Discord Lost Their Only Competitor… Guilded

[@NoTextToSpeech]

Correction: Sony's stock price drop had to do with Sony offering to purchase Paramount for $26b when it's cash reserves were around $9b, dropping the stock price due to cash reserve concerns. What does this mean for this video: The helldiver's 2 scenario was not the driving force behind the stock dip.

[@afktricky]

oh

[@BlueMario5192]

ok

[@jitz_h]

poopie pants

[@nm_9_]

Very cool now please unban me from your server

[@raiisleep]

it is cash reserves?

[@CryptidBuddy]

I’ve heard this a million times. Giant corporation gets involved “no we won’t mess anything up” and then they proceed to ruin everything. Sigh.

[@Pixiuchu]

Due to talking about the big speedrun website I bet my previous message will be deleted because it accidentally contained a URL. Big speedrun website bought by ELO, they said there wont be paid features and a year later there were paid features. Edit: lol yep the comment got deleted automatically. whoops.

[@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe]

If you think selling the platform to a big company wasn't the plan of Guilded then you have no idea how IT infrastructure or money works.

[@Pixiuchu]

Both of my comments are gone yet I'm getting notifications. I hate KZbin. All I'm doing is talking about how Elo did the same thing with a certain speedrunning community. But that's enough to flag my comments and delete them. Thanks KZbin.

[@adultgimb]

@@Pixiuchu yeah happened to me it was a mad rambling but still it was harmless wasn't attacking any party but youtube saw as something i guess

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

Yea that happened to VMware and Minecraft too

[@Mikoyan_Felon]

The problem with all free services is that they are not sustainable. When they blow up, investors will immediately show up and throw loads of money at the project, when the hype dies down and profits decrease, these investors start pressuring the owners of said project to make more revenue-driven choices, leading to the projects decline. It's a tale as old as time Edit: I have corrected it now guys

[@captainhydrodus4616]

Remember when website hosting was as simple as "do you own one of them fangled personal computers?"?

[@jakehayes3466]

A tale as old as capitalism*, which is not as old as time

[@PireTheOtamot]

wikipedia:

[@alex-jp7vq]

@@PireTheOtamot wikipedia is sustainable due to grants from NGOs and donation campaings (theyre running one right now) which raises them enough to comfortably support wikipedia and tons of other stuff

[@kzmatr]

@@alex-jp7vq also it's supported by insane contributors and some unpaid moderators

[@christocream]

Being a contracted roblox creator for years whenever they promise something just expect the most half assed final product. Roblox constantly crashes their own stocks from being delusional and out of touch. They been forcing guilded on us and block everything they can on discord since they bought it. You are already able to link your roblox profile so this update makes no sense

[@RandomAnthem]

hello christocream. i agree as well, why in the world would they need a roblox account just to do it. people can just put roblox accounts and never use it at all. no point for this requirement at all.

[@karmaspcs]

Able yes BUT it was never necessary

[@damanwithoutbrain2371]

It’s crazy cause Roblox is a multi billion dollar company and they can’t make a good project?

[@dessirangelova2676]

Multi millionaire? Roblox loses more money than they gain. Roblox is completely reliant on old people giving them money which is why roblox is so out of touch now. ​@@damanwithoutbrain2371

[@EagleV4]

roblox bedwars!

[@DogooSlayer]

Corporations try not to fuck up everything challenge (impossible)

[@breadofish]

@UTTPJimmyKimmelTouch grass

[@trphoenix_.]

corporations trying to not cause bad things or f*ck around every 0.1 milliseconds ( impossible )

[@Maaar10Avali]

I have little to no hope for modern society

[@Warp2090]

its owned by roblox, a kids lego game, what did u expect

[@melogavenue]

It’s funny how this may actually be the one challenge in the world that is impossible.

[@popofisto]

There was a major court case that set the percipient for this type of stuff. It's Dodge v Ford, and it was back during 1919. It basically made it so any publicly traded company MUST operate in the interest of shareholders, instead of operating for the benefit of employees or customers. It's why so many companies make these terrible decisions. And despite how anti consumer the law is and how many people are against it, it will likely be impossible for it to be appealed due to lobbying.

[@ricktheweeb5382]

that explains ALOT with current shit going on and honestly it sucks so bad that some companies do actually care but cant really do shit

[@mummyhugo]

No wonder the public companies suck

[@SomeDudeCauseYes]

don't have shareholders, if they try to give bullshitty ideas, say NO and fire them.

[@iamthehype3684]

​@@SomeDudeCauseYesif your company is publicly traded that is literally impossible. The only way to avoid shareholders is to stay private.

[@Her_Imperious_Condescension]

And that's what I don't get. You'd think doing something so horribly stupid that hemmorhages all your users like this would _not_ be in the shareholders' interest, but I guess it is. Somehow.

[@Laughability]

LOL ROBLOX PLAYERS HARDLY EVEN USE GUILDED BRO - i genuinely cannot name 1 Roblox game that has a Guilded server. It's all Discord servers

[@BabanBalls]

Hi laugh y Ur comment not popular

[@joel784]

Bros comment only got 3 likes And yes No roblox game with a brain has a guilded server

[@pac0man99]

Hi laughability

[@penguin22penguin22]

exactly,

[@aqdplayz]

fr

[@Tacommander]

Discord: “yo bro this food is bomb you should try it” Guilded: “##########################################”

[@qoombert]

####################################

[@fastsnake1]

I'm half expecting Roblox to ban people for things they say in Guilded at some point

[@example_handle]

Discord: "hi" Guilded: "##" *You have been banned for 1 day for hate speach*

[@Tacommander]

@@example_handle lmaooo

[@tomajjs]

I was once banned for 7 days for saying "deez nuts" 7.01 times in Roblox chat.

[@Kitty_haz_Claws]

Hi, Guilded Partner here since 2020, usually any and all changes were always discussed with the partners then beta tested and revised then tested some more and then pushed out. It was fun to see Discord push the same updates out 3-6 months later after Guilded did. Unfortunately, when the Guilded Staff pinged us (the partners) to tell us what was happening there was no open communication; it was stated as fact and done deal. The partner server absolutely blew up and (I could be wrong) there were only 1-2 partners who were vocally okay with this change. Even hard core Roblox players who were also guilded partners were NOT OKAY with this. Most all people who were on Guilded were there because, like you said, we HATE discord for our own personal reasons but because of this change we'd all rather go back to a product we hate than make the Roblox account. Sure it's easier to make the account, but this goes beyond 'what's easy' and it's the principle of the situation. After a few hours of pure chaos in the partner server we realized that the Guilded staff isn't to blame as they are doing what they are told by Roblox (so you are 100% correct on that), so we took to twitter and reddit blasting out Roblox.

[@biteingcobra363]

I kinda saw this outcome from the beginning. The moment they were acquired by Roblox their death was inevitable. Roblox as a company is one of the worst out there arguing that what they do is not child labor but rather beneficial to the child's development. one exec even said that its kinda like child labor but its not because those kids can make a living and support their families or something similar. The acquisition by Roblox should have been the call to leave in my opinion any other company I would have been okay with but they have proven time and time again that they do not listen to their users and even if a change is universally hated they will do it anyway. It's sad to see Guilded go, but I hope another platform can rise from its grave or it can somehow save itself.

[@Kitty_haz_Claws]

@@biteingcobra363 you are right; a lot of people DID leave when Roblox bought them out saying this change would be inevitable however it was in writing and promised over and over that Guilded would remain the same (as the video stated) I was there when it was promised to us that nothing would change so we chose to trust.... big mistake.

[@1saamor897]

after looking at your pfp and name, i’m not surprised u have Guilded

[@Ikki_Katlin]

@@biteingcobra363 Roblox is a cult.

[@Ikki_Katlin]

@VilifiedOne Roblox is a cult.

