Discussing Margaret and Peter's Marriage | The Crown (Claire Foy, Victoria Hamilton, Pip Torrens)

The Queen Mother (Victoria Hamilton) and Tommy (Pip Torrens) advise the Queen (Claire Foy) not to confuse her current popularity with public support and that they should delay Margaret and Peter's marriage until she turns 25.
From Season 1, Episode 6: Gelignite
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[@hutch1197]

The sad thing about this scene is that both Tommy and the Queen Mother knew that Margaret still wouldn't be able to marry Peter after her 25th birthday. They deliberately withheld that from the Queen and caused her to unknowingly deceive her sister.

[@monmothma3358]

Do we know if they did it for real?

[@hutch1197]

@@monmothma3358 We don't, of course. This could all be fictional.

[@bricktam]

According to Margaret's biographer, the wait and Peter's transfer to Belgium caused her feelings to fade which made it easier to choose her lifestyle over him.@@monmothma3358

[@jasonkoch3182]

@@monmothma3358no. Every scene in private is entirely fictional. It’s highly unlikely that Elizabeth did not know about the royal marriages act. She almost certainly would not have needed her private secretary to explain it to her. Tommy’s part here is almost certainly just exposition to explain it to the viewer. It is likely that the queen mother intervened to stop the marriage, and she likely had the support of the royal court. The queen mother was really the last remaining royal individual from the time of the abdication and for the rest of her life she was insistent that things be done a certain way to protect the monarchy from a similar situation. She, like many traditionalists of the time, saw divorce as a scandal and could not fathom a member of the royal family willingly marrying a divorcee. The queen mother saw any potential scandal as equal to the abdication and did not believe the institution could survive anything similar. She would do it again when she intervened to stop anything from developing between Charles and Camilla. She believed that because Camilla had “a past” that she was unsuitable to be the wife of the heir to the throne, so she conspired behind the scenes to stop it. A lot of this was because the queen mother, like many people of the depression/war generation were ultra conservative and never adapted to the post war modernization of life, the culture shifts of the the 60s and 70s and general changing attitudes toward marriage. And I don’t mean to put it all on the queen mother. Much of the conservative cabinets under Churchill, Eden and MacMillan thought the same way. All of that put Elizabeth in a difficult spot regarding Margaret. She was bound to follow the advice of her government, which included the cabinet and the church. They both said no. The queen mother said no. And Elizabeth simply did not have the clout at the time to overrule them. Had George VI been alive at this time, he, perhaps, could have found a path through - he was, after all, the beloved monarch who led the country through the war. The government and church might have relented if he insisted that his daughter get what she want. Elizabeth was simply too green to challenge the establishment and it cost her sister. But more than that, it cost Charles, and he was ultimately forced into an unhappy marriage with a woman he did not love, and it had a calamitous effect on the royal family. Despite everything the queen mother had tried to do to protect the institution from another scandal, she arguably created one that was worse and the only reason the monarchy was saved was because by this time Elizabeth II had the clout to overrule her mother and the objections of those in the royal court and followed the guidance of the government. She may not have been happy about it but she knew it had to be done. And once the queen mother died and Elizabeth truly did become the matriarch of the family, she was able to make the necessary changes to the institution to keep it alive. The final 20 years of her reign were far more successful than the first 50 and that’s largely because she no longer had to contend with the queen mother’s traditional beliefs.

[@ellevillamor4454]

​@@jasonkoch3182 agreed, the late Queen wasn't perfect, but it think it would be an overstatement to say that every scandal was solely her fault.

[@SymphonyBrahms]

However it has now been revealed that Margaret was told that she could marry Peter but only if she gave up all of her royal priviledges and her title as princess. She refused to do that and broke up with Peter instead. So it's not as clear cut as people think that it is.

[@MsJubjubbird]

not even that. Just her place in the succession. She said she wasn't committed enough to go through with the marriage

[@alastairhopkins245]

Margaret was third in line to the throne. We would also have needed a regent for Charles if Queen Elizabeth had died young.

