Disney brought a controversial move into canon

Episode 5 of Star Wars The Acolyte brought into canon something that was considered a very controversial lightsaber combat form.
#StarWars #Disney #TheAcolyte

[@EcksClips]

1:02 - Apologies, I meant to have said The Empire Stikes Back. I was watching Episode III today lol - Charlie

[@reconpuffin]

The audio clip was kinda to quite, couldn't hear it to much. But if he does use the technique it means he isn't a true sith, probably a sith wanna be. The Sith were mythical at this point, probably a believer

[@darthachref6195]

No worries, Remember when Anakin blow up the Death Star?

[@LordFleaBottom]

*Demolition* *Man* *(1993)* The way the Jedis are portrayed in The Acolyte are similar to the cops in Demolition Man. They’re soft and stupid. In Demolition Man, Los Angeles became safe. Hardly any major crimes. Sex happens with VR headsets. You get a fine for cursing. That’s what’s happening in the High Republic Era. Jedis have become soft and complacent which made them inept when handling criminals like a Sith. People should check out Demolition Man, it’s Stallone’s funniest movie and one of Snipes’ funniest movies up there with White Men Can’t Jump (1992). Simon Phoenix vs. the cops kzbin.info/www/bejne/goKsg3drbNGfqZosi=JxhuwJQgihxXEIKw Here’s The Acolyte’s Ep. 5’s stupid moment after stupid moment. - Jedis had several chances landing a fatal blow at Qimir but didn’t including Jecki aiming for the head as if Qimir is Thanos when she could’ve stabbed him through the back. Had to make the fight look more dramatic. Then another scene when Jecki saves Mae by jumping against a stone and we see Sol could’ve landed a blow from behind. Plot armor galore. - Osha does nothing mostly but stand there and watch. A team player. Then when she shoots Qimir once, she had to aim high where his helmet is. Didn’t notice Qimir was headbutting the lightsabers to short circuit them. - A lightsaber can’t penetrate through Cortosis but a female padawan’s elbow can break Smilo’s helmet as if it was made out of egg shells. - Osha prevents Sol from killing Qimir. Um, didn’t Osha leave the Jedi Order when she was 18? How did she all of a sudden become the chief of police and Sol has to listen to her? Didn’t she watch her friends in Jecki and Yord die? Why should she care what Sol does to Qimir if she no longer is a Jedi? - When Sol doesn’t kill Qimir, he watches Qimir pick up the lightsaber from the ground with the Force while Sol is ready to get slashed before Osha does her Pip thing which basically frees Qimir from any type of arrest. Where are the handcuffs to arrest these types of people? - Why does Osha drop the blaster on the ground? She shoots Mae with it and then we see Mae shoot Sol from the same area Osha shot Mae. Then Mae shoots Sol from behind. Um, didn’t Sol just save Mae from a lightsaber piercing right through her skull? Then she tells Osha that the Jedis are no good. A Jedi just saved her life only two minutes ago! 😂 - Mae decides to go Arryk Cargyll but without a Criston A-Hole telling her. But shouldn’t Sol see Mae’s witch markings and the burnt, smoky tips of her hair? So is Ep. 6 going to turn into The Parent Trap (1961/1998) where Sol is completely clueless that’s Mae? Will Bazil notify him that’s Mae? “We’re police officers. We’re not trained to handle that kind of violence.” - Erwin (Rob Schneider) in Demolition Man The official motto of the Uvalde, Texas police department and the Jedis during the High Republic Era.

[@randallbalion4464]

Yoda: "How embarrassing"

[@Cornholio1981]

Empire is the best of all 3, like Dante hicks said. It ends on a down note, just like real life, a series of down notes. Some may say blasphemy. Now I want to watch Episode III thanks to you lmao, for real and I will. Waiting for the postman to throw my 420 puff puff stuff in the mailbox and during the sesh I will watch Ep. III.

[@BjornWithASlash]

“We haven’t seen it in canon or live action yet” *shows it being used in ahsoka*

[@EcksClips]

This is a clip where *I believe it was used.* But it was mentioned nowhere. Nor was it acknowledged on the wiki pages or by LucasFilm themselves. - Charlie

[@jasondiend4248]

@@EcksClips Should also note Merrick is neither Sith or Jedi. We don't know if Merrick was a fallen Jedi taken in or one found and trained. Either way they aren't trained very specifically in Jedi or Sith trainings. Which means he could have used it. Or he just randomly turned his lightsaber on and off in combat because his blade was still extended during that moment. My guess is he is a former Jedi padawan since he was seen during a period in which they were scooping them up. He knows about it and used that technique in combat. In the end it didn't help him all that much. Jedi: He's a traitor using techniques he shouldn't. Sith: He's a bitch. Never was a Sith to begin with. Qimir is questionable too. Is he Sith? The way he phrased it was you would call me a Sith. Not I am Sith. He doesn't actually say he is one. If you're one. Then he wouldn't outright say he is one. First he's force trained with a lightsaber. So keeping the secret is more important than not. So he would never outright say he is one or shouldn't. If he is a Sith then he is very shitty master or a very shitty apprentice. If he isn't Sith or Jedi Qimir will not have qualms about using something each order doesn't like. If he is one. He's a lot more not caring about the secret and ways of either order. I get not caring for what the Jedi think. What the Sith thinks. If he is the Master he's not caring. If he isn't his master finds out that is a sign of weakness and weakness can't be tolerated.

[@evanboll4651]

@@EcksClips It was also used in Fallen Order when Trilla and Cal fought on Bogano.