[@itznxthaniel]

Taking Tcmich's (who I consider a friend of mine) idea, and posting my own experience as well: I was mentioned in the video at around 7:20, before this video came up I officially stepped down from the mod program, gg, and partner. I also have archived my servers and RG's channels are archived as well. Many community members I know have up and left, and switched back to Discord in an attempt to show our stance against this change. But with it being a couple of days from the announcement. No official word has been made. I also have word from someone reliable that Guilded's entire mission has changed and this is a change that will not be reverted. I'm really upset to see this platform go as I spent the past 3 years repping this platform, helping it grow, and helping moderate its servers. But, all good things must come to an end. p.s. I appreciate the mention of my blog post!

[@irainrocks]

ill miss u man. i talked to u once on gilded, amazing person. good luck with ur future endeavors.

[@s.r.1048]

So you're throwing away all your work because you don't like the idea of making a Roblox account philosophically or something?

[@itznxthaniel]

@@s.r.1048 I already have a Roblox so in the long run this change doesn’t affect me. I’m stepping away from the Guilded community because it’s becoming a product I don’t want to support and they will no longer listen to their community. I’m friends with multiple staff and I can tell you already this is a set decision and they’re not changing it. This change overall is bad. Something that isn’t mentioned in the announcement is that if your RBLX account has moderation action taken against it now, you won’t be able to log into your Guilded account. This entire change goes against Guilded and Roblox’s first promise when the acquisition went through; “Guilded will continue to operate as an independent product group.”

[@truedarklander]

@@s.r.1048 Bad bait attempt

[@AbraBalls]

The helldivers thing is still not resolved because on steam you still cant buy the game in those 177 regions (you can play if you bought it before) so because they couldnt get numbers they just showed us a middle finger and no one is really talking about it thinking it was over

[@billyhatcher643]

and future shitstation games will be prebanned in thoes countries in the future so sony is fucking themselves in the ass

[@ignasdamijonaitis8629]

Add on to the fact that *all* of Sony's new PC releases will require the PSN account, making all the new releases region locked. I was super excited to buy Ghost of Tsushima (and play the co-op with a friend), but alas, the game doesn't exist on my Steam anymore...

[@CrimsonHeart-jf9qn]

​@@ignasdamijonaitis8629God of War Ragnarok needs a PSN account too.

[@bonecreator_]

@@ignasdamijonaitis8629only option is piracy now again.. damn they really don’t want our money huh

[@Omar-rb3gm]

@@ignasdamijonaitis8629this is where you turn to pirating my friend.

[@3magikarpinamansuit281]

My main fear is predators are already rampant on Roblox so an integrated discord like interface sends shivers down my spine.

[@boxpeakyeti1709]

where do you see predators on roblox???

[@DevVenn]

@@boxpeakyeti1709 you trying to meet up with them or smth 😂😂

[@santinosalamanca4378]

​​@@boxpeakyeti1709 🤦‍♂️ faave, kelogish, notive, misterobvious, konekokitten, there are a hell lot of predators edit: spelling

[@flarestorm9417]

​@@boxpeakyeti1709 Where do you NOT see predators on Roblox? That'd probably be a shorter list.

[@TheResidence.mp4]

​@@boxpeakyeti1709You're joking, right?

[@UberSpah]

2023 - Alternatives to Discord - Guilded 2024 - Alternatives to Guilded - Discord

[@Rezim942]

How the turna have tides.

[@hybridizedhere]

Fun Fact: Legacy youtube accounts are STILL allowed to migrate to todays Gmail accounts (if you somehow still have one) it will automatically prompt to change to a gmail upon signing in Now why is there this sudden trend of locking you out completely and just deleting things if you dont migrate accounts in time? It happened with Minecraft (people paid and lost years worth of stuff because of that migration) it tried to happen with Helldivers, now its going on here

[@Liggliluff]

You don't lose stuff in Minecraft because your account is deleted. Your worlds are stored locally and any account can access them that you log into on your computer. It's still terrible that you would have to buy the game again, but you didn't lose the worlds at least.

[@RadikAlice]

Reality crashed through the window, even for Google. Storing things in perpetuity isn't viable. Nor cheap Then again, their fault. But we gotta pick up the broken plates

[@cerosn]

@@Liggliluff People lost their rare usernames and capes and those are worth a lot of money

[@Liggliluff]

@@cerosn oh right, capes, never had one and never cared for having one, so it completely went past me. Fair then, if you had capes then you lost something. Not everyone did, but if you did then yes. Username I'm not sure how that works with the new system.

[@z_xd_lol]

@@Liggliluff i lost everything in hypixel and i had thousands of hours in it

[@Creminson]

Knowing Roblox's Community, this is going to be a fucking disaster and grooming and all of other weird illegal stuff is going to happen on Guilded now....

[@swellybelly5970]

So the best choice is to move to discord? The totally grooming and 🍕 free place?

[@norne3620]

It's unlikely Roblox users will use guilded anyway. Most Roblox communities use Discord.

[@Neogeddon]

"Now" as if that wasn't happening immediately like it does anywhere

[@aaamogusthespiderever2566]

I mean, Roblox has it set where you can link a discord server to a game.

[@toejammergaming]

If anything, most of the grooming would still happen at Discord.

[@gavinthecrafter]

I think people need to realize at this point that websites with little to no ads and mostly free features ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE and never have been. There's a reason companies have been charging more for features lately, and it's not just because of corporate greed. For example, Twitter has run at a loss for its entire existence.

[@Dadum-bass]

It's the enshitification process. Most IT startups go through it. . . Develop a product, release it for free, get popular, attract venture capital investment, get bigger, faster, approach market saturation. . . Now the VC wants a return on investment. How does the company make money on a free product? Subscription Tier lists. . . Reduce the "free" version to bare bones of what people were using, put what they were using beind a premium pay wall.

[@KingslayerBeforeDawn]

@@Dadum-bassI don’t necessarily think this is the case now. Roblox has enough resources and the cost to keep guilded up are not that much (relative to what fix and variable costs Roblox has). Roblox can use their own servers. I therefore don’t think that there will be an enshittification process, Guilded is not really what they make profit with. At least for now. But I could imagine, to make Roblox premium more attractive they add features in Guilded

[@amogoose2971]

@@Dadum-bass that's why you shouldn't turn your company public, even though it would be harder it's better in the long run. look at valve for example

[@TrueFlameslinger]

​@amogoose2971 Valve is a special case since they make games/consoles, and they also run a virtual marketplace. Essentially, they sell a product and facilitate the selling of more products (where they get a cut). Then you have things like Discord. You can use Discord without spending a single cent. Because they don't run ads, anyone who doesn't buy anything is ultimately a net loss for Discord. Discord has been private thus far, but their ownership has been considering going public because they're hemorrhaging money sustaining the platform. Gilded is the same issue, and TeamSpeak avoids it because TeamSpeak requires money for anything above ~10 people. As suckish as going public is, services that give so much for free don't have a better option if people aren't paying into the system

[@LexTheCat]

I absolutely see roblox applying their horrible chat filter to Guilded

[@zeeemiii]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel ew, look, its a piece of trash

[@saiv46]

## fuck

[@retched]

In a roundabout way, they already are. You get banned from Roblox, you get banned from Guilded.

[@MereAdmirer]

Oh #### this #### fr

[@derpidius6306]

​@Moonlit_Vibes Nah that would be too easy, they will just eat the whole message like this ######### and its up to you to figure out what the problematic word is (it was typing 'this')

[@rawfan0]

They should make it so that users can add their Roblox accounts if they want to but they should be able to sign in using email or google. Making users sign in with a mandatory Roblox account feels like a limitation and introduces unnecessary friction between eager users willing to make the switch from Discord.

