos1921]

@@gramfero hey its not illegal they find loopholes

[@xGOKOPx]

@@maryo8039 The problem is they can't stop listening to board members and investors or they'll stop existing

[@23paingel]

Isn't this verging on a monopoly lawsuit? Forcing people to use your platform to sell their service seems illegal.

[@wowthisisaname]

well take the exemple of epic game removing the v-bux buying from apple's app to counter the apple fee so yeah probably illegal

[@ALmaN11223344]

It wouldn't be a monopoly so much as anti-competitive if it has any traction to it, and it's easier for Discord to defend its position seeing as the "features" that are being developed for "free" cost them money in the form of hosting, bandwidth, and other platform fees. It's bad for consumers.

[@gasad01374]

Forcing them to sell their service that exclusively works on discord on discord?

[@23paingel]

@@gasad01374 well I'm leaning more towards the "must be the same price as offered elsewhere" bit. This seems like a similar case with Apple v Epic with discord toeing the lines of anti competitive laws. The differences in this case are vastly different though. Discord isn't an application store, it is an application trying to implement an integrated app store. Also forcing the prices to be the lowest offered price, even after discounts, seems like it would fall under the same thing within the Apple case where they were found to be breaking anticompetitive laws with their anti-steering methods.

[@moonrabbit3228]

ooooh so that's why they had you auto opt-in to the "you can't sue us" arbitration clause. Now the bot devs can't sue.

[@SMSunFlame]

As a developer, I’ve been iffy on each update especially during the times I’ve seen each update in the developer server. I rather use a third party website instead. I’ve just hated the new updates, discord has been plummeting down the moment I seen the “apps directory” update being added. Honestly I would just keep using third party sites or completely make my own domain.

[@undefinedCat]

ignore the bots, report them to oblivion Edit: the bots were removed, yay

[@ramennight]

What some third party stuff you recommend?

[@GamextraMC]

Honestly I don't blame Discord for this. These greedy bot developers have been leeching off of their servers to make money. It's like someone living in your house and not bothering to help pay the rent. Dank Memer bot is complaining like they don't charge users for premium crap lol

[@kiyu3229]

@@GamextraMC well they worked to make the bot ? arent they allowed to ask for some money ? i would understand you if there wasent a free tier or something like that but most bot have an **optional** free tier

[@lesliesdaughter]

​@@GamextraMC from my knowledge they really dont take up a large portion of the servers? its just the same as a regular discord user i'd assume, these bots are required to be hosted on their own servers

[@mohammedgoder]

There is a legal loophole: You could charge the same amount on discord and on your own site but have a credit added for users that pay through your site.

[@tumultoustortellini]

You mean, they either pay higher on discord to offset personal pilfering by discord, or purchase on a third-party site where it's cheaper? That's smart, you should spread that idea around.

[@mohammedgoder]

@@tumultoustortellini It's a grey area.

[@MrSofazocker]

Nope, the subscriptions have to include the SAME features. "+ Plus 2 months free only if you buy on our website to side-step paying the platform enabling us to even exist" Is not a loophole.

[@WoolyCow]

@@MrSofazocker the features are the same, you don't get 'an extra 2 months' you could just get 'loyalty points', which have nothing to do with your bot and should be fine. these are redeemable as credit on future purchases, which just so happens to have the same impact as a discount... or if that is a stretch too far, simply entering the website gives you the points which are redeemable for credit. this sorta stuff is used all the time (usually by bad actors lol), but if it works for them it should hold up until a better loophole is found

[@mohammedgoder]

@@MrSofazocker Anti-trust laws disagree.

[@ASXSFS]

There needs to be a replacement for discord, its insane that they keep getting away with this...

[@sindreemurr2510]

Yeah I agree

[@vast9467]

every alternative has failed sadly, it’s not like people don’t try

[@ArtByAhri]

yeah. it’s just budget tbh, and discord is already too known so even if something better comes. people will just use discord cause yes. even if the other app offers more for free.