[@adriankuban2904]

​@@EcksClipsAcolite episode 5 is the best star wars thing I have ever seen. These fights and choreography surpassed both the Phantom Menace movie and the clone wars episode.

[@DKKatano]

@@EcksClips Ahsoka used it in Rebels when she thought the inquisitor in season 2 episode 9. She used the force to turn the sisters lightsaber off.

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

Jedi: "Such a tactic is dishonorable!" Sith: "If you do that, you're gay."

[@johntaylor9381]

😂

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

I c wut u did dare.

[@feveredmushroomHD]

Yep XD

[@michacieslak2346]

*Juhani accepts the challenge*

[@44ThaNatos44]

So that's what they meant with The Acolyte being the "gayest Star Wars yet", it was because of Qimir's fighting style ! 😂

[@royalgoat5301]

Jedi: "Dishonor." Sith: "No balls."

[@alucardthegrey5373]

Cal kestis actually used this first in jedi fallen order on the second sister fun fact.

[@Carson878]

I mean imagine instead of turning on and off in the middle of a duel... Just purely use it as a light speed instance poking lance in combat, maybe with a longer handle. It would be a nightmare!

[@aljonserna5598]

Are we forgetting how it was portrayed in that one SWTOR cinematic?

[@miqvPL]

I assumed he talked about form VII, which likely wouldn't be taught at the jedi temple much, especially to semi fresh knights.

[@sirsquid577]

Combining Trakata form with disabling your opponents lightsabers and wearing cortosis armour is a pretty lethal combo, no wonder so many jedi died here, they probably don't even know what Trakata is other than maybe Sol

[@jaycielle]

Aah that makes so much sense! I thought the triple-holepunch was super cool but it felt too smooth and quick to be three stabs - thanks for scratching that brain itch!

[@thesithofearth3617]

Man, this episode had so many easter eggs in it

[@williambell3304]

Are we sure that wasn't just a quick flurry of stabs?

[@thatsruffdog]

But… he didn’t really… do anything. He only turned it off after he’d already stabbed her. He could’ve accomplished the same thing by stabbing her multiple times (as I thought he did when I saw it). It makes no difference because he’d already won the bout.

[@Chris-jm2gx]

Apparently common sense is controversial in the Star Wars universe

[@nameynamename3758]

i don't buy that at all, sith don't give af if something's "cowardly" as long as it helps them

[@Juel92]

Yeah whoever came up with that moronic idea shouldn't write.

[@billyjohnson9900]

Don’t worry this show isn’t canon anyway

[@JohnHandle-]

I'm confused, this is a pretty out of touch take IMO. The community decides what's canon and what's not canon and it's pretty obvious how the community feels about The Acolyte. Honestly, I thought it was at least decent but I am absolutely willingly to defer my opinion in favor of the hardcore star wars fans. If they don't like the show, then I also don't like it. It's not canon unless we say it's canon. The only person who could overrule that notion is unfortunately gone so the creators of The Acolyte need to get with the program. Shape up or Ship out.

[@strpe9701]

Sith: weak Jedi: dishonorable Pragmatists: parry this, lmao

[@liaratsoni8556]

“Parry This you filthy casual!”

[@tierghan5433]

*don't parry this, lmao

[@RaisinHook]

"you can't its dishonorable, its cowardly" "yeah well your dead and I'm not so I win"

[@prestonroberts2941]

In a real fight, there aren't any rules, so it tracks for me. I loved this; Qimir is brutal.

[@rowlinzonvaldeavilla3964]

@@prestonroberts2941 doesn’t make sense that it’s dishonorable or cowardly. Like imagine reloading in a gun fight is dishonorable because having more bullets is not fair 😂

[@Zliarx]

Same argument as why are there laws about what is counted as warcrime. Like it's *War*, does it matter if what I did is a warcrime in order to win?

@@rowlinzonvaldeavilla3964 Yea but the distinction is in the spiritual weight of combat within Star Wars and specifically between force users. There is no neutral combat for a force user, all lightsaber combat is a reflection of the user's philosophy and psychic alignment. Irl you just kill to survive, in their universe they're fighting while connected to a universal energy field that makes their desires, ambitions, and beliefs manifest. If you pull some "pussy" shit as a force user you're basically reinforcing it out in the galaxy that you neither respect other life enough to honor it's value nor believe in yourself enough to impose your sheer will on others, few are gonna go that route.

[@RaisinHook]

@@Zliarx no thats different, those are laws that everyone abides by to not destroy the world, Lightsaber flicking is not illegal it's just "dishonorable"

[@jasondiend4248]

Should we point out he had to stab Jeckie 3 times. Cause we all have learned stabbing someone once is meaningless. Unless you Qui Gon.

[@6-dpegasus425]

All of us: "characters can't lightsaber fight because we know they can survive, disney!" Jecki: *triple stabbed* Yord: *neck snapped* Us: ... :c

[@Voztex808]

And Cere too

[@thanatoes537]

its also funny that one of the other jedi in the group died with a single stab to the chest too. It requires multiple stabs unless they are not important to the plot, or if the plot requires it

[@adoraiscute24]

​@@thanatoes537tbh...doesnt he also even like slice them too after? I swear I saw like he stabbed blocked another but also slicing the dude who was stabbed. Of course yeah your point still stands too even if they do the best to get in multiple hits. You need to just think "hey the story is: he kills them." 😂 aka no matter the wounds you dead.

[@AkariSarzul]

@@thanatoes537 Weren't they also then decapitated?