[@NeonicIG]

yes but no, because the whole reason is to make people create roblox accounts to inflate the userbase leading to increase in stocks, without mandatory sign in, no one would make a new account

[@WanderTheNomad]

​@@NeonicIGngl, that seems like a petty shortsighted decision

[@eriottomakurashi]

​@@NeonicIGroblox doesn't need to bot in more users, they are big enough as it's tbh. There must be another reason

[@NeonicIG]

@@eriottomakurashi they will always want more, it’s simple capitalistic greed really, the people with the most will always want more, leaving people with less feeling upset that stuff keeps getting taken away

[@LazoGT]

the reason why they did this is after years, guilded still has barely grown but has kept the diehard fans from switching. they thought of 2 scenarios with this decision: 1- diehard fans stay on the platform, will get a huge influx of users from roblox once they integrate it into the client 2- diehard fans will leave, killing maybe 50-100k of its active members, but will now introduce it to a community with over 300 million people. guilded was never going to succeed. roblox knew that, saw an opportunity, and went for it. it's a huge middle finger to the current users of guilded.

[@tranhoangquan-Shadeez]

I love when large corporations do everything just to piss their users off.

[@Inkthirsty]

let's be honest, we only have guilded accounts because we wanted to see if it was better than discord

[@ChrisZKidd345]

I can see that even though I deleted discord like 6 months ago I can *sort of* see how that’s the case, Idk

[@carlosplays112]

Yep

[@rockiecraft]

i have never heard of guilded till now

[@EllaMaster]

let's be honest, we only have guilded accounts because we wanted to see if it was better than discord

[@clockthefantastic]

i only have it because im a roblox dev lol

[@20thCY]

That's like Discord saying "Connect a Crunchyroll account or else you can't log in". Like what!? Sure many people may have it but many people also don't have it

[@0deathbrand0]

"Guilded" and "Grooming" are going to become very commonly used together within the next few years or so

[@NuchiAsaki]

It's just another Discord feature that they are adding to Guilded.

[@theYeastBoi1332]

gg bro

[@Actvontact]

I’m shocked it hasn’t already

[@Teacup44]

@@Actvontact im sure it has, you just haven't heard of it

[@scripto6664]

@@Actvontact ight bet

[@Steakable]

ntts, what they meant by "advanced language tools" is what they have in roblox, automatic chat translation

[@Steakable]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel yeah ok lol 😂

[@Perellux]

and yet those “advanced language tools” don’t even work. At all.

[@starkar91]

​@@Steakabledude dont give them any more attention. they don't give a shit. please

[@IsCringe777]

@@Perellux they do work very well in roblox

[@Juicygreens]

works well knowing its roblox. the same company that barely gives a shit. ​@@Perellux

[@BoredIG]

I’ve been an active member of Guilded for almost two years now and I'm very attached to the community. The recent changes have been disheartening, especially considering the strong connections I've formed. This includes joining the GilGang group and having countless engaging and memorable interactions. It's truly regrettable to see this come to an end. I genuinely hope that Guilded would take the time to understand the impact of their decisions on the community and consider revisiting this change.

[@TheReelHellion]

Guilded Partner here (but don't care anymore). I can assure you that a lot of the partners are not happy with this change also. The vast majority of the partners are moving back to Discord (or have already moved before this even took place). I think a lot the pushback has to do with we weren't told a single thing about this until it was implemented by the Guilded Staff. There was no communication with the partners that this change was coming. Honestly it feels like Mixer all over again. And I totally agree with you. Guilded will become an icon on the wall at some point while Roblox just "eats" it and then shuts it down. It's only a matter of time. If I was on the staff there I'd be looking elsewhere for work. I think it might happen a bit quicker than you think though because no one asked for this change.

[@clacktrak]

I think Roblox's plan isn't to make Guilded a better communication service. It's just to bring in more Roblox users. They only bought Guilded for the reason to sacrifice it for their own personal gain.

[@eriottomakurashi]

That makes zero sense. There is not a single reality where that would be profitable

[@themilkstar]

@@eriottomakurashi roblox fucks everything up I thought this was like basic knowledge by now also, they are 100% trying to make guilded their own discord, they've been slowly but surely adding discord related features over the years so when they take over it's main competitor it's pretty clear what they want

[@eriottomakurashi]

@@themilkstar regardless of result, there is a reasoning that made it happen and countless people that have had the chance to say “hey this ain’t the brightest idea”

[@laurencefraser]

@@eriottomakurashi and yet you see big businesses do stuff like that All the Time.

[@lhobang]

More groomees for groomers I guess

[@Infinantnarwhals]

9:56 It is actually so much worse, when you are publicly traded, you are legally required to put shareholder profits before anything else.

[@fenn_fren]

What is your source for "legally required"?

[@0deathbrand0]

Monopoly status attained, Enshittification process started

[@rattle_me_bones]

Bold of you to assume Discord hasn't always been in a process of enshittification

[@EllaMaster]

Monopoly status attained, Enshittification process started

[@shadowslayer205]

Can't enshittify something that was never good in the first place.

[@midvightmirage]

​@@shadowslayer205 quit the cap

[@0deathbrand0]

@@shadowslayer205 yea bro I made my first discord account in 2016 it was so much better back then, far less moderated and restrictive, and it hadn't gone full panderverse yet because it wasn't popular

[@Carbiniz3r]

Discord has just devolved beyond a simple IRC/Voice chat client. We didnt want to go back to an older UI/unencrypted server so we left it for Element on a matrix homeserver and have been pretty happy. If Guilded falls though. Discord is going to up all its prices very quickly.

[@victoralexandervinkenes9193]

Unless Google or Aple creates a worthy rival, that is... It's highly unlikely for that to happen, but you may never know 😈

[@preseusstreaming1633]

finally someone remembered matrix protocol. i use schilidichat as a client

[@Gavin-oq5nl]

@@victoralexandervinkenes9193”Aple”

[@OctoFloofy]

Wish i could use matrix more often but i just barely know anyone that even uses it. Just one small Splatoon community. But all other communities and games lock me to Discord.

[@AnnoyingRains]

Encryption means nothing on a public room, in fact, it’s rather pointless. You mean DMs right?

[@embercoral]

God, this reminded me of when I would play Viva Piñata for PC and was forced to make an XBox Live account for it to even work. Nowadays, I can't play it anymore unless I do some weird exploit to bypass the system, and using said exploit also means I can only ever have 1 save file without the executable completely crapping itself. It really sucks for those who wish to archive older games when they're chained to an outdated online system.

[@Contori_]

Helldivers is still blocked in those same countries even now lol

[@FairwellNoob]

You can still play the game in those countries, just not buy it.

[@EllaMaster]

Helldivers is still blocked in those same countries even now lol

[@megameerkat2634]

Not to mention Ghosts of Tsushima too (I can spell that right)

[@trianglemoebius]

Correct, but that's more to do with laws than anything else. More to the point, the problem was you *could* buy it (so, spend $40 or an equivalent) then not be able to play it. If you just can't buy if from the get-go, you're never losing that money.

[@Contori_]

@@trianglemoebius What are you talking about.. It's nothing about the laws, you literally could buy it before addition of PSN login, then those countries got blacklisted only for that reason. There is no problem with laws, just with the publisher.

[@MrThegamer695]

No one knows how to sink a company quite like boardroom execs

[@EllaMaster]

No one knows how to sink a company quite like boardroom execs

[@comlain2513]

No one knows how to sink a company quite like boardroom execs

[@hyacinthtiger62]

No one knows how to sink a company quite like boardroom execs Wait the first reply is a bot, sorry

[@comlain2513]

@@hyacinthtiger62 and here comes the rblx pfp ruining everything

[@charlix3]

Just to clarify, what do you think is the financial plan that could’ve kept Guilded alive?

