Discussing Theories with Alt Schwift X

[@Glidus]

If you are looking for the other streams, they're in this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLwT1VTv9kS_bGpwjsrTpi4oiESvh1TyxO Hi! Thanks for tuning in, and big thanks to Alt Schwift X for making this the most fun I've ever had on stream. Theory chat starts at 2:17 and ends at 3:09:21 so if that's all you're here for there you go. The following hour of the stream is me hanging out, answering non-ASoIaF related questions, and making some music. Stick around if you want to steer into the parasocial relationship but there's not much book talk in there.

[@Adam_okaay]

Well all of us here after the fact are American and we caught the piano playing already. Which was phenomenal bee tee dubs.

[@hillbillypowpow]

Absolutely Killin it with these streams. How long until the first video in the Animorphs lore series gets posted?

[@Cobalt360Degrees]

Who was the composer mentioned at 3:41:30? I couldn't catch it both times D:

[@Glidus]

@@Cobalt360Degrees I was talking about Koji Kondo and the VOD skips a bit ;__;

[@Ajbolt89]

Your self-aware comment there at the end hits hard. Somehow it’s like you really understand us… damn you’re good.

[@UkrainianCoder]

Rhaegar was a bit self-obsessed, wasn’t he? “There is red comet in the sky. Surely must be connected to the fact I just had sex”

[@gellertgrindelwald4238]

"I will require sword and armor. It seems I must be a warrior." That's the fucking pinnacle of self confidence right there lol. My guy over here read about the Prince That Was Promised and immediately thought it referred to himself 😂

[@MalpheusTheMalefic]

@@gellertgrindelwald4238 Weird thing was that he was right too.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@MalpheusTheMalefic he wasn’t tho? He wasn’t TPTWP and him being a warrior wasn’t necessary to him getting Lyanna pregnant at all

[@Stanzaawashere]

the cum comet. the cumet, if you will

[@a.a677]

@@MalpheusTheMalefic we don't know if he was right or wrong yet

[@darmokandjalad7786]

Very timely of George to deliver a critique of feudalism in 1996.

[@striker8961]

To be fair fantasy has very much fetishised monarchy and feudalism

[@HOTD108_]

@@striker8961 If you think GRRM is trying to make feudalism look cool, then you haven't been paying attention.

[@striker8961]

@@HOTD108_ … that’s exactly the opposite of what I said

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

@@HOTD108_bro missed the assignment 😭

[@lostalone9320]

GRRM isn't trying to make feudal monarchy look good or bad - He is trying to make it look how it really was. Historic people weren't idiots - Feudal monarchy is just about the only pre-modern form of government that actually works. That's why it is almost universal to pre-modern societies. The only times we see anything even vaguely approaching democracy, it only exists in very very small areas (Athens and Rome) and even then they collapse pretty quickly into non-democracy. The reason why feudal monarchy works, by the way, is because it creates a structure of law and property that is intuitive to humans. It's seldom fair, and not really justice, but at least there are rules based around ownership. And honestly that's enough for your society for a long chunk of development. The fact that monarchy is only as good as the monarch is obvious, but then monarchs tends to average out over time too. And most of the time bad kings are a problem for lords, not peasants. Peasants barely notice who is king, and kings are so disinterested in peasants that they seldom bother to tyrannize them directly. Feudalism is certainly very pre-modern, and obviously won't work in a society that is no longer agrarian. But when most of society is engaged in creating food, feudalism makes more sense than anything else. Consider - What else is even plausible when information moves extremely slowly and the most important thing is not making the right decision, but ensuring some decision is made? The great problem of democracy even in the modern era is ensuring the electorate have the information they need to render decent decisions. Before the modern period, when practically no-one could read and practically no-one had time to think about politics, this is untenable. The only democracies we see are heavily qualified franchises where the elected leaders were elected by and from the ruling classes. The only time that popular democracy was tried (Rome) it led to the ruling classes persistently murdering the pleb leaderships. If you can't democracy you can't be socialist or syndicalist, you can't even really be a fascist dictator. So all pre-moderns plump for some form of monarchy because you are stuck in a non-representative form of government and property rights are the default way to sort things out. Feudalism is the worst form of government, but since there is almost literally no other form of government available then it's also the best and only option. At least in feudalism, your society knows who the next king is supposed to be.

[@Nick94956]

The lack of responses to Schwift's crayon letters isn't because George is ignoring him. It's because he's adding every single thing from those letters to the books. That's why the books are taking so long too

[@HisameArtwork]

I also hope NetFlix is listening and when they reboot they race swap Craster to chinese :))

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

​@@HisameArtworkNo, that's just The Grey Wastes

[@heathlouis4529]

"I'm sniffing what you're shitting" had me in fucking tears

[@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686]

Best response to when someone says something objectively stupid or dangerous but you agree regardless

[@PhileasLiebmann]

1:16:34 I lowkey love the idea that the Crannogmen are just trolling the whole of Westeros with a castle that doesn't exist

[@yetipotato8567]

Yes, something like that. I thinn Greywater Watch is someting like a ring of tents deep in the swamp that is mowed as the swamp moves/changes

[@BattyButtercup]

A floating castle isn't COMPLETELY out of the architectural capabilities of the First Men, in the Age of Heroes or by the many Brans Stark, so it's not as unlikely as one would think. That said, it's somewhat plausible that the crannogmen live alongside CoTF (like the Green Men of the Isle of Faces do) & tree wizardry is involved with Howland's Moving Castle.

[@Luke-nn4pm]

Its a big boat

[@SpiralSine6]

“hehehe, these stupid Andals don’t know castles don’t move.”

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

Huge house boat anybody?

[@siljapeters2836]

“I got a corpse, I got a child, I know how this recipe works” Cant wait to hear that soundbite in the season 5 pisstake

[@boogitywoogity248]

The way the revival for Jon makes the most sense, is that Melisandre is doing what she always does, and is doing a ritual she hardly understands and is sacrificing shareen to resurrect azor ahai, she believes that’s stannis, however she does the ritual burns shareen, and Jon wakes up. Jon is changed, more violent, hateful, but he still has a moral compass, and he’s angry that he’s alive now. He views his own life as a curse because an innocent child was burned to resurrect him.

[@brainbirdtm]

Oh my god yeah this would be fucking amazing. I'd eat that shit up in a heartbeat compared to the laughable way it was handled in the show where it basically didn't change him at all or change the story in any meaningful way.

[@ashscott6068]

The way that makes the most sense, is that it doesn't happen, and he's just dead and he stays that way

[@ripbobsaget6953]

@@ashscott6068 very true, I also hate magic in my high fantasy and definitely think it doesn’t make sense in a world with dragons and people who can meld minds with wolves. Resurrection IMO is a step too far. What’s next? Giants? Zombies? Don’t make me laugh

[@c.f.bellairs1055]

@@ripbobsaget6953 I know, right? Next someone's gonna be asking for a conclusion to the story. It's fantasy, people, temper your expectations.