[@destinywhite2063]

Very idea, give up the title “princess”. She was a BLOOD princess. A princess by birth. Giving up a title would have accomplished nothing. They couldn’t have prevented her from using that title anyway, it was her birthright.

[@cherylhulting1301]

​@@alastairhopkins245But the reality of Margaret's becoming Queen was always unlikely. She waa third in line to the throne at this point. Queen Elizabeth also wanted more children and gave birth to two more, moving Princess Margaret to fifth in line. The succession wasn't really a sufficient reason for her not to marry Peter Townsend.

[@sweettea6706]

Exactly. Margaret wanted her cake and to eat it, too.

[@rsalt6015]

The power struggle between the Queen Mother and the Queen was always open.

[@jasonkoch3182]

There wasn’t a struggle. The queen mother generally won in the end. If you look at the queen’s reign, the last 20 years, after her mother died, were far more successful than the first fifty when her mother routinely got in her way.

[@johntomlinson6849]

@@jasonkoch3182Agreed, and the Queen also seemed so much happier and "fun" in her later years.

[@taymur0804]

​@@johntomlinson6849Definitely true😂

[@gamerkb1239]

More to this story. Margaret could have married Peter In 2004 show that the Queen and Eden drew up a plan in 1955 under which Princess Margaret could marry Townsend while keeping her royal title and her civil list allowance of £6,000 a year plus another £9,000 on marriage. She could live in this country and even continue with public duties if the public approved. However, she would have to renounce her rights of succession and those of her children. Far from opposing her sister's marriage, the Queen's attitude was summed up by Eden in a letter to Commonwealth prime ministers: "Her Majesty would not wish to stand in the way of her sister's happiness."

[@vidlovr]

such a pity. Margaret was never gonna be queen! That wasn't a huge loss! She didn't even potentially want to be!

[@Paragon231]

@@vidlovr Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Elizabeth already had several kids at that time, there was no way in hell Margaret or her kids were getting close to the throne.

[@bricktam]

To add to this, Margaret admitted to a biographer that she lost interest in Peter during their two year separation. Ultimately, it was her choice.

[@lilylittlemonster5]

2:05 "a disreputable jade" Love the dialogue. 🤣🤣

[@hank1519]

Don't get on the wrong side of a Brit!

[@thomasfy4]

Pip should have got an award for his role

[@TheBiGenderAutisticCollegekid]

yeah and I've noticed how this channel has put out videos for Season 1 I would like to see some published for Season 2 cause I Just watched Season 1 in clips now i am ready for Season 2

[@Antwan86]

Tommy was so vicious everytime he intervened in matters.

[@hothotheat3000]

You need a vicious man in your cabinet to keep things in line.

[@vanessac1721]

Effective you mean

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

He was loyal, protective and wise.

[@danielle-g3k]

@@madeleinegrayson8372no he was a bully.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

@@danielle-g3k he wasn't a bully, snowflake, lol. He did his job and he did it well.

[@Fishfrenchfry]

I think the people who always say “she was told she could marry peter as long as she gave up everything” don’t realize what that meant for margaret. If you look at how ostrasized Diana was after the divorce despite being the mother of the next heir, and how little grace they give to Harry and Meghan for choosing to leave. People who leave the royal service are not treated nicely and are never really allowed back. Some have deserved it but some haven’t. They would had to had villainize her for stepping out of her role. On top of that, she and Peter would have been cut out of the lives they had lived until that point. I know it’s easy to say when someone is rich why didn’t she do it, but also understand until this point Margaret and Elizabeth were very very close and did a lot together. And Margaret always did want to work within the system, wanted a role. I feel like either decision would have cost her a lot of unhappiness. We already know how one life was lived. I just wish people wouldn’t act like the choice was fair for her to make at all.