[@YULDURUSTAN]

4:55 Well that aged like milk… Turkey can’t use guilded now…

[@Losowy]

I see this as a good thing

[@NawleyRoblox]

now they cant use roblox😔

[@Mihajlo94]

been since 1 month

[@penguin22penguin22]

yep, and they cant use DISCORD EITHER RIGHT NOW.

[@Mihajlo94]

@@penguin22penguin22 i think thats a good safety thing cuz roblox and discord are not safe and are dangerous and since the owners of these 2 apps wont do anything to stop them, türkiye bans the apps. Atleast they have instagram unbanned, ig

[@kensonplays]

As a (soon to be former) Guilded Partner, in the partner server, 90% of us are extremely unhappy with this. Talked to a bunch of other partners and we're also all leaving.

[@Square789_]

Sure would've been cool if the internet had this much of an uproar when microsoft forced people into their account system to continue playing minecraft and then proceeded to just take away the game from hundreds of people if they lost their mail or completely dipped out of the minecraft sphere for that time

[@ShadowCube264]

It’s only happening with Guilded because of it being a “Discord alternative” from the beginning. People joined largely because Discord was worse, now Guilded might be worse, the same people would be willing to move again. With Minecraft, it was a relatively smaller proportion of people who really cared, and there was less information about the alternatives which exist.

[@nn-cv9jq]

Wasn't moving period like a year not even including the warning? Not quite the same as "we will do this next update"

[@jacobb6621]

@@nn-cv9jq I see what you're saying, Issue with Minecraft is once people stop playing MC daily it usually ends up on the back burner for very long periods. I only transitioned my account because I decided to play on a whim and saw the warning after 2+ years not touching it. So say your in that category, decide oh I wanna mess with old worlds, then realize the worlds you'd spent a lot of your time in as a kid have been nuked.

[@nn-cv9jq]

@@jacobb6621 I also see your point and I agree that it's fair (Btw, worlds aren't nuked, they are stored on your Disc C or wherever is your .minecraft is located, locally. But making you buy new Minecraft account to play them is a shit move)

[@kraigisboss]

​@@nn-cv9jqI think that the there was less uproar with Minecraft just down to the fact a Microsoft account has more features than just to play one game so for PC it has used where as PSN accounts are just not worth having when you don't have other games on PC to need it and don't own a PlayStation

[@entropic-decay]

Coming back to this 7 months later. On the date that guilded logins were made to be through roblox only, roblox's stock price dropped 22%.

[@tcmich31shorts]

Hi everyone! Content creator around 7 minutes in the video right here. Let me explain to you all the thought process of that video. At the convention, I received an early ping from the Partner server saying that in about 2 hours, everyone will know that they require Roblox to use Guilded. I had a moment of panic, because I knew this wasn’t going to go over well. Hell, it didn’t go well over with me. That bag you see me throw away has been traveling with me to various conventions since 2019. I’ve been spreading the word about the platform since then. All goodwill got absolutely burned by that singular announcement. Not all is lost though, because I did in fact make a backup server in Discord, just in case something like this happened. TLDR: Former Guilded Partner here. 😂

[@Tench_gaming]

Thanks for the explanation!

[@B.L.U.S]

the best "I quit" i ever saw dude

[@ChouhouinNeko]

best i quit ever my guy. i wish you luck in your future endeavors

[@GabibboReall]

Nobody knows you

[@avidclown]

​@@GabibboReallThey do now, bud.

[@emihead]

they forgot they weren't a monopoly 💀

[@erikkonstas]

Problem is, they weren't the ones to forget... Roblox is the perp here...

[@MyFedora]

No, they didn't forget. They bought Guilded as a quick and easy way to get a functional chat platform for Roblox users. Roblox couldn't care less about existing Guilded users and partners, they are in fact an unnecessary operational expense; freeloaders that don't earn Roblox any money. Just look at these free perks. Roblox may as well require Roblox accounts for Guilded to boost Roblox user stats and kick out any unwanted people to save costs. Two birds with one stone.

[@gasad01374]

@@erikkonstas they would know this would be a requirement during the purchase agreement

[@erikkonstas]

@@gasad01374 Like they would even have a choice, kinda grandiose words there for when you're sinking in debt... acquisition was the only way probably.

[@gabrielwright6055]

strongly recommend those with the technical knowhow should consider running a Matrix server for your friend group, particularly if you're really only using discord to talk to people you know. there's multiple matrix clients out there, including Element, which is functionally a Discord clone in terms of the UI, but because Matrix is self-hosted, you don't have to worry about fucking venture capital running tools you need to talk to people into the ground.

[@TonicXZ]

The investors' dream of infinite growth is exactly that: just a dream. It's impossible to maintain forever. A lot of companies were winning big during the pandemic, but couldn't keep up with it afterwards. That's why so many people were laid off in so many companies. You saw it in Discord, but also Microsoft laying off the people that made Hi-Fi Rush, an insanely successful game, or Wizards of the Coast firing writers and more (including the contact person Larian had for Baldurs Gate 3). Any company with investors behind it is doomed to be ruined by greed.

[@boccelli2]

Worst of all, even if they do succeed... what comes after? Once you achieve max users by having the whole world (yes, even newborns somehow) subscribed... how do you go beyond, then? Find alien lifeforms? They should figure out there's a hard limit that they can and will reach even if all goes perfectly well (which cannot), so infinite growth just cannot happen. And yet, something so simple eludes their minds. It's so baffling... They earn so much money and yet they aren't able to think about something so basic. It's sad. And infuriating. You'd expect people who were smart enough to reach such positions and important roles would breed innovation and make things better and then they act like retards and only ruin everything.

[@arsipsaya3771]

Wunderbar

[@KnigtyyZ]

"Hi-Fi Hush, an insanely successful game" um no, the game sold like shit, in fact, that was the main reason why they closed the studio.

[@Volcano22207]

@@KnigtyyZm”the sorce is that I made it the fuck up”

[@KnigtyyZ]

@@Volcano22207 3 month old comment. Sit down boy.

[@nohalo3forme]

And the wild thing about that Sony PSN account thing is that they’re still gonna do it, but with the PC releases of Until Dawn and God of War Ragnarok… which don’t have multiplayer features so it makes even less sense!

[@ingamingpc1634]

That's why you publicly humiliate them and you drag them out into the light and force them to face the embarrassment maybe if enough people show them that they hate this update and they're not willing to buy anything they'll back off once they realize they're not getting any growth or money

[@TheRozenKnight]

It makes sense when the truth is they just want to bolster user numbers for investors.

[@Dice-Z]

sony fanboys: "B-B-BUT BUT BUT IT'S FOR MODERATING THE ONLINE MP!!1!1" narrator: unsurprisingly, the sony ponies were being bent over once more.

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

But then malicious compliance, as Sony just banned countries that can’t have access to PSN accounts from buying their games.

[@Liggliluff]

Why not make their own store on Windows then, which requires PSN to purchase games

[@coldReactive]

I'm honestly kind of glad for the username changes, because now we don't have to worry about knowing what special characters people used in their usernames, like italics text, or musical notes, etc. Way easier to mention. I know the downside is that they had to change how you could change your username too, but that's also nice, because I don't have to worry about a user... CHANGING THEIR DISCORD USERNAME FOUR TIMES IN ONE MONTH. (Something I kind of despise about twitter sometimes.)

[@wxrm]

Roblox has some of the worst moderation, spam, and hacking issues out there. The "foundation" they mention will be practically non-existent. Whenever a major corporation buys out a company and claims they'll be "hands-off," what they really mean is they'll stay hands-off for a few years before eventually ruining the service to make their investors happy.

[@MrMansfalumptuousflopper]

roblox already consciously ignores the piles and piles of child predators and horrible people and irresponsible and corrupted moderators on their own platform, I don't even wanna know what's going to happen to this one

[@frogguoof]

...