[@IoIo-en3bt]

@@ripbobsaget6953 To be frank, he didn't say anything about magic, so maybe he meant it in a thematic way.

[@Achi1187]

Alt Shift X was how I learned. Glidus is how I cope

[@juwankane5150]

Alt Shift X ruined the show. He took it from something I liked a lot to something I invested spare time in outside of just watching the show. He made me love everything about Westeros. Then Dumb & Dumber ruined it and Glidus made it ok because I could laugh at it. I am so here for the collabs

[@thalljoben3551]

THIS !

[@johnnygreenface]

At least it's not AltShiftX. That guy is a real piece of work, I swear.

[@tokevarvaspolvi8999]

I hope this stays just between you and me, but I'm pretty sure Alt Shift X threw my dog into a wood chipper. Never trust that guy, he's a total creep.

[@johnnygreenface]

@@tokevarvaspolvi8999 he did a similar thing with me! I was reading my copy of "A Dance with Dragons" when he "just so happened" to be chopping down a large tree right on top of me. Or when I was racing down the highway at 150 MPH and he had painted a Cliffside to look like a tunnel. That no good son of a gun.

[@SpiralSine6]

Pretty sure he’s the evil twin, but that’s just a theory.

[@edburt9067]

I heard that AltShiftX once stole an ice cream straight out of a kids hand, didn't eat it and instead threw it straight at a cat. The dude is evil.

[@tokevarvaspolvi8999]

@@SpiralSine6 a GAAAAMMME theory?

[@Adam_okaay]

02:21:30 man the amount of theories that are like "Petyr was the mastermind behind Rhaegar running off with Lyanna, and the stuff happening afterwards." Like FFS 15 year old Petyr was not a political player in Westeros.

[@evannesbitt7852]

He does not have to be a political mastermind to have quickly thought up a lie in the moment he could use for his benefit.

[@Adam_okaay]

@@evannesbitt7852 I didn't call him a mastermind, I'm referring to theories that think he orchestrated the entire basis for the plot of the books.

[@evannesbitt7852]

@@Adam_okaay you specifically refuted that he was which at that point he wasn't but one lie is not invalid because of his age

[@Adam_okaay]

@@evannesbitt7852 what "one lie" are you talking about? I'm not refuting Petyr telling "one lie." Brandon Stark found out about Lyanna and Rhaegar on his way to meet up with his father and the Northern wedding party. Petyr is comatose at this point, and how would Petyr even find out about Lyanna? Who gave him this information? Why would he seemingly be the only one who knows she ran off rather than being abducted? Because everyone's general consensus is that she was abducted. That's not "one lie." He's an insignificant 15 year old, and there's no reason for him to have any information on Lyanna or Rhaegar before anyone else.

[@buddyfats4768]

@@Adam_okaay It has nothing to do with him being a mastermind, He wasn't like "haha im going to start a war so I can into power". It was more like let me convince the hot headed Brandon who just kicked my ass to do something stupid like try to fight Rhaegar and get himself killed.

[@TheArccam]

Wait so Schwift X and Shift X are the same person?. Ha what's next, Rhaegar is the Night King!

[@sirocco2810]

Naaah, the former is a baseless theory, the latter is an irrefutable truth.

[@voltairethegoldflame9280]

That Shift X guy is an asshole... not possible

[@James-we9ro]

Shift-X + Schwift-X = Internet historian

[@TheArccam]

@@James-we9ro LOL

[@tite93]

Sounds like bs to me

[@IntermissionForBunny]

I'd like to imagine that Rhaegar realizing he wasn't Azor Ahai played out like Breaking Bad, when Hank figured out Walt was Heisenberg. Rhaegar's on the toilet, reading an ancient scroll of prophecy, and reads that AA will actually be his son. And then farts loudly.

[@wafl423]

LYANNA LYANNA WE GOT TO FUCK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT ROBERT

[@henrikfitch4017]

He's lying on the banks of the Trident looking up as the camera pans out slowly. "Baby Blue" starts playing

[@willbeard4835]

Schwifty not knowing the boots reference really threw glidus off that was hilarious

[@Glidus]

he was *in that video* >:'(

[@willbeard4835]

@@Glidus the pain in your voice when you realized he wasn't joking.... 😂😂😂

[@poppag8281]

@@Glidus I thought that was internet historian?

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

Timestamp?

[@willbeard4835]

@@woahblackbettybamalam 36:45 or just after. Your glidus lore knowledge must be strong to get it tho

[@zaraandrews600]

I just imagine Sam one day blowing the horn and, being so far away, as no idea that he has just caused the wall to collapse.

[@lolledopke]

How fast does magic travel? Is it instantaneous? Speed of sound?

[@SergioMendoza760]

@@lolledopkeI always assumed it was more or less instant. I imagined it more like you blow the horn of winter than a massive earthquake or something brings the wall crumbling down in the north. Even then though magic is used so sparingly in a song of ice and fire I feel like bringing down the wall isn’t as simple as just blowing the horn, I feel like they gotta do a ritual or something to go along with it.

[@realityisenough]

​@lolledopke depending on the magic, somewhere between the speed of sound of speed of light

[@gelatinousjoe7979]

I just reread ACOK and he actually does try to blow the horn but it doesn’t make any sound. It would’ve been hilarious if the wall just fell then and there without any buildup.

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

“Oh no, Oldtown’s under attack! I’ll rally my father’s nearby army with the horn I repaired!” *meanwhile* “Why is the wall crumbling *after* we killed the traitor?! Who’s mad at us now?!”

[@BlackCampariBlue]

"GoT is pretty Anime" - I would actually love an animated version of GoT! I think the medium of animation grants so many possibilities. The actors won't age, so you can make many many seasons to get into the more detailed side plots. You can capture the whole magic system, the landscapes and world in a fantastic way. You can create over the top drama (see: Anime) and illustrate all the complicated emotions and struggles from the characters without the limitations of "real" human facial expressions. It would be great, would totally be in for it!

[@L0wallyn]

This would honestly slap and gain the attention of the whole world. Like the anime version of XMen that came out a few years ago but cranked up to 11. Actually, now that I remember, I’ve seen some fanart of Arya Stark/The Hound on their adventures in a manga style, and goddamn did it look fucking rad.

[@TheBc99]

and you can pull off inner monologues way easier in anime

[@thisguy8106]

It was called The Witcher 3 Killing Monster Cinematic Trailer (if you don't trust clicking the link, which I understand) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWHMaWuqZbCUmdU

[@Glidus]

I have been saying this for years. Not even necessarily Anime, maybe any animated style. Allows for so much more of the imaginative elements of ASoIaF and the immense scope of the story. I don't know if Brienne in AFfC would have worked in GoT, but in an animated show I see it fitting perfectly.