[@davideiceman]

It's kind of ironic how they opposed to her marriage with Peter who looked like a decent man, only to grant their blessing to the marriage with Lord Snowdon who is portrayed as a toxic individual who, by the time of his wedding to Princess Margaret, was entertaining himself with at least three other intimate relationships. When formality wins over substance.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Keep in mind that Margaret was free to marry Peter, as a free citizen. She'd have to give up the title, perks and money. Peter would, however, have provided for her quite well. She didn't love him enough to give up the title.

[@davideiceman]

@@madeleinegrayson8372 This is true, but at the same she would have likely ended up as an outcast (not only in terms of titles, but also affection).

[@kentvesser9484]

@@davideiceman Yeah, it is kind of a big ask for someone who has grown up accustomed to royal privileges to renounce them. Love conquers all, but it really doesn't in most cases. It sounds a bit like if she did get married and turned down her titles, they would have been a bit of a social pariah in Britain and likely needed go live elsewhere.

[@vidlovr]

Tony wasn't divorced. Whatever other nasty things he had going on (and there were a *lot*!), that's what mattered. He could have been an axe-wielding serial killer who drowned puppies for fun, but he WASN'T DIVORCED!! All that mattered.

[@loliver9660]

The royal family has had the worst luck with marriages. On the one hand, you have the potential marriages that were thwarted to avoid scandal (Margaret and Peter and Charles and Camila). Instead of allowing them to marry who they truly loved, the family put them into disastrous situations that had long term consequences for their mental and physical health and that of others, as well as the stability of the monarchy. In fact, the results caused bigger scandals. On the other hand, once they started letting their family marry who they wanted rather than a person who was more suitable to that environment (Anne and Mark, Andrew and Fergie, and Harry and Meghan) the results were also devastating. It seems like they either get lucky right from the start, like with William and Catherine, Edward, and Sophie, and Elizabeth and Philip, or you unleash mayhem. There's no in between.

[@swordofevilsbane]

That's so true. There seem to have been a lot of bad luck within the Royal Family's marriages and relationships. Even Queen Victoria had to endure decades of a very profound grief, when her beloved Albert died. Love seems to be beyond their reach. I mean, true love and the happiness that comes with it. I'm not even sure whether Elizabeth and Philip had a perfect marriage neither -- behind closed doors and beyond the view of the public eye. I feel bad for the women of the Royal Family. They have been enduring big heartbreak and grief for many generations.

[@Kashish4Eijaz]

How has H and M's marriage lead to devastating results? The couple are happily married with 2 children living a life on their own terms. And the monarchy according to the British media is thriving so that's not a devastating result. Happiness cannot always be measured by the monarchy and its standards. As for Fergie and Mark I think they were fine for the environment it was simple a case of two individuals falling out of love or not being able to cope with the pressures of being a royal partner.

[@loliver9660]

@Kashish4Eijaz Meghan and Harry's marriage is devastating from the standpoint that they routinely air their dirty laundry on international television whenever they need a moment in the spotlight. They badmouth and throw their family under the bus every chance they get even though this is entirely a private family matter. Anything to get people to rally behind them. If they were really happy and living life on their terms, why keep dragging this on? Happy people don't complain about their lives as much as they do. As far as Anne and Mark, maybe they couldn't cope with being royal, but their actions were devastating. Mark had an affair that resulted in a love child, and Fergie got in trouble with the police for attempting to sell Prince Andrew's time to businessmen and foreign officials. I don't see how that isn't devastating in ways beyond affecting the royal institution.

[@ducminhduong9873]

Well, that's just life.

[@emmidjam2307]

How are you so sure William’s and Catherine’s marriage is great? And that Harry’s and Meghan’s is bad?

[@merykhan97]

Every love story the Queen mother muddled with ended in a Tragedy.

[@mukunimulundika5359]

She let her son marry Camilla, let him make her Queen Consort.... Let her daughter re-marry an equerry just as Peter Townsend was. A SLAP of all slaps in her sisters face who was never going to be Queen. She too just wanted to marry the man she loved.