[@connordendy]

They don’t ignore them they just can’t find a way to solve the issue that won’t lose more money than they make or put them in crippling debt

[@zeenxdownz]

​@connordendy ur acting like hiring a couple people to properly ban people is going to cost billions

[@colossalnate156]

@connordendy no they ignore them, they get brought proof of predators using roblox to attract minors and literally ignore it, their response is always "oop, well, technically the grooming didn't happen ON roblox, so not our fault bye" because 9/10 times the messages that ARE grooming, usually happen off site, with roblox being the direct contact source

[@HeyItsJammers]

Just saw your part in the video where you mentioned the Sony Helldivers situation. Just wanted it to be known that those 170+ countries still cannot play the game. Sony removed the requirement of having the account, but the countries still cannot purchase the game. Those people are still being prohibited the ability to play. A lot of players had refunded their game due to the drama, and cannot repurchase because of this. It may seem everything is fine now due to the rule being changed, but nothing was actually fixed. The people who were affected, are in fact still affected. Which is an even WORSE case for the situation youre talking about. Because even in the one situation that things seemed to change, it actually didnt and was still in the favor of the parent company

[@BrassPetals3Voices]

Every company you mentioned has the same top shareholders. For a few years now Roblox has been the testing ground for the direction said top shareholders intend to drive every other platform they control: platform-wide AI integration including every aspect of game development and AI-driven invasive biometric data collection in the name of 'safety/moderation'. Full immersive ad integration into games that allows brands to sell real products from within games, per-game subscriptions in addition to platform subscriptions. When Roblox switches to a service model, development and groups will be shifted to Guilded. Basically Guilded will be so deeply integrated that it will become necessary for development and selling UGC. Its not looking good for Discord as undoubtedly it will be immediately dominated by those same top shareholders and repurposed in a similar way to Guilded for other platforms. The companies have no choice - if they do not comply, the top shareholders threaten to vote out their board members and withdraw funding. Unfortunately those same top shareholders control every single S&P500 company and are deeply integrated into the government. Fun times.

[@ThecatThecat-hq1op]

Discord isnt publicly traded... yet. If it does, I can see these problems happening to it as well.

[@altaccount2-ww3cg]

can we get a name drop

[@kaylons]

name drop the shareholders pls

[@swiss6754]

@@kaylons @altaccount2-ww3cg companies called Vanguard and Blackrock control the stocks of most major corporations, including Roblox. Look up the shareholders of most major companies, and you'll find those same familiar faces time and time again.

[@maxkozak9702]

Yeah yeah, quit your secret shadow government corporate overlords conspiracy theories. If you were telling the truth you would have named them. Liar.

[@zellzoii]

If they integrated Roblox more into Guilded I could see it becoming a bigger competitor to Discord because of Roblox's huge userbase. but, for now, nobody is going to be switching over, especially with all this new bs

[@zellzoii]

​@UTTPJimmyKimmelget a job

[@KenBladehart]

Yes, 5 year olds going to log in into Guilded Sorry but that aint gonna happen

[@therealpastel]

normal teenagers will leave Guilded, underage kids will join Guilded now, Exactly like the kid in this comment replies who said the n word, Btw report that fatherless degenerate

[@kacperkonieczny7333]

​@@zellzoiihe is to young to even understand that concept. Also next time ignore them and report them, they enjoy annoying people

[@UnusedParadox]

I could see Guilded becoming Roblox chat.

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

what's wild is that the "Sign in Via Email" is still on guilded, but you can't use it to sign in, you'd think they would have removed it huh?

[@Dot_.-._]

If guilded dies, discord would have a Nitro Pro Max subscription that moves all the current Nitro features to it and nitro has the nitro basic feature. (The cost for Nitro Pro Max would cost 3x more since Discord is greedy lol)

[@swagmester_1112]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel ☠

[@averagerobloxsimp]

Same!​@UTTPJimmyKimmel

[@sowfers]

​@UTTPJimmyKimmel Me when I am a sad 13 year old who has never achieved anything in their life so I decide to yap, hoping to get attention, on the internet to hopefully make me feel a little better about myself:

[@Kona120]

@@swagmester_1112just don’t respond, they just want engagement.

[@No_Rooster]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel fatherless speedrun any%

[@KizaruKizaru]

Did they see Sony going ballistic with forcing helldivers 2 players to connect their steam with psn, and thought "hey we want a piece from the backlash pie as well!"?

[@EllaMaster]

Did they see Sony going ballistic with forcing helldivers 2 players to connect their steam with psn, and thought "hey we want a piece from the backlash piece as well"?

[@hasinnn]

Did they see Sony going ballistic with forcing helldivers 2 players to connect their steam with psn, and thought "hey we want a piece from the backlash pie as well!"?

[@thechugg4372]

Yes in fact! They saw users only get mad for a little while then completely forget!

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Gee you wonder why Guilded would go for this.

[@ML-qe7ml]

@@thechugg4372 To be fair they didn't forget. They are still wary and if Sony does it again to HD2 they will revolt again

[@quadrupledamage]

this is literally the same thing that happened with minecraft and microsoft. They said nothing would change, then they added microsoft migration but dont worry, at least you get a cape! Wanna see what happens to guilded in the future? look at what minecraft is doing and delay it by a year or so

[@swishoemi]

"Michael Transactions Shop" - NTTS

[@RedWyvern214]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel GOD DAMN BRO CALM DOWN

[@therealpastel]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel why am i seeing this roblox degenerate everywhere 😭

[@grzegorzrolnik2855]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel shut up 8 year old

[@grzegorzrolnik2855]

I hate Micheal T. Ransaction (joke at microtransactions pls don't report me)

[@GateKeeper_Systems]

Mircrosoft windows? never heard of it. I use Michealsoft Binbows

[@af09sdijpgfsdlnvxcvxc46]

The whole Roblox login is the same thing that Microsoft did when they took over Mojang. Requiring you to have a Microsoft account to log into your Minecraft account.

[@timbo303official9]

Except Microsoft accounts are actually safer in security than mojang which was an upgrade due to having better 2fa and now passkeys. But roblox into guilded makes no sense they are 2 different things.

[@elihillman8758]

I still don't like the Microsoft account change, but I can accept it due to Microsoft accounts already being used for a lot of other things and it makes way more sense compared to whatever Roblox and Guilded are doing. Also, this will probably mean that if your Roblox account gets banned, your Guilded account goes down too.

[@abraham9301]

@@timbo303official9 There was still no reason to delete all the accounts that didn't make the switch it should've been an open thing instead of a timed thing

[@The_One_Eyed_Rouge]

​@@timbo303official9Wrong. Microsoft/Xbox accounts are NOT "Safe"

[@MrJerppu]

@@timbo303official9 I had an account which didn't get hacked for 10 years, Microsoft forced everyone to migrate. Couldn't because i deleted the email a while ago, Mojang support refused to help me, Lost a 10 year old account with ranks on servers :/

[@Bkoded]

the hilarity in roblox saying best communication platform as if roblox doesnt have one of the most over the top censorship in their chat

[@Diamond_Squid]

I think Roblox's acquisition of Gilded was clear from the start, and it did sign their death warrants. Companies should really know by now that forcing users to have a separate account to log into something is reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy shit

[@ReV0luzione]

Companies are aware of that most likely. They just wanna go after some investor cash... which dont even experience the product itself in the first place.

[@Berry_Comments]

As a ROBLOX player, this is an idiot move. Because knowing the ROBLOX community, they will plan some kinda protest, just like in the Bloxburg thing. Companies buying stuff and changing it completely is a big no-no for us. Edit: I started a whole ahh war in the replies ABOUT BLOXBURG?! Chill yall.. Edit 2: I think imma delete this comment so that yall can stop fighting

[@Greenhawk4]

I don't really understand the whole bloxburg thing I mean the game barely even costs anything as it is and I imagine most people who don't have it just don't want to play it or don't play those types of games.