[@jeremyfisher42]

The only issue I see with this idea is that every viewer has to watch cartoons fuck

[@TheMightofDab]

10:40 I don't think Young Griff *knows* he's a blackfire, if he is indeed one. He's spent a lot of time with Jon, and Jon definitely thinks Aegon is the son of Rhaegar. I don't think Aegon, a child, would have been able to keep the secret for so long.

[@AllTheArtsy]

The only thing we can know for sure about Young Griff is he cannot possibly be Aegon, Rhaegar and Elia's son. Because for that to work must mean that Varys knew how Aegon was going to die. Because their story is that he was switched with another baby and was stolen away from the castle, right? Conveniently, Gregor Clegane smashed Aegon's head against the wall and his skull was a bloody ruin. But what if they had somehow not been harmed? What is Jaime actually stood guard for them? What if the babes were killed a different way? People know what the royal children looked like. You can't just exchange a royal prince with any other baby and no one would know.

[@lostalone9320]

Babies all look pretty similar, and the royal babies were seen by very very few people. And all of those people have no reason to ever say that Aegon is still alive, even if they suspect it. Firstly, Robert will have you killed for talking that jive. Secondly, Robert will definitely have any vaguely Targy kids killed. So if you weren't a Bobby B fan, you probably don't talk about the possibility that a legitimate heir is out there. As long as Robert took the throne at all it doesn't matter what happened to the kids. Even if they were exiled, Varys can arrange for whoever to take their place once they are off in Pentos or whatever.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

I just assumed that Howland Reed's "moving castle" is omnly moving because it's a tent and the crannogmen are nomads.

[@jordanthomas7702]

Howl's Moving Castle springs to mind?

[@striker8961]

Oh my fucking god how have none of us realised this before… up there with Elmo

[@overlookers]

either that or it's Fevre Dream

[@YggdrasilAudio]

@@overlookers Ah, like a houseboat or a floating island?

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

Tenochtitlan, but its supports can be undone so the city can float.

[@Cobalt360Degrees]

2:24:56 Fun/possibly not fun fact, depending on your tastes, but there is such a thing called 'perpetual stew', which is a medieval thing of having a soup that is constantly just above the cooking temperature to kill off bacteria that ingredients are routinely added to, usually served in inns and such, I guess as a way to always have a meal ready for customers coming in at any time of day. So uuhhh if that place in Flea Bottom gets a decent amount of business, there may be some perpetual stew hangin' out there that Slint and the Septon could've eventually ended up in together. There are apparently stews that were kept up for decades or even a century, if some tales are to be believed.

[@MiquellaMyLove]

This is definitely true and in some countries (india for example), there are stews that have been brewing for 30 years or more!

[@taylorgayhart9497]

I’m gonna puke… also their immune system must have been so much better than ours!! 🤣

[@CoRLex-jh5vx]

@@taylorgayhart9497 the second people figured out cooking stuff kills bacteria, every drop of sense went out the window

[@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686]

@@CoRLex-jh5vx but it literally kills the bacteria and makes it safe.

[@paulbryden4006]

@@taylorgayhart9497 yeah cos that stew would dismantle my system 😂

[@vosluc7991]

If the both of you did a podcast, it'd be the single piece of media I would ever consume. Love the both of you

[@Mehdz03]

Love my Aussie dudes

[@allisonstarr6074]

Re: appearances changing, I think Dany is pretty interesting to talk about when you consider how she ends up bald after the dragons are born. Babies are usually bald when they’re born. She’s been metaphorically reborn. It even makes sense in terms of her book arcs. Clash is “okay, now what?” Storm is “Hey, this sucks and let’s change it.” Dance is “aw Man, having a job is hard.”

[@enbyglitch]

"The books don't explicitly say that Craster isn't Chinese" is peak asoiaf discussion, we can call it here folks

[@megamovieman101]

“Jon... I’ve got some exposition for youuuu!” “I don’t wun it” This is so damn funny for some reason 😂

[@ryszardsikora6894]

Maybe it's because it incorporates one of the three lines of dialogue Jon has in season 8

[@laurenbastin8849]

it would honestly actually be pretty interesting if Faegon was just some random Lysene boy that Varys just picked up and brainwashed into believing he was a Targaryen

[@BattyButtercup]

It would be cooler/hilarious if he WAS related to Dany... in that BOTH OF THEM have the same, distantly "Valyrian" (via-escaped-slaves, NOT dragonriding kings or whatevs) grandmum. I like the idea of Viserys stealing himself a new baby sister while on-the-run because he was sad and lonely, with poor grandmum left behind going "why do andals keep stealing my grandkids" and starting a pirate gang to "save the babies of Essos from conniving Targaryen upstarts".

[@WK-47]

Varys probably does that once a month just to keep some secret Targaryens up his sleeve for the job security.

[@drachna]

It would be better if he is actually Aegon, but Dany burns him anyway, then finds out what she's done afterwards.

[@striker8961]

@@drachna and he’s actually fire proof! YEAH!!!! …. Probably not

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss, Go take over westeros - Varys

[@Jaqen-HGhar]

Regarding the horn of winter, the magic on the tombs of the Stark kings is supposed to keep their spirits inside their tomb. It's why Ned is concerned when some of the older ones are crumbling and the swords have broken which means the magic would be broken and their spirits could escape. The reason he brought Lyanna's bones and had her statue built was so her spirit could be brought there. That's why it's extra dumb what happened in S8 of the show because if boots couldn't break through the wooden box then the Stark kings shouldn't be able to break through the magical seals of the stone tombs. The Night King only broke the wall with an ice dragon not with magic.

[@TemariNaraannaschatz]

Something I also never saw mentioned was the fact that the hand Ser Alliser brought south stopped moving once it started rotting. Considering GRRM usual realstic take on fantasy things, whights shouldn't be able to move as skeltons anymore because they lack muscle tissue. The old bodies would have turned to dust and the newer onse are skeletons because they had to be brought north first, so technically there should not be any moving bodies in those crypts if the other would try to awaken them. Skeletons aren't exactly known to be strong, even if they have magic holding them together muscles.

[@mschell8022]

Preston Jacobs brought up the question of "where is the Stark army?" once. The Stark army is in those goddamn tombs, thats why we haven't seen it yet.

[@weir9996]

One thing about the three betrayals, is that Dany always assumes she will be betrayed. The phrasing that she will "know" three betrayals could easily have her doing the betraying

[@Haedox]

hiking up a mountain to this rn

[@Glidus]

king shit

[@Sneakymnms]

Banging my super hot and totally real girlfriend to this rn 🔥😂👌

[@2nd3rd1st]

falling off a mountain to this rn

[@Andreas-mi4li]

Dumping out to this rn

[@sirocco2810]

@@Andreas-mi4li Dumping out for 4 hours ? Based.