[@commodorezero]

When this decision was made Charles and Anne were children it was not a sure thing that Margaret and her line wouldn't inherit the throne.

[@exaudi33]

Guilt about Margaret and Peter surely informed HM's decision re. Charles and Camilla's marriage -- very good. Guilt over Diana permitted Megan into the fold -- a disaster.

[@commodorezero]

@@exaudi33 The thing with Charles is Elizabeth could have died at any time even in the 2000s and Charles had the leverage of being able to marry Cammila anyway. Elizabeth didn't know she would live until 2022 and probably could have fillibustered the marriage. In her mind she could either say yes or Charles could marry Camilla when he was King.

[@lilyannalina]

To be fair, Princess Anne re married in Scotland

[@cg8397]

​@@lilyannalinaMore importantly, Anne's second husband wasn't divorced.

[@michaelbedinger4121]

Elizabeth should have told them; Margaret has my permission to marry. This meeting is over. Get out of my face!

[@lauramcgowan3740]

Different time back then Elizabeth had 3 of her 4 children divorce ? She ended up doing a very good job !! The swinging 70’s didn’t arrive yet ? Margaret had an unaddressed drinking problem ?

[@TheBiGenderAutisticCollegekid]

yeah I know I hear you loud and clear on this matter. yeah I didn't know that either. but yeah the british people were always in trouble most of the century.

[@michaelbedinger4121]

@@TheBiGenderAutisticCollegekid Good!!!

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Royal Marriages Act, not possible. However, Margo was free to marry Peter as a private citizen. She just wouldn't give up her title, money and tiaras.

[@michaelbedinger4121]

@madeleinegrayson8372 So that was where her heart ❤️ was. Thank you very much for your explanation. Perhaps, it worked out best for everyone concerned, in the long run. Thank you again, take care.

[@ivanahavitoff7308]

Mags chose her status and money over love. Plain and simple.

[@fromthefountofyouth]

True. She had that option and it was presented to her.

[@missytanner3501]

She had little education or skills, that's probably why she stayed

[@patriciaboyd6161]

It was Margret choice not to marry Peter.

[@miserableben7968]

What I find most ridiculous is how much they actually think the country would have cared or been “outraged” by. The queens sister wants to marry ? So what ?!

[@pdawg2716]

They were so out of touch because the only people telling them things were their courtiers. People like Tommy; who were also out of touch. If only they had fired most of the old farts and gotten some new people in

[@miserableben7968]

@@pdawg2716 the royals seemingly get no choice in these courtiers etc so who would be in the position to fire them ?

[@pdawg2716]

@@miserableben7968 the royals. They have no political power. I don’t think anyone in the government really cares how they run their household. Who they pick to be their private secretary is so irrelevant. The courtiers just keep them isolated and lie to make it seem like if they picked their own secretary then the whole monarchy would collapse. If the king fired a bunch of old out of touch courtiers, would anyone really care. I doubt it would even make the news

[@snd7810]

That Queen Mother , the meddler, had lots of ego problems with Mrs Simpson and she built it up in her mind to be determined to avoid any slightest of a scandal for self satisfaction that she is on par with Simpson. That’s why she meddled in everyone’s business. She herself had an arranged marriage, she lost her husband quite early in life and she was so much affected by Edward and Wallis’s relationship that subconsciously she’d hinder happiness of anybody who’d like to marry for love. She meddled with Margaret’s life then separated Charles and Camilla similarly. Had both these people allowed to marry for love in first place alot of drama could have been avoided. Only because Ann’s personality was very strong and by that time Queen Mother the meddler was too old for anything that Ann could remarry for love.