[@Berry_Comments]

@@Greenhawk4 Its kinda bc we got scammed, they said the game would be free forever, and also because it will probably turn into brookhaven with 5 yr old onlinde d8ers.

[@Greenhawk4]

@@Berry_Comments doesn’t the game say beta or whatever? Kind of makes sense that it would eventually be free. There also can’t be that many more people that would play the game as like I said it costs basically nothing and so I imagine most people who want to play it already do and already have the game.

[@10054]

We, the Roblox community, have virtually zero power what they do. If banning every account is in the interest of profit, then we're cooked. (Obviously that wont happen, but it's to say how much they don't care about us.)

[@taxevasi]

@@Berry_Comments You were never scammed. Welcome to bloxburg has in clear letters "BETA" next to it which meant it was an incomplete game and anything could happen.

[@TonCulte]

That people chose Discord convenience over Mumble or teamspeak is still laughable looking at this situation

[@thundrakion]

The big black thing with the hell divers account entry thing was also the fact that you had to submit your government ID, which gives them a lot more information, and information is money. It still sucks what's happening with guilded, But the backlash paired with the Paramount stock drop scared Sony out of the account stuff.

[@NuchiAsaki]

Not just that, Sony is well known for not even trying to secure user data. So that government ID you're giving them will end up in the hands of hackers during the next annual security breach.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

Yea, in some countries. And in others you had to have a Playstation to create one.

[@laurencefraser]

@@Sasha-zw9ss in some you had to give them your government ID to make a playstation account, was my understanding. It wasn't an either/or thing.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

@@laurencefraser Yea, I was talking about other places that has different limitations - ID thing did happen indeed.

[@nm_9_]

3:59 This is a rare instance where people stand against the big tech corporations which is good and it means people will likely strive for open source alternatives in the near future

[@RadikAlice]

I wish that was true, but it's just not gonna happen. Not unless you're like me

[@nm_9_]

@@RadikAlice doesn’t the release of the steam deck prove that this may potentially be coming sooner then we think?

[@RadikAlice]

@@nm_9_ I mostly fail to see how. It's built on top of open source sure, but Steam, the real selling point, is closed source and acts as DRM. The only real difference is Valve actually contributes unlike most big corps who use and leech off of open source

[@nm_9_]

@@RadikAlice I am aware of that but your missing the bigger picture despite the main drivers and all that being closed source linux isn’t therefore if people make games for the steamdeck it will likely be able to be played on other distros my point is this is a huge step towards getting apps and games working on linux and once that happens people will likely move to linux more specifically linux mint since it’s very beginner friendly

[@RadikAlice]

@@nm_9_ While true, weirdly some games don't perform 1:1 on a PC vs. the Deck so… Not a guarantee

[@IndianProYT]

3:25 bro read July 15 as January 15 😂😂

[@krysmun]

BTW, Helldivers 2 is still unavailable to Purchase on steam in those 173 countries despite no longer needing a PSN account to play it. And the ghost of tsushima director's cut is also unavailable in 172 countries also. they just aren't even bothering to sell it despite technically letting people in those countries continue to play those games.

[@Skeletonman21]

and then they wonder why people pirate their games

[@0deathbrand0]

To put it into peoples perspectives for the HD2 situation, I had a friend I would play with from the baltic states and his country was one of the 177 affected by snoy. It's not just a 40 or 50 dollar game to them, but rather 80 hours of labour to afford it. Normally they just pirate western video-games over there because one game costs half your monthly earnings due to the exchange rate of the dollar in some places, but you couldn't pirate HD2 because it just wouldn't work. So there were actually people who doubled down and saved their extra cash where they could to afford HD2, all for sony to tell them to go fuck themselves. We won though, anyone who already bought it can play no problem but anyone in the same area that wants to buy it now can't anymore

[@Liggliluff]

Doesn't sound like a win but a draw

[@PookieReal]

I doubt anyone will see this comment, but there is a reverse side to this that will increase guilded’s users. Roblox is providing all of their users a Guilded account already set up. Also, community/group owners can click a button and have a Guilded server for their group. However this stuff still could’ve been done with out requiring a roblox login for existing Guilded users. (I dont use Guilded but I do have an account from Roblox)

[@festerma5076]

i wanted guilded to grow so bad because it would be funny to see discord's main competitor be owned by roblox but i guess that isnt happening now

[@Nylveon]

Yep, I'm glad im not the only one seeing this, every gripe i have with things i own seem to be with ones that are from companies that are publicly traded.... strange how that works

[@BlackDeathdrago]

It’s funny all these companies that but smaller companies say that then make them sign in with the main company account so that you are now also bonded to those tos as well meaning yeah sure their “independent” might not change but the main company will

[@RenanMsV_YT]

The moment they announced it I knew they just nuked themselves. Such a good app wasted like that. I have a Roblox account and I play it sometimes, and even then, I know this is a very dumb way to kill your app.

[@H0ttabych]

Well, startups usually do end up that route. A lot of good startups do. Just because startups are usually done out of passion, they aren't very profitable, require lots of work, and when a company comes to you with a good pack of money and tells you, hey, would you sell us your startup for this chunkload of cash that otherwise will take you like 20 years to make, it's difficult to say no, almost impossible. But if every user of a startup which they find useful would just donate $1 per month, it could've been completely different story. Go through list of services you're using and check without which one your experience would degrade, and consider a donation maybe...

[@ilwto]

i love how its so bad they’re all going back to discord😭

[@xenai.]

"maybe discord wasn't so bad after all"

[@TomJakobW]

@@xenai. “he didn’t hit me *that* hard; maybe it really was all my fault! If you know him better, he really isn’t that bad!”

[@Archimedes.5000]

Some are moving to matrix

[@Xada35]

Some of us are switching from Guilded to Revolt chat.

[@Dice-Z]

@@xenai. People hating on discord is really the stupidest braindead meme ever. It's a great DM/IM/videocall/screensharing app. The supposed bad is mostly the servers, which no one is forced to join. Just avoid the bad ones, it's not that hard. Predators on the app are not in the slightest something particular to discord, it's just how the internet and any private messaging feature works ANYWHERE. Privacy concerns are the only valid argument, but people are fools if they think it's better anywhere else. Otherwise it does almost everything better than all alternatives. Nitro is necessary to sustain it, and while the limitation for screen sharing and file sharing are annoying, they are not that big of a deal. Basically the only thing i could ever agree on is that discord should raise file size cap to 50 MB at the very least (because what does it matter if i send 5 10MB files or 1 50MB file?), and screen sharing quality to 720p minimum. Otherwise it does everything you would want it to, perfectly fine. Even then for those things there's a point to be made about bandwidth and storage concerns (financially speaking).

[@CrueI_Klng]

Don’t think Roblox quite understood why discord is so frequently used by large games. It’s so little kids can’t get in and flood their coms with terrible game ideas and begs for free stuff. Now, Roblox took that one feature away from guided. Why would people use it???

[@Shenepoy]

there's revolt and element(matrix), they indeed have slower progress in terms of feature but they are growing for couple of years now

[@NuchiAsaki]

Element being self-hosted is going to severely limit its growth. Most people are not capable or willing to learn how to use it.

[@Shenepoy]

@@NuchiAsaki element provide free server hosting and you host any matrix client with a lot of providers just like the days of teamspeak, and matrix has cross-talk with slack and other applications

[@asiliria]

@@NuchiAsakiThen, read the wiki - laziness in the realm of FOSS isn’t really justifiable to combat corporate dominance! 💪

[@NuchiAsaki]

@@asiliria You're asking too much of the average user. They expect to be able to click a desktop icon or open a mobile app and have things just work with no effort. Discord provides that, Element / Matrix do not.