[@Adam-eu5hi]

watch the last 50 minutes for beautiful piano playing with a finally of jenny's song and Gludus playing an outro.

[@Texmechs]

How do you feel about 101 Dalmatians? Was if realistic?

[@Adam-eu5hi]

​@@Texmechs and what's that got to do wish the price of chips

[@LordProtectorPepper]

I really love the idea that bran the builder was also a greenseer and that's why they Filled the crypts from the bottom up, he had seen the future and knew exactly how much space was required

[@bluecat1462]

On the moon-meteor theory: I don’t think that a magical space rock is *going* to hit Westeros. Rather, I think that it *already has.* Specifically: 600 years ago, at Hardhome. Recalling , 1. A magical “fire,” so large that it’s light could be seen all the way from the wall. Described in the text as looking as though the sun were rising from that direction. 2. Ash described as darkening the sky, and that remand in the air for well after a year in its aftermath.

[@DavidLightbringer]

Hey fellas thanks so much for the great discussion on my beloved moon meteors, it was a lot of fun to listen to y’all kick it around. And I want to echo what Alt Shift said about how a future meteor event will be perceived; it should be described and understood in mythical terms; a second sun rising in the west or north; a great terrifying dragon or cosmic sword; bleeding stars and the like. Perhaps a maester will pipe up at some point like Cressen explaining the comet to Shireen, but the main thing is that the sun will be hidden and fire will fall from the sky. Anyway you represented my ideas very well so thank you! And yes the big simple prediction is that the upcoming LN will be caused by a meteor / comet event involving the moon. Cheers 🥂

[@poliestotico]

Gosh I love this ASOIAF Ideas ecosystem. Mad respect for yall 3.

[@edwinbrown7179]

I always figured Greywater Watch was not really a castle or at least not a large completely stone structure. Like the crannogmen don't seem to me the type to build a large stone fortress especially on deep marshland. I always figured it was like a floating town in a bog or lake that if needed could be moved or just taken apart and placed somewhere else. Almost like a very small scale Tenochtitlan without the permanent stone buildings. The crannogmen probably don't have large population groups that live together but small isolated marsh villages.

[@WK-47]

Pretty solid theory. IRL crannogs were partly defensive in function. The replica on Loch Tay in Scotland gives you the sense of a smallish portable structure basically using a lake as a massive natural moat.

[@brad77795]

@@WK-47 Jed

[@allykazam3268]

2:42:41 what if the reforged “Ice” is the sword that becomes the flaming “Lightbringer”? Then it would fit with the “song of ice and fire” theme

[@helenrose5383]

What if Undead Jon has white hair and red eyes? Then he'll look like Ghost. Cat now has those features.

[@sglauney]

this what ive been saying

[@jacobenke7936]

There are some native american myths (mentioned in that series with the sparkly emo vampires) that talk about the spirit of a man being trapped in an animal and that's where werewolves come from. Ghost shifts into white haired red eyed Jon and the Others steal Jon's actual body. Confirmed.

[@sglauney]

@@jacobenke7936 please let grrm see and write this it would still be better than seasons 5-8

[@danipie09]

that could also help him legitimize his targ heritege to dany when the time comes

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

Jon Snow twinning with his stepmom/aunt who hates him and his Direwolf 😂

[@DwRockett]

1:32:07 this idea of the “sword of the evening” is the funniest fucking concept, and I love it so much

[@lostalone9320]

Man, it feels like a missed opportunity that "The Late Lord Frey" was never referred to as "The sword of the late afternoon" because HE NEVER SHOWS UP ON TIME.

[@DukeDukeGo]

I fell asleep the first 2 times watching this. Now I've finally managed to stay awake long enough to learn the secret knowledge of Viserys being resurrected. It honors you to keep secret what George told you in confidence, even by using sleeping magic on your video

[@bryanb2886]

melisandre is a pisces is not a theory i expected to hear discussed lol

[@Parhelion2]

I’ve been watching theory videos for a year now and this is the first time I’d heard George called “girm” and that is so funny

[@alexrockas3704]

5D chess theory right here: the nights watch is the horn of winter cause they’re “the horn that wakes the sleepers”

[@maggiecramer8154]

Why do I low-key like it

[@willbrymer8441]

I LOVE the idea that the children of the forest and the first men collaborated and built the Horn of Winter. But what if the Horn of Winter doesn't necessarily "bring the Wall down" by an earthquake or something cataclysmic but instead it just nullifies the magic woven into the Wall(and possibly other castles ie: Winterfell or Storms End) and then makes the wall vulnerable to attack from the Others. Another thing.....you mentioned the Iron swords taken from the crypts of Winterfell.....what if....WHAT IF when the swords were taken, like you suggest, the ghosts weren't locked in anymore and one or more got out.....perhaps the hooded man in Winterfell who talks to Theon is one of the ghosts that got out?!?!?!?!?

[@Glidus]

ooh i like that

[@GetUpGetUpGetUp]

I love the idea of fAegon just being some random peasant boy that Varys in trying to mold into the "perfect" king

[@alexmckee4683]

I thought that was the obvious interpretation, a spin on the "Prince and the Pauper".

[@AllTheArtsy]

It's probably the most likely. But the only thing we can know for sure about Young Griff is he cannot possibly be Aegon, Rhaegar and Elia's son. Because for that to work must mean that Varys knew how Aegon was going to die. Because their story is that he was switched with another baby and was stolen away from the castle, right? Conveniently, Gregor Clegane smashed Aegon's head against the wall and his skull was a bloody ruin. But what if they had somehow not been harmed? What is Jaime actually stood guard for them? What if the babes were killed a different way? People know what the royal children looked like. You can't just exchange a royal prince with any other baby and no one would know.

[@lostalone9320]

The babies were babies, and they all look alike. And no-one is going to run around shouting how these legitimate heirs to Robert's throne are definitely alive, because being smashed in the rib cage with a warhammer is bad for your health.

[@TheRepentersChamber]

But the Clanking Dragon sign? Varys referring to the kid as being a targ (or whatever he says) to Kevan just before killing them?

[@TheNoodleIncident]

re: Melisandre burning Shireen to resurrect Stannis and instead resurrecting Jon--this actually totally makes sense @Glidus. She keeps mistaking Stannis for the Lord of Light/Azor Ahai/Prince who was Promised. Something we see repeatedly when she asks the flames to show her LoL, they show her "only Snow," which GRRM has said he regrets capitalizing because it made it "too obvious" (so I take this as confirmation). So if her prayer to resurrect Stannis by burning Shireen involves any language like "so that 'the prince who was promised/AA/LoL' may be reborn..." (instead of "so that Stannis may...") it could totally happen. And it's pretty likely that a prayer like that would involve whatever the proper name instead of the random avatar of god or whatever on earth's birth name.