[@lajawi.]

Matrix!

[@ramennight]

Its kind of like youtube. Its got so much momentum its going to take a lot more self sabotage for it to slow down enough for a competitor to have a chance.

[@Zencep]

Passed on that $0.45 to $1.50 issue. Think about that same $5 bot. If you have 10k premium users that's $50,000 a month you're grossing. After Stripe fees that's $45,500. So in theory you'd be bringing in $546k a year which can be used to pay server bills, pay your server moderators, pay your support staff, etc. Discord fees leave you with $35,000 which brings your yearly down to $420k after payment fees. You're LOSING $126k a year to Discord fees. That's the salary of good developer, or a couple support staff if you're paying them each $60k USD. Discord is impacting people's jobs. I don't think Discord forcing bot devs to offer their premium options on the platform is that bad. I think the problem is price matching it, restricting ability to have "price match" style discount codes, and all the "forced" hands around it. I think having an in app option for purchasing is really useful for some smaller devs to take the load of them of implementing a checkout flow or a subscription flow. No matter if it's through Stripe, Patreon, etc. I think that there's real value to it...but forcing us devs into a model that we can not work around is problematic...

[@toriiibby]

holy REAL ZENCEP??????

[@SheepieAnimations]

well said, i have to agree with everything u stated

[@berni1212]

Not only that you will lose a good Point of people using the bots premium features too special if they are on mobile because they say Fuck this because of the Fees getting added to them. Imagine you need nitro premium because you run a Big Community but are forced to make the payments only via discord and have to pay the Apple cut too Not only that its not really 420K too because you need to add the Taxes too it.

[@Zencep]

@@berni1212 I ignored the taxes part simply because not everyone is in the same country and that will apply differently. If you account for taxes and are a solo or small team project you could actually lower your taxable income with this change, but you could also lower that income with you know...workers....

[@Zencep]

@@toriiibby REAL TORI?

[@7inlinlinlin]

how are they still getting away with this stuff man

[@SyncronedStuff]

"Discord is absolutely disgusting" Yeah, and Water is wet

[@Catrophie-tg4ru]

Yoo, water isnt wet buddy... use something like "fire is hot"

[@SyncronedStuff]

@@Catrophie-tg4ru You get the point bre

[@Rowanthecartoon]

​@@SyncronedStuff Your saying discord *isn't* disgusting? Cuz if so I agree. Unless they add a barf theme they don't look disgusting. Money hungry however? That is an obvious yes

[@SyncronedStuff]

@@Rowanthecartoon I'm not saying they look disgusting. I'm saying they are. From their practices to their greed.

[@GamextraMC]

@@SyncronedStuff I love how he put Dank Memer complaining lol, like they don't charge users for premium stuff, some of these bots deserve it honestly, they've been leeching off of discord's servers to make money. At the end of the day, it's Discord's servers, they make the rules. If these developers don't like it, they can create their own domain.

[@TheDarkKing-2007]

And this is how the war between Discord and bot developers began.

[@RTOmega]

Long ago, Nitro Users, Free Users, Bot Devs and Discord lived together in harmony. But everything changed when Discord attacked.

[@InfluXse]

*deltarune the legend plays*

[@realPurpleOrb]

​@@InfluXsewrong game

[@rydergolde3169]

@@RTOmega everything changed when the investors attacked

[@Will_TDS]

developer: after all these years, i have finally made a bot which has every single feature that a server owner could ask for! this bot will surely revolutionise discord and make me lots of mone- discord: money?