[@jjbutternubz664]

Trakata was brought into canon back when Jedi: Fallen Order came out. Cal Kestis used it against his fight with the Ninth Sister

[@C0rruptati0n]

Pretty sure it was the 2nd Sister aka Trilla but yeah Trakata has been in cannon

[@richardmartinez5040]

There was also this one dungeon where 3 princes ambush you and one of them uses it

[@nanashi4147]

@@jjbutternubz664 this guy also has a knack for bashing people’s lightsabers, which is genius.

[@ThePlinto]

Bro, adjust clip sound to your sound, in 0:18 i couldnt hear anything, when i turned sound up then you blew like a jet.

[@Patman_822]

Yeah, I got that as well

[@charlessaint7926]

"You can't do that! It's dishonorable!" "Dishonor is a point of view."

[@nonenonymous]

You can't do that that is dishonorable *mind fucks a POW's mind* An elegant weapon from a more civilized age *literally dismembers a child* Blasters a brutes weapon *does a no scope with a sniper rifle and hits*

[@harrietr.5073]

Dishonour smiles on my family

[@nonenonymous]

@@harrietr.5073 honour is blinding

[@macwelch8599]

Vader didn’t fight Luke in Revenge of the Sith

[@Kydrenix]

That confused me too lmfao

[@Lil6Anar6hy6]

Of course he did cuz Anakin blew up the death star

[@EcksClips]

Addressed, apologies for the mistake! - Charlie

[@ParrotsAccount]

He did, just like Anakin blew up the death star

[@Kydrenix]

@@EcksClips ahhh we don’t mind man, no need for apologies!

[@LizardMan8675309]

It’s been used a few times in canon including the scene in ahsoka referenced above and it was done by Cal Kestis towards the end of Jedi Fallen Order

[@zygas25]

Wait we did? I didn't notice

[@LizardMan8675309]

@@zygas25 yeah the battle with Trilla in the vault. She and Cal were in a lockup and he turns his saber off letting trilla fall past him.

[@TheAnimatedWonders]

This reminds me of the parody clips of Anakin pranking Obi Wan with this during their training sessions :')

[@sl0Niu]

SAME LOLOL XD

[@Elongated_Muskrat]

Well I hope the Force Police doesn’t notice the unsportsmanlike conduct of murderers.

[@tacitmurky9675]

Controversial or not: if it works - it works

[@ct-uj8es]

facts lol

[@dredeth]

Same as chemicals and biological weapons. But screw Geneva right...?

[@ct-uj8es]

@@dredeth is this an anakin skywalker burner account ?

[@tacitmurky9675]

@@dredeth no, we're dealing with one opponent and not necessary with a death end.

[@jasondiend4248]

It shouldn't be controversial at all. However the orders have rules. He broke them. Which leads to more questions. Why if he is a Sith did he show such weakness to the enemy? If he is a master he doesn't care for the rules of the Sith either. Okay he doesn't care but that needs to be explained which I'm sure they'll get to. If he is the apprentice then his master finds out. He is showing weakness to the enemy. Which might be a reason for the master to show up and get rid of him.

[@Brainwashed101]

I'm not sure if this was Trakata. He could have thrust the shorter lightsaber in and out three times, as well.

[@etaigur5631]

Vader didn't fight luke in rots comments are coming

[@thanatoes537]

vader didnt fight look replies are coming

[@davantebarbain3216]

Cal uses trakata in both games lmao

[@chand911]

Yeah, even common Star Wars fans know this. Shit like this is why these "stan" accounts are bullshit. They just want views without knowing basic facts about the fandom they cater to.

[@Rhyciz]

When? I’ve played through Fallen Order’s story four times and don’t remember that ever happening. And the only instance in Survivor I can remember is when he disguised himself as Santari to get close enough to stab Dagan.

[@Coley0120]

@@Rhycizin the duel on bogano with the 2nd sister

[@davantebarbain3216]

@@Coley0120 and i think in survivor theres a stance that allows you to do trakata

[@EthanAldridge]

Shit man I’d say desperate times call for desperate measures but this is also the same dude groaning about the order being gone so clearly he’s just being a hypocrite. Typical Jedi shit I guess

[@VanishEclipse4867]

I have only heard of it once before but it's controversial in Star Wars universe as said both Jedi and Sith dislike the use of Trakataa yet here we see Qimir doing just that. To the Jedi, the use of Trakataa is dishonorable while to the Sith, it's considered a weakness. I actually find it funny both Jedi and Sith have different ideologies yet they both agree Trakataa is a style of fighting that must never be used. Then there is of course Cal Kestis who used it once to survive and Qimir calls himself a Sith but again it's self-proclaimed and he's already shown to be a dirty fighter.

[@user-ze3sg6ix1u]

Where has this ever been denounced in canon? I've never seen Jedi or Sith do so. It doesn't make sense for Sith to even care about "cowardice" they're in hiding the whole time

[@VanishEclipse4867]

@@user-ze3sg6ix1u Not in canon but in lore within legends where both sides do not enjoy let alone approve of the use of Trakataa. I guess it's like an unsung rule among lightsaber wielders. I truthfully don't know the specifics. I imagine it's because cowardice would mean fearing your opponent and instead you yourself are afraid of losing and as such Sith whose ideology is to make foes fear them is why Trakataa is considered a technique that makes you look weak and that is something the Sith do not tolerate.

[@Juel92]

It's so stupid though. Sith should not be above fighting dirty. They should use everything at their disposal for their own gain.

[@VanishEclipse4867]

@@Juel92 This just shows Sith and Jedi are merely both sides of the same coin. Jedi has a sense of honor among them and Sith carry a strong sense of pride. Admittedly it is stupid but most Sith are so full of themselves and how powerful they are that such techniques are simply beneath them.