[@amberwingthefairycat]

If you download Element, you very much can just treat it as a Discord, because it defaults to Matrix’s flagship homeserver.

[@LotusEli]

Who wouldn't have expected this? It's just the natural turn of events. Guilded was never going to last and its integration into roblox(making it a premier roblox platform) was just inevitable.

[@NorthStarBlue1]

It's the perpetual cycle. Platform pushes out unpopular update, people get offended and flock to newer alternative platform, new platform see the influx of users and tries to capitalize, people get offended by that move and reluctantly go back to the original platform.

[@LotusEli]

@@NorthStarBlue1 yep. these companies start out of love for the platform, but then they start bleeding money, bad, so they look for investors. those investors demand a return on capital, which requires monetization, or in this case, integration. i think this is honestly a better alternative than forcing people to pay for a product they won't get much out of, but the people have decided what they want and it's definitely not to integrate to roblox. unfortunately, guilded are already between a rock and a hard place.

[@KFARR]

It’s crazy that I need a Roblox account to access something completely Roblox unrelated

[@fruxo4218]

Btw Sony "said" they weren't going to move forward, but as of today, they're still moving forward and said 177 countries are still banned from accessing the game due to PSN. Just so we're clear.

[@CodeBroRob]

and i still wont buy games that require PSN, even if they "recalled" a decision. i'm already bothered enough as is that microsoft pulled this shit with minecraft

[@sidekic1109]

Just so we're clear, they're not banned from accessing the game, they're banned from PURCHASING the game, you can still play it if you own it

[@fruxo4218]

@@sidekic1109 Do you not understand how PSN works? You need a PSN account to play the game, of which 177 countries does not have access to PSN at all to make an account. They do not have access to playing the game, and cannot purchase it anyway without it being a waste of money, what more is unclear to you? I like that you tried to make a gotcha on me, but you're just making yourself look retarded.

[@fruxo4218]

@@sidekic1109 They're banned from purchasing the game, and playing it. Do you not understand how PSN works? You are required to make a PSN account to play the game, of which 177 countries does not have access to PSN to make an account. Purchasing the game is a waste of money. How dumb are you?

[@fruxo4218]

​@@sidekic1109 177 countries cannot make a PSN account and you're required to have a PSN account to play the game. XD? wtf you on about.

[@aestrul]

The worst thing for us former die-hard Guilded users is that not liking Discord is an understatement, but now the situation has become lesser of two evils, where, unfortunately, Discord wins.

[@firicel0072]

is making a roblox account that takes 10 seconds to make rlly worse than discords shitty decisions

[@RiskiVR]

@@firicel0072 yes, because not everyone wants to create even more accounts for more platforms (especially ones they don't care about), just to access another platform.

[@zirconiumdiamond1416]

​@@RiskiVR yeah that is annoying but being forced to spend a minute to create an account with the same username and password as your Guilded account can't possibly be worse than half the stuff that Discord has done. Your Guilded login is going away, so it isn't even an extra account to keep track of, just replacing one login with a different one.

[@Greenhawk4]

@@zirconiumdiamond1416 did you forget the point about when roblox gets blocked in certain countries and so then it also blocks the people in those countries from using guiled. Clearly you don't fully understand the issue.

[@zirconiumdiamond1416]

@@Greenhawk4 and is Discord not susceptible to being blocked by those same countries?

[@ZaneDragonBorn]

Yep, I had faith in the devs at the start but there are so many issues with Guilded I had to leave Gil Gang. Frankly Guilded is a testament of how not to run a company. They write in their handbook that employees Can develop at their own pace with no deadlines, do not require a designer to check their work before release, and ya can't forget... they get unlimited vacations. As a result, we had updates go from monthly to seasonal releases and the number of features to be released was even lower. We had devs that disregarded what feedback we had and released uncomplete features without any quality. As a former GG member, I remember how common it was for us to sarcastically throw jokes about how slow an update took, and how our feedback wasn't heard. Do you know what Guilded reps said? They told us to be more positive as it's not very "representative of guilded"... well it so happens they just really hate to admit the company policy sucks, the devs don't care about the community, and they were hanging by a thread... So I quit GG a few months ago before this. Sent a formal message requesting my leave and slowly stopped using it. I learned that when you aren't shilling Guilded, its practically useless. Stick with discord people. As crappy as they can be, they at least run a company that is managed properly, release features with a deadline, and has the right amount of development put into each with quality checks before publishing.

[@ፔ̇_ፔ̇]

roblox fact #1: Roblox condos (roblox games that are for.. certain interactions.) still exist, and the most roblox has done is lock the model used or experience used, they have not once patched any bypasses the condo community uses and have yet to try, condos have existed since 2014-ish and they still refuse to do anything about it.

[@jermedroblox]

fan fact they ban it, by using ban waves but there one thing So many bypass like keys etc etc

[@jermedroblox]

even if roblox do anything about it the condo owner will have a way to bypass the system again

[@jermedroblox]

so only best thing is ban waves sadly but condos only last on minutes like 1 to 30 minutes

[@ፔ̇_ፔ̇]

@@jermedroblox there are things roblox could implement to permanently ban these games, like reviewing models before upload or automatic condo detection.

[@jermedroblox]

@@ፔ̇_ፔ̇ They kind of have that (automatic condo detection), like so many players joining a newly game and blacklisted models, but again, the condo owner bypasses that, like it looks like it's just normal, but when they join the game and the owner sets up the condo on that server (which they called loading for them), that means only that server is a condo, and they did on the private servers too, so it will be harder to roblox to ban it.

[@soupisprimordial]

I'll be honest, despite every problem basically throwing themselves at Discord, it is like KZbin; Despite all the challenges this company faces, Discord somehow stays up and running whilst the competitors don't for some reason. Guilded was a competitor but didn't really have that staying power and advertising Discord did is all I have to say.

[@cx.rry_mx.ndspace]

It's probably bc smth like that is super unsustainable and anyone who tries to be a competitor is usually too small to keep it running in the long run, and then the instant they sell it off to a big corporate company it's basically dead, shouldn't be too much of a surprise. Like, you have to be a pretty big deal to not die off to an acquisition, like how Minecraft is still alive even after being diddled by Microsoft. Meanwhile Skype on the other hand just got absolutely blasted by Zoom

[@soupisprimordial]

@@cx.rry_mx.ndspace Nah Skype was replaced by Discord but yeah any competitor that isn't somewhat prepared is doomed to be part of internet flopstory.

[@TrueFlameslinger]

The main reason is because both Discord and KZbin run at a loss. To be able to compete, you have to either put a fee on it, use add/data collection, or get money from a parent company/investors

[@swift3520]

10:40 this is absolutely what i see happening. Guilded is just going to be integrated into the site itself and replace the undeniably shitty preswnt roblox social features (would be a direct upgrade to groups for example) Which honestly would be sad for guilded but huge for roblox until you realize theyre gonna repurpose a discord competitor into a (almost literal) playground

[@InfusedBio]

All this reminds me of is when Microsoft acquired Minecraft, made us make a Microsoft account, and then screwed everything up and made it unbelievably paid now. (They didn't have Minecoins, paid skins, resource packs, maps, servers, and pretty much anything before. But now they do, and it all costs a fortune too)

[@Liggliluff]

I don't mind the concept of microtransactions, but they do cost a fortune as you say. 4-12 €$£ for a picture on your avatar in Discord is ridiculous. How much did it cost to make that artist draw it? How many will buy it for 50 cent?

[@mailc3p477]

That’s why you play Java, which has remained unchanged since Microsoft aquired Mojang

[@palecaptainwolfkayls8499]

The real kicker is that a good chunk of everything you can do for free in Java alone, such as making texture packs, custom worlds, servers, modding, is not only something you have to pay for on Bedrock, But because of the way the marketplace is currently, Microsoft is actively encouraging plagiarism and theft _because_ a chunk of the stuff you pay for is also stuff _entirely unrelated people_ have made for Java for the significantly lower price of *free.*

[@dustojnikhummer]

Microsoft owned Minecraft for like 7 years before even introducing MS accounts into the game (at least the Java version).