[@DiscordNinja]

*Don't Translate* सबबिंग टू एवरीवन दैट सब्स टू मी

[@jazzydan101]

Their margins are high, but I’m not sure how much lower they could be. Given that we’re literally developing on top of their platform, utilizing features they build and servers they run; I don’t expect it to be free. I agree that Discord's approach to this is bad; a rug pull is never a good idea, but I’m also curious about what you all think should happen. I think tighter integration of bots under Discord makes the most sense in this case. It’s not reasonable to expect them to waste money on devs and servers for us to build bots that we then monetize without giving Discord a cut. It's also likely a security thing; if people get scammed, data gets leaked, or anything goes wrong with a bot on Discord, most of the blame would be on Discord, so aggregating things in their platform means they have much less risk and more control. In my opinion, the problem is the current system where things are free and then not, and where paying customers subsidize free ones. This means no one gets a fair deal and in the end, feels ripped off when either a feature they love gets paywalled or prices are increased. They do this to acquire market share… but I don’t like it, and I don’t think how we should build companies. I do like Discord; they make awesome products, and I want to see them succeed. I just hope they can do so in a way that doesn’t ‘enshitify’ the product.

[@lychezr]

companies are in their money farming arc rn, everything you see now costs money

[@lakakarel]

Big companies trying not to be money hungry challenge :

[@AngelRhythmOfficial]

level impossible

[@RipR-Games]

(Impossible level)

[@rydergolde3169]

only one on the leaderboard: Steam I'd heard somewhere that Steam doesn't have public trading so doesn't have to bend over for investors

[@zenpy_]

​@@rydergolde3169Valve who made steam invented loot boxes lol.

[@iluvpandas2755]

@rydergolde3169 It is not on the stock market. So instead of being forced to make stock go 📈 for shareholders Gaben is able to think long term ( AKA keeping steam’s userbase around.)

[@sh3e.muslim]

yk its bad when ntts says discord is disgusting💀

[@HauntedAlaskan]

Discord releasing an absolute dumpster fire of an update as always 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@billyhatcher643]

I have a feeling discord won't last much longer

[@victoralexandervinkenes9193]

​@@billyhatcher643 Imagine if Reddit decides to add Discord's features to their website and apps...

[@flamm.e]

@@billyhatcher643 discord's cooked

[@happyskittle286]

@@billyhatcher643 its a huge corporation, it'll last decades.

[@katranian]

​@@happyskittle286not if people start quitting

[@pyro4817]

"D-Daddy Discord, c-could we have our money? 🥺" "no"

[@ДианаВ-ъ1э]

If a user charges back their purchase, developers also need to pay $15 charge back fee PER USER. If 100 users charge back, you didn't just lose $300 but you're also $1500 in debt with Discord.

[@leolionross]

This sounds a lot like another company I have heard of...

[@gray_ggk]

Meta?

[@user-er1fs3je4x]

​@@gray_ggkNah, 🍎

[@NedjouaMario]

ea mate

[@InkChara]

Pixel Gun 3D

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

Meta and Apple smt smt epic games. Seeing a pattern here

[@daniellemurnett2534]

Discord is planning to go publicly traded? Hoo boy I gotta get cracking on finding a viable alternative to my entire online social existence

[@Blood-PawWerewolf]

Yup. They’ve been planning on going public for a year or so now

[@MasicoreLord]

...and the enshitification won't stop after IPO, it'd only accelerate.

[@tumultoustortellini]

They weren't public owned this entire time? And they were that greedy already? We may have an EA/Blizzard competitor for worst company in a couple of years

[@daniellemurnett2534]

@@Blood-PawWerewolf You know there's a good chance I would've known this if I was still on reddit but ironically enough I deleted my account when _they_ announced they're going publically traded.

[@daniellemurnett2534]

@@MasicoreLord Well yes, that's a given.

[@droidtheawesome]

Next update: "To send a message, please pay us a 30% cut of your paycheck!"

[@thripnixe]

Google with search, Microsoft with recall, Adobe with creators and now Discord with devolopers, as saying "somethings never change!"

[@beejayxl9018]

Microsoft is basically the most angelic one out of all the devils. Google sells data, Adobe and Discord are greedy... Microsoft just gives remote access to your computer to the authorities if and when required.

[@papascronch]

Somebody should make a competitor, I get the feeling that discord is probably pretty easy to kill if somebody tries.