[@Juel92]

@@VanishEclipse4867 I could see them not using it as long as they felt they had the advantage to show off. I could not see them losing a fight over it though.

[@kryppo4245]

Writing on this show sucks ass but the people behind the action deserve their props

[@ev17dan]

Inwhat way?

[@Rhyciz]

@@ev17danI think he was referring to the diminishing of Anakin’s conception through the Force because now Mae and Osha are confirmed to have been created the same way, which means there were almost definitely others. Also the idea that Ki-Adi Mundi was not only born 40 years before his pre established birth date, but also knew about dark side Force users and still claimed that the Sith had been extinct for a millennia.

[@ev17dan]

@@Rhyciz how can you be so wrong about something yet so confident, Anakin was created from the force because darth Plagus tried to create life using the force, the series is not over yet, and we have only seen the story from Osha and Mae's point of view, we have yet to see the story from the Jedi point of view, and myguess is they were sent there to kill the witches, unless you somehow think that little lamp Mae dropped caught an entire bunker on fire.....

[@toastyrules8221]

@@ev17dan Then let's take another angle of the 3rd episode. Disregarding everything Osha didn't perceive Mae still tried to kill atleast her. Why does Mae have positive feelings for Osha years after those events when she is on her own personal revenge quest to kill the Jedi allegedly responsible for the death of the coven. She isn't sorry or apologetic in the slightest, which would be the natural conclusion of Mae having guilt about setting Osha's surroundings aflame. Mae's flip-flopping is so absurd to the viewer at this point that it detracts from her character, same as her just letting Osha back on the planet alone in an freaking jungle is even detrimental to her own goal of staying reunited with her (unless she already decided she doesn't want to do that until later again) and requires meta knowledge of somebody will surely find and safe her. Why again would she do that when she does not know the outcome of the fight between the Jedi and Qimir? Almost all of her actions are not in character for the viewer at this point, all of them. Bonus point: Osha goes from not wanting to be further involved with capturing Mae to agreeing to go literally one scene later. Or how she directly shines her droid flashlight into the creatures and not a single one cares, but the instant Qimir has the disco droid ball on his back they are frenziedly attacking him, not to mention that not a single lightsaber attracted their attention. The show is mediocre at best objectively (not saying you can't find subjective enjoyment) and this is the worst thing you can do when you have all the money in the world. This tantamounts to the show being trash, which is in line with Kenobi, BoBF and the 3rd season of Mandalorian who all make the same error of underdelivering in an enviroment where they shouldn't.

[@ev17dan]

@Rhyciz Ki-adi stating the Sith have been extinct for a Melania, as he sits in a meeting with Palpatine, yea you have done some heavy lifting with that brain of yours

[@Jumper_11563]

the main thing that just kind of annoys me about Disney Star Wars is when they depict a lightsaber turning off and on, it is shown being so fast as if you are pulling a trigger on a blaster but when before it was always shown taking a second to retract and then ignite again.

[@servebotfrank4082]

Granted that was mostly cause of how the lightsaber effect worked back then. They had to hold the lightsaber out, then someone would run in from off screen and shove a giant pole into the lightsaber, run back out, and then they would splice that footage together. You couldn't really do this at the time.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Imagine training your whole life as a Jedi only to become a Kabob. 🍢🤣

[@TheBucknative]

Everyone knows the rules

[@ColonelStan]

Sith Kebab.

[@corruptangel6793]

That's sword fighting for you.

[@kylesawkon4074]

Pretty common 500 years ago

[@Cornholio1981]

More like a şis kebab lmao, kebabs are essentially made the same way as McDonalds burgers with the same goo-like substance but on the other hand a şis kebab are pieces of heavily marinated pieces of meat, on hot coals like a BBQ. I run a Döner kebab place called Ali Baba's and I hope I gave you some knowledge/lore on the world of Kebab making. Chicken döner kebab and chicken dürum kebab are much better quality these days. And than you've got chicken şis kebab that's grilled chickenbreast. Unless you marinate the beef yourself and make the kebab spinning rod freshly by yourself like this stranger did to the Jedi, freshly made instead of the frozen mcdo quality deliveries that other kebab joints get. *not an ad*.

[@drganknstein]

It appeared to be a short saber and he stabbed her 3 times. Indidnt see him turn it off and on 3 times but maybe i missed that?

[@Hgdhgfdssxvbbnjoo]

Your right. You didn’t miss anything. This is not “Trakata”

[@Juel92]

@@Hgdhgfdssxvbbnjoo Actually we don't know. It could be either.

[@Tacti_cat]

​@@HgdhgfdssxvbbnjooThis dude spends more time farming clips for YT rather than getting facts straight.

[@olwiz]

In short: Its a huge logical flaw that ever existed in star wars (because it makes too much sense of using it) and they came up with equally flawed explanations why its not used wich makes another dumb thing for when someone does. It would be the first thing id try but it becomes a named 'style' instead. Frankly canon couldve fixed it easier saying sabers have some cooldown- wich btw couldve been made cool like some saying similar to how katanas were meant to 'be drawn only to be bloodied'. Dont turn your saber on unless to really use it, dont turn it off until its finished...

[@ICLHStudio]

Until learning about the canon explanation (which is indeed pretty stupid), I always had the headcanon that, essentially, force users were usually constantly holding their lightsaber on with the force whilst trying to turn their opponent's off, and thus if you tried to pull something like this you run the risk of letting your foe hold the saber in an off state long enough that you miss your timing (this also ties in to how light sabers turn on at different speeds at different times throughout the movies, a force user can push the saber to extend faster when needed, but if they constantly have to do it against their opponent's powers, the risk and effort increases).