[@trianglemoebius]

I'd argue the Microsoft accounts are at least a bit different, because they're so ubiquitous that it doesn't matter. Almost all Minecraft players are Windows users, and anyone with Windows has a Microsoft account a priori, so it's more just logging in with an account you already have. Meanwhile, most Guilded users *aren't* ROBLOX players, and don't have an account.

[@Captions-Eric]

It fucking sucks that public companies are LEGALLY REQUIRED to make profits for their shareholders cause of a Supreme Court decision from forever ago

[@Redice.]

Making a roblox account takes at least 5 minutes, why are people even complaining about this? 😂

[@DrunkJarJar]

@@Redice. This is the same exact complain people use about sony with hell divers... suprise suprise, people dont like beinG forced to do stuff they dont want to

[@Redice.]

@@DrunkJarJar I could understand why someone would think that way. But with making a PSN account, you have to put in a lot of your personal information, such as what city you live in, your full name and Gmail. But with making a Roblox account you don't need to do that. Also there are many more countries that allow you to make a Roblox account than a PSN account. I seriously don't get why people complain about this? Are they just too lazy to make one? Is it that difficult? 🤦‍♂️

[@blueslayer99]

@@DrunkJarJar Helldivers at least meant that people paid for a game and could no longer play it. Here a free service is given to them and they're not willing to pay a minor inconvenience of a 5 minute account creation and instead will go to discord, while complaining about a monopoly.

[@RKNGL]

@@Redice.YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT YOUR ID TO IT STOP LYING MATE.

[@kvyw]

I can tell Jared was sitting at his computer typing that blog post while builderman pointed a gun at his head making sure it was as bleak and corporate as it could be.

[@hansantos08]

At 3:25 you said "until January 15th" although the text clearly reads "July 15" thought id let you know, good video tho !!

[@PixelKat5]

Michael transactions 🫡 0:02

[@CupoCaffeine]

I was so confused when I heard it I had to restart the video

[@Off-colorsign]

Can we rename them this?

[@PierceTheVeil-hrt]

I think the craziest part about all of this is that I saw this video 7 months after upload, and this is the first I've heard of Guilded.

[@Yezpahr]

2:53 Fun fact, the word Robust contains "Rob" and "Bust".

[@suongoh3720]

roblox 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@Rex5040]

rob busted

[@d7aman]

@@Rex5040slap battles

[@EdiWolfOfficial]

that’s obvious

[@ClawQuake]

Many Roblox experiences have discord servers, I can't imagine Roblox likes that they have no control of those servers. This is a clear attempt to substitute discord for something they can control.

[@Noname72105]

Almost like we shouldn't be using centralized apps anymore and could instead use decentralized/self-hosted options like Revolt

[@xenai.]

2:15 This literally reminds me of the Helldiver's 2 PS account situation. I mean at least you knew it was gonna happen eventually there. Annddd... You mentioned it in this same video haha

[@kilgorby1377]

@UTTPJimmyKimmel you know I can report all your comments all day long

[@sfisher923]

And an even earlier example being the Microsoft Account requirement for Minecraft which also got hit with backlash (Not sure about bans from nations)

[@iceresistance]

@@kilgorby1377 And the bot is gone

[@nick7072]

Discord when the servers are coming back to it: "You couldn't live with your own failure, where did that bring you? back to me"

[@DiamondOrPoor78]

What is it with companies wanting to force you to login a certain way, first Microsoft with Minecraft, then Sony with Helldivers, now Roblox with Guilded, and I'm sure plenty more

[@LordEgilYGO]

I remember first hearing about Guilded because the infamous game journo who couldn't beat Cuphead's tutorial was shilling it and literally the only thing it had over Discord at the time was that it had a calendar.

[@BlancMint]

Everything I’ve learned about the guy who couldn’t beat the cuphead tutorial has been against my will

[@SuperFailzocker]

Let's hope, that Revolt Chat manages to get some (positive) attention. But tbh, Discord is way to big to be beaten that easily.

[@NuchiAsaki]

People said the same about Skype and MSN/Windows Live Messenger.

[@ReniPlays]

@@NuchiAsaki But.. Skype is still popular!?

[@NuchiAsaki]

@@ReniPlays The only people using Skype are boomers and people have need to use it to talk to the boomers.

[@GachaXavier-ORIGINAL]

Türkiye banned Discord 2 days ago. Luckily, my friends and I found this app 5 months ago and now we hang out in guilded. Sometimes we open a VPN and enter Discord.

[@zan2447]

some insight for roblox getting guilded is for there infrastructure they dont care one bit about that company, they bought it for voice chat

[@BeardedMan8319]

That thing didn't only happen with helldivers 2. Minecraft got a similar situation, where if you didn't migrate to a microsoft account, your mojang account got deleted

[@xGOKOPx]

Does anyone even remember that Mojang accounts were themselves a forced migration? Back in 2011 you just had a Minecraft account. I've lost mine because of it, the email account that I used then has been gone for years (hey I was just 11) and finding the proof of purchase was fruitless because my dad won't bother looking for the payment confirmation (which I assume would end up on his email and not the one that was gone? Since this was literally the Mojang suggested solution to email being gone). In the Mojang account era my account *sorta* worked but with very limited functionality; I couldn't change skins or do anything that involved the website, basically; only log into the game. At some point before or during the Microsoft account migration it stopped working entirely. Now I have a new account because Windows 10 Edition (back when it was called that) was on sale for dirt cheap (I think I've paid less than $4) and later they made it so that PC Bedrock and Java are a single purchase so I got Java again.

[@chickentenderlover2412]

@@xGOKOPxCOD can rerelease the same game every single year for decades but god forbid a game you only play once every 3 years forces you to secure your account. the agony.

[@Jet1323]

nice videos as always, althou i would appreciate a bit of research on topics like helldivers which you did fix in the comments but could have been avoided. none the less thank you for the guilded update (which was the platform i used for storing data instead of discord) and probably will have to look for replacement.

[@united_state_secret_service.]

1:03 is this where Eli Vance is working right now waiting for half life 3 to release?

[@Gecko69420]

Real

[@Razorcat1904]

LMAO

[@Thestrongestdusk]

Wait your timestamp ends in 3

[@Razorcat1904]

@@Thestrongestdusk 😨

[@TheMAZZTer]

Fun fact: Sony STILL hasn't reverted their region purchase restrictions to Helldivers 2 despite dropping the PSN account requirement. Was going to link the steamdb page showing this but apparently KZbin thinks all links are spam. So the Google AI is not terrible, generally we're going to see screenshots of instances where it fails to highlight them, which isn't necessarily a fair representation of how it works. That said one does have to keep in mind those services have limits and are not always going to give you good answers. Particularly if it doesn't know the answer it falls into the common pitfall of AI of confidently stating something completely wrong and I have hit this myself a few times. Always verify whatever it tells you. But it is a good starting point for answers.

[@Lorne_Purnima]

See my thing with Google A.I is that if I wanted to verify answers and stuff, I could do that already by just searching something. I wanna know how to make a casserole, I click on the first recipe link "oh, that looks bad, I'm gonna look for another one". Google A.I just seems like its a bad and round about way to search whatever you're searching for unless it happens to give you correct info, but how do you know its correct info unless you had an idea already or you verify it????

[@genericgoat]

Why can't we get an open source user hosted alternative? Most of the coding would be done by volunteers, and all the server hosting would be done by individuals using their own hardware I feel like there are enough people who know how to program and just want a functioning discordlike app

[@leeyubinsproperty]

lol i literally deleted guilded yesterday and i see this