[@magusperde365]

5 FUCKING YEARS SINCE THRY WERE SUPPOSED TO FIX SCREENSHARING WITH SOUND ON LINUX BUT THEY ARE TOO BUSY DOING THAT SHIT

[@xeranok]

it's been so long the community fixed it first lmao

[@magusperde365]

@@xeranok yeah but if you use the workarounds the quality of your mic gets worst

[@Lampe2020]

@@magusperde365 Have you ever tried WebCord? That can share the screen on Linux _with audio_ and that even _on Wayland_ .

[@xeranok]

@@magusperde365 vesktop doesn't do that as far as I can tell

[@sprengar]

Vesktop has been serving me pretty well.

[@AlexLexusOfficial]

At this point MEE6 and Discord should just form a villian arc, both of them are more hurrendous than e-girl Discord servers.

[@Technomancer441]

There's so many loopholes, because like with almost everything discord does, it's not exactly well thought out. Also, I'm a bot dev, and for a few years now I've had the feeling that Discord just really does not like bot devs, especially after the whole slash commands/verification restrictions debacle which burned a lot of bridges, it feels like they WANT to cull the herd a little.

[@Rot8erConeX]

Yeah, I ran a relatively successful bot (in somewhere like 2200 servers, about 3x as much as its direct competition) until about a year and a half ago. I was fine with the verification stuff that started this, but then they began dropping support for a lot of the features I used to make my bot's responses look nice, while all but forcing slash commands on us - which IIRC would've killed more than half of the under-the-hood features that made my bot's input system super user friendly. I was still considering it - after all, my bot was being used by a lot of people, not a good idea to leave a power vacuum - but then I actually calculated how long it would take me to update to meet these terms, and I decided I wanted a social life for the next year and a half. So I looked at the similar bots in my niche that had already updated to the new API due to having started more recently than I, decided which one had the most user friendly input system, and then spent the last month of my bot's life advertising it as my successor. I never did payment plans - due to where I live, my income is limited - but I did at one point accept donations in the form of Amazon gift cards so I could replace a dying laptop and keep my bot running (not being direct money, it was a loophole directly suggested by the staff of the building I live in). And I did provide (cosmetic) perks to the users who donated. And I'm willing to bet, under Discord's new ToS, those would count as one-time premium app memberships.

[@MrSofazocker]

​@@Rot8erConeX "BotDev" says a lot here. Also "removed features I used to make my bots responses look nice"... what did they remove? You may not seem to fathom it, but sending every and all messages to your bot is more resource intensive than an RPC, which is what slashcommands are based on. Also hearing that a bot supposedly was on 2200 servers and was supposedly running on a dying laptop, makes me either think you are cap, or really worries me of how much bot devs are milking Discord being free access to money. Also, 1 time donations aren't covered in ToS. And Giving your users privileges such as "Perks" or "Cosmetics" as you call them are two entirely seperate things. Which yes, Discord now requires you to add as one-time puchases.

[@Rot8erConeX]