[@olwiz]

@@ICLHStudio Thats also pretty cool! Geez i wonder wtf the writers are on when they do things like that- and i dont mean current disney writers, it seems like an tradition with the ip. Said 'style' came up in the extended universe (books) in the past, George Lucas himself came up with midchlorians...

[@TimmyTinkle]

i think its cool because it shows that he isnt like the rest of the sith and shows that he doesnt care about how he wins just that he wins

[@dominicmabey3256]

Didn't kylo do that in last Jedi? Or is that different in some way?

[@jasondiend4248]

Kylo is a fallen Jedi so he won't follow the Jedi orders rules. Kylo also isn't a Sith so he isn't held to dogmatic beliefs. A technique is that based on a rule of school. Doing it randomly is a tactic. Kylo would be the most apt exmaple but i hardly remember that film. So yeah wasn't it with the red troopers guards. Rey throws the saber to him and he turns it off and on to kill one of them. That doesn't seem so much like a technique then a spur of a moment tactic adjustment. Plus was the saber ignited when it was thrown to him? God you're gonna make me watch that scene now. Okay I watched it. Kylo doesn't actually use that. Rey turns the lightsaber off and throws it to Kylo who ignites it into the guards face. Then he turns it off but the guards are dead. Though while I didn't want to watch that scene. I did catch something I never noticed before watching it. Kylo throws one of the guards into a hole and his body parts just spray out. I a good laugh at that shit.

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

@@jasondiend4248 That fight scene is like those pictures of "The longer you look at it, the worse it gets."

[@stryfer1989]

If it is indeed Trakata, I would've liked to see more of him switching his saber on and off in the one on one versus Sol, at least. The whole second saber thing barely justifies an actual use of the style or "getting into the head of the opponent". His Cortosis armor did that a lot more.

[@TheSilverSmitih]

Wait, so are you telling me that the lightsaber skit from Matthew McCleskey is canon?

[@blacksun6245]

Ripping off Legends again

[@lucass.martins1091]

Man, the death of Jecki was really, really cruel. being impalled by a lightsaber must feel the worst thing in the world. 3 times. and it wasn't even necessary. it was just for cruelty. this came from the same people that in kenobi turned LS into a plastic bat that bounces into people instead of cutting. wtf.

[@Jedi_With_Aesthetic]

I thought that was awesome. It’s one of my favorite lightsaber techniques although I did come up with a hypothetical move in my head that they have never used yet it involves a blaster and turning your lightsaber off before hitting another blade and quick drawing a blaster your opponent is gonna think they’re gonna block a strike, but no, they’re gonna get hit with a bunch of blaster bolts lol

[@corruptangel6793]

I hate the idea of it being called a style or form of combat. It's a tactic that anyone can use if an opportunity presents itself. It's literally just turning your lightsaber off and on at critical moments. Even the example given in Acolyte is just a tactic that anyone with 2 lightsaber could do. The idea it would be frowned on for any reason is asinine. Jedi don't fight for sport. Honor isn't a thing they would bother with, and they're not naive enough to worry about fighting fair. If a Jedi is forced to fight, they neutralize the threat as quickly and efficiently as possible. Sith, meanwhile, they do whatever they deem necessary to win. Only oddities among Jedi and Sith would complain about using such a basic tactic. The Jedi Path book even recommends it as a move Jedi Knights SHOULD study.

[@Juel92]

Agreed. Feels like they tried to fix a problem but did it in a horrible way (would have been way better if lightsabers just had a cooldown period for turning on and off).

[@Juel92]

"and sith for it's cowardice" Sith should be sneaky cowards when the chips are down. The idea that sith would eschew something useful and powerful because it's "cowardly" seems totally regarded.

[@GuilhermeEik]

I would like to propose the consideration that, even though the intention of the scene on the part of the creative team was to show Qimir using trakata with his shoto blade to kill Jecki, what the scene shows us, visually speaking, is not that, but the sith quickly thrust into her with a reverse grip. Now I know, pointing out such a tiny discrepancy like this may seem like a huge waste of effort and brain power, but we're Star Wars fans, so you understand the feeling. I recommend that after each observation, you watch the video again in slow motion to confirm my statements. First, let's notice that Qimir's left arm, which holds the blade used in the attack, makes very abrupt movements with each stab of the lightsaber. It is a movement that indicates traditional handling of the blade, where he retracts and pushes his arm quickly, because if we consider that he simply deactivated and reactivated the blade, he would merely need to reposition his fist with each thrust, which does not appear to have happened. Additionally, notice the way the sith positions each of his sabers. the longest in a horizontal block, protecting him from Jecki's attack while the second carries out the blow. Note that this positioning causes the light from the long saber to fall on the padawan's face and shoulders, while that of the shoto illuminates their torsos and the sleeves of her robe. The red light on her and Qimir's torso is never dimmed. The saber is not turned off. And finally, let's pay attention to the scene beats that make up this final part of the duel. There is the moment when Qimir steps back, detaches the shoto blade from his main saber and activates its blade (we can not only see the saber emission, but also hear its traditional activation sound). Jacki charges forward, screaming and preparing her blow. Qimir blocks her strike and immediately (note that there is no sound of deactivation) he stabs her 3 times. Sol screams. We move to a closeup of Jacki in her last moments of life. And then we see (and HEAR) HER saber deactivate. She falls, revealing the blade that went through her torso, still attached. These three observations indicate that what we are shown on screen is not a demonstration of the use of Trakata, but rather an intelligent and strategic use of a shoto saber, which with 3 quick thrusts killed a prodigious padawan learner. I know that the official Star Wars website ATTESTS that Qimir used Trakata in his fight against the Jedi. However, this is not what we can observe objectively in this scene. Perhaps the light is a result of using a practice saber during recording. Perhaps the light was not removed from the plate when it should have accompanied the supposed deactivation and reactivation of the saber. Perhaps the extended movement of Qimir's arm is the result of the actor's involuntary action, who was not aware of the details of how the scene would take place. Anyway, this is what I have to point out. Thanks for listening.