[@TheHonoredMadman]

This is it

[@Miuranger1]

Nah grrm confirmed stannis will burn shireen. Think it will happen vs the white walkers

[@aag2139]

1:26:56 Alleras, Marwyn 1:27:15 Marwyn is a nutjob 1:27:50 Marwyn rolls up

[@Brams2777]

Thank you! That's my favorite part haha.

[@Nikki-dh7lz]

I'm watching all the glidus/schwifty livestreams to see where glidus' legendary promise ro eat the winds of winter originates

[@Glidus]

you will not find it here! it first came up on a long-archived twitch stream. maybe i'll post the clip some dayf

[@stannismcnuff]

Did it really? The idea sounded fairly new when you promised to eat TWOW in case Euron does succeed in creating the dragon squid: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnPQkJxuo7B5fbs

[@MeeraReads]

2:01:10 I’m actually really glad you guys posed this question so I could spend a year on it. They were connected by the arm of Dorne. So anyone sailing West from Asshai would keep going along the coast, turning north along the far west coastline of Westeros. Which is why the suspected OG dragon riding houses are at Starfall and Oldtowne

[@Guinnessdrnkr1234]

Bran the builder helped make the Winterfell crypts. The structure should have the same spells protecting it as Wall has to keep out the white walkers.

[@turnip9367]

In regards to the Shireen/Melisandre theory, my guess is that Melisandre is going to burn someone else to ressurect Jon, and Shirren won't burn until the end of the book when Stannis is desperate enough to defeat the White Walkers. It makes perfect narrative sense having Stannis being the one to issue the command, especially if it's to defeat the Others, because he told Davos in one of the earlier books that he would be willing to "sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark". Melisandre doing it to save Jon takes away from this characterisation.

[@glanni]

An argument in favor of Jon NOT a POV anymore is that while yes, we would lose the internal monologue, it's also possible that's more of a setup for the contrast against him being the opposite after his resurrection.

[@Miuranger1]

Hes also a lame boring character

[@sglauney]

​@@Miuranger1i thought this until he decided to hang janos slynt

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

I mean I GUESS but I am waiting for this book FOR the Jon Stuff so Id be sad

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

​@@Miuranger1 aw. Hard disagree. I really like Jon hes one of my faves. Alsthough I think my ABSOLUTE favourite POV character is Jaime. My least fave is probably one of the Ironborn😂

[@BT12344]

I’d love Preston to do one of these with you! Even a short one would be quite fun, especially on some of his theories (Deeper Dorne, Brienne and the Squishers, etc)

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

Can I ask what his theory actually is with Brienne and the Squishers? The way it was produced over such a long period of time made me lose track of the series. Was it an actual theory or just a discussion about feminism/Brienne's arc.

[@rubencarva]

@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 discussion and litareture analysis

[@SunDogGod]

They don’t particularly like Preston

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

@@SunDogGod tbh it seems like Glidus likes Preston a lot. He always seems to speak highly of him and he nver mocks or ridicules him like he does with The Order of the Greenhand. I even saw Preston invite him onto a stream the other day, so they must have some friendly relationship.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@SunDogGod they disagree with his in dept theories but they like the dude himself because he largely presents his theories as him just looking too deep into shit and not as immutable fact

[@hidingman3578]

I dunno if im the only one who feels this, but watching these older Glidus schwift collabs make it cool to see, not only how much chemistry they had off the bat but how much their chemistry and dynamic has grown and evolved, truly one of, if not my favorite youtuber duo.

[@TM-wx2pl]

Such an entertaining livestream with some healthy reflection on how bizarre it is that so many people can spend so much time on things we probably will never know about a non existing world. (The highlight for me is still 3:40:59. Now this is a man who understands how to play music. Movie reference. )

[@alexanders8638]

1:23:36 oberyn's family sigil involves a sun >> the sun is a star >> daynes are from starfall >> saying someone has 'fallen' can be a euphemism for death >> darkstar kills obara schwift has done it again

[@Xorto81]

Imagine a tag team battle about the weirdest theories between Glidus + AltShift and RedTeam + Preston. And maybe Quinn as a referee. Please make it happen.

[@SpiralSine6]

Throw in Order of the Green Hand as a wildcard

[@Xorto81]

@@SpiralSine6 until the publishing of the next book, talking about theories is the best we have. The teams could defend their most weirdest or funniest theories against the other teams. You can even do a tournament with glidus+altshift, redteam+Preston, Quinn+Lucifer and the green hand.

[@victorhplus]

Yes please, that would be so great

[@SunDogGod]

David Lightbringer

[@jeanvalero1597]

Yes please

[@DongusMcBongus]

1:01:53 For the past five months, anytime ANYONE has tried to tell me a story, I hear Schwift in my head, and I always audibly laugh.

[@renaigh]

Jon Con's Greyscale symbolises his homosexuality in a society that would look down on him for it.

[@RikkaP]

So Loras will be the first to get it from him? I am not sure how on board Westeros is with homosexuality, really. I don't think we really had a glimpse. Jaime seems pretty cool with Loras ("When the sun has set, no torch can compare" or something? Had to retranslate from my edition... Great). Still sad how Loras (one of my fav. side characters) was butcherd in the show. I always had a feeling that greyscale was a bit like the white walkers on a personal scale for Jon Con. Something he ignores/ keeps hidden because of more pressing issues and that will blow up in his face later. Maybe instead of being woken from stone instead a dragon will turn to stone...

[@sglauney]

​@RikkaP westeros is decidedly not on board with homosexuality, its considered a sin by the church and is one of the principle crimes Loras is being punished for. its important to note that Dorne's tolerance of gay sex is compared to their tolerance of bastards, indicating its unorthodox and unique to their society (compared to the rest of westeros). although it seems commonly known among court that Renly is gay, that is far different from being out of the closet; Renly still married a woman for politics and bloodline. Jamie being cool with Loras (and that sun setting quote is surprisingly empathetic) would appear to be the exception that proves the rule. this is in line with the period of time and place westeros culture seems to be based off (medieval europe) where homosexuality was seen as an abomination and only practiced in secret or in more tolerant areas of the world. i like your theory abt what greyscale means to joncon, i always thought it was a metaphor for him burning out; joncon is tirelessly working to put his dead lovers (most likely not real) kid on the throne and its figuratively and literally eating away at him

[@silverstorm3729]