@@MrSofazocker "what did they remove?" By tying the description for a slash command to its `help` counterpart, they removed the ability for me to make the `help` command actually look nice, and *also* removed the ability for the top-level `help` command to actually be more useful than just listing every command name with no information. These both were because I was no longer able to write my own special exception to the `help` command, and it would therefore only work with default behavior. Not quite in line with the "look nice" part, but they *also* limited the number of slash commands a bot could have to...IIRC it was 50? My bot had something like 83 commands, and many of them had multiple aliases because they were tied to game mechanics that had no official name and thus I included many fan names at once. "You may not seem to fathom it, but sending every and all messages to your bot is more resource intensive than an RPC, which is what slashcommands are based on." And yet, somehow, only the messages that either pinged my bot directly, or included the bot's command prefix, actually show up in the command window that I used to echo comments in case I needed to recreate an error. I don't doubt that slash commands are less resource intensive, but they also directly limit the ways in which the inputs could be given (since now there are distinct fields that inputs must be placed in, and one field does not spawn unless the previous field is filled). That can be fine if you're working with things that always come in exact orders (such as US addresses) but it sucks if you run a bot that displays stats of characters which may have any number of buffs applied in any possible arrangements (maybe they have a rally buff but no dragonflowers, maybe they have dragonflowers but no rally buff, maybe they have neither of those but are merged, etc.) Sometimes, resources must be sacrificed in order for users to not feel overwhelmed. "Also hearing that a bot supposedly was on 2200 servers and was supposedly running on a dying laptop, makes me either think you are cap, or really worries me of how much bot devs are milking Discord being free access to money." Ahh, then it might make you glad to know that in the entire five-year run of my bot, that particular issue only lasted a month. But it was a very stressful month. Also, did you not read the part about me literally accepting Amazon gift cards because I couldn't get money due to where I lived? And if you think that's so ridiculous that it's proof that I'm "cap", maybe you should look into the laws regarding Assisted Living Facilities and disability assistance in the US, and how they limit the residents' income. (I *like* where I live, due to my disabilities I'm not dealing with soul-draining work like many others my age, and I did bot dev mostly to occupy my mind, but qualifying for living here by qualifying for SSI means that I'm limited to having $2k *total* in my bank account). "Also, 1 time donations aren't covered in ToS." The text on screen at 11:41 begs to differ. Monthly and one-time purchases are currently covered, and yearly purchases are upcoming. My point was, that people were donating to me without knowing that there would be perks. They just knew that my laptop battery was dying and this was making the bot slow, and I needed to replace it before it outright died. Heck, I wasn't even originally planning on accepting donations! I was so scared of running into the additional income clause that my original plan was to just repurpose the money I'd been saving up over the prior year for a Switch. But then a friend was like "here's this Amazon gift card, please thank me for it using your bot dev account so that people get the idea to donate to you. You've been offering this service for free for two years at this point, please accept compensation." So I checked with the staff where I lived to make sure it was allowed, and yep. Gift cards are fine because they're not legal tender. But at the same time, people started donating amounts to me that felt...significant. It felt wrong not to provide them perks. I already had the bot change its avatar to my favorite character in the game on my birthday and to relevant characters on certain holidays, why not include donors' birthdays as well? However, with Discord's new system, the mere fact that I did something like that, would count as a one-time purchase rather than a donation. If you legitimately do not believe that I was a bot developer, look up the Twitter account EliseBotDev, and then switch to the media tab. You should notice that any screenshot of Discord includes a bot command being sent by someone with the same username and icon as I have here on KZbin. If you then look up that account on Discord (which may or may not be possible, I don't know if my privacy settings make me unsearchable), you will find that not only am I a verified bot developer, I'm an EARLY verified bot developer, which means I made a bot that qualified for verification status before verification was even a thing.

[@terrorist_nousagi8747]

@@MrSofazocker How does that boot taste? Btw, you've never made a website I can see, a normal website can read a lot of messages server side and never having a problem, I ran one with ngrok on a Raspberry Pi and the 2000000 free requests were easily seen and served in 3 days of activity, animations and all

[@Meowserz.]

As a developer for bots on discord i knew something was up when they sent us a system message updating the TOS about a week ago

[@SheepieAnimations]

same bro same

[@CEmpty2044]

I Think the best and safest way to go for is Usage based pricing its a win situation since you can avoid their scam and also a win for users since they pay less if they only have smaller servers.

[@ThDynamicGamer]

"Forced to give discord a fee, why? because f### you, we are discord and we want ur money f### you again" Lmao 😂

[@Lrexxx10]

The Dyno bot has been offline for like 8 hours btw and the site doesnt work at all so this means a lot of servers lost their main moderation bot (update: i already found out)

[@NoTextToSpeech]

If you look at their support server, just a major outage. Not some weird protest.