[@Alex-hd3gq]

This episode was so cool I know this show gets a lot of hate for valid reasons but man does it have cool fight scenes

[@Floaydi]

That's a pretty cool fighting style imo, just takes advantage of the naives and the proud.

[@afropunkx]

Was too busy seeing that force users can be thrown around inconsistently.. and that a Padawan can hold off a sith more effectively than a Jedi master and knights. This show is a mess and takes away from neat little things like this video is showing.

[@merlinho0t]

Honestly I was all for it, that whole fight was actually really cool and one of the only scenes I enjoyed from the show so far. It’s definitely way better than the fights and choreography of the sequels.

[@IRN_ShockViper_-lm8ow]

That’s crazy you assume acolyte is canon

[@blackjack087]

Is it just me or what he does is just stabbing her 3 times, and not doing any on-off trick? You can clearly see his shoulder moving while he moves the short sword.

[@mrafk5658]

I mean its not has controversial has the disapearing dagger from Star wars 8.

[@andyinthebasment7394]

isn't Fallen Order canon? Cal does it against Trilla in the vault on Bogano?

[@ImAFatNerd90]

“Darth Vader uses it against Luke in Revenge of the Sith.” Return of the Jedi*

[@annunak_from_the_planet_Nibiru]

It was The Empire Strikes Back, actually 🤓☝️

[@markcochrane9523]

Bro is slipping.

[@Carribla]

One of the dumbest things in stat wars. Like please just come up with a better reason than "its dishonorable" Make it IMPOSSIBLE. not just that people dont want to do, but that its extremely hard to do or something. Similar problems as the force pull/push. Sometimes they do it and then other times its all of a sudden bot an option, just like in this fight. Make it so we KNOW why it cant be used right now. SHOW us the other guy opposing it. It doesn't have to be as dramatic as the rots end fight force push where they cancled out, but at least make an effort. Show just one guy tey to do it and it fails so we understand why they aren't just constantly doing it.

[@Juel92]

They should just have given the lightsabers a cooldown to avoid this problem. Unfortunately they didn't.

[@WiseSnake]

I want to see more of the trakata style. It can look really good in the hands of capable choreographers and effects artists. But it can also look clunky and predicable if not planned out properly. I'm of the opinion that it was used in this scene, and I think they utilized it very well.

[@yxra7580]

Everything disney does is not canon...

[@ineedanewname5716]

I can't deny that i like it when the sith fight dirty like that tho

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

1:00 So now, Vader fought infant Luke in Revenge of the Sith?

[@ravenlorque3234]

Being in a galactic war for decades, coming up with vile techniques of greed and deception. Even slaughtering children, yet using the Trakata technique is like considered to be the biggest sin of hell that both sides won’t even use because it’s ✌🏼dishonorable✌🏼? Writers could have come up with a better reason why it’s rarely used like it could damage the lightsaber.

[@chrishechtl8330]

Incorrect. It was used in Last Jedi as well as in Rise of Skywalker and yes, Ahsoka. Quite possibly in Rebels too though my memory is foggy there.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

But to be fiar it's highly risky as sabers have a slow on off cycle so instead of being like a bayonate it's more like trowing you magazine at the opnet then shoting it.

[@adriankuban2904]

Acolite episode 5 is the best star wars thing I have ever seen. These fights and choreography surpassed both the Phantom Menace movie and the clone wars episode.

[@glens2019]

Absolutely not. It has all the tropes of Hollywood sword fighting (e.g. useless spinning, punching instead of slashing, etc.)

[@adriankuban2904]

@@glens2019 In many ways, I am a critic of many fantasy/sci-fi, comic=superheroes,... cinema graphic projects, book games or music materials. Like some MCU series shouldn't copy their comic book adaptation #She-hulk & Ms Marvel was weaker but I liked it, I liked both Capitan Marvel movies my favorite feminist retrained by the racist Kree race; DC movies and series speak for themselves, what quality are #??Justice League, Batman and Robin, Blue battle, Suicide squad 1?? The problem with Star Wars is that many directors/screenwriters/actors, for whom SW projects were made, will not be there in the end. #Rouge Squadrons, series Rangers of the New Republic where Gina Carano was supposed to be; movie by Taika Waititi, Kevin Feige; trilogy by Rian Johnson,... Projects like Book of Boba fett and Kenobi were originally supposed to be movies, there was even supposed to be a sequel to the Solo movie with Darth Maul. But it is necessary to show people, especially from the Toxic SW community, where their place is. The toxic community of Star Wars fans drove the same Jar Jar Binks almost to suicide, luckily he didn't, and then we could see him in Jedi Challenge and Mandalorian season 3. Due to the fact that mentally he could no longer handle this toxicity. The actor who played the young Anakin, Jake Lloyd, also had to drop out of school because they were poisonous to him and psychologically and emotionally destroyed his entire life that was just beginning. And after the prequel trilogies, George Lucas couldn't do it alone any more and decided to be with his family instead. Fans constantly told him, wrote and threatened him that he himself literally does not know how to make Star Wars. It was you! This community that hates Toxic Star Wars, who forced him to sell the rights to Disney. I talked. And for anyone who doesn't like the 7,8,9 trilogy, I will reveal that there are three other worst movies that should never have been made, Holiday Special, Caravan of Courage: The Ewok Adventure, and Ewoks: Battle of Endor. So I will tell you that the new trilogy turned out much better than it seems, but that's my opinion anyway, we know that everything will work out in time. And the films themselves are good. Because Star Wars is our childhood, our adolescence, our love, our feelings, our life forever.