@@sglauney Although I agree with the assessment that Westeros is homophobic, I wanna add that the Middle Ages lasted roughly a century, and the Early Middle Ages didn't really have a problem with homosexuality as we know it - sexuality was more understood in terms of dominant vs submissive partners; with dominant partners being venerated, and submissive partners being shamed. This seems to be a hold-over from the Greek and Roman eras before. I don't think GRRM is widely inspired by that period of the Middle Ages, but some inspiration could explain the "open secret" nature of Loras's gayness - sexuality was defined back then more as an act you partook in rather than a part of who you were, so it was overlooked more than we realize nowadays, as long as it didn't cause any problems with a person's ability to get married and "do their duties." Loras being a kingsguard especially would make his gay status actually be more tolerated, I think - he's sworn off marriage and children anyway so it's a non-issue from a feudalistic standpoint. Of course, I think GRRM made Westeros homophobic as an intentional statement about feudalistic society, so I don't really know how much of actual history he's taking from and how much is exaggerated to make a point. I never thought of JonCon's greyscale in that light, that's a really insightful way of looking at it. I used to think JonCon's greyscale was kind of a out-of-left field story element but as a metaphor for his grief and subsequent self-destructiveness, it makes so much sense.

[@sglauney]

​@@silverstorm3729 totally agree with your points abt the difference regarding the early middle ages and abt the kingsguard being a representation of quiet acknowledgement of sexual identities while still treating them as something not to be talked abt or acted on! to me the homophobia feels more overt and based on the middle ages, but the political intrigue around sexuality and it's status as something that can be worked around but not openly discussed (shoutout "if i am served fish i will eat it" abt laenor) is definitely an earlier historical period's opinion being added in to make the story more interesting and to enable dialogue around gay characters (gotta love gay characters) thank you abt the joncon comment, i think his grayscale is a kind of left field story element but if it serves an interesting metaphorical purpose (the one i think it is or otherwise) and makes the story more interesting without being totally unbelievable than it's fair game. the reveal is well written too imo

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

I think that makes no sense tbh. Like what about Shireen then? She had/has Greyscale is she gay? What about Loras? Why would it only be for JonCon. Maybe you can connect his being gay with the greyscale bc he protects Aegon bc he was in love with Rhaegar, but I dont even remember if he got Greyscale defending Aegon or Tyrion

[@andrewplehn4805]

I watched this whole stream last night before I went to bed, and then when I woke up, I realized that my dreams had been narrated by a vaguely Australian man. I'm not even joking.

[@lostalone9320]

Dude, are you saying Euron sent you dreams about his cold phallus?

[@andrewplehn4805]

@@lostalone9320 Oh no! Euron's Australian? This changes everything!

[@elinaw6175]

​@@andrewplehn4805 the Iron Islands being the equivalent to Australia is the most absurd yet logical thing to me. Thanks

[@julius2659]

Am I the only one who is outraged that Schwifty didn't say 'lots of c*nts' at 7:16 after the setup line 'lots of people name their cars' by Glidus. He even had nearly the same intonation as Masie. What a missed opportunity!

[@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208]

Glidus you are really good with a piano

[@willbeard4835]

I come back every now and then just to hear about the ice spider trench run

[@ICouldOnlyImagin]

After years of being only a show watcher, you guys finally convinced me to read the books. I'm not much of a reader, so I've been putting it off as they are so long, but I'm already on Dany 2 and I'm loving them! Thanks so much for inspiring me to do this!!!

[@ThatKid7718]

The parallels between animorphs and ASOIAF are astounding

[@Cobalt360Degrees]

not gunna lie, if you did streams of just you messing around on the piano for like, a couple hours or something, I'd be so incredibly down for it. That was so fun and lovely.

[@Glidus]

i had great fun too!

[@Guille-mz7xf]

"Howlands castle shouldnt move its too fantasy" brother "HOWL'S MOVING CASTLE" ITS A DIRECT REFERENCE or something

[@carlrood4457]

THe thing is RHaegar f'd everything up BECAUSE he realized he wasn't the savior. After his son's birth, Elia couldn't have more children and he believed he needed a third, so he went for Lyanna.

[@AllTheArtsy]

He became too focused on the prophecy and forgot to secure the politics first. If he really was convinced of this, and knew that it had to be his child and there must be 3, he should have secured the realm first. What did he gain by running off with a high lord's daughter already engaged to another high lord? What did he gain by letting his mad father run the kingdom to the ground? If Rhaegar had just sat and had a think--- he should have swiftly deposed his father first and become king. Then secured a divorce or some other marriage settlement with Elia and given her and Sunspear all honors. If it just had to be Lyanna, he should have spoken to Lord Rickard and to Robert and broken their marriage pact. Instead he was prophecy prophecy prophecy and as a result, he died, his other 2 children died, and his PTWP was left to grow unaware of who he is.

[@roberthatton1919]

Hi Glidus, this is my first stream of yours that I've listened to, having heard your name mentioned by the Schwift a few times. Great stuff, really enjoyed it. I'll be checking out your other vids, for sure

[@leone.6190]

27:30 well, I think Rowan being Umbars daughter could well be revealed through her role of being "half wildling, half northerner" when/if it comes to conflict or just negotiations between the westerosi and the wildlings. Especially if Mance is really still looking for the Horn of winter (For whatever reason) wich him finding it would definetly be reason for conflict... :D

[@carlrood4457]

I think Ice will be reforged at the very end. It's too big to be functional in battle, and two magic swords will be more useful in battle than one. Once the Other threat is done, then it will be reforged.

[@yetipotato8567]

Unless it is wielded by UnJon with undead strenght thousand suns

[@tequilawhiskey]

Clearly Sir Robert Strong will come under the control of the Others and use it to kill Drogon and thus will commence the song of ice and fire.

[@BattyButtercup]

I agree with "2 magic swords > 1 unwieldly magic sword" but disagree with Ice needing to be reforged - the centuries-old Ice belonging to House Stark, that was melted down into Oathkeeper & Widow's Wail, is ITSELF a "replacement" heirloom for an ANCIENT "Ice" (which i suspect was LITERALLY made of ice, as stolen from or gifted by White Walkers of yesteryear). Reforging Ice seems more of a POLITICAL move than a Magic Sword Thing, a gesture by surviving Lannisters in reparations to surviving Starks to cement that TWoT5K is well & truly over in the minds of smallfolk.

[@BattyButtercup]

@acooknamed_Rishi if he does, he might not want to: "fire & blood" is the root of all Valyrian sorcery and they DID go through their enslaved VERY QUICKLY. The Faceless Men's gift of Mercy started as a "gift" FOR A REASON. Burning/boiling people/vats of blood by dragon or volcano could legit be a key component to forging valyrian dragonsteel. Even with an apocalypse coming, i don't see any of the current Team Living characters being willing to sacrifice people in such ways/use blood magic.