[@merykhan97]

I don't understand. Why couldn't Margaret wait 2 years ?? Elizabeth and Philip had to wait out a 4 year engagement until the king and Queen mother gave in and announced their marriage. 2 years is nothing

[@cherylhulting1301]

Actually that probably would have been for the best, if not easy for Princess Margaret and Townsend.😮

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

She did wait, and then they changed their tune again and said no. But she was free to marry him anytime, she just wouldn't give up the title, money and lifestyle.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

​@@cherylhulting1301they did wait the 2 years, then were told again there was another issue. The 2 years was a ruse to hopefully see them lose interest.

[@lillyess385]

The Queen was a minor at the time 😂

[@Victrola66]

My goodness, as if people outside the palace cared who Margaret married 😂

[@bettiradecker8118]

Yes, some people did care. She should have married the Man, she loved. All of this Bull..that she couldn't marry the one she loved. I feel sorry for her. Now one of the family is king and his affair when he was married is queen. That is a big laugh to me. How could this ever be? Elisabeth s uncle gave up the title because he loved a woman that was already divorced. Margaret couldn't be with the one she loved. And now Charles beeing King even puts his affair as queen. That isn't right at all.

[@rickardnyberg4899]

⁠@@bettiradecker8118 If you defend Margaret, you should defend Charles as well because the exactly same thing happened to them both…. They both was forced into marriages with people they never really loved and was terribly unsuited with… The ONLY reason is that Charles was the heir and Margaret wasn’t…. After the Church of England changed their statutes to allow divorced people with living former spouses to remarry AND after The Queen Mother died in 2002, things got much much easier for The Royal Family…… Wonder why 😉 The Queen Mother didn’t even think twice to destroy the happiness of her children and grandchildren…. The only reason why QEII got away lightly is because she outranked her mother

[@jasonkoch3182]

The queen mother and Tommy both had little understanding of how society had changed. Every decision they made reflected their fears of another abdication. They had no understanding that societies view of divorce had dramatically changed after the war. The Church of England and parliament were both behind the times, too. Eden, a divorced man, couldn’t get the cabinet to accept Margaret’s potential marriage to a divorced man. The church wouldn’t relent. Yet if the people had been polled, it’s likely they would have overwhelmingly supported the marriage.

[@bevleighlange3312]

The Queen Mother was a domineering woman - thought she was still THE QUEEN.I never thought much of her -

[@WayneGray-m6e]

Thank you for posting this! Wayne P Gray in NYC

[@jesicaguth1935]

Yet with all her power she never changed anything

[@ayaretgonzalez27078]

But not Philips multiple affairs they didn’t damage the monarchy these people are a joke

[@gregkenning9238]

Some he "inherited" from his Mountbatten uncle.

[@abehambino]

The difference is legitimization.

[@luisgerena9744]

Amber essay brownies Davison is the most important 0:29

[@tarawrr20]

The more I’ve learned about the Queen Mother the more I disliked her. She always seemed to butt her nose in where it didn’t belong.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

She knew how tenuous their legitimacy was, how easily the people could turn against them. It was her job to protect the crown. And Lascelles' job to advise them all.

[@TataruTaru]

Omg, its Pip Torrens!

[@ltdowney]

I feel like people would’ve been a lot more sympathetic, even back then, to Margaret and Peter than they are to Charles and Camilla today, I know I am.

[@carlhicksjr8401]

Peter Townsend had significant deficits as suitor for a royal princess even if you discount that he was divorced. He was temperamental and impulsive and often indiscreet. And he never did grasp that radio and television had made the Royals first-story news 24/7. There could be no quiet weekends out of the public eye and many of the 'low traditions' of the nobility no longer applied. For example, there could be no discreet affairs for either of them after Margaret had supplied the 'heir and a spare'. He simply couldn't accept that a member of the House of Windsor had the least private private life in the Western world. Yes, Queen Mary and Tommy Lascelles use every trick in the book, both over- and underhanded, to keep Margaret and Peter Townsend from marrying. On the one hand it was a lousy thing to do to a daughter you love. On the other hand, Townsend would have been a disaster for the Royal Family in the wake of The Eddie And Wally Show.