[@AdamsApples]

Why?! Its an easy way to get your opponent off balance, so that you can destroy them, And it's also really funny

[@adamkaangambrill]

Both the Jedi and Sith are stupid.

[@baki484]

Trakata was used by Cal kestis in bogano against the 2nd sister or whenever he uses the switch and split saber combo, the bedlum raider lieutenants with saber staffs also use the style on Cal.

[@MrJGamer]

Hmm... I thought he simply stabbed her with the short saber three times, rather than turn it off and on again, seemed like a reasonable move, and a lot faster than turning it off and on tbh.

[@addictedtochocolate920]

In HEMA/Kenjutsu (real life sword fighting) there's one paramount rule: if it's practical, if it works, use it. We're talking about a fight to the death here. Not taking advantage of your resources is not "Honor"; that's a Hollywood invention. Being able to shorten your blade or disengage at grappling distance would be quite useful in an armed duel, as demonstrated by Visions. I'd be way more pissed off by all those force users reverse gripping their sabers.

[@rrwholloway]

Nothing Disney has done to Star Wars is canon.

[@EwingAmaterasu]

Reminds me of how different are the old Sith compared to the Rule of Two Sith. It’s founder, Darth Bane, once fought another Sith called Qordis. Bane was far more powerful, and Qordis knew it, so he decided to challenge Bane to a lightsaber duel. I don’t remember the exact words he used, but he told Bane something like: “at least allow me to die with honor”. Bane then used his force powers to crush his body, and concluded that Honor was a shield the weak used to slow down the strong. Makes sense that the Sith Lords that followed valued manipulation, deception and cunning: culminating in Darth Sidious as we all know.

[@CarrotKing269]

realistically trakata is just a stupid method either way, that would only really work against people who have genuinely no clue what they're doing, and even then it'd be unlikely. when someone goes in to attack you, turning off your defense and letting them get through it would result only in your death. Maybe you'd get them as well, but at best it'd be a trade off. And you can't even argue the point of just aiming for the blade, because there is objectively zero real reason to do that. The actually effectiveness of trakata is only considered a possibility because of the way the choreography is made in star wars shows, but it's not actually a realistic technic, or even a good one at that.

[@titanlegends5646]

While this does sound kind of useful, when you think about some of the people we have seen fighting with a saber, turning off your blade seems like a death sentence, as faster opponents like Yoda and Anakin would turn you into mince meat as soon as you lose the defense.

[@dustpanman2998]

I highly recommend playing Jedi: Fallen Order since you clearly haven't played it. It's a very good canon Star Wars game. And the protagonist at one point uses my favorite lightsaber technique/style.

[@yunsha9986]

With the force, you can even switch on and off your enemy's lightsaber. Darth Vader does it in the game against Cal. Of course at that time Vader only does it after Cal dropped his lightsaber, but it should be possible even if the person is grabbing on to it, as I doubt their attention is on the switch part. Nevertheless, the Sith do find it a sign of weakness to do this in combat, hence why no one truly has this combat style (Vader only did it because it wasn't even in Cal's possession at the time and this wasn't even a fight, just Cal running away)

[@pinny0101]

It’s not new to canon, the double blade bedlam raider lieutenants from Jedi Survivor also use Trakata, and much more obviously than this guy.

[@PerfectPlans]

Disney will never be canon to me. Well maybe except Rouge One and Andor

[@firebird4909]

Who ever had the idea that turning off your light saber would in some way unbalance the enemy is either dreaming or never held a sword.

[@Mythical.History]

Ngl even though the writing and agenda of this show is bad, the fight scenes were great

[@darthachref6195]

0:59 And they go so hard on the Acolyte actor, at least he didn't know star wars

[@jasondiend4248]

He's not a fan doesn't know his shit tried to say something got it wrong. Well he's not a fan so fucking what. I'm so tired of this people need toknow no no they fucking don't they don't need to know shit. If the story is good it's good if it is bad it's bad. That simple. Andor was made by someone who doesn't even like Star Wars and it was good.

[@mrafk5658]

@@jasondiend4248 Well you are right, a good actor can know nothing about the universe he plays in, but if he doesnt know he should have learn to shut up.

[@silverbubble1037]

@@mrafk5658 perhaps i mean the other actors gave him a weird look, but in all seriousness it seems he did watch star wars, it seems he confused a lucrehulk for the death star

[@nickm1242]

@@jasondiend4248 Him not being a fan and being unfamiliar is fine. The problem was him trying to come off as "deep" and pretending to know far more than he actually did and when someone does that, then they deserved to be called out on it. Also it's not hard to at the very least look up the synopsis of stuff of wikipedia if you want to do that to at least get the facts of the main plot points.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

Eck addresses this in the top comment. You really think Eck doesn’t know?

[@godleftelmo7710]

Bruh star wars is dead.

[@Nephalem2002]

THEY BROUGHT BACK TRAKATA?!

[@edrrrk]

Tbh true, but the first stab probably already killed her. He was just being extra with the 2nd and 3rd ones

[@kareemabduljabar9688]

Dooku used it. He specially made his lightsaber to change lengths with a switch.