[@Ghost-fc9hw]

If you're wondering why, how about you join the support server and see the reason that most of the shards are down

[@Lrexxx10]

@@Ghost-fc9hw I looked at the subreddit instead but the timing of the whole bot money thing made me suspicious considering iver never seen the dyno bot specifically being offline

[@abyssangel76]

nah, discord is such a greddy company now and it will die after they go public

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Companies speedrunning going public and then dying: (they really want that cash, fuck the company existence and sustainability)

[@Daniel_VolumeDown]

Well you can say that they are greedy, but in fact they probably don't have sustainable monetization methods. If I am not wrong discord got a lot of money because they got investors but thair income from buying nitro or other stuff in itself do not give them enough money. My knowledge is from some yt video so it might not be fully true or things might have chnged since then. To be clear: I am not saying that enforcing their payment options and price equality is a thing that they should do.

[@Br3ttM]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 What I don't get is the people _buying_ that stock, when it seems like this is becoming an obvious pattern. I guess they're a lot more optimistic and less skeptical than me, assuming they'll be the ones to get rich from buying tech stock, not the ones losing it when the company falls apart.

[@Brawaru]

Has Reddit died yet?

[@AVeryFancyPigeon]

13:28 mwa to you too

[@Cold_Blood_Killaz]

As someone who is a bot dev, I can say I fucking hate this update, this update is the worst for me and the community, discord needs to get their mind right or everyone is gonna start not using their platform and it’s gone for good. -cbk

[@amental-illness]

ntts saying "fuck you" 5 times in a row really explains the whole video.

[@thatoddshade]

I like the letter F because it spells "folk" and "Fr*nch" which are two words that describe things I both hate and am.

[@happyskittle286]

@@thatoddshade why did you censor French

[@spiritedparkour]

@@happyskittle286 search it up its "a slur"

[@arandomguy9669]

​@@happyskittle286'course it's a bad word

[@itzleirb8371]

if you think about it for more than half a second, any big discord bot could potentially ddos discord easily and/or ruin lots of servers, thus lowering the value of discord.

[@iamepick1]

Gotta wait till it goes public :3

[@JaiDoesVideos]

Ohhh yeahhhh

[@thisisjuleka6027]

Another reminder that no matter what company, if big enough theyll always turn to mega greed and unobtainable goals

[@MrSofazocker]

Aha.. so hosting and renting computers and foot the bill to enable other people to make money is such as sustainable business venture... get real.

[@Virtual_Garbage]

maybe mee6's absurd prices and locked premium features were just them getting ready for this day, they warned us.

[@Better_Bread]

My favourite part is seeing how the companies twist these ‘additions’ to make it seem like they’re actually making stuff better

[@Poot-da-doot]

I haven’t used discord for over 2 years now, but I still like watching this channel to see what I’m NOT missing out on. Thank you, NTTS!

[@AhamkaraMommy]

"Subscribe to Patreon instead of Subscribing to Discord! You will get ONE picture of my dog from 2019, and as a bonus we're now offering a Discord Bot!"

[@xe5vu]

That april fools lootbox joke was them seeing how far they could actually take it

[@ennard9638]

Average company nowdays trying not to make a useless update that no one asked for challenge impossible

[@DiscordNinja]

*Don't Translate* सबबिंग टू एवरीवन दैट सब्स टू मी

[@thastayapongsak4422]

You're wrong. The investors asked for this, more profit.

[@ennard9638]

@@thastayapongsak4422 ah yes because the 99% of people who use discord are investors

[@ennard9638]

@@thastayapongsak4422 aah yes because 99% of people who use discord are investors

[@CopperBoy_tv]

4:40 most of the game company .....

[@kilkilmaster]

Developer: I'm gonna make a GREAT bot! Discord: Sharing is caring!

[@TNTKirby]

4:33 lmao, sums everything up.

[@pitust]

10:55 You could also make your donations go to a nonprofit that you control of which the sole goal is to run a discord bot and pay its employees 100% of the money it makes.

[@NoTextToSpeech]

The headache and potential costs with doing all of that could be a lot more than just sending 1 cent to some random charity.