[@antmagor]

I would’ve made Tommy leave the room. If this was to be treated as a family matter, I would let it be treated as such, but I’d be damned if I was gonna let him think that this was his show to run and not mine. I understand somethings he was right about but I have a hard time believing some of the shenanigans he pulled to undermine her(his sovereign), is anything he would’ve done had she been a man. I know some will turn around and say but her uncle, her uncle was in communication with the enemy. A radically different situation.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

He was private secretary to four monarchs. He knew more about the rules, history and protocol here than all of the women in that family combined. He gave most of his life to serving the crown with unwavering loyalty. He absolutely belonged there and the Queen mother asked him to be there.

[@minerva8906]

On hindsight come on, Margaret knew the implications what happened to her uncle. Come on the Q was just the victim in the middle 🙄 n the QM could hv clarified directly w her younger daughter

[@coopercrane8164]

I think its incredible that Tommy immediately corrects the queen and doesn't even let her continue. From a legal standpoint and being accurate to the letter of the law, the Royal Marriages Act DOES count the lineage from George the Second, so she's right in bringing him up first. Although George III did propose it, it was George the II from which the lineage of who the law applied to. What an asshole.

[@monmothma3358]

There's no way "The Monarchy" is worth that. I say cut their privileges, and give them their freedom.

[@abehambino]

She had that option from day one. No one is forced to retain their title. Even the monarch can renounce their title.

[@hothotheat3000]

Hold up, Tommy said two brothers named WILLIAM and HENRY. One married a shrew and the other a jade. My my my🤣🤣

[@hothotheat3000]

Tommy was a SOLDIER.

[@mjremy2605]

Really sad. Poor Margaret. Her whole family plotted to make her unhappy. If you cannot have love, that elusive thing that visits you maybe once in a lifetime, what use is life? This is a sadistic and barbaric choice for Margaret. Either give up the man she loves, or marry him and walk off into the unknown without any support from her family. A truly draconian choice, leaving her permanently unhappy and angry. All that money and look at the rottenness underneath.

[@rickardnyberg4899]

And the same thing would happen to Charles 28 years later…. Somehow things got much easier after The Queen Mother died in 2002…. Wonder why 😉

[@AkireMaru]

Making her unhappy was considerably NOT the goal.

[@cherylhulting1301]

Everyone here is presenting more background to suggest that the Queen and Prime Minister were actually trying to help her. It was Margaret who decided that Townsend wasn't worth giving up her place in the succession.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Poor Margaret could have married Peter anytime as a free citizen. She just wouldn't give up the title, money and perks. That's not love.

[@minerva8906]

i dunno why i love this actress playing the QM compared to the upcoming 2. esp the last one was worst

[@iwasglad122]

I couldn't agree more - the casting of Marcia Warren was a real mistake. She's a wonderful actress but totally wrong for the part of the QM.

[@Cy93]

The first and last one were the best imo. The second one the worst.

[@Screw.Hairy.Pothead.666]

I remember Tommy saying "One married to a Jezebel" not "One married to a Jade" am i missing something?

[@MS-Melas]

Jezebel said the Queen Mother about Wallis Simpson, the Duchess of Windsor.

[@corydestein3160]

Assuming that was Tommy’s first encounter with the Queen Mother that day, shouldn’t he have bowed his head?

[@lux_oriens]

The Queen Mother is a badass

[@giorgioroyaume8815]

Però, quando compì 25 anni...Le fu impedito ugualmente 😁

[@MARIE-JOSEVILL]

Si on fait le bilan de l'action d'Elisabeth dans le domaine des mariages dans sa famille, on peut dire qu'elle y a semé le chaos.

[@theanimeboy9953]

Why tf did people care who these royal people marry anyways, youd think they didnt have anything more important to worry about in their lives lmao. What's more important to ask is why is there even a monarchy in this day and age?