[@spacejesus8856]

Damn. Going shill removes any care of product quality & lore detail. “You’re bigot for being bothered by it. Shut up and consume product.”

[@PhantomHarley]

I’m personally all for characters having a fluid interpretation on what fair fighting is, especially if they’re a villain. I always regarded Maul’s hilt bash on Qui-Gon to be a dirty move, but perfectly in character. If Dooku had done it, it wouldn’t feel right because he’s more of a gentleman duelist, but meanwhile Grievous is a notorious cheater. Vader may not cheat, but I’d hardly call him sporting, and there’s nothing really “fair” about Kylo Ren’s little cross guard.

[@LightingbladeShen]

Jedi: "unsportsmanlike, you brought shame to your honor" Real Sith: "You are a weak, pathetic coward with no power. Pathetic"

[@akkere4052]

"Likely just him trying to get into his head to make him unfocused in battle instead of actual psychological warfare" But... getting in someone's head to make them less effective is the direct definition of psychological warfare.

[@mikonyx7712]

Duelist X: Succh dishonorable tactics! Duelist Y: Dishonor doesn't mean much when being preached by the dead now, does it?

[@phantomwraith1984]

Sith: "its cowardice!" Jedi: "its dishonorable!" People using this tactic: "no prize for second place."

[@TalonAshlar]

really they should just retcon to have the saber emit a invisible plasma residue for a brief time after the saber is deactivated.

[@thesunsson8836]

I’ve been REALLY wanting to see more of this style used in media, glad it’s happening! Too bad it’s in a… less than reputable show.

[@mrSlippinidiot]

Im calling it rn, George Lucas will return and say “Im going to retcon everything you made kathleen, im George Lucas with George Lucas money and theres nothin you can do about it.” Then he grabs a Handful of her face an force throws her threw three walls.

[@ivorytorea]

In this instance it´s not even the show being bad (for once), infact its a good explanation in my mind for why they are struggling so much in a 983 vs 1 fight or whatever...no, in this instance it is probably either the star wars lore being...not perfect. Or it is the fans mistranslating the lore. So, if it is the former, then it would be the equivalent to "oh no, they are getting in my head with putting their weapon away" which is just simply not a thing that puts you off balance but instead just gives you a free advantage and in this case it would just be a lorepiece in which Jedi are just simply not great fighters because their honor codes and practices are so restrictive that being given an advantage for free in a fight would be met with confusion, so much so that the Jedi hurts themselves in the confusion. Or if it is the latter, it is something of note for the characters to say, something that irritates them, but in the end is not a big deal in a real fight, which this obviously is, and it is much more that it is considered bad manners in a competition or fight between honourable Jedi where they make rules for themselves. So obviously in an actual fight they might be irritated by it and say it out loud simply to express that they don´t have to hope for a fair fight. And on the meta plane, it probably is just simply a quick throwaway line from a lore weakness they throw in to justify and otherwise ridiculous fight in which a Sith would stand a chance in an open confrontation with so many trained opponents, so they are just layering extra thicc plot armor on him (look he´s using special tech, look he surprises them, look he uses forbidden techniques etc.) which is honestly a smart move to simply cover their bases...but simple case and point, it looks cool and gives people something to talk about, when in reality it makes little sense to deactivate ones weapon midfight, risk it all in a fight against multiple opponents to hopefully get one surprise attack off. Or stab someone multiple times when a simple slice would have done a much better job in a shorter amount of time. So in short, the fighting style is bad, but for all the faults this show has, for once it is using other bad or confusing writing to its advantage and I guess I gotta give it credit for that. I guess I could argue that there would have been much better things to use, like him obviously having the advantage of knowledge of the area, or making use of his poisons...I mean maybe he did...or maybe we just needed Osha to do something for once and it would have clashed with that, so instead they opted for this technique. Maybe they just wanted to namedrop that Siths get inside the Jedis minds. So for all that I care, I think it´s fine from the show but a stupid showoff technique by itself and I would have much rather we saw more actual fight choreography in front of trees rather than behind them and actually showing that he simply is the better fighter because of tactical advantage, ruthless style and combined fighting techniques with his lightsaber and the use of the force, instead of making the Jedi look weaker than they have any right to be as enforcerers of laws and justice even in a time of peace.

[@kingstonmclean4205]

Idk maybe Dartb Vader was just that powerful but why does no sith use the force to lift one up and snap they’re neck right quick but I guess for plot can’t have the characters doing too much OP things

[@ChosenOne-il4bm]

Why do fans keep calling Star Wars Disney People do know that Disney owns Alien and the omen Is the First Omen, Disney Omen Is Alien, Disney Alien makes no sense.

[@tylerblock3377]

The idea of Trakata was created because enough fans said it was an obvious style that force wielders should use and Star Wars panicked and needed a solution as to why it wasnt used. Problem is, its not a legitimate fighting style and qould in no way benefit the user. Name a form of combat in which you benefit from temporarily not having a weapon? It just doesnt work like that.

[@uzumaki7535]

There is something I do wonder. I really don't understand the move mostly because if a lightsaber is powered through the crystal and resonates with the Force-user - wouldn't that technically break off their mental and physical connection for a short moment before reigniting it?

[@retrogamingtime2812]

I know it’s a move that fans question why we don’t see more of But making it canon seems silly too When you’re in a sword fight, you’re not trying to hit their blade, you’re trying to hit them. So turning off your lightsaber would put you at a huge disadvantage unless you have plot armor of course. Tho I’ll be devil’s advocate when I say the character splitting the blade, using one for defense and the other as more or less a short range firearm is a pretty solid way to go about it if you did.