[@lostalone9320]

You pretty clearly don't need vats of human blood to forge Valyrian steel. You might need a drip here and there, because there is a magic component, but nothing more than that. When Tywin sent for a cool foreign blacksmith to cut Ice up, do you think the guy got off a ship and said "Ok, fetch me the blood of a thousand virgins and we'll get cracking..."

[@kyleholmes8230]

6:00 minutes in glidus: I'll just edit this to make it good. 4 hours later glidus: it's good it needs no editing. But seriously, this is great. I REALLY hope catch the next live stream. Y'all are great. The chemistry is so weird, awkward and frankly redundant with you two blokes, but it's just what the world needs.

[@samppuli-4154]

Thank you Glämbys, you're real Azor Ahai for including such a small rapper in your stream. All jokes aside, thanks for both. And the piano was to die for.

[@TwinSpiritRadio]

Sorry for being late to the part by several months, but what if/when Melisandre burns Shireen at Winterfell to bring upon lightbringer - instead of reawakening a sword, she unknowingly reawakens Jon instead. Another way of GRRM playing with prophecy. Maybe after Stannis takes Winterfell, they take Jon’s body with them to give him a proper burial in the crypts. Not that I think he needs to be close proximity, but I think Stannis is honorable and would task his men to bury Jon at home. Imagine Stannis is defending Winterfell from the dead. The battle is almost over. They’re losing. They’re surrounded and are maybe the last several people alive. White Walkers about to finish the job. Stannis has no more options, no more tactics. Melisandre tells Stannis they will all die unless, they bring Lightbringer to full strength by sacrificing the one he loves most. He only allows the sacrifice of Shireen as he feels they’re all about to die anyway, and death by fire may be a better death than the long night. Melisandre does her ritual AND…cue the start of Jon’s first POV chapter of the book. He wakes up in his casket. He leaves the crypt, goes outside, confused, as he recollects how he was murdered and maybe is in hell as he is now walking amongst the wreckage of what used to be Winterfell.

[@MiraArrr]

2:43:15 Jaime asks Brienne to name the sword Oathkeeper, but the implication is that it’s ultimately up to her. Just like Jeor tells Jon he can rename Longclaw and Jon chooses not to

[@kalemboyle7930]

These guys are talking about how Princess Rhaenys is now a one eared cat named Balerion. GRRM needs to see what taking too long between books does to people lol

[@Kwistoweeish]

Clicked for the theories, stayed for the free concert at the end! I would die happy if Lord Glimbus started a music channel!

[@sglauney]

i know this is two years late but glimbus is part of a band! he has a second channel of music

[@PAMPEP411]

the show is basically bad fanfiction

[@miketrujillo3677]

Hypocrite

[@nononono3421]

I'm surprised I never see a theory about how Westeros was originally full of snow all the way to not far north of Dorne. There is a BUNCH of parallels about the north and south that are way too weird. The whole Garth Greenhand thing would have been about how they pushed the "winter" further north, turning the land green. It explains the messed up seasons; the cold is still trying to retake its place. As such the ice wall was built to safekeep those north of it, in agreement with those they made the pact with south of it.

[@andreaholeszova2179]

Now I’m thinking that Cheese in Hot D kicked the dog, because he wanted to forge a Valerian steele sword. Thank you Glidus for this lore.

[@connormohun1373]

What do you guys think about Mance being a stark bastard. Would explain his affection for Jon, respect for Ned, why he was at winterfell and why he’s heading back. I like the idea that Ned and Mance both worked together to protect Jon.

[@miketrujillo3677]

Now heres a theory ive actually never read before holy shit good one man pretty plausible, however people talk as if they knew mance before he was a wildling

[@jimbofromfrance4801]

Really stupid theory: Cersei dies in childbirth and the baby is a boy, hence the valonquar prophecy. This is like a DND level idea but I thought it would be funny and something they would do

[@fort809]

Nah, untommen is still the best Valonquar theory

[@mschell8022]

@@fort809 like the zombie baby from Pet Sematary lol

[@nevaehaho61]

“Valonqar” means “Little Brother”, so I don’t see Cersei’s child being the Valonqar unless some weird shit goes on, but maybe her dying in childbirth could still be a possibility since Jaime is her younger brother and also her lover. Maybe him getting her pregnant again could sort of make that work? Idk 🤔

[@jimbofromfrance4801]

@@nevaehaho61 When I wrote that I meant it as the youngest boy, i.e. little brother

[@nevaehaho61]

@@jimbofromfrance4801 Oh that actually makes a lot of sense

[@Shadowplay4Cats]

This was so much fun! Love listening to you two, you’ve got great chemistry.

[@saminator4497]

1:54:02 I'm really hoping it's Catelyn/ stoneheart who resurrects Jon and I recon how that could come about, geographically speaking is that the brotherhood learn from Jamie or in spight of him about fake Arya's wedding to Ramsey, they don't believe him that it's not her, they go looking for her at winterfell, hear she escaped and went to stay with Jon on the wall and they get there to find Jon's corpse on ice, we get a combination of Melisandre and Thoros too. And via Melisandres or perhaps even Jamie's POV we could see and follow all of this. And if they all go north they'll need to pass through the Neck and grey water watch where Howland was sent a copy of Robbs will, and stoneheart is refusing to crown a bastard and then boom, we hear of Jon's true parentage, or its hinted at. But maybe that then Dies with Catelyn and no one else knows and Jon decides to Bury her as a Stark on winterfells crypts which is where he finds out whatever is urging him there to discover the parentage for himself?

[@primitivepatchess6776]

Could you do a video going through the old theories of things that have already been answered and give your opinions if the answers were as good as the theories

[@beesmitty3435]

Lol nothing has been answered for 20 years, that's why so many theories exist

[@matt_9112]

​@@beesmitty3435true. L+R=J is still a theory when talking strictly "in universe". Hence some of the more "out there" theories.

[@Vahapetautus]

1:16:45 This is a long one, but some etymology of the word Crannog may explain the following - here’s some context. Schwifty is talking about Greywater Watch and hypothesising that it doesn’t actually exist. Funny enough, a crannog is essentially a dwelling on the shoreline that becomes its own little island if big enough. These are raised above the water by a few feet and were relatively easy to build. The earliest evidence of their construction is 3600BC. These crannogs were made of wood and more advanced ones had stone embankments and pathways. As the years went on and man moved from dwelling in the swamps to constructing villages and settlements, crannogs were able to be built during war or out of necessity. A number of crannogs have had the wood dated and found to have been cut down between 537-547. During these years there were massive volcanic eruptions which caused volcanic winters and crop failure, particularly in Ireland, Scandinavia, Mesopotamia and China, the Justinian plague spread across Europe killing 35-55% of the population and collapsing the Eastern Roman Empire. It’s interesting that so many wild dwellings were built during this time, possibly because of crop failure or because of the plague but it is evident that these crannogs could be constructed quickly in a necessary situation. Eventually after disuse crannogs become overgrown and become their own small island. The comparison I’m trying to make here is that the crannogmen and by extension Greywater Watch, have a connotation to rapid wooden dwellings made close to the water in swamps, these could be moved and are created from local materials very quickly. So maybe Greywater Watch does move. Maybe it moves away from sight, disassembled and reassembled or completely remade elsewhere.