[@elagabalusrex390]

Because the British people tolerate it for for some reason. I don't get it either - on that note, the U.S. isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but at least its founders got rid of all that pretentious wasteful b.s.

[@pdawg2716]

The people didn’t care. The monarchy was just so out of touch thinking that anyone gave a crap who they married

[@MiguelGarcia-hl5jo]

If I were the QUEEN I would’ve amended that…. What’s the difference 23…25???

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

She can't amend the Royal Marriages Act. That was passed by Parliament.

[@michaelmarzano2759]

Tommy and Queen Mother undermined the Queen and her future. Queen Mum just couldn’t help herself, meddling and Machiavellian to the core. The Queen should have sent her to live in Scotland and only visit her occasionally there.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Tommy was a loyal servant to the Crown and one of the best advisors they ever had. He served under 4 monarchs and took his duties very seriously.

[@michaelmarzano2759]

@@madeleinegrayson8372 he did, but to the detriment of many. Margaret should have married Townsend, Prince Philip more authority, Queen Mother to completely butt out!

[@libriansana8562]

These unjust things follow you... Its the truth... Look what happened to her four children

[@lindaborgert589]

Only 3 of the 4. Edward and Sophie are still married.

[@libriansana8562]

@@lindaborgert589 oh good

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Margo was free to marry Peter, she just refused to give up her title and perks. That ain't love.

[@lillyess385]

She should have banished the Queen Mom to Scotland.

[@ej3016]

nope cause it wouldn’t have lasted - Margaret would have had to become a private citizen and lose her privileges as a Royal (read her $$$ and deferences) can anyone really seeing this marriage being “happily ever after”

[@Ariana-wv4pf]

Yes, if they loved eachother.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Then she didn't love him. Pretty simple.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

​@@Ariana-wv4pfagreed. Everyone overlooks that. Margo could have married Peter anytime, but she wouldn't give up the title and money. So it was never love.

[@JohnThomas-xl2ro]

Can we all just agree the Queen Mother was the absolute worst?

[@rachelcastillo1742]

This family is to COMPLICATED.

[@ultimatespidybawlz2198]

She probably would have drank and smoke less if she was happy with Peter

[@shubhuful]

. Only the half truth they told her....

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Margaret could have married Peter anytime. She just didn't want to give up the title, money, and servants. Boo hoo. If you really love someone, none of that matters.

[@eyesofibad2461]

Why should someone have to give up their birthright to marry someone? Doesnt sound very rational.

[@danielle-g3k]

Because she only knew the royal life.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

@@danielle-g3k oh please, lol. Then that wa sher choice, to stay "royal" versus being with someone she allegedly loved.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

@@eyesofibad2461 who cares, anyone with a soul would choose love over tiaras, lol. Her life as a royal was MISERABLE, and she regretted it every day of her life later on.

[@williamphillips6049]

These people put up with more bull than anything they could've imposed on anyone else.

[@bettiradecker8118]

They could have changed it. But they preferred the life they all lived. No mercy from me

[@williamphillips6049]

@@bettiradecker8118 I don't have any regard for Monarchism. It's only slightly educational seeing how much work all this crapp is.

[@mrm64]

GAWD I couldn't stand Tommy smh...

[@tatata1543]

What an absolutely anachronistic joke the UK is. They actually spend time discussing drivel like this as if it’s important.

[@maryduhon9769]

So that's how the world got meghan

[@proserpine8857]

"The integrity of the Royal family" like anyone gives a f*ck

[@lesleymaner2851]

Then it was a big deal to many British

[@magzb2642]

See how Charles and Harry married divorced woman..that's going well😮😮 stick to the rules chaps..marry who you want and stand down. Margaret should have done that but she was a Leo.. royal by nature..

[@remiremsar5946]

Isn't Harry about to resign his royal privileges?

[@thecro2060]

Charles' marriage to Camilla is completely fine and has shown no problems

[@danielle-g3k]

@@thecro2060except for the breakdown of relationships between father and sons.