[@EpicMiniMeatwad]

Employee count: 1

[@iamepick1]

Yes but funy ​@@NoTextToSpeech

[@kookster]

I heard that steam is getting sued about the forcing fees globally just like this. Discord might be under the crosshairs next.

[@dannyball710]

Assuming there are 10,000 Discord servers using the bot, with a conversion rate of 0.5% and an average spending of $10 USD. Initially, the cost is 10%, but after the update, it will be 25% (including a 20% platform fee). Initial revenue: $450 USD Updated revenue: $350 USD The conversion rate only needs to increase by 0.15% for the revenue to break even. However, the update will make payments significantly easier, so I believe that increasing the conversion rate by 0.15% is very achievable. For the bot developer, this will have almost no impact, and the revenue might even increase. The additional platform fee can also contribute to better development for Discord.

[@strajkz]

Stopped developing my bot which was in over a million guilds 4 years ago because I saw where this was heading and I wasn't enjoying developing it anymore due to this.

[@AlexLexusOfficial]

Next update after Nitro-only slash commands: "Sending attachments function is only available with Nitro!"

[@JustPlayerDE]

so if i make a bot and sell premium features i literally have to give discord 50% (or maybe more depending on mobile fees) of the payment to discord thats worse than paying taxes

[@user-un8hy5dd3j]

you also have to pay taxes on it (probably, idk actually)

[@FFNUser]

36% procent actually, 30% (Apple cut) is people paying that buying your product

[@shieldphaser]

@@FFNUser But that's effectively equivalent to a price hike. If the price goes up, fewer people buy the product so the revenue goes down more, forcing yet more price hikes. It's a rather well-known death spiral, I'd think.

[@defaultsplace1348]

Spent the last year making a massive bot that would help the game server hosting scene and now all of that work is for nothing. Thanks Discord.

[@typhonicussr]

a loophole to use is through donations, it's not a premium tier if it's just a gift for your generous 7.99$/mo donation

[@kippx.]

thank you so much ntts for changing the pitch of the discord notification so your viewers dont go crazy thinking they got ghost pinged

[@nikkis1173]

2:15 is typical tencent moment Please don’t give money to tencent 😭

[@Blood-PawWerewolf]

Ironic that all of the terrible decisions by tech and gaming companies have a tie to Tencent in one way or another? Oh and that Tencent is loosing so much money after the CCP cracked down on gaming and hurt Tencent financially

[@lukehenderson4814]

This might actually be pressure from Apple to route Discord's payments directly through the mobile app. Although apps are _technically_ allowed to steer users outside of the app itself to make purchases (either inadvertently or intentionally sidestepping the 30% App Store fee), iirc they have to go through a request process with Apple to get approved for that. And even if they do get approved, they still have to _allow_ payments through the app itself. Because it doesn't seem to me that Discord is _prohibiting_ you from taking payments outside of Discord (only requiring that you make the option available to users), it is possible that they were just accused by Apple of circumventing the App Store ToS by allowing third parties to sell services through their app that don't have the option to go through Apple, and they just didn't think about how bad the optics would be with their existing high fees.

[@Johncw87]

Any publicly traded company (and those who seek to be publicly traded) should never be given the benefit of the doubt. Once they go public, they are beholden to the whims of The Investors, the greediest entity mankind has ever known. Always assume the worst of them, you will be right 95% of the time.

[@unowenwasholo]

The issue that hues this whole update is Discord forcing the same prices off platform, so I can’t offer you any kind of discounts or reduced pricing for trusting me and going directly through my service. If that were the case, I could just increase Discord prices by their fee and all I’d have to complain about them forcing me to use their currently incomplete platform. We could make all kinds of justifications and comparisons for most everything else, but that’s broadly accepted as predatory behavior.

[@The_DreadStorm]

And people wonder why I don't use Discord for ANYTHING. Been seeing this coming for years.