[@sglauney]

this fits with how the crannogmen behave in the story, hiding and moving and using natural resources (like poison) against enemies, and generally being impossible to nail down

[@Vahapetautus]

@@sglauney exactly! Crafty little buggers

[@TecTitan]

Mr president, a third dragon has hit the pentagon

[@TecTitan]

also also also if Lady Stoneheart had to give up her life to bring back Jon she is symbolically giving Jon life through herself. She would be the mother of Jon's second life.

[@sambratschie619]

I love living in 2024 watching a video from 2021 asking if Winds of Winter will come out in 2022. Its just like when a regular bar patron whose life didnt go the way they intended sees an old photo of themselves when they still had that hopeful twinkle in their eye.

[@sambratschie619]

I cant wait to comment on this is 2025

[@alexking988]

Imagine an episode of discussing theories with Glidus, Alt Schwift, Preston and Carmine

[@alexking988]

@D D I dunno, I still enjoy him. But I mostly listen to the fire and blood podcast with him and Carmine.

[@BenJover]

@D D Cry harder. Nobody cares.

[@bonbonvegabon]

@@alexking988 I hate both of them. They arent in the league of Alt Shift X

[@bonbonvegabon]

@@BenJover NO one cares about your comment either/ I agree with D D

[@alecatnight1540]

Too bad Preston is busy subverting democracy in Burkina Faso

[@alannamichellebova]

These videos are so much fun. I love these two chatting together

[@dutchpangermanist5673]

2:26:36. Isn't it Simon Silvertongue, and isn't Simeon Star-eyes one of the Nightfort stories from Old Nan that Bran thinks about?

[@sglauney]

you are right king

[@2MelissaSue]

I will absolutely buy your album ! The last half hour was an unexpected delight!

[@churchofthegreatpumpkin]

jon and tyrion can share a dragon so that brown ben plum can have one too :)

[@ladymanga6575]

My interpretation of the moving castle is that it isn't a stone castle like you would imagine but a collection of floating houseboat-type things made of wood and vines found in the swamp. I think they are camouflaged well enough to look like the surrounding area if you are not used to seeing buildings like theirs, and they can weigh anchor and move periodically to ensure that pinning them down is even harder. GRRM seems to have written them to have a deep understanding and appreciation for the environment they live in, so it makes sense to me that they live in harmony with their surroundings.

[@trusty.patches]

Loved the Outro-Chill-Time with Glidus!

[@trogdoar149]

Shireen is getting burned to give Stannis victory much like in the show. Only it works, Stannis kicks ass, takes names, but his daughter is gone, and his quest towards the iron throne just... falls apart. Oh, and he totally kills his wife for killing his daughter, he's going to kin slay I think.

[@Siba_iii]

Glidus: Balerion is Rhaenys Me: The dragon or the boat?? Glidus: The cat Me: oh... HUH????

[@lukaslambs5780]

As soon as I saw “UnJon has white hair” I immediately thought “ohhhhhh the silver blonde hair…..!!!!”

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

My fave thing is Sansa just being normal😂 Like shes learning politics and stuff and I really hope she meets up with all of them again because IMAGINE You see your siblings again and like - Your little sister is in a death cult to be a shapeshifting assassin - your little brother is feral and probably communicates by growling or sth - Your other brother is paralyzed and also a fucking tree wizard You hold out hope, maybe MAYBE your bastard brother is normal, I mean hes just at the nights watch right? What could go wrong? Nope. You see him again and he somehow has white hair now? Maybe its stress? Nope he was MURDERED and is a fucking Zombie. Also apparently a Targaryen?!? Istg I would be like "Shit I miss Littlefingers bullshit"

[@Vahapetautus]

3:04:11 So comets can absolutely have irregular orbits. Generally, orbital comets don’t last very long on an atmospheric scale. They can be knocked off course by chance of gravitational interactions such as big boy Jupiter. But could be possible to see the same comet twice in a year. It may not be quick to do a full orbit, maybe 30 years was the last sighting, but then as it gets closer to the sun and passes you it speeds up due to the suns gravity, when it passes its perihelion (closest position to the sun) it begins slowing, and depending on planetos’ orbit, could maybe see it on its way back.

[@waveofficial2765]

Idk how many times I'm going to rewatch this masterpiece

[@MoonManTheories]

Because I can't restrain myself, and as you both find the motives and timeline presented in the show to be beyond belief, an alternate possibility for the burning of Shireen: The scaley princess (along with several other eligible ladies) marries Aegon Vi as part of a peace deal with Stannis. They share a chaste kiss on the lips at the wedding (her mother specifically only kisses her on her unblemished cheek). Soon the whole royal "family” of Aegon and his noble brides are stricken with grey-scale/plague. Connington (who would have been desperately, bitterly opposed to the deal with Stannis and the marriage) seizes on the possibility that Shireen is a carrier (as the wildlings believe) and denounces her and Stannis. As the king is infected and the outbreak spreading, Stannis sees no choice but to acquiesce to calls to burn Shireen and and other infected (not the king) as part of a combined, twisted, ritual of grisly public sanitation, and appeasement of the Red God (who the court of Aegon will be following and pushing on the realm as a reformation). Of course, Connington suspects all along that it is he who has somehow infected his boy king. When it inevitably comes out that he has been hiding an infection all this time, king, court, and Stannis will jump back to the conclusion that the common wisdom that survived childhood greyscale is non-transmissible was correct, and that is was Connington who brought the plague. It will be ambiguous, but we will suspect that it was actually Shireen. Conninginto will die the most defeated man in history, having failed the two Targaryen princes he loved and doomed them both to early deaths. Just as bad, he will live only long enough to see Stannis Baratheon rise to take his place as the ailing Aegon’s Hand.

[@Staticjokes]

I watched this live & have watched it all again. Absolutely love it, so funny & entertaining. Such a good finish too!

[@frankvandorp9732]

Ned and Arthur Dayne probably fought because the Kingsguard planned to take Lyanna and Jon to Essos to raise him as Rhaegar's son and eventually challenge Robert. Most likely, Rhaegar's last order to them was to do that if he himself would lose to Robert, and Jon was his contingency plan to continue the royal line. Ned of course couln't allow this and wanted to take Jon to Winterfell instead and hide his identity. So both sides wanted to protect Jon, but they had very different ambitions with Jon. That's why they fought.