[@vss1232]

the church based on the values of henry the 8th isn't good for anyone 😂

[@ctormin]

This is so silly and pointless

[@amjh4lah809]

2nd 😊

[@Me-fo1kk]

Lascelles was such a prick. Margaret marrying Townsend would have been a godsend. The public loved Margaret so much. They would have said thats how its done love. Up ya jumper mate.

[@cg8397]

She was allowed to marry him, but had to give up her place in the line of succession. Anything else would be hypocrisy, Edward and Wallis were still alive and would've called out the Royal Family about their double standards.

[@Me-fo1kk]

@@cg8397 I think in the end things would have worked out. Margaret was a bit like diana. Margaret knew her life wasn't going anywhere anyway. She said so herself. Im second. You're first.

[@cherylhulting1301]

​@@cg8397Good point.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Lascelles was the best thing to happen to that family. He served under 4 monarchs with unwavering loyalty. He was a soldier who fought in the war and put his duties as a private secretary to a monarch above all else. He was strong, educated, loyal and that's why he was called upon for so many years to advice them all. Margaret was free to marry Peter, she just wouldn't give up the title, money and perks. That's not love. BTW, it's said Lascelles was a devoted husband and father to his 3 children. So no, not a prick. But she was a selfish, money loving hypocrite.

[@Me-fo1kk]

@@madeleinegrayson8372 still a prick

[@RoseRedd-k4b]

1772? Who cares. Different time back then, people didn't even live that long back then. She should have ignored that law and let Margaret marry Peter. She destroyed her sisters life. God siblings are so annoying sometimes.

[@cherylhulting1301]

The Queen can't ignore ecclesiastical and parliamentary law. She ruled as a constitutional monarch.

[@nicolarosini448]

Yet the rules got changed for Charles. Funny that!

[@Fedderchini]

Don’t forget ELIZABETHS UNCLE couldn’t marry either THE QUEEN CHNged it later

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Yes, it's called learning from prior disasters, finally. And?

[@just-tess]

what awful people

[@智美伊東-d5h]

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[@rickheady2298]

They ruined margrets life

[@rickheady2298]

@@hazelmccloy1136 no she dint they did the British establishment is a joke

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

No, she did that to herself. She was free to marry Peter, as a free citizen. She just didn't love him more than her title, money and tiaras. 😂

[@智美伊東-d5h]

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[@智美伊東-d5h]

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[@kyprosalbakri8963]

Why people like this show?

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

Because it was brilliant.

[@rickheady2298]

They should of minded there dam business about what margret did or what the queen did

[@jeroen3468]

How did you spell so many words wrong in one sentence

[@hutch1197]

@@jeroen3468 He posted 3 comments on this thread. Not one without glaring spelling errors.

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

You don't get how anything works there eh? She was free to marry Peter. She just wouldn't give up her title, money and tiaras.

[@rickheady2298]

That’s why here in America, we threw the monarchy out. We don’t answer to nobody no king or no president Church of England a joke call that freedom of religion. Yeah, it’s really freedom of religion.

[@hutch1197]

Yeah, except the Evangelicals in America are doing everything in their power to put their religious beliefs into our laws. And in many states, they're succeeding. Freedom of religion shouldn't mean your right to impose your own religion on others. So, in a way, the Evangelicals are doing the same thing in America that the Church of England did back then. Also, we didn't throw the monarchy out over freedom of religion. We threw them out because we wanted to run our own commerce and taxes without the King imposing his will on us.

[@CMOT101]

Bollox. Seppos are the most deluded fools

[@falconeshield]

Okay dude we're not in the 90s anymore. The evangelists are trying to take over your home!

[@rickheady2298]

@@hutch1197 I ask for you’re opinion that’s right no I dint the Church of England is a joke

[@madeleinegrayson8372]

It's adorable that you believe that.

[@智美伊東-d5h]

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