[@ihuboo6244]

as a person that basically lives on the opposite side of the spectrum where I live without any subscriptions and just use it as a normal messaging app, Im not totally surprised how this is happening cuz the concept itself is alien to me and never sounded good to me in the first place. Subscriptions for basically any mainstream service is already scummy and trying to milk you out of your money. Then again, please enlighten me how you use these subscriptions for your daily life and what makes it so important because Im totally happy to learn what bots you use and perhaps it might sound productive.

[@steampunkWizardStudios]

As a developer who has used Stripe (a very well-trusted payment processor) in my projects, I can say that I make way more money than what Discord is offering. I am seriously considering moving my applications away from Discord whenever an opportunity presents itself.

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

We're gonna see a lot more unofficial/non verified bots now i guess

[@Itouchnograss]

When discord adds the annual option just make people buy 2 month subscriptions

[@shieldphaser]

Or weekly subscriptions, or any number of other options. Discord will not implement custom ranges, so you can just keep loopholing in increasingly weird billing periods.

[@olivezz]

Honestly, I don't mind this update since Discord is not making a profit. The moment Discord stops getting more investors, they're screwed since they are only using investors' money. It's a very risky business model and also one of the reasons why Discord has close to none competition.

[@sthenios7026]

It's insane bot owners can actually earn money on discord. I wouldn't have expected anybody to pay for that. Let alone 1mil$.

[@EnBunk]

A naked man fears no pickpocket.

[@UYT-Guy]

this guy posted this e v e r y w h e r e i swear

[@xxtarz]

Cool! Less ways to buy bot subs in my country, where billing is disabled! Surely this is gonna give more profits to bot developers.

[@kaizz234]

dev: Thought of a original idea discord: mine now

[@jordanmancini]

So platform fee of 15-30% + 6% desktop/browser fee = 0 competition in the bot space because new bots either have to offer something completely new that the big established bots dont, or have to do one or more things better than the big established bots. If the bot is made by more than one person and they're trying to get adoption to the point that they can make it a viable business, they probably won't be able to make enough to subsidize the hosting costs if it's hosted on any cloud provider. Honestly just a bad change all around, and on one hand it makes me glad that I chose to make my bot entirely freeware but also removes the option for me to switch to premium feature plans in the future if I decide that it is worth pursuing for subsidized hosting costs.

[@pixels_per_minute]

You know it's bad when the best way to use Discord is to ignore 90% of its features. I pray for the day we get a simple replacement with a strong, basic foundation and plugin/bot integration.

[@CyberMinerCrafting]

This video definitely gives me Louis Rossman vibes, keep it up!

[@FredDoesStuff0423]

The one question I have is why you would pay money for...truth or dare.

[@whimsicalchronicles8798]

prob NSFW stuff

[@Blahaj_IKEA]

1) Double price 2) add promo codes to website 3) at checkout, a big ass box with text that says use promo code [whatever the code is] 4) everyone gets 50% off and as such, normal price

[@berni1212]

at a final price that is no higher than as offered through other payment options." Guidlines. You can't add Discount because of guidelines.

[@Blahaj_IKEA]

@@berni1212 fucking generic wording making this harder to exploit

[@OfficialKenTech]

this is terrible ngl cause discord bot developers have to pay for servers to host their bot and now they have to raise their prices and much people probably won't buy the subscriptions anymore cause the bots subscription price was raised so a lot of small developers have to probably shutdown their bots

[@Natewd]

Due to discord only supporting monthly and potentially yearly subscriptions I wonder if you could just create custom interval subscriptions where the user provides how many days/weeks/months a billing cycle will last for which would probably never be supported by discord directly.

[@p.namv2437]

bro is mad fr this time

[@vilian9185]

making your business completely around other company is so stupid lmao

[@quietq1631]

Discord is doing anything it can to take your money

[@scottoknows]

I’ll never understand why companies think that actively sabotaging and making their products worse will make them more money.

[@dk_boyblue]

Ensh*ttification as a term is everywhere but MAN, did it ever accelerate beyond my wildest expectations. Now it starts as soon as an app or platform takes off